Jewish Guest Responds To Wild Holocaust Claims Live I DSH #1883

Summary

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Digital Social Hour #1883 Jewish Guest Responds To Wild Holocaust Claims Live

Podcast Date: March 21, 2026
Host: Sean Kelly
Guests: Brian Shapiro (Jewish media host), Kenny Co (provocative social commentator)

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Episode Overview

In a bold, unfiltered debate, host Sean Kelly brings together Brian Shapiro and Kenny Co—two previous guests known for their sharp, opposing perspectives. The episode centers on Holocaust denial, anti-Semitism, the Israel-Palestine conflict, conspiracy theories (including 9/11 and the Epstein case), and the boundaries of free speech. The intent is a frank exploration of controversial claims, pushing both guests to clarify their stances and challenge one another directly.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Holocaust Denial, Evidence, and Memory

• Opening Confrontation: Social Media Provocation

  • Brian challenges Kenny about comparing Jews to "cancer" online. Kenny concedes provocation helps his reach but claims not to generalize about Jews.
    • Brian: “Why compare Jews to cancer, which is a disease that kills a lot of people?” (00:00)
    • Kenny: “Statements online…can be more provocative or captivating to lead to a greater reach.” (02:14)

• Holocaust Numbers and Denial

  • Kenny argues the death toll is exaggerated (“not anywhere close to 6 million”), offering alternative numbers as low as 100,000 or 300,000 (00:03, 25:26). He disputes evidence of gas chambers, referencing supposed lack of physical remains and historical documents.
    • Kenny: “I don't think there's anywhere close to 6 million like they portray that number.” (25:19)
    • Kenny: “Do you believe any Jew was actually gassed in World War II?” (26:21)
    • Brian: “There’s history and, and witness testimony…thousands of people…have talked about it.” (26:28)

• Nature of Holocaust Atrocities

  • Kenny distinguishes between murder, starvation, and malnutrition, blaming some deaths on Allied disruptions of supply.
    • Kenny: “But mostly of typhus or malnutrition…because we cut off supply chains supplying the camps.” (86:49)
    • Brian: “Tying people up and putting them in these rooms…not getting food and water. And you don’t blame Germans for that?” (89:12)

• Historicity and Witness Testimony

  • Brian points to overwhelming historical record, survivor accounts, and remaining concentration camps.
    • Brian: “There are concentration camps all over where you can go…Some people that were actually at those camps, a lot…are dead now.” (87:14)
    • Brian: “We’ve heard Adolf Hitler’s rhetoric. We have seen video evidence. I think there’s…certainly enough evidence…” (87:46)
    • Kenny questions the validity of witness testimony and material evidence when it doesn’t fit with his view (87:08).

Criticism of Israel vs. Anti-Semitism

• Drawing the Line

  • Both agree: criticizing the Israeli government is not inherently anti-Semitic; generalizing about all Jews is bigotry.
    • Brian: “There’s a difference between criticizing Jewish people and criticizing Israeli government. Those are two completely different things.” (17:06)
    • Brian: “Criticizing the Israeli government is not anti-Semitic at all.” (17:27)

• Danger of Generalizations

  • Brian: Generalizing (“the Jews”) is harmful and reminiscent of rhetoric promoting hate towards other groups.
    • Brian: “I just don’t like generalizing people and calling them ‘the Jews’ or ‘the whites’…I just. I don’t like generalizing.” (04:18)
  • Kenny: Argues some “pulling the strings” in global events are overwhelmingly of one group, pushes “Jewish supremacy” narrative. (06:13, 08:35)

• Anti-Semitism in Modern Discourse

  • Brian links recent surges in anti-Semitism to online radicalization, referencing personalities like Kanye West, Nick Fuentes, and Myron Gaines. (21:08, 21:19)
    • Brian: “There are more people like that now that are comfortable enough in their bigotry to just go up to random people instead of having conversations like this.” (21:02)

Israel, Zionism, and Middle East Conflict

• Personal Views on Israel

  • Brian is critical of Netanyahu and Israeli policy, identifies himself as anti-Zionist, and would support a two-state solution.
    • Brian: “There are millions of Muslims that live [in Israel]…There’s a lot of Israeli people that want Netanyahu out the door…I believe he’s a dictator.” (13:30)
    • Brian: “I do believe Israel should exist…but I am anti-Israeli government.” (13:30)

• Gaza and ‘Genocide’

  • Kenny claims “slow genocide,” Brian refuses the label, saying if Israel intended extermination, millions of Muslims would not live in Israel.
    • Kenny: “I think it’s like a slow genocide to not cause too much attention…” (15:47)
    • Brian: “If they want to get rid of an entire group of people, why do they let millions of Muslims live in Israel?” (15:55)

• U.S.-Israel Relations

  • Both criticize the level of U.S. aid/influence (“have just about had enough of Benjamin Netanyahu” [80:30])
  • Brian: “So long as Netanyahu is in power, I would probably…say no right now. [Israel] should not be our allies.” (80:30)

Conspiracies: 9/11, Epstein, Media

• Epstein, Blackmail and Israeli Influence

  • Speculation on Epstein as an intelligence asset; Brian remains skeptical.
    • Kenny: “I feel like [Epstein’s kompromat] is a vice to hold politicians…to act in the best interest of Israel.” (12:56)
    • Brian: “I think money is certainly a factor. I’m not so sure that that pedophile protecting is a part of it.” (13:13)

• 9/11 and ‘Jewish Influence’

  • Kenny alleges Israeli involvement in 9/11; Brian demands evidence, affirms responsibility of Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden.
    • Kenny: “I think that was Israeli based influence to help rally the American people to fight a war on behalf of Israel against Iraq.” (56:03)
    • Brian: “I certainly don’t think that the Israeli government was behind 9/11. I believe Muhammad Atta…and…terrorists were responsible.” (53:33)

• Media, Social Censorship, and Free Speech

  • Kenny laments deplatforming for anti-Semitic content (“all my platforms canceled” [33:34]), argues Muslims would not be so protected; Brian equates bigoted speech about any religion.
    • Brian: “Whether you compare Muslims to cancer or Jews to cancer, I think it’s wrong. I think it’s wrong to compare any religion to a disease…” (33:54)

The Role of Social Media and Radicalization

• Profit, Provocation, and Extremism

  • Agreement that online outrage is monetized. Brian describes how provocateurs (Kanye West, Myron Gaines, Nick Fuentes, Candace Owens) attract followings and dollars.
    • Brian: “The more crazy racist and anti-semitic things I say, the more money I’m gonna make.” (43:56)
    • Kenny: “People are starting to…realize that maybe we’ve been lied to about…scenarios and they all point in one direction.” (72:21)
    • Brian: “If you hear Nick Fuentes everyday…blaming Jews for all problems, people are going to become radicalized…” (73:34)

• On Social Media Censorship

  • Brian: Platforms are private, not required to permit hate speech.
    • Brian: “These are private companies, so it’s a privilege, not a right to be on [them].” (35:04)
  • Kenny: “Freedom of speech in general—being able to say what you want without repercussions.” (35:14)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Holocaust Denial:

  • Brian Shapiro: “If somebody disagrees with [Hitler being evil and murderous]…then I can’t take that person seriously.” (24:52)
  • Kenny Co: “I don’t believe that there was a single Jew gassed in World War II.” (88:50)

• Personal Boundaries & Experiences with Hate:

  • Brian Shapiro: “When you call somebody [a slur], you’re taking an entire group of people and you’re saying ‘you’re this’…I think that’s wrong.” (40:01)
  • Brian Shapiro on antisemitism surge: “There are more people like that now that are comfortable enough in their bigotry to just go up to random people instead of having conversations like this.” (21:02)

• On American Political Landscape:

  • Brian Shapiro: “The two worst words in this country are Republican and Democrat because they both do what’s best for their party and not what’s best for their country.” (41:32)

• On Free Speech & Social Media:

  • Brian Shapiro: “Yes, you have the right to say it. You do have some freedom of speech. But I can guarantee you that…you could lose your job for that.” (35:17)

• On Danger of Provocateurs:

  • Brian Shapiro: “If I’m nice on the air, nobody’s probably listening to me…but I don’t think you have to call people slurs to make a living.” (44:18)

• On U.S.-Israel Alliance:

  • Brian Shapiro: “It pains me to say this…but as long as Benjamin Netanyahu is in power, I would say, no…they should not be our allies.” (80:30)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Opening: Holocaust denial & introduction (00:00–03:21)
• Provocation, hatred, and generalization (04:10–06:13)
• Debate over Israel/Palestine, Netanyahu, anti-Zionism (07:00–14:20)
• Conspiracies: Epstein, 9/11, Israeli influence (12:56, 53:08–61:12)
• Social media, free speech, radicalization (33:34–40:09)
• Discussion of antisemitism rise, bigotry, and trolling (18:40–21:24)
• Comparisons: Nazis, Jews, communism, and media (32:11–33:34)
• Final questions: Should America support Israel? (80:13–81:29)
• Concluding disagreement on Holocaust narrative & evidence (86:29–95:40)

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Episode Tone and Style

• Brian Shapiro is direct, passionate, and often frustrated by denial or revisionism, but insists repeatedly on distinguishing between criticizing Israel’s government and bigotry against Jews overall. He is aggressive but equally critical of both left and right political extremes.
• Kenny Co persistently questions mainstream narratives, invoking popular conspiracies and revisionist history, often in a provocative, detached, or cavalier tone.
• Sean Kelly maintains a mostly neutral, hands-off moderation style, occasionally prompting for clarification or moving the discussion along.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• The conversation highlights the perils of Holocaust denial, the necessity of evidence in historical debate, and the toxic consequences of online generalization and hate.
• The guests’ sharp disagreement demonstrates today’s deep divides on matters of history, geopolitics, and free speech.
• Important distinctions are made between legitimate political criticism and blanket bigotry, reinforcing the need for careful, precise language—even (or especially) in confrontational settings.
• The rising influence of provocative online personalities—and the monetization of outrage—are exposed as dangerous social trends with far-reaching effects.

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For those who haven’t listened:
This episode stands as a high-octane, sometimes uncomfortable but undeniably important exchange—a rare, honest reckoning with some of the most dangerous ideas and divisive controversies circulating today. It makes clear the importance of evidence, the necessity of distinguishing activism from bigotry, and the continued need for open but responsible debate.

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Transcript

[Brian Shapiro]

Why compare Jews to cancer, which is a disease that kills a lot of people?

[Kenny Co]

I don't think there's anywhere close to 6 million I could portray that number.

[Brian Shapiro]

So let's just say that.

[Kenny Co]

Hundred thousand.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know how I would categorize you. Are you a Holocaust denier?

[Host]

Okay, guys, got two previous guests on the show today. We're gonna have a little friendly conversation slash debate. We'll see how it goes. Kenny Co and Brian Shapiro. Thanks for joining us, gentlemen.

[Brian Shapiro]

You bet.

[Host]

Got a lot to talk about today. A lot going on lately in politics. Right?

[Kenny Co]

Yeah, this should be a fun one.

[Host]

And Venezuela stuff, the ICE stuff. I don't even know where to start.

[Kenny Co]

I mean, we got Nazi Jew. What? This is a recipe for a great podcast.

[Brian Shapiro]

Do people call you that a lot?

[Kenny Co]

A Nazi?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Kenny Co]

Oh, for sure. Anti Semite, probably the most popular one.

[Brian Shapiro]

Why do you think?

[Kenny Co]

I also don't. I feel people throw that word around without really knowing what it means.

[Brian Shapiro]

Can we get this out of the way first? Let's just get this out of the way first.

[Kenny Co]

I could tell it's on starting hot right out. Well.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, because I don't know you very well. Right, right. And I just went on your social media yesterday and let me. Let me ask you this. I think there's a difference between criticizing the Israeli government, which, by the way, I do all the time, and I'm not a Benjamin Netanyahu fan, and then just saying all Jews are blank. So which are you? Are you someone that just hates all people because they're Jewish, or are you like me in a sense that you're very critical of the Israeli government or somewhere in between?

[Kenny Co]

I'd say I'm more so leaning in the direction of critical of the Zionist movement.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay.

[Kenny Co]

I don't know if you're a Zionist yourself.

[Brian Shapiro]

No. I mean, no, not at all. I'm very much against the Israeli government, so. So if I. If I tell you, hey, this person's Jewish, you don't make immediate judgments about them?

[Kenny Co]

No.

[Brian Shapiro]

So why make a statement then on social media comparing Jews to cancer then if you don't, which I appreciate the fact that you don't generalize all Jewish people. That's good. I'm very glad to hear that. Then why are you doing that? Just for clicks. Are you doing that to be provocative? Why. Why say, why compare Jews to cancer, which is a disease that kills a lot of people? That's my question. Then why do that? If you don't generalize all Jewish people as blah, blah, blah, Blah. Because I don't do that with any group of people, even Trump supporters. And I think we both agree on that. We're both not Trump supporters.

[Kenny Co]

Correct.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you don't hate all Jewish people. Then why compare them to cancer, I guess is my question.

[Kenny Co]

I get what you mean. I mean, of course, statements online and whatnot can be more provocative or captivating to lead to a greater reach.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay.

[Kenny Co]

Because, for instance, I mean, there was over 150,000 people fighting in, you know, the Nazi regime under Hitler. Obviously, he didn't hate all Jews like what was portrayed in the media, but

[Brian Shapiro]

he did kill a lot of innocent people. We could agree on that. He killed a lot of innocent people. Adolf Hitler.

