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So I knew the church we went to was really weird growing up. And as I got older and I saw other people in their churches, I was like, wow, ours was weird. And then I looked it up one day and the word cult was attached to it.
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Did growing up in that super religious environment kind of cause you to rebel?
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Oh, yeah. Let's go with the stereotype here, of course. Like, I didn't know what a gay person was until I was 12. My dad told me one time, if you make out with girls, lets demons enter your heart.
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Damn. So he's like super religious.
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These very relips, they're not homophobic. They're just very, very classical Christian.
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All right, guys. Madison Morgan here today. What a.
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What an outfit, right?
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Do you wear this all the time?
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I wear it to church most often.
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Nice. You go to church every Sunday?
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No.
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No, not anymore.
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Not anymore. I actually have very, very religious parents, though. It was interesting starting off with something spicy, I guess.
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Yeah.
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So I knew the church we went to was really weird growing up. And as I got older and I saw other people in their churches, I was like, wow, that ours was weird. And then I looked it up one day and the word cult was attached to it. And I was like, wow, something was off.
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Where was that one?
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It was in Southern California.
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Oh, yeah.
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A pretty normal place. Like, not a super religious place, but it's there.
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Did growing up in that super religious environment kind of cause you to rebel?
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Oh, yeah. Let's go with the stereotype here, of course. Like, I didn't. I didn't know what a gay person was until I was 12.
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What?
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Like, I never actually heard of one.
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I was about the same age. I'd say.
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Really?
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Yeah, because they weren't. They weren't shoving it down kids throats like they are now.
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Yeah, everyone knows what a gay person is now. It's just interesting to like. I've just never heard of one.
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Yeah.
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Until then.
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Yeah, I would say probably. Yeah. Intermediate school is when I learned.
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Intermediate school.
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Yeah. Fifth grade.
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Fifth grade, yeah.
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So about the same as you. But now I feel like they know it before they're even in kindergarten for sure. Which is crazy. You know, I don't like that.
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You don't?
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Well, you do.
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You don't like gay people?
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No, I don't like that they're pushing it. Oh.
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I was like, okay, let me just.
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Claire, No, I don't mind gay people.
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All right, all right, all right.
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I know a few gay people, you know. A few? Yeah.
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Ever, Ever thought about being with a guy?
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Hell no. What the. Have you thought about being with a girl?
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You know, I have definitely thought about it.
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And you acted on it.
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I did. I'm just giving you a hard time. I know.
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How old were you when you first did that?
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14. No, 13. Wow.
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I know, that's young.
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It was really weird. Like funny and weird. Like I was with like two of my girlfriends and one of them was like, she was just like a horny little girl. She was just like a pervert. And she would just say the most outrageous stuff. This is still like when I was like really into like the church thing. I was like, very, very sheltered. And we were with another one of my girlfriends and then she was like, I want to film you guys making out. And we were like, yeah. For some reason we like let her do it.
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Damn. 13 at 13. And then it was like, I thought.
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I was like, so I was hot. But I remember I was like, so dirty. Why did I do such a thing? And then I'm like, oh, that's cool.
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You didn't tell the parents about that one?
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No, they never found out. Thank God.
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Well, now they know.
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My dad told me one time, girl, if you make out with girls, it lets demons enter your heart.
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Damn. So he's like super religious.
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He's very religious. They're not homophobic. They're just very, very classical. Christian though.
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Do you still talk to them? Are you?
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I do.
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Really?
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Yeah. They're really good people.
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They don't get affected by what you do.
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They don't like. I don't think so. They don't like it, but they still accept and support me as like a person. So that's more than, you know. I Can say for a lot of parents out there.
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Yeah.
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But I don't think Annie's dad's like, dream is for their little girl to grow up and get gang banged on, in all fairness.
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Yeah.
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Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.
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Cut the camera. They see us.
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Only pay for what you need@liberty mutual.com savings. Very underwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company affiliates, excludes Massachusetts. How old were you when you got in the adult industry?
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I was. It was in my senior year of high school.
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Damn.
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Like, right at the very. I turned 18 right at the beginning.
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So you. You planned it out?
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No, it happened on accident.
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What. How was that an accident?
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I. So I. My parents and I got into, like a big fat argument one day, and then they're like, you can leave the house. And I was like, I don't want to do that, but whatever. And I worked at IHOP and Pizza Hut, which. And I went to high school. And what did we make back in our day? What, 8, 25 at the time. So I was like, well, I can't, like, live somewhere, pay rent and have a car payment, all that. So my. This girl kept posting on Facebook, Make $200 a day. Make $200 a day. And I was like, what is that? And so I hit her up, like, what is this job? And she, like, was super vague. She wouldn't tell me, but I was desperate, right? So I called up my old boss, and he was very, you know, very, very much a smooth talker. I'm like, okay, still don't know what this job is, but he sounds nice. So I rolled in, and I wore, like, business casual attire, like I would wear to, like a normal interview.
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Yeah.
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And then I goes like, what is this job? And then he explained, essentially explains like, what webcaming is. And I'd never heard of webcamming. There was no reason for me. For me to really know back then, or I don't. I think a lot of people hadn't really heard of it either. But he eventually goes, yeah, so you can get paid to eat and sleep or something along those lines. And I go, whoa, whoa, whoa. Paid to eat and sleep. That sounds like the easy way out. I'm taking it.
