Keith Edwards: AI Revolution: Opportunity or Threat to the Workforce? | DSH #1480

Summary

Digital Social Hour Episode Summary: Keith Edwards on the AI Revolution and Workforce Dynamics | DSH #1480

Release Date: August 6, 2025

Introduction

In episode #1480 of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly engages in a compelling and unfiltered dialogue with Keith Edwards, a seasoned political strategist and former Democratic staffer. The conversation spans a broad spectrum of pressing issues, from the implications of artificial intelligence (AI) on the workforce to the intricacies of American political dynamics under the Trump administration. Edwards offers insightful perspectives rooted in his extensive experience with political campaigns and digital strategy, providing listeners with a nuanced understanding of contemporary challenges facing the United States.

Political Strategy and Career Insights

Keith Edwards begins by sharing his transition from reality TV production to political strategy in response to Donald Trump's rise in 2016. He emphasizes his dedication to combating Trump's influence, stating, “When Donald Trump happened in 2016, I just changed careers. I just started to, like, volunteer locally.” ([02:11]). Edwards highlights his pivotal role in campaigns, including his work with Senator John Ossoff of Georgia and as Communications Director for the Lincoln Project, a Republican-led initiative aimed at defeating Trump.

Free Speech and Social Media Censorship

A significant portion of the discussion delves into the evolving landscape of free speech and censorship on social media platforms. Edwards critiques the conflation of free speech with corporate moderation policies, expressing skepticism about Elon Musk’s acquisition of X (formerly Twitter). He asserts, “I am so against the government telling us what we can and can't say... But I don't think Elon Musk is a free speech warrior.” ([04:02]). Edwards recounts his personal experiences with social media algorithms, noting fluctuations in his online visibility and attributing changes to broader platform policies rather than direct targeted actions.

Trump’s Policies and Economic Impact

Edwards provides a critical analysis of Donald Trump’s economic policies, particularly focusing on tariffs and their impact on the American workforce. He argues that Trump’s tariffs have exacerbated the cost of living, stating, “With tariffs and this bill, people are going to have less money and things are going to be more expensive. It's a true statement. Because of Donald Trump.” ([47:14]). The conversation touches on specific sectors affected by tariffs, including the automotive industry, where Edwards mentions, “A luxury car dealer... can't make money anymore selling cars.” ([48:56]).

Immigration and Border Security

The episode addresses Trump’s immigration policies, with Edwards expressing strong opposition to the administration’s approach. He criticizes the use of masked officers and the expansion of detention facilities, describing actions like the establishment of "Alligator Alcatraz" as “disturbing... tearing people apart.” ([51:18]). Edwards also disputes claims regarding the security of the border, highlighting the contradiction in asserting both heightened security and an "infestation of immigrants." He underscores the constitutional protections of birthright citizenship, stating, “That is one of the fundamental things about our country, is that if you're born here, you're an American.” ([53:38]).

Public Education and College Costs

Turning to education, Edwards offers a heartfelt endorsement of public schooling, reflecting on his own positive experiences: “I am so incredibly grateful for public school and any investments we make in this country that help uplift people... It is just an investment.” ([31:36]). He critiques the escalating costs of higher education, labeling exorbitant tuition fees as a “scam” and lamenting the burden of student debt on young Americans. Edwards advocates for a robust public education system, contrasting it with increasing trends towards homeschooling and reduced funding for public schools.

AI and the Workforce

Discussing the AI revolution, Edwards adopts an optimistic stance, viewing AI as both an opportunity and a challenge. He emphasizes the importance of proactive regulation and workforce adaptation, stating, “We should be figuring out how to train and prepare America for an AI revolution.” ([29:59]). Edwards acknowledges the fears surrounding AI-induced job displacement but counters by highlighting AI’s potential to enhance productivity and create new employment avenues when harnessed correctly.

The State of the American Economy

Edwards provides a critical assessment of the current economic climate, pointing to high living costs, inflated housing markets, and increasing debt levels. He underscores the disparity between wage growth and cost of living, noting, “Wages have gone up... but the cost of housing has gone up like six times.” ([29:23]). The conversation also touches on fiscal policies, with Edwards expressing concern over national debt and the effectiveness of recent legislative measures to address economic instability.

Threats to American Democracy

A recurring theme is the perceived threat to American democracy, primarily emanating from within the Republican Party under Trump’s influence. Edwards asserts, “I think the biggest enemy is ourselves right now... We have a person who is continually doing unconstitutional things.” ([57:44]). He critiques the Republican Party's alignment with Trump, suggesting that their actions undermine constitutional principles and democratic integrity.

Conclusion

As the conversation concludes, Edwards reflects on the necessity for unity and adherence to foundational American values to safeguard democracy. He emphasizes the importance of free speech, constitutional fidelity, and bipartisan cooperation. Edwards envisions a future where the political landscape fosters compromise and serves the broader interests of the American populace, rather than partisan divisions.

Notable Quotes

• “When Donald Trump happened in 2016, I just changed careers. I just started to, like, volunteer locally.” — Keith Edwards ([02:11])

• “I am so against the government telling us what we can and can't say... But I don't think Elon Musk is a free speech warrior.” — Keith Edwards ([04:02])

• “With tariffs and this bill, people are going to have less money and things are going to be more expensive. It's a true statement. Because of Donald Trump.” — Keith Edwards ([47:14])

• “That is one of the fundamental things about our country, is that if you're born here, you're an American.” — Keith Edwards ([53:38])

• “Wages have gone up... but the cost of housing has gone up like six times.” — Keith Edwards ([29:23])

• “I think the biggest enemy is ourselves right now... We have a person who is continually doing unconstitutional things.” — Keith Edwards ([57:44])

Final Thoughts

This episode of Digital Social Hour offers a deep dive into the complexities of current American socio-political issues through the lens of Keith Edwards’ extensive political background. Edwards' candid discussions provide listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the challenges posed by political extremism, economic policies, and technological advancements. By blending personal experiences with critical analysis, the episode serves as a valuable resource for anyone seeking to grasp the multifaceted nature of contemporary American discourse.

Transcript

[Keith Edwards]

I don't think you can debate Charlie Kirk. He's not a good faith debater. He has talking points, and then if you start to start to actually win, he just cuts you off. So I don't think. I mean, if it were in a situation like this, maybe you need a moderator. You need a moderator, but you can't let him be the moderator because Charlie Kirk sets up these things so that Charlie Kirk is always one who wins.

[Sean Kelly]

All right, guys, got Keith Edwards here in Las Vegas. Let's go, man.

[Keith Edwards]

Vegas, baby.

[Sean Kelly]

Welcome to Vegas.

[Keith Edwards]

It is hot.

[Sean Kelly]

Do you have fun last night?

[Keith Edwards]

I lost a lot of money.

[Sean Kelly]

Definitely hot.

[Keith Edwards]

It is hot. It's like literally 120 degrees.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, it's always over 100 here at this time of year.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah, in D.C. it's hot, but not like this.

[Sean Kelly]

Living in D.C. what's that like? I've only been there once.

[Keith Edwards]

Um, it's great. I. So I lived in New York for 15 years, and in New York, it is a city that imposes itself on you. You cannot escape the fact that you live in New York City. It is constantly a third character in your life. DC is just a setting, it's a location. You know, DC has never ruined my day. New York City has ruined many days of mine. So it's. It's nice to not have that. But I do think it's also a city filled with a lot of people who are just not as dynamic as New York.

