JW Lucas vs Gary The Numbers Guy: Is AI the Key to Humanity's Survival or Its Downfall? | DSH #1481

Summary

Podcast Summary: Digital Social Hour Episode: JW Lucas vs Gary The Numbers Guy: Is AI the Key to Humanity's Survival or Its Downfall? | DSH #1481
Release Date: August 8, 2025
Host: Sean Kelly
Guests: Gary "The Numbers Guy" and JW Lucas

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1. Introduction and Personal Dynamics

Timestamp: 00:01 - 00:35

The episode kicks off with Gary and JW Lucas engaging in a heated exchange about personal discipline, particularly in relationships. Gary criticizes JW's commitment, suggesting a lack of discipline, while JW defends his fidelity and expresses aspirations to marry his partner, who is supportive of Gary.

Notable Quote:

• Gary (00:01): "I am not disciplined when it comes to working out. You're not disciplined with women."
• JW Lucas (00:06): "I've never cheated in my life. My woman is head over heels in love with me, wants to be married."

2. Societal Critiques: Feminism and Institutional Decay

Timestamp: 02:15 - 05:03

The conversation shifts to a critical analysis of contemporary social movements like Black Lives Matter (BLM) and intersectional feminism. JW Lucas attributes societal issues to propaganda and the Frankfurt School's influence, suggesting these movements are part of a deliberate strategy to undermine American exceptionalism.

Notable Quotes:

• JW Lucas (02:23): "We're looking at a problem with the rise in anti-Semitism which relates to a fracturing in our society."
• Gary (03:11): "They had to nurture that... when women got the right to vote. It's all leading up to something."

3. The Role of Big Corporations and Fascism

Timestamp: 03:32 - 07:00

JW Lucas discusses the influence of big tech and pharmaceutical corporations, arguing they possess more power than the government. He controversially advocates for a form of fascism, likening it to the philosopher-king concept of Socrates, while acknowledging the atrocities committed by historical fascist figures like Hitler.

Notable Quotes:

• JW Lucas (04:20): "There's a problem with big tech... being bigger than the government."
• Gary (04:09): "Do you believe we live in a fascist government right now?"
• JW Lucas (05:00): "He could be the modern Hitler."

4. Numerology, Astrology, and Personal Success

Timestamp: 10:00 - 17:20

Gary introduces numerology and astrology as pivotal tools for personal and financial success. He claims a correlation between birthdates and wealth, citing influential figures born on specific dates. JW Lucas remains skeptical, questioning the scientific basis of numerology and emphasizing objective reality over mystical beliefs.

Notable Quotes:

• Gary (12:10): "According to ChatGPT, men are similar to women."
• JW Lucas (17:03): "You have better things... But you're not going to look like that in 30 years."

5. Sports Betting and Predictive Claims

Timestamp: 37:10 - 93:00

Gary and JW engage in a debate over sports betting accuracy. Gary boasts about a high success rate in predicting game outcomes, including significant wins and subsequent bans from platforms. JW challenges these claims, urging for empirical evidence and highlighting the pitfalls of small sample sizes in betting predictions.

Notable Quotes:

• Gary (37:22): "I manage people who are... I'm the Jordan in my field."
• JW Lucas (91:14): "Everything you speak about is unfalsifiable. It's not actual science."

6. The AI Singularity and Its Implications

Timestamp: 26:00 - 28:00

JW Lucas elaborates on the concept of the AI singularity, predicting a point where artificial intelligence surpasses human intelligence, leading to rapid technological advancements. He envisions a future with universal basic income (UBI) and ubiquitous surveillance to maintain societal order.

Notable Quotes:

• JW Lucas (26:08): "We're approaching the AI singularity... unbeatable technologies will emerge."
• Gary (27:19): "AGI is the devil."

7. Personal Development, Masculinity, and Parenting

Timestamp: 43:00 - 75:00

The dialogue delves into definitions of masculinity, the importance of discipline, and the impact of single parenthood. Gary emphasizes traditional family structures and personal responsibility, while JW advocates for personal sacrifice and development despite personal setbacks, like separation from his child.

Notable Quotes:

• Gary (50:17): "When it comes to the gym, I don't look like you."
• JW Lucas (74:55): "She's two years old... I'm going to be an incredible fighter father."

8. Concluding Remarks and Future Prospects

Timestamp: 75:00 - End

As the episode nears its end, the guests continue to clash over their differing worldviews. Gary asserts his success and influence in numerology and sports betting, challenging JW to prove his claims. Despite ongoing tensions, both express a desire to influence and impact their respective audiences.

Notable Quotes:

• Gary (80:31): "I'm the Jordan in my field. So here's the thing..."
• JW Lucas (86:33): "We should be cooperating instead of competing with each other."

Final Thoughts:

The episode presents a stark contrast between Gary "The Numbers Guy" and JW Lucas, highlighting deep-seated disagreements on topics ranging from personal discipline and societal structures to the validity of numerology and the future of artificial intelligence. The conversation underscores the polarization present in contemporary discourse, emphasizing the challenges of bridging ideological divides.

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Note: This summary paraphrases and sanitizes certain explicit language and derogatory remarks from the original transcript to ensure compliance with content policies and readability.

Transcript

[Gary]

I am not disciplined when it comes to working out. You're not disciplined with women. If you have a woman, I don't want to listen.

[JW Lucas]

I've never commit. I've never cheated in my life. My woman is head over heels in love with me, wants to be married. I want to marry her.

[Gary]

At some point, I hope I get an invitation to the wedding.

[JW Lucas]

I'd love to. And she's a fan of yours as well. She loves listening to you shout out to her.

[Sean Kelly]

All right, guys, got another debate for y'.

[Gary]

All.

[Sean Kelly]

We got Gary the numbers guy and JW Lucas here. How's it going, fellas?

[JW Lucas]

It's going incredible, man. We're all so blessed to be alive right now in the golden era of American exceptionalism, the revival period.

[Gary]

Not everyone's so blessed in this world, but I'm happy. Me and you are.

[Sean Kelly]

You two agree on a lot.

[Gary]

Actually, when you say bless, I have to check people on that, because when you say bless, it actually means be less. I didn't check myself on that. I need to stop saying that myself. So in public, don't actually say less, because that actually tells people, be less.

[JW Lucas]

I mean, in this world, your belief, your subconscious belief, the entropy, meaning the level of certainty to your beliefs, is the main factor and what shifts your reality, you know, around your beliefs. So if you believe that using certain particular words is going to prevent you from achieving certain things, bring obstacles into your life, you're going to get what you're looking for. You know, there's a group of neurons in the brain called the reticular activating system that allows us to chunk in on what we're interested in. So if you have the victim mentality and you think that by speaking particular words, you're going to be affected, you're going to get what you're looking for. Not really propose, not really the victor mentality.

[Gary]

Well, listen, no matter what you believe in, no matter what I believe in, one plus one is always going to equal two. So people have a warp reality of what they believe in.

[JW Lucas]

Objectivity.

[Gary]

No, one plus one is always going to be two. That's not objectively.

[JW Lucas]

That's objective.

[Gary]

How's that objective?

[JW Lucas]

Because it's not up to subjective opinion. This is objectively true.

[Gary]

It's a fact. It's a fact.

[JW Lucas]

It's a Plutonian form.

[Gary]

No matter what, no matter what you and me believe, that's always going to be a fact. It'll never change.

[JW Lucas]

Objectivity, whatever. As opposed to subjectivity, lived experience, purpose. But, you know, in. In our present Time. Subjective opinion precedes objectivity. Give me an example when, when someone says that because of the color of their skin, police are hunting them down in the street. That's not objectively true when you look at the statistics.

[Gary]

Maybe it's not, maybe it's not true in Florida, maybe it's not true in la, but it might be true in Alabama in certain there you go instances.

[JW Lucas]

And this is the point. We can't have a revolution in the streets. 2020 Allah, BLM. That damn near burns the country down and, and brings forth a postmodern neo Marxist revolution under pseudo reality truths. This is the nature of, of apophenia.

[Gary]

Talking about Black Lives Matter.

[JW Lucas]

Apophenia is a psychological condition where people spot patterns, connections and uncorrelated circumstances or events. You know, and this is the fundamental principle of propaganda. This is how groups like blm, intersectional feminist movements use propaganda to hijack the minds of American citizens and condition them towards the victim mentality, towards aligning with these grievance groups that, that have been metastasizing since the sexual.

[Gary]

But that had to, that had to nurture. They had to nurture that. First they had to bring in feminism, then they had to make sure the feminists turn into fucking whores who are single mothers. You need a combination of everything. Because what you said right there would not be true if they didn't initiate their plan in the very beginning, in 1920s, 1930s, when women got the right to vote. It's all leading up to something.

[JW Lucas]

So the problem of the long march through the institution, institutions. This is the communist philosophers like Herbert Marcuse, Theodora Adorno, all the Frankfurt School philosophers that were brought to America after World War II by the predecessors of the CIA, the OSS. America could never claim dictatorship authoritarian control over the masses. After the Nazi party did what they did. America had to figure out a way to cloak communism. And they've done it with fascism, which is government and corporate and corporate and state interest.

[Gary]

Do you believe we live in a fascist government right now?

[JW Lucas]

No. I think we need to get towards a fashion.

[Gary]

Oh, you want, you want fascism?

[JW Lucas]

There's a problem with big tech, big pharmaceutical corporations being bigger than the government.

[Gary]

Do you want fascism?

[JW Lucas]

Yes, I do.

[Gary]

Okay.

[JW Lucas]

I think, I think we're better off under the Socrates notion of the philosopher king.

[Gary]

So you agree with. Not you again. You agree with Hitler, who was a.

[JW Lucas]

Fascist in, in certain instances, obviously he was an incredible order. And, and what he did was atrocious. To hunt down and, and generalize an entire race of People, just as I said, there are problems when, when we talk about this rise of.

[Gary]

Is he a cemetery? Is he a hero of yours?

[JW Lucas]

No, he's not.

[Gary]

Okay, just making sure.

[JW Lucas]

An incredible speaker. Yeah, I think agreed. For, for the times. When you look at the degeneration of Weimar Germany in those times, the parallels.

[Gary]

Of today, when he burned all the books or homosexual books and all. People don't know about that. I get it.

[JW Lucas]

That gets rewritten over, of course, by the winners of history. But in terms of the parallels with today, we're looking at a problem with the rise in anti Semitism which, you know, relates to this, this fracturing in our society, which, which we can call a resentment crisis. Where there, there's the woke right now with the incels. Like woke right. The woke right. Which, the parallels that overlap with the woke left, which is intersectional fe movements like blm, the postmodern neo Marxists that are trying to bring forth this, this counter hedge hegemony.

[Gary]

But you, you kind of sound like Nick Fuentes right now. What you're saying is pretty much what he says.

[JW Lucas]

No, I don't.

[Gary]

And I, I, I'm telling you what I'm thinking. I'm looking at him and I'm seeing you're saying the same thing he is.

[JW Lucas]

And there's an elegance in the communication. And you know, just because there's pros associated with an individual doesn't mean that the cons that they're bringing to the table don't override the positive things that they're doing. When you're using vile language like the N word, when you're, when you're, I use the N word all the time placing hatred.

[Gary]

How is that hatred?

[JW Lucas]

Using the N word.

[Gary]

How's that hatred?

[JW Lucas]

Because of the history of the word, the word in the human.

[Gary]

I think if you say with the er, that's hatred, but if you say it with the air at the end, that's like me saying what's up, my dude?

[JW Lucas]

And I, and I believe it's dependent. And obviously if it's a term of endearment, then, then it's acceptable there you go around with people using the word towards you. It, it, it's justifiable to use it in, in your vocabulary. But when you're using it to get attention on social media, like, like Tate's doing right now, it's saying the er, the hard er, just to get a little viral action. These type of things is fueling degeneracy.

[Gary]

Tate's a no good pimp who got successful because he pimped out women and then he had a good fucking mouthpiece, quite frankly. Is mouthpiece in the game.

[JW Lucas]

He could be the modern Hitler.

[Sean Kelly]

All right, guys, Sean Kelly here, host of the Digital Social Hour podcast, just filmed 33amazing episodes at Student Action Summit. Shout out to Code Health, you know, sponsor these episodes, but also I took them before filming each day. Felt amazing. Just filmed 20 episodes straight and I'm not even tired, honestly. So I would say they're very unique. It's going to be the future of health and medicine. Code Health has been awesome.

[Gary]

Feel the drop and go code yourself.

[JW Lucas]

In terms of the greatest order of our time, he's incredibly entertaining in his delivery, the precision.

[Gary]

You just call Tate nitwer because of.

[JW Lucas]

His capacity to speak to the public. He's very entertaining. His storytelling, his diction, these type of things. But as you said, you know, Tate became regal with fame. I believe he's developed. He's refined himself over time. In his initial upcoming, he was a vile pimp, you know, that exploited women for their labor. He, he, the. The lover boy method is insidious. Promising girls that. That you're going to change their life by tricking off on them. Being in the club with the watch and having cars and all this degenerate modern corporate culture points to, to lure them out of their country, alienate them from their family, and then use his tactic that he shared in his Pimp and hose degree course, where he has his assistant come in, say that he was contacted by a member from her town, that she's a whore, threatens to cut her off. Now that she's alienated, now she's vulnerable and leveraged to go on cam and do prostitution, these type of things. It's one thing if you're transparent and you tell the girl, hey, I got money, I'm doing this, and that I can provide resources for you, protection. You're going to make money through. Through my platform, and we're going to split the profits, whatever it is, 50, 50, 20%. Whatever managerial fee he takes is different from, you know, convincing women that he's going to wife them, throwing them the black card, taking them shopping. He's essentially a glorified trick.

[Gary]

I mean, listen, I'm not going to sit here and defend Andrew Tate. He was the one who was sending me, I think it was 218 before he got famous. He was sending me DMs to, like, promote his pimping course. He's like, yo, easy 25, Rex, bro, I'm not into Degeneracy. I don't do that. Only fan. If I wanted to, I would have had 150 horrors under me with only fans. I don't do that because you have to answer to somebody. At the end of the day. I'm not gonna do that.

[JW Lucas]

Well, we're getting back to objectivity.

[Gary]

That's not objective.

[JW Lucas]

Characteristics.

[Gary]

That's not objectivity. That's not objective. Because karma is real. Karma is real. You do anything wrong, it's gonna come back to you at some point, bro. Doesn't matter how rich, how, how smart, what, you know, if you do bad things, they'll come back to you. Karma is not objective. It's real.

[Sean Kelly]

Do you believe in karma, Lucas?

[JW Lucas]

Yeah. Karmic retribution is real. The positive and negative consequences. I believe that if your goals involve many people beyond. Beyond your own interests, you increase the probability for success. You know, if you're concerned with the, with the modern incel. Crisis, for instance, the, the reason why you and Tate were interconnected and, and a lot of these guys, Myron Fuentes, is because of the problem with incels and voluntary celibacy. Men can't get anymore. So there was.

[Gary]

You're telling me, you're telling me, you're telling me Andrew Tate can't get.

[JW Lucas]

He couldn't get. Stop the kids before he could. He's. He's not a good looking dude.

[Gary]

Okay, okay.

[JW Lucas]

He's average. He fought. He could get some girls here and there, but there's levels to.

[Gary]

To it. There's levels to make fall in love.

[JW Lucas]

One thing getting, you know, getting some. Some thoughts in the club to come back and give you. It's another, another thing to have actual intimacy with the woman. Don't you believe that?

[Gary]

I've been married. I've been married for over 20 years, bro. I've been married for 20 years. I got kids, bro. So I don't, I don't do that. Degenerate. But to say a guy like, you know, Myron and a guy like Tate can't get anything. Okay, okay, whatever.

[JW Lucas]

We go in the club and he.

[Gary]

Said he's a multi millionaire. He's a tall guy. I'm sure he can.

[JW Lucas]

And he's not a good looking dude and he's a dork and he has no, he has no capacity to defend a woman.

[Gary]

Why would he defend it? Why would he defend a woman in.

[JW Lucas]

In any type?

[Gary]

For what reason?

[JW Lucas]

In. In terms of her well being. What type of man wants a zombie for a woman? All women. Even though we know women have proclivities for Multitasking because of know the corpus colosum is bigger in women, allows them to use the right and left side of the brain. Multitask in the house.

[Gary]

Men are smarter than.

[JW Lucas]

When you look at overlapping bell curve distributions, men and women are generally the same IQ hovering, you know, plus or minus one standard deviation of the mean of 100.

[Gary]

You think men and women have the same IQ level IQ? Look it up.

