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NEVER Do This: Top Sports Bettor Exposes Industry Lies | Tyson Nguyen DSH #1023
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NEVER Do This: Top Sports Bettor Exposes Industry Lies 🚫💰 Tune in now as we sit down with Tyson, one of the hottest sports bettors in the game! 🔥 At just 19, he's shaking up the industry and revealing shocking truths you won't hear anywhere else.
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You're the only Asian dropout I know from high school.
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Really? Yeah, because you don't have the strength. Once junior year hit, I had built a business before that I sat down with my mom before I even started talking, bro. Just to grab her like, hey mom, can we talk? Crying everywhere, bro. Like, I swear the anxiety and stress you get just from telling your parents that you don't want to go to college is unreal. She's always been so supportive of me, but for some reason with culture in college, it's so different foreign.
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B
Here with Tyson, one of the hottest sports bettors right now there. Thanks for coming on first podcast as well.
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A
Yeah, it is super excited though, but got a little butterflies and stuff. So. But we're chilling. We're chilling.
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B
You're chilling, bro. And you're 19 in the sports betting space.
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A
Yeah, I'm 19. Which people kind of get confused because they're like how can you sports it when you're 19? But prize picks, chalkboard and stuff is like 18. At least when I first started they. You could be 18. Now it's 19.
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B
So I feel like they lowered it because I thought it was 21, but maybe it's always been that.
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Yeah, it actually has. It's 21 for like traditional books like DraftKings, FanDuel, but prize picks, I guess they want to hit everyone. So they. They're 18 and up now or 19 and up now. So yeah, so pretty much the second year illegal adult. You could become a degenerate.
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B
Yeah. And you've Been able to figure it out fast because I feel like most people don't get good at sports betting until they're way older.
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A
Yeah, that's. That's honestly mainly because I've been sportsman since I was a little kid. Like, they. There's pictures of me, like, five years old, playing poker with my family.
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B
Like, wow.
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A
With, like, my Christmas money, birthday money, 20 bucks, 40 bucks, whatever it is I'm gambling, like, that's just always been. It's like an addiction. Right. So I've always been used to. I've been exposed to gambling a lot, so I know, like, the exact mentality of it. Like, anytime I go on social media or going live or whatever, I'm like, I know you're thinking right now, you're gonna do this, you're gonna do this. And they're like, how the. I'm like, dude. Because every gambler generally thinks the same.
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B
Yeah.
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But that's why also, I'm like, the books know this shit. They know what you want. Now, why do you think their ads and stuff hit hella hard and the second you're on that platform, you lose it all?
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B
Yeah.
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That's why I always try to get people to, like, you know, lock in and then, like, just be a lot better. And then they end up. They, like, no matter what, if you have good strategies, you will win more. You might not win just in general because gambling is harder, but you will win more. That's like, almost a guarantee.
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B
Yeah. That's interesting. So you grew up around gambling, though. You said you were playing poker at five?
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Yes, bro. Like, so there's a scene called Chinese New Year's. So, like, we'll gamble and it's like a whole week. At least in my family, it's a whole week of gambling, like poker, a bunch of different games and stuff like that. And you're just. I was exposed to gambling at, like, actually more like four or five years old. But, like, when I gained consciousness at five or six years old, I was like, gambling, and it was like, the second Chinese New Year's ended. All I'm talking about is like, okay, when's the next Chinese New Year's? Because it's, you know, the moon calendar, the lunar calendar.
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B
Yeah.
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So it's like, when is it going to be? Because on Chinese New Year's, you get like, 10, 20 bucks from your family as a gift. You throw that all back in gambling. So I learned poker, like, Chinese poker really early on. Like, I was competing with, like, my adults, like my uncles, like my mom My dad, whatever. On the same level as them with poker. So growing up around sports betting, I was always used to that like mentality of any type of bet.
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B
Wow. So they taught you at a young age.
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Yeah, it's pretty bad. But it's good. Like I'm thankful for it. It's pretty bad like that. My parents are. That's just the culture with Asian culture. A lot of, a lot of other cultures have it too. But I think I just took off with it because a lot of people could probably resonate with this. Like they always have at least one or two family members with gambling addictions, right? Like oh, my uncle or aunt lost all their money to gambling. So like I had those people too. So I always knew what to look for and what not to do. Like the biggest skill you can have is learn from other people's mistakes. Like you don't have to necessarily make the mistakes yourself, you know. So that's pretty much how it all started. Like.
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B
Yeah.
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A
As a youngin.
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B
So that being said, did you ever lose anything? Lose everything?
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Oh, growing up. Oh hell yeah. Hella times. Like some this one New Year's I was down like 200 bucks. And as a five year old or I was probably like seven or eight as a five year old, 200 bucks is like. I felt like I lost the lottery. I felt like I won the lottery. Like 200 was a lot at that time. But I lost it all. And my uncle, he tried to teach me a lesson. So he, he, he won my money, right? Because I was like full degenerate. I was like, oh, I lost 20 bucks, give me back 50 bucks. And I kept doubling it because you know that meant, oh, if I keep doubling, eventually I'll win. I don't believe in that Martingale. Yeah, I don't believe in that shit. Like because my uncle was like, okay, I'll just keep doing this, keep doing this. And he ended up winning 200 bucks, right. It was like four bets in a row. I was stupid. And he ended up winning all my cousin's money and gave all my cousins money back.
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B
Wow, that's some database.
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And he didn't give mine back. And I was just sitting in the corner like, like well my, my life sucks. I, I just ruined all this stuff. But I wasn't mad at him. I was mad at the fact that I did stupid shit and just like kept throwing it on the board. Like why, why are you like so emotional? Right, right. So that's kind of like. But it's not like, oh, you Get a flip. The next year I was doing the same thing. So it's like it takes so many years to actually get to that point to when I hit 18. And then now I can actually be on these books and now it's different.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, so that's essentially how it all started too. Yeah.
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B
And do you feel like with sports betting you have the most control sports betting?
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At times? Yes. But with sports betting, whenever someone asks me that, it's like, oh, are there factors or you can control to a certain extent, you can't control anything because you can't control the lines, you can't control when they drop. What you can't control is what's going on up here. Right. So like most sports bettors, it's like if you do the math, so like +ev, for instance, like statistically you have an edge over the books if you find those certain props. But the thing is, is like that is assuming that you as a person can run one unit, every bet for hundreds and hundreds of bet. Realistically, no human out there can emotionally control what they're betting. So what you can control is your emotion, how many bets you place, what type of games you bet on, the sports, you bet on, all that stuff. If you can control, then you have way more of an advantage compared to you last week. And then you have to just take what the books give you. Right. Because we can't do anything about that. Yeah, you can run more promos. Like some books will have no limit promos. Like Chalkboard, one of my books that I run. It's like they'll give you a discounted prop and they won't put a limit on it. Most books will put like a $10 limit because why would they give you an edge? But Chalkboard, no limit. I'll throw two grand on that, cash out for five grand. And it's like you have the highest odds of hitting. So you have to be really selective about things. And like the things that you can control is not gambling every day. Like, you don't need to be gambling every single day. A lot of people, they're just full degenerate mode. Right. Which is fine. We all like to have fun. But at the same time, if you're going full degenerate mode and at the end of the day you lose, don't tweak out because you're going to do the same thing, full degenerate mode. Right. So you have to try and get out of that cycle in that loop. So when the things that I try and control Is just my mental state. So if I lose, I truly kind of act like it's paper trading. Because if you act like you're sitting there, oh, fuck, I just lost rent money. I just lost this. I'll bet two, five, ten grand a bet. Each. Each. Each slip.
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B
Yeah.