[Sean Kelly]

I guess for what you do, it makes sense. Living in D.C. too.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. I mean, I originally wasn't doing YouTube. When I moved there, I was a Democratic strategist, so I moved there for a separate reason. But now that I'm doing this talking politics, it is great because if there's something happening at the Senate, I can just take a car to the Senate in 10 minutes.

[Sean Kelly]

Who are you strategizing for?

[Keith Edwards]

At first, I had worked with John Ossoff, who is the US Senator from Georgia. I helped get him elected and flip the Senate. I was communications director for the Lincoln Project, which is a Republican led organization that was committed to defeating Trump. And I've also just worked with a lot of organizations and smaller races, helping them with digital strategy.

[Sean Kelly]

Nice. So you were against Trump for a while now, huh?

[Keith Edwards]

Yes, actually. So, like before this, I worked in reality TV. I was a reality TV producer. And when Donald Trump happened in 2016, I just changed careers. I just started to, like, volunteer locally. Which sounds so naive thinking, like, just trying to see what I could do to help stop him. And then it has just been incredible to be a part of organizations and help, you know, elect people that have, you know, definitely stopped him at points or have, you know, stopped him from at least implementing his worst ideas.

[Sean Kelly]

Wow. So you were so against him, you changed industries.

[Keith Edwards]

Yes, literally.

[Sean Kelly]

That's awesome.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Now he's going at it with Newsom. Did you see the new lawsuit yesterday against California?

[Keith Edwards]

Well, he. He filed a lawsuit against California.

[Sean Kelly]

No, it wasn't. That one was a Title six. One that was different. But Newsom followed one against Trump a few weeks ago.

[Keith Edwards]

Right, I did see that. I'm like two minds about it because, one, I think it's good. We got to fight fire with fire. I think it was smart that what he did was he sued Trump for the same amount that Fox lost against Dominion for lying about the election. It's the same amount he's suing Trump. I think he's suing Trump and Fox, actually. And so I think that's smart that he's fighting fire with fire. But I also think it's also putting us closer to this edge of, like, First Amendment becoming this thing that maybe we don't hold up as an ideal because the more and more we start to whittle away at it, it's. It becomes an issue with whether or not we can actually say things without fear of repercussion from the government or from within the government.

[Sean Kelly]

So you're big on free speech?

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah, I have to be, because the stuff I say on YouTube, I don't. I don't want to get smacked with a lawsuit, but I also don't want the government telling me what I can and can't say.

[Sean Kelly]

Respect. So when Elon bought X, were you pretty excited about that?

[Keith Edwards]

I was not, actually. Because the right has bastardized the meaning of the First Amendment. What they mean is we want to be able to say whatever we want to say, and we want to be able to tell you what you can and can't say. So I am all about people being able to say whatever they want. I think that companies should be able to regulate what people say on their platforms or within their companies, and that's within their jurisdiction. I am so against the government telling us what we can and can't say. So that's where I draw the line. But I don't think Elon Musk is a free speech warrior because he is also. It's been shown that he is deprioritized. Certain people on his platform who have.

[Sean Kelly]

Critiqued him, yes, he's debadged people on the right, too.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah, yeah. Like Laura Loomer. You can actually see her engagement when she started to attack Elon and then eventually went back up when they made good. But that's like. That's not free speech. That's not free speech.

[Sean Kelly]

Have you faced any social media censorship on any platforms?

[Keith Edwards]

So on X, I. If you see my algorithm or if you see my. My analytics post election, it was a huge drop off. Huge drop off. And then within the past month, I'm back in the algorithm. I don't know what happened. I don't think Elon was like, oh, I'm going to go after Keith Edwards and not. I'm. Not that I don't have the big of a head, but definitely there was something that happened and there has been a change.

[Sean Kelly]

There was a lot of censorship during the pandemic, man.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. I mean, I was not as online at that point, but I do think that. So I don't think the government should tell us what we should and should not say. But I do think that at a time when there was a pandemic, it was probably in the interest of. Of our country that we were a little bit more stringent with. With what social media platforms could spread.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Keith Edwards]

You know, and so there was a lot of misinformation at that time. And so I think that was like, rightfully so. That platforms were just trying to do the best they could to stop people from dying.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, yeah. The vaccine was definitely one of them. The 2020 election was another one. They were censoring and.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

I guess time will tell whether both of those are conspiracies or if they end up being true. We'll see.

[Keith Edwards]

Well, the 2020 election. Yeah, the conspiracy. Like what? Like that.

[Sean Kelly]

Like that it was stolen.

[Keith Edwards]

Do you think that I don't have.

[Sean Kelly]

Enough evidence at the moment, so I'll lean towards. No.

[Keith Edwards]

Well, I got to tell you, I don't even know how many. How many judges have reviewed evidence from Trump and his team. It has to be at least 60. Many of whom the judges that Trump got into the judgeship. And they all said, there's nothing here. All of them.

[Sean Kelly]

That is a lot.

[Keith Edwards]

So if there's any there there, they've had more than enough time money to show us.

[Sean Kelly]

All right, guys, Sean Kelly here, host of the Digital Social Hour podcast, just filmed 33amazing episodes at Student Action Summit. Shout out to Code Health sponsor these episodes, but also I took them before filming each day. Felt amazing. Just filmed 20 episodes straight and I'm not even tired, honestly. So I would say they're very unique. It's going to be the future of health and medicine. Code Health has been awesome.

[Keith Edwards]

Feel the drop and go code yourself. So far, they haven't come up with anything. So with that being as it may, Donald Trump. The only person who tried to steal an election that we actually know of was Donald Trump.

[Sean Kelly]

Fair point. What about the Russia stuff?

[Keith Edwards]

What about the Russia stuff?

[Sean Kelly]

Well, they were painting that he was, like, working with them and then doing all these investigations. And now it just got released a few days ago that the. I think the. What, the former CIA guy is being investigated, criminally investigated by the FBI now.

[Keith Edwards]

For what?

[Sean Kelly]

I got to look up the exact charge, but it was criminal investigation.

[Keith Edwards]

Well, I think so that the FBI just said that.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Keith Edwards]

Okay. Well, the FBI is doing that because they want to do anything they can to, like, change the narrative against Epstein. So I don't know if there's any there. There for that as well, but I do think that.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, sorry. So James Comey.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

And John Brennan are currently under investigation, criminal investigation by the Department of Justice.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. Well, also, you can. You can be under. You can investigate anyone. It doesn't mean any.

[Sean Kelly]

They're going to. But it specifically says connected to the Trump Russia probe, so.

[Keith Edwards]

Sure. Well, I would be interested to know what they think the crime was. You know, I do think that James Comey is not my. He's not my favorite person, but there was certainly something worth investigating around Russia. I don't know the specifics around it, but I do know that Mueller, who is a Republican through and through, even said that though Russia, though they couldn't find anything, they also could not rule it out. That was like. That was the finding. Now, Bill Barr, when all that stuff came out, actually got ahead of it to say that there was no wrongdoing, no whatever. But if you actually look at the report, it's less definitive.