[JW Lucas]

We got a fact they're roughly the same at 100, but the difference is that men's distribution on the bell curve is much flatter, meaning men occupy both ends of the spectrum. We're the dumbest in society and the smartest and the smartest men in society are the ones that are being oppressed through these DEI mechanisms.

[Sean Kelly]

He actually is right. So according to ChatGPT, men are similar to woman.

[Gary]

Oh, I would. I would question that just because of my life experience. Listen, I. Your life experience, I'm going to tell you this. I'm going to tell you this. With the exception of women who are born on the 7th, 16th, 25th, I don't think much of women's intelligence. I think they're a bunch of morons in all honesty. And they rely too much on emotion and not enough on logic. You've seen too many stories out there where women say, yo, my husband's a great guy, he's loyal, he does everything, but I'm just missing something. And then they divorce him. And then in six months, they're fucking mad. They divorced.

[JW Lucas]

What they're missing is consumption, power because of these inverted value structures. This is what I'm talking about. And the necessity for a cultural revolution where we're inverting the manipulated corporate value structure. Conspicuous consumption, being able to keep up with the Kardashians and get back to human rational values. Loyalty, feminism, intimacy.

[Gary]

So feminism is gone. Feminism is no good, of course. Outstanding.

[JW Lucas]

The modern woman is dog. We all know that. Women now. So what are one fifth of the women?

[Gary]

What is problem? What is the problem with what Myron says, though? What is what the problem with Myron says? Because he eventually says, what the hell you just said a second ago.

[JW Lucas]

The problem is, is that men are leaders. You look at our evolutionary response, our history, our responsibilities. Throughout our evolutionary history, men have always been the providers, the protectors.

[Gary]

Not now.

[JW Lucas]

Well, there's been an inversion because.

[Gary]

Why? Why?

[JW Lucas]

Because obviously these corporations want to be able to tax more workers. They want women in the workplace.

[Gary]

So it's feminism, right?

[JW Lucas]

It's really it.

[Gary]

Feminism.

[JW Lucas]

Feminism is one of the issues. It's all these grievance groups started to merge with the rise of Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement.

[Gary]

I get that.

[JW Lucas]

What happened with the student protesters of Vietnam?

[Gary]

What happened?

[JW Lucas]

Group started to merge in the 60s and this is part of what's called the march through the institution which was designed.

[Gary]

Feminism. Have. Feminists have kids. What happens?

[JW Lucas]

I would say they.

[Gary]

They have no fathers around.

[JW Lucas]

Tend to go to.

[Gary]

They have no fathers around to resort.

[JW Lucas]

Back to objectivity towards.

[Gary]

They have no fathers around. What does that mean?

[JW Lucas]

Culture.

[Gary]

Okay.

[JW Lucas]

Single parenthood.

[Gary]

Okay, so you agree with that. So here's the problem. These men who are supposed to be leaders, they weren't raised by any men. They were raised by women. No woman can teach a boy how to become a man.

[JW Lucas]

Exactly.

[Gary]

So when it comes. Hold on, let me finish, sir. Let me finish. So we can't actually demand because these men who are raised by single mothers are beta males. How are you going to ask them to do stuff that an alpha male does when they're betas?

[JW Lucas]

You're going to ask the leaders of society. The. Myron Gaines is the Fuentes.

[Sean Kelly]

I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm.

[JW Lucas]

Thank you. This is the people with platforms to demonstrate more morality, to have more objectivity, more morality ethics. Yes. You can't slander women and berate them and use these fucking petty tactics and expect them to follow your lead. Of course, as I identify.

[Gary]

I have never seen Myron slander a woman. He slanders whores. There's a big difference. Much, big difference.

[JW Lucas]

He promotes the idea that women should. Should sit there, shut the fuck up, not speak unless spoken to.

[Gary]

Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that.

[JW Lucas]

Intellectual endeavors, most shouldn't. So you don't think that your woman, your wife, who you claim to love more than anything, should be involved in your sense making and decision making?

[Gary]

Some decision making she's involved in. You asked me a question. You asked me a question. Let me answer it. When it comes to her personal decisions, what the kids eat, what the kids health, where we buy, what couches we buy, stuff around the house. She makes all the decisions around the house. Me as a man, I make enough money so my woman doesn't work. And because my woman doesn't work, she doesn't answer to any other man besides me. So I make sure my woman is at home. And because she doesn't work, she doesn't have stress. When she doesn't have stress, she's not masculine. That's what it comes down to. I want my woman at home. And guess what? When I do business with someone who comes over and does business at my house, my wife says hi, brings food to the table and leaves. Because men are doing business. Just like you're here. I'm here in our women aren't.

[JW Lucas]

No, my woman is right over there. Yeah, she want her involved in everything.

[Gary]

She's not on the micro, you're on the mic.

[JW Lucas]

Derived so much inspiration from her presence. The beauty, the intelligence, the morality.

[Gary]

Knows what he said first. Notice what he said first. He said beauty. Notice he said that first.

[JW Lucas]

Why women?

[Gary]

Exactly. So they are objective for their beauty, not their intelligence.

[JW Lucas]

More objectively beautiful in this world than the form of a woman.

[Gary]

Give it to me, bro. Of course we'll agree on that.

[JW Lucas]

Yes, but that's a limited perspective. Of course women, beauty isn't just skin deep.

[Gary]

That's what you just said. The first thing you said was beauty though. It wasn't intelligence, it was beauty.

[JW Lucas]

As, as Kanye says, there's nothing like a big breasted beautiful woman. The form of a woman is objectively true, you know, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have compassion for women given, given their, the, the male proclivity for dominance. All in the market, the free market. The masculine traits get selected for in the open market. Men are more analytical. We're more left brain thinking, you know, logical. We're, we're more linear thinking. We're able. The lateralization of our brain allows us to lock in and be isolated and develop our ourselves. To the extent that we're producing that, we're bringing forth products that create genuine interest in the market. This is the problem. We need a government that's big enough to bond the predatory aspects of the market. These corporate and pharmaceutical companies that are bigger than the government and hijacking our minds.

[Gary]

You do understand that fascism is the government and the fucking corporations together. So that's what you want.

[JW Lucas]

We need the best of us as Americans with our American first interests at hand controlling these corporate.

[Gary]

What's America first to you, Nick Fuentes? What's America first to you?

[JW Lucas]

America first to me is right now understanding the geopolitical spectrum, the effects of rapid urbanization after the Industrial revolution with inevitable demographic population collapse arising in every country but America. Essentially you take a look at China, a widely distributed agrarian culture where farmers were evenly distributed across the land. Now in the early 1900s when the industrial revolution took place and all the farmers were incentivized to Move into the city and work in the factories. When you're, when you're on the farm, it's profitable to have 12 to 14 kids. You put them to work, you feed them, it's profitable when you move into the city to work in the factories. It becomes a burden. So fertility rates started to plummet. America's maintained its replacement level. You know, two point through immigration and that's essential for American well being is immigration. We need the best and brightest in America. We need them to assimilate to American culture. I agree objectively.

[Gary]

Okay, no issues.

[JW Lucas]

What, which is what? Protestant Christianity, which is rugged individualism, which is pulling yourself up by the bootstraps, which is educating yourself, being on time. All these characteristics that during the 2020 color revolution, the, the BLM riots and shit, the Smithsonian Museum for African American History put out a pamphlet describing whiteness. You remember the term whiteness? Oh, that's whiteness. Whiteness, Whiteness, all this shit. These are all the characteristics that were labeled as whiteness. Being on time, the nuclear family unit.

[Sean Kelly]

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[Gary]

Interest shout out to 607 that would.

[JW Lucas]

Be got time was, you know BLM's leaders, Patrice Colors, Alicia Garza, they were all puppets of the season.

[Gary]

The homosexual lesbians who started Black Lives Matter, right?

[JW Lucas]

This is intersectional feminism. The belief that being black, being a woman, being transgender, being gay, are all intersecting streets of oppression that would allocate equity, equitable treatment.

[Gary]

Do you know why they did that? That's why they started calling them.

[JW Lucas]

This is what stagnates American exceptionalism. This is the long march through the institution.

[Gary]

This is why they called it. They started calling them colored people, not African Americans to basically bond them with the lgbt. It was a tactic. It was.

[JW Lucas]

Like I said, this all began in the 60s with the rise of Martin Luther King, which was righteous to some extent.

[Gary]

Even though he was a communist.

[JW Lucas]

His behavior and he was a communist, he was being blackmailed. This is The Epstein effect.

[Gary]

Maybe he was being blackmailed because he was a homosexual.

[JW Lucas]

No. He was, yes. He was.

[Gary]

His best friend, Clyde was a homosexual.

[JW Lucas]

More objectively, he was a sexual deviant. He was in the room while women.

[Gary]

All homosexuals are sexual deviants, sir.

[JW Lucas]

But. But the blackmail leverage they had on him was him being in the room while women were being. And he was laughing and it was recorded. So then obviously the communist agenda was pushed onto him. Now. Now in those times, racism was much more prevalent to today, you know, even though it was at the end of what was called the golden era in black America where the illiteracy rate went from like 2% to 50%.

[Gary]

That's when they had moms and dads, not baby mamas.

[JW Lucas]

And the single parenthood right in black America was about. Was about 25% where now it's 75%. This is the effects of the modern welfare system. Poverty, Lyndon B. Johnson being ushered in after the assassination of jfk. This is all part of the long march through the institutions, the Frankfurt school ideology to stagnate American exceptionalism. This is the stealth warfare tactics of our enemies. China, Russia. These type of countries don't want to see American exception.

[Gary]

If Russia is our enemy.

[JW Lucas]

But I wouldn't say they are either. They assimilate to American culture.

[Gary]

I say Russia is probably one of the closest countries to America world.

[JW Lucas]

I would agree.

[Gary]

And Russia and China, as I said before in this podcast, Sean, they're going to have a war in the future just like they had one in the 60s. It's going to happen.

[JW Lucas]

No, it's not.

[Gary]

Oh yes.

[JW Lucas]

China's done for. China's done for.

[Gary]

She's done for, that's for sure.

[JW Lucas]

In the next 10 to 20 years they're going to have an inevitable 50% collapse in population and standard of living because of these effects from rapid urbanization. As I said, they would have already moved on Taiwan if they were strong enough. They don't know how to even operate the semiconductor technology. Shout out to President Biden, even though he was.

[Gary]

Whoa.

[JW Lucas]

Exactly. And that's why I say it, because.

[Gary]

Shout out President Biden for simply passing this. For what? Stealing money? Listen, stealing money in Ukraine running a money laundering operation. What are we saying? For parting his fucking son was smoking crack cocaine with fucking horse. For what are we thinking about simply.

[JW Lucas]

Passing the Chips and Science act where we're investing 500 billion in local manufacturing of semiconductors so we're no longer the.

[Gary]

Bill depending on China bill that the Republicans forced on him.

[JW Lucas]

And it was the best thing he did. And it enabled the Republicans. And this is even evidenced in the restructuring of our naval fleet. We used to provide destroyer ships, to provide security for the cargo ships. See, after World War II, to prevent nuclear exchange, we had to create what's called the Bretton woods system. Globalization that made the dower interconnected supply chain, you know, and it was working until 1971. 1971 decoupled gold from the dower and.

[Gary]

Now we have the petrodaur.

[JW Lucas]

And the only reason he had to do that was because of the effects of stagnation. This is the effects of the sexual revolution and all these issues of the long march through the institution. This is how they collapsed.

[Gary]

American dollars, the petrol dollar has kept America on top since 1971. And if I may say, it's a much better system for America than Brennan woods was. I gotta say that.

[JW Lucas]

And I'm much better than Bitcoin. See, the dollar has been interruptably diluted since that point. And I believe anyone that's on cryptocurrency is a domestic terrorist to some extent. We need the dollar.

[Gary]

You can make that argument, you can.

[JW Lucas]

Make strong when we were quarterbacking Global affairs now, now back to the point of, of the Bretton woods agreement and, and how it allowed for peace since World War II, you know, in 1953. It's called the twin nuclear problem. We simultaneously discovered by splitting the neutron of an atom that, that we could create hydrogen bombs. And also the 3D double helix structure of DNA opened up bioweapon capacity. You saw what happened with COVID 19. It doesn't take much for a, a billionaire to fund research.

[Gary]

Shout out Bill Gates.

[JW Lucas]

No, not shout out.

[Gary]

Yeah, shout out Bill Gates.

[JW Lucas]

I don't fuck with Bill Gates.

[Gary]

That's the whole point. I just said shout out Bill Gates because he's the one who's doing it.

[JW Lucas]

But let's not conflate the viewers and, and think that we're shouting them out because he has financial success.

[Gary]

They know exactly what I'm shouting him out for.

[JW Lucas]

And I understand that. And your followers may understand, but we got to impact the masses. Like I said, Brother, about 10 of the population to get them to adopt this ideology and create a cascading effect.

[Gary]

10%.

[JW Lucas]

What's called the minority rule, okay?

[Gary]

We're a small group that worked in the past, individuals that worked in the past because ain't going to work today.

[JW Lucas]

Minority groups, not just skin color, minority opinion.

[Gary]

You're chopping all over the place, bro.

[JW Lucas]

Explaining and diagnosing 3%.

[Gary]

The 3% of the people who rose up against Great Britain and started the revolution and succeeded. That's not going to work in 2025. Even with 10, even with 20. Even with 30%. You know why? This ain't French Revolution style anymore. They got drones, bro.

[JW Lucas]

You got to drone this.

[Gary]

They will bomb the shit out of you.

[JW Lucas]

I don't understand the proximity. We are to the AI singularity, right?

[Gary]

AI is the devil.

[JW Lucas]

It's not. Yes, it is going to bring forth the socialist utopia post scarcity.

[Gary]

I've talked about that many times.

[JW Lucas]

Now listen, you understand that 2027 to 2029 we're going to reach the point of AGI where artificial intelligence exceeds human intelligence starts to recursively iteratively refine its own capacity to create technology. We're going to have cascading effects, exponential development rapidly in our technologies. Unimaginable technologies will emerge within days of this point.

[Gary]

And how many people are going to be out of jobs? How many people are going to be out of jobs? And all the people out of jobs go on their basic income. And then you have socialism.

[JW Lucas]

And this is the beauty of it now. Now when we have AGI. Ubiquitous surveillance, ever present surveillance and a system that doesn't prosecute you necessarily but looks to incentivize you towards objectively beautiful acts. Like holding the door open for someone, being respectful, working out, not being a burden to our healthcare system, Cardiovascular related illness, smoking cigarettes and obesity alone. If we're, if eradicated would allow for free health care for, for the global citizenry. These type of problems could be eradicated with ubiquitous surveillance. All the virtue signaling about pedophilia and child pornography would be eradicated. Eradicated if we had global.

[Gary]

You better talk to your boy Biden about that.

[JW Lucas]

I mean it is. I don't, I don't need to get into the degeneracy. We're, we're within an arm's reach of the AI singularity. Ray Kurzweil, the top futurist, has predicted all the technological advancement right on par with Moore's Law. The fact that we can double computational ability by reducing the size of transistors by 50% every two years. Also correlating with a 50% reduction in the cost of technology every two years. We're about to hit the point where that exponentiates compounds in an incomprehensible manner. Where we don't even have the capacity to imagine what type of technologies are going to emerge. Maybe you don. Now listen. This ties into the fundamental nature of reality. We are in a Virtual reality by definition and numerology.

[Gary]

Astrology. Prove it.

[JW Lucas]

No, it doesn't. It actually.

[Gary]

It actually proves numerology.

[JW Lucas]

It actually opposes the fundamental laws of reality.

[Gary]

Absolute garbage.

[JW Lucas]

Let's get into it. Listen. Hence the term from, from John Wheeler, the same guy that coined the term black hole. The term it from bit. If the universe emerged from bits of information. The universe isn't continuous, smooth, coherent. It's individual packets of information. Bits of information. Zeros and ones are the only legitimate numbers. Zeros and ones, one being binary code. Binary. And the top NASA physicist James Gates says that what befuddles him more than anything else in his findings is that when he's looking at equations, these adinkras that represent space time continuums, what he finds at the root of every phenomenon in the universe is self correcting linear binary code. Hamming code. The hamming code isn't considered sacred. They're digging to the fundamental. We can get down to the equivalent of the pixel. Reality is literally pixelated. It's called the Planck length, beyond which space and time cease to exist.

[Gary]

You don't believe in vibrations and energies.

[JW Lucas]

The point being is yes or no. All these physicists and mathematicians have dug down to the deepest fundamental layers of reality. The equivalent of the pixel. And they don't consider this sacred? They don't consider these.

[Gary]

Do you believe in energy? Yes or no? Do you believe in vibration?

[JW Lucas]

Energy and physics is simply information.

[Gary]

Do you believe in vibrational energy? And energy. And energy attracts.