[Kenny Co]

Well, so what. What I should ask you is, do you believe that 6 million actually died in the Holocaust?

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't have an exact number. I wasn't there. But what I do know is that Adolf Hitler was an evil, murderous dictator who's responsible for killing a lot of innocent people. And I would never say anything nice about Adolf Hitler. I would never praise Adol Hitler for the sense of Jeffrey Dahmer, who killed 20 or 30 people just because he worked at a soup kitchen. I think. I don't think either of us would sit here and say, Jeffrey Dahmer, he was a great guy. I think it's despicable if anybody praises Adolf Hitler in any way, shape or form, whether he killed 6 million Jews or 2 million Jews or 8 million Jews, he killed a lot of innocent people. He was an evil, murderous dictator, and that's what he should be. That's the way, in my opinion, he should be looked at in history.

[Kenny Co]

But, so why is there such a great focus on Hitler and the Nazi regime, but not the other millions of people that died that were both American, British, in what war?

[Brian Shapiro]

Which. What are you referring to? I think any evil dictator who kills a bunch of innocent people should be called out for that. And you won't hear me praising anybody who's responsible for it. So for my take is, instead of, what about, as a level, what about this war? What about this? There's a lot of evil, murderous dictators in the world in our past, present, and probably future. They're all horrible people, but I don't praise them. You know, and. And when I see somebody like a Nick Fuentes or others who say, you know what, that Hitler guy, he did some pretty good things, I just think it's. It's fucking despicable. I think it's despicable for anybody to praise a man who's responsible for millions of murders, whether that's 2 million or 6 million. I don't even like to get into those conversations. But.

[Kenny Co]

So why do you believe that he's an evil person?

[Brian Shapiro]

Because he's responsible for killing a lot of innocent people. I think anybody.

[Kenny Co]

Jews not equally as responsible. Okay, so previous events.

[Brian Shapiro]

So when you say the Jews, let's

[Kenny Co]

just say, like the Holocaust, what they say. Right? Let's say.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, but when you say the Jews, that's where I have. You need to be specific. As I've said, like, I believe Benjamin Netanyahu has committed war crimes. Do I think Benjamin Netanyahu is. Is responsible for killing 6 or 7 million people? No, I don't. But he's. But he's probably responsible for killing a lot of people. It's why I'm very anti Israeli government. But I wouldn't say the Jews, just like I wouldn't say the whites. When I saw what happened on January 6, where 1500 people stormed the Capitol and half of them committed violent crimes, I wouldn't say all white Trump supporters did that. I don't like to general people because I think generalizing people and calling them the Jews or you're putting everybody in one category or the blacks or the this, I just. I don't like generalizing. If you're a bad person and you're an evil, murderous dictator, that's what you are. And we should call out everybody. And I'm totally okay with that. And being fair, Adolf Hitler was responsible for killing a lot of innocent people, people that were Polish, people that were Jewish. He killed a lot of people. And I certainly would never say anything nice about Adolf Hitler, or if somebody said that Adolf Hitler's a murderer, I wouldn't immediately say, yeah, but what about those Jews? You know, if you have a specific example you want to give me, then sure, I'm glad to talk about it. But I'm glad to know that you don't generalize all Jewish people as bad people. Because I'm Jewish, even though I'm not religious. And by the way, I don't get along with a lot of religious people. I've probably been in church more than synagogue. I'm not a big religious person. I do believe in God, but I try really hard not to, you know, generalize people. So. So what I'm getting from you is, no, you don't hate all Jewish people.

[Kenny Co]

Correct.

[Brian Shapiro]

You do say some provocative things on social media. Right. To get. Okay, fair. I might not agree with some of the things you say. But at least I'm glad to hear that you don't generalize an entire group of people. Because when you say the Jews.

[Kenny Co]

Okay, so my question, though, for you, let's say they're the people that are pulling the strings for some movement. They are all, regardless if it's Christian, Muslim, Jewish, whatever it may be, if everyone in that group is of that religion or of that movement, wouldn't you say it's that group of people that are pulling the strings for that?

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, so give me an example. What do you mean by pulling the strings? Like, give me an example of what's going on right now. Because I talk about the news every day, and then I'll give you my opinion on how I feel about it. Like, give me an example.

[Kenny Co]

Okay, so are you familiar with the Bolshevik revolution? No. At all?

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I'm not. Talk to me about Israel. Talk. You know, a lot of Israelis are very anti Benjamin Netanyahu as well. You're aware of that, right? Okay, good. Yeah, there's a lot of people that don't like what's going on in Israel. You would also agree with me that Hamas is also a terrorist group. You would agree with that?

[Kenny Co]

I would say was created by the U.S. but yes.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, well, regardless of who created them, they've done some horrible things as well. And my opinion is, and I think we'll agree with whether you're an innocent Palestinian child or whether you're an innocent Israeli child, innocent people dying is horrible. We both don't want to. Okay, good. So we fundamentally agree there. We don't want to see innocent people to die. I don't agree with Netanyahu. I also don't agree with a lot of things Donald Trump has done in coddling to the Israeli government and bombing Iran. It's one of the reasons why we went to war in Iraq is because of Israeli intelligence. But what I don't like and what I lose a lot of respect for are the people. And I've talked to Jake Shields about this. I've had private conversations with him. I've never talked to Nick Fuentes. But when people generalize an entire group of, say, those Jews, they're all bad. I know you're saying you don't feel that way, but when people take that, you know, and I think that's. That rhetoric is extremely dangerous because not all anybody are bad. Right. And. And I think that that's, that's. It's dangerous rhetoric, whether it be on social media. You know, the stuff that Myron Gaines does. I've had goings with him. I just think when you, when you just categorize an entire group of people, and I'm not saying you do this, but I just think it's extremely ignor and that's what bothers me. No matter what you're talking about Jews or Islam, look at the hate against Islam. There are Republicans in this country that think if you're Islam, you should all be deported. The Lord loomers over the world. Ridiculous. Not every Islamic person is a terrorist. Not every person of the Islam faith was responsible for 9 11. Right. There's a small percentage of people that are Islam that are. Yeah, sure, they're bad people.

[Kenny Co]

Do you believe that Jewish supremacy though, is the one that's pulling the strings for these conflicts?

[Brian Shapiro]

Which conflict?

[Kenny Co]

For instance, the Muslim one that you just mentioned, your hatred towards Muslims and wanting to remove Muslims.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I would say that the hatred is probably equally as bad on the other side too. I mean, there are Muslims that are raised at a very young age to hate all Jewish people. And this is not something new. This is something that's gone on in the Middle east for decades and decades and decades. I would say. Benji, why don't you, you know, come to America? Aren't there indictments for him, by the way?

[Kenny Co]

Yeah, he's wanted a lot of places.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. He's what? Yeah, it's funny how we take up.

[Kenny Co]

We're gonna, we're an ally for that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Don't you find it interesting factor that

[Kenny Co]

he's wanted for these horrific crimes?

[Brian Shapiro]

Don't you find it interesting that there's indictments for the president of Venezuela and Donald Trump goes after him and kidnaps a president and we steal his oil, but yet there's indictments for Benjamin Netanyahu, there's warrants for Vladimir Putin, and we roll up the red carpet for Vladimir Putin. I just find that, I find that very interesting, that's all. And I think it's a very dangerous precedent.

[Kenny Co]

So do you think that Trump is corrupt in that regard?

[Brian Shapiro]

I think he's corrupt in every regard. The billion dollar crypto scandal. I believe he's corrupt from a standpoint of steal. That's why we went into vet as well. This was about money. You think he cares about a, you think he cares about a drug lord? He just pardoned the guy last month, the former president who brought in 400 tons of cocaine. So I mean, yeah, I think he's corrupt in every way, shape or form. And I have, I mean, I just think he. You want to talk about a Despicable person. I'm not going to compare him to Adolf Hitler, but I do believe Stephen Miller and, and some disrespect Hitler. Well, I'll tell you this. I think some people in his administration use the same verbiage and I think what we're seeing with ICE in Minneapolis is, is. Is fascist fascism. And I've given examples of that on my show. So, yeah, I've got nothing nice here to say about Donald Trump, that's for sure.

[Kenny Co]

Do you think he's a pedophile?

[Brian Shapiro]

Good question.

[Kenny Co]

I firmly believe he's a pedophile.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's possible.

[Kenny Co]

His close ties to Epstein, the story.

[Brian Shapiro]

Sure.

[Kenny Co]

The redacted information within the Epstein list.

[Brian Shapiro]

I could totally understand why you would come to that conclusion based on what you just said. Best friends with Jeffrey Epstein sexualized his own daughter. Bragged on the Howard Ster about going into teenage girls locker room without permission. Very possible. Here's what we do know for sure. He's all over the Epstein files. That's why Cash Patel wouldn't answer the direct question. Did you tell Pam Bondi Trump's in the Epstein files. He's all over the Epstein falls. I believe there was sex trafficking going on at Mar a Lago. I believe that that was part of the reason why the friendship ended. That he, you know, Epstein and I know Mark Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's brother. I also believe in my heart, I believe that Donald Trump was responsible, allegedly partially responsible for the. For the suicide. I think it was murder of Jeffrey Epstein. I absolutely believe that. 100. Wow.

[Kenny Co]

So do you think Epstein's actually dead?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes, I do, but I think he was murdered.

[Kenny Co]

Obviously some conspiracies out there. I believe the same.

[Brian Shapiro]

I believe he was murdered and there's a possibility.

[Kenny Co]

Who knows, maybe they snuck him out. But I was like, it's either it wasn't suicide, it was either murder or he is still alive.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. I mean, when you have a prominent. I do think he's dead. When you have a prominent person with that amount of money that has that many names that he could, you know, so. Absolutely. The idea that Donald Trump, you know, I think Donald Trump knows what happened, whether he was responsible for it or not. Well, Mark Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's brother, called the FBI and made those claims that he believes Trump was responsible.

[Host]

So there's new theories that Jelaine was Epstein's handler. Have you seen those?

[Brian Shapiro]

I have.

[Host]

That's interesting.

[Kenny Co]

Right, Right.

[Host]

I think a lot of guys in politics have handlers.

[Kenny Co]

So I guess. Do you think this was For Israeli based interest.

[Brian Shapiro]

The whole Epstein situation. No, I've heard rumors that, you know, Epstein was working with the Israeli government.

[Kenny Co]

Father was. Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean, if someone could show me actual real evidence of that, then I'm open to, to looking at it. But here's what we know for sure. And this is what I focus on. And I think you would agree Jeffrey Epstein and Zain Maxwell, they, they, they are pedophiles. They are some of the biggest sex traffickers in American history. They are horrific human beings. And the fact that the Trump, and I know there's a lot of Trump supporters that are angry at this. The fact that they're treating Maxwell and putting her in a Club Med facility with a puppy dog and giving her treatment to protect Donald Trump and the Dan Bonginos of the world who said we're going to get the deep state. And then he, all of a sudden he's the second in charge of the FBI and does absolutely nothing. I mean, they've done nothing. And, and they're, they're pedophile enablers. That's what I think they are. I think feel like it's a vice

[Kenny Co]

to hold the politicians of the US to act in the best interest of Israel. If they step out of line, boom, we have this tape from Epstein.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't, I don't think it's that control.

[Kenny Co]

Yeah, obviously then you factor in apac, of course, the funding of the politicians.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think money is certainly a factor. I'm not so sure that that pedophile protecting is a part of it.

[Kenny Co]

So I guess like jumping back to the Trump situation, like it would prevent Trump from speaking and doing what he actually wants because of what he knows is held against him.

[Brian Shapiro]

But look at that, look at the history of the Republican Party though. I mean, they're extremely pro Israel. The history of the Republican Party. Yeah. There are some Democrats that are pro Israel as well. Look, I'm pro Israel in that a sense that I do believe they deserve to exist. But I am anti Israeli government. I don't like Benjamin Netanyahu. Yes. The reason why I believe Israel should exist. And first of all, there are millions of Muslims that live there. I've been to Israel before. But like I said, there's a lot of Israeli people that want Netanyahu out the door. I believe he's a dictator and he's committed war crimes in the whole nine yards. You know, Do I think pedophiles are involved in this? Not really. I don't get wrapped up too much into conspiracy theories and I Know, today, in today's day and age, you could become a Candace owns and make a lot of money, whether it be the Charlie Kirk murder or, or Israel.

[Kenny Co]

Do you think it is a conspiracy theory, though, even though all arrows point in a direction?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I would, I. Something would have to be presented to me where there's actual real evidence, where some elected officials are put on the record and, and, and it's proven in a court of law. I guess what I'm saying is, I don't know. I like to focus on what we do know for sure and that is there are war crimes being committed. It is a mess in the Middle East. I believe Donald Trump has made the situation worse. I believe Benjamin Netanyahu has made the situation worse. You have a bunch of people in Palestine that do not believe Israel should exist. You have Iran and the government that are terrorist enablers. It is a mess out there and we're not going to solve it. We are not going to solve it. Do I think we've helped out Israel a little bit too much? I think we help out a lot of people a little bit too much and we should care about our own first. But this is a problem that's never going away in our lifetime. I wish, I wish that wasn't the case. But there's a lot of innocent people that have lost their lives and there's a lot of hate towards Muslims.