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It's not a bad offer. 200 bucks a day to eat and sleep.
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Yes. And then my first day actually did make exactly 200 bucks. Like 2. $200 and like, 8 cents or something like that.
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Wow. Just for webcamming.
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Yeah.
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And you had to talk to guys, though, right?
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Oh, of course. Well, I remember I was like, oh, I won't get naked. Like, because I was just scared or, you know, it just wasn't something I'd made peace with yet. And I was like, oh, well, I'll do it, but I won't get naked. And then I remember one guy was like, just. Just please. And I had no boobs. God bless the guy. He's like, I just really want to see your boobs. I was like, no, No, I won't. Oh.
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And then it was game over from there.
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Yeah. And every time I got talked into it, though, like, I always, like, remember, I kind of, like, had fun, and I was just like, oh, I don't care. This doesn't, like, bother me. Like, I think it's kind of fun.
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And then it escalated from there. From the webcam.
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It did.
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How did that happen?
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Browsers hit me up a couple years ago because I got a big Instagram following back when that was more important and before everyone had bbls. I have a really naturally big butt, so I would just take up a whole lot of booty. My friends, like, would still, even to this day, like, I've never seen so many pictures of someone's butt, but just was post little on up there. And yeah, then I got browsers hit me up, said, we'll give you a contract. And I said, oh, well, I'm gonna go with anybody. This is kind of the time.
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And it was more than the webcam money.
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So at that point, I had started doing. This isn't even like, this is kind of an obsolete thing now, but premium Snapchat, that's what. That's what came before, kind of paved the way for it.
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I heard of it. Premium Snapchat. Yeah.
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Yeah. It was a big. I had a couple of friends that, like, made a million dollars in a year.
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Wow.
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Like, over a million dollars. It was really good money at the time, but I was already doing that, so I definitely was doing, like, adult work. I just wasn't. So people in the industry will say, like mainstream work. So if you upload your own stuff and you do, like, that's like you're doing amateur. Right. But if you shoot for the studios, like, I don't know, like, browsers.com or naughty America or, like, Team Ski, just to name a few, or bankbros.com like that. Those are, like, studio sets. And that's when you're like a professional.
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Got it.
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So to speak.
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And that's how you started. Right. And then you. Now you have an of or no?
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Oh, yeah. I had it before all that.
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Oh, you did?
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Yeah.
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Okay, so you do both.
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I, of course, I feel like these.
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Days you have to, right?
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You have to. Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Because I know a lot of people pick one or start with one and then they make fun of the other one.
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But I don't get what the big deal is. Anyways. I think they're both cool and we're doing pretty much the same. Like being on a studio set is a little bit more challenging. But Yeah, I think the beef people have is like very imaginary.
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Yeah. What's. What's more challenging about it.
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With. Oh f. You can just shoot whatever you want and whatever feels comfortable versus, like if you're on a set, you have a pair of a makeup artist, a camera guy, a lighting guy, a photographer, a director. So that's just a lot of moving parts. And then everybody, of course, like has to get their own time. Like it's just like a. It's a bit more corporate, I suppose. And then they get. The studio will hit the director up and say, we want. Here's your script. We need this kind of video and we need you to make it for us. So sometimes they're like, okay, well, like most of the time it's never on a bed, which is really funny. Like they are. They do not like beds over there, let me tell you.
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Really?
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I don't know what it is with it. With being like anti bed.
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It's kind of ironic, so.
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Right. Kind of ironic. But they'll be like, here's like a. A kitchen island. Like, we need 45 minutes go. And we need to see everything. So you just do like up more challenging positions. I would say, like stuff you just wouldn't do at home because they're not super comfortable.
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Yeah.
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And then you. Sometimes they're like, we need to rely and move. And then the guy's like, dick is up and it's down and it's up.
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Yeah. He's got to keep it up for an hour.
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God bless them. God bless.
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A long time it is. Think they get tired by the end of that.
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You know, for sure it's bad though, because most directors are cool about it. They're like, hey, you know, I got one too. Or whatever, you know, like. And I try to never give a hard time. It's like, you know, they're doing the best they can. Things Happen. But I've. I've been on set before. Like, the director will be like, what is wrong with you? Why isn't it hard? I'm like, stop yelling at him. I want to go home too.
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I would make. That would make it worse. I feel like you're getting shamed for it.
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I know. I'm like, this is not healthy.
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Like, how would you get turned on at that point?
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Right. I try to help them out at first. Like, you know, fluff them up a little bit. But if it's taking them like an hour to finish, I'm kind. Yeah, you're on your own, buddy. Sorry.
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An hour's nuts.
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Yeah.
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So some guys are lasting that long.
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Okay. I don't say that. I mean, it's a little bit exact, but it's taken. I've. We've all sat there in like silence and waited like 20 minutes for the guy to keep jerky holy. He's just having, you know, he's just not having. He's just off that day.
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20 minutes just to get hard.
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No. Well, that's happened before too. To finish.
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Oh, to finish. Okay. Well, that makes sense.
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Yeah. And again, it's fine because it's been up, down. Like again, it's 20 minutes out of my day. I don't care.
