Kagehiro Mitsuyami: AI Hacks for Job Interviews 🔥 Unveiled! | DSH #1500

Summary

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Digital Social Hour, Episode #1500

Kagehiro Mitsuyami: AI Hacks for Job Interviews 🔥 Unveiled!

Date: August 19, 2025
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Kagehiro Mitsuyami (Founder, AI job interview company)

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Overview

In this dynamic episode, Sean Kelly sits down with Kagehiro Mitsuyami, a rising entrepreneur at the leading edge of AI-driven job interview tools. Their open dialogue explores the realities of the hyper-competitive tech job market, how AI is transforming job-seeking, and Kagehiro’s personal journey from relentless applicant to viral startup founder. They also detour into personal anecdotes, the future of AI in work and society, and philosophies on learning, company culture, and life in tech.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Brutal Tech Job Market & The Need for AI

• Job Saturation & Application Fatigue:
  • Kagehiro recounts submitting 1,800 job applications and receiving only 2 offers, underscoring how competitive and discouraging the market is right now, especially for new grads (12:00–13:35).
  • Insight: Most recruiters decide within the first 20 resumes due to sheer application volume (00:08, 12:32).
  • Memorable quote:

    “So the rest of the people who are waiting on the pipeline is left in the dust. It’s done.”
    —Kagehiro, [00:17], [12:42]

• Senior Engineers Crowd Out Juniors:
  • Layoffs have flooded the market with experienced talent; juniors and bootcamp grads compete at a disadvantage (08:26–08:51).
• Overemployment Trend:
  • AI tools now enable some engineers to “job stack,” easily handling multiple full-time gigs remotely, sometimes reaching $500–$600K annual income (04:44–05:45).
    • Term: “Overemployed” (05:42).
  • Notable anecdote:

    "He got four job offers using our tools and he's working four jobs at the same time."
    —Kagehiro, [04:44]

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2. Kagehiro’s AI Interview Tool—Features & Origination

• How It Works:
  • The AI listens in on Google Meet/Zoom interviews, reads questions off the screen, and feeds answers to the user—fully automated, real-time (02:02–02:31).
  • Designed for a smooth user experience, eliminating manual hassles (02:31–02:39).
• Origin Story:
  • Viral videos of “cheating” in interviews originated with Kagehiro’s guerrilla marketing. The “sneaky” second-person angle attracted viewers by playing on hidden perspectives (02:43–03:23).
• Virality & Creation Philosophy:
  • Sometimes the lowest-effort, most natural videos go viral (03:31–04:19).
    • Quote:

      "Editing took me like five minutes and just post it. But some video, if I took a lot of efforts to editing… it doesn’t do as well. Sometimes just some random ass video just pop off."
      —Kagehiro, [04:10]

  • Relatability and unscripted content outperform polished productions (04:27–04:38).

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3. The AI-Driven Future of Work and Education

• Education’s Outdated Value:
  • Both guest and host are critical of traditional college degrees, seeing AI as a faster, up-to-date, and more efficient learning tool (09:37–10:38).
    • Quote:

      “The school is a scam right now. Like the degree kind of worthless because you can learn so much faster with AI and they're all up to date informations.”
      —Kagehiro, [09:37]

  • Schools teach outdated material (e.g., old frameworks in CS, newspaper ads in marketing).
• AI Accelerates Learning:
  • Example: Materials taught in a semester can be learned in a week with AI (08:51–09:18).
  • AI enables learners to skip the "fluff" and get right to the essentials.
• Memory Is Optional:
  • With AI, factual recall becomes less relevant; the meta-skill is learning how to search and utilize AI, not memorize data (16:12–16:42).

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4. AI Disruption Across Industries

• Knowledge Work in the Crosshairs:
  • Contrary to early fears that AI would replace low-skill jobs first, the reality is that AI excels in knowledge-based fields: engineering, consulting, medicine, law, and finance (15:40–15:58).
    • Quote:

      "AI is so good at knowledge based job. For example, white-collar jobs like engineers, consultant, even like in medicine field… all they do is just memory stuff. Memory, the patterns."
      —Kagehiro, [15:40]

• AI in Healthcare & Law:
  • Dentists now use AI to detect cavities; full-body MRIs are AI-analyzed for errors (22:05–22:34).
  • Contracts and legal work are increasingly automated—regular lawyers face job loss; only those leveraging AI remain competitive (39:31–40:05).
• Even Influencers and Fitness Coaches:
  • AI is being trained on influencer voices and routines to provide scalable, personalized coaching (38:32–39:19).

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5. The Future: Automated Job Search and New Roles

• End of Manual Applications:
  • Kagehiro’s upcoming AI product will fully automate job search and application processes to spare users his “1,800 application” struggle (26:53–27:15).
    • Quote:

      “Nobody should do that. You should be just living your life and then been playing video games while the AI is on the background doing all that for you.”
      —Kagehiro, [27:12]

• Monitor, Don’t Memorize:
  • The job of the future may just be monitoring and guiding AI, not executing the details hands-on (23:16–23:24).
• Degrees & Backgrounds Are Less Critical:
  • With AI, anyone can step into previously specialized roles, like software engineering, regardless of background (23:13–23:24).

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6. Company Culture—Gamers Welcome

• Unique Recruiting Criteria:
  • Kagehiro asks job applicants about their video game rankings (League of Legends—must be at least “Emerald”); believes top gaming skill demonstrates commitment and learning (29:04–29:41).
    • Quote:

      “If you are really good at a game, it means that you can do well in something you love.”
      —Kagehiro, [29:41]

• Philosophy:
  • Success is about focus and time investment, not innate IQ (30:19–30:26).