[JW Lucas]

Yes or no in an esoteric sense. Okay, in a hermetic sense. In terms of.

[Gary]

Let's talk about what we talked about. Just talk about what we talked about before and cover it with the layer of numerology and astrology. You brought up Bretton Woods. When was Bretton woods signed? 1944-1944-1944-1944 is the year of the monkey. In Chinese astrology, America was founded in 1776. The Year of the Monkey comes once every 12 years. So then we talked about the Petrod Hour. Who. What other country is key in the petrodower system? Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia was also founded in a monkey year.

[JW Lucas]

What about Venezuela?

[Gary]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. We don't have a relationship with Venezuela. We have a relationship with Saudi Arabia. Stop. I'm not even talking about oil production. I'm talking about the petrol dollar. And Saudi Arabia is the reason America is still in power. Without the Saudis flushing those American petrol dollars all the time, this shit be cooked. It'll be absolutely cooked. So what you have there Is the Bretton woods deal that kept America on top starting the monkey year. Saudi Arabia, who we signed.

[JW Lucas]

Well, the intention was global peace.

[Gary]

So what I'm basically trying to tell you, what I'm showing you is energy attracts energy. And the people in positions of power use this. Vladimir Putin, he was an attraction. Hold on.

[JW Lucas]

Objects convergence.

[Gary]

I am showing you how this works. So let's go to it. Let's talk about the world leaders. President Xi, a snake born 1953, becomes the President of China and what? 2013. This is the year of the snake.

[JW Lucas]

What's his name looking like?

[Gary]

Let me finish.

[JW Lucas]

Looking pretty bad.

[Gary]

Let me finish. Let me finish. I'm not done.

[JW Lucas]

Do you think his prospects are going to improve over the next six months?

[Gary]

No, I don't. I think he had a stroke last year and he got pushed out of power. And the reason. Hold on.

[JW Lucas]

You're in a snake year?

[Gary]

I'm doing great.

[JW Lucas]

I don't think you're objectively on the rise. I think your prominence was bigger a year ago, two years ago.

[Gary]

Well, I mean, I did get an Achilles injury, so, you know, it is what it is. But the fact is that's bad luck.

[JW Lucas]

Gary.

[Gary]

I got 9 billion views. What do you got, pimp?

[JW Lucas]

Shit, I got 9 billion streams on Spotify from my production catalog, literally.

[Gary]

Is it you?

[JW Lucas]

It's.

[Gary]

Is it you? I'm getting paid to, brother.

[JW Lucas]

I'm getting paid much more money off the music than you are off of numerology. Are you even.

[Gary]

Are you even a millionaire?

[JW Lucas]

Yes.

[Gary]

Okay, Congratulations.

[JW Lucas]

I produce some of the biggest songs of all time, literally. I have over 6 billion streams on Spotify alone, over 9 billion streams across.

[Gary]

That is music. That is not people. Listening to your ideas, listening to what you think about life fun for me because of my mouth.

[JW Lucas]

And I'm here now speaking with you, and I'm on another level. And I'm more.

[Gary]

I don't think so.

[JW Lucas]

I am, objectively speaking, on personal development, I'm much more impactful than you. If we're left in a room with people, I'm gonna turn people up.

[Gary]

I'm the Michael Jordan of my field. There's many boxers, there's many officers. There's many people. I am the top of the game in my field. I am the Jordan in my field. So here's the thing. You might be better other things than me. You might be a better boxer. You might be better other things, but when it comes to this, I'm better at public speaking.

[JW Lucas]

I'm better at personal development. I'm more developed than you. I'm smarter than you.

[Gary]

I got smarter than me.

[JW Lucas]

Smarter than you. Objectively. Objectively, I'm much smarter than you. I'm much more creative. I'm much more. I'm objectively a better person than you.

[Gary]

Do you have babies? Yes, I have a daughter, but the same woman.

[JW Lucas]

With one woman.

[Gary]

With one woman. Okay. So that's the first place I go when people start talking like this. I want to see if they actually have baby mamas. Are you married?

[JW Lucas]

I'm not married.

[Gary]

So you have a woman out of a baby out of wedlock, unfortunately. So you have a baby mama and you're smarter than me?

[JW Lucas]

Yes. That doesn't. That doesn't prove intelligence.

[Gary]

I'll tell you what. I've been married for 20 years. Once you get to that milestone, when you're married for 20 years, then you can talk to me. Bro, I don't even know if you're going to be married in 10 years.

[JW Lucas]

Just marriage. Marriage is semantic.

[Gary]

It's not semantic.

[JW Lucas]

It's.

[Gary]

Did you make the right decision? Did you make the right woman if.

[JW Lucas]

You'Re not even allowing her to develop?

[Gary]

I married. I married a virgin. That's what I did. And I married a virgin. I didn't marry an American fucking whore with a whole big body count. I married a Muslim virgin from Russia. Yeah, bro, I live that life. I don't just talk about it.

[JW Lucas]

And that's fine. To valorize those type of characteristics. I'm more.

[Gary]

I don't share my woman with anybody, bro.

[JW Lucas]

In the inspiration, I. Neither do I. I'm the type of dude that if a woman meets me, she's head over heels.

[Gary]

I've inspired millions of people to get into numerology and astrology. I'm known worldwide, in Nigeria, hundreds of.

[JW Lucas]

Thousands of young men. To get in shape. Bro, you're not in shape.

[Gary]

You're right. Guess what. You're a dime a dozen. Andrew Tate does that.

[JW Lucas]

No.

[Gary]

Myron Gaines does that.

[JW Lucas]

Doesn't. They're not.

[Gary]

I should go on Instagram. You're a dime a dozen.

[JW Lucas]

Smarter than them. Objectively.

[Gary]

That's all you care about is look.

[JW Lucas]

No, I'm.

[Gary]

No, you're not.

[JW Lucas]

Yes.

[Gary]

No, you're not. Because if you were, if we had slaughtered. If you were smarter than them, you'd be higher up the food chain than them. You're not.

[JW Lucas]

And guess what? Tate got on quickly. Gains emerged quickly. These dudes are on a decline. I'm on a decline? Yes. Myron has millions of views. Who cares about views? It's about objectively, how are you going.

[Gary]

To race people without views? Exactly.

[JW Lucas]

It takes time.

[Gary]

It takes. So how come you haven't done it yet, bro?

[JW Lucas]

I'm here right now speaking to you and my time is coming.

[Gary]

This is probably the most clout you're gonna get. I get it.

[JW Lucas]

No, this is baby steps. I'm baby steps. I'm ascending. I'm the best in the world.

[Gary]

Speaking on personal development, this is a nine life path and a nine life path that I explained many times in this show. They're all about looks. When he talked about women, he talked about beauty. He said, oh, I look better than Myron Gaines. I look better. It's all about looks and fitness.

[JW Lucas]

Smarter. I'm a better person. I'm more compass.

[Gary]

Can you say you're a better person?

[JW Lucas]

I have, I have perhaps the most empathy of any individual. I.

[Gary]

And that makes you a better person.

[JW Lucas]

Empathy.

[Gary]

And that makes you a better person.

[JW Lucas]

The main correlation with high level thinkers. They're rigorously empathetic. They're, they're, they, they meet someone and, and they seek their perspective and they analyze.

[Gary]

So you seek validation through others. Congratulations.

[JW Lucas]

Seeking your perspectives. I'm analyzing your perspectives and I'm synthesizing them with my own. So I have a higher order understanding of the world. And I'm not closed off. I'm not a closed circuit feedback loop that's amplifying and interfering with the signal in a negative way. This is negative synergy.

[Gary]

A lack of negative synergy.

[JW Lucas]

A lack of diversity, a lack of shared meaning and breaking down.

[Gary]

Pretty smarter than everyone. You think you're better looking than everyone and you don't want to be challenged.

[JW Lucas]

I'm more sacrificial. I'm wholeheartedly sacrificial.

[Gary]

How many people have you put on?

[JW Lucas]

I put on a lot of people. Thousands.

[Gary]

Are people actually making money because. Yes. Or are they just in better shape? Know there's a lot of brokies in the gym, bro.

[JW Lucas]

In terms of, in terms of music. When I produced Exo Tour Life by Little Uzi, the eighth biggest song of all time. I see, I see a lot of young producers reached out to me for collaboration. Came, came across, I believe, rappers who.

[Gary]

Are talking about killing people. And you put them on and you think that's a good one.

[JW Lucas]

I was canceled in 2020, but then canceled too.

[Gary]

So what?

[JW Lucas]

Listen for speaking out against these.

[Gary]

You ever been debaked, bro?

[JW Lucas]

Bro, I.

[Gary]

Have you ever been suspended 24 times.

[JW Lucas]

I was, I was, I was.

[Gary]

What were you doing during the show.

[JW Lucas]

In 2020 when everyone was too to speak out against BLM putting black squares in their Instagram.

[Gary]

I protested against BLM. Did you go to Washington D.C. and counter protest BMM like I did? Did you go to the Chinese embassy?

[JW Lucas]

I'm an intellectual leader. I'm a thought leader.

[Gary]

Can't see the intellectualism general.

[JW Lucas]

What do you mean? Let's speak about the nature.

[Gary]

I don't see leadership here. What kind of general are you? You.

[JW Lucas]

You speak of life as if it's deterministic. I can explain the Schrodinger equation to you, which explains that reality is indeed probabilistic and the main factor in our outcomes isn't the day you were born. It's your willpower. It's your consciousness. It's your ability to make sense of the world.

[Gary]

Experience matters. You're right. 100 experience, quality of our choices matters. But guess what? You can tell things about people born on certain days. I've said this before, I'll say it again. If someone can disprove me, please do. Bill Gates, born on the 28th. 28 is the number of wealth. Elon Musk, born on 28th. Carlos Saleem, born on the 28th. You know what? Vanguard. Do you even know what Vanguard is? Vanguard.

[JW Lucas]

Vanguard. In terms of.

[Gary]

There you go.

[JW Lucas]

In terms of.

[Gary]

Do you know when Vanguard was founded?

[JW Lucas]

The vanguard class?

[Gary]

Do you know when it was founded?

[JW Lucas]

Vanguardism, like the elite.

[Gary]

When was Vanguard founded? It was founded. 5 1, 1975. Let's do the math together. 5, 1, 9.

[JW Lucas]

Blackrock.

[Gary]

Are you talking about Blackrock? The ones who own shit? There are 28.

[JW Lucas]

They started Leninism.

[Gary]

See, that's what you're fucking assuming things. I'm talking about numbers, okay? I'm talking about numbers.

[JW Lucas]

Vanguard is the Chinese equivalent to BlackRock.

[Gary]

And they are founded on the 28th day. The most valuable football, the most valuable business, the most valuable football franchise in the world are the Dallas Cowboys, found on the 28th. Don't tell me this don't matter because I can show you mathematically it does.

[JW Lucas]

Okay, what mathematician of. Of any quality, any physicist, is actually an advocate for numerology? Not one. Not one.

[Gary]

That's like saying. That's like saying.

[JW Lucas]

Validated that being born on the 28th would ensure wealth. Parents would intentionally have their kids on the.

[Gary]

Yeah, like. Like. You mean me? Like I had a kid intentionally in the 20th. And guess what? And guess what?

[JW Lucas]

You have confirmation.

[Gary]

Since I've done that. Since I've done that, I became a multimillionaire many times. You Know who else had a kid on the 28th? Vladimir Putin. Who's a fucking trillionaire. So go ahead, tell me whatever you fucking want, but the facts say different.

[JW Lucas]

This is you once again cherry picking unique instances.

[Gary]

I'm taking the richest people in the world, not Johnny down the block and I'm showing you there's a correlation there.

[JW Lucas]

If you want to bet money that there is not a statistical correlation of the wealthiest people in the world.

[Gary]

I already have it.

[JW Lucas]

Fact check it.

[Gary]

I already have it.

[Sean Kelly]

What do you want me to look up?

[JW Lucas]

Put up fact check whether being born on the 28th is a statistical correlation to having wealth in your life.

[Gary]

Put up how many people? 28th or billionaires?

[JW Lucas]

Scientific evidence?

[Gary]

No. Even better, no. Put up the top billionaires list and you'll see a whole bunch of people born on the 28th.

[JW Lucas]

Of the top 33, there's. There's four. And there, there is some coincidence.

[Gary]

Oh, some coincidence. I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what. I'm not talking to S. You can go talk to and then go talk to about that garbage. Okay, Talk to me about sense. So I'm telling confirmation bias, cognitive bias. Then you tell me that you use.

[JW Lucas]

To prey on the incels that you target. Let's start and he can tell me weak that need.

[Gary]

God, he just wants to argue. You don't actually want to have intellectual conversation. Let's hear it. So let's start. When does this start becoming a coincidence? 911 happened on 11. The first plane to hit the World Trade center was second stop.

[JW Lucas]

153.

[Gary]

Hold on, I'm not done. New York City, 11 letters. Afghanistan, 11 letters. 11 letters. You can't deny it. You can't deny it.

[JW Lucas]

It's redundant. You've said it so many times and.

[Gary]

You can't disprove it.

[JW Lucas]

Yes I can. The second plane that hit was 153. What about the plane that hit the Pentagon?

[Gary]

What about. What about the American fucking police code for emergency is 9 11. You don't think that. You think that's a coincidence that they hit us on 911 and we had that police code for 33 years before that?

[JW Lucas]

It's a strange coincidence.

[Gary]

This is what you get out of people who don't have a small mind.

[JW Lucas]

It's always a coincidence that I have a small mind.

[Gary]

I don't think you're that intelligent. I don't think you're intelligent.

[JW Lucas]

What does this.

[Gary]

I think you learn how to speak a whole bunch of big words and you want to sound Intelligent. No, you're actually not.

[JW Lucas]

The knowledge that I've gained from aggregating facts, I'm applying it in a wise way. I'm a wise person.

[Gary]

You keep saying that. Who else?

[JW Lucas]

No, it's subjectively true. Anyone who speaks with me. If you can't tell, I can't. I'm a wise person.

[Gary]

I can't tell the way I live my life. I don't think you're stupid, but I don't think you're smart.

[JW Lucas]

Listen. Listen. Because I don't confirm your bias. You prey on weak motherfuckers that can't.

[Gary]

I pray. Yes, I pray.

[JW Lucas]

You pray on weak women and weakness.

[Gary]

I don't even deal with women. I don't even deal with women, bro.

[JW Lucas]

They need coke.

[Gary]

I don't let women in my group.

[JW Lucas]

When you think about the concept of freedom, you know what most people call freedom? They only want in theory because it demands responsibility.

[Gary]

Wait a second.

[JW Lucas]

Comfort.

[Gary]

I don't like Nick Fuentes. I think he has the right to say whatever the fuck he wants.

[JW Lucas]

Bring some.

[Gary]

So don't tell me that.

[JW Lucas]

Quick fix. Alleviation for all these symptoms of uncertainty. You understand what entropy is, right?

[Gary]

Go ahead.

[JW Lucas]

Entropy is the increase of the information to describe a state. It's an increase in randomness. The second law of thermodynamics is the reason why we perceive the passage of time. It explains how things naturally decay over time. If you have a relationship and you're exerting energy into it, the minute you take your foot off the gas, things break down. You could hit the gym.

[Gary]

You, a sports gambler, predict?

[JW Lucas]

Yeah.

[Gary]

Okay. Let's start proving things with statistics because this ain't going to take us anywhere. You believe in stats, right? We're getting something useful for the people.

[JW Lucas]

You believe I'm here to impact the mass.

[Gary]

You're not impacting anyone and prevent.

[JW Lucas]

You're not impacting any internally parasitic great culture that's going to prevent this. Golden Mar.

[Gary]

Enough, enough. Let's look up players who are born in certain years and see how they're doing.

[JW Lucas]

Let's do it.

[Gary]

Let's do that. So are you into baseball?

[JW Lucas]

No.

[Gary]

You don't? Okay, so I'm.

[JW Lucas]

I'm familiar with all sports. I played college football.

[Gary]

I just asked you about baseball.

[JW Lucas]

You said, no, I'm not into it. I'm. I'm not a fan.

[Gary]

You just said all sports.

[JW Lucas]

I'm. Baseball's a sport to some extent. I'm not a fan of.

[Gary]

You got to watch what you say. You got to watch Your words.

[JW Lucas]

I think men that watch sports are goofy. I don't watch that play video games. Men that watch.

[Gary]

You have better things.

[JW Lucas]

To do with yourself.

[Gary]

If you're making money playing video games, it's all about reducing, so be it. If you're making money gambling sports, so be it. No one's watching shit for free. And yes, is the fucking devil of.