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Yeah.
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And I don't want to stress them out.
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Damn. What's the most.
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He comes eventually.
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What's the most memorable scene you've done that you remember? You've done a lot, but I have.
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Oh, God. Dread. Dread was interesting.
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I bet a foot long videographer over there is laughing.
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I said it to my videographer. I was like, hey, can you edit this trailer up for this video? He's like, is this a joke? Like, is that like a real penis?
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Yeah.
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He's like the nicest guy in the world.
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I know. He's been on the show.
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Oh, has he?
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We've talked about the issues he deals with.
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He goes, oh. I asked. I was like, how many essay? I don't know. He's like, oh. I mean, at least, you know, it's like 10. Like something like that. Like, I was like, only 10.
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12 is insane.
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I don't know how big it is. It's big enough, though.
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Yeah. Like, that's just. I feel like at that point. Is that too much?
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Like it felt. I'm not gonna. Okay, so it definitely hurt. It wasn't anything to do with him. It's just that's the way the anatomy is. But there were times, like during the video, I was like, oh, My God, this is, like, to die for. Because it just hits spots no one's ever hit.
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Damn.
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Okay, there were a couple times I.
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Was like, okay, wow, guys got some work to do then.
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Yup. And I did a trans girl gang bang. So I got gang banged by a bunch of trans girls.
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What? The trans girl gang bang? Is that a category now? I haven't heard of that one.
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It was. For me, it was really fun. My friend, who set it up as, like, her and her girlfriends, and she has, like, this big giant, like, Barbie mansion, and they're all wearing, like, pink BDSM Barbie clothes. And I got there, and they're, like, all running around, like, trying to do stuff. And I was like, okay. It's like, are we filming today? She goes, you're bottoming.
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Oh, my gosh. So how many of them were there?
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There are three.
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Three? Is that the most you've done at once?
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No, I took 10 at once.
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Oh, my God.
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Well, not trans girls at the same time.
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10.
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I took 10. They said they're like, yeah, so we scheduled, like, a gang bang for you. And I'm like, all right, it's time in my career for that, I guess.
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And then.
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Which I was really excited about. I. I'm. I was stoked. And I. I was like, how many guys are coming? Like, we don't know, because sometimes guys, like, drop out or whatever. Somebody's test comes back or, like, I don't know, can go wrong. Right? And then there were 10.
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You must have been exhausted.
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My friend said I sounded like I was getting ax murdered.
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Jesus.
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I was tired, but I had such a good time. Ten.
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Oh, my gosh.
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They were so nice. They were like all these, like, big giant days. I was like, what's up? How we doing? I think they were, like, more nervous than I was.
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Wow. I don't know how Bonnie Blue does it. She's coming on soon, and, oh, she did a thousand in a day.
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Is there video proof of this?
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I heard there was, but she just got banned on a F yesterday. I saw that because she was trying to do, like, more than a thousand or something.
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I know. I see all these people. They're like, oh, I got to take time. Like, oh, she's setting society back. And I'm like, it's her choice. I mean, she can. Everyone who signed up is a willing participant.
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That's a good point. It's not like she's making them do it. Like, guys are signing up.
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Yeah. And she's the one who wants to do this. So I Don't. I don't know if people are gonna get mad at that, but, like, I don't. I generally don't see the problem with it if everybody's consenting adults.
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Yeah. I was just shocked. I'd never seen someone get banned like that on. Oh.
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I think just bad publicity from it. But that sucks for her.
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Yeah. She was making half a mil a month.
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Good for her.
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That's a big stream.
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She lost, that is.
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Hopefully she'll figure out because I don't know what pain, but probably nowhere close to that, right?
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No, they're not really tube sites. Don't really pay anything really.
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So you make most of the money off the. Of stuff. Yeah. Did you build yours up to a good size? I did pretty good Twitter marketing.
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Twitter mostly. Instagram.
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Instagram.
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Instagram.
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I thought they ban you if you post it there.
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I have friends are like, how do you post what you post?
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And you never got banned?
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Oh, no, I've been banned like so many times. Just appeal it. You get it back. Because I don't actually break, like the terms of service.
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You just post like half nudes.
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Half. Yeah. I mean, you obviously can't just be like, vagine out, but oh, man, some cheeks just show showing out.
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Yeah, cheeks are fine. Right?
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For sure.
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I did want to ask about the webcam days.
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Yeah.
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Ran into some wild fetishes.
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Yeah. So the website I work, I've been on there for a long time and it is a specifically like more of a fetish website because you can take the girl into a one on one show. So that's where the fetish people go.
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So it's just you and the person.
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Yeah, it's just you and the person. So they flock towards that website. But yeah, guys with like hardcore fetishes are really funny because they just fixate so much on these really minute things where. And you think to yourself, how could this turn anyone on this much to have spent $600 on this regularly? And it'll be like, I've had guys ask me to brush my teeth. I've had guys ask me to like, see sit on a balloon. Or there was one guy actually, not too long ago, and he was like, hey, do you have. He pops into my chat room and he goes, hey, do you have your tonsils still? And I go, yeah. He goes, oh, can I see them? And I go, okay. So he takes me to like, little chat room thing. And then he's like, oh, yeah. Like zoom in on the back of your throat. I want you to just cough it up for me so I can see those tonsils in motion. I'm like, yeah, daddy, you'd like this. Tonsils big and juicy.