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7. Personal Stories & Broader Reflections

• Family and Upbringing:
  • Candid discussion of Asian parental expectations—school prestige, GPA, and spouse background (10:38–11:16; 36:09–37:24).
  • Cross-cultural dating stories with plenty of humor and empathy (37:09–38:04).
• Reddit, SEO, and Modern Hustle:
  • Both use Reddit extensively for raw info, networking, and even guerrilla SEO (31:02–33:01).
• Health, Work Ethic, IQ & Alternatives:
  • Chat about IQ’s real-world relevance; emotional intelligence and work ethic matter more than test scores (35:15–35:50).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:17 | Kagehiro | “So the rest of the people who are waiting on the pipeline is left in the dust. It’s done.” | | 04:44 | Kagehiro | "He got four job offers using our tools and he's working four jobs at the same time." | | 09:37 | Kagehiro | “The school is a scam right now. Like the degree kind of worthless because you can learn so much faster with AI…” | | 15:40 | Kagehiro | "AI is so good at knowledge based job. For example, white-collar jobs like engineers, consultant, even like in medicine field..." | | 16:12 | Sean | "Memory is interesting because they teach you memory in school. But it seems like with AI you don't really need to have good memory anymore." | | 27:12 | Kagehiro | “Nobody should do that. You should be just living your life and then been playing video games while the AI is on the background doing all that for you.” | | 29:41 | Kagehiro | “If you are really good at a game, it means that you can do well in something you love. Like that's really simple…” |

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Useful Timestamps for Key Segments

• Job Market Realities: 00:00–01:23, 12:00–13:56
• Viral Marketing & Founding the Company: 02:39–04:27
• AI Interview Tool Explanation: 02:00–02:39
• AI and Overemployment: 04:44–06:14
• Education vs. AI: 09:37–10:38
• AI Replacing Knowledge Jobs: 15:40–16:12
• Automating Job Searches (Future Product): 26:53–27:24
• Video Game Skill as Hiring Filter: 29:04–29:41
• Experiences with Reddit and SEO: 31:02–33:01
• Cross-cultural and Family Stories: 36:09–38:04
• AI in Health and Legal Professions: 22:05–22:58, 39:31–40:05

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Tone & Language

The conversation is raw, fast-paced, and honest, marked by humor, candid language, and relatable anecdotes. Both host and guest skip corporate platitudes for real talk about how people actually get jobs and succeed (or fail) in the 2020s tech world.

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Where to Find Kagehiro

• Company: locking.com
• Social:
  • Instagram & TikTok: @OldSchoolBoosted

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Summary Takeaway

If you’re a frustrated job seeker, an AI-curious professional, or simply interested in how tech shapes modern career paths, this episode is a must. Kagehiro offers real-life perspective on why AI is not just a tool, but a necessary ally in a saturated, fast-changing job economy—and why adaptability, unfiltered thinking, and yes, even gaming skill, may matter more than what your degree says.

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Transcript

[A]

He posts a job for one hour and in less than an hour they got 200 people applying for the job.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

He said he doesn't even have time to look at all this resume. He said he looked at probably the first 20 resume and then he already decided who's gonna hire.

[C]

Damn.

[A]

So the rest of the people who are waiting on the pipeline is left in the dust. It's done.

[B]

Okay, guys, we got Kage hero here today. He just survived a dust storm in Vegas. Was that your first dust storm?

[A]

Yeah, first ever. It was kind of crazy. Like, I almost feel like if I'm sitting a little bit close to the front and some store, like some rocks gonna hit rise through the windows and just hit it.

[B]

Welcome to Vegas, right? Yeah, welcome to Vegas. Well, you're from New York, right? That's where you're at right now? Yeah, I love, I love the east coast. I grew up in Jersey, so yes.

[A]

Originally I was from LA before and after I moved to New York, I just found out this is my spot. Like, people just living right next to each other and you can just find so many stuff going on. You don't need to drive around la.

[B]

Traffic is the worst. The networking's good in la, so I'll say that. But just driving an hour everywhere is annoying. It was New York. You could just walk outside. Maybe walk 10 minutes and you're at the meeting, right?

[A]

Yeah, exactly. I mean, the driving also sucks in New York. There's so many potholes on the. On the streets.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like there was a one funny story. Like my friend also was like, there's so many thieves, like stealing your car's wheels.

[B]

The wheels, yes.

[A]

My friend just parked his cars right off his house and somebody just took all his wheels the next day.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Wake up. That's gone. There's some rocks on the bottom.

[B]

Holy crap. That's nuts. Was it a nice car?

[A]

It was like Lexus.

[B]

Damn.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Damn, that sucks. Okay, so getting into your company, it's an AI company that helps people with job interviews, right?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Could you explain what it does?

[A]

So, for example, if you have Google Meet or Zoom meeting and you are the interviewers on our side, when you turn on the AI, it can listen to everything that interviewer says and automatically give you answers. You don't need to press everything. It can also see whatever the stuff going on on your screen. So, for example, if you are a software engineer, they give you some legal type of questions and the question is presented on the screen right now our AI can also see that and Give you answers immediately.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. So it's fully automated. We don't want any hassles that users are going to face. So make them experience. Very smooth.

[B]

So when you see those viral cheating and interview videos, did you start those?