[Kenny Co]

Been going on for a very long time.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Kenny Co]

I mean, the Crusades, the Holy War.

[Brian Shapiro]

Absolutely.

[Kenny Co]

Muslims, Christians, Jews.

[Brian Shapiro]

Absolutely, absolutely. But I don't believe I, I usually don't like to use the term genocide, and here's why.

[Kenny Co]

So do you think what's happening in Gaza right now is a genocide under that category?

[Brian Shapiro]

The reason why I don't use that term is because if they, if Israel truly wanted to wipe out every Palestinian person on the planet Earth, they'd be able to do it. They haven't. Yeah.

[Kenny Co]

But they would have to think about the repercussions.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, of course, of course. But that's why, that's why I don't think it's, it's genocide. Here's what I do.

[Kenny Co]

I think it's like a slow genocide to not cause too much attention to where the whole world collapsed back.

[Brian Shapiro]

If they want to get rid of.

[Kenny Co]

You have to be strategic about it.

[Brian Shapiro]

But if they want to get rid of an entire group of people, why do they let millions of Muslims live in Israel? You have to ask yourself that question. That would be my first question. I do believe that at first. Netanyahu and the Israeli government wanted to take out as many Hamas leaders as possible. I do believe that, but I don't believe they were careful enough in. In innocent civilians. And unfortunately, there are some Palestinians out there that still support Hamas too. But listen, I can also go after Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib. Talib is someone, to my knowledge, who has never called out Hamas. I think that's absolutely despic. But I don't know if you'll agree with me on this. I do believe that, yeah, there has been an anti Semitic issue within the Democrat Party for a while. I think this is turning to the. To the Republicans now. I think there are some extremists on the right. What do they use the term gripers? Is that. Is that the word far right? Yeah. I was out there in Phoenix at Amfest. There were a lot of those people out there, and now the Republican Party is having an issue with that.

[Kenny Co]

Like, would you say criticism of Israel or the Jewish people, though, is labeled as anti Semitic? I know a lot of people throw out that word. So I said, like, if you're critical of someone, it's not necessarily anti Semitic.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think there's a difference between criticizing Jewish people and criticizing Israeli government. Those are two completely different things.

[Kenny Co]

But what about like, for instance, criticizing Muslims or criticizing Christians or any other. I don't.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, but I don't criticize.

[Kenny Co]

Is it specifically like with the Jewish religion, if you're criticizing in any regard? Well, whether it's right or wrong.

[Brian Shapiro]

Right.

[Kenny Co]

That's labeled as anti Semitic.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I don't do that. I don't criticize an entire group of people. When you say Muslims and like, I. I just don't talk like that because I think it's wrong. I said this on Pierce because some people think it's anti Semitic to criticize the Israeli government. I do not. I don't think it's anti Semitic at all. We should be allowed to criticize any government, including our own. But there's a difference, like I said, between criticizing the Israeli government and then criticizing Jewish people in general. Criticizing a group of people just because of their religion is anti Semitic. If you're just going to criticize Jews, for example, and there's a lot of Jewish people that criticize the Israeli government. So, no, criticizing the Israeli government is. Is not anti Semitic at all.

[Kenny Co]

So, for instance, criticizing the events of World War II, the events leading up to what caused it, Would you label that as anti Semitic if someone was.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, because you're not criticizing an entire group of people. Because of their religion. You're criticizing a certain group of people because of their actions that you believe might have caused a war. I think those are two completely different. Yeah, does that make sense? Two completely different things, which I think is very fair. I think it's very fair to criticize a government. But when I see people on social media saying, all Jews are this, all Jews are that, Jews are blah, blah, blah, blah, I just. I can't take people like that seriously because that's not. To me, that's not a serious conversation.

[Host]

Do you guys feel like anti Semitism has gotten out of hand? Because even Fuentes made a video, I don't know if you saw this yesterday, saying it. He believes it's gotten out of hand.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes.

[Kenny Co]

I think there should be more of it.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. I don't think you believe that. I don't think. You see, he's laughing. He doesn't believe that. You don't believe that. Let me give you.

[Kenny Co]

The thing is, I don't view it as anti Semitism.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, let me ask you a question.

[Kenny Co]

Be anti Semitic, Obviously, I'd have to hate on Ethiopians or hate Arabs.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, let me give you an example of what I had to deal with, okay? I. I was at an UN Fuck America tour event in Phoenix, okay? And I debated Alex Stein. He's a friend of mine. I think he's a good dude. And afterwards, I go backstage in the green room and one of Myron Gaines friends. Suleiman. Yeah, Suleiman. Who, by the way, I didn't know him from a hole in the wall. I didn't even know who this guy was. He comes up to me, he doesn't even introduce himself. Doesn't know how to talk to somebody. And he calls me a. I'm going to say this. He calls me a. Okay, Now, I don't know who this guy is. He doesn't know any of my. I think my opinions on Israel are pretty grounded. I don't defend the Israeli government. I have a lot of disdain for Benjamin Netanyahu. And he just calls me a slur that never happened to me in my life before. I've never had people come up to me and talk, talk to me like that. First of all, I'm not even a religious person. Like. And. And I think there are more people like that now that are comfortable enough in their bigotry to just go up to random people instead of having conversations like this. And I think that's really wrong. I think racism is on the way up. Yes. I think anti Semitism is on the way up. I think a lot of things are, are, and I blame not all of it, but I blame a lot of it on Donald Trump. The rhetoric, the hateful rhetoric, the, the stuff that he says on a daily basis. It seems to be socially accepted. And there are people on social media like the Myron Gaines of the world and others, and Nick Fuentes, I'll throw him in there too. Even though he claims he doesn't hate all Jewish people. But when you say crazy things on social media for clicks and money, unfortunately, even though some of these people might not actually believe what they say, there are a lot of ignorant people on social media that read it and now all of a sudden they become radicalized. Look at Kanye West. And I think it started with Kanye. You know, it just, I just think it's very dangerous and these are dangerous times that we're living in and we have to be able to talk to each other without generalizing groups of people as bad people. I defended Muslims when, when all this rhetoric and these attacks on, on Muslims are out there and all these people want all Muslims to be deported. I don't believe in that at all. There are good people and bad people with every religion, every skin color, whether you're white, black, whatever you are. And so yeah, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to go on a filibuster there,

[Host]

but yeah, yeah, I think going back to Kenny's point, you kind of make that distinction with Jewish people and with Zionists, right?

[Kenny Co]

Yeah, for sure. I mean, Zionist is obviously the political movement that was started to essentially have the homeland, but I almost feel it's gotten to the point where it's expansion, it's never enough. Like, why is Israel at its current state not enough?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I don't know what you mean.

[Kenny Co]

I, I don't know if there's not share the land.

[Brian Shapiro]

You know, I think if we had a two state solution, I would be for that. I, I think I would be okay with that. I'm for any solution that stops innocent. I want people to be free and to live their life. I also am not for Sharia law. I'm not for people getting thrown off of roofs because they're gay either. I want people to be able to live their life and be happy. Unfortunately, I'm not sure we can do anything much more about what's going on in the Middle East. It's a mess. I do believe Israel should exist if a two state solution happened and they could negotiate something like that and there could be some Sense of peace I would support.

[Kenny Co]

So I have it correct you. I do think that what's happening in Gaza is not a genocide, right?

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean it's murder. There's a lot of innocent people that are dying and starving to death.

[Kenny Co]

You know, label it.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, here's why I don't get too wrapped up in that because the point

[Kenny Co]

I was going to make so for instance, with the Venezuelan president, you know, went in, captured super easy, almost effortless, have him back on a plane, pictures are posted, everything. Israeli government claims to be so sophisticated and high end. Why if there's Hamas, let's say they know some location or they're not able to strict extract Hamas, take out Hamas.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, that's a decent question.

[Kenny Co]

Instead they just decide to kill the women and children that are also in that building.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know whether that was intentional or not, but I will say this. Benjamin Netanyahu certainly didn't defend his own people. When Hamas went in there and killed all those innocent people, why didn't they have the sophistication to be able to stop that? I think that's a very fair question. If they are as sophisticated as they claim they are. Yeah, I think, I think feel like

[Kenny Co]

that was a false flag.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't, I don't think it was a false flag per se. I think it was a horrible injustice. And, and Netanyahu and the Israeli government certainly didn't protect their own people. I don't think it was anything intentional. But I think that for that reason alone, Netanyahu should be outed. He shouldn't be there. But yeah, it's a horrible tragedy. There are families that lost loved ones and people that. It's just, it's just horrible even talking about that. And look on the other side of things too. There's a lot of innocent people on the other side that have been, that have been brutally murdered as well. All it's terrible. We just had 13000 people that were murdered in Iran. Protesters.

[Kenny Co]

Wow.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's horrible in like, in like a week and a half. So I mean like I said, I, I try to be consistent. I want people to live freely and be able to, to do what they want when they want. I don't want innocent people dying whether it's in Israel or whether it's in Gaza. And I'm not one of those people that are going to defend anything and everything that the Israeli government does because I don't and I talk about it all the time.

[Kenny Co]

You know, I mean of course with social media, the Recent wave of, of course, the pro Hitler type of content,

[Brian Shapiro]

which I don't agree with.

[Kenny Co]

You feel people questioning the events of World War II. I guess, once again, back to your question of being anti Semitic. If someone's in favor after doing some thorough research and background into the events leading up to. And I guess seeing the truth of what Hitler was actually doing is labeled as anti Semitic.

[Brian Shapiro]

It depends.

[Kenny Co]

Questioning the narrative that we were all taught.

[Brian Shapiro]

It depends what exactly is said. I think every situation and every statement is different. But in general terms, Hitler was an evil, murderous dictator. If somebody disagrees with that statement.

[Kenny Co]

So why do you think that, though?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, how many people died. How many people died in the Holocaust, do you think? How many people were murdered?

[Kenny Co]

It's hard to have an exact number because they don't have.

[Brian Shapiro]

But you agree a lot of people were murdered? A lot of people were killed.

[Kenny Co]

Yeah. On every side, though. And that's the weird part for me is why is there such a heavy emphasis on the Jews that were killed but not any other nationality that was included in the war?

[Brian Shapiro]

So. So in your.

[Kenny Co]

Even the greatest amount that was killed.

[Brian Shapiro]

So in your opinion, how many?

[Kenny Co]

My guess. I mean, like I said, this is a complete spitball guess. I don't think there's anywhere close to 6 million like they portray that number.

[Brian Shapiro]

So let's just say that.

[Kenny Co]

300,000. Let's go.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, so I would respectfully disagree with you. I think there were far more people that were killed in the Holocaust than 300,000. But let's just say for argument's sake, you're right. Still doesn't change my opinion on Adolf Hitler. He was an evil, murderous dictator.

[Kenny Co]

Which makes you think he was evil

[Brian Shapiro]

and murderous, though, because if not for Adolf Hitler, I don't believe these Jews would have been murdered, period, whether it's 300,000 or 7 million. And so if he was so evil

[Kenny Co]

and murderous towards the Jewish people, why would there be over 150,000 in the Nazi regime fighting for him?

[Brian Shapiro]

Why are there 150,000 people in the Nazi regime fighting for.

[Kenny Co]

Because it was a Jewish heritage.

[Brian Shapiro]

Because it was a. Well, it was a dictatorship, for one. There's a lot of followers in American history that follows such a hatred.

[Kenny Co]

Why would he not exterminate those people like what was portrayed in the media?

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean, all I can tell you is that there were a lot of people that were exterminated. Why he didn't exterminate a group of people that worked with him, I don't know. What I do know is that and then.

[Kenny Co]

Sorry, I don't want to interrupt. Yeah, the extermination part. Do you believe any Jew was actually gassed in World War II?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, there's history and, and witness testimony and people that said that that was true, that they were put in ovens, that there were people that were people that have lived through the Holocaust, that have actually witnessed that on the record, that have talked about it. Thousands of people on the record that have said what they saw. There were people that were literally burnt alive. There were people that were tortured. It's why we have, you know, these, these sites at these concentration camps, where even Elon Musk went to these concentration camps and did a tour after he did some things and said some things that I would consider anti Semitic. So.

[Kenny Co]

But my question that is, why is there no evidence of any of that taking place?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I think, I think your definition a lot. There's a lot of people in history.

[Kenny Co]

So for instance, Joseph Gibbles, right, He had his diary that was searched. They had all the other atrocities that the Germans did throughout their regime, right? Everything mentioned in there, not one mention of gas in. Same thing with the military transcripts that were decoded.

[Brian Shapiro]

But why are you held up on gassing if they were murdered in one way or another?

[Kenny Co]

Huge agenda or message that's pushed out there is that it was this hate crime that the Jews were gassed, you know?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I mean, do you agree that there were Jews that were burned alive in ovens, or do you don't think there's any evidence of that? Either they were murdered.

[Kenny Co]

I mean, so what does it matter? Maybe a possibility. Definitely never guess because there's no evidence of Zyclon B being.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, again, what I would say is even if they weren't gassed, or if

[Kenny Co]

you look into Treblinka, one of the popular Nazi extermination camps, where there's supposed to be hundreds of thousands of bodies. There was Australian researchers that went around the year of 1999, didn't find a single remain of any Jewish individuals. But they're supposedly supposed to be hundreds of thousands of bodies buried in this field in Treblinka.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, what I would say is whether they were gassed or shot in the head, they were murdered. So I try not to be held up on how they were murdered.