[Sean Kelly]

Okay. The Epstein stuff, obviously, you probably made a few videos on this already, but.

[Keith Edwards]

Where you saw it, I think it's amazing. I think it's awful. Epstein's awful. But I think it's. To me, what MAGA has done is they created this monster. They created this, like, this fairytale around Epstein and how Donald Trump is this white knight who's gonna come in and expose the pedophiles that Jeffrey Epstein has shielded, who the FBI and Joe Biden and the Deep State has shielded from prosecution. And it's a lot different. Republicans know this, but it's a lot different to be on the outside demanding the power, the powerful to do something than it is to be the powerful and to get it done. And so they created this false narrative and they really aggravated the conspiracy theorists to a point where they are now just like foaming at the mouth for a list. And Pam Bondi, stupid enough was like, the list is on my desk. And Cash Patel, I think a year before he got into this seat, said that the second he gets in, he's gonna release it. But now that they're in there, and I am sure because Donald Trump is in some way implicated in these files, they're not releasing it. And this, what's interesting to me is more than anything else that Donald Trump has done, cutting Medicaid tariffs that are a tax and inflationary on the American people, trying to steal an election. More than any of that stuff, this is the thing that has created a divide and has actually really separated him from his base. And that is the thing with that is the danger in engaging in conspiracy theories is that eventually you got to put up or shut up. And I really think there is something there. Like, I do think there's something in the files, at least from what I understand and what I read. There is some. There is, there is definitely. There are definitely powerful people in there who are not being exposed for whatever reason. And my question, is Donald Trump one of them? Probably.

[Sean Kelly]

Definitely. Possibility. But you're right, this is divided. The right more than anything I've seen, which is insane. Yeah. More than tariffs, more than wars, more than Israel.

[Keith Edwards]

Bondi will stop being Attorney General because of it.

[Sean Kelly]

It's looking bad for her. People are wanting answers.

[Keith Edwards]

If you look at her social media, it's just non stop attacks.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, in the comments.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

I mean, she said it like, it's.

[Keith Edwards]

Not like, well, did you hear her cover up?

[Sean Kelly]

No.

[Keith Edwards]

Or her like cleanup. She was like, well, what I meant was, well, what they said is, are those files on your desk? And I said, yes, all of the files are my desk, not the client list. And it's like, come on, come on. And the thing is, is Republicans all think they have the juice. They think they can do the thing Trump does, which is just lie and bloviate and they can't. Like Pam Bondi tried doing the thing where she was like, well, this is what I really meant. And it just doesn't work.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, it doesn't. People want the truth these days.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

But yeah, I thought the Iran bombing would be like the most abiding incident. And then this happened the next week.

[Keith Edwards]

And interestingly, and I'm not upset about this. Donald Trump has said that he wants to help Ukraine defend itself. That's also another thing the right is very upset about. It just feels like a bizarre world that these are the things that they're upset about when, like Ukraine, who has. Is a country that was invaded by another country, of course should be able to defend itself. It's a democracy. They elect their leaders and for the United States, did not help them, I think was abhorrent. And I. Whatever. I don't know what Trump did to get to that point, but I'm glad he's there.

[Sean Kelly]

So you actually support that?

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I know that Trump is a charlatan and he's a con man and he likes to do things that will get people on his side. And so I'm not saying that Donald Trump has changed. I'm not saying Donald Trump cares about Ukraine. There's. There's obviously something he thinks about in it for him or other people he knows. I don't know what that is, but I'm just glad that Ukraine is going to at least get the help it needs to adequately defend itself.

[Sean Kelly]

What else have you liked from Trump in his presidency so far?

[Keith Edwards]

I like that he's just getting more and more orange, if you just notice. The makeup is just going insane. The crisis at the border is the border here on his face. It's just white and orange. It's insane. So I like that. I like that he's orange. And I think he has done a great job at helping Democrats look like the actual adults in the room. And so thank you, Donald Trump, for that. And I really don't know how this man is going to make it another three and a half years if you just watch him. He's just like. He's just decomposing.

[Sean Kelly]

It's got to be. I mean, you've seen those before and after pictures of presidents. It's probably the most stressful job.

[Keith Edwards]

Well, probably not for him because he's a narcissist sociopath. He doesn't feel stress in the way that you and I do, so I don't think that ages him. But I think he's just old. He's old as fuck. And so it's becoming more and more apparent in the way that he will just go off on tangents in the way that he doesn't really care about his appearance. And I mean, I'm sure you saw, like. Was it the, like the president of Liberia he was with yesterday?

[Sean Kelly]

I didn't see that.

[Keith Edwards]

Was it Liberia? Yeah. President of Liberia. And he was like, you speak such good English. Are you educated? Which, by the.

[Sean Kelly]

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[Keith Edwards]

It's racist. And Liberia, their. Their national language is English. Like, and if this were anyone else, not even a president, but if it were just, like, Angelina Jolie, we would be like, what the fuck? That's embarrassing and sad. But with him, he just gets a pass. I don't get that. I don't think he should get a pass. But for some reason, the media just walks right past it. That's why I'm glad that at least independent media exists where we can focus on the things that legacy media are either too scared or don't want to cover.

[Sean Kelly]

So do you think legacy media has changed their tone with him? Because I know he sued a few of them. Like, he used to say it's fake news. Do you feel like they've kind of. Are they more nice to him? Like, what do you think?

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah, they're definitely handling him with kid gloves. I mean, even. Even look at, like, 60 Minutes in CBS are settling the $16 million lawsuit just because they want to do a merger. I forget. I think it's paramount and someone else, I don't really care. But $16 million, it's just a shakedown. It's a bribe. And it's just really interesting to me that it's not the most powerful people in our country who could actually stop this to some. To some degree, if they all banded together and they said, this is just not. We're not going along with this. They're not doing that. And who are. Who are actually standing up are everyday people who are like, this is not okay, and we're gonna do what we can to make sure it doesn't continue. But no, I mean, cbs, cnn, they're all obviously doing what they can to not piss him off, because they're afraid of either being sued or the FCC literally taking away their license.

[Sean Kelly]

Interesting, because it seemed like in 16, they weren't as afraid to go. They weren't as afraid.

[Keith Edwards]

But I think the thing with authoritarians is they, one, want to stay in power, and two, if they leave power and they find their way back to it, they have experience. They know what the guardrails are, and they know how to attack the things that prevented them the first time from achieving the power that they wanted before. And I think we're seeing that in real time that Donald Trump, he's an idiot, but he is cunning and he knows where the pressure points are. And he certainly is putting pressure on media, on politicians, and anyone who is preventing him from getting any source of power he wants. I mean, he is doing things that are literally unconstitutional. The terror thing is unconstitutional. The president does not have the power to inflict tariffs in every country. It is an emergency power that is used sparingly. The only part, the only group in our country who can actually leverage taxes on us or other countries is Congress. And for some reason, no one speaks up about that. But is. And then this is one of the reasons why we don't allow that is because it is insane for one person to be able to have all that power.

[Sean Kelly]

Didn't he sign, like, more executive orders than anyone ever?

[Keith Edwards]

I don't know if it's anyone ever, but I think it's more at this point than any president has previously.

[Sean Kelly]

Something like that. Yeah, it was crazy amount.