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And that's just, that's just how it is. Because I think of it more as like units and slips. So if I'm down six grand, right? And my units are two grand, I'm down three units. Three units. You could win that back by winning one slip. Like one and a half slips, whatever. But, like, it's not that serious how I like to think of it. The people who lose the most are the ones that take it so serious. Like, it's okay to take it serious because, you know, it's money. Like we, we work hard for that money, but at the same time, you worked hard for that money. Why are you being stupid with it? Right? Think of the logic. So it's like if you're going to like, it's like it's not the lottery where you're just putting in random numbers. It's like you can make calculated decisions. You may have a slight less edge, but you still are in control of that.
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B
Absolutely.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So when did the discord start? Because you have the biggest discord in the sports betting space, right?
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A
Yeah. So we have 120,000 members. We're gaining like 10, 20,000 members a week right now.
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B
Crazy.
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A
We kind of plateaued during mlb because. Movies. Mlb, but yeah, NFL, NBA, we're on a hot streak. But the discord started really when I turned 18. So I was sports betting for years, right? I don't know. But I would use my family's books and stuff, like get on, you know, user IDs and stuff. But like, I would always be on those books. I was always gambling. But once I turned 18, now I can publicly say I'm gambling, right? So I created the Discord because I, when I first started, like, actually was like, all right, I'm low key, addicted to sports betting. It's kind of hard to stop. How do I become good at it? I took a bunch of money that I had from, like, prior businesses and just working because I used to be a waiter too, at a restaurant. I had 10 grand. Well, actually I like 20 grand. But I took 10 grand, put that in my Price Picks account. I blew it all. I lost it all. Like, everything gone.
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B
Dan. How long?
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A
Like in a week.
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B
Damn.
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But that's how, that's how like degenerate degeneracy works. Like when you lose once, you go full throttle and full throttle. It's like when you're in that position, that's always tell people, like, I know, I know because shit, that was me. So when I first started Secured Pics, right, that's the name of my discord, it was really to like, help people because I had joined a bunch of other communities as I was coming up, like, as I was trying to get better. But back then it was over two years ago, so there wasn't that many communities. And if there were, they were pretty ass. Like the people at the top were either of two things. They were profitable, but their group was just terrible. And they weren't profitable, which is the majority. Most people don't actually profit and their group is just terrible for like, a lot of the times they don't tell you why they like a bet. They don't tell you how much to place a bet. They don't even place a bet with you. They'll crop out how much they put on a slip. It's like, if you want me to put $1,000 on a slip, you want to show me how much you put. So I started my community because I saw from a business side of things, I saw that I could turn this into a business to help people, obviously, because the more value I provide, the more money I make. And as on an actual helping side. So when I started Secured Picks, the reason why we blew up is because I was just going on TikTok and Instagram every day saying, guys, Prize Picks wants you to do this. These books want you to do this, do this. And everyone's like, holy shit. That helped. That helped. Doing this, help, doing this, help. And then like, people I meet in real life, right, all the time, I get recognized, they immediately go, do you help me out so much? Even if we're red that week, like, because, you know, cold streaks, very normal. I'll get nervous. I'm like, damn, I hope people don't get, like, upset me for like losing. But they always say, do your strategies help me no matter what? Even if you, you know, you get unlucky that week, your strategies help me. So when I first started Secure Picks, we just, we. We blew up to the moon. Like, the first day I launched, like, I swear the first day, like, made the Discord live, we gained 8,000 members.
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B
Wow.
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Because my TikTok video went viral of a free play. I dropped a free NBA play, and then I dropped another one the next day, and they both hit easily. Which is also comes into luck too. Like I also lowkey got blessed on that. Right? So 8,000 people join. They tailed it all and they were like, dude, cash. Right? And then throughout the months I was just putting in more strategies, refining my own strategies as well, building a team. And as I'm making more money from sports betting and the discord itself, I'm reinvesting that in same way any business would. Like you're going to make money, reinvest it. So I hired strategists, like the best strategists. The best. Like just people to really help guide me. Yeah, helped my sports betting. And then now I can bring that to everyone else. Like I'm spending tens and tens of thousands of dollars on advisors. These guys get it for $15. Like that's how much my group is too. So like people always ask me like, oh you, you sell pigs just for money. It's like it's $15. Like $15 for years of strategies. The best picks of the day. We're working non stop. A team of 12 staff. My staff is 12 people, they're all on payroll. Like it's $15, bro. You know, I mean like so we're doing this for the community. Yes. By the same time we're still a business. And so like my personal sports betting journey has been crazy. Discord's been crazy. Like it's like I want to get to the point where everyone is just in this community just getting way better, you know, like we're at, we're at the point where we'll come up with strategies like oh, we'll run correlation bets. So we used to run a lot of correlation.
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B
What's a correlation bet?
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So correlation bet is like, so it's where you're betting on a team to like hand in hand help each other. Like so you're betting on the quarterback and then you're betting on the wide receiver. If the quarterback does good, the wide receiver most likely to get or let's say like there's just a correlation in the bets. Right. So we used to run a lot of that and we were printing right now the books, they flagged it. So now we can't run correlation bets on much. If you do it too much, they flag your account.
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B
Oh wow. Yeah. So they'll ban you.
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Exactly, they'll ban you, those type of things. So me personally, I have to figure out ways to help my community in general while still like making sure that it's possible. Right. So like plus ev correlation plays all these things where it's like fancy terms, but basically it's like imagine if you're playing blackjack, the dealer always has the edge. So in a sense, the player gets an edge over the books by doing all these fancy little turns, right? Yeah, so.
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B
Because these books have probably crazy algorithms to make the lines.
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Exactly. So it's like their. Their algorithms and their, like, staff and team. I don't know how they do it, but when they make these lines, they're so exact. They're like down to the yard, like 27.5 yards. Why not 28 yards? Like, like, you know what I mean? So, but the thing is, like, those players will always land right there. Like, so their goal, these books, prize picks, draftkings, whatever. Their goal is to make these lines as close as possible to like a 50, 50 bet, except edge in their favor. So that's really where you have to play off of. Right. So if you're getting a 50, 50 bet rate, logically you're going to say, run one, you don't have to run 6, 6 mans, 8 mans, like 10 leg parlays. Right. Sure, the payout looks hella good, but your odds are absolutely terrible. That's like playing. That's like playing blackjack. And you just get one card and the dealer gets to like. That's how I view sports betting. It's like anything that they give you that seems super juicy, super good. Run the fuck.
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B
So you're not a fan of parlays?
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No, I'm not. I am in a sense of like, I have to. Because prize picks, you have to do two. So I have to do two men's. But. So when I first started a bunch of people running six mans because that's how you go viral. You hit a six, man, and now everyone joins your community because they think you're Jesus. But I was the only person on the Internet saying, stop running these six, man, bro, stop. Because I was like, I didn't think it was gonna give me viral or nothing, but I was like, stop running six mans. What are they posting on the ads? 25 extra money. 25 extra money. I was like, three extra money is already a lot. Like if you put 100 bucks in the stock market or even 100k in the stock market, and you get 300k back, bro. You're going to dinner, you're celebrating at Nobu, right? So it's the same way with sports betting. It's like, just because the market is saying, oh, I took 100 to 600k, doesn't mean your $100 to $300 isn't good. So like it, it adds up over time. You're winning more rather than hitting once in like a lot, but you're not going to hit it. Like, generally I look people in their face and I go, dude, you're not hitting that, but you're not hitting that 10. Like you're not hitting that 12. Like hit the 12 leg and be happy with your money. But it's like you're one of a million probably.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So that's just how odds work. It's just calculations.
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B
Like, I love how realistic you are because a lot of people in your space are, oh my God, I get it.