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Oh, my God.
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He was thrilled.
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Tonsil fetish.
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A tonsil fetish.
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That's the craziest one I've ever heard.
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Is that funky?
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Yeah. I've heard some wild ones, but that one takes the icing, I think. Tonsil fetish.
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I had all these tags, like, juicy tonsils, like, great gagging. And I was like, wife material.
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Yeah. Because I know there's a poop fetish. You don't do that one.
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Never. I don't even like to discuss bathroom, like, for being as, like, having a bit more of a wild lifestyle and being various people's bodies and people being a little used to mine. I cannot stand bathroom humor or anybody mentioning things they did in the restaurant.
B
Wow. That's your line, huh?
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I can't do it. Like, it makes me, like, just want to, like, kill myself and kill the person who's talking about it.
B
Damn. You'll get banged by 10 dudes, but someone brings up poop. That's your line?
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Yeah.
B
Yeah. You're not.
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Everybody's got their thing, I guess.
B
Yeah, I guess so.
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I'm, like, such a prude about it.
B
Have you turned down a fetish request?
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Yes.
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Which one?
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Definitely. Was it called Scat. That's what. That's, like, the official title for, like, poop stuff.
B
Oh, okay.
A
That's probably, like, the most crazy, like, common request people will want, or a lot of them will be like, can you fart for me? And I'm like, I've never done that a day in my life ever, first of all. And second of all.
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Yeah, I've heard that one, too. The P1, too.
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I don't mind the. It's not, like, something where I'm like, oh, my God, like, I got it. I got to have that man golden shower me. Oh, yay, R. Kelly me. It doesn't really bother me. I let somebody do it once. Like, we were partying with, like, this one director, and he was like, I just love to pee on people. And my boyfriend and I at the time were like, oh, okay, cool. I mean, do you. Boo. Boo. And then we were, like, all partying. We're all, like, super drunk in the pool. And then he, like, gets my boyfriend and me, and then he, like, kind of props me up and goes do it and, like, swims away. And I was like, ugh, no way. Okay. And then I did it, and I was like. I was like, did you like that? He goes, no. I go, me neither.
B
Oh, my God.
A
That was kind of that, but I'm not shaving it.
B
Damn. So you had a boyfriend at the time?
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Yeah.
B
Was he in the industry?
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He was.
B
How'd that end up?
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It's hard to date in the industry. I'll say that. I've heard that it's hard.
B
Just natural jealousy, right?
A
Yeah. The guys are pretty competitive with one another, and then they're. And I understand, like, it's not maybe your favorite thing to like, but also, like, you're the one doing it too. And then you knew this girl did it before you got with her. So I. I don't really understand the switch up.
B
Yeah. I think you just need really good communication. Like, Adam and Lena pull it off.
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Yeah, they do.
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Like, she just did another scene with. Was it dread or. I forget the guy. It was someone else, I think the other black guy. I forget his name, but there's a couple. Yeah. But, yeah, he doesn't care.
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He doesn't. Well, I know she didn't. I don't think she filmed Boy Girl for, like, a really long time, though. Right.
B
She took some years off, and then they did that one viral scene, and then they just did it again last week.
A
Oh, yeah. Good for them.
B
And Adam doesn't care, so.
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Shout out.
B
Have you been on that show Plug Talk?
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I have, yes.
B
Nice. How was that?
A
It was fun.
B
Yeah. You had a good interview?
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I think so. Our Plug Talk.
B
Yeah. Plug Talk.
A
Yeah, I did Plug Talk. That one was cute.
B
Yeah.
A
A lot of booty.
B
That's the craziest podcast I've ever heard of.
A
Plug Talk.
B
Yeah. Where you interview the guests and then.
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You have sex after, like, the big orange couch, baby.
B
Crazy. Adam's doing big things, you know. You had an incident with his former co host, Sharp.
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Oh, my favorite.
B
I saw that episode.
A
Yeah, that was. That was an interesting interview.
B
How shocked were you with how things went down?
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I was pretty surprised, for sure.
B
Did you have any idea he'd be that angry?
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I guess I did not do my research like I should have. I was definitely really surprised with how the interview went. Granted, I had a couple friends say, like, hey, this is just kind of how he does things. And I was like, ooh, I should have done more research. But, you know, I mean, he does get a lot of views, and he's doing whatever he needs to do to get that done, so.
B
I understand there's podcasts that just.
A
It wasn't my favorite interview, but I get it.
B
Yeah. There's pods like that, just on of.
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Girls, you know, for sure.
B
Fresh and fit.
A
Oh, that one. Yeah. I. I don't watch it, obviously.
B
You should go on that one.
A
Oh, I'm good. I'm good.
B
I think.
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I think sharp was enough for me.
B
It's funny though, because I know, like, girls that go on these shows and they get kicked off and then.
A
Right.
B
They just make a ton of money, though.
A
I did make good money when that happened.
B
See? Gotta say, all PR is good pr, right?
A
That's true.
B
What's the next big idea you have for a video? Anything planned.