[Keith Edwards]

And he just. And he doesn't do it with any. Any nod to the law or any thought about whether or not it's constitutional or illegal. He just does it and he hopes for the best. He swings through the fences, and every now and then he hits a home run. The Supreme Court is like, fine, whatever, fuck it. You can do that. And sometimes he doesn't. But that's the thing is, like, he just continually expands or puts pressure in places where there hasn't been any before. And it puts us in a. It puts us as a country in a very vulnerable position where one person has so much power and almost no oversight.

[Sean Kelly]

There's a few people challenging him right now. One of them is Elon. How do you see that playing out?

[Keith Edwards]

So here's the thing about oligarchs and dictators is that the dictator always wins. Look at Russia. This is not a new idea, Elon. I mean, and Donald Trump knows it. Because Donald Trump was like, oh, that's really interesting, Elon, that you want to create a new party or you want to say that I'm, you know, I'm implicated in the Epstein files, because as far as I know, you need SpaceX and you need these subsidies from electric for electric cars. And so much of his money and wealth is tied up in government funding. And Donald Trump knows that. And so that is like something that oligarchs intrinsically usually know is that they don't go after a dictator if they want to maintain their lifestyle and their money. Because it is very. It would be very easy for Trump to fuck over Elon the tri Light.

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[Keith Edwards]

I don't know. Could he deport Elon? Maybe. But certainly Donald Trump's more likely to do it than Joe Biden ever were. Right? So. So I do think it's great from a entertaining entertainment perspective that Elon Musk is going after Donald Trump and it's like two insane people just like attacking each other online. Sure, that's fun. But I don't think Elon Musk is going to be the winner out of this. And I do think with his new party at least he's going to create an opportunity to split the vote on the right if it does come to fruition and he does end up doing this. And I think it will help Democrats, at least in the short term, potentially get a majority.

[Sean Kelly]

It'd be interesting if he pulls off that new party because there's never been a third party that had a good traction.

[Keith Edwards]

No, but I don't, I. So I do think there's like, I hate to say that it's smart, but I do think it's a smart idea that if we're so closely divided that if you have three senators who are basically the swing boat and if you have 10 members of Congress who aren't beholden to a party, then suddenly things get interesting because you actually have to compromise or you have to listen to other people. So I think there's like something to that. I don't think most Americans are against the idea of there being politicians that don't feel like they have to tow a party line and will actually work for compromise and to push legislation that works for the American people. I don't think that's what Elon's creating. I think he wants people who are beholden to him, not people who are looking out for Americans. But I do think it's an interesting idea when things are so divided that you actually don't need to elect that many people or win that many elections to gain a lot of power. In divided Congress.

[Sean Kelly]

I'm going to Charlie Kirk's event tomorrow. What do you think about him?

[Keith Edwards]

I think he's an unfortunate man. I think he's unfortunate looking. I think he's unfortunate. I think the way that he acts is unfortunate. There was a clip that I posted maybe a month ago where this very sweet 14 year old girl was talking and asking him about college. I don't know why anyone's asking Charlie Kirk about college, but his answer to her was basically like, go to college. But um, let's be honest, you're only doing it to get married. And it's like, that's like first off, it's like kind of despicable to say, but it's also a disturbing that like you see a 14 year old girl and you only think about marriage.

[Sean Kelly]

That's a weird thing to associate with college. I wonder where he was going with that. I'd have to see that.

[Keith Edwards]

He says he. Well, he calls it the Mrs. Degree, the Mrs. Degree. So I guess this is the thing on the right where women go. Some women say they only go to college to find a husband.

[Sean Kelly]

Really?

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

I didn't know that was a thing at all.

[Keith Edwards]

I didn't either until, until I dove into it after seeing this. But that is a I. And it's just like Charlie Kirk is the one telling young women to go to college. Just says not to learn. By the way, women who don't have an education are less likely to be progressive, less likely to vote Democratic. So it is in his interest to, for women to, you know, get stupid and married. But it's also just like super upsetting. If you watch this clip, like this is like, she's clear. Like she said she wants to go into political science or she wants to be like a journalist. And then he's like, let's be honest, you just want to go to college to get married. It's like, it's like disturbing.

[Sean Kelly]

Would you ever go to one of his campuses and debate him?

[Keith Edwards]

I mean, I don't think you can debate Charlie Kirk. He's not a good faith debater. He has talking points and then if you start to, if you start to actually win, he just cuts you off. So I don't think, I mean, if it were in a situation like this.

[Sean Kelly]

Maybe you need a moderator.

[Keith Edwards]

You need a moderator, but you can't let him be the moderator because Charlie Kirk sets up these things so that Charlie Kirk is always one who wins.

[Sean Kelly]

It is a good setup, I will admit, because he's got the people cheering for him, he's got security with him. He's got like. I'd be a little.

[Keith Edwards]

There's a lot of power because it's like he's the one sitting down. You're going to the mic.

[Sean Kelly]

Right. You're vulnerable, you're standing.

[Keith Edwards]

Yes.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. There's a lot of psychology behind that.

[Keith Edwards]

Absolutely.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. For sure. What about Vance? Because there's talks he's going to run in 28. What do you think about him?

[Keith Edwards]

Vance does not have the juice. I think JD Vance is a very lucky man. I think JD Vance should really think about Mike Pence and, like, how Mike Pence ended up. I will say, like, with all these people, Pete Hegseth, Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr. They all think that, like, there's this. There's like a Trump wave that they can ride, but Trump is in a wave. He's a riptide. You can't ride him. He pulls you under. And that's been clear with everyone who has supported him is eventually, Donald Trump is your destroyer, not your maker.

[Sean Kelly]

That's a good point because if you look back at a lot of people he's associated with, worked with in the past, they kind of disappear, fade into existence. Some of them get locked up. There's a lot of examples.

[Keith Edwards]

It's very rare for someone, except for his children to have, like, a long career and be someone who has worked closely with Donald Trump. It's a very rare thing.

[Sean Kelly]

Wonder what it is about him.

[Keith Edwards]

I do wonder what that is. I mean, I think it's just that he's a sociopath narcissist, and he uses people until they're no longer useful and then he gets rid of them. And I also think he's just not an easy person to be around. I think he can be very charming, at least from people who I know, reporters who have been close to him. He can be charming. So I understand the allure. But Annie is very powerful. He's the President of the United States and he is. Was a Hollywood celebrity. So I understand that. But, but, but from what I understand, too, is that he's also just like a nightmare.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Keith Edwards]

To be around.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. I'd imagine as a billionaire, you got to be pretty cutthroat and put emotions to the side a lot of the times.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah, yeah. Or not. But at least with him, I do think he's a narcissist.

[Sean Kelly]

So you're going to join Donald Trump Jr's new membership club in D.C. i'm not.

[Keith Edwards]

I wouldn't want to do anything else?

[Sean Kelly]

500K a year.

[Keith Edwards]

I mean, I would want to do anything else besides that. Is it 500k?

[Sean Kelly]

500K? Mar a Lago is 2 million a year.

[Keith Edwards]

Wow.

[Sean Kelly]

Nuts, right?