[A]

Yes, I was the one that started those videos.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Because those are, those are so viral, dude.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Right now everybody started to do that kind of like type of video contest. My ideas originally was coming from some. Some girlfriends and boyfriends. They're cheating and the girlfriend was filming from the back of the dude's phone and then saw that they are swiping something or texting some girls.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

That's where I get my ideas from. It's like, okay, those like second person's angle and feels like some sneaky shit is going down that attracts people because people want to see oh, what is really going on there.

[B]

Right. That's smart. And you were probably guerrilla marketing, Right. You didn't have a lot of capital when you were starting.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Just like everything in house.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I didn't know the video is gonna blow up. I mean the first video it was reached to 100k. I was so happy. And now like our highest view is like 136 million views.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

Like that one, it doesn't give me the same satisfaction as when I just hit my first 100k.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, actually.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Because 100, there's many people that don't even hit 1 million. So you're hitting 136 million. You could probably only count maybe a thousand people that have ever done that before.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And also it's very funny that I only put like 30 sec. 30 minutes at most on that video.

[B]

Like wow.

[A]

In terms of scripts and then filming the content and editing. Editing took me like five minutes and just post it.

[B]

Crazy.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But some video, if I took a lot of efforts to editing all this stuff, it doesn't do as well. Sometimes just some random ass video just pop off.

[B]

The more natural the better. I noticed.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

People want to feel like it's not scripted.

[C]

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

They want to watch a video and relate to it. It's more relatable when you don't edit it too much.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Have someone use this and gotten a really high paying job.

[A]

It does. There's one user actually. You know what's crazy? He got four job offers using our tools and he's working four jobs at the same time.

[B]

No way.

[A]

Literally. And then he just got laid off by one of them. And he told me, yo bro, I need to Hop on on the app again because he needs. So basically he's making like 500k 600k a year. So it's four jobs. At first I was like bro, you are making more than me. No. When I just started company and he said I need one more so he can fill in the gap. Cuz all he do is just, just working. He said he doesn't do any like social life, whatever. All he do is working. So he has a few more hours. And also he's a software engineer. Software engineer is easier to do a lot of jobs at the same time because you are doing remotely. So that's there's pretty quiz.

[B]

There's a word for that when you do two jobs at the same time. I forget what word it is. Job stacking or something.

[C]

Over.

[A]

Overemployed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Over employees.

[B]

Yeah. I can't believe people can do that if, if I did two full time jobs at the same time.

[A]

Software is easier because for software engineers you, if you are good you can probably finish your work in two hours.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

A lot of my software engineer friend like they finish their job in two, three hours. Rest of the time they start going to the gym and like 2pm and the rest of time they're working on their own personal projects. They have so many free time.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Is that because of AI they're using AI to code faster?

[A]

No, before AI coming in for example, before ChatGPT all this AI coming in, they already like a lot of software engineers already started doing that.

[C]

Wow. Yeah.

[A]

Also there was a period of time those big tech companies over hire so many people to the workforce. So for example from after Covid everybody becomes remote.

[C]

Right.

[A]

So those big companies hire so many software engineers just to fill the quota.

[C]

Mm.

[A]

And I mean also that's why right now they're laying off so many software engines. It's not, not just because of AI, it's because actually they just over hire so many people.

[B]

Got it.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

There does seem to be a lot of competition to get jobs right now. Right? In the tech space specifically.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

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[A]

It's so much competition. Like before, before I, before I get into computer science major, you need to do. They told me, right? My mentor told me, okay, you need to do like 300 legal questions. And when I just started, each legal question took me five hours to complete.

[B]

Holy shit.

[A]

So imagine 300 of them. You need to complete that. And the school doesn't even teach you those legal type questions. They teach you some basic algorithm type questions. But after you graduate, you are on your own. Yeah, but imagine now it's even more complicated. You probably need to finish like 500 legal questions just to pass the interviews.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

You don't even actually use those questions or everything you learn from that, you don't even actually use it in your actual job. Like the actual job is way easier. That's why I said they can do two hours and then they'll be done for the rest of the day.

[B]

So the application is harder than the job.

[A]

Yeah, way harder than the job.

[B]

It's like the SATs are like taking tests for school, right?

[A]

And you, right now, they're also competing with bunch of senior engineers who got laid off and they are put themselves into the market again. So if you are just graduated as a young grad or just somebody who are transitioning from Korea, like you taking a coding boot camp, right. You have very low chance competing with those senior level people. They just know more.

[C]

Right? Right.

[A]

But AI, that's why the AI is stepping into the questions, right? The AI filling this gap between those people who have already have so much knowledge and, and the people who are like junior position or like young grads. So because with AI you can quickly learn so much stuff on it. Like typically, let's say the school teach you the whole material for one semester, you can learn it from AI in one week.

[B]

100%. I'm a big reader, like of books, but I'll use ChatGPT to summarize books chapter by chapter.

[A]

For me it's just way more efficient.

[B]

I'm learning way faster because there's a lot of fluff in books. You know, there's a lot of stuff that it doesn't really matter. So if you just get to the core details of books with AI, you could learn so much.

[A]

Yes, exactly. And the, the thing about, that's why I also always tell my friends that the school is a scam right now. Like the degree kind of worthless because you can learn so much faster with AI and they're all up to date informations. The what the school teaches you are so outdated. Like for example, in my field, computer science, what they teach is probably some stack or framework they used 20 years ago. Like the professor just doesn't bother to change the material, upgrade the material, you know?

[B]

Same with marketing. When I went for marketing, they were teaching how to run newspaper ads.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, it's all social media nowadays, right?