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The next big idea for a video. You know, I'm in a little bit of a. Would writer's block be applicable?
B
Yeah. Creative block.
A
Creative block. There you go.
B
Yeah, I would consider that for you.
A
Pardon me?
B
I would consider you dealing with that. Yeah. If you can't think of anything.
A
Yeah, I just. I filmed kind of everything at this point.
B
Damn. So there's nothing you could think of left.
A
There's gotta be something, right?
B
You've done all the roleplay stuff, all those sex positions.
A
Most of them also that I can physically do.
B
Three trans on one, ten guys on one.
A
Yup.
B
What's next?
A
I think you just kind of keep doing that over. You go back to regular boy, girl, I guess.
B
Damn. What's the end game for you? You want to retire? You want to keep doing this for a while?
A
I do. I really want to do this as long as I can. And I remember, of course, when I started, people like, well, what about when you turn like 30 or what? You can't do this forever. And I understand why people would say that for sure. But MILFs exist. MILF money is the greenest.
B
MILF's the best category. Right.
A
It's definitely up there. People like the MILF stuff. So once I kind of realized, like, I had the option to not ever have to quit, I was like, great, I get to do my dream job. Whatever.
B
Never get sick of it. You just.
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Oh, there's times I hate it. Like with. I think with any job or anything you really love to do, you're going to have. Even if it's your dream job, some days it's not your dream job and it's tedious and frustrating. Whatever. But that's just life. Are you care?
B
Yeah. Or your. Your DM's pretty crazy.
A
They're nuts.
B
A lot of celebrities and blue checks in there.
A
When I was big on Snapchat because I just keep getting deleted. So I don't really mess with it. But yeah. A lot. A lot of athletes, a lot of rappers.
B
You ever respond or. No? Yes.
A
I can't name names, but you signed.
B
Some NDAs for sure. Yup, yup, yup. You've been to some Diddy parties.
A
I have not been to a Diddy party.
B
You haven't?
A
No.
B
Like, actually, are you just.
A
No, Genuinely, I've never been to one.
B
Have you been watching the trials?
A
I know some people who did go. I will say this, though. So I've never been to one, but there were a couple guys that I ran into on set about four, and four or five different guys told me this exact same story. They were all, like, really pretty. Like, they would come into set every once in a while, but they're usually like magic mic dancers. Like, so that's the kind of guy. And they said, oh, Diddy hired me for something this weekend, and I'll go, oh, like, how'd it go? They're like, yeah. So, like, basically, Diddy would watch them, like, sleep, like, hook up with the girl. But then Diddy would get, like, very involved, and he'd be like, oh, yeah. Just, like, get your shoulders up and just touch her like this. And he would just be, like, touching on the guy. And the guy was like. And I heard this exact same story, like, quite a few times. And they would go, is he trying to try to. Whatever. Like, just, get off of me. Let me fuck this girl.
B
It's like a cuck, but, like, reverse.
A
Yeah. So he basically would just, like, choreograph these, like, scenes he would want them to do, and then he would just feel them out, you know, kind of literally, and then be like, oh, I wonder. Like, I guess, like, to figure out if they're by or not.
B
So. Wow. I guess it's a pretty clever way, right?
A
Yeah. Like, naked, right? Like, do you want to come to a party? Do you want to, like, have sex with this girl and get paid? Do you want to fudge me? Get paid?
B
No.
A
Okay.
B
Oh, my gosh. Have you been to a swinger party before? Never really shocked. You haven't done that?
A
I know. I went to the Green Door one time with my friends. It's like this. God bless it.
B
I heard it.
A
This terrible, like, janky club in Las Vegas. It's the most known one is the Switch Swingers Club. And my friends and I were all, like, hanging out one day. It was like four of us, like, two guys, two girls. I told my friend, like, Dre to just. I was like, here, you're gonna be my little buddy for the Night. And then my friend and his girlfriend. So anyways, we walk in, we're like, oh, sweet. Because we're pretty wild, you know. These aren't industry friends either. We're just like having some drinks, hanging out. And we got in there. There are no women to be found. Just some of the craziest, like, creepiest looking men on earth. God bless. I don't know what we really expected. We like went to like a little private room and we're like, oh, yeah, we're at the swingers club. And then like eight or nine guys, like piled on in. I was like, get me out of here.
B
Jeez, that's sketchy.
A
I was like, get me the hell out of here.
B
You just have sex in any room there. Like, how does it work?
A
I don't remember in too much detail, but I remember it was dark. It was really dark. And then we paid for like a wristband and I got like a drink pass. And then they're like, oh, like, if you guys want to do stuff, here's like this tiny dark room. And then all the boys just, you know, like little penguins. They just shoveled it in.
B
Sounds horrible.
A
You think they're not cute?
B
I would have.
A
Yeah, they're not cute.
B
You think they'd have like a ratio thing or.
A
Like, that's what I thought. Because even like, if it's not a girl you necessarily maybe would want to go with, she's going to keep her dude in check. Or they're just going to be a better behaviors.
B
Yeah, Vegas isn't the scene for that. But la, I heard, has some sex parties that are pretty, right?
A
Those really cool ones, like, you have to like, everybody gets tested, everybody signs a waiver. Like no cell phones.