[Keith Edwards]

It's nuts. It's nuts. It's. There's just an. And apparently MAGA is the party of the working class. You know, I think that is probably one of the biggest failures Democrats have had is that we have allowed that to happen. We have allowed, like Obama, I think, won the working class vote by like 60%, you know, and now we have. I think it's like Trump, who is pulling that margin, you know, so there's been a huge change. But the thing is, these things happen very quickly. You know, Obama was in 2008. I guess maybe for some of your viewers, that's gonna sound like a long time ago. In actuality, it's not in, like, the lifespan of politics. That's not a long time. So these things can switch back. And I do think with social media, people are more able to maybe be exposed to. To different ideas. But I do think that is one of the things that Democrats have done poorly, is that we have aligned ourselves with billionaires and moneyed interests when really we should just be the party defending and fighting for the working class.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, yeah. I grew up working class, middle class. And there's a lot of pain in that class right now.

[Keith Edwards]

Yes.

[Sean Kelly]

Very hard to live.

[Keith Edwards]

Yes. No, I know. I mean, I, you know, my. My family does not come from money in the slightest. And I remember. I just remember moments where my dad had like 20 bucks and he was trying to figure out how to make the $20 pay for gas and also food, you know, and there is a lot of anxiety and not having. And anyone that speaks to that. And Donald Trump has a way of talking to that. Candidly, he doesn't have the right solutions. He has a way of speaking about it in a way that I think people think he's not lying and he understands their pain. And there is a lot of pain right now in America when it comes to how much money they don't have.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, I mean, it's really expensive to live right now, dude. The house I grew up and I just looked it up on Zillow. It's like almost a million dollars now.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I think wages have gone up, like, since in the 1980s. They've gone up like three times, but then like, the cost of housing has gone up like six times. So. So it's just, it's. That's no way there's no way to build a society. You know, I just think, I just, I just think there has been a huge failure on both sides of the aisle in actually protecting and lifting up working class and middle class Americans.

[Sean Kelly]

It could even get worse because let's say even if they do raise the minimum wage with AI companies are just going to replace those guys.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. But I think AI is a huge opportunity too. I mean, I don't think AI should be this big boogeyman. I mean, I do think we need to figure out a way to regulate it, but you know, I'm sure with.

[Sean Kelly]

You, I use it daily.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah, I use it all the time. And it has actually increased my ability to be productive. And I think we should be figuring out how to be like, what are the next 10 years going to look at? Look like, how do we train and prepare America for an AI revolution? You know, I don't know what the answer is to that. I am just a YouTuber, but, but I do think those are the questions we should ask. Instead of being afraid of it, we should consider. All right, well, how do we make it so that we are actually the ones who benefit the most from it and that we can get the most jobs in this country and people working with it rather than against it.

[Sean Kelly]

Agreed. Yeah. It's helped me make more money, make more business, for sure.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's definitely. It helps me every day.

[Sean Kelly]

I was upset when certain schools were banning it, honestly.

[Keith Edwards]

Were they? Yeah, yeah. That's the thing is like, I think we still have to have like, students still need to learn how to like write and formulate, formulate ideas, but I think there's some professors that are like, use it, but it can't do all the work for you, you know, And I think that's, and I think that's how it should be moving forward. It's just a tool, you know, it can't be, it can't be the full thing. Like if you try to create a video using only AI, it would be terrible. But if you use it a little bit to help enhance what you're already doing, I do think it's an awesome tool. Yeah. But students can benefit from it, you know, And I do think workers would be able to too.

[Sean Kelly]

100%. Did you go to public school?

[Keith Edwards]

Went to public school.

[Sean Kelly]

What was your experience? Was it good?

[Keith Edwards]

I think I was probably like the last like cohort of people who can actually benefit from public school. I don't have kids. I don't know how it is now, but I can imagine it's gotten better with the way that we have continued to fund billionaires and take away money from investing in our students. So I am very grateful for my public school education, and I do think that a lot of people who are successful, they think it's all because of them. I don't think I would be sitting across from you right now if not for the investments that people who never even knew I was going to exist made in order for me to just have an opportunity to possibly achieve something greater than people who came before me did. So I am so incredibly grateful for public school and any investments we make in this country that help uplift people, because it's, like, one of the greatest investments we can make. Think about the return investment that this country has received because people like me got a public school education, you know, did something pretty okay with themselves. And now, you know, and the. The. The country itself benefits from that. And so I don't know why we don't do everything we can to uplift people, because it is just like this. Like, it is just an investment and. Is an investment.

[Sean Kelly]

Interesting. Yeah. I went to public school. I can't say what I learned there applies to my life right now.

[Keith Edwards]

Well, I think that's. I mean, I do think that, like, your public school is just meant to introduce you to many different things. You know, like, I, like. Do I use. I don't know, do I use algebra? No, but. But I was introduced to drama and singing, and there's many, you know, many friends I met. And so it's just like. It gives you a taste of, like, what your future could look like, and it gives you a better sense of where you might want to go. And so you might not think you've benefited from it, but I am sure that there are things that you experienced from school and learned you still use today.

[Sean Kelly]

Probably. Yeah. I took a lot of electives, and there was a media class, so maybe I learned some stuff there.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. Also, like, I mean, you're writing right now. Like, did you learn to write from your parents?

[Sean Kelly]

You got me on that. But I'll say this because there's a growing trend towards homeschooling, especially on the right. They want the Department of Education removed. If I have kids right now, I probably would not send them to public school.

[Keith Edwards]

Well, see, that's how this works. They stop investing in it. It gets worse. They say that this is awful. You have to get rid of it. And then you're saying, well, I actually think if I had kids, I would homeschool them. I think what we should do is why can't our North Star be. I want public education to be the best education anyone in the world can get here in America. Why can't that be the North Star rather than, we have to get rid of it, it's terrible. Why can't we create something that we think lives up to the ideals of what America should be? And I agree, I think public school isn't great right now, but I think that's by design, because anything that uplifts working class folks and makes people more aware of their world is bad for conservatism, you know. So I do think that it is in their best interest, conservatives, to defund public school, and they've been pretty successful at that. But. But I think, again, one of the best investments we could make is by creating a place of opportunity for children who might not get it anywhere else. Like, would Steve Jobs exist? Would he have existed if he were in, I don't know, Cambodia? He was born in Cambodia. No, probably not. So being born here, we're very lucky. But I think part of that luck is that we had people who came before us who wanted to make investments that would make it so that the next Steve Jobs would be possible.

[Sean Kelly]

I could see that. Yeah, I'm grateful for that. You know, I didn't know better at the time. There was no other options. I think homeschooling was just starting. But, yeah, you know, I went to Rutgers, lasted a year, didn't make it the whole way.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah, I mean, I went to community school for like six months and I never got a college degree. I do think college is totally different. I think college is great for some people in some professions. I do think that what we have right now can be scamish. It feels like, you know, they're more interested in getting money than they are in educating people. And we have this really awful system where school costs a lot, but in order to supposedly have a career, you've got to invest in yourself. But then we have these kids who then come out of college with, like, hundreds of thousands of debt. That's no way to create a society. Next generation workers or so. Yeah, I do think that college is totally different. Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

So you agree with Charlie Kirk on something.

[Keith Edwards]

Does he think that too?

[Sean Kelly]

He believes college is a scam. He's here.