[Kenny Co]

But why is there no remains of where there's supposedly supposed to be hundreds of thousands?

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean, I mean, if there's hundreds of thousands of bodies that haven't been found yet, you know, I'm sure there's probably thousands of bodies that are buried in the desert somewhere here in, in Las Vegas. The fact is they never came home.

[Kenny Co]

That's the narrative that's pushed though, is that they did probing of the ground where they're supposed to be. Hundreds of thousands of Jewish bodies buried on top of each other in this field that were supposed to be dying in diesel gas chambers, which we could talk about another time because to kill someone with a diesel gas is almost impossible. But on top of that, there's no remains, no evidence that anyone was ever killed or buried there. So why would they start that, I guess, message.

[Brian Shapiro]

So if there, so if there hasn't been remains found in a field, does that mean that they weren't killed?

[Kenny Co]

The forensic studies, what I'm saying is they're probing the earth. They were figuring out the disturbance.

[Brian Shapiro]

So where did all these people go if they didn't come home to their families, where did they go exactly?

[Kenny Co]

Were they ever there?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, where did they go though? If they disappeared and they never came

[Kenny Co]

home, it never happened.

[Brian Shapiro]

So if they disappeared and they never came home, then where do they go?

[Kenny Co]

How do you know they disappeared? Well, if they never.

[Brian Shapiro]

Based on families, I mean, based on families and, and evidence from that standpoint where they never came home, where they were kidnapped.

[Kenny Co]

Because when you look at the grand picture narrative, Hitler wanted peace. On numerous occasions he even dropped pamphlets over Britain.

[Brian Shapiro]

You think Hitler was wanted peace?

[Kenny Co]

Yes. 100.

[Brian Shapiro]

You don't think he was a dictator?

[Kenny Co]

There's no conflict in that. Before he invaded into Warsaw, he wanted peace. Over five times tried for peace with Britain. France was refused everything.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hitler was.

[Kenny Co]

Then they began terror bombing in Germany which forced Hitler's action to do what he did back.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, and I, I think it's, he's the opposite of peace.

[Kenny Co]

They wanted war because he removed a certain group of people from positions of power. And Germany, for once in its history over the last couple decades, finally started to flourish as a country.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, I mean, obviously I would disagree with your assessment that Adolf Hitler maybe at some point in his life, maybe he wanted peace, I don't know. But I can only go by his actions of what he did in the months leading up to his own death in, in that he was responsible for a lot of innocent people dying. And, and so I have nothing nice or kind to say about an evil murderous dictator in our history books that'll go down. In my personal opinion, as one of the worst human beings in the history of the world. I could look at, you know, a lot of other people, Saddam Hussein, for example, could be one of them. Gaddafi. There's. There's plenty of people in the history.

[Kenny Co]

So, I mean, like in the earlier, in this interview, I brought the Bolshevik revolution. And the reason I did that is because that was a genocide that took place. The Holy Damore, which was over 60 million Christians killed in a genocide. It's where the term gulags and a lot of these things came from. This was before, of course, World War II and the Holocaust. Why is that not taught? Is heavily in our history books when it's a much more severe genocide or event that took place. But there's such an emphasis on the Holocaust and how bad Hitler was, for instance, with Hollywood. Why is it never Lenin? Why is it never any of these other horrible names throughout history? It's always Hitler.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I could tell you that I'm somebody that doesn't always talk about Adolf Hitler. In fact, you know. Well, my job is I talk about what's going on in the news today. I try not to look too far in the past. I look to the future. You'll have to talk to those people.

[Kenny Co]

Do you feel history repeats itself?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I hope it doesn't with Adolf Hitler, if that's what you're asking me. But I do believe that Donald Trump is a wannabe evil dictator. I do believe he looks up to other dictators, like Vladimir Putin, like Kim Jong Un. I hope history doesn't repeat itself. I hate where this country is going right now. I think we're headed in that direction. I really do, and it pains me to say that. And after all this situation, when it comes to ice, what we are headed for in this country worries me a great deal. Sure, there's Americans fighting against Americans in our streets and. And I hate it. But, yeah, I try not to focus too much About World War II, what took place with Adolf Hitler, except for saying.

[Kenny Co]

But doesn't that give a greater understanding as to the big picture of where certain agendas are wanting to go? So, for instance, like, what a lot of people don't know is Hitler was fighting communism, Marxism, Bolshevism from Europe. That was essentially the stance he wanted. Right. For the people, as he didn't want communism to take over. So which communism? I'm not sure if you knew, but 85 of the communist founding party were Jewish. So that's where a lot. I mean, that the Jews created communism.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, there's a lot of people that say the Jews created a lot of things. There's a lot of people that make statements and say that the Jews are running Hollywood. There's a lot of people that say

[Kenny Co]

the Jews think that they're not.

[Brian Shapiro]

There's a lot of people that are not Jewish that are directors, actors. There's a lot of successful Jewish people in this country. That doesn't mean they're running everything. No, I completely disagree with that. Kanye West.

[Kenny Co]

I feel like they control majority of the news outlets, its media and everything,

[Brian Shapiro]

though, that we take right now. We can talk about Fox News and cnn. They're not run by Jews, as far as I know. Those are the two of the biggest networks around. No, I completely disagree. I don't think Jews run everything. I think there, there, there's a difference between people that are very successful that happen to be Jewish.

[Kenny Co]

Google, TikTok.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, there might be CEOs, there might be CEOs that, that are Jewish, but that doesn't mean that they're spewing propaganda or, or doing things that you think are, you know, know, pro Jewish, pro Israel all the time. I don't think that means that they're running everything. So. No.

[Kenny Co]

So I guess I have a question for you. If I was to make, let's say, take my content, I don't know if you think it's anti Semitic or what I'm doing, your viewpoint on that, but if I translate that over to, let's say, Muslims, do you think I would have been canceled? I mean, you probably don't know much about me, but I've had all my platforms canceled. Do you think I would have been canceled as heavily if my criticism was strictly about Muslims rather than the Jewish people?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I will go by just a few things that I saw on your social media, and I will try to be fair about it. Whether you compare Muslims to cancer or Jews to cancer, I think it's wrong. I think it's wrong to compare any religion to a disease that kills so many people every year. I think that is a bigoted statement to make. So it doesn't matter whether it's Muslims or Jews. I would call that out equally. I think it's wrong, and I don't think. I don't think there's a place for that. Now, you do have freedom of speech, but you also have to understand that these platforms are private business platforms, and if they don't want you on their platform, they have the right to do that. You have the right right now to go out on a public sidewalk here. Now, I wouldn't do it, but you have the right to go on a public sidewalk and say you hate Jews or you hate Muslims and the government cannot get involved, meaning they can't obviously arrest you. But I had this debate with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. About medical misinformation. Right. These platforms, as much as I despise Elon Musk, I think he's a horrible human being. Terrible human being. And I think X is a cesspool of stupidity and people that are so angry with their lives.

[Kenny Co]

Do you like what he did with the platform, though?

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I don't at all.

[Kenny Co]

You don't think there's more freedom of speech on there, on other platforms?

[Brian Shapiro]

So. So freedom of speech pertains to the government, not private business. This is a private business.

[Kenny Co]

Freedom of speech in general, being able to say what you want without repercussions.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, there's always going to be repercussions for the things you say in society. Now, it might not be government interference, but if you go on a public sidewalk right now and you say, I don't know, I hate black people or I hate Jews, whatever job you have, you could lose your job for that. So there's always going to be consequences for the words you use. While we do have freedom of speech, doesn't mean there's not consequences for the things you say. Right. And, and this is a. Whether people like it or not, X, Facebook, YouTube, these are private companies, so it's a privilege, not a right to be on the. Okay, so another thing that you're asking is, do you. You think it's okay? Well, I think if you incite bigotry and violence, I'm not saying you do that, but there are people that do. When they go on social media and they take an entire group of people or do what Kanye west did and just go on there and attack people because of their religion, I think it's despicable and disgusting. And I don't. I don't think these private now. I don't think they should allow it. They have the right to, I guess, but I don't think they should. And what Elon Musk has done, or Rumble, for example, where they allow people to use the N word. They allow people to say the most despicable and disgusting things.

[Kenny Co]

You said it.

[Brian Shapiro]

No. And, and no. I've never used the N word in my life. Never? No, never in my life. Swear to God. On my. On my. On my life.

[Kenny Co]

Try right now.

[Brian Shapiro]

Why would I say that word? It's such a horrible word, but it's such a horrible thing to say. Why would, why would you be okay calling A black person that they call themselves it. So you think it's a word. So you think it's the same when

[Kenny Co]

a black words have that much power? Like for people, someone could call me whatever they want. I'm not holding any offense to it.

[Brian Shapiro]

Right. But. But you think of what, you think a black person calling a black the N word is the same as a white person calling a black person.

[Kenny Co]

Why is it different? We're all people.

[Brian Shapiro]

You think it's the same?

[Kenny Co]

Yeah. Why is it. Yeah, why is it different?

[Brian Shapiro]

Why is it different? Because of the history of this country. And black people were slaves in this country and, and slave owners. There are people that look like us that owned black people, which I would hope you would. You would admit was. Was wrong and it's not the right thing to do. And it is a extreme. It. The word makes me extremely uncomfortable and I think it's one of the worst words in the dictionary and it's just an awful thing to say to somebody.

[Kenny Co]

Is it in the dictionary?

[Host]

I'd be wild if it was.

[Kenny Co]

Is it actually in the dictionary?

[Brian Shapiro]

I believe it is, sure.

[Kenny Co]

I mean, even more, it's just a word.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's just. To you, it's just a word, but to some people that don't look like you, that have lived through a different lens than you, it's a very hurtful word. For example, the word to you is probably just a word, but when somebody calls me that, it is extremely hurtful. You are. It's one of the worst things you could say to a Jewish person.

[Kenny Co]

Why do you take offense to it? It.

[Brian Shapiro]

Why do I take offense to it? Because it is one of the worst derogatory words you could use to describe somebody that is my religion and you don't even know anything about me. When you, when you call somebody the nword that is black, most black people that you talk to. And by the way, I'm not black, as you can see, I don't speak for black people. But most black people that are friends of mine that I talk to will tell me the meaning of the word, where it comes from and why it's so hurtful. Now, I agree that if they don't want to be called that word, they probably shouldn't use the word themselves. But I'm not going to tell a black person that. And you know, there's a way that they use the word that is a little bit endearing. Is the word is. Is. Is. I think the, the definition that they would use when they use it in a different respect. But I just think there are certain words, and even though we have freedom of speech, there are certain things that you just. It's so demeaning. You just shouldn't say them. It's just awful. And, no, that's a word that I've never used. It makes me very uncomfortable. I don't like racial slurs. That's exactly what that is. I don't like slurs of anybody. And I'm across the board on that. I just think it's. It's. It's inappropriate. I think it's wrong. I think it's very harmful. Yes, you have the right to say it. You do have something of freedom of speech. But I can guarantee you that if you're, you know, out there on the streets or wherever.

[Kenny Co]

For instance, Nazi, that was a derogatory or racial slur for the National Socialists.

[Brian Shapiro]

So. So, so when you use the term Nazi, you think that's derogatory towards people that are German?

[Kenny Co]

Yeah, towards the National Socialists. That's why it was created.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. So I would never randomly go up to somebody that I don't know and say, hey, because you're German, you're a Nazi. I also would never say I deserve reparations because of what happened many years ago. No, I wouldn't do that. I think it's wrong. I can say that some of the language that Donald Trump and members of his administration use, it is recognizable to me of some of the language that Nazi Germany. In Nazi Germany. But the difference is I'm not taking an individual and saying, hey, you're a Nazi because you're from Germany. I think that's awful, and I think that's wrong. A lot of good people in Germany, and I would never do that. When you call somebody that, you're taking an entire group of people and you're saying you're this. And. And again, like the beginning of the conversation, I think that's wrong.

[Kenny Co]

Wrong.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think that's wrong. I don't like judging somebody because of their religion or where they're from. I'm just not that person. And I just. I don't like doing that. I'm not a perfect person, but I don't like doing that.

[Kenny Co]

So my question, because this would be interesting for you, our current stance and the way things are headed. Do you think we're acting in the best interest of America or the best interest of Israel?

[Brian Shapiro]

I think Donald Trump is working. If you're talking about this administration right now, Donald Trump is working in the best interest of himself and the billionaires. That are around him.

[Kenny Co]

Him.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think when he works with Benjamin Netanyahu, I think financially, Donald Trump and his rich friends are the ones that are gaining from it. I believe he is as corrupt as you can be. So I believe it's not just Israel, but this is not an America first agenda, period. Across the board you can say, well, he's helping Israel, he's not helping us. Okay, okay. But I think this is across the board. This isn't just Israel.

[Kenny Co]

Where do you feel like this happened or the shift took place with his presidency or.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, I think, I think. Well, listen, I think that politicians are bought and paid for a lot, but I think Donald Trump multiplied by 10. I think when Donald Trump first got into office back in 2016, I will tell you that we started to get more divided and I think we are more divided now than we ever are politically, racially, we are a very divided country now. Republicans and Democrats, while not perfect, were able to have conversations and be somewhat reasonable. There are so many radicals. I'm not just saying they're just on the right. There are some on the left too, but they're just. Look at what's going on. You have to admit what's going on in Minneapolis is a travesty. Would you agree with me?

