“Men Are Tr$sh… But Women Are Equal?” | Lily Kate | DSH #1847

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Digital Social Hour

Episode: “Men Are Tr$sh… But Women Are Equal?” | Lily Kate | DSH #1847

Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Lily Kate
Release Date: March 5, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Sean Kelly sits down with social commentator Lily Kate for a fiery discussion of feminism, the “trad wife” and red pill movements, gender roles, and their complex intersections in modern society. Lily Kate, known for her anti-feminist views and for courting controversy on social media, unpacks the myths around feminism’s historical contributions, critiques ideological trends on both the right and the left, and offers her takes on attention in relationships, sexual norms, and the consequences of culture wars. The conversation is lively, challenging, and filled with memorable analogies and bold claims.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Roots and Contradictions of Feminism (00:00–05:49)

• Feminism’s Contradictions and Its Effect on Society

  • Lily introduces the idea that modern feminism is rooted in contradiction and claims it is fundamentally anti-male.
  • Argues the “supremacist” branch of feminism created the conditions for the red pill movement.

    “The supremacist feminists of the four have literally caused the red pill movement. And the problem is, like, we actually need men.” (Lily Kate, 00:00)

• Suffrage vs. Feminism: Historical Rewriting

  • Lily clarifies she’s anti-feminist, emphasizing that this doesn’t mean opposition to women’s voting rights.
  • She distinguishes women’s suffrage (a specific legal movement) from broad-spectrum feminism.

    “Suffrage is a single issue legal movement that had a very definite end in the year 1920. Feminism is a broad ideological movement that seeks to restructure power and to restructure society.” (Lily Kate, 01:37)

  • Feminism, according to Lily, retroactively claims credit for legal advances and workforce participation that women earned before feminism became mainstream.

• Book Announcement

  • Lily reveals her upcoming book: 50 Ways Feminism Failed, aiming to “debunk” feminist myths.

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2. Infighting on the Political Right (00:38–01:31)

• Conference Observations

  • Both Sean and Lily note the increase in internal conflict within conservative movements, particularly ahead of the election cycle.

    “This is the most infighting I’ve ever seen on the right.” (Sean Kelly, 00:45)

• Importance of Coalition Building

  • Lily stresses the need for mature, unifying leadership and the exclusion of extreme elements to build an effective coalition.

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3. Feminism’s Cultural Credit and Public Perception (01:31–05:22)

• Misconceptions on Voting Rights

  • Lily discusses how even conservatives conflate opposition to feminism with opposition to women’s suffrage, which she refutes.

    “Most people, when they hear I’m anti feminist, they instantly think, she doesn’t want women to vote.” (Lily Kate, 01:37)

• Data-Driven Arguments

  • Cites linguistic analysis to show the “feminism” concept was rare in media and literature before the 1960s.
  • Discusses the “hijacking” of credit for women’s workforce participation, pointing to World War II as the real turning point.

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4. The Trad Wife Movement and Femininity (05:49–09:02)

• Deconstructing “Trad Wife” and Performative Femininity

  • Lily critiques both left and right for reducing femininity to external stereotypes or costumes.

    “Femininity is not a costume. And so trad wives are dressing up as feminine women... but we have on the right, reduced femininity again to a costume.” (Lily Kate, 05:52)

• Biblical Principles

  • Introduces the “fruits of the spirit” as markers for authentic masculinity and femininity, regardless of specific life milestones or outward appearance.

5. Attention as the “Currency of Women” and Relationship Maintenance (09:03–12:29)

• Cheating, Stay-at-Home Moms & Attention

  • Discussion of new data suggesting stay-at-home mothers (or “trad wives”) cheat more—though both question the definitions and underlying reasons.
  • Lily and Sean agree that attention is critical to relationship satisfaction for women.

    “The currency of women is attention. The quicker that men can actually understand that and give their wives... that will go a long way.” (Lily Kate, 09:46)

• Personal Approaches to Relationships

  • Lily values attention and meaningful conversation over material gifts, seeks a partner who can handle debate without taking it personally, and practices calm conflict resolution.