[Keith Edwards]

I mean, okay, well, yeah, we agree on that. Because I don't know if I would say college writ large is a scam. I think there's a lot of scamming happening associated with College. Right.

[Sean Kelly]

Especially like 50k your tuitions.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. I mean, or yeah, 50k tuitions is insane and not necessary. But we, but the government has kind of allowed it to happen in a way because we, I believe we back a lot of these student loans. So colleges are just basically like, oh, daddy has always got the money, so why don't we raise the prices, you know? So I think there is a bit of like a self fulfilling prophecy with that. But I do think that a lot of colleges aren't really interested in giving students a good education. They're just interested in getting a good amount of their money.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. We'll see how it plays out. Because Trump's cutting, I think I saw Harvard, he was cutting their. I don't know how much.

[Keith Edwards]

Their endowment.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, something like that.

[Keith Edwards]

Whatever it is. Yeah. I guess, I mean, that's also highly illegal. He shouldn't be allowed to do.

[Sean Kelly]

You don't think he should do that?

[Keith Edwards]

No. Do you think the President should be able to decide what colleges teach, what they teach? Yeah. That's what this is about.

[Sean Kelly]

That's what it's about. The endowment.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. What Trump is doing is really about saying you have to act and teach the exact way I want and if you don't, we're taking away your funding.

[Sean Kelly]

Really?

[Keith Edwards]

Do you think the President should have that power?

[Sean Kelly]

No. When you put it like that, I didn't know that was the true meaning of cutting that, but yes. Okay.

[Keith Edwards]

It's not for any other reason than they are doing things that Trump doesn't agree with.

[Sean Kelly]

Interesting. Yeah. No, he shouldn't have power over what universities teach.

[Keith Edwards]

No, no, President should.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, that's pretty.

[Keith Edwards]

Imagine if Biden did that.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. How do you think Biden did in his. In his term? Overall?

[Keith Edwards]

Overall, I think he passed a lot of great legislation. I think he communicated terribly about it. I think if Donald Trump actually had the legislative agenda Biden did, we would not have heard the end of it. Because Donald Trump has done nothing and it seems like he's done so much, whereas Biden did a lot. And I feel like people don't understand. Understand exactly what he did. And also like just the way that they passed some of these bills, like it's going to be 10 years for some of this stuff to happen. Like, I think there is like a billions and billions and billions of dollars in creating the next generation of charging networks in this country for cars, which is great. Know, I do think we have to eventually get off fossil fuels. We have to. And that is going to be. It's Like a ten year process. Why couldn't they have made that a three year process? You know, where is, where is the like, where is the, where is the like? I, I feel like, why don't we have enough people who are like, we need this now? And I think that's one of the failures of the Biden administration is that they were governing as if it were the 90s and we have to make things fast. And then we also have to let people know the good work we're doing. And ideally, the stuff you pass today is affecting people within a year, you know, because one, it's better you want people to feel the impacts of the good legislation you passed. But two, also it's politically good.

[Sean Kelly]

Right? I agree with that. I think the government, not even just Biden, they always take their time.

[Keith Edwards]

You know, it's too slow, it's too slow.

[Sean Kelly]

I wonder what ways can, like Doge tried to quicken things, I guess, but I don't know.

[Keith Edwards]

I mean, it's so much easier to destroy a building than it is to make one. So Doge is, I guess, masterful in destroying buildings, but they did it without any intention or thought. And I certainly know people who have been impacted by the Doge cuts. And it was just really, it was just, it was done without any intention. And I think we are all actually less safe because of it.

[Sean Kelly]

I met one yesterday, my Uber driver.

[Keith Edwards]

Oh, yeah?

[Sean Kelly]

Couldn't believe it.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, because you see these numbers online, you don't put faces to them and then you just start meeting people that have been doched and it's like, damn, that guy's life just got.

[Keith Edwards]

And for why, for why, you know, I think. And it's one of those things like you don't. Government in some ways should be invisible. Government, because, because you never, you never think to yourself, like, it's never a story like, wow, every plane landed on time and without exploding today. But that's not because of anyone else but the government, because we, we. The government. The FAA has regulations that ensures that planes are safe to fly. They impact air traffic control. So. And that's just one thing. The government does so much to make sure that we are as safe as possible in this country. And I think that's one of the things that Elon accidentally exposed is that the government can't actually be good, though. So I think these cuts have been detrimental. But my hope is that it also gets an opportunity for us to say, yeah, the government is invisible, but that's by design. Because we, we, we don't want to be thinking about how maybe that flood that happened in Texas, like, what if they were fully funded? Like, would all those kids have died? I don't know. But I think, like, we should not have to ask those questions. Like, we are the wealthiest nation in the country. There's no reason why we can't put pennies of a fraction of our budget into ensuring that all these different areas of our government are fully funded. Because everything that Doge did was superficial. It didn't actually move the needle on the debt, which, by the way, is a problem. The debt is a huge problem.

[Sean Kelly]

Big problem.

[Keith Edwards]

It's a big problem. But what Doge did was not going to impact that and actually has probably made it so that we are paying in other ways.

[Sean Kelly]

That's scary. Yeah, because a lot of people were really excited that we would be able to get a debt down from dosh. But we'll see how it plays out.

[Keith Edwards]

I mean, we're not. We're not. I think they cut $200 billion. Maybe it was supposed to be 2 trillion.

[Sean Kelly]

Is that a year?

[Keith Edwards]

No, I think that's in total.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, total.

[Keith Edwards]

And. And they just raised the debt by 3 trillion, 5 trillion with this latest bill. So you. I mean, I. I'm not really good at math, but. But that doesn't seem like a net gain.

[Sean Kelly]

The big beautiful bill. Yeah, that one just passed, right?

[Keith Edwards]

It did just pass, yes.

[Sean Kelly]

So when does that take effect?

[Keith Edwards]

We'll see. Smartly. They are the worst parts of the bill don't happen until, I think, 26, 27. So after the midterms. And that's when a lot of the Medicaid cuts are going to happen. But the tax stuff will happen sooner. And, and so, like up until $25,000. I believe folks who make money from tips can deduct that. But that's temporary. It's not forever.

[Sean Kelly]

Which is good for Vegas, by the way.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah, sure. I mean, it's whatever. But also healthcare, if you get your money from the exchanges, is going to be going up next year.

[Sean Kelly]

I already pay so much healthcare, health insurance.

[Keith Edwards]

Most people do. I don't think anyone's happy with their health care. No, no, no one. It's one of the biggest expenses. And I. I mean, I pay for health care. I've never used it.

[Sean Kelly]

I've never used it once for like an X ray.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah, I don't use it. So we are paying. So even if taxes are superficially lowered, we're still paying more in other ways. Like if we just had some sort of health Care solution provided by the government, which hopefully we all agree now can be good. Can be good. We would actually all be paying less and we would be a healthier society.

[Sean Kelly]

Did you like Medicaid? Did you like the previous health systems?

[Keith Edwards]

I think it's like the best solution we have right now, like Medicaid and Medicare. I think those are ideas we can build on. You know, I don't think they're perfect. No, no. No government program is. But certainly a program where we can make sure that people don't die just because they're poor is one worth saving.

[Sean Kelly]

Even if you have money. Did you see what happened to Ben Askren?

[Keith Edwards]

No.

[Sean Kelly]

So he's a.

