Justus Smith: Civilizations Collapse Every 200 Years… Are We Next? | DSH #1786

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Digital Social Hour
Episode: #1786 — Justus Smith: Civilizations Collapse Every 200 Years… Are We Next?
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Justus Smith
Date: January 26, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode brings together host Sean Kelly and guest Justus Smith—podcaster and commentator—for a lively, unfiltered conversation centering on the cyclical collapse of civilizations, genetics and intelligence, conspiracy theory lore, CIA activities, and how societal trends threaten the long-term survival of Western culture. Infused with both academic references and casual banter, the discussion aims to explore what might be behind the decline of societies and the personal responsibility to preserve the best aspects of civilization.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Cyclical Nature of Civilizational Collapse

Timestamps: 00:00, 15:23, 18:38

• Smith argues that most civilizations only last about 200–250 years before collapse, echoing the notion that “civilizational collapse is cyclical.”

  "Most civilizations, most kingdoms, last for about 200 to 250 years." — Justus Smith [00:17, 15:28]

• He frames this in both genetic and societal terms, emphasizing the importance of cultural stewardship:

  "I think it's advantageous for people who enjoy the fruits of Western culture to fight for the fruits of Western culture. And that involves raising our children correctly, giving them the right role models, making sure that everything runs smoothly." — Justus Smith [00:00, 15:32]

• Demoralization, mass inflation, and mass immigration are identified as the three pillars of collapse.

  "There are three pillars to civilizational collapse. Mass inflation. Mass immigration. Demoralization. This is the demoralization part we're talking about. And you're seeing it, bro." — Justus Smith [18:20]

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2. Genetics, Intelligence, and the Role of Environment

Timestamps: 07:51–11:58

• Smith explains differences in intelligence via “fluid” (innate) and “crystal” (learned) intelligence, using the “pot” metaphor to describe cognitive capacity.

  "Fluid intelligence is something you're born with. Imagine that your brain is like a pot. When you're born, your pot is a certain size and it’s made of a certain material. Some people have a small plastic pot ... Or you might have a wonderful diamond pot." — Justus Smith [07:58]

• He asserts that genetics and ecology (environment) shape intelligence across populations, drawing from controversial research on race, ecology, and IQ:

  "On average, Ashkenazi Jews and Eastern Asians... have the highest IQs on average. 120 and up. Right. Sub Saharan Africans have an 80 IQ on average." — Justus Smith [11:05]

• Smith clarifies he’s sharing data rather than making value judgments, and critiques the left for allegedly personalizing or dismissing uncomfortable findings:

  "People will call this kind of research racist. I didn't come up with this research. I read the data." — Justus Smith [13:23]

• He links a decline in average intelligence to the risk of societal regression:

  "If our general intelligence keeps declining, civilization will collapse. Everyone's going to be slow on that Italian brain rot, watching OnlyFans..." — Justus Smith [14:28]

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3. Mutation, Modernity, and Social Behavior

Timestamps: 00:17, 15:29

• Exploring genetics further, Smith discusses continuous genetic mutation and how elite separation from natural and sexual selection distorts behavioral norms.

  "When you become a super elite... you're no longer under the pressure of sexual selection or natural selection. ... You continue to mutate without course correcting." — Justus Smith [15:48]

• The result: mutated behaviors among elites trickle down to the masses, accelerating civil decline:

  "So we start emulating their mutated behaviors. So the lower classes become mutated. They become despotic. They become all these weird, degenerate people." — Justus Smith [16:15]

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4. Conspiracy Theories and Parapsychology

Timestamps: 02:09–06:33

• Smith details his affinity for conspiracy theories, especially those by William Cooper (Behold a Pale Horse):

  “If you look this book up, you’re actually put on an FBI watch list. That’s how dangerous—just for Googling it.” — Justus Smith [02:20]

• The Cooper story is retold: UFO sightings, secret government intimidation, Cooper’s prediction of 9/11, and subsequent death.