    “I was a speech and debate person. I love debating... I'm able to more than other women separate ideas from people.” (Lily Kate, 12:07)

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6. The Red Pill and Incel Movements: Feminism’s “Shadow” (14:44–20:06)

• Red Pill as Reaction

  • Lily frames the red pill and incel movements as direct, but unhealthy, reactions to feminism’s excesses.

    “If you're going to continually tell men that they're the worst, then they're going to go create their own movement, their own spaces.” (Lily Kate, 14:44)

• Advice for Relationship Dynamics

  • Advocates that women should encourage men to have time with male friends—“home will always be here”—to strengthen relationships.

• Incel and “Femcel” Trends

  • Lily references femcels (“female incels”) as a less serious, more reactionary mirror of the male incel movement.
  • She criticizes any group that undermines marriage and institutions that “civilize” human impulses.

    “Any movement that is trying to take you away from marriage or institutions that civilize humans, then that's a movement that is not going to have any good fruit.” (Lily Kate, 19:18)

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7. Sexual Norms, Body Count, and the Impact of Feminism (21:17–22:49)

• Double Standards and Sexual Competition

  • Sean shares feeling ashamed for not being promiscuous, highlighting how the sexual revolution shifted norms.
  • Lily argues that feminism’s push for women to compete with men in all areas, even sexual conquests, created praise for high male body counts and made dating harder for traditional women.

    “Feminism created that. The praise of that archetype because they seek to compete. So when they say that women should compete with men in every aspect, they're idolizing the promiscuous male.” (Lily Kate, 22:31)

• Pride in Monogamy

  • Sean and Lily agree that being with one partner—and bonding deeply—is now increasingly “countercultural.”

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8. Birth Control, Attraction, and Medical System Critique (23:16–25:39)

• Birth Control’s Effects
  • Discussion of how hormonal contraceptives may affect women’s attraction to men, drawing from existing studies.
  • Lily shares a personal story about being pressured by a dermatologist to go on birth control at age 15 for acne, emphasizing her and her mother’s resistance, and the broader critique of overprescribing birth control for non-contraceptive reasons.

    “The only women we'd seen go on birth control gained 30 pounds in six months because their hormones were all out of whack. ... And the doctor yelled at my mom.” (Lily Kate, 24:41)

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9. Upcoming Book and Socials (25:41–26:36)

• Book Cover Preview & Socials

  • Lily shows the host her book cover (a “meme,” made with AI) intended to provoke curiosity, and shares her Instagram handle: @itslilykate.l

• Sean teases a future debate between Lily and a feminist on the show.

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Notable Quotes

• On Feminism’s Cultural Legacy:
  “Feminism takes way too much credit… for things that other movements and other forces have actually accomplished.” (Lily Kate, 03:05–03:54)

• On “Currency” in Relationships:
  “The currency of women is attention. The quicker that men can actually understand that and give their wives… that will go a long way.” (Lily Kate, 09:46)

• On Femininity and Masculinity:
  “Femininity is not a costume... If you choose to express the fruits of the spirit because of who you are biologically, you will be the most feminine version of yourself.” (Lily Kate, 05:52–07:06)

• On Modern Relationship Norms:
  “Home will always be here. I want you to go out and have this guy time, because guess what? It will make him want to spend time with you.” (Lily Kate, 16:37)

• On Sexual Double Standards:
  “Feminism created that. The praise of that archetype because they seek to compete... they're idolizing the promiscuous male.” (Lily Kate, 22:31)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Intro / Feminism’s Contradictions: 00:00–01:31
• Suffrage vs. Feminism & Book Announcement: 01:31–04:52
• Trad Wife Movement & Femininity: 05:49–09:02
• Attention & Relationships: 10:19–12:29
• Red Pill & Male Spaces: 14:44–17:58
• Incels, Femcels, and “Civilizing” Institutions: 18:32–20:06
• Sexual Double Standards & Birth Control: 21:17–25:39
• Book Cover & Closing: 25:41–26:36

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Final Thoughts

This episode delivers a challenging, sometimes provocative critique of feminist orthodoxy, mainstream gender roles, and cultural movements. Lily Kate urges for an honest re-examination of what shapes our beliefs about men, women, love, and power—delivering her views with unapologetic conviction and a dash of biblical reference. The conversation is bound to spark discussion from all sides of the culture war.