[Kenny Co]

It's horrible and there's conflicts all throughout the nation. But do you think it's actually the left versus the right?

[Brian Shapiro]

I think the two worst words in this country are Republican and Democrat because they both do what's best for their party and not what's best for their country. So that, that's what I would say there. That's number one. Yeah. It's not the two party system right now. It's. It's not working very well. We've lost that sense of having reasonable conversations with one another. That's why I try to have these conversations every day with people that I disagree with.

[Kenny Co]

I prefer to have these.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, even though

[Kenny Co]

we probably talk about things, of course, a new way.

[Brian Shapiro]

Listening. I agree. Listen, I was probably the only. Even though I'm not a liberal, there's nothing wrong with being a liberal. I'm not even a registered Democrat. I'm a registered independent. I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton. I didn't vote for Barack Obama. But when I was at Amfest a few weeks ago, I, you know, even Jack told me this. Jack Posobic. I was one of the only people on the left that was credentialed to that event. But I think they do respect the fact that Yes, I want to have these conversations. Yes. I want to have conversations with people that I disagree with. This is a productive conversation. But I can tell you having conversations with people like Myron Gaines are not productive because they're just going to call me names and they're just going to make slurs and stuff like that. It's just, it's stupid, man. It's stupid. I mean, I would like to have a conversation with Nick Fuentes. I would like to find out why he says so many nice things about Adolf Hitler. I would.

[Kenny Co]

Why do you think he's a fellow bed?

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know. I don't know. I do think he's a closet homosexual.

[Kenny Co]

I actually, I, I do believe that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. 27 year old. A 20. See, I knew we'd agree on something. A 20. No, but it is. He's, he's a weird dude. Right? But is he a fed? No, I think he's just like Candace Owens or Myron Gaines in this aspect. I don't know him personally, I don't want to know him personally, but I think he says and does things to make money. He makes a lot of money on social media. He's made a name for himself by spreading hatred and bigotry. Same thing with Candace Owens. Candace Owens is a warm.

[Kenny Co]

There could be a bigger agenda at play then.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think so.

[Kenny Co]

He's so successful. Why is he allowed to thrive while others get taken down so fast?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, is he, is he, does he have a platform on YouTube and Facebook?

[Kenny Co]

I mean, apparently he's been deplatformed. Yeah, we're talking about this in our episode.

[Brian Shapiro]

Right? Right.

[Kenny Co]

His funding must be insanely high because he has clippers and a bunch of

[Brian Shapiro]

people repurposing his show, his podcast. He has a ton of list.

[Kenny Co]

And this was before he is the current day Nick Fuentes that we know with the viewership he has. Here's what I think funding come from.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, here's how I think it started. He's a guy who hates who he is. Yes. I do believe he's a self hating gay person. He hates who he is. He started a podcast and says a lot of outlandish crazy things. But he's not a stupid guy. You know, people, a lot of people find him entertaining. I don't find him entertaining just because I think he says a lot of horrible things. But he started to make a name for himself. He made a lot of money, just like Candace Owens started to make a name for yourself. You make a lot of money. Hey, the More crazy racist and anti semitic things I say, the more money I'm gonna make. And then he starts to get a lot of donations. Then he starts to get a lot radical people that support him. And he gets paid for a lot of, you know, appearances in certain places. And that's what I think it is. I'm, I don't think he's a fed and I don't think he's, he's working for anybody else but himself. He's just somebody that has made a lot of money for himself. And sadly, in the day and age that we're living in today, if you say a lot of horrible things, you're probably going to get more attention than the guy who just is facts, facts, facts and respectful, you know, I mean, I call people names, but I don't use racial slurs. I call people names, but I don't attack people because of their skin color or what their religion is. I call people right wing buffoons, I call them turds, I call them this, I call them that, but. And I'm aggressive. And listen, listen, if I'm nice on the air, nobody's probably listening to me. But I don't think you have to call people slurs to make a living. And that's what Myron Gaines does. That's what Nick Fuentes does. And I think it's horrible and I think they're repugnant people. Now Myron is a different guy off the air, at least the way he's treated me. Then what would you call him? You'd call him a phony? You know, I mean, you walk into you, I don't think you would do this. You walk into Amfest depicting a sweatshirt that you're wearing of mocking people who were killed in the Holocaust.

[Kenny Co]

I mean, was that what he did?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, that's what he did. And he laughs at it. He calls a woman Z, who is the leader of the Unfuck America tour, calls her a fat Jew cunt. Only a horrible human being would talk like that. I mean, it's just awful. And yes, you're right. I know what you're gonna say. Freedom of speech. You're right. But why should we reward people like that in society that, that talk about a pregnant woman like that? Like, I just think there are certain things that align that you probably, in our business that you probably shouldn't cross. And people like Myron and you know, I just, that's why I just don't, I don't take them seriously. But I do think they're very dangerous. Because they have large platforms.

[Kenny Co]

Right. And a voice to spread that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Right, right. It's one thing to disagree and have respectful conversations. It's another thing for him to use slurs. Right. Like, if Myron was sitting here right now and he called me a slur, I would just get. I'd say, you know, know, off. Have a nice day. You know, like, I. I've just done talking to these people because we don't get anywhere. And. And, you know, unfortunately, I know a

[Kenny Co]

topic I did want to cover with you is apac. They're, like, the only registration or agent that doesn't have to go under Farah. Why do you think that is?

[Brian Shapiro]

I'll be honest with you. I don't like talking about things where I'm not knowledgeable or I don't know what I'm talking about. And that's one of those things where I. I don't want to say something because I. I'll be honest with you. I'll do some research on it, and I'm happy to talk to you about it down the road, but I just.

[Kenny Co]

Just.

[Brian Shapiro]

I just don't know enough about it. But, yeah, so sorry on that. I just. I just. I'm not knowledgeable.

[Host]

Maybe give your opinion on it, at

[Kenny Co]

least for the viewers.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Kenny Co]

So basically, any foreign agent has to register with the Department of Justice if they're doing any type of, let's say, political advertising or anything within the United States of America. The one exception, or the only company that does not, is apac. Right. The only agent that doesn't have to register what their dealings or what their business is within the United States. Do you see that as a problem?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, I see that as a problem. I wouldn't support that. I see a lot of things as a problem. I see insider training in. In D.C. as a problem. I see corruption as a problem. Even though Hunter Biden was never in Joe Biden's administration, I think we probably could agree that Hunter Biden took advantage of who his father was. Barisma. And then you have Jared Kushner that steals 2.1 billion. Not steals, but accepts 2.1 billion from the Saudis. I don't think you should be able to take advantage of who a family member is. Right. For example, a politician. But we need to put laws on the books. And what you're speaking of right now. Yeah, I'm with you. But there needs to be laws on the books. We need to be able to hold people accountable. When you have the President of the United States right now, who pretty Much has full immunity. I mean, what are we doing? What are we doing? There's so many. I don't know who you voted for,

[Kenny Co]

but I didn't vote this last one.

[Brian Shapiro]

Interesting.

[Kenny Co]

I wouldn't lie. I did want Donald Trump of the two candidates, but I'm also a firm believer, and we talked about this in our podcast as well, that I believe, believe the presidential spot is more just a puppet for bigger power.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think Stephen Miller is, to an extent, I agree. I think Stephen Miller is probably the guy calling the shots behind the scenes. But what was it about Kamala Harris that you just hated, that you just said, I can't vote for this woman? Why?

[Kenny Co]

I just felt like they were both corrupt in some regards.

[Brian Shapiro]

How's Kamala corrupt?

[Kenny Co]

How is any politician that's funded by AIPAC not.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I understand, but. But what you're saying.

[Kenny Co]

But, but because then you're never going to act on the best interest of America if you're getting funded from an Israeli company for your ent. Obviously your allegiance.

[Brian Shapiro]

Kamala was not very pro Israel. She didn't even want to meet with Benjamin Netanyahu. There are people that were outside the DNC that were calling him genocide Joe Biden, I mean, there's a lot of people that are anti Israel that couldn't stand Kamala and Joe and they wouldn't vote for them because, because, because of that. But, you know, but, but I know

[Kenny Co]

that Trump also said similar things. You know, and this is where we run into a lot of problems, is the presidential candidates will say they're going to do all these things or they believe certain things, but as soon as they take office.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I think there are different levels, right?

[Kenny Co]

Different.

[Brian Shapiro]

2016, he said he was going to lock up Hillary Clinton. He said he was going to build the wall. Mexico was going to pay for it. She didn't, you know, they didn't pay $1 for it. This go around, he said he would end the war in 24 hours. He said, you know, Donald Trump did say that, you know, he would get the bipartisan infrastructure bill. Joe Biden was able to accomplish that. Kamala Harris, while the vice president, she's not really a policymaker, but when she was running, I, I agree with a lot of her policies. Lowering taxes for middle America to, I think 26, 27%. She wanted to lower taxes. Donald Trump's had the biggest taxes for the top 1% in American history. A hundred billion dollars in the last year. I think Kamala had some pretty good ideas. I think one of the Main reasons why she lost unfortunately is because a lot of people weren't ready to elect elect a woman their own two against Donald Trump. And that makes me very sad. Had I have no problem. I don't care whether you're a woman, whether you're gay or straight. I don't care. But I don't know. I mean I don't know what policies you you didn't like. I'd be interested to hear. I know you know.

[Kenny Co]

You know I have a follow up question I would have to that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Kenny Co]

Who do you believe was the last U. S. President to have America as its like top priority or interest?

[Brian Shapiro]

I think there are different levels to that question. That's a hard question for me to answer. Certainly not George W. Bush. When you look at the war in Iraq I think he's the poster child for the opposite of that.

[Kenny Co]

We'll come back to this. Yeah, you brought that up.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Kenny Co]

I think 911 was the way it was portrayed in the media. How was it portrayed or wasn't an inside job?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, I've heard a lot of people say that. Here's what I think. I think George W. Bush and Condoleezza Rice did not protect America. They had warnings that Osama bin Laden was going to attack us. I do find it very strange that and I did see Fahrenheit911 which I thought was a pretty good movie where the fact that they flew out a plane George W. Bush did the following day of the bin Laden family. That's also very strange. Do I think it was an inside job and that George W. Bush wanted this to happen and wanted 4,000Americans to be killed? No. Even though I am not a George W. Bush defender by any means. I think you had a group of people in Al Qaeda that hate America and they hate the freedoms that we have. Same reason why they bombed the twin towers when Bill Clinton was president. President and he had a lot of horrible people that did a lot of damage. Do I think it was an inside job? I don't think George W. Bush was in on it but I do believe he used 911 as an excuse to go to war with Saddam Hussein. We relied about weapons of mass destruction. Dick Cheney and George W. Bush.

[Kenny Co]

I believe that was Israel pulling the strings ally the US to war to fight their war.

[Brian Shapiro]

So. So I don't believe they pulled strings. But in the same reason why Donald Trump bombed Iran. Faulty intelligence from Israel where the Israeli government tells us or tells George W. Bush Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction. He's trying to kill you. Whatever they told George W. Bush and they went with it. Why? Because the Israeli government knows that they're better off if Saddam Hussein is off the planet and you attack. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died. Thousands of American soldiers died. Why? We saw Saddam Hussein with a pellet gun in a candy bar in a hole. He was not a threat to the United States of America. Really bad guy guy. Bad for the world. I'm glad he's gone. But yeah, in that aspect, pulling strings, I'm not so sure. But Israel working in their own interest, giving us faulty intelligence. Iran. Donald Trump bombed Iran. Listen, the Iranian government, they, they harbor terrorists. They're horrible people. But did we have to bomb them? I'll defend Barack Obama here. You know, Barack Obama did not bomb people. This is why, by the way, I should turn my phone off during a podcast. Yeah, it's Obama. But, but yeah. So that's my. Does that make sense? I don't know. Like, I don't, I don't, I wouldn't say pulling strings as much as I believe working in their own interest and giving us faulty intelligence. I'm not here to defend George Bush.

[Kenny Co]

Do you think he had foreknowing that 911 was going to take place or happen?

[Brian Shapiro]

I think he and Condoleezza Rice and this has been proven, they received warnings that Osama bin Laden was planning a terrorist attack in the United States. They, at a minimum, they certainly didn't do enough to protect us. A lot of innocent people died and then they use that to go into Iraq. So do I think it was an inside job? Do I think the government was involved?

[Kenny Co]

You think the Jews were involved?

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I, I don't think. No. I definitely don't think 911 happened because of Jewish people. 911 happened because you had a group named Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. They trained for over a year for this horrible attack because they, they wanted to ruin our economy and kill as many people as possible. I certainly don't think that the Israeli government was behind 9 11. I believe Muhammad Atta and those other horrible human being terrorists who killed so many innocent people were responsible. And George W. Bush used it as an excuse to go to war in Iraq. That's my personal opinion. I listen, I love Jesse Ventura and Jesse Ventura certainly has some conspiracies about 911 and we shouldn't trust our government. Okay, fine.

[Kenny Co]

Lucky Larry story.

[Brian Shapiro]

I have, I have, I have. And I'm.

[Kenny Co]

Your thoughts on that?