B
And like, you've been to those, haven't you?
A
I haven't. No one invites me to swinger parties ever. It's ridiculous.
B
Why do you think that is?
A
Oh, I'm always single.
B
Isn't that a good thing?
A
I would think so, yeah.
B
I feel like you could just find a date for the night and pull up.
A
It's not something I've really looked into too terribly much. Maybe nobody wants me to come.
B
Could be single by choice or just.
A
Oh, by choice.
B
Yeah. Super busy with work.
A
Yeah. If it's not like, I don't know, like, of course dating can get complicated and all that, but it shouldn't it be fun?
B
Yeah.
A
Like, most of the time I'm not having fun. Most of the time when I'm dating someone, I don't want to do it.
B
I could see guys being intimidated to date you.
A
Very. They kind of are.
B
I just. Yeah. You need a really strong person to be able to pull it off. I feel like that's true with the scenes you're doing. Shout out to Riley Reed. She found a good one.
A
She did.
B
Happy for her. She was someone I watched growing up.
A
Oh, she's such a sweetheart. Her dudes, really. I don't know him super well or anything. He's very nice.
B
Hats off to him for. For doing that.
A
She's a great girl. She deserves it.
B
She's nice. You said earlier you took some. Some blowjob classes.
A
I took a blowjob class once, yes.
B
In Vegas.
A
Yeah.
B
Wow.
A
It was at one of the adult stores.
B
You could just walk in and.
A
Yeah, I remember she gave us. I don't remember in. I don't remember a ton of details from. I'll be honest, because this is like 10 years ago. But I will say she gave us a cucumber and she was like, okay, everybody, you know, just put that in your mouth. And I put it. And it's. It's so hard. It's a cucumber. That she looked at me, like, throughout the. She goes, someone's eyes are watery. And I was like, shut up.
B
So it was like a group class.
A
Yeah. I was like, leave me my watery eyes alone.
B
That's hilarious. If I'm taking a class like that, like a sex class, I'd want to be one on one.
A
I mean, the group thing made it funnier because everyone's uncomfortable together. It's all girls.
B
Oh, no. Guys.
A
Well, I guess a guy could have joined. I don't remember their being.
B
You also been arrested? Oh, we got to talk about that.
A
Oh, I play. I have dressed up as a copy.
B
Yeah. Not in real life. That was role play.
A
A little role play action for you. Get those cuffs on.
B
I've tried cuffs.
A
Have you? I don't really care for them.
B
I don't like them.
A
Right. I always thought I was in high school when I tried it, I was like, oh, yeah, like the cuffs. And I was just like, God, this is uncomfortable.
B
It sounds fun.
A
And then, like, whipped cream. Like, whipped cream was not actually fun.
B
You don't think so?
A
I don't think so. I again, I feel like that's something, like, a lot. Something that I tried in high school. I did, like, chocolate syrup and, like, whipped cream and, like, all that stuff. And I was just like, it looks kind of cool. I get it for like. But like, in real life, I'm just like, I'm sticky and I don't like the taste of whipped cream, but I just don't like being sticky afterwards.
B
Yeah, no one talks about what happens afterwards.
A
I know. That's kind of the problem there.
B
Yeah. What excites you then?
A
What excites me? You know what's interesting is I've been more into like vanilla. Like I like the freaky deaky stuff, I really do. But I've gotten like more into like maybe it's like with age. Age or just like the stuff I've had over the last years where I'm like more into the vanilla stuff.
B
Really?
A
I know that's shocking. I know. And I was always just like, ew, vanilla. And now I'm like, I can have a little taste of that.
B
Yeah. Cuz you think you'd be so over it by now. You know?
A
I don't. I think if it's with the right person, you're never over it.
B
You believe in love?
A
Of course.
B
Of course. You're romantic at heart.
A
Yeah. Surprise.
B
It makes the sex better.
A
It does. I. I guess I'm just gonna be real with you. Like sex with the person you really love or have great chemistry with is always gonna be good.
B
Way better.
A
Yeah. Even if someone was just like on paper better or could do like different, better crazy moves or whatever, like that's well and good. Like even if they're better, but like somebody have like chemistry that you love a lot, it's gonna be the best 100.
B
Wow. I'm shocked. You have this take, honestly. Oh yeah. You think someone in your industry would just treat sexes like a business?
A
I mean, there's days where that happens, but I. I don't like to. And I did because it was fun to have as much fun with it as I can.
B
You still have the same passion for it as when you started in the industry or have you kind of mellowed out?
A
I don't like to film as much as I used to, but I still like sex in general for sure. And I. And there's times I definitely still really enjoy filming it. It's just your first versus like your 500th. It's not.
B
It's just gonna be different over 500 scenes?
A
Pretty sure.
B
Wow.
A
Pretty sure.
B
Was it all different guys or.
A
No, there's. There. There's definitely some repeats.
B
Okay.
A
Wow.
B
500. Well done.
A
No thanks.
B
That's got to be up there, right?
A
Dad is proud.
B
You might as well shoot for a thousand if you're halfway there.
A
I know I need to like actually sit there and, like, count how much is.
B
But what a problem to have.
A
I know.
B
Wow.
A
It's been a ride, people.