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Transcript

[Lily Kate]

Feminism campaigns actively against men and against masculinity. Feminism is actually based off of a four way contradiction, and they all view women and men differently. But the supremacist feminists of the four have literally caused the red pill movement. And the problem is, like, we actually need men. I know it's not a very novel point to say, but they're creating a more difficult society to where, you know, men are like, all right, you want to compete against us? Great, let's do it. Let's see who wins. And women are naturally going to fall behind. So.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, guys, here with a feminist. No, I'm just kidding. The biggest feminist here with Lily Kate. How's. How's life been? How's the conference been for you? Beautiful.

[Lily Kate]

Wonderful. It's reminding me that revival is still here, even though infighting is really the big story of this conference.

[Podcast Host]

This is the most infighting I've ever seen on the right.

[Lily Kate]

Kind of devolving.

[Podcast Host]

It's more than the left, honestly.

[Lily Kate]

Yeah, well. And of course, they're going to look at us and say, oh, well, they're weak. Right. In time for midterms. I mean, we're. We really only have, what, until next November to get our Mac together, and that's really not a lot of time

[Podcast Host]

it's going to take someone having to apologize or concede, which it doesn't look like is going to happen.

[Lily Kate]

Yeah. And you'd hope that we'd have more maturity than we do, but sometimes we don't, so. But, you know, we have an epic. We had an epic coalition builder in Charlie and obviously lost a national treasure, but someone has to step up to be the coalition builder and be the uniter. And, you know, it's very clear that you have to ostracize certain parts of the movement on the very, very fringes to say, we're not that. But what else are we? Like, how many people can we include within the movement to, you know, make an impact?

[Podcast Host]

You still pissing off the feminists, though, on Twitter, for sure? Always. What's the latest one? You're. What's the latest person you're going after?

[Lily Kate]

Well, it's more of an idea and a misconception that even conservatives fall into. So most people, when they hear I'm anti feminist, they instantly think, she doesn't want women to vote. And I'm like, well, my first take for that is we're never going to go back to a place where women won't be able to vote ever. So it's not even a. Like, it's just a red meat conversation is what I call it. It's never going to happen, so why are we even talking about it? But people mostly assume that feminism actually got women the ability of voting. And I actually thought that too. I'm coming out with a book, probably September next year, and I will show you the COVID but I'm not going to show everybody else. I just want to get your reaction to it. But it's called 50 Ways Feminism Failed or 50 Reasons Feminism Failed. And one of the first ones is we talk about the misconception that people believe that feminism actually got women in the boat. And that's just not true. Suffrage is very, very different than feminism. Suffrage is a single issue legal movement that had a very definite end in the year 1920. Feminism is a broad ideological movement that seeks to restructure power and to restructure society. Those are two very, very distinct things. And so actually, if you do a. Just go on like Google, Google word search, right, and take all literature and all writing that has been published since the year 1500 to the year 1963, the word feminism is used 0.00000012% of all the words that are used.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Lily Kate]

And so virtually, feminism as a concept didn't actually exist in common society whatsoever until the year 1963 and 1964. And then if you elongate that search, you'll see a rapid J curve that spikes straight up. Because obviously in the 1960s and when is when feminism really was adopted into Marxist principles, invented and promoted through academia. So I always ask them, I say, how can you say that feminism can take credit for something that was accomplished so many years, literally 40 years before feminism was even an idea in the common, even in the margins of society? And so I'm doing a speaking tour this upcoming spring where I go to college campuses and I say, feminism takes way too much credit. Here's the other thing that they take way too much credit for getting women into the workforce. You know, second wave feminism is all about women's equal access to the workforce. Well, In World War II, 40% of women were already in the workforce. Not because of feminists and not because of their efforts to have women achieve workforce equality. It was because wartime efforts required female participation in the workforce so they could keep the economy going at all. That's, of course, Rosie the Riveter. That's what that whole government campaign was for. And so people believe, and feminism retroactively takes so much credit for things that other movements and other forces have Actually accomplished. So that's really what I've been fighting a lot recently.

[Podcast Host]

So it's kind of hijacked stories and made it seem like it helped, but it didn't.