  "He literally said that it would be blamed on Osama a year before it happened." — Justus Smith [04:40]

• Smith shifts to parapsychology, sharing stories of Ted Owens (the “PK Man”) documented for causing weather anomalies and even deaths by malicious psychic powers:

  "In scientific settings on over 230 occasions, was able to cause weather anomalies, like lightning striking at a specific set of coordinates." — Justus Smith [05:32]

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5. Evil, Power, and Motivations

Timestamps: 06:44–07:29

• Smith suggests that evil is less about money and more about deprivation and incompetence:

  "People say that money is the root of all evil. It's not true. The lack of money is the root of all evil." — Justus Smith [07:14]

• He describes how intellect and intent, not circumstances or resources, ultimately shape society:

  "To be powerful in this world... requires intellect. It requires studying." — Justus Smith [07:27]

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6. The Role of Media and Celebrities as Role Models

Timestamps: 19:22–22:38

• Smith reflects on Kanye West as an example—kids need discernment, not blind loyalty:

  "I encourage kids to learn the scientific method, to learn Aristotelian logic and run everything through that and interpret things through that lens. ... Sometimes Kanye West says the most intelligent thing I've ever heard." — Justus Smith [20:51]

• Discussing the danger of uncritical trust in authority figures:

  "People have this blind loyalty towards these celebrities and people they look up to. ... Even the president. They want to agree with every single thing, you know." — Sean Kelly [21:58]

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7. The CIA: Controlled Opposition, Covert Action, and Moral Limits

Timestamps: 22:42–27:49

• Smith asserts that high-profile CIA podcast guests are often “controlled opposition,” suggesting true operatives never reveal their identities.

  "When you know a real spook, no matter how close they are to you, they're not going to tell you they're a spook... If you have somebody come out and try to kind of bleach the CIA and be like, nah, dude, we were chill, bro. That's Cap." — Justus Smith [22:47–23:28]

• He critiques CIA overreach—everything from foreign coups and installing governments to MKUltra, Charles Manson, and bizarre experiments:

  "The CIA is responsible for probably some of the worst atrocities on this planet." — Justus Smith [23:31] "They set up these brothels and bordellos with double sided mirrors...and they were studying the effects. ... At the end of the day, what empirical scientific data are you going to watch and get from a john with a prostitute high on LSD? These guys were having fun with black operations, doing weird degenerate stuff." — Justus Smith [25:39]

• He points to the wall of plausible deniability between the intelligence community and political leadership:

  "When you have this unchecked system... it goes way off the ramps and they start doing weird tests on, like, basset hounds." — Justus Smith [26:56]

• Smith and Kelly share outrage at animal experimentation and agree on moral red lines:

  "If you hurt a dog, bro, that should be subject for execution. ... Let's crucify anyone that hurts an animal." — Justus Smith [27:54]

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8. Lighter Side: Asian Heritage, Otters, and YouTube

Timestamps: 01:02–01:18, 28:05–28:28

• Friendly banter on Asian heritage (Korean and Chinese backgrounds), food recommendations, poking fun at cultural stereotypes, and ending with a wholesome interlude about otter videos on YouTube as a way to disconnect from dark conspiracies.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Civilizational Survival:

  “If our general intelligence keeps declining, civilization will collapse. Everyone's going to be slow on that Italian brain rot, watching OnlyFans and just running around on some mutant timing, bro.” — Justus Smith [14:28]

• On Elite Mutation:

  "As a civilization advances... the gap between the working class and the ruling class becomes more separate—it's like the difference of a God and an ant in actual power." — Justus Smith [16:35]

• On Parapsychology:

  "PK man, you've got to look in. He made lightning strike. He made it melt where it was icy. He made it icy where it was hot..." — Justus Smith [05:59]

• On The CIA:

  "The CIA is responsible for probably some of the worst atrocities on this planet." — Justus Smith [23:31]

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Important Timestamps

• On Civilization Collapse and Mutation: 00:00, 15:23–18:38
• William Cooper & Conspiracy Theories: 02:09–04:53
• Parapsychology and Psychic Powers: 05:17–06:33
• Discussion of Intelligence and Genetics: 07:51–14:28
• The CIA, Black Ops, and Controlled Opposition: 22:42–27:49
• Role Models & Celebrity Influence: 19:22–22:38

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Tone and Style

• Blunt, confrontational, and occasionally provocative.
• Frequent use of colloquial language (“G,” “bro,” “mutant timing”).
• Mix of academic references, pop culture, and irreverent humor.
• Willingness to discuss taboo and controversial subjects candidly.

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For Listeners

This episode challenges commonly held beliefs about society, genetics, and power, asking listeners to critically examine who sets cultural narratives and what responsibility each person has in fighting civilizational malaise. Expect a wild ride blending history, science, conspiracy, and personal conviction.

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Note: Advertisement, intros, and outros have been omitted per request; focus is limited to main content and substance.