[B]

No, it's crazy. They didn't even talk about social media because it wasn't in the textbook.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. But they don't even bother to change it because they. Because the school has reputation. So they know you're gonna get. It's also a marketing. Right. They know you get marketed into buying to that school.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And whatever they teach you inside.

[B]

Did you go to a really good school?

[A]

I wouldn't say like really good school is like New York Universities.

[B]

Okay. Nyu.

[A]

Nyu.

[B]

That's pretty good, right?

[A]

Yeah, I made Asian standard.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Asian standard. That's average. Yeah, but for average people, that's a pretty good school.

[A]

Well, I assume.

[B]

Yeah, but your parents weren't happy.

[A]

Yeah, my parents weren't happy. They said, oh, this is not even in the top 10. My dad was like, I haven't heard of it.

[C]

This is.

[B]

This is an Ivy League.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What was your GPA?

[A]

My GPA was like 3.6.

[B]

It's not bad. But for an Asian. That's low.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, that's pretty low.

[A]

I wasn't paying too much attention at school, you know. Honestly.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

During the time I was. I mean, the first year I was really into like really starting really hard and my gpa was like 3.3.9.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

And then starting from the second semester, I was putting a lot more time finding jobs.

[B]

Sophomore year, high school.

[A]

No, no, no. In my master.

[B]

Oh, master. Okay.

[A]

Yeah, in my master. So in the second year of my master, I started put so much time into finding jobs because I applied for 1800 jobs.

[B]

Holy.

[A]

Once I started applying for jobs. 1800, that's insane.

[B]

There's that many jobs to apply for.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

So with manual. Manual field job application and also auto field applications, it's just hybrid of both. Like also there's Easy apply on LinkedIn. Yeah, I just apply so many.

[B]

I've used that before. Yeah, LinkedIn.

[A]

It's kind of useless for the.

[B]

Yeah, I feel like they get so many of those.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because my friend, he's a recruiter, he said he posts a job for one hour and in less than an hour they got 200 people applying for the job.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

He said he doesn't even have time to look at all this resume. He said he looked at probably the first 20 resume and then he already decided who was going to hire.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

So the rest of the people who are waiting on the pipeline thinking they can get a jobs, get interviews, it's left in the dust, it's done.

[B]

So out of those 1800, how many did you hear back from?

[A]

I got 50 interviews.

[B]

Off of 50.

[A]

Yeah, 50 interviews and then I got two job offers at the end. But they were lowballing me during the time because I graduated at 2022. December. That's where all the tech market, tech companies were laying off people. Right. So. So they know they can get you at a way cheaper price. They even hire senior level engineers with like a mid or junior price.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah, that's nuts. So you basically had to apply for 900 jobs to get one offer.

[A]

Yes, basically. And the more craziest thing is that the first 1,000 I didn't actually hear back from them.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

The first 1,000 I didn't.

[B]

So a lot of people would have given up by then.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I saw on TikTok people were also complaining about this job market right now. They're saying, oh, I applied for 200, 300, while. Look at that. I was like, there's way, you need to do way more.

[B]

Those are rookie numbers.

[A]

Numbers.

[B]

Still though, the fact that you need to apply for that many is crazy to me. If you're, if you have the skills.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's why right now, if you look at the ranking of the hardest job to get, the hardest major to get a job, the top 10.

[C]

Are.

[A]

The computer engineer are in the second one, I remember is in the second one and the computer science on the fifth one. And then they said AI is coming in and replacing the engineers.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And for me, I feel like it is happening.

[B]

You think it's already happening right now it's happening.

[A]

It's on the process of happening. Like replacing the human engineers.

[B]

Jeez.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's going to save companies a lot of money.

[A]

Yeah, it's going to save them a lot of money. But a lot of people are not going to be able to find jobs to feed their families.

[B]

That's scary because it's already replacing the easier jobs. Grocery stores, cashiers, customer service.

[A]

Well, actually I feel like it's kind of reversed. So before they think when the AI comes over, they're going to replace all these, like for example, I hope you.

[B]

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[A]

Hairdressers, like cashiers, all that stuff. And Amazon also did a study, did a campaign. Right. So they have no human cashier inside the Amazon store, only using camera. But it turns out to be they are using all the Indians to monitor if you're buying it and then manually check out for you.

[B]

Oh really?

[A]

Yeah, they said they are using AI to see who you are and then automatically deduct it from your account. But actually it's not. They are using human what?

[B]

I didn't know that.

[A]

Yeah. So it turns out to be a hoax.

[B]

So they were just trying to save money.

[A]

No, because the AI was not that advanced for those type of like cashier type of job. But the AI is so good at knowledge based job. For example, why call job like engineers, consultant, even like in medicine field pharmacies. Because you need to remember so many stuff.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And AI kind of had unlimited brains because they don't need to touch, they don't need to feel. A lot of stuff where your brain is functioning for. So all they do is just memory stuff. Memory, the patterns.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Memory is interesting because they teach you memory in school. But it seems like with AI you don't really need to have good memory anymore.

[A]

Yeah, honestly you don't need to have good memories.

[B]

Like if I forget something I just pull up chatgpt real quick, you know.

[A]

Well, I think the st. The school should teach people how to like search those information. Right, right. Or teaching them how to use those AI tools in the futures instead of.

[B]

Banning them, they should be teaching them.

[A]

Yeah, the remembering stuff.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. A lot of schools, I remember when AI first came out, they banned it. Yeah, I thought that was a mistake.