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Because there's two types of sports players. There's businessmen and then there's actual sports bettors who aren't that good at business, but they hit a lot, so they get business. Right. I'm a mix of both, but I like to keep it real. I'm like, dude, it's sports betting, bro. Quibbing, quitting, stupid. I could go here, hit a six man parlay this week. I could probably do it. I could probably just add up like, I would have hit a six man yesterday if I took all my bets and put it up and be like, ah, I'm the best sportsman in the world. I took a thousand to 25K. But it's like, then they're gonna join and they're gonna be like, what the fuck? You posted 26 mans. You're not hitting. So like, realistically, I want to actually make my people money because from a sports better side of things, like, you have to hit to get these people to stay. From a business side of things, it's like imagine you're signing up to something that you think is a good service and you Pay, you pay 15 bucks, 20 bucks, whatever.
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B
Yeah.
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And it's not a good service. You're going to leave. So. So business side of things, I want these guys to stay. I get, I get like a 10 or 15% churn that's like outrageously low for sports betting.
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B
For sports betting, super low.
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A
30 to 40% churn a month. I get around 10 to 15%.
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B
That's the lowest I've heard. In your space.
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A
Yeah. That it's super low. Like, and you can fact check all this stuff with my company and stuff too. But even this week though, churn is like less than 10%.
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B
Wow.
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Because it's like, even if we lose, also the way I operate my business is, it's not just picks, it is guidance. Like, I'm Acting as their advisor. And even my team, I trained all my team one on one. Like, okay, we're red for the last two days. Third day, either don't bet or just go super light, cut your units in half or by a third and just understand what is happening with your luck. Luck is real, okay? Luck is very, very real. People run into luck by the same time. You can control your luck. If you're not betting all your money on that day. You don't have to get lucky. Just maintain, you know, just maintain. Cool it out. Wait till the games go on. Like, the first one to three weeks at NFL were just underdogs winning everywhere. So what did I tell my team? Hey, guys, let's take it slow. Let's bet more on wnba. Let's bet more on college football is. Bet more on mlb. Even though it's the beginning NFL, it's super hype. And guess what? We've been winning. We've been winning and now week four just started and we've been sweeping the board because we waited until the games are consistent now. The games are super good. The games are super good. And now props are all hitting. By the time this podcast comes out, though, it's going to be different because, like, but right now, week four, just be in. The games are very consistent. So it's like most people are hitting with their props because most props are hitting.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So it's like, just control your luck. Right? So obviously you can't time it all the time, but it's like in Blackjack, right? They say when you're. When you're hot, leave. Right. And when you're cold, just calm the fuck down. Because if you're cold, why are you going to keep doubling your bet? Makes no sense. So that's, that's like, that's the way I like to approach things. I'm always guiding people.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like, guys, one unit bet on this. Two unit bet on this. If we're going. If it's a good game and we're not running too many slips, go two or three units on this. So it's like an advisory as well. Like, because genuinely, like, genuinely for real. Not a lot of sports guys can say this, but I actually care about my guys. Like, like not to hate on anyone else. They're all killing it. But it's like. So the first week of NFL, like I said, was red, right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
I gave away three grand. I'll just split it up among as many people as I can give money to because they're all hating on me. Right. And I was like, guys, I'm putting the same amount of bets as you. I care. Like, I actually care about you guys winning. That's why I made the entry fee so cheap. Yeah, I made 15 bucks. Who doesn't have 15?
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B
That's the lowest I've heard in your space.
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A
Yeah, exactly. They're mostly at 500 bucks a month. 500 bucks a year. My year passes. 200 bucks for a whole year.
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B
Wow. You know, so you can make that off one bet.
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A
Exactly. And. And exactly. So, like, all my members yesterday, and it's like, it's. It just gets so crazy because the way we operate the business is, like, we prioritize our members first, and then the members will pour in. Like, one person refers, two or three person people, and now I'm just blowing up.
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B
Right.
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A
So it's like, from a business side of points, it's smart for me to do that. And from an actual human side of points. I grew up with families with gambling addictions. I never promote gambling. But if they already gamble, I'll be like that cool uncle who fucking gives you weed. Like, if you're gonna smoke weed anyways, I'll fucking give you the best weed out there. Right? So that's how I like to operate things. That's the way I've always operated things. Because, like, yeah, I talk to all my members one on one. Anyone watching this can literally DM me on Instagram. And whenever I have time, I just answer all their DMs, and, like, any advice, you can talk to me for, like, 10 days, like, and I'm giving you advice. That's just how I operate. Even if you don't pay me, you know, that's just how I operate the business. That's where I like to.
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B
Good karma, man.
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A
Exactly. So it's like in the industry where it's a bunch of scummy people and a bunch of, you know, not ethical people, I try to be as ethical as possible because my passion isn't in robbing people for 15 bucks a week. My passion is in actually helping people win.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And, like, when people win, I just make more money. Just in general.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. Your industry has a bad rep.
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A
Terrible rep. It's terrible. Like, I tell people, oh, I'm a sports player, and they, like, give me a little side. I'm like, like, bro. But it's a little bit different.
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B
They automatically don't trust you.
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A
Yeah, exactly.
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B
Like, even people that are thinking about joining your program, they've probably been scammed.
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A
Like, four times on average thousand times, man. Like, there's this one comment yesterday, he was like, I joined 10 different discords. It's my second day here. I would. I'm never leaving.
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B
Wow.
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And it's just because the way we operate, Shit, it's like the amount of care we show for per person is real. And our support team is all there. Like, you ask a question in chat within 5, 10 minutes, it gets answered.
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B
Damn.
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A
Yeah. Swear to God, Like, I have people on staff 24, 7 because I actually want these guys. Because sports betting, I was there. Like anyone who says, oh, this guy's just a guru selling like, dude, I was wrong. Normal people, like, I was literally there. I lost ten grand. I had no help, had none of these advisors, had none of this stuff. So like when people actually come into the group, I'm a beginner how to do this, you click. What is it called? Like Bankroll Management Guide, Guide A through Z pages along on what you should do and what you shouldn't do. Like that's. And I spent hours on that. But advisors all, we're all talking about collaborating. My team spent a whole hour on this guide.
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B
That's cool, dude. Yeah, yeah. I've seen a lot of people come and go in your space. Yeah, man, they rotate pretty often.
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A
Yeah. So like the top guys are never at the top for that long. Unless you're just like spending hundreds of thousands on ads and you're just like maintaining it. But I'm probably the only guy who got up here organically. Like the. So we're the biggest prize fix community in the world. We're getting close to biggest sports betting community in the world because there's still DraftKings and fans like other fantasy sports. But we're getting there. We're getting there and we will get there. Because it's just like something I'm just crazy about that goes into a software I'm building too. Because I'm building a software to help beginners.
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B
Is it AI related?
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A
Yeah, technically, because all algorithm stuff, but it's mainly just data and being able to sort the data. So imagine this, right? Not trying to get too much my sauce out there, but imagine this. So you're a beginner, right? Let's say you want to start sports betting, right? You go to this software that is free. I'm making it free for people. And you just look at all the props of the day. Every single prop, you click one button, one button and it sorts it out. Highest chance of winning, it calculates the odds, calculates last 10, calculates last 5 head to head matchup calculates literally everything that your human brain cannot do all at once. And it sorts it from best to worst.
- [22:49]
B
Wow.
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A
Best odds of everything. You pick one or two, put in a two men, call it a day. Then like that's essentially what I'm trying to build because me and my team, our schedules are insane. Like we'll work till like last night we were working till 1am cooking up place. Because the way prize fix itself drops the props is very strategic in a sense. They want you to lose, right? So they drop the shitty props first and then they'll slowly twinkle in the good props later. So you have to stay up to like 1am and then you have to wake up at like 7am that's smart. It's so smart. Like the way that average people don't know this about books, but everyone in my community knows because everything that I learned from being at the top in the industry, I tell them, bro, data providers, the people making the lines isn't the actual books priced chalkboard sleeper. It's not them. Like they don't have employees going, oh, let's make Steph Curry at 29. It is a data provider and the way you control the data provider is completely different than the book. So people like all projects lines suck. It's not Price Fix, it's just their lines. Actually Price fix has their own in house data provider, so they control their lines.