Transcript

[A]

I think it's advantageous for people who enjoy the fruits of Western culture to fight for the fruits of Western culture. And that involves raising our children correctly, giving them the right role models, making sure that everything runs smoothly. Civilizational collapse is cyclical. Most civilizations, most kingdoms, last for about 200 to 250 years. Now, this is kind of an interesting concept right here. We're all under the pressures of natural selection. You and I are constantly mutating every second we're alive. You and I are mutating right now because parasites, because epigenetics, our surroundings are causing our DNA to mutate, even duplication of cell. Every time your cells duplicate, which is constantly, you're going to make little errors here and there. So what happens is you're course correcting naturally your social behavior, because your actual behavioral expression is a product of your genetics. Your genetics are like a code, and your behavior is a product of that code. So if that code is changing slowly and you want to survive in a sophisticated society, you have to course correct your behavior to fit in it.

[B]

All right, guys, last guest of amfest. Someone my height. And you look. You look Asian too.

[A]

Yeah. Korean.

[B]

Korean. Let's go, let's go.

[C]

Good to have you, bro.

[A]

What type of Asian are you, G?

[B]

I'm Chinese.

[A]

Okay. I like that. I love me Asian connect.

[C]

Yeah, Korean food is banging.

[B]

I bought food yesterday.

[A]

Oh, yeah? Where'd you go? Cupbox. Yeah, that's good. You gotta go to Sizzle, G. Okay. In Scottsdale.

[B]

Sizzle?

[A]

Yeah, tell them I sent you.

[B]

All right, next up, Sizzle.

[A]

Is it Korean barbecue or amazing? Yes.

[B]

Firestar.

[A]

Best.

[B]

Yes. Also a podcaster.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

You were doing interviews in cars.

[A]

Yes, sir.

[B]

You interviewed Charlie. It got like 6 million views or something crazy, right? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Charlie was a friend. I was really blessed to got the get the opportunity to know him, man. He was a blessing in my life. I got to travel the country with him. I got to spend a lot of time and get to know him well. So rest in peace.

[B]

That was a great patriot, I got to say. Your interview with him, I've seen a lot of his interviews. Yours might have been my favorite.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

You brought out a side in of him where he was talking about topics that he never discusses.

[A]

Thank you, bro. I tried to do that, man. I wanted to switch it up. I wanted to just talk to him like my friend. Yeah. You know, and when I talk to my friends, we're talking about conspiracy theories, we're talking about history, fashion, architecture, agriculture, you name it. Bro, we're kind of like nerds. We're in the niche things.

[B]

So what could. Yeah, go ahead. Go for it, man. What conspiracies are you all about right now?

[A]

Oh, dude. I mean. Okay, let's start with William Cooper. Are you familiar with Behold the Pale Horse?

[B]

No.

[A]

So this guy in the 90s was. Wrote this book called Behold a Pale Horse. And if you look this book up, you're actually put on an FBI watch list.

[B]

What?

[A]

That's how dangerous just for Googling it. Holy. So, like, if you want it, I'll send you a little PDF. So the. The preface of this book was that William Milton Cooper was actually a naval intelligence officer during the Vietnam War. And he was a super Christian, super conservative. And when he went out there one night when he was on his boat, he was doing, you know, patrolling the deck, walking around, and in the middle of the night, he said the ocean opened up like a hole in the water, G. Yeah. And a flying saucer came out of it.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So he's freaking out. He's zeking, bro. He runs into the deck and he's like, boys, get out here, G. It's crazy out here. Okay? So everybody comes out there waiting a little bit. They're like, okay, maybe William's tripping, bro. But then, lo and behold, the sky, you know, know, a little kind of vortex opens up and three flying saucers come down, the ocean opens up, and they go into the water.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So they're all freaking out, bro. When they are docking, they had to wait in the boat for, like, three days to actually get off the boat because all these spooks showed up. All these guys in suits were like, nah, G, y' all gotta sign NDAs if you break any of these secrets, if you go around telling people, we're gonna lock you and your families up. It was really serious. And he was the last one off the boat because he saw the most. So naturally, what did he do? After being threatened, he started to collect as much data as he could and told everyone about it. So the dude spent the rest of his career gathering intelligence documents because he was an intelligence officer. And he came up with this grand thesis that the entire world was governed by a satanic conspiracy that had infiltrated the schools, the media, the church, the military, the government, the. Everything. You name it, they were in there. And he writes this master thesis called Behold a Pale Horse. Now, it's not perfect. This guy was not a scholar, he was not a scientist, he was not an academic. But his heart was in the right place, and he leads you in the right direction to kind of go down certain rabbit holes. So, you know, he's talking about, like, the Elder Protocols of Zion, which is obviously a forged document, but his heart was in the right place. He's trying to be like, what's going on here? He wanted to get to the bottom of it. Yeah. End of the story. He ends up getting killed in Edgar, Arizona, a little bit north of here. The police showed up to his house, and they Swiss cheesed him for tax evasion.