[A]

Yeah, this is definitely a mistake because how can you ban it? I don't know. You have used check before.

[B]

Check, check.

[A]

C H E G G. No.

[B]

What's up? Oh, Chegg.

[A]

Chegg.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So like the professor will give you some homework.

[C]

Right.

[A]

But you can't find all the answers on Chegg.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

That company wasn't even banned. Right. Like you find all the answers even. Even the exams you can find online.

[B]

Yeah, I used to do that course.

[A]

Hero.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Like you.

[B]

I used to use all those Spark notes, Cliff Notes, all that stuff. Man, I never wanted to read the full book.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Just like this. All these books this thick, dude. And the actual substance is probably in that one page.

[B]

If that, if that they chose the books we read, you know, we didn't choose them.

[A]

Exactly. And then you gotta pay so much money for that book too. Like 100 each at least, bro.

[B]

Each professor? Yeah, 100 each. I don't even think some of the classes we opened at once and I still bought the book.

[A]

Exactly. You still bought a book?

[B]

Yeah. Crazy times, man. What AI are you using on a daily basis right now? How are you using it?

[A]

So I use definitely ChatGPT. I use Claude. Claude is so good at engineering task, computer science task. I also use Perplexity for deep research. And also the content generated itself, it doesn't have. It has way higher word limits than the ChatGPT can generate. So it's like more comprehensive.

[B]

I like Perplexity a little more than chatgpt. I feel like it's more accurate.

[A]

What kind of task are you doing?

[B]

Research on guests, research on books, summaries. If I need to summarize a podcast, like a four hour podcast episode, I'll use that. Looking up the best conferences to attend, the best type of people, where do I meet them, stuff like that. Networking tips. Yeah, there's so many ways you could use it, it's crazy.

[A]

Yeah, you know, that's very interesting because I need to start using that for those conferences too.

[B]

Oh yeah, I find the best conferences, the best masterminds, the best membership clubs. I just found out there's a club launching at the Wynn Hotel here in December. I'm gonna join that. All from Perplexity.

[A]

Oh, you're based in.

[B]

Yeah, I live here.

[A]

You're born here?

[B]

No, born in Jersey. Yeah, Mom's from China, so I went to Beijing when I was in elementary school.

[C]

Oh, Beijing.

[A]

Yeah, that's the, that's the top tier of this, where the China is at, likes the imperial state.

[B]

You've been there?

[A]

Yeah, I've been there.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

The people in China, they were feeling, when they hear about people from Beijing, they say, oh, you are like privileged.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know that actually. Privileged.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

You speak Mandarin?

[A]

Yeah, I speak Mandarin.

[B]

Nice. That's my one regret in life.

[A]

Oh, your mom?

[B]

I don't speak it because my mom married a white guy. So I didn't grow up in that environment. In good old English. It's hard to beat English, right?

[A]

I mean, English is all you need at this, at this day and age.

[B]

I feel like soon there'll be AI to translate languages for you right on the spot, I'd imagine. I remember when the might have been Google, they launched some technology, but it didn't take off some headset.

[A]

Yeah, you can just. You can just plug in and then they will automatically translate whatever they say in real time.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I want to get that.

[A]

Because right now all these translation tools like have delays. Like you have to. They have to hear the full sentence and then give you.

[B]

That's too long though.

[A]

Yeah, that's too long.

[B]

It makes it awkward.

[A]

Yeah, just I'm waiting for 10 seconds for. Waiting for the translate.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. It needs to be on the spot.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What else is exciting you with AI? Anything you plan on using it for in the future?

[A]

I'm definitely very interested about having the AI to do a lot automated tasks for you. I'll say like in the near future is just doing so many mundane routine like schedulings and even start networking like reaching out people digitally. Like for you.

[B]

I think it could do that already.

[A]

Yeah, you can do that. But there's so many like anti bot like so you have AI working networking for you, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the companies of all this website, they also have an anti bar system to check if you are human.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That happened to me because I use Dripify on LinkedIn. Have you heard of that one?

[C]

No.

[B]

Dripify IO. But yeah, LinkedIn will censor me like every once in a while because it's working too fast.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like you know the reason the mechanism of the back end, how they detect you are human. It's just you are more sloppy and you are way less accurate executing the task.

[B]

That makes sense.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know those like captcha.

[C]

Yeah. Right.

[A]

So when you click on for example, they have shown some numbers like 1, 2, 3, 4.

[C]

Right.

[A]

You need to click on them. You know how they detect you if you are robot or AI or human? It's like how your mouse are moving. So on the robot, once it detected it's linear. Right. So all linear direction to that digit and you click on it. But as a human you are like shifting around. So you are undecided.

[B]

I could see that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow, that's interesting. Yeah. I don't know. I'm really excited. I'm using it for my health too. I got a dental scan and they used the dentist used AI to see how many cavities I had. Isn't that crazy?

[C]

Wow.

[B]

They scan the image and then the.

[A]

Scan image with AI with AI.

[B]

And then they saw I had some gum issues, some cavities and then I got an MRI scan. This company called prnuvo, they used AI to analyze all the body scans. Crazy.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Because it's. There's third Leading cause of death in the medical space is misdiagnosis. So.

[A]

And then it can be more. Way more accurate than the human.

[B]

Yeah, AI is way more accurate, you know, so I'm very excited with health and then with making money, too, because there's going to be AI, stock traders, AI Forex, AI crypto. They're going to be deadly.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm also very interested in, like, AI in the future. And anybody can work on any jobs. You don't need any degrees, you don't need a background, because AI can do all this work for you.