- [23:48]
B
Interesting.
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A
Yeah. So like shit like that is like industry secrets that no one would know. That helps you have an advantage, right? So I tell all my members this, I'm like the reason why price is line right now is higher because they know this is a good prop, they're making it higher. And then the other books, they, they have the actual lines where it's actually at but price versus 0.5 or 1 higher. You know what I mean?
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B
Nuts.
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A
Yeah, it's all that type of like secrecy type of stuff where it's just keeping you down there like average betters, you can't, you can't win. Statistics show 99% lose. I would say 99.8% leads like that high. That high. Like you cannot win the only way you win in sports betting, right? Besides like actually having a good strategy, like the average gambler, the only way you win is if you and me go on projects for a week, throw whatever cash out. That's the only way you win. It's kind of like blackjack, right? The only way you win is when you leave the damn table. So with prize Picks and player Props. Player props is significantly harder to hit than, like, any other prop. And on top of that, you have to pair them up. You have to put two. If you were able to just do one prop on price picks, it'll be a lot easier. Like, drastically easier. That's why, like, DraftKings and FanDuel and stuff, payouts are low. So it's not like with prize picks, it's like two props is a 3x, but sometimes on DraftKings FanDuel, it's like a 1.6x for one prop. But that's just like, the odds and the payout because everything correlates, right? But I'd rather bet on that 1.6 payout every single time compared to the 3x. I just do the 3x because that's what my community wants and that's what they need, right? I do straight bets, too. I do a lot of straight bets. That's where a lot of my winnings come from.
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B
That's the best odds, right?
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A
Yeah, amazing odds. Like money lines. I really like spreads. I really like. Like, we've been. We're like five out of seven on our last straight bets.
- [25:29]
B
Wow.
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A
Yeah. Which is pretty good because, like, if you bet a thousand bucks, you're winning. You're winning, like, five, six grand.
- [25:35]
B
Yeah, that's solid.
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A
Yeah, it's pretty solid. So, like, people always ask me, like, oh, it's not realistic because I don't even have a high bankroll. It's like, dude, tacos on prize picks. So it's basically, they just give you a discounted prop and you pair it up and then you can hit a 3x. So max $25, right? Oh, I don't have that much bankroll, bro. My members took, what is it, like 50 bucks to 150. And then imagine doing that on three different accounts every week, right? So it's like very, very realistic to make thousands and thousands of dollars. But plus, you get. You get the edge because you're betting on promos. You're not just betting on regular lines. You're betting on the shit that the books give you. But they're using this to entice you. So it's like, oh, sign up to prize fix. You get this promo, you get this taco. But even if they lose money on those tacos, right? Because tacos are hitting a lot right now because you get value. You're way better odds betting on that taco, right? So even if they lose a shit ton of money on that taco, they know the Next day, you're betting on those player props. So sometimes I'll tell guys, if you guys have a low bankroll, I'm talking about 100, 200, $300. That doesn't mean you don't make money. That means just bet on only promos. And there's some platforms, Chalkboard, sleeper, underdog. They drop point five free squares, which means Steph Curry over 0.5 points, which is a free square. You pair it up with a good prop, you get three extra money, right? So 10 bucks to $30. Imagine 10 promos, and you can do like five. You do, like, five promos a day. That's pretty realistic because these books drop them like. They drop them like it's hot, bro. Like, drop all these damn promos. And. Yeah, that's. You just farm the promos. And then what's even better? It's like, let's say my girlfriend sitting right there.
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B
Yeah.
- [27:10]
A
I get her account, right? My account, too. We both lock in these promos. Now that's $20 max, instead of just 10. And now you're hitting and you're hitting and you're hitting. Now you're making thousands of dollars off of promos. Like promo bets, where you have the edge, where it's not much risk at all. Some platforms even do protected plays where they protect, like, up to $25. So if you bet $25, even if you lose, you get it back.
- [27:32]
B
Wow.
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A
So, like, shit like that. But it's like people use that as an intro to sports betting, and then they just forget about it because they're like, oh, it's 10 bucks. I'm like, no, that is 10 bucks on three different accounts. 30 bucks, that's 90 bucks each. Imagine 10 times 900 bucks, right? $600 profit. Imagine that every other day. 600 profit every other day. And I know it's like we're assuming that we're hitting all of it, but generally, if you have good picks, like, you're gonna hit them. Like you're gonna hit them. Because everything is odds based in the same way how the books have a slightly better odd, and they keep winning. If you have a slightly better odds, you will keep winning in the long run. So that's the same. Same way how it works.
- [28:09]
B
I Love that. Yeah. DraftKings has a crazy promo right now.
- [28:12]
A
Yeah.
- [28:12]
B
Deposit five bucks, get 250. Yeah, that's nuts.
- [28:15]
A
But you have to think they're giving you $250. When you bet $5, how much are they making off each person? Right? And I'm at the top of the game. I can't say the numbers, but I know how much they're making per person. It's a fucking lot.
- [28:27]
B
I mean, their lifetime values. Got it.
- [28:28]
A
Their lifetime value is insane because they know no matter who you are, you're going to lose. You're going to see that prop, prop, and now your $10 can turn into 10,000. People eat it up. It's like they eat it up and it's just so sad because you'll see it all over Twitter and stuff too. Like, oh, someone won like the other day, someone won 100k. I don't know if you've seen, but they won 100k off of anytime touchdown play. It's like a three leg parlay or whatever. But it's like, how often do we see those? Like, sure, it's spread it like wildfire now, right? But it's like he's won in millions and millions and millions and millions of people. That's like, that's like if I went and bought the super lotto every day and if I did, if I didn't get it, I would be mad as fuck. It's like, do you buy it just knowing that you're probably not going to hit it and you might, might, you might hit it. Some people actually genuinely rely on these parlays to like make a living. And I'm like, I'm like, I don't know who you've been listening to, but that's not realistic at all.
- [29:24]
B
Some DJ and shit right there.
- [29:26]
A
Shit, right? I'm like, my thing is safe bets, reliable and consistent. And it all matters up here. Yes, if you're betting safe bets, but then you do some dumb shit the next day and lose it all. It takes one day to lose it all. It takes one day.
- [29:40]
B
Dude, you retired your parents at 18.
- [29:42]
A
Oh yeah, I did.
- [29:42]
B
That's crazy. What did that feel like?
- [29:44]
A
It was honestly crazy because the reason why, like even as I'm talking, I'm so passionate about like helping people, making money, whatever. It's always come and stem from my parents. So, like always wanted to retire my parents. Like that's always been like, even thinking about it now is crazy because it just happened like last year. So like my mom, the first thing I did when I started making money was like, I remember I made 15k in a day from sports betting. And I, I have the screenshot too. It's hella funny. I just randomly zelled her 7, 500. So I sent her half and she goes, son did you just send me seven and a half grand? I go, yeah, lol. What's wrong? Like just like playing casual because I've been waiting for moments like this, right? And she was so excited, so happy because my mom was my girl almost poor as growing up like most parents was she gambler? No, no, no. She doesn't agree with the gambling at all until I actually started making money. My dad's a fucking degenerate though. I love my dad, but yeah, he's a degenerate. He's kind of what taught me what not to do. Basically like we're in Vegas so he's always be up in Vegas and she. I used to come up with him and watch him lose it all. So like stuff like that. But when I sent my mom that money was crazy about my dad a Corvette. I don't like all this stuff. I don't show on social media too because like that's just shit I actually wanted to do. I market my lifestyle and like the shit that I buy. All fancy watches, fancy cars. All I care about is my parents. Like the most I spend a month is like if I spend six figures a month, like just out of my own pocket majority that's going to my parents.