[B]

No way. When?

[A]

William.

[B]

What year was that?

[A]

I don't want to quote the wrong.

[B]

Year, but, yeah, it was a while ago, though.

[A]

Oh, you know what? He died after 9 11.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It was like a year after 9 11. Because one of the big things William Cooper pulled off was predicting 9 11, bro. He literally said that it would be blamed on Osama a year before it happened.

[B]

No wonder this book is banned.

[A]

It's crazy. G, you got to read it. Talking about William Cooper. Behold a pale horse. Read it, brother. I will personally give you a copy. Whatever.

[B]

You won't be on me, or we'll do it.

[A]

You know, real secret. I'll be like, hey, I got that thing.

[B]

We saw it on a podcast. Millions of people watching.

[A]

You just got blacklisted by talking to me, bro.

[B]

Yeah, dude, you're probably on a watch list.

[A]

At least seven.

[B]

Yeah, you're probably getting remote viewed right now.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I know you're fascinated with remote viewing. So am I, actually.

[A]

It's a wonderful subject. There's a gentleman named Jeffrey Mishlove, and he went to Berkeley. He's the only man in the world with a PhD in. In parapsychology, which is the study of psychological phenomenon in conjunction with paranormal activity.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Which. Really interesting. That's interesting. He wrote his doctoral thesis on a man named PK Man. Ted Owens. Okay, so Ted Owens, in scientific settings on over 230 occasions, was able to cause weather anomalies, like lightning striking at a specific set of coordinates.

[B]

No way.

[A]

This is well documented. This isn't, like, fringe conspiracy stuff. This actually happened. This isn't a doctoral thesis from Berkeley. Jeffrey Mishlove. PK man, you've got to look in.

[B]

He made it.

[A]

He made lightning strike. He made it melt where it was icy. He made it icy where it was hot. And their most famous instance, he got mad at somebody over the phone, G. And he actually gave them a heart attack. No, they died.

[B]

This guy, it was linked, though.

[A]

So he had something called negative psi. So there's different types of psychic Abilities. And his was specifically only able to necessarily cause harm. He couldn't necessarily remote view. He couldn't necessarily heal people or give them information they needed. His powers were very malicious.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So they were actually able to measure that during this phone call that the guy that he got angry at, he just died moments after the. Holy shit. You know, so it's kind of freaky.

[B]

G. It kind of proves that evil.

[A]

Eye exists, then evil certainly can exist. You know, I think evil is a really interesting subject because a lot of people try to boil down evil as a religious concept or a moral concept. But I really don't think that we should ascribe to evil could be attributed to incompetence. I think the majority of the problems in the world, people say that money is the root of all evil. It's not true. The lack of money is the root of all evil. If you have a lot of money, gee, if you got a billion dollars in your account, I can't convince you to do something weird. I can't tell you to go down the block and whack somebody. You're not going to do it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now, if you only have $1,000 in your account, you live on O block. And I say, bro, I'm going to give you 10 GS. Go whack this guy. You're going to do it, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So the lack of money is the root of all evil.

[B]

You know, I've never heard that.

[A]

Take, yes, sir. And incompetence is what's going to kill us all. To be powerful in this world, to actually make a difference, to be strong, to be dangerous, requires intellect. It requires studying. You know, I did my research. Johnny Walker, Blue Label, Luke Belmar. Oh, man.

[B]

Do you think you were born intelligent? Or do you think you kind of developed it over time?

[A]

Thank you, bro. I love this question. Okay, so one of my greatest interests is intelligence research. I believe that people on the liberal side, on the left, want to try to mask how important genetics are. They're trying to hide the work of Gregor Mendel and Charles Darwin. The truth is there's two types of intelligence. There's fluid intelligence and crystal intelligence. Fluid intelligence is something you're born with. Imagine that your brain is like a pot. When you're born, your pot is a certain size and it's made of a certain material. Some people have a small plastic pot and you're not going to fit that much in it and it might break. Or you might have a wonderful diamond pot that's this big and you can Fit so much information in it. So that's your fluid intelligence. Your fluid intelligence is your ability to total recall, how quickly you can summon up a subject.

[B]

Carly had a lot of that.