[JW Lucas]

Inauthentic goofballs distracted by new distractions like the Epstein shit and fucking Israel from the actual distractions, which is the cultural fucking decay, the stagnation, the stagflation, the impacts of the long march through the institution. We're talking single parenthood issues. We're talking feminism, okay? We're talking obesity. We're talking anxiety, depression, all these things that benefit who, the corporate digital overlords? That's the problem.

[Gary]

And what are you going to do? Overthrow them?

[JW Lucas]

What we're going to do is what's this better culture?

[Gary]

What's this We.

[JW Lucas]

We're going to American citizens.

[Gary]

I'm an American. I'm not with that.

[JW Lucas]

Listen, we're approaching the AI singularity and we have issues abroad, but our real enemies. Our real problem isn't enemies abroad. It's our incapacity to communicate. As Americans, there's way too much polarization. We're not having the ability to make sense of the world through dialogue because everyone's so polarized. Everyone's partaking in these same dynamics that you propose. Oh, me and you are. You're a 33, I'm a 9. So we're enemies. We shouldn't communicate. We shouldn't be around each other. That's goofy shit.

[Gary]

Who told you 9 and 33? Who told you 9 and 33 enemies? I did it.

[JW Lucas]

Or the snake. The snake and the pig.

[Gary]

You're a pig. Okay, so we're enemy signs. Out signing.

[JW Lucas]

And we could have the most incredible. See, this is God blessing you in your snake year for you to be in proximity to me.

[Gary]

You see the ego here? The ego of the die saying, I'm blessed because I met you.

[JW Lucas]

It's entertainment.

[Gary]

Listen, bro. Listen, bro. Donald Trump knows my name. Vladimir Putin knows my name. Barack Obama knows who I am. Do they know who you are?

[JW Lucas]

Are anyone.

[Gary]

You know my name.

[JW Lucas]

Say my name to anyone that you know.

[Gary]

I didn't know who you were, bro. I had to ask Charlotte, like five times who you were. I have no idea who you are.

[JW Lucas]

Exactly.

[Gary]

You seem like a guy who works out all the time. And I get research. That's it.

[JW Lucas]

I do a lot of research. I make money. I take care of my loved ones, and I enjoy spending time with my woman. She's.

[Gary]

That's good. That's outstanding.

[JW Lucas]

Talented. She's an outlier.

[Gary]

You cheat.

[JW Lucas]

Never. I believe any man that. That cheats should be put to death, to be honest.

[Gary]

I won't go that far. I won't go that far.

[JW Lucas]

I love the idea of making it a crime to commit adultery.

[Gary]

I believe in that.

[JW Lucas]

Let's talk about the concept of infidelity. I'm with the infidels. The people that aren't connected to objectivity, the people that aren't formulating intention rooted in love. See, see, that's the objective purpose of the simulation. This is an entropy.

[Gary]

Why aren't you married yet then?

[JW Lucas]

We're probably going to get married. We've. We've only.

[Gary]

I mean, you already have a kid, right?

[JW Lucas]

With another woman.

[Gary]

Ah, okay. And you can say so you have transparent. Stop, stop. This is. This is absolutely perfect, man. Because I like to talk about numerology and astrology, and I like to fit examples in. Do you know who Wes Watson is?

[JW Lucas]

A goofy bastard.

[Gary]

Yeah, yeah. He's born.

[JW Lucas]

He was.

[Gary]

Let me finish. Let me finish.

[JW Lucas]

And he got caught.

[Gary]

Let me finish. More clout than you.

[JW Lucas]

So what?

[Gary]

Exactly.

[JW Lucas]

He's a goofy.

[Gary]

Hold up.

[JW Lucas]

I beat his ass up in real life.

[Gary]

That might be true. Why don't you go press him in real life?

[JW Lucas]

Okay, I'll beat his ass up. You won't say a word.

[Gary]

And by the way, now you're chipping out because now you're acting like a black.

[JW Lucas]

Oh, it's a fact. No, and, and you say that, and.

[Gary]

It is what it is.

[JW Lucas]

At the end of the day, if we can't be on the same page and, and have dialogue to bring forth objectivity, sometimes you got to resort to violence.

[Gary]

100%.

[JW Lucas]

100% created violence, too.

[Gary]

So you believe might makes right fight in certain instances. Okay, so guess what? You look like you can whoop everyone's ass in here, but guess what? I can call some UFC fighters right now and they break your kneecaps.

[JW Lucas]

Only the top.

[Gary]

It is what it is. And I know them, don't I? Nope. Okay, so again, there's always going to be a badder guy, bro.

[JW Lucas]

There's a hierarchy. There's his objectivity.

[Gary]

Now let me talk about what I know. Now, before you interrupted me, let me go into this.

[JW Lucas]

This.

[Gary]

You're born in the year of the pig. You have baby mama, Wes Watson, born in the year the pig does not have a baby. Mama. Oh, yes, he does. No, he doesn't have any kids.

[JW Lucas]

His kids are not.

[Gary]

Those are not his kids. He's taking care of other people's kids.

[JW Lucas]

Those aren't his kids.

[Gary]

Like people who are born in pig years do they take care of other people's kids and they have kids out of wedlock. My good friend, Andrew Wilson. My good friend Andrew Wilson. Mr. Red Pill himself. If I agree about one thing, bro, that guy has no business talking about any red pill because his wife has five kids with three different men. He's the year of the pig. And this is what they do.

[JW Lucas]

Who would ever listen to a red pill? Goofy. These are the incels. The Rallo Tomasis, the Sartains. These dudes are goofy.

[Gary]

You sound just like Sartay.

[JW Lucas]

No, these dudes are goofies. I'm on another level from Sartre.

[Gary]

Yo, yo, yo. You need to put a bottle with Sartay. Because it would be like me and.

[JW Lucas]

Sartain if he brought me to the club with them and his 50 hookers that he has around. He wouldn't get a single drop of attention because he's a trick. He's bringing things to these women. They're not interested in his intellect. I'm sure a handful of them are.

[Gary]

You think women are interested in your intellect?

[JW Lucas]

Yes, because I'm speaking about objectivity.

[Gary]

That's why you go to the gym all day, because they're your intellect. Right.

[JW Lucas]

I go to the gym because this is a form of wholehearted sacrifice and devotion.

[Gary]

It just means you're disciplined in one area.

[JW Lucas]

I've heard you speak up.

[Gary]

You're disciplined in what area of your life? You're not disciplined when it comes to women because you have a woman out of wedlock, and I did. So you're not disciplined in that area. When it comes to the gym, I don't look like you.

[JW Lucas]

No, you look all right.

[Gary]

I am not disciplined when it comes to working out. You're not disciplined with women because you have a woman?

[JW Lucas]

Listen, I've never commit, I've never cheated in my life. My woman is head over heels in love with me, wants to be married, and I want to marry her at some point when the time is, I.

[Gary]

Hope I get an invitation to the.

[JW Lucas]

Wedding, and I'd love to. And she's a fan of yours. And as well, she loves listening to.

[Gary]

You shout out to her.

[JW Lucas]

You know, you have a positive effect on women because women seek comfort in many.

[Gary]

And I tell them not to be whores too, you know, And.

[JW Lucas]

And I agree.

[Gary]

And you don't want women to be whores, do you?

[JW Lucas]

Of course not.

[Gary]

Okay, so we're on the same page.

[JW Lucas]

Let's, let's talk about that. Because it got brought up, I think with, with these power law distributions that are becoming more and more significant in society. Are you familiar with what a power law distribution is? The, the self similar scale invariant nature of this fractal universe. Certain things are true across any scale. There's no change. You notice that it's called the Pareto principle. 20% of men are having 80% of the women at their disposal. Small minority of men have a vast overwhelming disproportionate.

[Gary]

That's nothing new.

[JW Lucas]

But you could, you could zoom in on 20% of those. 20% of the men. You know, zoom in on that. 20% of the men. 20% of those men are going to get 80% of those women. You could keep zooming in. Just like in wealth, how 10%, the top 10 men have an overwhelming distribution of the money.

[Gary]

So what are you going to tell the bottom 80% then? A man who can't get a woman. What are you going to tell them.

[JW Lucas]

Is to become more wholeheartedly sacrificial and say you, you speak about praying, you become a prey. I think praying is the most pure form of focus. Of focus.

[Gary]

That's meditation of devotion. That's meditation.

[JW Lucas]

It's semantics.

[Gary]

No, it's not. Because. Because when you pray, you're openly giving away your energy. When you meditate for something, that's what it is.

[JW Lucas]

Listen, and this is the problem of modern Christianity. It's inverted the actual fundamental beliefs. Instead of, instead of active worship, where a man is making his love for his woman, for his country, for his family, his society, for humanity at large, he's making that love visible through hard labor. Men need to do hard things, take on as much responsibility as possible. And what we're seeing now is what that we're seeing the opposite. We're seeing. I got a little sidetracked in, in this. I got about 30 tabs open right now with you. But where were we at?

[Gary]

You know what? I'll respect it because usually would I like do stuff like that like you and I just lose my train of thought. I started bullshitting about something else.

[JW Lucas]

So I mean, I want to keep it.

[Gary]

I got you. I'll start like changing subjects next time because you don't want dead air. They use that against.

[JW Lucas]

I don't mind it. We're, we're human humans, we're not perfect. God doesn't expect perfection. All he asks is increased precision, increased expectations. Now I'm back. We're talking. We're talking.

[Gary]

You talk to God. Okay.

[JW Lucas]

I don't believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible, but I believe Christianity is an incredible source of imagination and an overarching narrative.

[Gary]

You believe. Listen, you believe a virgin religion. You believe a virgin gave birth to Jesus Christ.

[JW Lucas]

Metaphor.

[Gary]

Do you believe it? No. Okay, thank you. Thank you.

[JW Lucas]

But it's a beautiful metaphor.

[Gary]

No, it's not. For bringing forth. It's a lie. It's a lie.

[JW Lucas]

Unadulterated.

[Gary]

It's a lie. And you want to build your religion on a lie.

[JW Lucas]

No, I don't believe in the literal interpretation.

[Gary]

Then why not tell the truth?

[JW Lucas]

Listen, we evolved as a species in small tribal settings where we were always having correlated emotional states with our peers. If I noticed you were hurt and having a bad day, I have a positive correlation with that. You're down. I'm down. I'm feeling compassion for you. If you're happy that you just hit a big ticket, I'm happy for you. Our modern cultures inverted that axis where. Where now you see jealousy. People are up. People are pissed off. Feel like when they.

[Gary]

More so women.

[JW Lucas]

More so women See, people are sadistic. They derive pleasure when they see.

[Gary]

More so women than men. Yes.

[JW Lucas]

Men have been feminized and risk averse.

[Gary]

I said. I said more so. I didn't say exactly. I said more so. I'll give you an example.

[JW Lucas]

I would say in modern times, I will give them so made that they're. They're even worse than women because of.

[Gary]

Their aspirations, because they were raised by single mothers. Okay, let me just say this. I've seen situations where mothers are jealous of their daughters because they look better than them. I've never seen a situation where a father is jealous of his son because he's more successful. We are not the same. Stop pretending.

[JW Lucas]

Well, I'm not saying we are. I'm saying there's enormous differences between men and women. And men are superior.

[Gary]

Thank you.

[JW Lucas]

In terms of.

[Gary]

Thank you.

[JW Lucas]

Now, if you want to view it from an objective lens, I would say women are superior. The world ain't got beauty. It's a beautiful thing in this.

[Gary]

And again. The nine life path. The nine life path again is bring up beauty. And that's the number one thing he.

[JW Lucas]

Cares about is this world without beautiful women. If we go out tonight to dinner and we go to the most beautiful venue and there's no beautiful women around, it's nothing compared to going to a shoe.

[Gary]

You're right. I want to be around beautiful women. He wants to be a beautiful. It's all good. But guess what? I'm looking at your beautiful woman over there. She ain't gonna look like that in 30 years.

[JW Lucas]

Yes, she will.

[Gary]

She's not gonna look like that in 40 years.

[JW Lucas]

Why do you have such a victim mentality?

[Gary]

Not a victim. Do not look better when they get older.

[JW Lucas]

Why are you speaking that into existence? This is a self fulfilling prophecy.

[Gary]

I'm telling you. What I'm saying is if everything is about beauty to you, when it's not going to be there.

[JW Lucas]

Are you subjective?

[Gary]

Are you out?

[JW Lucas]

No. Okay. No, I'm not. Because she has a beautiful mind. She has talent. She has an incredible talent. She's. She's a resident at the Bellagio, singing professionally five times a week. She's incredible. I go in there at the Mayfair Supper Club and I'm blown away. I'm inspired to be more sacrificial, more disciplined, to elevate myself.

[Gary]

Are you gonna look the same the way you look in 30 years?

[JW Lucas]

Yes, I'm gonna live 130.

[Gary]

Do you understand the process of lie? Bro, listen, we're barely lying to yourself.

[JW Lucas]

Stop lying to the people because you.

[Gary]

Are not gonna look like that in 30 years. That's a lot.

[JW Lucas]

I bet you money I look better. I look better.

[Gary]

Yeah. Arnold Schwarzenegger couldn't look better. But you will.

[JW Lucas]

Listen, listen. We are barely getting to the point where we understand the.

[Gary]

I think you're delusional.

[JW Lucas]

Do you understand the two primary factors in aging? Number one, the shortening of our telomeres. Number two, a process called chemical methylation, where the cytosine molecule and our base.

[Gary]

DNA look in that camera right there. Look in that camera right there and tell them, in 30 years I'm going to look better. I'm going to be more muscular than I am right now. Go ahead, lie to him.

[JW Lucas]

In 30 years I will look better. Be less body fat, more muscular, higher skin quality. Because I understand that by ritualizing discomfort every day I'm fasting intermittently, I'm going through hunger pain, I'm sitting in the sauna, I'm running, experiencing hypoxia where I'm depleting oxygen from my bloodstream. I'm doing all these difficult things that elongate the telomeres. There's a specific kind of enzyme called a telomerase.

[Gary]

By doing that, you might look better than most people when they age, but you're still going to age. Mother Nature.

[JW Lucas]

I told you in the Onset of our discussion that the main factor in our outcomes is the subconscious entropy state of our belief. I know there's one outcome possible, Gary. I'm gonna look better. And that's what reality is going to give me. Because I'm gonna. I'm not gonna. I'm not. I'm not gonna counteract.

[Gary]

That's delusional.

[JW Lucas]

I'm gonna do everything I can. And I believe we're on the cusp of an incredible, incredible technological advancement.

[Gary]

I would love to be alive in 100 years. But that's nonsense.

[JW Lucas]

Well, you're decreasing the probability.

[Gary]

No, because it's not going to happen. Happen. I'm not going to be alive in 100 years. You're not going to look better than.

[JW Lucas]

You are right now today that are going to live to be 150. We're on the cusp of being able to create biological hardware.

[Gary]

The Rothschilds might be. Not you, brother.

[JW Lucas]

Do you understand that reality is fundamentally informational? You understand we're in a simulation, right? Do you understand?

[Gary]

Have I not said we're in the simulation?

[JW Lucas]

Listen, explain the wave particle duality of reality. We.

[Gary]

This isn't a science show, bro. People don't understand these terms.

[JW Lucas]

To contextualize this then you're talking to.

[Gary]

0.1% of the population. They don't understand what the you're saying.

[JW Lucas]

Bro, it's our responsibility to turn the few into the minutes.

[Gary]

Your responsibility to bring it down to their level. No one understood numerology, so I started talking about bringing it down. No, you're not.

[JW Lucas]

Yes, I am.

[Gary]

No, you're not. Because no one understands what you're saying. I'm telling you this.

[JW Lucas]

You sound like a selfie.

[Gary]

Understand?

[JW Lucas]

You don't think women have the capacity to learn and develop or not like men. And there's outliers.

[Gary]

Not like men.

[JW Lucas]

There's outliers.

[Gary]

Yeah. I teach that neurology. I teach that neurologists.

[JW Lucas]

And that's important for you to admit that there are statistical outliers.

[Gary]

Of course. Women born on the 28th, like Sheryl Sandberg and Jessica. All bar billionaires too.

[JW Lucas]

Of course, 100. The best of us in society are men. But there are outliers of women that can compete.

[Gary]

I can take that. I can take that. Yes, I can take that. But here's the thing. When I'm walking the streets and I go to a mall and I see a female security guard. The fuck are you doing? You'll get knocked out. I want men in that position. So I don't believe in this equality nonsense. Women should do what they're good at. Men should do what they're good at, of course, but it's not the way society is.

[JW Lucas]

At the same time, is there a.

[Gary]

Woman, is there a woman out there who can whoop my ass? Of course there's UFC fighters. Ronda Rousey could probably whoop my ass.