[C]

Right.

[B]

So you don't have to spend 10 years learning something.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You just need to monitor. So there will still be jobs, but you are the one that monitor if the AI is doing a good job or not.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Going haywire.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So you are art major. You can still go be a software engineer.

[B]

Damn, man. You like boxing, huh? You're going to call out some people right now.

[A]

Well, I like ufc.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

UFC more like, I do Taekwondo before. Yeah, I mean, definitely. Like, I would say, have you watched that anime called Kicking Ashura?

[B]

Nah.

[A]

It's like the big company CEOs, you know, Sony versus Centerponic, Panasonic, and they have their best fighters come to the arenas and just fight to death. And whoever wins, wins the market shares.

[C]

Wow. Yeah.

[B]

That's brutal. Yeah, I like. I like ufc. I like fighting. It's one of my favorite sports to watch.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I also feel like right now, all these worlds, like, companies fighting each other, like, yeah, the president should be fighting one on one. Like, too many people are suffering. Right.

[B]

They should start a league of all the company CEOs. Yeah, I would watch that. Apple versus Samsung, whatever, you know?

[A]

Yeah, definitely. So, you know, in my space, I would say, like, whoever's want to compete for the market share is like, let's hop on the game, let's start fighting.

[B]

You know, I remember when Zuckerberg was gonna fight Elon.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I would have been front row there if that happened. The Rome Coliseum. Rome Coliseum.

[A]

They said, yeah, I'll bet on. I'll bet on Mark Zuckerberg.

[B]

Oh, yeah, he would win. It wouldn't be close.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Elon's older. Mark's been training Jiu jitsu.

[A]

You know, I can see he's, like, getting ripped.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, he's looking good. You think you could take Mark Zuckerberg in a fight?

[A]

I think I can take him. Yeah. I'll crush him.

[B]

He's looking ripped, bro. He's training with UFC champions. He'd be A tough opponent.

[A]

Well, it might be, but we'll see.

[C]

We'll see.

[A]

In the game, who's your favorite fighter? I would say Khabib. I like Kabib.

[B]

You think he's the goat? Yeah, I think he's the goat over Jon Jones.

[A]

I didn't watch that much for Jon Jones, okay?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But I see him on Tick Tock all the time, so. And he hasn't lose yet, right? So.

[B]

Yeah, well, he has one loss, but he. It was like a disqualification. He did a 12 to 6 elbow. I got. I got Jon Jones, but this Topuria guy, did you see the last fight with him and Charles Oliveira?

[C]

No.

[B]

He could be next.

[A]

He could be next.

[B]

He could be next.

[C]

Dude.

[B]

He's knocking out people in the first round. He reminds me of Conor McGregor.

[C]

Oh, shit.

[B]

Yeah, McGregor was a beast.

[A]

But I also saw like Jon Jones, like, he's so good at grappling too. Yeah, grappling and wrestling.

[B]

You have to be. You know, if you're not good at that, then people are just going to take you to the ground.

[A]

Yeah, he was. There was a video. He was fighting with Gordon.

[B]

Gordon Ryan?

[A]

Yeah, Gordon Ryan.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was like, gordon Ryan's like the gold of Jiu jitsu, right? And he was like doing that with.

[B]

I saw that one, yo.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

That's impressive. Shout out to Gordon. He's coming on the pod too.

[C]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah. Being in Vegas makes it easy. A lot of these fighters live here. They're here for UFC or boxing. We got Manny Pacquiao coming on next week. Boxer. Should be a fun week, dude. What. What's next for you, though?

[A]

What do you mean next?

[B]

What's like the next step for the company? Like, what do you plan on releasing any releases this year or anything? Any updates?

[A]

Yeah, so we're planning to release this bot, the AI that can automatically search up for you and automatically apply all the jobs for you.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

So nobody can go through the pain I went through.

[B]

You spent a lot of hours doing those 1800 applications.

[A]

Yeah, I think nobody should do that. You should be just living your life and then been playing video games while the AI is on the background doing all that for you.

[B]

What video games are you playing right now?

[A]

I'm still playing League.

[B]

League of Legends.

[A]

I'm playing League of Legends.

[B]

You're a sweat, bro.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That game pisses me off, Diamond. Oh, my God. Yeah, no, I had to quit that game.

[A]

I. I wanted to.

[B]

I rage quit so bad in that game.

[A]

I feel. I feel. I feel like sometimes Your teammate just like start tilting, right?

[B]

And then you can't leave. You're stuck in the game when they. Yeah, you know, I want to leave.

[A]

You get like punishment.

[B]

Exactly. I want to be able to leave on my own. Like, that's why I play Fortnite. Because if I have a bad game, I could just leave, you know?

[A]

Yeah, I. I'll start running down like my teammate is tilting. I'll start running down mid.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And yeah, like if I have. If their enemy team is like fat as and you're still not living, there must be something going on in their brain, you know?

[B]

Is diamond high? I don't know the rankings in that game.

[A]

I would say like diamond is like point like 2%.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Like 1% of the population.

[B]

So you're almost a pro.

[A]

No, I mean, I wouldn't say a pro.

[B]

0.1% is close, isn't it?

[A]

Oh, but those challengers or pro players, they are like 0.001% something.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I know. The money's insane in League of Legends, right? If you're at the top.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

But it's stressful.

[A]

Oh, it's stressful. Like you gotta play the games like 10 hours a day. Like 12 hours. And then there's a post game analysis. You got like the coaches reviewing what you did wrong, all that stuff. So it's not. It's the actual job.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

But I told my co founders, I said you, all of you got to be above emerald. So I know you can be good at something.