B
Any regrets?
A
Oh, this is kind of a deep question. Or is it? I don't know if I would tell.
B
You if I didn't mean it to be my bad.
A
No, that's okay. I can't really think of any. And I don't know if I would tell you to be honest.
B
Fair enough. Fair enough. Could get pretty personal, now that I think about it. Yeah. I don't know. I try to live day by day. I think everything that happens happens for a reason.
A
Yeah. Sometimes. Like when things. Because, you know, of course, I do have, like, my little things I regret. I suddenly can't think of any at the top of my head. But what I try to do is I'll think, like, okay, well, what about this bad thing that happened and it turned into, like, a good thing?
B
That's literally what happens every time.
A
Yeah. Something good generally comes out of it eventually.
B
In my lowest moments, when I look back, it's like right after that, the best thing happens.
A
What are some of your regrets? Do you want to tell me?
B
No, because I'm at peace with them.
A
Okay, so you don't want to, like.
B
So even though they were regrets at the time, now the way I live, like, I really don't have any, actually.
A
That's cool.
B
Yeah. So they used to be. But now I'm, like, treating it more as a lesson.
A
As a lesson?
B
Yeah.
A
It's very disciplined of you. I like that.
B
I try not to live in the past because I used to.
A
Is that you on your shirt?
B
Yeah. Launch a cartoon one day. Inspire the next young generation of people.
A
Oh, look at you. What a cute cartoon.
B
You are bad, right?
A
Yeah.
B
Shout out to my designer.
A
Who's your designer?
B
Meek. She's in from the Philippines and now she lives here because I was able to pay her.
A
Are you Filipino?
B
I'm half Chinese, half Chinese, yeah. You like?
A
I didn't get that right.
B
You like Asian guys?
A
I do, yeah.
B
That's a rare take.
A
Really?
B
Yeah. Most girls.
A
Sexy Asian guys out there. I don't know if people have not explored enough. I guess if they disagree or present.
B
Let's go.
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're very intense in the bedroom. I like that.
B
Very locked in, right?
A
Very locked in in the bedroom. I like that a lot.
B
Hard workers. We make up for it with the lack of size, the length.
A
I've seen some pretty young Asian guys, for sure.
B
Natural, though.
A
Yeah.
B
Okay.
A
You can't really. Okay. There is Nothing you could do to make your take bigger?
B
No, there is.
A
What? You're lying.
B
No, I swear to God.
A
No, tell me. Because I could tell everybody because they asked me, like, I know I don't have a penis.
B
There's two things I know for a fact, Ken, because I've seen guys do it.
A
What is it?
B
And I've had Sterling Cooper on who's. Who's told me about it as well. So the first one is penis.
A
Oh, I got Sterling, this part guy, right?
B
Yeah.
A
Oh, I know Sterling. And yeah, he has, like, a book about it, right?
B
Yeah. First one is the penis pump. And I've had the founder of a penis pump company on the show Sam. Shout out to Sam.
A
Okay.
B
He grew 2 inches from pumping for, like, 10 years.
A
Second way is so an inch every five years.
B
Yeah, for him, I guess. Second way stem cells. You could get a pee shot in your dick.
A
Ouch.
B
But okay, yeah, girls get it in their vagina. They want to get tighter.
A
You know, I don't. I don't know. I. I know you don't have a vagina. Well, as far as I know, who knows?
B
But I don't.
A
As far as I know. But I. I would never want to be as tight as I was ever again. That shit really hurt. Like, I don't remember a lot of painful things. I remember losing my virginity was painful. And my girlfriend told me, like, yeah, the minute goes in, you're gonna be like, oh, my God, no, take it out just because it hurts so badly.
B
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Guys just like, tightness, so.
A
That's true. Although I. I will say, if you don't go at it for, like, two to six months, it mostly goes back.
B
It resets.
A
It does reset.
B
Wow. I didn't know that.
A
I was scared because, you know, I've done what I've done for a long time, and I was. I don't run around asking people, oh, you think I'm tight? Because I didn't want my feelings hurt. But I hooked up with, like, a guy friend of mine, and I. I hadn't. I didn't shoot for a couple months prior to that. And then he ran. He told people mine was like the guillotine.
B
I was like, oh, damn.
A
I was like, me. Thank God.
B
Wow. So I didn't.
A
I didn't think that at all.
B
But I always wonder if that was a myth or not. If you have sex a lot. Like, does it get looser?
A
You know, I would say, like, super loose, but, like, I'm sure I don't know if you shoot with like a dread or an Alex Jones, and then the next day somebody else slides it in. It's not going to be temper. Yeah, temporarily. It's not going to be quite the same. It's the same house, but the furniture has been rearranged.
B
Yep. So you said guy friend you had sex with. Can guys and girls be only friends in your opinion?
A
Yeah, it's not super common, but yeah, usually. I will say this, though. Usually it's because the guy wants to have sex with the girl. She just hasn't done it yet.
B
See? So, yeah, usually. I agree. I think, no, for most people, there's very rare guys that can just separate the two.
A
I think it becomes really platonic. If it's like your friend's partner.
B
Friend's partner.