[Brian Shapiro]

You know, I'd have to go back and read about it. I Have heard about it. I haven't talked about that in a while. But in general terms, here's what I will say. There's a lot of people in the world that want to harm Americans. There's a lot of people in the world that want to kill, kill us. Because they hate our way of life and the freedoms that we have. Al Qaeda being one of them, ISIS being one of them. And that was a horrible day. That was a horrible day. I remember I was in college and I was driving to school and I. I'd heard on the radio what had happened and I lived about two hours away from Manhattan and I drove out there a few days later and you know, I'll never forget it. It was horrible. I don't want that to ever happen again. I understand. There's a lot of people out there that think it was an inside job. There's people out there that think the government was involved. I'm just not one of the. It's not that I believe everything the government tells us because I don't. I just don't think that. No, I mean, of course I don't believe it. Do you think I believe Donald Trump and Kristi Noem when they tell us that, that this guy tried to get run over and it was self defense and he had bruising. Have you heard that he had internal bleeding? Are you kidding me? Did you see that video? Listen, I'm not one of those idiots that believe. And I think you're an idiot if you believe everything our government tells us. Of course, our government. The Gulf of Tonga, there's so many different examples I can give. But. But they're lying to us right now. And that's why I make comparisons to dictatorship and to fascism. Because I look at what's going on in the streets of Minneapolis right now and I look at what's going on in this country right now where these ICE agents only need 47 hours of training and they get a $50,000 bonus. These people are uneducated. Many of these people don't even have a high school degree or GED as you would call it. So yeah, we probably have a lot of other topics we haven't hit yet. So sorry, I talk a lot. Finish your point, Ken. Yeah, go ahead and move on.

[Kenny Co]

I mean, do we want to keep covering the 911 topic? Because I mean, that one obviously goes pretty deep. I think that was Israeli based influence to help rally the American people to fight a war on behalf of Israel against Iraq.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, so you can believe.

[Kenny Co]

I believe America should have had no influence or involvement in Iraq.

[Brian Shapiro]

Explain to me, explain to me how the Israeli people, who, by the way, Al Qaeda and everybody in that area hate. How do you think Israel and the Israeli government were able to persuade a bunch of Al Qaeda terrorists to end their life and to put planes into buildings if they hate Jews and the Israeli government? Probably because I don't think it was

[Kenny Co]

them that did it.

[Brian Shapiro]

But, but the bodies were found. I think it was internal, but the bodies were found. Bodies of.

[Kenny Co]

Structurally, engineers have looked at the, you know, construction of the Twin Towers.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, but you agree that Muhammad Atta, they found the bodies of these terrorists. You do know they also found their

[Kenny Co]

passports miles away, even though everything was burned up.

[Brian Shapiro]

But they did find their bodies. And by the way, there were dead bodies. Are you aware that there were dead bodies on 911 that were found literally blocks away, like as much as a half a mile away? There were bodies that were found. There was a body that was found about 11 or 12 years ago in, in like a, a gutter of some building. I mean, like, there are. There are. I mean, when you have that type of impact, you know, I know you're talking about IDs and passports, but those terrorist bodies, I think all of them, except for two, were found. Muhammad Atta and others. They found those.

[Kenny Co]

You have multiple scenarios, right? You have the dancing Israelis. I don't know if you've heard that theory as well, but they were dancing when the towers were hit. Woman found it suspicious, reported it. They were held, questioned, very suspicious. But then they were deported back to Israel. Come to find out they were Mossad. Okay, Then you have Larry Silverstein shows up to work every single day of his career, misses on 911 due to a dermatology appointment, right? I mean, made him go to.

[Brian Shapiro]

There's about 100 people that didn't show up.

[Kenny Co]

On top of that week, before the tragedy happened, he took out an insurance policy strictly for terrorism. Ended up getting double because of two instances of terrorism. Then on BBC News, they're reporting that Building 7 was hit. And as they're on air live, Building 7 is still standing behind them. So they had four. Knowing that Building 7 would then go down.

[Brian Shapiro]

So what I would say to that, There are hundreds of people that, that I've talked. I haven't talked to hundreds, but I've talked to several people that didn't show up to work that day because they weren't feeling good. So that, that did happen. It happened to a flight attendant who was supposed to be on the flight. American Airlines flight from Boston to New York. I spoke to her. She didn't show up to work that day because she was sick. So that stuff does happen. As far as what you're talking about, about insurance policies and stuff, I'm not aware of that. I'd have to look into that. But. But we know what. Close to 4,000 people died that day. If there's actual real evidence, not circumstantial, anecdotal evidence, but real evidence that somehow the Israeli government was at least, at least partially responsible, then I would gladly take a look at that. But what we do know is that Al Qaeda members were the ones that put those. Put those people on those planes with box cutters. Whether at the plane that went down at the Pentagon, the plane that went down in Pennsylvania, or what happened with the Twin Towers. Those were Al Qaeda members on those planes. Last I checked, those were not Israelis that were on those planes.

[Kenny Co]

So how could you confirm that?

[Brian Shapiro]

By bodies. Bodies that were found. DNA evidence, which has been totally proven. Bone fragments. Even if they didn't collect the bodies, intact bone fragments and DNA. Now, if, again, if you want to make the case that the government is lying to us and they never found those bodies, they never found the DNA, you can make that. But we actually have video, video of

[Kenny Co]

them outside perspective, looking in. What's the best way to rally a nation to want to stand behind a war or a conflict or go into one. Well, probably some huge tragedy against you, right, where they're killing off your people, some, I mean, error against you.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, but it wasn't. But he didn't go to war. They tried to get Osama bin Laden and I'm glad they eventually did. But they didn't go to war in Afghanistan, they went to war in Iraq. So if the argument is, Benjamin, whoever was in charge, the Israeli government, they wanted America to go to war and get Saddam Hussein, then why wouldn't they just get a bunch of terrorists in Iraq to do it? Why would it be Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda if that's the argument?

[Kenny Co]

Because I feel that Israel has been pulling the strings for longer than people know to fight wars on their behalf. Half even since, you know, of course, World War II, World War I. They needed every bit of help they could get because obviously being a small percentage, numbers aren't there to be able to take.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think there's a difference, though, between saying, well, they're pulling strings and they're trying to get somebody to do something than to say, well, this is what they executed and this is what they got blah, blah, blah to do. I think, I think those are two different levels. But when it, again, when it going back to 911, we know that Osama bin Laden was the mastermind. We know that you mentioned. How do we know that these people are on the planes? Well, there's actually video of them in the airports, waiting in the terminals. There are witnesses that saw Muhammad Ata. Muhammad Ata and two others were in Las Vegas. There's video of them in Las Vegas days before 9 11.

[Kenny Co]

Let's say all of this. Yes. How do you know what their motive is or who they are representing?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I'm pretty sure I know what their motive is. When they take over an airplane and they, and they, and they put it into a building.

[Kenny Co]

It's not Jewish influence. For instance, back to the Bolshevik revolution.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, how do we know it's not? I mean, how do we know it's not. Not. How do we know it's not China influence? How do we know it's not German influence? We, we, we.

[Kenny Co]

So don't you think it's suspicious how we wouldn't sell tik tok to China or we had such a big fuss over China having our information, but yet we freely hand it over to Israel?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I think we have a. Certainly our, our government has a better relationship with Israel than they do the Chinese government, that's for sure. I mean, the Chinese government is an absolute dictatorship regime. President G is a dictator. At the same time, I'm not defending the Israeli government, but, but again, just going back to what I said, we have video of those pilots or I'm sorry, we have video of those terrorists in the airports going on those planes. We know they were in those planes. We know they used box cutters. We have.

[Kenny Co]

But how do you know they're not acting on behalf of Jewish influence?

[Brian Shapiro]

As much as Al Qaeda, a terrorist organization, probably hate the Jewish people more than any other people on the planet, I seriously doubt that Osama bin Laden was somehow coerced by the Israeli government or anybody Jewish. Hey, we need, we need you to do blah, blah, blah blah because we want America to go to war with Saddam Hussein. I can't imagine it doesn't make any sense to me. It just doesn't. Certainly I believe that they went to war. Our, our government went to war in Iraq for money. And that, by the way, that's why many a times in the history of this country, war is money. Right. And Dick Cheney and Halliburton, as much as I have a little bit of respect for, not much for, for the late Dick Cheney and his and his daughter because they finally went against Donald Trump. But that was a war about money. Saddam Hussein was not a threat to the United States. So I'm not here to defend our government. I'm not here to defend the Israeli government. But yes, I do believe Al Qaeda doesn't mean that there weren't shenanigans going on before or after. But yes, I do believe Al Qaeda

[Kenny Co]

see a similar scenario happening in the foreseeable future now with Iran, especially with

[Brian Shapiro]

Donald Trump as the president. Yes, I absolutely can. And by the way, they're threatening other countries like Greenland. They're threatening to put, this is batshit crazy stuff. They're threatening to take over countries by use of force of Greenland. We see what's going on in Iran right now where all these innocent people have died. Absolutely. I could see that happening. And this is what's so fucked up about this whole thing. So many people who voted for Donald Trump, oh, he's going to be a no war president. Right?

[Kenny Co]

Right.

[Brian Shapiro]

He's not going to start any new wars. He's going to be a peace president. Are you fucking kidding me? He sends, he says he ended eight wars. He's bombed eight countries in the last year. He hasn't ended eight wars. I always ask Trump supporters, really, which wars did he end? He said he was going to end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours. I don't know what your thoughts are on that.

[Kenny Co]

No, I firmly said, I think I've even put this on Twitter. I don't know if you saw that one, but I said if you still support Donald Trump in 2026, you're retarded.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. See, this is the thing that I'm confused about with you because is you seem like you're a fairly reasonable guy.

[Kenny Co]

Right.

[Brian Shapiro]

You're not stupid. You have a sense of history. We agree on some things. We disagree on some things. Fine. But my question to you is, will you make an attempt, while you're entitled to your opinions, to not group an entire religion or group of people, can you make an attempt of not doing that? Because I think that's dangerous when you compare an entire group of people to like a disease. Right. You don't have to do that to prove your point. You're. I'm not saying, listen, I'm not saying you don't have the right to do that. That's not right. But you don't. I don't think you have to do that to make your point. If you think that the Israeli government was behind 9 11. Fine, you're entitled to the opinion but that doesn't mean all Jewish people wanted that to happen and you would agree with me on that.

[Kenny Co]

But so for instance though like let's say with history related topics before Israel came into existence existence as a country or as a state how would you then distinguish like let's say it's all Jewish influence pulling the strings. What would you say?

[Brian Shapiro]

All Jewish influence pulling the strings on

[Kenny Co]

what specifically let's say any topic. Right. How would you lump sum that group of people? What would you say there's. There's Russian influence Drop each name individually because it's a number that's well because I. Because you're easier to understand because you're

[Brian Shapiro]

sitting groups motive because you're sitting across from somebody who's Jewish and I have absolutely nothing to do with what the Israeli government does I'm a Jewish person and when you group somebody.

[Kenny Co]

Well this is why I don't like the grouping because I also noticed as well in American culture a lot of the Jewish people aren't even aware of things that are going on in the world they don't know the dealings are

[Brian Shapiro]

being But a lot of Israelis are and a lot of Israelis are very anti Benjamin and that's why I can't

[Kenny Co]

very important accountable because right religion for the religion aspect they're not not in the corruption level whether that's the US Israeli or.

[Brian Shapiro]

But that's not just Jewish people there's a lot of people in this country that are extremely ill informed right now

[Kenny Co]

Zionists on the other matter I feel you are well inclined to know what is going on but people called so

[Brian Shapiro]

many Jews Zionists without even knowing there I was called a Zionist without even knowing not you but someone had recently called me that without even knowing my opinions on the Israeli government because people make assumptions about people because of my last name and I hate that but at the same time I'm not a fan of religion I'm not an atheist I'd like to believe there's something out there but how many innocent.

[Kenny Co]

Because you brought that up do you believe in Jesus?

[Brian Shapiro]

I believe in there's a God. I believe there's a higher power out there but that's.

[Kenny Co]

I believe he was God.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know that's the thing we all don't know that's religion being Jewish

[Kenny Co]

I mean obviously you said you're not super religious I'm not at all.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm not religious Obviously a lot of

[Kenny Co]

Jews take a very Severe stance, for instance, like Ben Shapiro. And why?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, Ben Shapiro is a piece of

[Kenny Co]

burning and fire and excrement in hell.

[Brian Shapiro]

Listen, Ben Shapiro does not represent Jewish people. I want to be very clear on it. He wears that yarmulke on his head and he thinks he's a better Jew than everybody else. He's not. He's a piece of. He's a little weasel who's no better than Candace Owens or everybody else who makes a lot of money spreading. And I'm going to take the side of Tucker Carlson on this. When Nick Fuentes did Tucker show, I don't know if Nick Fuentes wanted to do my show, I would have him on. I would give him the platform, but I would push back. Back. I don't think that Tucker did that, but Ben Shapiro complaining. Oh, well, you had Nick Fuentes on your, on your. You had a, an anti SEM. Please give me a break. Ben Shapiro's had some awful people on his show. So I'm not here to defend Bench. Really. The little weasel. And he's an embarrassment to Jewish people, but he really is. He's an awful person. He's a coward too. You know, like he only debates a bunch of college people. Like, I don't, I don't want to bring somebody who was just assassinated into this because. Because I do appreciate the fact that Charlie Kirk was willing to debate people that he disagreed with. Right. And what happened to him was horrible. It was terrible.

[Kenny Co]

But, but like, interesting to hear your stance actually with that. Just because of the whole Erica Kirk situation. What's your beliefs or thoughts on that whole situation?