- [31:06]
B
Wow.
- [31:07]
A
Yeah. Like I swear to God, like a lot of rich people like won't help their parents. And I'm always like, they're the reason you're alive. Right. That's how I see it. Because growing up, dinner, whatever or even trips to Disneyland, I'm always like, I can't wait to pay him back. Can't wait to pay him back. So like when I retired my mom, it was great. It was from sports betting and business because you cannot just retire your parents making 20, 30k a month from sports betting. So I'm very transparent about that. It's like I own a very successful business that along with my sports betting is what allowed me to retire my parents and live this lifestyle. It's not just sports betting. If it was just sports betting, I would be a lot more down there. That's why you know people who say like they bought this $10 million house, I was worth spending. I don't know how true that is.
- [31:51]
B
Off selling picks.
- [31:52]
A
Yeah, I mean it's off selling picks. Like the thing is you have to be honest with people because you will trick them into believing that they're going to become a millionaire just like you. But it's not true. I like to just monetize what I have actually done. But I never say, hey, you could take that 100 into 100k. That's what everyone says. I'm like, you're not going to help them take that 100k to 100k, right? You know what I mean? It's like with my parents too, when I started sportswear and they hated it. But anyways, like when I retired my mom, it was great. Like, I remember the. The process of retiring her was very. Boom. Like that. It wasn't like, oh, mom, I'm starting to make money, I'll start my money within six months. I called her up and I was like, cuz she lives somewhere else. And I lived in California, right? Because just way cheaper to buy a house over there. And she worked her whole life to buy this house. She told me it took her 21 years to buy this house.
- [32:42]
B
Damn.
- [32:43]
A
So, so I called her up. I go, hey, mom, I'm gonna get you a penthouse. And she goes, what? What are you talking about? And I go, you're retired. Just. Just come down. And so we toured the penthouse, 20 something above love floor, and then the most expensive one that you could rent there. And I go, just live here. I don't even care if it's rent. I mean like, I'm gonna make it back at sports betting, right? Whatever. It's like, because if I spend eight grand a month, six grand a month on rent, I make that back. Like. But by then I was really, really confident, right? It was prime NBA season. And it's true, I have been making it back. So I retired her there. And then I was like, hey, mom, what is it? What is your favorite car again? She goes, tesla, Model S plaid. And I go, you really need a plaid? She goes, yeah, I like it. I go, ordered, boom.
- [33:21]
B
100 GS.
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A
100 GS. And I sent it to her. And then her whole life changed in a blink of an eye. It wasn't like we grew up rich. It was like out of nowhere, Boom. Now you're retired. Wow. And then I was like, mom, quit your job. Quit your job now. Because she worked corporate her whole life. I used to go to her damn office. I used to sit there, do my homework. I was like, Asian kid in the background.
- [33:40]
B
Classic.
- [33:41]
A
I was the Asian kid with the glasses, a little chubby, doing homework in the background. My mom worked corporate. I hated it. I was like, really, Mom? You're slaving away because I hear drama 24 7. Oh, my boss said this. I'll have to go to Oakland to go do this. I'm like, oakland, you're gonna Die. So I was always like, I hated that for my mom, right?
- [33:58]
B
Yeah.
- [33:58]
A
The second I was able to and comfortable to, to retire her. Done, no questions asked. And at the time I didn't even have anything, I rented my apartment after hers, so I moved into the nice one after her. So it's like my mom is everything. Even like that was last year. Now I just bought her $2 million property.
- [34:14]
B
Damn.
- [34:15]
A
Yeah. And we're going to build our dream house there. And yeah, like I didn't get my house first. I still rent. I just bought her a $2 million property. We're going to build a bunch of houses now. I'm talking about my dad too. I retired him too. I did all that stuff with him too. So, dude, yeah, man, it's been great. So ever since then, now my real passion is less in like making money and more like helping people. That's why I want the software too. Like, you can't tell me I'm going to make a software that will beat these books and I'm making it free now. It's going to be 100% free. You know what I mean?
- [34:44]
B
You could have charged for that.
- [34:45]
A
Yeah, I could charge like 50 bucks a month for that. Make a million a month. Like the numbers that I will bring in. Because I can easily get 200k active users on that. Because it's going to be the best.
- [34:54]
B
Right.
- [34:54]
A
And I can charge even 10 bucks. That's 2 million a month. Right. I could do that. I'm making it free, you know.
- [35:00]
B
So is that the strategy though? Are you going to make it free at first and then once it's proven eventually.
- [35:04]
A
I haven't even thought that far. But it's mainly just going to be like if you go onto the platform. So like I promote promo codes. Right. And literally anything about money, you ask me, my members ask me honest. Because you have to be honest in the market. That is not honest to you. So I'm very honest people. So every time you use my projects code, chalkboard code, under our code, I get some money. So this software is like, it'll mainly be, if you want, you can hop on these platforms to use our code and that will be our only source of revenue. Even if we break even, even if we barely profit, that will be what the business model will be.
- [35:35]
B
Wow.
- [35:36]
A
Because the goal is to just get a shit ton of users on. Like that's like one of my passions is just growing stuff, like growing secured picks to 100k members. That was insane. I was like, man, life accomplished, retirement Parents.
- [35:49]
B
You probably can't even read the chat. It's probably just non stop.
- [35:51]
A
Yeah. Dude. Dude. Oh, my God. Like, some days when we win, like when we cash, Discord just bugs out. Just. It just bugs out because my community is on Discord. So the chat is just tweaking, tweaking ticket, and it just bugs out and it just freezes and everyone's phone is dead. And then like five minutes later, we're like, yo, what the happened? What the.
- [36:08]
B
That's crazy.
- [36:09]
A
That type of stuff. I'll post screen recordings, all that stuff.
- [36:11]
B
You're breaking Discord.
- [36:12]
A
Yeah. It's so funny. Like, it's so funny. But yeah, that's awesome, dude. Discord's been amazing. It's just. It's just fun because it's a community. Like, it's everything I've wanted to build pretty much. And, like, I'm just doing everything I've always wanted to do.
- [36:22]
B
You're breaking the norm, dude. Because even Discord has a bad rep. Like a bunch of scammers on Discord.
- [36:27]
A
Yeah. Like Telegram and.
- [36:28]
B
Yeah, Telegram is a terrible rep. Yeah.
- [36:30]
A
Like, that's so true. But the thing is, like, even, like, okay, if I'm making, like, someone will buy a year pass, I'll make 200. So right now it's 200 bucks. It used to be like 400 bucks. I'll make 400 bucks. Like, that. They'll be like. And they'll randomly say that they're underage for some reason and I'd be like, to get out and I'll refund them. But I could be making a shit ton of money off that. Like, it happens a lot.
- [36:49]
B
Wow.
- [36:50]
A
Like, people will be 16 using their mom's IDs, and I'm like, dude, get out. Just because ethically and morally I can't. I cannot be gambling with you guys.
- [36:57]
B
Yeah.
- [36:58]
A
Like, even if it helps you guys out, I'll literally have my team or me directly message them like, bro, you're 16 years old. Go go find a real job. Or go do something. Like something where sports betting isn't like your main thing. My, my thing with sports betting is always tell people this. I can sports bet full time because I have businesses. I'm a businessman. I've always been an entrepreneur. My first business when I was 12, actually 11. But like, I've always had businesses in a backup. If sports betting fails, I have a backup. And if sports betting fails, I have more bankroll. I can throw in a bunch of money in my bankroll.
