Digital Social Hour - Episode DSH #1722

Guest: Morgue
Host: Sean Kelly
Title: Morgue: The Hidden Side of Consciousness Nobody Explains
Date: December 30, 2025

Episode Overview

This episode features Morgue—a performer, philosopher, and self-described disseminator of “hidden knowledge”—in a wide-ranging, unfiltered conversation with host Sean Kelly. They explore Morgue’s journey away from Christianity into the study of esoteric traditions, quantum mechanics, and the fundamental nature of consciousness. The dialogue covers ancient Gnostic texts, the psychological and mathematical nature of reality, dream symbolism, magic and ritual, the pitfalls of institutionalized religion and education, as well as Morgue’s viral mission to awaken higher consciousness worldwide. The show flows candidly, with Morgue connecting ancient wisdom to modern scientific concepts, and discussing the role of personal responsibility in spiritual awakening.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

Morgue’s Mission: Making Higher Consciousness Viral

• Morgue’s goal is to “wake the world the hell up” by making secret/ancient knowledge publicly accessible and understood.

  “One of the main things that I’m trying to do is make higher consciousness go viral.” — Morgue (00:00)

• He considers the popularity of his platforms (700k+ on YouTube, 1.8M on Facebook) as evidence of the masses searching for deeper meaning.

  “It’s growing really fast. I mean, the whole idea here is to make hidden knowledge and enlightenment go viral.” — Morgue (00:49)

Personal Journey: From Christianity to Self-Transformation

• Early doubts about Christianity: At age 13, Morgue began questioning his faith due to biblical atrocities and contradictions.

  “There’s all of these inconsistencies that don’t square away with a supposedly all loving God... that’s what really started to get me questioning.” — Morgue (01:41)

• Transitioned from Christianity towards “an atheistic agnostic mindset,” then rediscovered non-material dimensions through quantum mechanics, philosophy, and psychedelics.

• Art and philosophy, especially figures like Nietzsche and Descartes, played crucial roles in this shift.

Gnosticism, Ancient Texts, and Heretical Knowledge

• Gnosticism as self-knowledge: Gnostic Christianity promoted becoming “a Christ” rather than worshipping Christ.

  “Gnosis means knowledge… their gospels paint a completely different picture… when you understand this information, you are no longer a Christian, you are Christ.” — Morgue (03:51)

• Core Gnostic idea: Reality emanates from a singularity/light, paralleling quantum physics concepts of matter as condensed or “frozen light.”

  “Matter is essentially frozen light whose vibration has been lowered; as such, it starts to become matter.” — Morgue (05:11)

• Gnostics cast the biblical God as an evil “shadow” being (“Yaldabaoth”), whose purpose is to keep humanity ignorant—a mythological, psychological explanation for humanity’s spiritual malaise.

  “They called him Yaldabaoth… basically means a blind fool. They were not fans of the God of the Old Testament.” — Morgue (08:26)

The Nature of Reality: Mathematics, Holograms, Consciousness

• Reality is not purely material; it is a mathematically structured mind projecting a holographic simulation, a “collective dream.”

  “Reality is a mind of light expressed as mathematics that is projecting itself holographically. It projects this dream world to understand what it is, to realize and come to the knowledge that it is God through us.” — Morgue (05:40, 06:20)

• Everything is explainable by mathematics on an objective level, but subjective experience (like love) transcends equations.

  “The actual subjective feeling, that's a completely different area of knowledge. That got more experiential.” — Morgue (07:07)

Psychological & Societal Insights

• On why people accept dogma: Most people prefer external authority to personal freedom because “with freedom comes anxiety.”

  “Most people would rather have a book or a God or some figure tell them what to do because it takes a lot of anxiety away.” — Morgue (11:17)

• Cult accusations: Morgue is often labeled as running a cult, but he counters:

  “If it is a cult, it’s a cult of reason. We're a cult that says to think for yourself. So we'd be like the worst cult ever.” — Morgue (12:41)

• Modern institutions as brainwashing: He criticizes religious indoctrination and the public school system—both designed, he argues, to produce compliant, uncritical thinkers.

  “We're all born into a cult, like the cult of culture… stories so crazy they can only get people to believe them through brainwashing.” — Morgue (11:54)
  “Just indoctrination… our school systems are basically designed not to create free thinkers, but to create soldiers, workers, and consumers.” — Morgue (37:05)

• Economic system as a trap: Modern capitalism drains people, distracting them from inner exploration.

  “We’re trapped in this rat race, unable to connect to our true selves because we're so fucking tired.” — Morgue (38:02)

Consciousness, AI, and the Soul

• AI cannot become conscious: Morgue distinguishes between physical processes and true consciousness, suggesting the latter is intrinsic to non-material “minds” or “souls.”

  “I do not believe that AI itself can become conscious because it's actually a logical impossibility. Just like a brain cannot become conscious.” — Morgue (16:17)

• Reincarnation and immortal souls: Morgue defends the logical necessity of ongoing existence, likening the soul to patterns of energy or mathematical frequencies that constantly transform and evolve, like “a Rubik's cube trying to solve itself.”

  “Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed… we are as eternal souls, systems of energy that are constantly transforming and evolving.” — Morgue (18:50)

Multiverse Theory, Dimensions, and Evolution

• Skeptical of multiverse theory: Views mainstream scientific interpretations as attempts to avoid deeper metaphysical implications of quantum mechanics.