[C]

Right.

[B]

That's the company culture you're building.

[A]

The company culture is like my company culture. I literally post on my LinkedIn it says if you want to join company, you got to be at least Emerald.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

So above Emerald is Diamond. So you got to be at least Emerald.

[C]

Damn.

[A]

Yeah, because I will be asking you like, what kind of games do you love to play? And if you are really good at a game, it means that you can do well in something you love. Like that's really simple because AI can now all the interview questions like ask you. The AI can answer it. Some of the candidate probably using my tools when they're doing the interviews.

[B]

So if someone sucks at League of Legends and they apply to work for you.

[A]

Well, not technically league. It's just like what do you love to do? Okay, I'll ask him what you love to do. If it happens to be league, then I have a. I know a matrix. You got to be at least Emerald.

[C]

Right?

[A]

So I'm guessing Fortnite also have some rank yeah, there's.

[B]

Yeah, there's ranks. So you would require them probably to be like Platinum. Yeah, yeah, that's the second highest one.

[A]

Yeah, Platinum, man.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That's cool though, because it does show you have work ethic if you can reach those levels. Because obviously no one's good at video games at first. So to get to the top levels, you need to put in some work.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's like you were putting way more time than other people's because a lot of most of people's IQ is not that much different.

[C]

Right.

[A]

It's about how many times you're putting in. And if you just putting more time, you will definitely get what you want.

[B]

Right.

[A]

All right. Cause after I graduated, I have no idea about how to start my business. I don't even know like aws, you know, those cloud servers. And I just learned. I just took my time to learn it from the AI.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

And also some online resources like Reddit. Reddit is a good source of information.

[B]

Reddit's fire. Yeah, I use Reddit a few times a month. Yeah, it's good for finding restaurants. It's good. There's one thread called Fat Fire. Have you been on that one?

[A]

Is in Vegas.

[B]

No, it's Fat Fire. It's a bunch of young people with money talking about how to grow their wealth.

[C]

No.

[B]

Yeah, I think it's like you need to be. I don't know if there's an age limit, but you need to have a net worth of. It's either a million or 5 million or something. Oh, and then we just talk about investing tips and how to make money, how to protect your assets.

[A]

Fat Fire.

[B]

Fat Fire. That's a good one, bro. But Reddit's solid because people are so honest on Reddit. Because you're anonymous.

[A]

Yeah, but that's why also a lot of companies start do their SEOs on Reddit. Like they were posting some kind of like a fake reviews, but pretending to be like a real human.

[B]

Yeah, I can see that.

[A]

I mean, I also, I also use it. I'm gonna be honest. Like, I also use it. I gotta take advantage of Reddit.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know Reddit don't ban me.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Shout out to Reddit. What's your karma on Reddit? You high?

[A]

So I got an account from my friend and he has like 10,000 karma.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

So that account never got. Gonna get banned.

[B]

I was thinking about buying one like that too, because. Pretty useful, right?

[A]

Yeah, it's so useful because if you just get a bunch of account with a hundred karma. Even 1000 karma. Like you post something that Reddit feels is an advertisement, it's going to get banned, right?

[B]

They don't respect it.

[A]

Yeah, they don't respect it. It's very strict on Reddit for their bots.

[B]

Yeah, but if you got 10,000, no one's touching you.

[A]

Yeah, no one's touching it. I can just keep spamming.

[B]

I might buy one tonight, honestly, because it is really good for SEO. Yeah. If people look up your name or your company, that will be on the first page, right? Yeah, that thread.

[A]

Yeah, that's where it will be on the first page. And even just searching some keyword, let's say they're not searching you, they're searching for like, for example, podcast, like podcast goat. And then literally if you have a Reddit, it will just be on the first page actually. And not just the first page. Before you even scroll.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

You know the page you need to scroll. Yeah, to the bottom.

[C]

Right.

[A]

You'll be on the first few damn recommendations.

[B]

I got some work to do because my SEO needs some work. I'm trying to fix my Google Knowledge panel. You know you have a website. Yeah, but it needs to be updated. Yeah, I need to update that stuff. But now AI is going to replace SEO, Right.

[A]

Actually, so Google also have a policy, they say for SEO content, for example, somebody writing the articles.

[B]

Right.

[A]

If they find your article and you spam that article, AI generated articles, they're going to decrease. Actually decrease your.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

So it really depends on. But it depends on your industries. Right. So for example, in my industry, I'm giving tips to the job seekers so I can have so many kind of like AI generated content, for example, for art major, for software engineer, for consulting, for finance, and then for data science.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Then it doesn't look like a spam because I'm targeting each industry.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But if you using AI to talk about the same topic over and over again, then that feels like spam.

[B]

They'll detect that.

[A]

That will detect that. Decrease your rank.

[B]

Same with email. I figured out you need to change up your email outreach. You know, you can't send the same thing.

[A]

Oh, and also there's a website, you can just buy a domain at the same. So for example, you have Sean Kelly. Right. Dot com. And you have Sean Kelly.app SeanCaliIO and that website. Well, you can just literally buy it on that website. I forgot what I think it's called. Instantly, Instantly. Yeah, Instantly, Instantly. And they will warm up all this domain for you so you can mass Sending emails.

[B]

That's the one I use. Yeah. Shout out to instantly. They should sponsor me giving them some free product.

[A]

We've been talking to so many sass.

[B]

I know.