[Brian Shapiro]

I do believe Erica Kirk's behavior is very strange.

[Kenny Co]

I do believe WWE performances that have been put on.

[Brian Shapiro]

I hate to say that about a widow, but I will say her behavior is very weird with her fake tears. I don't like to tell people how to grieve, but her behavior is very weird. A couple days. First of all, who tapes being over your dead husband's body? And you tell somebody. She had to tell somebody to do that. That's just performative. And then a couple days after her husband dies, she sends mass text messages to people to donate to Turning Point. That's some sick stuff. So she's a sick person. I'm sorry what happened to your husband. Do I think that she was a part of it? I don't have any evidence to prove that, but I do believe her behavior is very strange. Do I believe Robinson acted alone? I don't know. What I do know is that he's

[Kenny Co]

behind it was actually him.

[Brian Shapiro]

I do believe the circumstances, and I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I do believe the circumstances around it are very strange. How does he disassemble that gun in that fast a period of time? The picture of the person that we saw on the camera does not look like the same person in Tyler Robinson. Could it be a Lee Harvey Oswald type situation where he's the scapegoat? Maybe. I don't know. Here's what I know for sure. What happened to him is terrible. I know people that were there, there. It's horrible what they had to see. It's a terrible thing. Right. I feel for his kids. That's the first thing I thought about in any Democrat that's celebrating his death is despicable. We can't celebrate political violence in any way, shape or form. It's horrible. The reason why I brought him up though is because while I. One thing we had in common is I appreciate the fact you. He wanted to talk to people he disagreed with. The guy debated a bunch of ill informed college kids. That doesn't make you a great debater. He, he very rarely debated someone as old age or older. Same thing with Ben Shapiro. What are they afraid of, man? Like, what are these people afraid of? They don't want to debate people that they think might be smarter than them.

[Kenny Co]

Right.

[Brian Shapiro]

And I, so I lost a lot of respect for Charlie Kirk and I do believe he had some very bigoted opinions on certain people. But yeah, what happened to him was, was absolutely a travesty.

[Kenny Co]

Do you think his death had anything to do with the circumstances and him in the talks of Israeli influence and things that were.

[Brian Shapiro]

I've heard that. I know that a week before he made some statements about Israel. I have heard that. And the way I'll answer that is the way I've answered anything else. I need some proof. I need some evidence. You know, him just making a comment a week before he was assassinated to me is not enough proof to say that Israel was responsible. What I believe is that most likely Tyler Robinson was responsible. He does seem like a, a strange individual who was demented. A lot of people are going to have conspiracy theories on what happened. There are a lot of weird things in the video that I have examined that are strange as well. I do believe he died almost instantly. I think in a second or two he was dead. He died before he hit the ground. It's very sad, but you know, there's a lot of conspiracy theories that float around there and, and I always go back to give me Evans evidence. The first assassination of Tempa Trump. You know, they always say the left, it's the left. The left killed Charlie Kirk. No, they didn't. The left tried to kill Donald Trump. No, they didn't. One registered Republican tried to. And then the second assassination attempt was a guy who once voted for Donald Trump. I hate it when people say that the left is responsible for this. The left tried to kill this person. You know, it's like I hear conspiracy theories about January 6th too, and I don't believe any of those conspiracy theories about January 6th. I think there's more validity maybe, maybe to questioning the Charlie Kirk murder than January 6th.

[Kenny Co]

Do you think that all these different conflicting, I guess, viewpoints, whether religious, political, every single one is fabricated to help distract and cause division among the people rather than realizing who the actual enemy is?

[Brian Shapiro]

Sometimes, yeah, I think sometimes a lot of people, and I think we might agree on this, the one thing that a lot of people talk about now are Donald Trump's distractions to us. So we're not talking about the Epstein folks falls. It's funny how that story just kind of goes away a little bit, right. There's a lot of people that are being protected, I believe in the Epstein falls and then he decides to invade Venezuela the same day. I think that more evidence with the Epstein falls were supposed to be released, which they didn't. So, yeah, I think in certain situations you can say that it absolutely is a distraction. I think it's a, a case by case basis. And I think that we probably agree on that, that Donald Trump, Trump did some horrible things to allegedly. To some underage girls. And there's probably a lot in those files that he doesn't want to see released, right? Yeah.

[Kenny Co]

So pertaining to the anti Semitism, why do you think, for instance, the Nick Fuentes, that style of content has continued to grow so much or got so much steam or momentum behind it for

[Brian Shapiro]

the same reason why it got a lot with Kanye West. For the same reason why somebody like Myron Gaines or Candace Owens, unfortunately, thing

[Kenny Co]

is because people are starting to like connect, connect the dots and kind of realize that maybe we've been lied to about a bunch of different scenarios and they all point in one direction.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think if it's. I don't think it's connecting the dots as much as I think there's a lot of people in this country that have hatred in their heart. And when they hear somebody that says things that they believe in that maybe could be racist or could be anti Semitic. And when they hear somebody who says things and speaks well, and they hear it it over and over and over again, they try to believe it. The reason why I say that 6 out of 10 Republicans right now think that Donald Trump won the 2020 election. Why do they think that with no evidence? Because Donald Trump and right wing media have pushed a false fake narrative. So if you hear somebody like Nick Fuentes every day and you listen to him or Myron Gaines every day, blame Jews for all the problems in the world, people are going to become radicalized and they're going to start to believe it. A lot of people can get radicalized if they don't educate themselves. Nick Fuentes has a large following. Myron Gaines has a large following. Donald Trump has a large following. There are a lot of idiots in this country that believe the 2020 election was stolen with no evidence of widespread voter fraud, but they still believe it. Why? Because Mike Lindell says it? Because Felon Dinesh d' Souza says it, or because Donald Trump says it? That's not evidence. So I'm making that correlation there because a lot of people believe things. When they hear somebody say it over and over and over again, every day they start to believe it.

[Kenny Co]

But what about the things where there is evidence? Like for instance, Federal Reserve coming into existence or the USS Liberty or other events, for instance, the 9 11. Regardless what you believe or don't believe. But when all things are influenced in some way or have a connection to a group of people, when you start to view that group of people, if somebody can.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let's focus on 11 for a moment. If there's actual real evidence that somebody could present to me, which I've never seen, that Israel was directly correlated to what Al Qaeda did, then I'm open to listening to it. But I had. Just because somebody on a podcast says it doesn't make it true. Just because they allege something might have happened without showing any documentation or any evidence or any testimony that has been proven in a court of law, doesn't make it true. I have yet to see any actual real evidence that Israel or the Israeli government was responsible at all for 9 11. And by the way, in this hour here, I made it pretty clear that I don't defend Benjamin Netanyahu and I'm not here to defend the Israeli government. I'm not saying it's impossible. All I'm saying is I haven't seen any evidence. I'm an evidence based person. And when Myron Gaines blames Jews for everything or When Nick Fuentes blames Jews for all of our problems, I, I take it with a grain of salt because they're not showing actual real evidence to the things that they say. But sadly, a lot of people, if they are easily coerced or can be manipulated with what these people say, they start to believe it and then they

[Kenny Co]

believe the narrative evidence. Would you need, though, that Israel briefly talked on this, that Israel would be, like, so lost in a delusion or a thought or a way of thinking that you could provide all the evidence necessary, put it right in front of them, and they would still believe?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, first of all, give me, give me people at one point that worked in the Israeli government that under oath will. Will make the statements that you've made, that here's what we did, here's why we did it. To my record, to my knowledge, nobody is on record as doing that. Give me some documentation, give me some paperwork, give me some form of communication.

[Kenny Co]

But why would they do that? Well, I think the government would be withholding information.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, there is evidence, okay, that Condoleezza Rice and George W. Bush knew that Osama bin Laden was going to attack the United States. There's evidence of that. The FBI guy showed that, you know, so there was the 911 Commission. There were a lot of. There's a lot of stuff that came out that showed that there was. That he didn't do a good enough job in defending us and defending this country, and they didn't take it seriously enough anyway. But there's a difference between. I'm not saying you need, on some tape somewhere, Osama bin Laden saying, hey, you know, Israel told us to do it. Yeah, that would be pretty big evidence. But. But at the same time. Time, give me something, Give me something. Give me some form of some sort of communication or somebody at one point who worked in the Israeli government. There's plenty of people out there that at that time were working the government that are still alive today. That wasn't that long ago that can, that can say, here's what we did, here's why we did it. We haven't had anybody in from Israel that have come forward and said that. We've just had people making accusations. I need something. You know what I mean?

[Host]

Whistleblower.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, give me something. Give me a whistleblower. Give me something. Something. We just haven't had that. The Israeli government and our own government have done some horrible things.

[Kenny Co]

But what if every time there's going to be a whistleblower or something? For instance. For instance, Epstein, taken Out.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, Epstein taken out is a different can of worms in that he was one of the richest and most powerful people that was friends and working alongside. Wow.

[Kenny Co]

How did he get his wealth?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, well, my understand was he had a lot of real estate dealings and I don't know. What I do know is he's a horrific monster and human being, he and Maxwell. But the fact of the matter is, is that you look at powerful people and how they can harm other powerful people and all the people that they know, and then you look at some of the most powerful people in this country or in the world that probably wanted him taken out because they didn't want to be exposed. And. And keep in mind that he was allegedly took his own life, which I don't believe under the Trump administration. Now all of a sudden, Donald Trump doesn't want us talking about Epstein. He doesn't. He's calling us all stupid talking about it. People like you and me and even his supporters. Right.

[Kenny Co]

He was also the one that was pro releasing the Epstein claim for his presidency.

[Brian Shapiro]

Correct.

[Kenny Co]

Exactly.

[Brian Shapiro]

He claimed that.

[Kenny Co]

That.

[Brian Shapiro]

But saying something when you're not a politician. Right. Are two completely different things. I will say this. Joe Biden wasn't perfect. Barack Obama wasn't perfect. They're not on the Epstein flight log. They've never seen. They've never been seen with pictures with Jeffrey Epstein. They weren't Jeffrey Epstein's best friend. Donald Trump was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein for 10 years. Epstein on tape said that. I've interviewed Mark Epstein a number of times. I've talked to Mark Epstein. Nice guy. He believes that Donald Trump was probably responsible for. For his brother's death. Wow. He said that on my show. And there's FBI documents that show that. That Mark Epstein, you know, wrote that to the FBI. There's three minutes missing from that video.

[Kenny Co]

Wow.

[Brian Shapiro]

They released the video and then now. Wow. Where's that three minutes? Where did that three minutes go? No, I absolutely believe someone went in there and suffocated him. And when you look at the actual autopsy, the autopsy does not show any evidence that. The evidence that was showed from the autopsy, from my understanding, is that he's. Somebody suffocated him. That there wasn't evidence that shows that he did it to himself. So. Yeah, I do think.

[Kenny Co]

Didn't they not autopsy Charlie Kirk too?

[Host]

Yeah, I don't think they did.

[Kenny Co]

Right. Because they said it was.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Kenny Co]

Obvious the way he had died or something. Yeah. Deciding not to do an autopsy. So that should suspicious as is. Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean There's a lot of things that were a little bit suspicious there. But I will say this. Charlie Kirk did not want metal detectors at his events. He was asked multiple times. He did not want it. Charlie Kirk is the guy, and I'm not saying he deserved what happened to him. It was horrible. But Charlie Kirk is the guy that said, well, if. If we have some gun casualties in this country and we can keep our Second Amendment rights there, than there. And unfortunately, he was a casualty of that. We'll see how the tile. I'll be very interested to hear the Tyler Robinson trial and the evidence that prosecutors have, because maybe we don't have all the evidence long enough. Yeah, I mean, that's. Well, obviously, if something happens to him behind bars, then we're going to have a lot more questions. Right, right. For sure. But I hope that trial does happen. It's. It's terrible what happened to Charlie.

[Kenny Co]

I did have one final question.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, yeah, sure.

[Kenny Co]

Do you believe deep down we should have Israel as an ally for America if we had our own best interest at heart?

[Host]

That's a good one.

[Brian Shapiro]

It pains me to say this because, yes, my last name is Shapiro. I am Jewish. The Israeli government is extremely corrupt. I don't. I'm not sure we invade Iraq if not for Israel. I'm not sure we bomb Iran 6 months ago if not for Israel. I've had just about enough of Benjamin Netanyahu. So right now, now I would say no. As long as Benjamin Netanyahu is in power, I would say no. But on the flip side of things, I still think we should be supporting Ukraine. I know it's a different topic, but I believe Vladimir Putin is not only a danger to us in Ukraine, but to the entire world. Because if he wins this war, he's going to take over Taiwan and he's going to. We're going to. He's going to continue to get rewarded. I don't think we have that same situation with Israel right now. I'm not afraid that Israel is going to start invading every country in the world, but at the same time, well,

[Kenny Co]

it wouldn't be Israel, it'd be Israel. Influence America to do so.