[A]

Yes, he was very sharp. Pattern recognition, that kind of thing. Now, crystal intelligence is what you learn over a lifetime.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

So even someone with high fluid intelligence, they have the capacity to be smart. They're born with a high iq. If they're not given the proper training, the proper education, they might perform at an average level. Now, you take someone gifted and you give them the right training and resources, they're going to outperform everyone. But if you take someone born with that small pot, someone with low fluid intelligence, and you give them a Harvard training best surrounding, they're still going to be dumb, bro. They're born with a certain genetic threshold that's going to allow them to hit a certain point with their studies.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

So IQ is so important and where it gets really controversial. The reason why people don't like IQ is because they say, oh, it's a western concept. And, and IQ only measures how intelligent you are based on your knowledge of, like, Shakespeare and Leo Tolstoy. It's not fair, but it's not true. There are fluid intelligence tests that you could administer to a tribal person that can't read. Someone completely illiterate could take these pattern recognition tests and we could get a rough ballpark of what their IQ is based on fluid intelligence. Interesting. So people try to say it's racist. And the issue is that if you, when you look at the data, you can find different averages of IQ based on race. And it's, to be specific, it's not the word race. It's actually ecology.

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[A]

So on average, Ashkenazi Jews and Eastern Asians, that includes you and I have the highest IQs on average. 120 and up. Right. Sub Saharan Africans have an 80 IQ on average.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And the actual. I'm going to use the clinical word, I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but the actual threshold for in 1980, like the clinical retarded was 80 IQ.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So they actually had to lower it to 70 to try to not hurt people's feelings because they didn't want to say an entire group of people were actually like 70 retarded. Yeah, it's a problem. But why does this matter? If someone has a low iq, does that make them a bad person? No. The issue is that in a western civilization we have certain civilizational goals. And. And if a person who evolved in a different place with a low IQ and they have strong physical faculties because they had high resource acquisition, proximity. Let me break this down. The simplest way possible. This is called life history strategy. So let's say you and I are growing up in Africa over the last several thousand years. There's big animals everywhere that you and I can go hunt. When you catch a big animal, how many women can you feed with that animal?

[B]

A lot.

[A]

A lot. So you can have a lot of women.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're going to have low parental investment parasite. Low is really high out there because the actual climate, it's super humid. It doesn't freeze. Freezing weather kills parasites. What causes low iq, high parasite load. Right. So you have a group of people who evolved in a place where they could hunt, have a lot of women. So they're going to have low parental investment and those children are going to die often because they have high parasite loads.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And they have. Imagine your body has a defense budget, kind of like the US military. And let's say being smart costs $90 billion and being physically fit cost $90 billion. But you were born with $100 billion and that's what your genetic budget is. What's your body going to allot that to? It's going to depend on your surroundings. So you have people who had access to cows and all these big animals and they had to develop physical fitness to hunt these big animals, but they didn't develop the mental faculties. Doesn't make them bad. That was the necessary condition to survive in their ecology. Now let's go to Korea, where I'm, where my parents are from in Korea. It's freezing. Gee, you're not going to find big animals roaming around. There's low resource acquisition proximity. So you're not going to go catch something big and feed a bunch of girls with it. You might catch a bunny. How many girls are you going to feed a bunny? You could barely feed yourself, so you have to pick one girl. So genetically, the women were breeded over thousands of years, evolutionarily selected, sexually selected to be more beautiful and to be more intelligent. Now what's the first marker of advanced civilization? Agriculture. If you have a low access to animals, if you can only catch a couple bunnies and you have to breed them, then obviously you need to be kind of selective. You can't just eat all the bunnies at one time or you're cooked for the winter. Right. You have to start agriculture, which starts in advanced society. And over thousands of years they become very smart. Look at the average Asian guy. They're not very big. You and I are kind of like outliers. We're kind of like mutants, right? Yeah, most of them are not very big, but they're all programming like Nvidia chips, bro. Okay, look at the average basketball team. How many Asians do you see? None. It's mostly black guys. These guys are more physically fit than us. We are more mentally fit. So this is the difference. I'm not saying that one is better than the other. These are value judgments. People will call this kind of research racist. I didn't come up with this research. I read the data. Yeah, you know, and part of leftist ideology, part of how to radicalize fanaticism, how to create issues, is to actually personalize issues. So when Arthur Jensen came up with the first data on race based IQ differences, they called it Jensenism. Rather than combating his findings, they just called it racist. And they said, oh, you're a Jensenist. You, oh, you're on that Jensen timing, bro. You know, so there's a lot I could say about this. But IQ is so important. And when average IQ has been declining for the last 200 years, when our Victorian counterparts 200 years ago had higher fluid intelligence than us today, that says a lot. If our I, if general intelligence keeps declining, civilization will collapse. Everyone's going to be slow on that Italian brain rot. Watching only fans and just running around on some mutant timing, bro. Yeah, I miss the golden age where we had philosophers, we had scientists popping out of the woodworks. The enlightenment period. Bro, I miss it too. Yes.