- [37:28]
B
Right, Right. You have A safety net.
- [37:30]
A
Yeah. Very honest with this. And it's like that. That's just how I always am. You. That's how always been.
- [37:34]
B
That's cool. A lot of sports bettors don't have that safety net. They're all in on sports betting, so it's a little more risky.
- [37:39]
A
Yeah, exactly. Like, they'll. They'll put, like, 200k on a game or 300k on a game, but it's. That's not the way to sports bet. You got to run units you got to run. You got to manage your bankroll. Like, you can't. I mean, you can, like, once in a while, like, super bowl, and you do some stupid.
- [37:54]
B
Sean Perry bet a million on it.
- [37:56]
A
Yeah. And he lost this year.
- [37:58]
B
He lost, but he won the previous, what, six?
- [37:59]
A
Yeah, but he went like a crazy heater right after that, too.
- [38:01]
B
Yeah.
- [38:02]
A
But it's like, Sean Perry is a millionaire. He loses a million, he doesn't even blink an eye, you know? So it's like, guys who see that, right. I love Sean Perry. Don't get me wrong. You know, vouch for him, whatever. But, like, I like to be realistic. These are normal people. Like, you could tell me, Sean Perry comes to me, hey, let's put 500k in the super Bowl. I'll be like, no, but I could do it. I could do it, and if I lose, I'll survive. You know? Like, I will survive. But normal people who put even $1,000 into a bet, I would never, ever, ever advise that or even tell them to do that, because realistically, these are nine to five working people who cannot lose that. You know, I actually care about these guys. So, like, my strategy has always been put in your bankroll what you can afford to lose. Like, if you lost it today, don't stress about it.
- [38:45]
B
Absolutely. You know, I got to ask about the tattoos, man.
- [38:48]
A
Oh, yeah, man.
- [38:49]
B
Full sleeve.
- [38:50]
A
Full sleeve.
- [38:50]
B
Got my looks, really professionally done.
- [38:52]
A
Yeah, thanks. I flew to Bali to get it. I was like. That's also one, like, how I started social media, too. On my. On the personal branding side of things is tattoos. So I got this when I was 18.
- [39:02]
B
Damn. It's like, your parents were pissed. Weren't the.
- [39:04]
A
Oh, man.
- [39:05]
B
Those Asian parents. I know how they are. I'm half Chinese.
- [39:07]
A
Oh, yeah?
- [39:08]
B
Yeah.
- [39:08]
A
Nice. Yeah. Like, my. Dude. My mom was pissed. My grandma didn't talk to me for three months. Holy. And I'm so close to my grandma. Like, dude, I love my grandma. We do everything together.
- [39:17]
B
Yeah.
- [39:17]
A
She talks to me for three months.
- [39:18]
B
You didn't give them a heads up that you were getting it?
- [39:20]
A
I did like a day before. So like. So the thing with the tattoos, right, is like everything has meaning obviously, right? But this is real meaning because ever since I was little, I always knew I wanted to be an entrepreneur. Never wanted to go to college. I dropped out of high school, never wanted to do any of that shit.
- [39:35]
B
Wow.
- [39:36]
A
So I was like, dude, I got dragons on my neck. Who's fucking that crazy? Like, I know, like, people always like, dude, I don't like your tattoo. I'm like, I don't care. But the why I got it is because dragons have always been my favorite animal. Right? And they represent power, wisdom, all that type of stuff. That corny shit, whatever.
- [39:51]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [39:51]
A
But it's like I wanted that on my neck because it's kind of like I used to get like low key abused when I was growing up. So like I said chokes like, so.
- [39:57]
B
I was like, we're just gonna gloss over though.
- [39:59]
A
What are you talking about? But yeah, I used to get like, bro, like I got tattoos on my neck. So it's like I have power over my own life. No matter what anyone tells me to do, I'm going to do what I believe will get me to a higher level. So I was like, do you know this? You're entrepreneur. Growing up, no one fucking believes in you. Nobody. They always tell you, oh, go do this, go do this, do this. If I listen to you, I'd be in the same position as I'd be nine to five. Exactly. So you're in control of your own power. So like, or in your, you're in control of your own life. So like, I've always been in control of my own life. Never really listened to anyone that I didn't like want to switch places with facts.
- [40:32]
B
That's great advice.
- [40:32]
A
Exactly. Right? So it's like if you told me something, I'm listening because you're successful, you're an entrepreneur. But like some one of my uncles, I didn't like, that's like a degenerate, does this, does coke or whatever, tells me, hey, you should do this. Why the fuck would I listen to you? Because it's not a respecting, like, I respect everyone. It's a. I wouldn't switch places with you. So I'm not going to take your advice. Right. Plus normal people don't know the situations that entrepreneurs are in. Like people may see, oh, secure pigs. Grew up, blew up because he's just good at sportswearning. No, dude, like we're talking about training so many employees, working so much. Like, working 24, 7 nonstop. Like, almost breaking up with your partner, like, ruining relationships with your family because they don't believe in you, but you believe in yourself. So you got to separate yourself from, like, all that type of shit, losing all your money, like, in business, like, especially a business. Right. You can see, oh, that's a successful business. They could be in bankruptcy and you wouldn't know.
- [41:20]
B
Yep.
- [41:21]
A
Right? Like, shit like that is so real. So it's like entrepreneurship is a different level of mindset that you have to have going into it, and just normal people just. They just wouldn't know, so.
- [41:29]
B
No, they wouldn't.
- [41:30]
A
Yeah. Like, tattoos. I purposely got my hand tattooed because there's no going back after this. There's no going back. You know?
- [41:36]
B
Like, that one must have hurt.
- [41:37]
A
Yeah, that was hell, bro. It's like. But it's like, you just gotta. In the same sense as how tattoos is all mental, I genuinely believe business and a lot of other things are just all mental because at the end of the day, we're all human and we are all capable of doing the same exact thing. We can all do the same thing, but it's just the guy who's mentally there, who can stay up those hours, who can say, off to everyone and just get to work. Right. Those are the only people succeeding. Like the entrepreneurs people. People who think about business and go, oh, I want to get into business because I want to control my own hours and I want to be more free. You're. You're not. You're. You're working more hours.
- [42:12]
B
Way more. Double.
- [42:13]
A
Way more.
- [42:13]
B
Double the hours.
- [42:14]
A
Instead of a 9 to 5, you're working 9 to 12.
- [42:16]
B
Yep.
- [42:16]
A
Like, pretty much. Like, that's what I do every day. Like, I'm in Vegas, supposed to be having a good time. I was working all morning, and then now we're here working, and then I'm going to go home and work, and then maybe we'll have. Right. So, like. So that's just how I see it with everything. The tattoos is like, they're basically a statement of, like, I really don't give a what you say, because my family, Asians, they hate it. My grandma hated it.
- [42:35]
B
You're the only Asian dropout I know from high school.
- [42:37]
A
Really?
- [42:38]
B
Yeah.
- [42:38]
A
Because they don't have the strength, bro. Like, nah, they don't have the strength. Because I get it, though. Like, I literally get it, because when I told my mom I wanted to drop, that's all we talk about college. I was a straight a student. 4.0, 4.20.
- [42:49]
B
Damn.
- [42:50]
A
Like that type of. Like I had, I had glasses that was really chubby. Like, you may see me now, but I may look a little different. But back then I was really chubby, very insecure. All I cared about was school. I was still extroverted, very talkative, very ambitious. But I was stuck in that life, bro. Like, I was stuck in that. My mom wanted me to be an engineer. What do engineers even do? Like, I still don't know to this day, right? I respect all engineers, but that is not my passion. I like building and growing things, business especially. So I was like, once junior year hit, I had built a business before that. But then I. I sat down with my mom one on one before I even started talking, bro. Just to grab her like crying everywhere, bro. Like, I swear, like, she knew it was so no me.