[Brian Shapiro]

Perhaps. But the best way, like I said, the best way I can answer that question is so long as Benjamin Netanyahu is in power, I would probably agree with you there and say no right now. They should not be our allies so long as Benjamin Netanyahu is in power. Now, maybe I'm hoping they get someone in there that is not, you know, committed war crimes. Get somebody in there to replace Netanyahu that the Israeli people can be behind that is not anywhere near the level of corruption that's going on right now. So yeah, right now I would say, I would say, no, I'm not comfortable. I, I hate what the influence that Israel has on Donald Trump. Donald Trump, all, he's a puppet, but that's the thing. These world leaders, all they have to do is kiss Donald Trump's ass just a little bit the way Benjamin Netanyahu does. Give him a fake award, you know,

[Kenny Co]

I mean, kiss the wall.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, you know, but, but, but think about it like with Donald Trump, that's all you have to do, Kiss his ass a little bit. Give him the Nobel Peace Prize. Right. Wasn't he supposed to get that today from Machado? I mean, coddle him? What are Russia's sanctions right now? It's insane. He invites these terrorists to the White House, the prince to the White House. What does he get in return? The prince gives him a five and a half billion dollar resort and a 400 million dollar job jet. They were responsible for the murder of Toshogi. If you kiss Donald Trump's ass, he will give you what you want. That's why Donald Trump is a, is so dangerous. I think Donald Trump is more dangerous to the world than Benjamin Netanyahu is. As much as I think Benjamin Netanyahu is, is very corrupt and, and, and I don't defend him. Donald Trump is so more. Because we are the most powerful country in the world.

[Host]

Do you agree with that?

[Kenny Co]

I would actually disagree with that.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think Donald Trump's pretty dangerous.

[Kenny Co]

We fell behind a lot of, over the last decade or two. I think China, there's other countries that I feel are far more superior than America. Especially if you look at how divided America is currently. Right. If you go over to China, they still have national pride. They are willing to live and die and do everything possible for their country. Right. They're united on their front.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Kenny Co]

America, whether it's racial, political, religious, everything that's going on, regardless if it's ice. Do you think anyone would actually be proud to be American, be a patriot and want to live or die for this country? Well, not when. Yeah, comparable levels to China.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's hard for me to defend China. Okay. I don't know exactly what happened with COVID for sure, but we do know that it started in China. I think we both probably know a lot of people or people that have died because of COVID and that was created in a Wuhan lab. Whether it was intentional or unintentional, I don't know.

[Kenny Co]

Know.

[Brian Shapiro]

But we know a lot of people died. I am. The last government I'm going to defend is President G in China.

[Kenny Co]

But, but I feel we are superior as a power China militarily.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes. I think we have probably the most powerful military in the world. That is a very evil. I think North Korea is a big threat too. Kim Jong Un and his weapons. You know, so I as a whole, like, I get what you're saying. I understand where you're coming from. But I just think Donald Trump is so dangerous. He's so dangerous to us, selling us out. And he's so dangerous to the world. Look at what's going on in Venezuela right now. I mean, it's just, it's sick. I'm not defending Maduro. He's a bad guy. But think about the precedent that he is sending. Anybody else in another country can indict our president, which, by the way, I'd be more than happy right now getting Trump out of there. But in general, no one wants to step up. Yeah, exactly. But, but, but think about the precedent that he's sending. We could. They could indict Trump.

[Kenny Co]

Trump.

[Brian Shapiro]

And what does that mean? They come in here and invade our country and kidnap our president. That's what we did. That's what we did. And don't. And they said nobody died. Hundreds of innocent people died in Venezuela with that takeover now. And the worst part about it is they say regime change. Maduro's people are still in charge. Trump isn't the president of Venezuela. Maduro's people are still there. There hasn't been regime change. We got him out of there. So that Donald Trump coerced them into stealing their oil. Because it's about money. And some of Donald Trump's biggest donors are fossil fuel people in that industry. So this is like almost every other war, right? This is about money. And I, I feel like that's like.

[Kenny Co]

Do you believe World War III is currently ongoing as we speak? We're all yet to happen.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think it's ongoing right now. I don't think it's at that point. It certainly could. We were told there was going to be World War III when, when Joe Biden was president, when China had those balloons. Do you remember that? Everyone on the right was like, we got World War iii. I mean, I think people, this is very serious. Serious what's going on in Iran. We should all take it very seriously. It could be. I just don't think we're there yet, if that makes sense. What other topics have we not?

[Host]

That was pretty much all, but we're an hour and a half in, so I think. No, you guys made it easy for me.

[Brian Shapiro]

I didn't really need to step in.

[Host]

Very respectful conversation.

[Brian Shapiro]

This was a much better conversation than, than I expected, like I would expect with someone like a Myron Gaines or somebody like that. I certainly don't put you in that category.

[Kenny Co]

Wait, okay. I did have one last point though, because it's been in the back of my mind you said that you need evidence to believe a lot of these things. So why with the Holocaust, do you just believe what you're told though, rather than getting concrete evidence?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, there is a lot of evidence that the Holocaust did happen because you had a lot of people that didn't return home. So they were, they were obviously kidnapped and killed in one way or another.

[Kenny Co]

Died.

[Brian Shapiro]

Right.

[Kenny Co]

But mostly of typhus or malnutrition. And that's actually due to the US because we cut off supply chains supplying the camps of where these people were being held.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, well, when we go back to the Holocaust and I think of, you know, all the concentration camps and I, I eyewitness testimony, people, obviously many of these people are no longer alive, unfortunately.

[Kenny Co]

So if you're going off eyewitness testimony and whatnot and stories, how is that concrete proof, though?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, because they're gone.

[Kenny Co]

All this proof. Because these other things how happening?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, because, because they're gone. They disappeared. So if you're saying they all went to some island somewhere, have a nice rest of your life. There's obviously no evidence that they're gone. Now. Some bodies, plenty of bodies have been recovered, bone, bone fragments and so forth. There are concentration camps all over where you can go to those concentration camps and you could talk to people. Some people that were actually at those camps, a lot of those people are dead now. A lot of people lost their lives. A lot of people died. We've heard Adolf Hitler's rhetoric. We have seen video evidence. And I think there's, and you would probably disagree with me, but I think there's certainly enough evidence to show that millions of innocent people were murdered. They lost their lives. And that was a terrible time in, in the history of the world. I just disagree with you. I think there's plenty of evidence to, to show that a lot of people were murdered. And, and I think, I don't know how I would categorize you. Are you, are you a Holocaust denier or what happened?

[Kenny Co]

I Just don't think the narrative of what everyone was taught.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you don't think as many people died as people claim.

[Kenny Co]

So you're not how they died.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you're not a Holocaust denier. You agree with me that a lot of innocent people died, you just don't think it was that many.

[Kenny Co]

Just like in any war, there's going to be innocent people that die. Unfortunately. You know, look at the Gaza situation that's currently ongoing right now, women and children. But the nature of how it happened wasn't accurate, nor the amount.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, there's some people that have that opinion. But I would also say, where did all these people go? If you don't believe that 7 or 6 or 7 million Jews, because they

[Kenny Co]

died, like I said, where did they die? It's not a hate cry. It wasn't that they're being gassed, for instance. I don't believe that there was a single Jew gassed in World War II.

[Brian Shapiro]

So let's just say you're right. For argument's sake, let's just say no Jews were gassed. If they starved to death, does that make it any better?

[Kenny Co]

No, but it's not the fault of the Germans for that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Because they're for starving people to death

[Kenny Co]

because it's not their fault. We're receiving supplies and aid, but then it was cut off by the us.

[Brian Shapiro]

But tying people up and putting them in these rooms where hundreds of people are not getting food and water. And you don't blame Germans for that.

[Kenny Co]

For instance, the gas chambers, right? Even Anne Frank's own sister said that what was written in the diary, which was later proven in ballpoint pen, didn't even exist at the time of Anne Frank's diary, right? Said that the events were untrue. That's not what it was. There are, but there are pictures, you know, ovens or the hot, hot gas showers, just a regular shower.

[Brian Shapiro]

But there's pictures of it. There's actual evidence and pictures of that actually taking place. Now, I don't, I'm not saying all

[Kenny Co]

pictures of the swimming pool or these other things like in Auschwitz or these other places of where these Nazi extermination camps were. You know, even on the tour they won't take you to show you those things.

[Brian Shapiro]

Obviously there's not going to be evidence of everything, but there is clear evidence that, yes, some of these Jews were burned alive, some not saying 7 million. But even if they weren't quote unquote murdered, they were still kidnapped, they were still sent to concentration camps, they were still Put to areas and vicinities where they would have been alive with their family even if they were starved. And you want to blame America for

[Kenny Co]

that, but they weren't kidnapped. So, for instance, the Havara agreement was supposed to be relocating the Jewish people over to Palestine with their wealth intact. Right? Then World War II happens, of course, that cut off off the agreement that was in place to have them relocate there.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you think it was a choice for these Jews to be given numbers and to be going on trains and, and sent to concentration camps? You don't think they were forced to. You think that was a choice? They wanted to do that.

[Kenny Co]

Even Benjamin Netanyahu has been on record saying that Hitler wasn't trying to exterminate the Jews, he was trying to expel the Jews. So he's trying to get Jew influence out of Germany. He wasn't trying to just eradicate people, murder millions of people.

[Brian Shapiro]

He might end up trying to Jewish

[Kenny Co]

influence out of the country, even if

[Brian Shapiro]

he wasn't trying to.

[Kenny Co]

These holding camps, which were essentially the concentration camps, were meant to be transient camps sent to send the Jews to Palestine at that time. That is the reason why so many Jews now over in Palestine is because of that. And of course, the Balfour Declaration, even,

[Brian Shapiro]

even if that, even if that was true, that's not necessarily what happened. We know that a lot of people were murdered. That's why I try not to get into the weeds of how many people died or what Adolf Hitler's intentions were. I put evil, murderous dictators in. In one classification. I certainly put Osama bin Laden and somebody like Saddam Hussein or Vladimir Putin and Adolf Hitler. These are evil, murderous people, in my opinion. And these are dictators that are, that are, you know, horrible for the world and, and are sadly responsible for a lot of people dying, including Kim Jong Un. I will put him in that category as well. All. And that's why I try not to get into the weeds of how many people died or how they died or like I said, what his intentions were. It was horrible. It was bad. It shouldn't have happened. A lot of people died. A lot of my ancestors died. And, you know, and what I try to do is I try to talk about today, what do we do to prevent something like that from happening again? Regardless of what your opinions are of the Holocaust, and I truly believe what Donald Trump is doing to this country and no regard for rule of law, we are headed in that direction. Do I think Donald Trump is going to kill 6 million people? No. But there are people that are dying There are people that are being murdered. There are people. You want to talk about starvation? You know, I try to talk about what's going on in this country today. Millions of people losing their food stamps, 20 million people losing their medical coverage, the richest people in this country getting taxed.

[Kenny Co]

That's why you can't compare them, though, because they are very different. Hitler had a flourishing country under his rule, whereas Trump is continually on a downward spiral. Poverty levels are rising. People.

[Brian Shapiro]

There are differences. There are differences.

[Kenny Co]

Inflation is going up. Germany was the polar opposite when Hitler took control.

[Brian Shapiro]

Right, but, but there were people on the streets in Nazi Germany going up to random people, asking them for ID and asking for their names to see if they were Jewish. There are people right now working for ICE that are breaking what our Fourth Amendment rights are, are going up to random people and saying, are you from this country? Are you legal? That is against our constitution. We can't do that in this country. But I, but we've seen videos of it. It's happening every day. You can't go up to people without reasonable or articulable suspicion that you've committed a crime. The, the Trump administration is lying. They're telling us that we're only going, they're only going after people that are violent criminals, that are undocumented. And it's not true. If that was the case, I'd be okay with it. That's not what they're doing. There's videos every day. My listeners send me videos in Minneapolis going up to them saying, show me your id. Why are you from this country? Were you born here? Are you legal? You can't do that. So in that aspect, there are some similarities.

[Kenny Co]

Okay.

[Brian Shapiro]

That in some aspects, not all aspects, yes, you're right. It's a, it's a, it's a different circumstance. I don't want to see people that have lived in this country for decades, states being sent to El Salvador prisons. In our constitution, it says, and this going back to Nazi Germany, it says any person has the right to due process, not any citizen. You can't just round somebody up and send them to an El Salvador prison where they're being beaten and starved. There are non violent criminals that are being treated that way. And that's like animals, man. That's wrong. So when I do make some similarities again, do I think Trump, Trump is going to kill millions of people? No, but our, our rights are being taken away from us. There are people in this country, politicians that think if you blow the horn at an ICE agent, you should be arrested. You're someone who talks about freedom of speech all the time. I know you can't be okay with that. You should be a lot, right? You should be allowed to peacefully protest now. I don't think people should be following law enforcement. I don't think they should be allowed to impede an investigation. But, you know my friend named Robbie Roadsteamer, who. I think you know him. He's. He's like a maga. He prankster, right? He pranks maga. He was arrested the other day in a giraffe outfit, singing a song with a guitar. I mean, what type of country are we living in? And Joe Rogan, of all people, called it this. Gustavo. Joe Rogan, who is pretty much been a Trump supporter, right? And even Joe Rogan said, what are we doing? We're going to be in the streets, and you're just gonna go up to people and ask them, are you from this country? Country that is not the country that I want to live in. I don't recognize this country anymore. And it's. It's. It's troubling. So, yes, I think we could be headed in that direction. I think that was what you originally asked me. I'm just. I'm very concerned about where we're at right now, and I think it's important to have these conversations, but for sure, you know? Yeah.

[Host]

Well, gentlemen, I think that was productive. Thanks for both.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, you bet, man. Nice to meet you, man.

[Kenny Co]

Of course.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Kenny Co]

Peace.

[Host]

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