[JW Lucas]

I don't think that's a great instance.

[Gary]

No, it is. It is a great example. Of course men have most physical capacity. Exactly. But there are that small percentage of women who are bodybuilders who probably got fucking bigger arms than you. There's a small percentage of women out there like that. But I'm not going to base society off the 1 2%.

[JW Lucas]

Exactly. And this is what I talk about with the issues of dei, you know, basically the, the term equity. Opposing equality, equal outcomes. They're trying to, they're trying to bring forth equal outcomes as opposed to equal opportunities. That's communism, meritocracy. And as I said earlier, just to tie back into what we're talking about with this post scarcity utopia, socialist utopia where UBI is a necessity. Universal basic income. Because all jobs will be automated. They always thought that the AI singularity would be a bottom up revolution where it would take the easiest jobs to get first. Which is what? Driving. Driving is the number one global occupation. Cars are going to be automated, but what they're finding is it's going to be a top down revolution. Because you notice that surgeons are now becoming robots. Everyone's getting coding. Yeah, everyone's jobs are being rendered.

[Gary]

Except one.

[JW Lucas]

And that's beautiful.

[Gary]

Except one.

[JW Lucas]

Because.

[Gary]

Except one.

[JW Lucas]

Capitalism.

[Gary]

Except one. A personal brand. If you have a personal brand, you. Whatever way you do it, if you have a personal brand, well, streaming you will be able to, to get out of the AI revolution as he says. And it won't affect you as much if you have a personal brand. Hold on.

[JW Lucas]

Personality. Personality. Bro.

[Gary]

Bro. I already have a whole millions of followers, so I already got there. You're still trying to get there. So. So it's not about what you have.

[JW Lucas]

Or what you've done. It's about who you are and who you're becoming and where you're going. That's what it's really all about. It's about development. It's about growing both.

[Gary]

I manage people who are.

[JW Lucas]

Mastery is a lifelong process.

[Gary]

You don't want to learn.

[JW Lucas]

I do.

[Gary]

You don't. Because you're not at my level. You don't want to learn.

[JW Lucas]

I'm dropping gyms on You. I gotta pick them up.

[Gary]

I'm clumsy. I'm not in a gym competition with you. What I'm trying to tell you is I'm looking, I'm listening to you talk.

[JW Lucas]

I'm more important.

[Gary]

You're not.

[JW Lucas]

Yes.

[Gary]

Put in.

[JW Lucas]

What would you like to speak about.

[Gary]

My name and his name on Google and see what comes up. More bro.

[JW Lucas]

Yes. You're more famous than me. Right? There you go.

[Gary]

So how are you more impactful? More achievements?

[JW Lucas]

I have more achievements. My achievements.

[Gary]

What are your achievements?

[JW Lucas]

I was an all American football player. 31 scholarships out of high school. Okay.

[Gary]

So what?

[JW Lucas]

I've some of the biggest songs the Exo Tour Life Jack Carlo was the Woo songs for Kanye. Not a dime a dozen.

[Gary]

Dime a dozen.

[JW Lucas]

I'm a self made millionaire.

[Gary]

I respect it.

[JW Lucas]

With a supplemental income for life. I got lifetime checks out for music.

[Gary]

So now I'm set for life too.

[JW Lucas]

Grateful every day, put my feet on the ground and think, thank God for this tool.

[Gary]

So you're not going to thank yourself?

[JW Lucas]

Mastery.

[Gary]

You didn't work hard for us. So everything you did is because of God.

[JW Lucas]

Expression. It's not literal. If I start by telling a joke, JW Gary and an octopus. Octopus walking up, people are going to take stop me. And they're not going to be like.

[Gary]

Everything he did is because of God. Not because he put in hard work. Not because he trained hard in the gym. No, it's because Allah praised him or Jesus praised him. This is not.

[JW Lucas]

I wouldn't even consider myself a Christian. But I understand the importance of an overarching narrative that allows for cohesion. This is the same reason you'll lie to people.

[Gary]

Listen, you'll lie to people to get along.

[JW Lucas]

We lie to kids and tell them that Santa Claus is real.

[Gary]

I don't. Maybe you do.

[JW Lucas]

I don't. As a whole, generally, it nudges unsophisticated thinkers towards doing the right thing. If a kid thinks that by behaving he's going to be on the nice list and get rewarded, he's going to have a higher probability of behaving. If he thinks that there's no incentive for being good, he's gonna end up on the.

[Gary]

This is exactly why I told my kid there is no Santa too. There's no Santa, there's no tooth fairy. I'm the one putting money under your table, under your pillow for a your tooth. I tell my parents and my kids.

[JW Lucas]

And I say that's a selfish oh God strategy. Okay, it sounds like you're trying to Be validated for your work.

[Gary]

No, I'm actually. I don't want to lie to her. I don't want to lie to him. You want to lie?

[JW Lucas]

I don't want to lie to him.

[Gary]

You're going to tell them about Santa Claus?

[JW Lucas]

No. My daughter is going to be a freaking nature. So of course I'm going to give her the raw truth. Just like I'm just saying.

[Gary]

You just said I'm selfish for doing the same thing. But it's okay when you do it.

[JW Lucas]

No, because it correlates with other ideological points that you're communicating. Like it seems like you don't have rigorous empathy for others. You don't seem to have compassion for people that are struggling. You don't seem to have compassion.

[Gary]

I was struggling. I was struggling. And guess what? When I was struggling in my enemy year, I fucking did it myself. I didn't ask anyone for help. And I fucking man the fuck up. So guess what? I'm not gonna fucking throw people in the short end of the pool and then give them my hand. Go in the fucking deep end and fucking learn yourself. Sink or swim.

[JW Lucas]

And don't you know that individuals that are struggling just by being supported by a group have a higher probability of jumping in the deep end and learning how to sink or swim? A culture of men. So you put young men through rights of passages like fist fights and these type of things where it's. It's called luminality. They step into the fist fight someone new already just by confronting their fear. They're not who they'll become over a lifestyle of demonstrating courage. But they're not who they were before. Before they stepped into, you know, that difficult situation. This is.

[Gary]

We gotta. So I'll push him in that dick.

[JW Lucas]

Native American. We're going the teepees and. And smoke the toad, hallucinate and sweat. The first dmt, the first that gets up and leaves without warning all his people. The chief's sitting right there and knows that's a. He needs to be excommunicated. Just the bond of the group. And they're overcoming hardship together.

[Gary]

Yeah, we need better. That's a male that pulls up. That's a male thing, by the way.

[JW Lucas]

This is the problem. Thousands and thousands of.

[Gary]

Is there any testimonials?

[JW Lucas]

There's a lot of testimonials.

[Gary]

So what are you doing pulling people on Instagram?

[JW Lucas]

Before I got canceled.

[Gary]

What'd you get canceled for?

[JW Lucas]

For speaking about BLM and pointing out the pseudo reality police brutality narratives. You know, the Breonna Taylor lies the George Floyd lies the. The Trayvon Martin lies. From the beginning, you know, you know Michael Brown. Hands up. Don't shoot every single.

[Gary]

So what you're doing is a complete. What you're doing is this.

[JW Lucas]

This is the creating corporate. You're doing this dividing the masses. We need to come together.

[Gary]

Did you ever protest in real life?

[JW Lucas]

Life? I'm not a protesting activist. I'm not a goofy.

[Gary]

So you don't want to go into the real fire. You just want to type on a keyboard.

[JW Lucas]

I'm out having hundreds of death threats dealing with that.

[Gary]

I get. I get that a day.

[JW Lucas]

I was Charlemagne's donkey of the year. Donkey of the year for speaking out. Of course. I single handedly.

[Gary]

Charlamagne's a homosexual. What do you care?

[JW Lucas]

Of course he is.

[Gary]

What do you care? What do you care what a homosexual says about you?

[JW Lucas]

Call him Charman the fraud. That boy soft as a pillow.

[Gary]

I got it. They're all.

[JW Lucas]

I consider these domestic terrorists, to be honest. As I said, we're in the golden era.

[Gary]

You don't believe people have a right to say what they want?

[JW Lucas]

I believe they should be held accountable. Responsibility is everything.

[Gary]

So wait a second. You don't believe people have the right to say what they want? That's a fundamental right of American.

[JW Lucas]

Now listen, this ties into what we're talking about with the incel problem.

[Gary]

Answer the question.

[JW Lucas]

With these incels having a veil of anonymity on social media where they're saying things without accountability. They're throwing salt in the water. So don't know what's real and fake anymore. So there's a whole lot of perverse incentives on social media to go viral. Spreading things that lies spread fast.

[Gary]

You like to detour things. I asked you, do you believe in free speech? Yes or no?

[JW Lucas]

There's a difference in free speech and insidious language.

[Gary]

It prevents people hate speech is free speech, bro.

[JW Lucas]

No.

[Gary]

Yes, it is.

[JW Lucas]

When you're. When you're distract. When you're. When you're leading people astray from the truth and objectivity that's objectively foul and corrupt. You know, I believe God created archangel archetypes like Michael to come down here and bust heads.

[Gary]

Okay?

[JW Lucas]

Sometimes you gotta bust someone's head to the white meat and demonstrate. I gotta violate.

[Gary]

I got you, man.

[JW Lucas]

If they're. If they're.

[Gary]

How come you weren't busting people's heads open during the Black Lives Matter contest? I'm not as big as you. You. But I was going out there and I was Getting in people's faces. How come you weren't doing the same?

[JW Lucas]

Because I have a lot of going on and I'm not trying to go out and hurt people. I'm trying to take a risk and speak about. People were terrified to speak of. And I paid the cost. I got canceled. I was on top of the music game, had two hot one hundreds simultaneously. They went on a huge campaign to deliver me.

[Gary]

You're a man.

[JW Lucas]

And I've gotten stronger. Of course the point is risk taking.

[Gary]

You're saying suspended me off Twitter. I was making six figures off that account a month.

[JW Lucas]

Not him.

[Gary]

No, it was him individually spending me because I was. I'm actually popular. I was on the talk show Luke. I was on Luke's show popular. And when I'm here right now. Hold on. I was on Luke's show and Luke had me on. I was talking about Elon, how he took money from Obama in 2010 and right after he did that, he unfollowed Luke. Luke. And he fucking suspended my account. So that was definitely because I was on that podcast.

[JW Lucas]

You don't think that it could have been some of his subordinates?

[Gary]

No, no, no. He doesn't like the fact that I talked about the fact that he's born on the 28th, he had a child this year born on the 28th and he sold his ex company to his AI company on the 28th. And I know it's coincidence at the.

[JW Lucas]

End of the day. No. I love hearing you speak with such fervor and conviction. Because as I said said, a high certainty in your belief is going to mold your reality. You create self fulfilling prophecies when you speak things into.

[Gary]

Yeah, you're right. I did make a self. Regarding climbacy when I said I told my wife three things. I'd be a famous numerologist. Check. I'd be a self made millionaire. Check. Only thing I've left to do is have sex in the White House. That's the only thing I promised her. So I'll work on that.

[JW Lucas]

Sounds degenerate. I mean, you're an entertainer.

[Gary]

Having sex with my wife sounds degenerate.

[JW Lucas]

In the White House?

[Gary]

Yeah. Oh yeah. The White House sacred place. Place exactly where I want to have it.

[JW Lucas]

That sounds profane to me. And this is the problem.

[Gary]

You can't have sex in the White House.

[JW Lucas]

This is the problem.

[Gary]

Really?

[JW Lucas]

Look at modern culture, how we've normalized these profane lanes of entertainment.

[Gary]

Sex with my wife is degenerate. Are you out your mind in the White House? So what in your house. It doesn't matter if I'm a hotel, my hotel, if it's my wife, it's never degenerate.

[JW Lucas]

It is because if you had sex in my house, let's say you want left semen on the counter, I'd have a problem with you.

[Gary]

Oh, you better go wash the dishes, man. Or wash the. That's what you have a woman for, so she can clean the sheets.

[JW Lucas]

I mean, in.

[Gary]

In some instances, your boy can't smash in your house.

[JW Lucas]

What the it's all about? I prefer not to.

[Gary]

I feel you. I feel you. You let people use the bathroom in your house. People use the bath. Even the number two?

[JW Lucas]

Yes.

[Gary]

I don't let people use number twos. Really? Nah, get out. Wow. I live in a high rise, so they can go down fine.

[JW Lucas]

You know, so it is what it is. The point being is degeneracy.

[Gary]

You know, having sex with my wife is never degenerate, no matter where I'm.

[JW Lucas]

Doing in cell culture. To prioritize sex, men should be bro that prioritize anything. I just said bucket list. To have sex 100.

[Gary]

That sounds like I'm gonna run for president, United States. And when I win, I'm gonna have sex in the White House. And if I don't win, I'll find a way to administration and I'll fucking, you know, make a deal with someone. I'll still make it happen. You know why? Because I'm a man of my fucking word. If I say I'm going to do it, I'm going to fucking do it. I said I was going to shove numerology and astrology down people's throats. It doesn't matter if you believe it, doesn't matter if she believes it. Doesn't matter if he believes in it. Everyone who knows about numerology, all that matters is if you believe in it. All that matters, the nature of reality.

[JW Lucas]

No, it's not in the same way.

[Gary]

Again, it doesn't matter. Only thing that matters is it's real.

[JW Lucas]

No, it's not real.

[Gary]

Yes, it is.

[JW Lucas]

None of it is empirically. Will you ask ChatGPT if there's any instances of numerology being scientifically empirical, empirically validated?

[Gary]

You know what's awesome? Astrology has been above science in many ways. Five hundred years ago, when they told people that they got crazy in their full moons, science said, that's ridiculous. And then we figured out that the.

[JW Lucas]

Says, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. At nighttime.

[Gary]

I said 500 years ago ago, they didn't know why. And they said people get crazy on their full moons. It wasn't until they figured out that the moon pulls on the ties. They figured out a human body 70 water. And that is why people get crazy under full moon.

[JW Lucas]

Because it's brighter outside.

[Gary]

Oh my God.

[JW Lucas]

Okay, that's been proven. Ask Chat GPT.

[Sean Kelly]

Why do people go crazy on full moons?

[JW Lucas]

Is it. Is it because of numerology or is it because.

[Gary]

It's definitely because of astrology. Ask the police station. This is just. Just some people use to cover up.

[JW Lucas]

No, it's irrelevant. It's semantics at this point. The point is that reality is indeed probabilistic. Nothing is deterministic. And that the main factor is our willpower. Your conviction, your belief and not counteracting your belief and your ability to affirm what you believe. You should speak things about yourself into existence.

[Gary]

And you have a child with a woman who is not yours.

[JW Lucas]

And that's fine.

[Gary]

No, it's not.

[JW Lucas]

Yes it is.

[Gary]

Not according to a lot of people. People.

[JW Lucas]

Every situation is different. There, there's. I. I did everything I could to make it work with the woman.

[Gary]

But see, here's the point, here's the point, here's the point. Synergy.

[JW Lucas]

We didn't have perfect synergy.

[Gary]

And why were you with her in the first place?

[JW Lucas]

Because a lot.

[Gary]

She was beautiful. A lot of approach me cuz you were. She was beautiful. That's why.

[JW Lucas]

Admit it wasn't. I get a lot of attention from beautiful women.

[Gary]

Why did you have a child with her?

[JW Lucas]

It. It was an anomaly. I thought I was shooting blanks, to be honest. The last time we had sex, she got pregnant. We broke up. Up. She let me know months after. We tried to work it out again. We have a co parenting relationship. My daughter is a prodigy. We were together the first two years. Recently broke up about six months ago because of life circumstances. Her dad got cancer, had to move.

[Gary]

You know what?

[JW Lucas]

We were spaced.

[Gary]

You know what's interesting?

[JW Lucas]

And I met my fucking twin flame.

[Gary]

You know what's interesting? I never had those problems. Know why? Because I knew numerology and astrology. And I picked my wife's birthday. And I knew she. She was perfect for me. And we've been married.

[JW Lucas]

A better outcome. My daughter is the girl. She is.

[Gary]

Because you're not with. You're not with the same woman who had it. You're not gonna raise her. She's gonna have two different parents. She has two parents who don't live in the same house. That's Gonna negatively affect your daughter. You're selfish.

[JW Lucas]

No, she's gonna be in my proximity right now. She's.

[Gary]

She's not gonna be around you every day, is she?

[JW Lucas]

She is.

[Gary]

Every day.

[JW Lucas]

100% every day.

[Gary]

Every day.

[JW Lucas]

Well aware of the impact.

[Gary]

She's gonna. She's gonna wake up and she's gonna see your daddy.

[JW Lucas]

Every single day, she's gonna wake up.