A
Maybe it's like your friend's husband. You see him all the time. Yeah, he's kind of like your buddy. I got some, like, her husband or, like, her man or whatever. And you're like, oh, okay, yeah, those.
B
Are easy to separate from me.
A
They're super easy to separate. Yeah, exactly.
B
But I'm talking about just like a random guy and a random girl, that there's no other family relationships or friendships involved.
A
Well, every guy friend I've had definitely, like, wanted to sleep with me at some point. See, I mean, we were definitely really friends, but, you know. And you became my friend because they wanted you.
B
Caved in. You slept with them?
A
Not every time, but sometimes. Sometimes.
B
Wow. Well, they got out of the friend zone. At least.
A
They did. I mean.
B
Yeah, I'm sure you're friend zoning a lot of guys too.
A
It's happened.
B
You get any weird fans, like, when you go to AVN and stuff like that?
A
I. I love my fans. I really do. They pay my bills.
B
That's good. I've heard something.
A
They gave me a career. I'm just thankful.
B
I've heard some weird stories. Have you people gotten followed and stuff? Yeah, yeah.
A
There's one guy that came to me when he said weird fans. There is one that popped my head. But I don't want to. To be honest, I don't want to super mention him because if he ever sees this, he's gonna be like, what's a little bit stalkery? So I'm like, maybe we don't spotlight him.
B
Yeah, Respect. Well, that was fun. Anything else you're working on? Want to talk about or close off with here?
A
Ooh, I just did a BDSM Barbie Dungeon this morning. BDSM for adulttime.com My friend Aubrey Tate directed it and it was, it was fun. I did like, so I, I. The girl and I was like, with a trans girl and we both dressed up like Barbies and then we like, did like little Barbie voices and like arm movements and so she's like. Yeah. When you do, like the positions, can you do it how like a Barbie doll would.
B
Do you like the trans stuff?
A
I do, Yeah. I like 2 year olds for sure.
B
That's your little, your niche you're carving.
A
I like, I like, like it all.
B
Does it feel different?
A
It does.
B
Okay.
A
It does.
B
Thanks for the honesty.
A
Does it feel different to have sex like a trans woman versus a man? Is that your question?
B
Yes.
A
Yeah, it does. Yeah, it's very different.
B
How so?
A
Smell. Because a lot of, you know, trans women take hormones, so they smell very different from a man I could see that I just met pretty. They got big boobs and long hair and makeup.
B
Yeah, I meant more the, the touch and the feel. But that, that makes sense too.
A
Oh, I've had some, like, really rail me out, let me tell you.
B
Really? Okay, so they could still pound in there.
A
They got a pound? Hell, let me tell you.
B
All right, well, we'll link your, your Instagram. Anything else you want us to link in the video?
A
Instagram. How about Twitter?
B
Twitter? We'll link your Twitter.
A
Yeah. And what about, what about the.
B
We'll see about that one.
A
If you wanted. If, if only one of my fans wanted to look me up by my name, Madison Morgan. Know you could find it.
B
Fair enough.
A
Wink, wink.
B
Cool.
A
And then, yeah, X. Twitter at Madison Morgan xo. Hugs and kisses. Instagram. Madison Morgan.
B
X. Love it. Check her out, guys, if you want to watch some trans scenes. See you next time.
A
Thanks, guys.
B
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Digital Social Hour: Madison Morgan – The Former Cult Member Taking Over OnlyFans (DSH #1587)
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Madison Morgan
Release Date: October 25, 2025
This episode plunges into the candid, unconventional journey of adult performer Madison Morgan, detailing her early life in an insular religious community, her evolution into the adult industry, and her experiences as a creator and cultural figure. Through humor, honesty, and a refusal to be shamed, Madison discusses rebellion, sexual exploration, the mechanics of professional adult content, and the challenges (and perks) of life in the spotlight. The conversation covers stigma, sexuality, fetishes, relationships within the industry, and Madison’s insights on everything from online marketing to sex parties.
On cult upbringing:
“I didn’t know what a gay person was until I was 12… My dad told me if you make out with girls it lets demons enter your heart.” (01:07, 04:05)
On entering adult industry accidentally:
“I wore business casual attire like I would wear to a normal interview… and then he explains, like, what webcamming is… I go, ‘Whoa whoa, paid to eat and sleep? That sounds like the easy way out. I’m taking it.’” (06:15)
On directorial pressure in studio porn:
“The director will be like ‘What is wrong with you? Why isn’t it hard?’ I’m like, ‘Stop yelling at him! I want to go home too.’” (10:34)
On unusual fetishes:
“He pops into my chat room and goes, ‘Hey, do you have your tonsils still? Can I see them?... I want to see those tonsils in motion…’ I’m like, ‘Yeah daddy, you’d like this. Tonsils big and juicy.’” (17:01-17:09)
On fan boundaries:
“You’ll get banged by 10 dudes, but someone brings up poop – that’s your line?” (17:59)
“Never… I cannot stand bathroom humor or anybody mentioning things they did in the restroom.” (17:32)
On sex and chemistry:
“Sex with the person you really love or have great chemistry with is always gonna be good, even if someone else on paper [is] better…” (30:37)
On regrets:
“I try to live day by day. I think everything that happens happens for a reason… something good generally comes out of it eventually.” (32:28)