[Lily Kate]

Yes, it rewrites history because, I mean, obviously we all think, great, great, women can vote. Awesome, cool. That's objectively probably a good thing for society. A lot of people on the right might vehemently disagree with me, of course, but, you know, I think people. People should all be able to have access to the ballot box. Of course. But again, feminism can't take credit for that, even though they agree with it. They can totally agree with something, but I don't think it's right for them to take credit.

[Podcast Host]

Have you had any debates with feminists?

[Lily Kate]

Not yet. About this topic. Because I've only just recently started, like, uncovering the fact that conservative, like, even college students, I go to Turning Point events, and I speak at a lot of college campuses, and conservatives are like, well, I still want women to be able to vote. And I say, what does that have to do with feminism at all? And then, you know, I'm able to talk to them about this. So I'm getting a speaking series together to bring this idea to college campuses and prove it to them so they don't fall for the. The brainwashing that feminism.

[Podcast Host]

It is interesting how people just link the two, like, so quickly.

[Lily Kate]

Well, it's. They link them because what suffrage claimed to serve was women, and what feminism claims to serve is also women. And so, to me, the conflation makes sense. And also, so much of feminist messaging boils down to, oh, so you don't want women to vote if you're not a feminist. Like, they claimed that. They claim that they own women. And I'm vehemently opposed to any movement that thinks it owns me just because I'm a woman, first of all. But, you know, once you find out that they take way too much credit for everything, you know, becomes less serious.

[Podcast Host]

Speaking of movements, what about the trad wife movement?

[Lily Kate]

Great question. So the other speaking tour that I'm doing, I let college campuses choose, is I think both the right and the left have actually got femininity wrong. There's a lot of ways we could go with this. One time, I was talking to Michael knowles back in 2023, and I said, michael, what is femininity? And he, in his poetic nature, said, it's sugar, spice, and everything nice. And I appreciated that because I was expecting him to give me a checklist of all the things a woman should do around the house, how she should look, how she should operate. But he didn't. And that really reminded me that femininity is not a costume. And so trad wives are dressing up as feminine women, and they look great doing it. And I'm sure a lot of the messaging is very, very exciting to a lot of women. And Sourdough's great and all of that. Yeah, all of that's fantastic. But we have on the right, reduced femininity again to a costume. The radical left says, brightly colored makeup and a huge ball gown. That's what femininity is. Even if you're a dude and you put that on like a drag queen, then you're feminine. The right says, well, actually you have to be a woman to do it. But a sundress and shower, dough and chip and Joanna Gaines looking house and 10 kids, that's femininity, but it's just not true. So I'm sure you've heard of the fruits of the spirit, right?

[Podcast Host]

Fruits of spirit.

[Lily Kate]

Fruits of the spirit are a bib. It's a biblical concept that you can find in Galatians 5, 22 and 23. And it is the list of the fruits of the spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, genitals, and self control. And, you know, those are things that are an outpouring of a good serving Christian person. And so when I go to these college campuses, I tell, you know, because they're high school students, they're college students, they're not necessarily. They're thinking about relationships, but they're not getting married. Usually they don't have children yet in an ideal circumstance, they're still working on finding their own identities and actualizing themselves, which they should be. And so femininity, you know, the end, the expression of it is often this, this far off goal that so many young women look at, and they're like, well, I'll be feminine once I have all these different things. But I tell them, I say, okay, so you're a woman, right? Your biology is. Is female, right? Great. And then if you choose to express the fruits of the spirit because of who you are biologically, you will be the most feminine version of yourself. Then I say the same thing for the guys. I say, same set of attributes, same fruits of the spirit. If you express those as a man, you will be the most masculine version of yourself. So I free them up. I tell them, you don't have to wait till you have a house or the car you want or the CEO job title, or until you have, you know, you've cut a certain amount of weight that you're super jacked. Like, you don't have to wait for those things to be a masculine man or a feminine woman. You can actually start right now because it's so much more of a posture of your heart and it's so much more linked to your biology, actually, than people like to say. And your expression, your relation to other people will be more feminine, respectively, or more masculine and if you express the fruits of the spirit. So I think the conservatives have often wanted femininity and masculinity to be boiled down to a set of attributes and then into a costume, which is no different than what the left is doing.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, Yeah. I don't know if the, the trad wife stuff works. There's new data on it.