- [43:29]
B
Oh, you were me crying.
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A
She was like, what the hell is wrong with you? And I was, I was crying, bawling my eyes out. Cuz the anxiety and stress you get just from telling your parents that you don't want to go to college is unreal. Because that is like, you're expected to do that your whole life.
- [43:41]
B
Oh yeah.
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A
Your entire life. You're expected to go to college, you're expected to go the traditional route, go the safe route and go take care of your family, be an engineer, have a nice 401k. So when I told her that, I was like, mom, I will literally jump off this bridge right now if you make me go to college. Like, I was so serious, I was crying my eyes out. I was like, mom, trust me, you know how. Because she knows. She's always been so supportive of me. But for some reason with culture in college, it's so different. Like, my mom, anytime I needed her support, Social Security at 12 years old to start a drop shipping business, she let me. That's how much faith my mom had in me. Which is. That's why I always give back to her. Like every single time I think of anything, I think of her. This whole trip I've been sending her pictures and I was like, hey, we're gonna take you next time, right?
- [44:23]
B
Yeah.
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A
So it's like when I first told her that, it's like she was so against it still and seeing that I was. Because for more, for more context, that junior year I had created an e comm business and I was making 100k. Like I was. Well, I made 100k by the end of that year. But by leading up to that year, I made 30 or 40k on track to hit 100k that year. Yeah, that's pretty insane for I was 17.
- [44:45]
B
Yeah.
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A
That's all two years ago, three years ago. So I was 17, right. And I was like, mom, I'm building a successful business. You know, this is what I've always wanted to do. But she's like, oh, it's not safe. It's not this, it's not, it's not that, whatever. And I was like, college, I cannot. It took like two hours of convincing and agreement. I had to make an actual agreement. And I was like, if I have to make 100k by the end of the year for your first ever business, 100k profit is insane. Especially e com where like 50% margins.
- [45:12]
B
Yeah.
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A
So like the amount of grind I had was unreal. But we agreed to that and I was really happy because I was just so confident in myself. So it's like you have to have undying confidence in yourself. Yeah, most entrepreneurs do. They like have this kind of delusion of like, I'm the best, I'm the best and I can do it.
- [45:29]
B
Right.
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A
And that's what you need. Like to be able to stand up to my mom like that and be like, no, mom, like all this time you wanted me to go to college. All this time, whatever, I'm not going. Like, I'm seriously not. Like, even if you make me go, I'm not going to show up. Like I would tell her and I brought this, I brought this up to her. Imagine I'm a bit, I'm an entrepreneur. I want to build businesses. You want me to go to a nice four year uc, go into debt, waste four years of my life and, and have all that money that I have to pay back and by the end of the four years I, in my eyes, I have nothing. Give me four years, I will retire you. I did it in two.
- [46:02]
B
Wow.
- [46:02]
A
Less than two because I was 17. Now I'm 19. I did it the next year because I started Secure picks. Secureplace blew up. Within a year I hit 60k members on Secure Picks. Within a year, sports betting was taken off. I did it all so quick. But I'm one of, I would say like on a luck to ambitious standpoint, I'm very lucky and blessed like every day I think I'm blessed. I don't think that I got here alone. I think that someone up there guided me here and I like just put myself in the right position. Right. So it's like that that's just how everything is. Like, you have to take that step to go tell your parents you don't want to go to college. Maybe you want to go do something else. Yeah, right. And take that step to actually, like, take power over your own future. Like, if you fail, it has to be because of you. It can't be because your parents want you to be an engineer. Because then you're going to look back and you're going to be like, man, my life could have been so much, but my mom. Your mom wants what's best for you. She thinks in her era this was the right way. But in this new era where entrepreneurships, online, businesses, it is a new era of money making. It is up to you to do the research to understand that you can go through that route. You know, there's like, guys on TikTok shop, affiliate drop shipping, making tens of thousands of dollars a month.
- [47:09]
B
I see that.
- [47:10]
A
Like, what reason is there for using. Not to. Not, like, go learn that shit. Like, what reason? Right. Instead of scrolling on TikTok all day, go scroll business advice. That's what I used to do. Like, if I'm like, okay, if I'm going to waste my time on TikTok or YouTube is going to be listening to a bunch of these entrepreneurs and listening to their guidance and taking that shit in and changing my entire perspective on these things.
- [47:28]
B
Yeah, yeah, that's what I did, too. Damn, we got really similar journeys, man.
- [47:31]
A
Yeah, exactly. Right? Yeah.
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B
Yeah. I. When I was dropping out of college, I did not want to tell my mom, dude, But I had some revenue. I had a business at the time, and I was able to leverage that.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because a lot of people want to drop out with nothing.
- [47:42]
A
With nothing, bro. And they'll come to me and they're like, yo, bro, I want to do what you're doing. I want to drop out. I'm like, all right, so what's your plan? What's your passions? At least you need to know what your passion is. Mine is building things and helping people, and those two make a lot of money. So I was like, what is your passion? They go, I don't know, man. I'm like, just because you don't know doesn't mean that you just need to drop out of college. I would say for the average person, college is okay to figure out what the fuck you want to do.
- [48:06]
B
Yeah.
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A
Like, some people, like, are creative. They want to go into photographs, photography, so they can go learn all that stuff. Right. But for me specifically, for you specifically, business, entrepreneurship, Grinding, doing every day. You know, that type of. That's, that's the type of. That we're passionate about and we don't need college for that.
- [48:20]
B
No. I was literally skipping class to work on my drop shipping business.
- [48:24]
A
Yeah. I started dropshipping when I was 11 or 12. I forgot about.
- [48:27]
B
Oh, that's early.
- [48:28]
A
Yeah. Because when it. Was it viral 2016-2017.
- [48:31]
B
That's when I was doing it.
- [48:31]
A
Yeah, exactly. I saw this all over my YouTube feed. I was addicted to YouTube and anime. So I will go on YouTube and I came across some. Some drop shippers. And I was like, oh my God, this is my moment. Because I always knew I wanted to be a business owner. I was like, I'm going to do this. I didn't sleep for like two days straight. That's a weird thing I have too is I would do all nighters. For some reason I just. My brain won't shut off until I finish that goal or learn that something I want to learn. So I would. I stayed up for two nights straight. Crashed the third night. I built my whole drop shipping store in those two days because it's so easy and quick. Now it's a little. It's oversaturated. We both know that's just not real. Like, we both know that's just not real. But back then it was very achievable. Right. I was selling Rick and Morty T shirts like. Like the, the. The weirdest shit you can get on AliExpress. Yeah, but that worked. It did. I put. I. I paid like 10 bucks, 20 bucks on meme pages and got up there. I was literally 12 or 11 at the time. Let's just say I was 12, but I was 12 at the time, making a few hundred bucks a week.
- [49:27]
B
Yeah, that's drop shipping. So I made my first 100k.
- [49:30]
A
Nice.
- [49:31]
B
A lot of entrepreneurs in our space, they started with drop shipping.
- [49:33]
A
Yeah. That was like a stepping stone.
- [49:35]
B
Yeah. And these days it's different. Like, it's not drop shipping anymore, but people got to figure it out.
- [49:39]
A
Yeah, exactly.
- [49:39]
B
Now it's short form content editing. I see a lot of those kids.
- [49:42]
A
Exactly. Like, the thing is, it's like. Yeah. Like, let's say anyone watching this, oh, I don't want to go to college either. Go learn how to create content. I don't want to put my face out there. You're not cut out. You're not cut out for it.