  “Scientists try and propose multiverse theory… because quantum mechanics says reality is not physical, but mainstream science does not like that.” — Morgue (20:50)

• Believes in the existence of other dimensions, not infinite parallel universes, and posits a purposeful, teleological evolution towards higher forms of existence and consciousness.

  “I believe we evolve beyond this [humankind]… form a network able from its frequency to generate its own dimension, its own reality.” — Morgue (24:07)

Psychedelics, Dreams, and the Subconscious

• Distinguishes between simply experiencing phenomena through psychedelics and actually understanding their metaphysical structures through study and logic.

  “The psychedelics definitely allowed me to experience that, but the studying is what allowed me to understand what it really said.” — Morgue (24:34)

• Dream analysis is fundamental—drawing heavily from Carl Jung—who was inspired by Gnostic mythology and saw myths as projections of the collective psyche.

  “You can essentially study these ancient mythologies the same way you would do dream analysis.” — Morgue (27:50)

Magic, Ritual, and the Occult

• Ritual as psychological technology: Magic and occult rituals work by engaging and programming the unconscious/subconscious through symbolism—not literally invoking external beings.

  “What you're essentially doing is powerful psychology. The unconscious mind doesn't communicate with language. It communicates through symbolism.” — Morgue (41:23)

• Demons and archetypes: In magic, demons and angels are symbolic stand-ins for aspects or complexes within the psyche (mirrored by modern modalities like Internal Family Systems therapy).

  “These demonic symbols or demons aren't actually demons. They're archetypes in the mind that you can use to access those [parts of yourself].” — Morgue (44:05)
  “Modern psychology is doing demonic invocation without even knowing it. It's the same thing.” — Morgue (45:49)

• Negative connotations for demons mainly stem from Christianity, which took a hostile stance toward any spiritual symbols outside its own narrow pantheon.

  “Christianity really started to take control and see anything that wasn't part of the monotheistic God as evil.” — Morgue (44:10)

Secret Societies, Mystery Schools, and Suppressed Knowledge

• Secret societies once kept knowledge hidden out of necessity, but secrecy today is mostly “elitism bullshit.”

  “Today it’s just elitism bullshit. Like, it doesn’t need to be that way.” — Morgue (48:10)

• Supports publicizing esoteric wisdom: “If you are truly someone who's involved with secrets, your job is to tell everyone the secret… But only certain people are going to really hear what it is that you're saying.” — Morgue (48:18)

• Mystery schools and societies, from the Pythagoreans to Kabbalah, used mathematical and symbolic systems as maps of the psyche—a recurring motif across many cultures and traditions.

  “Reality stems from a mind that is expressing itself in different modalities.” — Morgue (52:50)

Memorable Quotes & Notable Moments

1. On the Purpose of His Content (00:00, 29:15)

"One of the main things that I'm trying to do is make higher consciousness go viral… what I'm essentially doing is making this ancient knowledge that the church literally killed to keep secret go viral and reach millions." — Morgue

2. On Cognitive Freedom (12:41)

"If it is a cult, it's a cult of reason. We're a cult that says to think for yourself. So we'd be like the worst cult ever." — Morgue

3. On Reality’s Nature (06:20)

"Reality is a mind of light expressed as mathematics that is projecting itself holographically... a mind that is self organizing itself to understand itself better." — Morgue

4. On Religious Trauma (32:30)

"It's actually known as Religious Trauma Syndrome, which can mimic the effects of PTSD and CPTSD. Extremely damaging… to teach a child that they are fundamentally dirty rotten sinners and they're going to literally burn for eternity." — Morgue

5. On Magic and Psychology (41:23, 44:05)

"What you're essentially doing is powerful psychology. The unconscious mind doesn't communicate with language. It communicates through symbolism… these demonic symbols or demons aren't actually demons. They're archetypes in the mind."

Notable Timestamps

• [00:00] — Morgue’s Mission: Spreading higher consciousness
• [01:41] — Leaving Christianity, the early questioning
• [03:51] — Gnosticism and ancient secret knowledge
• [06:20] — Reality as mathematics and holography
• [08:26] — The Gnostic take: an “evil God” and metaphysical enslavement
• [12:41] — Addressing “cult” accusations
• [14:08] — Bridging psychology, philosophy, mathematics, and the occult
• [16:17] — Consciousness, AI, and the impossibility of machine self-awareness
• [18:50] — The logic of reincarnation and souls as energy systems
• [20:50] — Critique of multiverse theory
• [24:34] — Psychedelics, subjective experience, and rational understanding
• [27:50] — Gnosticism, Carl Jung, and dream analysis
• [32:30] — Psychological impacts of religious trauma
• [37:05] — Problems with traditional schooling systems
• [44:05] — Magic, ritual, and demonic archetypes
• [48:18] — The real “secret” of secret societies
• [52:50] — Mystery schools, Pythagoras, Kabbalah, and the mathematics of reality

Final Segment: Sword Swallowing as Symbolism

• Morgue demonstrates sword swallowing as a live expression of philosophical transformation—the destruction of the old self and creation of the new.

  “My stunt work is an expression of my philosophy, so I swallow swords to represent, like, the destruction of the old self and the creation of the new self.” — Morgue (36:16)

Conclusion

This episode presents a deep, passionate, and integrative conversation where Morgue challenges religious, scientific, and educational dogmas—advocating for a paradigm that unites the rational, the mathematical, the mystical, the psychological, and the symbolic. He encourages listeners to think for themselves, question inherited narratives, deeply analyze their dreams and experiences, and ultimately discover their own divinity. The conversation is dense with references and practical examples, making ancient knowledge lucid and relevant for a modern audience.