[Lily Kate]

What's the data?

[Podcast Host]

Stay at home mothers cheats more than any other job occupation.

[Lily Kate]

Would those single, like, or, sorry, stay at home mothers be the types that are also trad wives?

[Podcast Host]

Because I guess it depends what you mean by tradwives.

[Lily Kate]

I think of trad wives as the content creator branch of the mom movement.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. I think of them as mothers that stay at home and don't have like a 9 to 5 job.

[Lily Kate]

Got it. Okay.

[Podcast Host]

So maybe we differ on that a little bit.

[Lily Kate]

I mean, I'm probably a little bit more chronically online about it because that's where I, you know, operate and stuff. But so the. They're saying that stay at home moms

[Podcast Host]

cheat more often than other job occupations. Yeah.

[Lily Kate]

Do you think that's because of like just cultural trends or what do you think that's from?

[Podcast Host]

I think the guys are just not giving them attention, honestly, you know.

[Lily Kate]

Well, the currency of women is attention.

[Podcast Host]

That's.

[Lily Kate]

Yes. The quicker that men can actually understand that and give their wives. And the thing is too, like, women are. They can be pretty high maintenance, for sure. And it should be a goal to find a not very high maintenance woman and marry her, you know, but the maintenance is in the attention. Right. And some women are materialistic and you can weed those out pretty quickly. But, you know, the maintenance is in the attention. If you give her five minutes of intentionality on your day before work and then as soon as you come home, like, that will go a long way. Even just that intentionality.

[Podcast Host]

Could I realize. Yeah. Quickly in my marriage that like me just texting her every couple hours when I'm at the office means more to her than me, like buying her a gift? Yeah. I mean, everyone has their different love. Hers is Attention. Yeah, whatever that one is.

[Lily Kate]

The quality time.

[Podcast Host]

Quality time, yeah.

[Lily Kate]

Words of affirmation.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, Those two, right? Yeah, for sure.

[Lily Kate]

It's a beautiful thing. Like women. Women operate best when they are being poured into. And that sounds so selfish, but think of it like the sun and the moon, right? The sun is there to reflect and then the moon or to shed light, and then the moon reflects what the sun is reflecting onto it. And women are built to receive. And then because of our nurturing nature, people say, oh, you're just more nurturing because you're a woman. No, she's more nurturing because she has nurture coming in and it naturally flows out of her. That's what the feminine does. And it's so beautiful. But if she's not having any of that, input anything downloaded into her from the men that she wants that validation or approval from, which is not a bad thing, then you know, she's not going to be able to output.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, you're good.

[Lily Kate]

Oh my gosh.

[Podcast Host]

Loose.

[Lily Kate]

Yeah. She will not be able to output a good amount of nurture and she will feel that unsatisfaction. And unfortunately, like I said, the currency of women is attention.

[Podcast Host]

It is. Guys, take notes.

[Lily Kate]

I'll find a low maintenance wallet.

[Podcast Host]

Where would you rank your maintenance levels?

[Lily Kate]

Sorry?

[Podcast Host]

Where would you rank your maintenance levels? High or low? High.

[Lily Kate]

A need for attention, but a very, very low need for materialistic stuff.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Lily Kate]

I very much don't care about that kind of stuff at all. At all. Like, I want you to be able to protect and provide. Those are like the basics for sure. But I don't need stuff. I don't need gifts. I don't need diamonds. I just want. I just want good conversation. And I want to know that, you know, if I were to bring something to you, you would. I would be able to push up against you and you wouldn't fold over immediately.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Lily Kate]

But I'm also. I was a speech and debate person. I'm also, you know, I love debating, I love speaking. So I'm able to more. More than other women, probably separate ideas from people.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Lily Kate]

Because I'm not a yell. I don't descend into anger very quickly. I don't yell. I don't do all those things. Um, but you know, I love discussion. So the more I can discuss with my person, the better everything.

[Podcast Host]

So you actually don't raise your voice in disagreements? That's impressive.

[Lily Kate]

No, Cause I mean, it literally helps nothing. It actually riles you up more.