[Keith Edwards]

Who's that?

[Sean Kelly]

He's a UFC fighter. You probably don't watch ufc.

[Keith Edwards]

I'm in. Yeah. Totally different niche.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. So basically he got pneumonia. It was really bad. Like he had to get a double lung transplant. Insurance wouldn't cover. And this guy's like, probably a millionaire, you know what I mean? But like, he can't afford it out of pocket because it's most expensive procedure out there.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. So imagine how like a CVS worker.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. So they had to use social media to fund it. But yeah, imagine an average person.

[Keith Edwards]

Yes.

[Sean Kelly]

They're dead.

[Keith Edwards]

Yes.

[Sean Kelly]

You know, I mean, dead. And that's where people are now.

[Keith Edwards]

And I mean, I don't know, maybe this is an extreme idea, but I just don't think anyone should die just because they're poor.

[Sean Kelly]

It would suck to die that way. Honestly.

[Keith Edwards]

It's.

[Sean Kelly]

Because in a different country.

[Keith Edwards]

It's dehumanizing.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. Because in a different country, they might survive. They would survive, but they live in America.

[Keith Edwards]

Yes.

[Sean Kelly]

So it sucks.

[Keith Edwards]

Yes.

[Sean Kelly]

But, yeah, I'm paying a thousand a month and I'm getting one X ray, everybody.

[Keith Edwards]

Not the worst either.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, Well, I get a really good one, apparently.

[Keith Edwards]

But is it through the exchange?

[Sean Kelly]

I don't know. Some guy got it for me, so it might be. Probably.

[Keith Edwards]

It will probably go up next year because people are going to be getting off of Medicaid too. And so that's just going to increase everyone else's premiums.

[Sean Kelly]

Dude, it's just so many, like my. The house. The interest rate on my house is 8%. Most people cannot afford that.

[Keith Edwards]

Well, that's. That's what. That's where the debt comes in. Because the debt is inflationary. Inflationary. Because that impacts the, like. I forget what it's called, but it does impact the way that debt. The percentages on our debt on mortgages and car loans and that sort of thing. So. So that's where the debt comes into play, and that's where I think people don't really think about it, is that it does impact how much we spend on loans.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, but I'm just saying I don't know how people are able to live. Like it's, it's mind blowing how expensive it is to live right now in America.

[Keith Edwards]

It is incredibly expensive and it's only gonna get worse. And this bill does not help. The biggest thing Donald Trump probably was elected for was immigration and cost of living. And yes, he has done something about immigration. I totally disagree with it. But he's doing something about it. Cost of living. He's made it worse, incredibly worse. With tariffs and this bill, people are going to have less money and things are going to be more expensive. It's a true statement. Because of Donald Trump.

[Sean Kelly]

That's scary. Because terrorists were supposed to do the opposite.

[Keith Edwards]

Well, no, they weren't. They were never supposed to do the opposite.

[Sean Kelly]

Well, in his eyes, I guess.

[Keith Edwards]

In his eyes, yes, but I guess. But he says a lot of things aren't true. This happens to be one of the biggest ones. And he still thinks it. Like he said the other day, well, China, China's gonna be paying a lot or China pays a lot for tariffs, so blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, no, they don't. We do. We do. Have you gotten a tariff bill at all in anything you bought?

[Sean Kelly]

I feel like I have, actually.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. Who paid for that? Was that China?

[Sean Kelly]

No, it was my credit card. Yeah, it was me.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. So. And that's a tax, by the way. The government gets.

[Sean Kelly]

Really?

[Keith Edwards]

Yes, the government gets that money from you. So Donald Trump taxed you.

[Sean Kelly]

Interesting. I had someone on yesterday, he's a luxury car dealer. He said he can't operate his business anymore. Because of tariffs. Yeah, because the cars are like, basically what they're paying for tariffs is the profit he used to make. So he can't make money anymore selling cars.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. And the fact that it's happening so haphazardly too, where it's also just made it an environment where businesses just don't feel like they can invest in America in the way they used to.

[Sean Kelly]

He's trying to move manufacturing here, right?

[Keith Edwards]

I mean, he's trying to. Yeah, but like, but is that a job? Here's my thing is I think there's this a quote from, from a comedian, I forget, Dave Chappelle, perhaps. But he says, I don't want to buy Nikes. I want to be The. Or. I don't want to be the one who makes Nikes. I want to be the one who buys them. And I think that's true. Why can't we just be the country that is wealthy and buys the hard work from other people and we have a country of people who are well trained and don't have to sit in factories every day to make a living? Like, I don't think that's. I don't think that should be like our North Star. It's like bringing back jobs here that are actually, you know, not. Not great to work.

[Sean Kelly]

You have to pay a lot more, too.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

So as a business owner, like, I see that perspective also of wanting to save money. And I've outsourced stuff to other countries. You know, I got editors in, like, Pakistan, India and stuff. If I were to hire those same editors here, I would be unprofitable.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a real thing. But again, like, we shouldn't. Like, we should. We should aspire to have jobs better than making iPhones in this country.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. I don't think that's too hot of a take. I think the one thing is like, the sweatshop environment that people have a problem with. But I agree with you for the most part.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. I mean, I do think. Yeah. I think manufacturing is like, is something that is going to become more and more automated. So it also is not something we can rely on either.

[Sean Kelly]

No. I mean, look at Amazon. I think they fired a bunch of the people packing orders.

[Keith Edwards]

Oh, really?

[Sean Kelly]

They replaced them with AI.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah, yeah, Robots.

[Sean Kelly]

So that's going to be the future of manufacturing.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. And like FedEx, I'm sure, is waiting for the day that they don't have to hire people to deliver packages. Like, I'm sure that's all heading this way.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Keith Edwards]

So we have to invest in other areas and prepare the next generation of Americans to be able to survive and thrive.

[Sean Kelly]

You said you didn't support what Trump's doing with immigration.

[Keith Edwards]

No.

[Sean Kelly]

What do you have a problem with?

[Keith Edwards]

Well, there's so many things. I think the biggest one is the fact that he said it was going to go after criminals and rapists and gang members. That's not what's happening. We have masked officers in America wearing plain clothes going to Home Depots. And what's interesting about the fact they're going to Home Depot. What does that mean? It means these are people who have either work or are looking for work. These aren't people who are a detriment to our society. These are people who are doing what they can to make a life for themselves. And by the way, they're contributing to the economy. These are not criminals, and they are tearing people apart. And that's not what you ran on. You ran on getting rid of criminals and rapists and gang members, which I think we can all agree on. But that doesn't equal to, like, I think 3,000 people a day is what they want to do. And so I think it's appalling. The images we see of masked officers arresting people without a warrant, without identifying themselves, and without due process. That's not America. It's not what America used to be, but that is what it is today under Trump. And it should be terrifying to anyone whether you agree with Trump or not, because if he can do that to them, what's stopping him from doing it to you or me or anyone watching this?

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, there was something about birthright citizens he just removed or something I saw.

[Keith Edwards]

Well, he didn't remove it, but he's trying to make it so that birthright citizenship, which, by the way, is in the Constitution. This is what I'm talking about, where he just swings for the fences and just hopes that some of these things will work out as an executive order. Executive orders are not, you know, they're not creeds from the king. They're, you know, they are. They're not even laws, you know, and so I. He can't get rid of birthright citizenship as much as he wants to. It's in the Constitution. It's very clear they're trying to say that it actually had to do with slaves and, you know, making slave citizens. It's not what it says.