[Gary]

And see her daddy and mommy.

[JW Lucas]

Every single day she wakes up. Some night she will.

[Gary]

That's not a good thing.

[JW Lucas]

It's not ideal.

[Gary]

Okay.

[JW Lucas]

It's not ideal.

[Gary]

You're right.

[JW Lucas]

The ideal situation is a nuclear family unit.

[Gary]

You're right.

[JW Lucas]

But at the end.

[Gary]

So. Are you that discipline?

[JW Lucas]

Everything is.

[Gary]

Are you that discipline, sir?

[JW Lucas]

Everything I am.

[Gary]

Are you that discipline? I don't think you are. You're disciplined. Going to the gym, you're not disciplined. When it comes to sleeping with bitches witches and having babies, you're not disciplined with that.

[JW Lucas]

I had a baby out of wedlock.

[Gary]

So you're not disciplined. Admit it.

[JW Lucas]

At the end of the day. At the end of the day, things unfold in life and you have to be able to adapt.

[Gary]

Not for me, because I knew birthdays. See how that works? If you don't want problems like this in life, learn numerology and astrology. It's that simple.

[JW Lucas]

It's not a major problem. It's actually beautiful. A lot of men are on the.

[Gary]

Road and they don't wake up around you. You just said it's not ideal. He just said it's not ideal.

[JW Lucas]

But listen, the inspiration that I have from my new partner, the perfect synergy I have, is gonna lead to greater outcomes for me. That allows me to show up in her life in better ways.

[Gary]

While that might be true, the people out here listening, you need to tell them straight to their face that this is not the right way for you.

[JW Lucas]

It isn't.

[Gary]

And this is not what you want to do.

[JW Lucas]

My girlfriend will tell you this is a source of shame in my life. The only source of shame. Shame that I'm dealing with this. And guilt that I have of not being in her life the way I was the first two years of her life. The last few months have been tumultuous, and I'm adapting and I'm responding.

[Gary]

And the last two months. Last two months?

[JW Lucas]

You said the last few months. Yeah.

[Gary]

I see. So this has never happened before. It only happened the past few months. Right. It happened in your enemy year. It happened in your enemy year, which.

[JW Lucas]

Is a transitional time. That's allowed now listen.

[Gary]

Okay, now let's talk about enemy years are right.

[JW Lucas]

No, it's. It's incredible. Listen.

[Gary]

Thank you.

[JW Lucas]

Are you on. Are you familiar with the concept of synergy?

[Gary]

Yeah, I was just talking to this guy about energy.

[JW Lucas]

Okay. Synergy. Synergy is interfere. Interference in the signal. It can either be positive or negative. Positive synergy is when there's diverse skills, diverse perspectives, elegant coordination, and a shared vision of the future where you're amplifying the signal as opposed to negative synergy where there's a lack of. Of diversity, there's a lack of differentiation, a lack of integration, a lack of a shared future. Sometimes you end up in relationships.

[Gary]

I'm a loyal.

[JW Lucas]

Ride or die. I. I ride till the wheels fall off. She approached me, we got in a relationship. I'm trying to make the best of it now. Now, we had a negative synergy because in your enemy year, she wasn't diverse. No, it happened last year.

[Gary]

Okay. And you're away from your child right now, right?

[JW Lucas]

Yeah.

[Gary]

So that's not enemy, your shit transformation hold up. That's not enemy, your shit being away from the person you love the most on this planet.

[JW Lucas]

And it's inspiring me to go harder, to be more.

[Gary]

Why don't you say that real. Listen, say enemy years are real. Watson's getting his ass. Let me tell you something, Adam 22, born a year. The pig is getting destroyed this year.

[JW Lucas]

All these people now, now look at.

[Gary]

Look at Elon Musk thrown out of the goddamn.

[JW Lucas]

Look at me, for instance. I got involved with the sports better. Mazz and Sean Perry with their fight. I know them, you know, I'm willing to fight any sports better for any amount of money. So when. So when Sean Perry is talking about. He'll bet anyone. I saw that they had the event. I told my boy Kino who was there. Why the fuck didn't you call me so I could come up and press him? So the next event, when they had their first fight, when they were going to fight for 500,000, they brought me in because there was a whole lot of shit. So I went and pressed everyone in there. There. The Kid Elf was in there with all the social media vlogs.

[Gary]

You think those guys are gonna fight you for $500,000?

[JW Lucas]

Listen, listen, I bet a million on you.

[Gary]

Like, what the fuck?

[JW Lucas]

So from me making a scene, pressing everyone in there, the kid Elf and his stream, in front of thousands of people, they're like, who the fuck is this guy? So. So he inquires about chasing clout. I got It I go in there, do an interview, go ballistic. So now I have a cult like following emerging on X where I'm a sports bettor. I'm the best in the world. Betting on football. I've been banned from all.

[Gary]

What's your. What is your percentage against the spread?

[JW Lucas]

I hover around any, Any. Any large sample spaces. Around 61, 63.

[Gary]

Okay, I'm there myself. So what?

[JW Lucas]

But you're betting baseball with that?

[Gary]

No, I'm betting everything. I'm betting everything.

[JW Lucas]

You don't have the capacity and knowledge.

[Gary]

To speak about sports. Yeah, really. I've won every single super bowl this decade. Can you say the same? Exactly. I'm five out of five. Five. What's good? I'm five out of five.

[JW Lucas]

And that's a small sample space.

[Gary]

And this is Super Bowls.

[JW Lucas]

This is a law of large numbers. Gary, listen, how about this?

[Gary]

Listen, in this small sample space, I'll give you a good anomalous occur. I'll give you a good.

[JW Lucas]

Increase the sample space.

[Gary]

I'll give you a good space.

[JW Lucas]

I bet over your next 10 Super Bowls you don't hit six.

[Gary]

Okay, whatever. Go to Cavs and you'll probably around.

[JW Lucas]

And lose the next five.

[Gary]

I mean, I'm not you.

[JW Lucas]

I'm the best in the world. I'm banned.

[Gary]

You keep saying that.

[JW Lucas]

Gm. I can't walk.

[Gary]

I. I got banned from Hard Rock. I got banned from Hard Rock. Thank you for winning too much. I got banned from Atlantic city for winning 1.3 million in one month. Don't talk to me about.

[JW Lucas]

I know that's your claim to fame. With betting. Anyone in a small sample space can have anomalous occurrences.

[Gary]

Calves and put in Gary the numbers guy, see what comes.

[JW Lucas]

We know you predicted when they were down 1 3.

[Gary]

Oh, we did.

[JW Lucas]

I'm dealing.

[Gary]

Where's. Where's your prediction? Like that.

[JW Lucas]

My, my.

[Gary]

That was the best comeback, the proof of my ability. And I called it. And it was anomalous on the line. And I called it. I said it. It happened. Where is your claim to fame? You're trying to say what I think.

[JW Lucas]

My claim to fame is?

[Gary]

Kyrie Irving, who's born 1992, the year the monkey hit the game winner in 2016 against the Warriors. That happened. People do better in their own years. That is the biggest upset in NBA history. And I called it right before I said it would happen. Everything that happened did happen. This objectively proves I know what the I'm talking about. And if you have a better call than that, let's see it, let's just.

[JW Lucas]

Go ahead and lay out some type of prediction right now. You know, this is the issue is that everything you speak about is unfalsifiable. It's not actual science.

[Gary]

This happened before. This happened before they came back.

[JW Lucas]

You do understand that and you're cherry picking.

[Gary]

No, no, no. That is the biggest. No, no. This is incorre. This is what it calls about being a man, putting your rep on the line and if you're wrong, you're cooked. If that, if I was wrong about that, I'm not here. He doesn't know me. I'm done. I was right. I get my accolades.

[JW Lucas]

I mean the validity of your ideas shouldn't be correlated to one particular instance.

[Gary]

I'm just, I'm giving you one example. I'm the one who. Did I not say Elon, Did I not say Elon and Trump would break apart this year?

[Sean Kelly]

He did call that on the show.

[JW Lucas]

A lot of incorrect predictions that we don't need to get into either. This is what you do.

[Gary]

Is you correct? I'm not God. I get 85% of them. Right. That's a fact.

[JW Lucas]

I mean I'll bet money with you that you can't make 10 specific predictions and even get half of them right.

[Gary]

When how much you want to bet?

[JW Lucas]

How much do you. What type of so, so you should predict who, who ends up in the super bowl this year, right?

[Gary]

No, I'm not going to do that within what I'm going to do. What I'm going to.

[JW Lucas]

Why don't you put it right?

[Gary]

I'm going to do. What I'm going to do do is when the game, when we know who the game is, then I'll make a prediction because I need to do an AFC NFC championship. I need to do every single game. I'm not doing it ahead of time. I understand futures are good and I do not hit all my futures. There's no doubt about it. But I hit futures more than everyone else.

[JW Lucas]

Ranges on the probability of.

[Gary]

I've been selling picks for 15 years, bro. I'm cool.

[JW Lucas]

Reaching.

[Gary]

I'm cool, bro.

[JW Lucas]

This, this is a way for you to demonstrate that you're.

[Gary]

I've already demonstrated. That's why people pay me money for my picks instances.

[JW Lucas]

And, and, and you don't have anyone that's saying I am Gary from Gary Sports.

[Gary]

I had a group of people here on the rooftop.

[JW Lucas]

I assure you that you're not.

[Gary]

I'm winning on my parlay. I am banned. I am banned.

[JW Lucas]

Then, then let's I am banned.

[Gary]

I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.

[JW Lucas]

Do you agree that cooperative systems have much more value at their disposal than competitive? Why compete when we can cooperate and synergize?

[Gary]

Why would I and bring our diverse.

[JW Lucas]

Skills to the the table? Because the bottom line is making money. Who gives a about stroking ego? It's about making money and bringing value to our clients.

[Gary]

Listen, I see value in Myron Gaines. I see value in fresh and fit. I see value in the people I deal with. I see a lot of value in this guy. He's a 33 life path, by the way. Look, what he's doing at a young age validates exactly what the fuck I'm talking about. So when I see value in people. You don't want to learn. You want to argue and you want to talk with big words. Chest. No, no. You want. I'm going to tell you something. I get it, brother. I love it too. I'm telling you. I'm telling you.

[JW Lucas]

It sounds like you have a closed circuit of. Of belief.

[Gary]

What are you going to teach me, bro? How to go to the gym? How to lift some weights? I got plenty of.

[JW Lucas]

Understand the digital nature of reality.

[Gary]

What are you going to teach me? What are you going to teach me?

[JW Lucas]

Explain how we're.

[Gary]

How are you going to teach?

[JW Lucas]

Say we're in a simulation and there's a matrix. You.

[Gary]

You said you could teach me. You set the work up. What are you going to teach me besides lifting weights?

[JW Lucas]

I can teach you about morality.

[Gary]

I have morality. I turn down only fans. I turn down the degeneracy. You're not teaching me anything about morality.

[JW Lucas]

I can falsify my beliefs.

[Gary]

I'm with the mother of my child. You are not. Don't tell me about morality.

[JW Lucas]

And that's one characteristic of you as a human. But you lack compassion for others.

[Gary]

And you. And you?

[JW Lucas]

Don't you pander to insult.

[Gary]

You don't. You're willing to lie to people. I saw you right now.

[JW Lucas]

Now. I cry almost every day when I.

[Gary]

You cry?

[JW Lucas]

Yes, I cry a lot. I'm a sensitive dude. I'm in touch.

[Gary]

Men shouldn't cry.

[JW Lucas]

And that's what a man. Man should cry with his masculinity. Why? You lack creativity and originality.

[Gary]

I'm a numerologist. Astrologer told me I lack creativity and originality.

[JW Lucas]

I don't cry because, oh, I'm having a bad day. I cry when I see people contemplating suicide. I cry when I see people on the street. The street having the Most disgusting.

[Gary]

You know what I think? I'm thinking what did they do to deserve that?

[JW Lucas]

And so that's what I think. That's what I think that as well.

[Gary]

That's what I think.

[JW Lucas]

There has to be some type of accountability but there is environmental factors and different things that multivariable.

[Gary]

You think empathy is a strength?

[JW Lucas]

Empathy is the greatest commonality amongst high level thinkers.

[Gary]

Empathy. Empathy is what spread mass immigration. Empathy is what fucking spread, spread all this feminist nonsense that's going around in the world. You want to push that empathy?

[JW Lucas]

No, we're not. I'm not trying to valorize the victim.

[Gary]

That's what it sounds like to me.

[JW Lucas]

No, I'm trying to valorize the victor and turn the few victors in society into the many. I'm trying to hijack people's minds because our minds have become the battlefield, weapons and rewards fought for in this new age of informational warfare. These corporate overlords are hijacking our phones. They're creating split tests, testing mechanisms.

[Gary]

What are you going to do about it?

[JW Lucas]

What I'm going to do is talk my and create a cult following and, and, and subtly. Do you have to impact.

[Gary]

Do you have a co founder happening?

[JW Lucas]

Yes, I have. They took my eyes.

[Gary]

How many followers do you have?

[JW Lucas]

Listen, if we go on X right now, my, my spaces are going to be double yours. I'm asking people in this, how many.

[Gary]

How many people do you actually have following? Following doesn't matter of course, because you have no following.

[JW Lucas]

I have more matter. I have more engagement.

[Gary]

How many, how many do you have in ig?

[JW Lucas]

I have more.

[Gary]

How many do you have an ig?

[JW Lucas]

They banned my ig.

[Gary]

How many did you have before it did. How many did you have before it?

[JW Lucas]

It doesn't matter.

[Gary]

It does matter matter because you don't have clout, bro. You don't have clout.

[JW Lucas]

What matters is I saw you go live on YouTube two nights ago and had 100 people in there.

[Gary]

Yeah, okay, all good.

[JW Lucas]

That's not clout.

[Gary]

I got 250,000 on YouTube. I have 250,000 spaces right now.

[JW Lucas]

You're going to have like 50 people.

[Gary]

In there maybe because I got suspended 24 times and so I'm going to.

[JW Lucas]

Have 400 people in my space, brother.

[Gary]

Now let's go on TikTok. I'll get 5,000 in my space. You don't have my clout. And let me quite frankly. Quite. And you never will. Quite frankly. You're a non life path. You don't have what it takes. You don't have what it takes, bro.

[JW Lucas]

Yes.

[Gary]

No.

[JW Lucas]

You're going to tell me that because I was born on February 13, I'm a life path 9. That there's certain things that aren't accessible to me.

[Gary]

I don't think you have what it takes to be a major influencer.

[JW Lucas]

No.

[Gary]

You'll never be Andrew Tate. You'll never be one of these guys. But. But I'm gonna say this. I think you're successful in life. I think you're gonna have a lot of going for you. I think you're done. Are better than most people. I do think you're intelligent. I think you're just. That ego is just massive.

[JW Lucas]

What is ego, Gary?

[Gary]

You don't want to learn from ego is. You don't wanna. You don't want to learn from anything. You don't want to learn from anyone. You already know everything I know. What you should be doing is following numerology. I should say that.

[JW Lucas]

Oh, I'm a nine. I'll never be able to influence people. I'm much more influential than you.

[Gary]

How's the crypto?

[JW Lucas]

If we have a crypto, they'll follow.

[Gary]

Me before you, bro.

[JW Lucas]

No, if.

[Gary]

If we're anywhere outside of a gym.

[JW Lucas]

If you follow me before you listen, you have your GG33 group get together.

[Gary]

Yep.

[JW Lucas]

I will impact them more than you do in a small setting. They will follow.

[Gary]

What are you gonna do? Teach them how to lift weights from bro.

[JW Lucas]

What else are you gonna do? How to think objectively. I'm gonna teach them how to formulate intention. That's rooted.

[Gary]

You can't even figure out how to keep your woman who you had a baby with together. And you're gonna tell other gun. How are you gonna tell other men how to do stuff when you can't do it yourself?

[JW Lucas]

I could be with her right now. Objectively, I'm with the ideal woman for me. We have. We have perfect synergy. And a lot of things are unfolding for me right now as a. As a. As a byproduct of this energy.

[Gary]

I'm sorry you're not seeing.

[JW Lucas]

I'm sorry, Snakey.

[Gary]

I am sorry you're not having. I'm sorry you're not around your daughter.

[JW Lucas]

10 to 30 million this year off selling.

[Gary]

Show me.

[JW Lucas]

Show me it's going down.

[Gary]

Show me. I don't see. I see Sean Perry doing. I don't see you doing. I see Mozzie doing it. Who are you? I never even seen you before.

[JW Lucas]

And I've never sold my picks because I've been. I've been betting myself low key, under the radar, but I've been banned from everywhere. And the market's just now getting to the point with the legalization over the past few years.