[A]

They all sh.

[B]

We've been putting so many brands on right now. You mentioned IQ earlier. Have you ever tested your iq?

[A]

I. I don't know if it's accurate. It's like some online test. It says like 135something.

[B]

Damn, you're a genius.

[A]

I'm not genius.

[B]

I'm feeling I'm dumb as 135 is gifted.

[A]

If before I. No, I feel. I don't even know if it's a real. No. You know, so sometimes I feel like I'm a low iq. Like, I just do. I just do.

[B]

There's different types of intelligence, so there's. In my opinion, there's emotional intelligence, iq, book smart, street smart, and then autism.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Those autistic guys can. Can run a business.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like IQ is not like a really determined point of. If your business is going to be successful now.

[B]

No, there's. There's general trends. So, like, if you take an IQ test and you take income, it generally goes up, but then when you hit the genius level, it goes down a little bit.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because you're too smart. So you can't work for someone. So you want to be between 120 and 140 gifted.

[A]

You talk about you don't want to work for someone. I mean, I don't want to work for someone, but it's because I. I just don't like the work. Yeah, I'm kind of lazy.

[B]

I never did. My mom made me apply for jobs and I told.

[A]

Yeah, it's always a mom, right?

[B]

Yeah. Asian mom. She wanted me to be a cashier at Wegmans and I. I cursed her off. Yeah, it was really mean of me, but I didn't want to work for someone.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, my mom told me the same. She's like, yo, you gotta. You got to find a good job and you're going to find a good wife and then you're going to have a family, all that stuff. And I tried. I did try. Took an internship. It was at an insurance company. I don't want to talk about the name, but. Yeah, so in that insurance company, everybody's like 50, 60 years old.

[C]

Damn.

[A]

And I'm only like. Only the interns, they are like super young, like my age. And they give me a task. Supposedly it should be two weeks and I finish it in like two days.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the rest of time I'm just scrolling Reddits because I'm so bored.

[B]

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. If they're 50s and 60s, they probably don't know how to use technology that well. But Asian moms are tough love, you know? Did yours want you to date an Asian woman too?

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

There was one time I, I had a. I took a black hole black girl home.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

And then, and then she was, she was shouting to me like, oh, like our kids gonna be. Your kid's gonna be black.

[C]

And like.

[A]

I was like, there's no much. It's a preference, you know, during the time. I just like that it's a type.

[B]

You know, once you go black, you don't go back.

[A]

Well, that's what.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Asian. I was never. Not to be weird, but I was never into Asian girls when I was younger. I feel like they mature kind of late.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because when you're in school, they feel like they are underage, right?

[B]

Yeah, they look underage, bro. You know what I mean?

[A]

It's true. I feel the same.

[B]

Yeah. Because they don't, they don't peak till later. I feel like they don't peak till like 25, 30.

[A]

Above 25?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Above 25.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's. The same thing happened to me while I was actually in middle school. My friend was asking me like, oh. They were like, oh, talking about this girl and that girl was like, I'm nice. I was like, I'm interested in those like girls like above 20s. It's like they are more mature, they're. Everything is more developed.

[B]

Those cougars.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

A sugar mommy.

[A]

I should get some.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, New York, New York Tech week. How was New York Tech Week? That was last month, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So the first one I went to is called Tech Carnivals and met a bunch of brilliant minds there. And there's one guy, he's a lawyer, but he also founded his AI startup for fitness. So AI is kind of like replacing the fitness influencers, actually not replacing. So the fitness influencers. A lot of people want to talk to them directly. Right. Have a one on one session. So the AI is trained on them. They said you can upload your own materials, upload your own audios and it will sound like you and also it will talk like you. And then you can give out, you can mass sending your programs to a lot of people who follows you.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. Instead of the one on one coaching.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's using his law firm money he generated to Fund his AI startups.

[B]

Damn.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Smart. Because a lot of lawyers I know are struggling right now because now you could just do contracts with AI.

[C]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like it's so easy. Anytime I get a contract right now, I import it into chat GPT. I say how many, how can I be screwed over? In this contract, please provide red line changes for this agreement. Yeah, I send that to my lawyer just to look it over.

[C]

Boom. Yeah.

[A]

It will decrease like so much hours they are putting in generating a content.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Because so many hours.

[A]

Just regular lawyers, like 500 per hour. And if you do, if you make them generate those like contracts, usually it's like five hours at least.

[B]

Yeah. Just for a contract that you can make on chat GPT in like a minute.

[C]

Exactly. Yeah.

[B]

Rip to lawyers, man. Well, the good ones are using AI though. The good ones are using AI to be more efficient.

[A]

I think also the top of some top lawyers, the reason why they are good is also they have some connections. 100 they have some connection with the judge, for example. I mean in us it's like it's not called corruptions. Right. It's donations. So if the judge has some campaign and then they donate to the judge, when the judge see you, they're gonna offer automatically. They're gonna like you, right? Yeah.

[B]

Especially where you're at in New York. You guys have the highest conviction rate once it goes to trial. Yeah, 98% or something.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I wouldn't want to be in court in New York. You know what I mean? Screw that. Well, dude, it's been fun. Where can people find you? Find the company. We'll include a link in the video and message. Where can people message you and all that?

[A]

Feel free to check out [e-mail] you guys can also find me on Instagram and Tick Tock at Old school Boosted.

[B]

Perfect. Check out the links below. Guys, thanks for coming on, man. And I'll see you in New York.

[A]

I'll see you guys. August, right?

[C]

Yeah.