[Sean Kelly]

Very.

[Keith Edwards]

The English in that amendment is very plain. So he can try as hard as he wants, but that is one of the fundamental things about our country, is that if you're born here, you're an American. It's one of the beautiful things about our country, too, is that. And it used to be, is that being an American is an idea. It is actually not something that you are inherently born with and you can never have. I can never become a French person. You know, I can never become a German or a Chinese person, but someone from China, from France or Germany could move. Used to be able to move here and could become an American. That was the beautiful thing about this place. And he's kind of destroyed that a little bit.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, we might have to fact check this, but I saw something like Obama deported more people than Trump.

[Keith Edwards]

I think that's right. I mean, I'M not sure. I'm not sure if that's true today, but I think that was for sure true in his first term.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. And people paint Trump as, like, this mass deporter, but he's not putting up the numbers.

[Keith Edwards]

He said, well, he's not supporting them either. He's arresting them. You know, he's not getting rid of them. He's putting. He's arresting them. And he built Alligator Alcatraz.

[Sean Kelly]

Saw that.

[Keith Edwards]

Which is disturbing, to say the least.

[Sean Kelly]

He wanted to bring back Alcatraz.

[Keith Edwards]

Yes. Yeah. And I think it's like $400 million and growing for Alligator Alcatraz. Like, is that. I mean, if. If. Let's just suppose that migrants are a huge strain on our economy is the solution of $400 million investment in keeping them occupied. I don't understand that. You know, and also, Donald Trump says that there are two ideas that had to exist in order for Donald Trump to exist. And it's one, we've never. The border is completely secure. He says that all the time. The border's never, never been more secure. But two, that we are. Basically, there's an infestation of immigrants.

[Sean Kelly]

20 million.

[Keith Edwards]

Like, how can it be both? It's either, either. It's either. Either there's a problem or he solved it. But he. He tries to have it both ways.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, I remember they were throwing around that 20 million number.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. Insane. I mean, I said there are 65 million.

[Sean Kelly]

65.

[Keith Edwards]

That's what she said. It's not. That's not true. It's not true.

[Sean Kelly]

That's hard to believe.

[Keith Edwards]

Well, it actually turns out to be the size of the Latino population.

[Sean Kelly]

Interesting. Yeah, very interesting. Yeah. I don't know. I think I know some illegals and. Yeah, I think it'd be kind of inhumane to deport all of them.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. And he's allowed to deport them now to places that aren't even like, their home country.

[Sean Kelly]

Really?

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. The Supreme Court just ruled that. Whoa.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, I didn't see that.

[Keith Edwards]

Yes.

[Sean Kelly]

I know. This amnesty thing is a big deal, too, that we're talking about right now.

[Keith Edwards]

Yes.

[Sean Kelly]

That would be expensive.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. Well, it's interesting. I mean, talking about things that are rift and MAGA is that he. Basically, this is where, like, there's a push and pull with him, is that his donors are wealthy billionaires. They need cheap labor. And so they're like, come on, Trump, you can't, like, get rid of all of our, like, all of, like, our cheap labor. And so he's now. So, like, Last week he was like, well, we actually have to look out for farmers. But Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon are really upset, and they're calling it Amnesty because he was saying that there has to be some system where people like that can work in our country.

[Sean Kelly]

Wow. I haven't seen Charlie go against Trump before. Oh, yeah, that's interesting.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. Well, he wasn't a direct at, but it was basically. He was going after the donors. He was basically saying it's the donors who decided it.

[Sean Kelly]

Okay.

[Keith Edwards]

But it's his roundabout way of going after Trump. Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Interesting. So what do you think the biggest, I guess, threat or enemies to America are right now that people should be focused on?

[Keith Edwards]

I think probably the Republican Party.

[Sean Kelly]

Really?

[Keith Edwards]

Yes.

[Sean Kelly]

You think it's that bad?

[Keith Edwards]

It's really bad, yes. Wow. I think when you're in it, it's hard to know how deep you are, but we have a person who is continually doing unconstitutional things. We have a Republican Party completely unwilling to be a check on him, and in some states, some ways endorses his worst behavior. And that is a system that cannot maintain a democracy. So our biggest enemy is ourselves right now.

[Sean Kelly]

Wow. Because you used to be Republican, right?

[Keith Edwards]

No, no.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, no, no.

[Keith Edwards]

I've always been a Democrat.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, okay.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

I don't know why I have that in my notes. Yeah, chatgpt messed up.

[Keith Edwards]

I think it's because I work for the Lincoln Project.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, okay.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

I must have misunderstood that one.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Damn. The biggest enemy is Republicans. I've never heard that answer.

[Keith Edwards]

Well, I've heard China.

[Sean Kelly]

I've heard Russia. I've heard Israel a lot lately.

[Keith Edwards]

Well, only one group in this world has tried to overthrow one of our elections, and that is Donald Trump by way of his supporters. So I don't know. It's. I wish this weren't true. I wish that we were able to kind of argue about the discrepancies of a tax bill rather than whether or not elections should be free and fair. But I do think that the Republican Party, as it stands now, is not one that believes in what the Constitution stands for.

[Sean Kelly]

Do you ever see the two parties getting along ever, like, in our lifetime?

[Keith Edwards]

I guess there is going to have to be some. I don't know what it's going to be, but we are. Basically, there's going to be some sort of moment that happens where I do think the January 6th could have been it. I think one of the problems with January 6th is that, though I do believe, like, someone died. Like, imagine if Mike Pence were to have died or Nancy Pelosi, God forbid, I think that day would have looked a lot different. But it was very close. That was very close to happening. But I do think there will be. Have to be some sort of reckoning in this country with the extremism that we are currently experiencing.

[Sean Kelly]

I agree. Because I think in order to grow, you need some unity. Right. Can always be fighting each other.

[Keith Edwards]

Yeah. And I do think most Americans want that. They want unity. I don't think Donald. Donald Trump is ever going to be a unifying figure. And I do think that we have to find a way to live together. You know, I go after Republicans a lot in my content, but it's not really Republicans. It's just Trump. It's Trump and everything he stands for. But I think there is so much room for different types of beliefs in this country. But we all have to believe in the same thing, which is that one. Any like, we have freedom of speech in this country. And you shouldn't be able to tell me what I can say. And I should be able to say that's not something Donald Trump believes in. We also should. You know, the winners of elections are the winners of elections. That's not what Donald Trump believes in. So. And there's many more examples. So it is. It is a scary thing to think that someone like that is at the highest part or the highest office in our country.

[Sean Kelly]

Okay, thanks for your time, man. Where could people support you and find you?

[Keith Edwards]

You know, I don't even know anymore. Like, X. Is X even good? I don't ask that much. I don't know. Just. You can just search my name. YouTube. You can subscribe me on YouTube. Perfect.

[Sean Kelly]

We'll make it. Thanks for coming on, man. I'll set up a debate with you and Charlie Kirk next time.

[Keith Edwards]

I will, I will.

[Sean Kelly]

I'll moderate that. All right. All right. See you guys.