[B]

So if it gets below 80 out here, do you think civilization will collapse? If the average IQ is below 80.

[A]

Points, the civilization as we know it, Western civilization will collapse. You won't have Tokyo, you won't have Seoul. You won't have these beautiful cities that require extreme sophistication. You will see the fall of man as we know it. We will become tribal. Some people might like that, you know, Some people might thrive in that setting. Personally, I like Louis Vuitton. I don't want to live in a mud hut. So I think it's advantageous for people who enjoy the fruits of Western culture to fight for the fruits of Western culture. And that involves raising our children correctly, giving them the right role models, making sure that everything runs smoothly. You know, civilizational collapse is cyclical. Most civilizations, most kingdoms, last for about 200 to 250 years. Now, this is kind of an interesting concept right here. Natural selection. We're all under the pressures of natural selection. You and I are constantly mutating every second we're alive. You and I are mutating right now because parasites, because epigenetics, our surroundings are causing our DNA to mutate, even duplication of cells. Every time your cells duplicate, which is constantly, they're going to make little errors here and there. So what happens is you're course correcting naturally your social behavior, because your actual behavioral expression is a product of your genetics. Your genetics are like a code, and your behavior is a product of that code. So if that code is changing slowly and you want to, you want to survive in a sophisticated society, you have to course correct your behavior to fit in it. The issue is, when you become a super elite, when you're uber rich, you're like the king of society. You're no longer under the pressure of sexual selection or natural selection. You don't have to behave a certain way to be accepted anymore. People will just take you as you are. So you continue to mutate without course correcting. So what we start to see at the emergence of a civilization is the gap between the working class, the proletariat, and the ruling class is not that far apart. Yeah, one might have a bunch of horses and a bunch of concubines, but there's not a huge difference between the two. They're both humans. When you look at today's society, the difference between me and Elon Musk is crazy. Yeah, like this man has spaceships. We're not in the same way.

[B]

A Trillionaire soon.

[A]

That's unbelievable. That's. No one man should have all that power. Kanye West. So the point I want to drive home is that as a civilization advances and the gap between the working class and the ruling class becomes more separate, it's like the difference of a God and an ant in actual power. And you have these people who are mutating constantly and not course correcting because they're no longer pressured by social selection, sexual and natural selection. And young people like us who want to be successful want to emulate the people we look up to, the leaders, the rich people in society. So we start emulating their mutated behaviors. So the lower classes become mutated. They become despotic. They become all these weird, degenerate people. So the. The top starts eating itself. The bottom starts eating itself. And you see demoralization. There are three pillars to civilizational collapse. Mass inflation. Mass immigration. Demoralization. This is the demoralization part we're talking about. And you're seeing it, bro.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

We're mass inflated. Our dollars aren't worth anything anymore. We got to switch over to crypto. Mass immigration. You know what happened during Joe Biden. Demoralization. Everybody's on, only fans. We're seeing the end if we don't turn it around quickly. Damn. That's why IQ matters. That's why intelligence matters. That's why caring matters.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

This is big. This is 500 years in the future. I'm thinking in the future. You know, I want. I want civilization to thrive, bro. I want Louis Vuitton to have hover carts in 500 years.

[B]

I see the Rolex.

[A]

Thank you very much. Is that a. For my uncle? This is a day date, okay? Not the Tiffany. This is the ice blue fluted bezel.

[B]

I was going to say the Tiffany one's like a million dollars.

[A]

I don't got a million. No, no. This is not the Tiffany watch.

[B]

You mentioned Kanye earlier and good role models. Is he someone kids should take information from?

[A]

That's a really good question, bro. I think that kids need to be necessarily taught how to recognize the difference between good and bad information. There are times when good sources might come to you with bad information.