[Podcast Host]

It's like so hard to fight sometimes. Like I work on it actively, but sometimes I'll just do it without even noticing. You know, I'll raise my voice a little bit.

[Lily Kate]

Yeah. And the problem is it's just not productive. It doesn't get you anywhere. And I mean, it's accurate if you need to take some time to cool off. And that's totally valid. Like you should do that. I think in those moments though, advocating for your needs, hey, I need 30 minutes or I need six hours or I need to talk about this with you tomorrow. Setting those parameters and communicating that to your partner will help them not spiral, which is a big thing. Advocating for yourself in those moments is also tremendously difficult. It takes a lot of self reflection. But I found that a walk sleeping it off. You know, the Christians always say, don't go to bed angry. And it's like, well, actually sometimes you can go to bed angry and then you'll wake up the next morning and realize it was so silly but you were angry about. And it's actually not even a hill worth dying on anymore. And so, you know, whatever works for your relationship, whatever works for your marriage, for conflict resolution is great. I just think more communication is always better and raising voices never, ever, ever helps.

[Podcast Host]

Two more movements. I want to get your.

[Lily Kate]

Let's do it.

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Quince.comtsh. We'll go crazier and crazier, but we'll start off with red pill movement. It's like the counter to feminism, right? Pretty familiar with that.

[Lily Kate]

Yeah. Yeah. It's a reaction to feminism, which can't blame them. Feminism campaigns actively against men and against masculinity because there are four different. Feminism is actually based off of a four way contradiction. And they all view women and men differently. But the supremacist feminists of the four have literally caused the red pill movement. And the problem is like, we actually need men. I know it's not a very novel point to say, but they're creating a more difficult society to where men are like, all right, you want to compete against us, great, let's do it. Let's see who wins. And women are naturally going to fall behind. So I think feminism is to blame for red pill. And you're seeing the destruction of that because now you're seeing a flood of articles. I'm 63 and alone. Where are all the good men? Man, feminism hasn't delivered the things that I've wanted it to. I want to get married and have a kid, but it's too late. All the good men are taken. And you're seeing a generation of women who, it's so tragic, are seeing the consequences of women, what they've done, what they've believed in, what they've pushed. And you know, every woman, no matter how feminist or not feminist, is looking for love. She's looking to be married, she's looking to be, you know, given that honorable position of being a wife. And feminism actively pushes against women able to do that, being able to do that. And that's tremendously, tremendously sad. So, but it's their own fault really. And I can't no one else to blame but them. Because if you're going to continually tell men that they're the worst, then they're going to go create their own movement, their own spaces. And, and then women of course will naturally come in and take over. Like you're seeing with gaming, for example. Now there's female gamers everywhere and the guys are like, could we just have one industry? That's actually something I always tell young women who are getting into relationships. I always tell them, don't co opt all the time that your boyfriend or whoever has let him hang out with his friends, Let him be with his friends and don't say you hung out with them for five hours. So you have to hang out with me for six. You will always be there to welcome him in. You want to make him come to you, right? Let him have his time with his friends because he needs that so much more than you need time with him right now. It's so important. And you know, because I dated Someone for a long time who his security and what he loved were his friends. And I loved that for him. We were able to work through that. And I was able to say, I know that you need this and you value this, and this is so good for you that whenever you're ready and you're done, I will be waiting here, probably have cooked dinner and with a big hug. And I want to hear about every detail of everything because I loved him and I loved his friends for him, and I wanted to encourage him in that. So Erica Kirk said something really beautiful when she was reflecting on her relationship with Charlie. He was often a little bit sad that he had to work long hours. And she said, you know what? Home will always be here. And I want to encourage young women with that and say, even when you're with your boyfriend and you're not living together, you shouldn't be living together. But if you're not living together, but you're always trying to figure out more time with him and you're trying to bring him in, but you're frustrated at him and you're trying to, you know, guys need to have guy time. Say, I will always be here. Right? If you're in it for the long game, I will always be here. I want you to go out and have this guy time, because guess what? It will make him want to spend time with you. It will make him want to spend time with you, and it'll be wonderful. And you will also hold on to less anger and resentment if you just let him go into that.