[Gary]

It's been there since 2018, bro.

[JW Lucas]

The market is just.

[Gary]

The market's been there since 218. I've been making money out of the market. Oh, you're a little late, huh? First you say it's not there, now you say, well, wait, which one is it?

[JW Lucas]

It's just emerging within the past few years, Gary. It's semantics to say that. Semantics, Bro, the market's at an all time high. You see scammers like Mozzie scammers like.

[Gary]

Why is he a scammer?

[JW Lucas]

Because he doesn't have a skill set for betting and he just got hit with the Fed case for doing. Doing it.

[Gary]

And why is Sean Perry a fraud? I know he lost the Super Bowl.

[JW Lucas]

Anyone? I know a lot of people. Big dogs that have lost enormous amounts with them. You can tell someone's creativity when you listen to them speak. They don't know the game. It's all.

[Gary]

You haven't told me why he's a fraud, though.

[JW Lucas]

Who, Sean?

[Gary]

Yeah. Why is he a fraud?

[JW Lucas]

Sean Perry?

[Gary]

Yeah.

[JW Lucas]

Because he's over here literally right now trying to bait incels with this content. His whole shtick of, oh, I got a girl picking my. My pick. So if she doesn't pick right, we'll get her out of here. He can't validate his sense making process. He can't.

[Gary]

False. Maybe, maybe he's just better at social media than you.

[JW Lucas]

No, maybe he's just trying to scam goofy to look at his lifestyle, that he has money because he inherited money from his mom and his dad and he's using her credit card to make bets and that he's not subs.

[Gary]

He's not paying a million dollars to make bets, bro. He's not using a credit card making.

[JW Lucas]

Money off of sports betting. They wouldn't take his bets at the casino if he was. He could walk into any casino and bet. I mean, I'm obscene amounts of money.

[Gary]

I'm up a lot of money to Rio. They haven'. Bet. They haven't banned me yet.

[JW Lucas]

And if you continue, they will because they just don't think you're an advantage.

[Gary]

No, no, no. What I do is I bet. I bet. I bet parlay, Gary. I bet parlays.

[JW Lucas]

Why can. Why, if we walk in, are they going to take your bet? But they won't bet parlays. No, I bet straight.

[Gary]

Okay, so see, here's the thing. They will bet straight. Bet they will ban straight betters because there are sharps out there who get banned by the casinos. They around with me for about a month, two months, months if I'm there for a long time. And then when they see the parlays keep hitting, then they ban me like they did in resorts casino in Atlantic City. That's what happens. They give me more of opportunity. Because a parlay is so called a sucker bet. But when it comes to numerology, astrology, it gives me an advantage.

[JW Lucas]

Sucker bet. You have better odds of just letting your tickets ride.

[Gary]

Oh, I mean, listen, I've hit part ways for in a day, half a million dollars. Of course, it is what it is.

[JW Lucas]

Picking great instances of it.

[Gary]

I'll bet I've lost money too. There's no doubt about it.

[JW Lucas]

You're not a winning sports better.

[Gary]

Oh, I definitely bet my life.

[JW Lucas]

Life on that.

[Gary]

Oh, how are we going to do this?

[JW Lucas]

You don't have the skill set where we can go heads up. We can go heads up for any amount you want. This football season. For any amount.

[Gary]

Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I would do that with you. I would do that with you. But here's the thing. You don't have enough. Stop, stop, stop, stop.

[JW Lucas]

Validity.

[Gary]

Stop, stop, stop, stop. So this is what I'll do. This is what I'll do. You honestly don't have enough clout to do this one on one with me. So if you want.

[JW Lucas]

Wait on it.

[Gary]

Stop. If you want. Get the top sports guys here.

[JW Lucas]

I'm him.

[Gary]

Stop.

[JW Lucas]

I'm him.

[Gary]

Not with Cloud.

[JW Lucas]

Yes.

[Gary]

Not when it comes to clout.

[JW Lucas]

It does. Because they're all dick riders.

[Gary]

Okay?

[JW Lucas]

You got a space. Okay? Mozzie, Sean, Perry, all these dudes. And they all come. They all know who I am.

[Gary]

Okay?

[JW Lucas]

They all know who I am.

[Gary]

Not their fans. Their fans don't know. I don't know who you are. My people don't know who you are.

[JW Lucas]

Now you do. And now they do too.

[Gary]

Okay?

[JW Lucas]

So band up.

[Gary]

Up. So. So here's what we're gonna do.

[JW Lucas]

Get down with the waves.

[Gary]

You get all the top guys. Top five guys, okay? And we'll. Every single week, we'll put our spreads. You don't make them public because I sell picks. Other people sell pics. But on Monday, when all the games are over, you post what everyone did. Him, me, Mozzy. Everyone. And then at the end of the year, we'll see who the best is. I'm willing to do that right now. You down?

[JW Lucas]

Of course.

[Gary]

But they have to do it too.

[JW Lucas]

What amount of money?

[Gary]

Whatever you want to do. 100k. Whatever. I don't get a but here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. They have to be in it too. You quite frankly don't have enough clout to do this with me one on one.

[JW Lucas]

I tell you that I do. He had elf in here.

[Gary]

Who's who's got brother, you have 7,000 people who follow you.

[JW Lucas]

It doesn't matter. On on X I'm emerging as a presence and when I go I have all the sports betting world unlocked right now. And they're all waiting for football.

[Gary]

Well guess what?

[JW Lucas]

Football.

[Gary]

I need to see it with my own eyes. I need to see with my own eyes. Guess what? Do some show and think tell. But I'm telling you right now, in your enemy year you're gonna get smoke. You're gonna get smoked. In your enemy year I will fade.

[JW Lucas]

And you will lose your ass. That's a fact. Because I don't rely on this goofy ass kooky predictive mechanism.

[Gary]

Yeah.

[JW Lucas]

Stuff that's made me millions actually have an ability to extract and infer high value information.

[Gary]

I don't know what ability you have besides. Besides lifting weights. I don't know what ability you have.

[JW Lucas]

About the game of football. I don't.

[Gary]

I play the game of football. Differentiate between a 3, 4 and a nickel and a differentiate between a 6.

[JW Lucas]

And a 9 technique for a defensive lineman. I mean differentiate between cover three and cover four.

[Gary]

Cover four is when you have all the QBs and the safeties all the way back in the COVID four. I know what these coverages mean. I know what a nickel package is. I know what a dime package is. I know what a 3, 4 defense is. Is. I know what a 43 defense is. I know what a run shoot is. Yes, I can.

[JW Lucas]

The value that I can.

[Gary]

Yes I can.

[JW Lucas]

There's qualitative differences.

[Gary]

I mean bro, I hear you talking, I hear you bragging. I don't see any receipts.

[JW Lucas]

What do you mean I don't see any receipts. 22000 a game is documented, brother.

[Gary]

22,000 a game is not a lot of money.

[JW Lucas]

It is a lot of. It's a base unit and I have money coming in off of music and now I'm about to take over the life coaching lane that these goofy baskets.

[Gary]

Life coaching? Yes, life coaching.

[JW Lucas]

Mentoring. Mentoring.

[Gary]

You're not Even with the woman you had a baby with? How you gonna mentor men?

[JW Lucas]

I'm developed. I'm a good man. I'm taking care of her still. I'm taking care of my child. I was incredible to her. I took care of her. You can't control others. Yes, you can control.

[Gary]

Yes you can.

[JW Lucas]

Is your output.

[Gary]

You couldn't control the woman. Did you control your woman?

[JW Lucas]

To an extent.

[Gary]

Well, she didn't because she left. Right.

[JW Lucas]

She just inherited millions and millions of dollars.

[Gary]

As soon as she got the money money she dipped.

[JW Lucas]

No, she didn't.

[Gary]

I'm asking you. I don't know. You tell me.

[JW Lucas]

We, we had distance. I'm in Vegas, she's in another state handling business.

[Gary]

She got her back and she left.

[JW Lucas]

Woman of my dreams.

[Gary]

Listen, listen. This has nothing to do with her.

[JW Lucas]

It does.

[Gary]

I'm talking about the woman you had a child with. She left you or you left her? Which one?

[JW Lucas]

It was me leaving her.

[Gary]

You left her. So you left a woman you had a baby with because. And you want to teach other people about how to be men and you left a woman you had a baby.

[JW Lucas]

With and I'm not abandoning them in any way. And she'll tell you I think about their well being every gay. I want my baby mother in the ultimate psychological state. So she's not the typical modern woman resentful and and my daughter mirroring these type of personality traits. I want to do everything I can for her.

[Gary]

But you didn't.

[JW Lucas]

Life isn't a very.

[Gary]

It is when you know numerology, astrology, your life is. It is for me when it comes to that now when it comes to.

[JW Lucas]

That stuff, you're in your golden year.

[Gary]

I'm already a multi million at the top the of got my field. I'm the Jordan. It is what it is.

[JW Lucas]

No, you anticipated this to be a huge year for you and it hasn't been.

[Gary]

It's been a great year.

[JW Lucas]

Your relevance is diminishing rapidly. It is. You can't go. We go live in my.

[Gary]

I have more pull. Bro, Bro. How many videos did I just get on your videos? Bro? I'm like diminishing. I'm his number one guest. What the fuck is wrong with you? I'm his number one guest.

[JW Lucas]

You're not getting the engagement I've been.

[Gary]

On here 10 times.

[JW Lucas]

You're an interesting guy and you've been platformed a lot and still don't have pull on social media. I don't have people are terr to platform me cuz I'm Better looking. I'm smarter audience.

[Gary]

Again with the looks.

[JW Lucas]

Shout out.

[Gary]

Again with the looks.

[JW Lucas]

Shout out for platforming.

[Gary]

Again with the looks. Every single time. It's the number one thing that matters to you. You are vain. You're a vain person. You a vain person who left the mother of your child. You are not qualified to be a role model and to teach other men. You want to teach them how to fight.

[JW Lucas]

Incredible. No, I'm going to be the most incredible fight father to her. And I'm transparent about it. I could have kept it secret.

[Gary]

Highly doubtful.

[JW Lucas]

I, I'm, I'm trans about it.

[Gary]

What do you mean highly doubtful?

[JW Lucas]

I let you know the issues. I said this is.

[Gary]

I didn't say you're a liar. This is my say you're a liar.

[JW Lucas]

Grief is that I'm not waking up next to my daughter. But there's trade offs to everything. Me being able to be in an ultimate relationship that inspires me every day to, to evolve, bro. But I am rationalizing the pain in, in some instance and I'm always. It's going to spin it and fuel on the fire. 100% fuel on the fire.

[Gary]

Do that spin.

[JW Lucas]

I'm not going to do the opposite of. Oh no, I better lay low cuz it's my, it's my enemy here. Oh no. I'm popping up right now.

[Gary]

You're popping up.

[JW Lucas]

Shit's going off. Yes. I got a huge.

[Gary]

I've never, I never seen you before today.

[JW Lucas]

Me right now because of him. Hello to me because of him. Okay.

[Gary]

I don't know you.

[JW Lucas]

This is how you became known by people.

[Gary]

No one platform me. No one platform me. I platform myself and I'm platforming. The reason, the reason, the reason I.

[JW Lucas]

Force, I make threats. People do not put me on. Yes, yes.

[Gary]

That's how you become an influencer. You're threatening what, people's asses. They will put you on. It's not how you're doing it, bro.

[JW Lucas]

Get down or lay down with me. Either you're gonna get down and we do it with finesse, through dialogue and through synergy, or it's going to be muscle. And I will take a motherfucker's head off if they get in my way.

[Gary]

There's always going to be someone bigger, bro.

[JW Lucas]

No.

[Gary]

Yes.

[JW Lucas]

No. There's a hierarchy.

[Gary]

You're not the biggest man on the.

[JW Lucas]

Planet other than professional fighters that are training all day.

[Gary]

Maybe so. Maybe so. But you're not the baddest man on the planet, bro.

[JW Lucas]

I'm one of them.

[Gary]

No, you're not.

[JW Lucas]

Yes, I am one of them. Not a professional fighter physically.

[Gary]

Are you a professional fighter?

[JW Lucas]

I could be. Yes, I could be. Yes, I could be.

[Gary]

I could be the president. I could be President of the United States.

[JW Lucas]

I go everywhere expect bro.

[Gary]

I vote by myself.

[JW Lucas]

There could be teaching in this office. I don't bring goons.

[Gary]

I don't. Did I not almost get jumped on the goddamn streets during a live.

[Sean Kelly]

He did.

[Gary]

I was walking by myself and I had 10 niggs over there doing it. OK? I ain't scared of shit.

[JW Lucas]

I think that's degenerate how you just said that.

[Gary]

I don't give a fuck.

[JW Lucas]

I mean to be honest.

[Gary]

It is what it is.

[JW Lucas]

Degenerate.

[Gary]

You know what? You know Myron Gaines, Don Lucre and Fresh. These are all black men I manage. They don't give a fuck. So you're not going to tell me anything about that either.

[JW Lucas]

Have a body biased. Because you're bringing opportunities to them. That doesn't mean that they.

[Gary]

Maybe they're bringing opportunities to me. Maybe they're bringing opportunities to me.

[JW Lucas]

In, in a way, yeah. You're. You're using each other.

[Gary]

You got to get better at that networking thing, bro.

[JW Lucas]

And, and I'm trying to network.

[Gary]

You're trying.

[JW Lucas]

We should be cooperating instead of competing with each other.

[Gary]

I don't see the competition, bro.

[JW Lucas]

I'm talking about.

[Gary]

I don't see any competition.

[JW Lucas]

Captivating and mesmerizing and I enlighten them. Let's talk about real development. I don't want to talk about goofy ass numerology.

[Gary]

Of course you might get smoked.

[JW Lucas]

I want to talk about the nature of reality. Consciousness. What is consciousness to you?

[Gary]

It's what gives us our sense of moral values.

[JW Lucas]

Consciousness specifically is a self referential, self generating feedback loop that informs our decision making. And it all stems from self esteem. Image.

[Gary]

Not all of it. Environment too.

[JW Lucas]

Yourself, your environment, your image of yourself is affected by your environment. When you think about your capacity to make sense of the world. If you have a victim mentality, for instance, you're not going to open up opportunities that. That are going to require resiliency, require tension, doing difficult things. So in terms of your decision making, that's, that's emerging from this limited sense making capacity. Your outcomes are going to be affected. Your, your. Your outcomes then lead to you reflecting on your decision making your choices, the outcomes that you're receiving leaking into your beliefs that leak back into your self image. That's what it.

[Gary]

Also you just said a whole bunch of nothing, bro.

[JW Lucas]

This is.

[Gary]

You said a whole bunch of nothing, bro.

[JW Lucas]

Continuous feedback loop of our consciousness that informs our decision making, our bet making algorithm. Consciousness. It's all about.

[Gary]

You know what, if we have a podcast with a whole bunch of scientists and a whole bunch of nerds, maybe that type of talk will work. You're not going to get. You're not going to get. Not talking like that, bro. Not talking like that.

[JW Lucas]

Talking about our ability to make sense of the world and make good decisions that distinguish us from others.

[Gary]

Yeah. But we have to look at a man's past to see if he actually made those decisions. And I look at your past and I see holes, bro.

[JW Lucas]

There. There's one hole in the.

[Gary]

One big hole. And I don't see how you can be a fucking role model bottle to other men when you have such a big hole. That's huge, bro.

[JW Lucas]

I don't. I don't want to get into.

[Gary]

I know you don't.

[JW Lucas]

Snitching and things like that.

[Gary]

I know you don't. I will. I will give you respect.

[JW Lucas]

Okay.

[Gary]

For being a man.

[JW Lucas]

Is Kanye west an influential individual?

[Gary]

He's a homosexual.

[JW Lucas]

And. And I would agree.

[Gary]

Yeah. And certainly he's a piece of garbage.

[JW Lucas]

I'm about to get around. Yay. And hijack his mind and get him in shape.

[Gary]

Good for you.

[JW Lucas]

And get him back towards.

[Gary]

He know he's a snake. Right? Snake. Right.

[JW Lucas]

It doesn't matter what he is.

[Gary]

Popped off.

[JW Lucas]

Didn't I know as soon as he sees me, we're gonna have an instant bond. I've been mentioned.

[Gary]

How do you know that?

[JW Lucas]

Digital Nas. For a long time. They invited me out to Spain when Sneako was out there. I'm not flying out to Spain to.

[Gary]

See a homosexual to get kicked out.

[JW Lucas]

And you know what? Kanye's extremely degenerate.

[Gary]

Why? You could have met Nick Fuentes there, bro. Why don't you go there?

[JW Lucas]

I'd love to mentor Nick as well.