[D]

There's this new technology floating around that people cannot stop talking about. It's called the light system. Before you roll your eyes. It's not some gadget you strap on or supplement that promises the world. Every once in a while, I come across something that actually stops me in my tracks. And the light system is one of those things. This isn't a supplement. It's not a biohack. It's a full on energy environment built to help your mind and body synchronize, recharge, and operate at a higher level. It uses light patterns, color frequencies, and coherent energy fields, all the stuff that your body naturally responds to to create a coherent, energetic field around you. People are saying they feel more clear, more centered, more aligned in their environment. And honestly, the science behind it is fascinating as I've seen a lot of wellness tech. But the numbers coming out on this new study of the light system are actually insane. Researchers measured human sheik cells before and after sitting in front of a system. And get this, a 30 minute session boosted cellular conductivity by 61%. The study even showed increased conductivity in isolated DNA, which is associated with stronger structure and better repair pathways. The result? More clarity, more balance, and more alignment. You could save $500 now if you go to thelightsystems.com and use discount code.

[A]

Sean, there might be times when bad sources will come to you with good information. You have to be able to discern piece by piece. And I encourage kids to learn the scientific method, to learn Aristotelian logic and run everything through that and interpret things through that lens. Because sometimes Kanye west says the most intelligent thing I've ever heard. You know, one of my favorite clips of Kanye, he's in the airport, he's walking, and a paparazzi comes up to him and they say, kanye, are you getting into the fashion industry? And he said, am I getting into the fashion industry? Do you see this coat? You know, that's not that intelligent, but it's inspiring. It's beautiful. I like that energy, bro. Yeah. I think that confidence is like a superpower. He's like a walking superhero, G. Yeah. And kids can't discern between good and bad information. It's not about the source so much. It's about case by case, learning what's good. So when Kanye comes out with hh, is that something kids should take seriously and run around and go and salute Hitler? Probably not. Yeah. Well, when Kanye tells you you should be yourself, you should believe in yourself, be the best you can be. That's a great role model. So it's case by case. Never trust a source. 100%.

[B]

Agreed. People have this blind loyalty towards these celebrities and people they look up to.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they want to believe. Even the president. Like, they want to agree with every single thing, you know.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's not good.

[A]

Right. And I love Kanye West. Let me just be clear. That man gave us graduation 808s and heartbreak. Yeezus, the life of Pablo. Yay. Kids see ghost a late registration College dropout bangers. Donda Jesus is king. This man dropped hits on us. G. Brother, there's music that Kanye made that makes me cry, bro. That man's a genius. He's like Michelangelo in the flesh. Walt Disney.

[B]

Google shout out to Kanye.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Hope to get him on one day.

[A]

I'm sure you will, bro.

[B]

Yeah, that'd be sick.

[A]

That'd be tough.

[B]

Let's close off with the CIA.

[A]

All right, man, what do you think.

[B]

Of all these former CIA officers going on podcasts?

[A]

Dude. Okay, Andrew Bustamante. I don't know if I'm saying his name right. That's controlled opposition, G. Yeah. You really? Okay, I know real spooks. First of all, when you know a real spook, no matter how close the AR to you, they're not going to tell you they're a spook or they worked for the intelligence community, they're going to lie to you. I'm going to give you the keys right here. They all say the same thing. Oh, yeah. They all say, oh, I work telecommunications in Southeast Asia. It's like, oh yeah, buddy, okay. I'm sure that's true. They, they come up with these elaborate hoaxes and kind of plots. Most of these guys are not advertising that they work for the CIA. So when you have somebody come out and try to kind of bleach the CIA and be like, nah, dude, we were chill, bro. That's Cap.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The CIA is responsible for probably some of the worst atrocities on this planet.

[B]

Agreed.

[A]

If you want to boil down what's happening in this country, the demoralization campaign, where is that? How who's operating that? Is this happening naturally? Yes. But is there something helping it perniciously happen at an advanced rate?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The foreign intelligence community, which works with our domestic intelligence community, there's an overlap. Imagine a three way Venn diagram where you have CIA, you have foreign intelligence and you have deep state. You have people who exist in all different parts of the bubble. There are CIA members who are patriots, they love this country. There are people who work for the CIA who are double agents who serve foreign interests. Then you have people who are foreign interests that serve our interests. Then you have the ones that serve the deep state. So there's no selling where the alliances lie. But at the end of the day, bro, look at what happened in the Cold War. This is what led to the problems in this country. You know, we were so afraid of Russia beating us when we should have been more focused on teaming up with them, bro. If America and Russia joined together, we'd be the most powerful force on earth. Why is Ukraine Russia happening today? Because the CIA went into Ukraine multiple times starting I believe in 2006 with the, with the, the Orange Revolution, then the Maidan Revolution in 2014 and we installed Zelensky. You know, we have a long record of doing this. We went in Iran and we overthrew their democratically installed leader. And now we have the situation we're dealing with today. The CIA is infamous for trying to overthrow other countries leaders, install a Western sympathetic leader and it always backfires. G. The CIA even did MK Ultra. These guys in the 60s and 70s were giving Charles Manson LSD at Planned Parenthoods. They were like, hey homie, we got a little thing for you come through. You know what I mean? Yeah. And how was he getting out of prison so many times? How to get out of jail like 20 times? Because he was a CIA asset. They wanted to create a race war through Charles Manson. The CIA was literally Operation Midnight Climax. They set up these brothels and bordellos with double sided mirrors and a john would go in to get with a hooker and she would slip him something and he started tweaking on lsd. He'd Zeke out, bro, you know what I mean? And they were studying the effects, they were watching this. And at the end of the day, what empirical scientific data are you going to watch and get from a john with a prostitute high on lsd? These guys were having fun with black operations, doing weird degenerate stuff. And that's the tip of the iceberg. These guys have traumatized children. These guys have traumatized unknowing subjects. They've done it all over the world. They've pumped LSD mist into South Korean air.