[Podcast Host]

Thank you for saying that. Because a lot of women and men will get jealous if their significant other leaves the house for a long time.

[Lily Kate]

Then you mess up the whole dynamic of the guys group. If one guy has the girlfriend, they're like, I'm all for everyone bringing their couples doing couple hangouts. That's great. But if it's supposed to be guy time and the girls there, it's the entire dynamic the same thing. When it's supposed to be all girls and the guys there, it's like, well, now you've put one person, the partner, in an awkward situation where they have to serve the group and. And also had to serve the needs of their partner. And it just changes the whole entire dynamic for sure.

[Podcast Host]

Last movement. I want to see what you say about this one. The incel movement. That's a hot one these days.

[Lily Kate]

Well, have you heard of femcels, too?

[Podcast Host]

I haven't.

[Lily Kate]

Femcels are basically the female version of incels.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. They're choosing Females that are choosing not to have sex.

[Lily Kate]

Correct. It's not a very serious movement. It really doesn't have that much clause. It's more of a reaction to whenever a man they don't like gets elected into political office. You saw a big spike of it right after the recent election of Trump. Yeah, but again, it is just a reaction to feminism. If you are going to demonize men for decades and decades and decades, invalidate them, say that they're trash, and then also say that women are equal to men. That's the thing I never understand about feminism. Men are trash, but women are equal to men.

[Podcast Host]

That's ended feminism right there, Gord.

[Lily Kate]

Yeah. Doesn't make any sense. But the incel movement is also just a, I think, frankly, a more immature reaction to it. They say, well, if you're not going to have us, you know, in your spaces, if you're not going to accept us as men, then we'll just completely live life without you. And I think sexual desire is something that is very, very healthy. And marriage, as the Bible has created, is a way to civilize lust and to kind of curb it and give it an institution to be let out in, which is a beautiful thing. And so anyone who is any movement that is trying to take you away from marriage or institutions that civilize humans, then that's a movement that is not, not going to have any good fruit. Whether it's feminism or the incel movement or red pill or trad wife movement

[Podcast Outro]

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[Podcast Host]

It's very interesting. As a guy, you get critic have a low body count and also high. Not as much. But like Nick Fuentes, for example, when he went on Pierce, he was roasting him for having a zero body count. I always felt ashamed as a guy not having slept around growing up.

[Lily Kate]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

It's really interesting, right? The girls. It's the opposite.

[Lily Kate]

Totally the opposite. Yeah. But it's also. It's funny because that's actually feminist messaging, because their entire sexual revolution narrative is built on the idea that men and women relate to sexual. That men and women should relate to sex in the same way. Obviously we don't, but they say all these promiscuous men are going out and having all this sex, all these women getting all these body counts, and women should. Should do that. And so it's just really weird that now men are so praised for having a high body count because it was like that the sexual revolution was kind of a. An angle getting to that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Lily Kate]

Which is like pointing that out is never been something good. And then, of course, the biggest winners of the sexual revolution are the promiscuous men, because now sex is a lot more cheap, and it makes people. It makes dating a lot harder for people like me. Right. Who have to compete with.

[Podcast Host]

I quite frankly, like, felt like a loser growing up, like, just not having a high body count or slept with anyone. But I hope.

[Lily Kate]

But feminism created that. The praise of that archetype because they seek to compete.

[Podcast Host]

I could see that.

[Lily Kate]

Right?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Lily Kate]

So when they say that, that's what's happening. And women should compete with men in every aspect, they're idolizing the promiscuous male.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Now I'm proud of it, though, to be honest.

[Lily Kate]

Absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

Like, I've only been with one woman. I'm proud of that.

[Lily Kate]

Awesome. So countercultural.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I know, right? But I feel like that's a flex these days.

[Lily Kate]

It totally is. Yes, it completely is. Because now you are bonded with her and will bond with nobody else. And your bonding chemicals literally will like fire in different ways. And no wonder women are so broken. And then more. More badly seek attention. It's the brokenness. It's the boundarylessness. It's all of those things. Bad decisions, as C.S. lewis talks about often in his writings, compound Good decisions also compound. But, yeah, there's a lot of.

[Podcast Host]

And now they're doing all the studies on birth control, how it's attracting women to guys they don't actually like.