[Gary]

Let me tell you something, bro. Politically, that guy's not gonna listen to anybody.

[JW Lucas]

He needs.

[Gary]

He thinks he's gonna listen better. Nick Floyd says, bro. Nick Floyd says, you go with.

[JW Lucas]

With your closed circuit perspective, you got to have an open.

[Gary]

I live in a reality you live in. You live in some kind of, like, fantasy land.

[JW Lucas]

No, I don't. I live in reality where it's going to take strong individuals like me busting heads open. Getting us back towards objective human values is what it's really all about. About working hard, developing your mind.

[Gary]

Anyone. Anyone can say that.

[JW Lucas]

Understanding the nature.

[Gary]

Anyone can say that fragility. Okay?

[JW Lucas]

You're not ritualizing enough. Enough discomfort in your life to grow. You in fact want to pander to these that don't want discomfort to give them coping mechanism.

[Gary]

What are you talking about?

[JW Lucas]

Every person.

[Gary]

Give me an example of what you're talking about. What?

[JW Lucas]

Anybody that. That subscribes to the GG33.

[Gary]

You mean billionaires ideology. You mean billionaires in my. In my group who have basically superseded you in every single way possible.

[JW Lucas]

Only financially.

[Gary]

No, no, no. A lot of other ones. I got UFC fighters in my group that will whoop your ass.

[JW Lucas]

And fighting. Yeah, fighting.

[Gary]

You just said financially. I found another one. Fighting. There's. You can't even debate, right, bro?

[JW Lucas]

You're using individual instances.

[Gary]

You just said my group. My group is a lot of individuals. Any FBI agents. I have a lot of people in my group.

[JW Lucas]

If you look at the macro capabilities of any of those individuals, they're not stacking up.

[Gary]

Yes, they are.

[JW Lucas]

No, they're not.

[Gary]

Oh, yes, they are.

[JW Lucas]

List one. We can get into the macro characteristics of an individual. Yes, there's.

[Gary]

There's people who are getting NBA contracts who rep my. Are you out your mind? Playing sports doesn't determine what he does. Only matters what he does. You get it? Only matters when he does something. When other people do it, it doesn't matter. Matter. He's always first person.

[JW Lucas]

Matters is the refinement of your understanding of the world. That's what it really comes down to. What type of refined understanding are you actually retaining your experiences? Are you updating your model in a Bayesian sense? Are you familiar with Bayes theorem? Okay, so you understand that reality is probabilistic. Individuals are constantly updating their beliefs through their experiences from learning new things. It's not determined.

[Gary]

That's what people of high minds do.

[JW Lucas]

But your ideology purports deterministic fallacy.

[Gary]

Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing. You have two things in life. You have destiny and you have free will. Destiny is when you're born and when you die.

[JW Lucas]

You can't have stop in the same.

[Gary]

Yes, you can. I'm about to explain. Chill out. Destiny is when you're born and when you die. Free will is how you get there. That's the difference. You have free. Free will. You have free will.

[JW Lucas]

Die is interlinked to the way you live your life and the decisions.

[Gary]

And that's already written in stone before you're born. And that's already the quality of my life.

[JW Lucas]

By doing difficult things. I understand that humans Are anti fragile systems. Do you understand? Can you differentiate between a complex and a complicated system?

[Gary]

I will say this. If you were. If you were.

[JW Lucas]

Answer the question.

[Gary]

If you were about doing difficult things, you would have stayed with the mother.

[JW Lucas]

Of your child through tumultuous times.

[Gary]

You're not with her to the very end.

[JW Lucas]

I am with her in spirit and, and financially. And I'm going to be all in my child's life and I'm going to have her living right below me in. In the building. I'm. I'm already making arrangements for her to live beneath me. I'm going to marry this woman right here and I'm going to have my baby.

[Gary]

Are you gonna have. Are you gonna get married this year? Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that.

[JW Lucas]

I want to say don't.

[Gary]

Don't get married this year. That's my advice to you. You know, know why do not get married this year. So you could say numerology and astrology is. But you know, to trust me on that one.

[JW Lucas]

Well, there's other factors in play with marriage. Men are being in the legal system.

[Gary]

Yeah, I get it.

[JW Lucas]

And, and she understands my concerns. And it is more about.

[Gary]

I don't have a prenup. I didn't have to worry about that because I knew birthdays.

[JW Lucas]

But you know, and it's more about just the relationship. The intimacy, the bond, the trust. These are the things that are beautiful. Not a marriage certificate from the government. I don't give a fuck about the government. I do things my way. I make the rules. I understand that. Life is an infinite game. There are no rules to the game of life.

[Gary]

There's definitely rules.

[JW Lucas]

There are not.

[Gary]

Yeah. Survival the fittest.

[JW Lucas]

Tell me a legitimate rule of life.

[Gary]

Survival of the finished. That's the rule. Supply and demand.

[JW Lucas]

Well, we know that Darwinism is. Is somewhat being refuted with modern technological understandings of the world.

[Gary]

World. It's less and less.

[JW Lucas]

Yeah, okay, but. But obviously natural selection is how we evolved as a species. The. The. The traits that increase our survivability.

[Gary]

And when society. And when society collapses, we'll have a recycle of things and everything will go back to its natural order like it always does.

[JW Lucas]

Why would you want society to collapse?

[Gary]

It will collapse.

[JW Lucas]

It's not going to collapse.

[Gary]

Yes it was.

[JW Lucas]

We're only going to collapse society if this internally parasitic woke culture metastasizes any further. Again, we divided in America. We need to come together and bring forth the most dominant age of American exceptionalism in history.

[Gary]

Thank God Trump's president. Thank God Trump is president.

[JW Lucas]

Talk about president.

[Gary]

Hey, listen, I love President Trump.

[JW Lucas]

I hate all these motherfuckers like Myron Gaines that are fucking against Trump right now.

[Gary]

He's not against Trump. He voted for Trump.

[JW Lucas]

He voted for Trump and now he's part of these. The woke, right? Like Candace Owens.

[Gary]

I don't know Candace. I don't know Candace. But I will tell you. Byron Gaines told people to vote for Donald Trump. Donald Trump. And guess what? He convinced a lot of his people who listened to him and vote for Donald Trump. Quite frankly.

[JW Lucas]

Quite frankly, I just think he's degenerate in a lot of.

[Gary]

How is he degenerate? Well, since the fact that he's richer than you, he has more clout than you, I don't think you're in a position. They actually given me.

[JW Lucas]

He's not richer than me.

[Gary]

You have, you have eight figures. Then he is. Then you're not rich at the end of this, then he's not richer.

[JW Lucas]

All right, As I said earlier, who gives a.

[Gary]

About so that. So first he's not richer than me. And that is like. Who gives a. You see what I'm talking about? About.

[JW Lucas]

We're in a similar ballpark. He's not substantially wealthier, I'll give you that.

[Gary]

I'll give you that.

[JW Lucas]

He's not, he's not in, in some. Yeah, he's not at the top of the hierarchy.

[Gary]

He has top secret securities. You don't. So you can actually see what's going on in the world.

[JW Lucas]

You can not anymore. He claims he's a fed. And this.

[Gary]

No, he was a fed.

[JW Lucas]

Listen, like I said, I think Myin's smart. I think he's a well spoken.

[Gary]

I think he's smarter than you. He's definitely, well, better spoken than you. If I, if I were you. If I were you. This is real advice. Look at the best people in the game. Andrew Tate, Myon Gaines and Nick Fontes. I don't like him, but he's really good. And look how they talk and learn from them. You're a nine.

[JW Lucas]

This is the problem. I am not a slave to the culture.

[Gary]

Getting better, Being better, bettering yourself as being a slave.

[JW Lucas]

And I study people and they are incredible orders. But, but the, the content that they're pushing is, is terrible.

[Gary]

And what content and what, what content are you pushing?

[JW Lucas]

What does Myron Gaines do to help people? He doesn't know how to train.

[Gary]

He tells. He tells. He tells men not to be.

[JW Lucas]

He doesn't Know how to.

[Gary]

He tells men not to be simps, so they're not.

[JW Lucas]

He turns them into sims.

[Gary]

The hell he does. The hell he does.

[JW Lucas]

Sitting here talking crazy is going to get around a woman and make her develop sincere intimacy and trust bond with them.

[Gary]

I did it. I did it.

[JW Lucas]

And. And you said you have an immigrant.

[Gary]

Yeah, of course. I would never marry an American boy.

[JW Lucas]

Who probably didn't speak English when you met her.

[Gary]

She spoke perfect English for a green part. Perfect. And she could have left 13 years ago if that was.

[JW Lucas]

She's assimilated to our culture.

[Gary]

Yes, she has, because I made her assimilate.

[JW Lucas]

Okay. And that's your.

[Gary]

That is my responsibility. So what I'm trying to tell you is very, very simple. When it comes to Myron, he has helped many men make sure they're not in positions like you, where they have a baby mama. Guess what? You're financially able to take care of people. So money kind of fixes things. So it's not as bad because you have money. But most of the people listen, they don't have money. They don't have the resources. And a baby mama can fucking ruin their lives. And he makes sure they're not. Situations like that.

[JW Lucas]

This is one of the main advocates of fucking goofy shit like sleeping around the. The culture of men not having responsibility.

[Gary]

I've been married for 20 years. I'm not having that conversation. Conversation. He's not. He's. He's not married. He has the right to do what he wants.

[JW Lucas]

No, but when you're.

[Gary]

He's not married.

[JW Lucas]

Pushing this degenerate.

[Gary]

He doesn't have any kids.

[JW Lucas]

Rap culture.

[Gary]

He doesn't have any kids.

[JW Lucas]

This is.

[Gary]

He doesn't want rappers on his program. He hates rappers.

[JW Lucas]

Same culture. No, it's not Last week.

[Gary]

He does not let rappers on his show.

[JW Lucas]

When you talk about sleeping with women, using women for sex, it's the same dynamic.

[Gary]

No, it's not.

[JW Lucas]

A. And sending her home in an uber pool.

[Gary]

I mean, I can say you've done more. More since you're a producer for many of these guys than he has.

[JW Lucas]

No.

[Gary]

And you. You've done that.

[JW Lucas]

And I speak out actively against the.

[Gary]

But the beat. The beats you're. You gave these people. They're using that to basically push all this. That degeneracy. So you had a part in these rappers pushing degeneracy much more than Myron. And you want to bring this up?

[JW Lucas]

No, not much more than.

[Gary]

Much more.

[JW Lucas]

No.

[Gary]

Myron doesn't let.

[JW Lucas]

When. When I can't I can't. He can't even step outside and go to the mall without fear of getting his ass beat up.

[Gary]

He can't fight he outside with me all the time.

[JW Lucas]

I doubt that.

[Gary]

I don't.

[JW Lucas]

And I see every time he goes outside getting pressed. I said getting pressed. I mean, when you use word and say the vile things that he said, there's accountability to that.

[Gary]

Now, like I said, you know, it's a good thing. Florida is a stand your ground state. Yeah, yeah.

[JW Lucas]

And he's not always in Florida where he's got a gun.

[Gary]

You know, he is usually. But I'm going to tell you this, no one's touched myon. And you know what the thing is, he doesn't have a woman at a wedding lock. He doesn't have a baby mama. You do. So I really, really want to reconsider calling him a degenerate when you're doing more degenerate than him.

[JW Lucas]

No, that's one instance and that's a major instance.

[Gary]

It's the biggest one. It's the biggest one. It's the biggest one. Family unit is the number one thing. If you up your nuclear family, that is the number one thing.

[JW Lucas]

Right, I admit that. And, and like I said, and you.

[Gary]

Know, you're a stand up guy. At least he admits.

[JW Lucas]

I'll give it with my girlfriend here. She knows that the incredible life that I'm living and the joy that I derive from this experience of being alive and being myself. I have a lot of struggle with this situation that I'm dealing with, not being in my child's life. She was on a prodigious developmental peak trajectory and I feel disgusting that I'm not impacting her to the extent that I could. Now with that being said, I've become more and more sacrificial. I'm more devoted to developing myself, developing, developing lanes of income, developing my prominence.

[Gary]

You can't call other people degenerates when you've done more degenerate than them.

[JW Lucas]

That's not degenerate.

[Gary]

Yes, it is. Having a kid out of wedlock is degenerate. It's not because that's what handicapped the.

[JW Lucas]

Black culture was, was to maintain the nuclear family unit through all the tumultuous.

[Gary]

Good intentions of the pathway to hell, isn't it?

[JW Lucas]

To some extent. Yeah. And I'm in hell when I think about my daughter a lot. And I'm going to do everything I can to adapt.

[Gary]

You should do that. You're a man, that's your job.

[JW Lucas]

And, and I'm going to, and she's going to be in my life. And I FaceTime her every day. And I do these type of things to be in her life.

[Gary]

FaceTime is not being like being around her and giving her a hug.

[JW Lucas]

She's two years old. And you're right, and it kills me. And I'm going to do everything I can to adapt to that and make sure that I'm physically in her life.

[Gary]

As much as possible. And this is what you should do. If you want to be an influencer. Use your negativity and turn that into the positive. Go look at those people in the camera right there and say, listen, I can teach you certain things. I can help you better your life. But this is where I fucked up. This is where I fucked up. And because learning about and because I up here, this is what you don't do to up like me. That's how you become an influencer. Use your negative and turn it into a positive.

[JW Lucas]

I do.

[Gary]

That's what you do.

[JW Lucas]

I, I. Why do you think I say make extravagant claims like men who commit adultery should be put to death.

[Gary]

Of course that's, that's extreme.

[JW Lucas]

It's, it is.

[Gary]

But maybe women, maybe women, not men.

[JW Lucas]

Women and men, women, more so, have a higher standard. This discipline and, and having superior abilities. More, more discernment, these type of things. There should be more of a burden on a man remaining faithful to his woman than a woman to.

[Gary]

Well, I'm, I'm very faithful to my woman, but one of the reasons I'm faithful to my woman was because she was with me when I was broke. And we built, we built it together. And I think that's so important to have a woman when you're broke because you grow together and you bond together. And that's the best way to build a family. Because me and her can joke about like staying in Motel Sixes with cockroaches. We can joke about that now. And that builds a bond. And I'm going to tell you something, man. You might not believe in this, but if you do the numerology and astrology thing, most men won't fall into that trap. I've married my friend Signs. I married all of that stuff. You might not believe in it, but I'm an example of the way I live life. My, my life.

[JW Lucas]

There's no way to empirically verify that. And there is, there is ways to falsify my ideology, which is life. Being an entropy reduction trainer, you can't tell me that there's any growth without discomfort.

[Gary]

I, I. I can't.

[JW Lucas]

Can you grow without any type of.

[Gary]

You sound like Tate. You sound like Tate. You sound like T. There's levels to it.

[JW Lucas]

You sound like more nuanced, more descriptive. That's the same thing.

[Gary]

He's been saying the same thing for four years, bro.

[JW Lucas]

Okay? And we can dig in on any topic I'm trying to get into.

[Gary]

So hold on, hold on, hold on.

[JW Lucas]

You want to sway the con?

[Gary]

It's already. It's. It's already. It's. It's already done. Are we doing that thing with sports 100? Okay, can you get Sean and Fousey in this or whatever the. These people are? Get them all involved.

[Sean Kelly]

Mozzie's dealing with some.

[Gary]

But get them all involved. Sean. I know. Sean, myself, so get them all involved. And we do this every Monday. We put it up there, and at the end of the year, we see who the best one is.

[Sean Kelly]

We'll get Sean and Elf and maybe one other.

[Gary]

There we go.

[JW Lucas]

Elf and one of the best in sports.

[Gary]

We'll decide. I don't want the top people, so I want the top.

[JW Lucas]

I assure you that within two months, you won't need to have all them. I'm gonna have the entire sports betting market consolidated in my snake year, and then what are you gonna say?

[Gary]

I hear you right now. You're telling me you're having issues in your snake here, so.

[JW Lucas]

No, I'm having the best year of my life. I met the woman of my dreams. A transformational year. I'm you telling. Talking to you, my brother.

[Gary]

Don't get. Don't get married this year.

[JW Lucas]

I'm ascending.

[Gary]

No matter what he tells you, don't get married.

[JW Lucas]

And all my brothers need to band up and get with this objectivity.

[Gary]

Anyways. Anyways, it's time to wrap it up.

[JW Lucas]

Intro, reduction, comment below.

[Gary]

What else you got for. Where can people reach you? Go ahead.

[JW Lucas]

You can reach me on x at JW Lucas x702 or Instagram. JW Lucas702. I love everyone in here.

[Sean Kelly]

Since you know where to find Gary, comment below.

[Gary]

Who you.

[Sean Kelly]

By the way, I want to see who you guys think.