[B]

What? I didn't hear about that one.

[A]

The CIA is out here doing weird stuff. G. Now for the CIA operative watching this that's about to be very angry at me. I respect you and I like you and I want you to get your paycheck. G, I'm not hating on you. I'm hating on the corruption and the misuse and abuse of power. These guys have been given the power of God. They have. The CIA was created as a solution to the OSS. I think in 1949. The President can't just call a hit on someone or it could come back to him. So you need a wall of plausible deniability, right? So the CIA was created so that they could operate hits with an actual wall of anonymity. He doesn't know who does the hit. The President. Whoever calls it. When he calls a covert action, he doesn't know how they're going to do it or when they're going to do it. So if some CIA guy or some patsy that they hired or got high on LSD and brainwashed into being a serial killer goes out and whacks a political figure, the President can be like, oh, that was crazy. I had no idea about that. The CIA can deny it too. It's the wall of plausible deniability. Now when you have this unchecked system and this culture revolving where the CIA is like, why should we tell the President what's going on? Why should we tell Congress? They don't know how to do what we're doing. These guys are a bunch of goombas. They don't know what's going on. Then the President's like, these guys are out of control. They have black operations. The Director of National Intelligence doesn't even have access to look at all of the black operations. So over decades, as this kind of radicalizes and gets worse, it goes way off the ramps and they start doing weird tests on, like, basset hounds. G. What? This is going too far.

[B]

Dogs.

[A]

I want to be clear. The NIH actually did tests on basset hounds.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Where they were having mosquitoes inject them. They would give the mosquito. Yeah. It's messed up, bro.

[B]

Come on. They're so innocent.

[A]

I love dogs.

[B]

Anyone who hurts you, okay?

[A]

Yeah, I can wrap my head around.

[B]

Yeah, I could wrap my head around.

[A]

But if you hurt a dog, bro, that should be subject for execution. G. Yeah. Let's crucify anyone that hurts an animal.

[B]

Facts and other Asian saying this.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know, we. We eat them over there, but not out here.

[A]

You like otters, bro?

[B]

I've never had an otter. Do they eat those in Korea?

[A]

No, no, no. I would never eat an otter. That's my favorite animal. J. No, no, no. Okay.

[B]

I think they're cute, though.

[A]

Yes. They're so cute. I want to shout out Hana and Kotaro my favorite otters on YouTube. That's like the most wholesome thing I do. After consuming all this CIA stuff and occult knowledge, I gotta just chill out and watch some otter videos.

[B]

G. That's funny, bro.

[A]

That's so funny.

[B]

I do want to get your opinion on John Kiriku.

[A]

You got to tell me about him.

[B]

Oh, you haven't seen this guy? I'm not familiar, former CIA, but people think he's. He got locked up. You should look into his story. It's pretty crazy. He got locked up for exposing the CIA.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And now he's going on a lot of pods, so.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I'm trying to see where you got to. It's like a puzzle, you know? You got to see how it fits.

[A]

I'm going to look into it, and hopefully we can do a part two and I'll come to you with my new finding.

[B]

Sounds good. Well, dude, this was a blast.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You're Vegas. Hit me up. Thank you for another episode.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Guys, he's got a great show. We'll link it in the video.

[A]

Yes, sir.

[B]

See you in the Bugatti.

[A]

Yes, sir. I'm Justice Smith with Proverbs Media Group. We're coming up next. Christian Conservative News. We got what you're looking for. Thank you, Sean Mike Kelly for bringing me on the show. God bless you.

[B]

Check him out. He's got great concept. Peace, guys.

[D]

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[B]

Thank you.