[Lily Kate]

Yes. Too many times it's been, she's on birth control in the relationship, and then she's off birth control, and she loses all attraction to him. And so crazy.

[Podcast Host]

I can't believe the Maya could be hijacked like that.

[Lily Kate]

I know. Why it's absolutely wild.

[Podcast Host]

Did you go through that or, like, were you ever on the pill?

[Lily Kate]

No, my dermatologist tried to put me on it for my very.

[Podcast Host]

Ologist.

[Lily Kate]

Very. Yes. So if you go get acne medication or acne treatment.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Lily Kate]

There are certain medications that they will require you. If they prescribe a medication to you, they require you to also be on birth control. Yeah. And so crazy. Of course, my mom was sitting in there. I was like, 15, and I just wanted, like, a little. Little antibiotic. Right. And so anyway, this doctor lady comes in, and she's like, well, we can put you on this most extreme acne medication. We'll also have to put you on birth control. And I was like, I never even heard of it. I was like, 15. And my mom was like, absolutely not.

[Podcast Host]

She knew.

[Lily Kate]

Oh, she knew because. Well, and the big thing was, I was a dancer at the time, and the only women we'd seen go on birth control gained 30 pounds in six months because their hormones were all out of whack and their body was holding on to so much more chemicals and so much. It was just confused. It was all swollen. And so my mom was like, honestly, that's not something we're willing to do because of the potential weight gain. And the doctor yelled at my mom. She said, how dare you talk about weight and fatness in front of your daughter?

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy.

[Lily Kate]

And I was like. I was like, ma', am, I'm a dancer. Like, I actually don't want to be fat.

[Podcast Host]

It matters, too.

[Lily Kate]

And not saying that birth control would have made me fat, because then the doctor lady said. She said, well, I'm on birth control. And she was very skinny, and I'm skinny. And my mom was like, that is not something that a doctor should ever say. And a doctor should never yell and shame a mom for trying to protect her own daughter. Like, insane.

[Podcast Host]

Unreal. Yeah. I was on Accutane growing up. Was that the one they were trying to.

[Lily Kate]

Exactly it.

[Podcast Host]

Worst seven months of my life, honestly.

[Lily Kate]

Yeah. It's brutal.

[Podcast Host]

Destroys you. I had liver issues for years after. Yeah. Oh, my God. I just got it fixed, like, a year ago.

[Lily Kate]

No kidding. Well, I'm glad you got it fixed because the liver is the only organ that regenerates.

[Podcast Host]

I know. I thought it could have been from alcohol, too, but I think it was mainly that. Yeah, they had to test your blood every month just to make sure you aren't dying.

[Lily Kate]

That's crazy. But, yeah. No, I mean, genuinely, if you get pregnant and you're on Accutane, your baby will likely have deformities and abnormalities, and so that's the precaution that dermatologists take. That's why they put girls on birth control, because they need to prevent pregnancy at all costs.

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy.

[Lily Kate]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Well, Lily, where can people pre order your book and keep up with you?

[Lily Kate]

Oh, my God. Yeah, well, we haven't had a date yet for the book. Oh, let me show you the COVID

[Podcast Host]

Oh, yeah, show me the COVID Get my genuine reaction to this cover. Covers are important.

[Lily Kate]

It's such a meme. Are you ready?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Oh, my God. Did you make this with AI? This is actually really good.

[Lily Kate]

Designed it.

[Podcast Host]

This is gonna stop people. What are these tattoos about? Okay, I don't want to spoil too much. No, this is great.

[Lily Kate]

You love it. Yeah, it'll. It'll be eye catching. I want people to see it and then not be able to unsee it.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I don't think I'll be able to if I see that image.

[Lily Kate]

Like, you're gonna know.

[Podcast Host]

Think about you now.

[Lily Kate]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So that's smart.

[Lily Kate]

You can find me on instagram at its lilykate.l I l Y K A T E. The proper way to spell Lily. And be looking out for more to come.

[Podcast Host]

Next time you see her, she'll be debating a feminist on my show.

[Lily Kate]

Love it. Thank you so much. This is awesome.

[Podcast Outro]

I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm.

[Podcast Host]

Thank you.