- [49:52]
B
Yeah.
- [49:53]
A
Or go find faceless something. You know, like people do faceless content all the time, but it's hard. You have to be the top of the top to do faceless, right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
So it's like if you can't even have the balls to show your face, don't say you can't. Don't say you want to drop out of college. Don't say you, you can't. You don't even have the balls to put your face in front of a screen. You don't have the balls to put your face in front of your mom and say, I don't want to. Right? You don't have the balls.
- [50:15]
B
Yeah.
- [50:15]
A
Right. So it's like, it's more of a. You just gotta do it, bro. It's like I tell everyone this is like, how do you do this? How you do it? I just did it. There's no secret formula, right? Everyone thinks there's a secret formula.
- [50:26]
B
Just start.
- [50:26]
A
Yeah, just start. And it spirals.
- [50:28]
B
You're going to learn more from doing it than actually talking to people about it.
- [50:31]
A
Literally. Like my uncle, he. He's getting into building businesses, right? He went to college for building business. He said it was utterly useless. Like utterly useless. Like he, when he built his first business, that's when everything came in.
- [50:43]
B
Facts.
- [50:43]
A
Exactly. Right. So like that's just, that's just how it is with entrepreneurship.
- [50:47]
B
All that type of stuff, Stuff's changing so fast that by the time it's in a textbook these days, it's irrelevant because.
- [50:52]
A
Yeah. Another thing is like your parents, My parents, they are learn, they have learned out outdated information. So 18, 20, 30 years ago, engineer college, that was the route to go. That was. Don't get me wrong, dude, fast forward 2024 going into 2025. No, like for people who want to get to that top 1% of income where you want to be baller, you want to be rich, you want to live the lifestyle that you see Iman Godsi, all these guys living. You cannot go that traditional route because that data is out. You know, it's outdated.
- [51:24]
B
Yeah, right.
- [51:25]
A
So like you have to look at what is happening in real time. Present. Now you can see why does everyone have courses? Maybe selling courses is the way to make money. It is. Why is everyone doing Tick Tock affiliate shop? Maybe it is.
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B
Yeah.
- [51:36]
A
So just go learn that. Right. But it's like people are so. They don't want to put that foot in the door. If you never go through the door, you're just never going to get to the end of the hall.
- [51:44]
B
Nine to fives have a cap.
- [51:46]
A
Exactly.
- [51:46]
B
Like you're not going to make more than like 250 a year.
- [51:48]
A
And you could get laid off like during COVID anytime. Get laid off?
- [51:51]
B
Yeah, you can get laid off. You're at someone else's mercy.
- [51:53]
A
Exactly. Like in the same sense how like our employees, whatever, no matter. I always say this like it's fucked up. It is. But life is value. If you as an employee cannot provide value to a company, they're going to replace you. That doesn't mean we're hating on you. That just means the business owners care about their business, going to prioritize their business. So corporations like Apple, Amazon, Google, ebay, you have all these workers but you can get laid off whenever and it's cool. Yeah, you have, you're making 10 GS a month, you have a nice health care. But like if that is not the life that you want to live, then don't live it. Right. So that's like. I know like a lot of people who are scared of getting laid off at Tesla. Like Tesla just laid off a. I heard about that. Yeah, they laid off a ton of people because my family works in Tesla, have friends that work in Tesla. So it's like, it's just like you are at the mercy of, you know, whoever is in control with Amazon, I.
- [52:42]
B
Mean is going to be replacing a lot of these jobs.
- [52:44]
A
Like tell me about it. Like my software that I'm putting out is going to replace all these shitty ass sports groups.
- [52:49]
B
Really?
- [52:49]
A
Like bro, the way that these sports group operates is like I, it's all good, bro. Make your money how you want to make your money. But it's like you're just going on a software and you're finding the pics you like and you just throwing out there and you're making 10g a month. Right. But it's like my software will literally take over you because it'll be more powerful, it'll be free and it's just better. And then you can join secure picks for free because security, you could join for free just for the community and if you want picks, you could pay. So it's like I cater to everyone. So it's like that software is going to actually help people because I'm sick of these sports writers, bro, I'm sick of them. Like it's just not real. It's not real. Like everything I do, I'm not saying like, oh, I'm the only fucking legit one. I'm just saying I try to be as real as possible and I see way too many fake people out there, you know that's just how. That's just how it is, dude.
- [53:33]
B
I've heard some of them have two different chats and then.
- [53:35]
A
Oh, you know what they do?
- [53:36]
B
Same pick.
- [53:36]
A
Yeah. You know what they do? Let's say niners money line, right? Or niner spread against whatever the Chiefs. One group, like, these are big groups, like, near my level. One group will bet on the niners, the other one will bet on Chiefs. No matter what, they're winning, they're printing and it's.
- [53:52]
B
That's messed up, dude.
- [53:53]
A
When I found that out, I was like, what the. You guys are. You guys are. You guys are dickheads, bro. These. Because how I see each paying customer is like, dude, that is a real human being who worked an hour or two for that entry fee and then 10 plus hours for what they're betting. So it's like, you have to care about these people as much as, like, I'm not even trying to be corny. It's like for real, you know? So it's like, these aren't just numbers on a screen. You have to be real. So, like, a lot of these guys create sports groups because, you know, it makes quick money. Now it's a lot harder. It's a lot more like back then two years ago, posted some shitty plays. You, you, you could go viral if you hit. But now it's like, you have to actually be a business person. You have to actually be a business person. Like, I'll, I'll, I'll do like, I'm so serious about this. I, I kind of like vet people who are in my network and if I see that their real potential or potential, they have good place. I'll mentor them. And they're all making like 20 GS a month.
- [54:41]
B
Wow.
- [54:41]
A
Yeah, so. And I'll take a cut of that, obviously. But like, I'll mentor them and then show them how to actually do it right, and like, how to actually care about the community. If you lose, apologize at. The least you could do is apologize to these guys, right? So it's like people don't even think about it. People don't think about it. They're like, oh, no, I've been red all week. I'm like, then why are you. Why is your channel, like, so dead? Like, you're not talking or anything? They're like, because I've been red. I'm like, your community paid for you and you're red. You have to talk to them at least. You have to tell them, hey, yo, boys, I'm sorry, it's red. Day, you know, like, the very least you could do. Is that right? It's like interacting with any human. You're gonna say sorry if you hit them on accident. Right? So, yeah.
- [55:15]
B
What's the longest red streak you've had, dude?
- [55:18]
A
Like, the longest rest. It doesn't typically go longer than two weeks, but two weeks is rough.
- [55:22]
B
That's a long time in sports betting.
- [55:24]
A
It is. It's like, rough because, like, red streaks, everyone runs into them, but sometimes there's, like, actually nothing you can do. So red streaks, like, let's say I lose for two days in a row, then I start switching up. Like, NFL, we switch different sports, switch different props, switch researching, switch all this stuff. Sometimes it's just like. It's just. You're just like you. But that's in the course of, like, years and years, two weeks. So typically now my registries end super quick, and it'll either go break even or just under a loss. Like, if we're talking about losses, but, like, typically, it'll bounce back, either break even or positive. Positive a little bit. How I structure my business is like, we're waiting for that green streak. We're not like, hey, you're going to win every day. We're kind of waiting for that green streak. We bump up the units a little bit, go a little bit heavier, and now secure those profits. That's how I like to run these. Because you have to think about it realistically, right? Realistically, are you going to be able to win every day?
- [56:13]
B
No.
- [56:14]
A
Realistically, are you going to be able to win more than 50% of the time? No. Because the books have an edge. It depends on your strategy and depends on what you do. So that's the most control. Going back to control. That's the most control I can have over things.
- [56:24]
B
Dude. I see the funniest screenshots on Instagram. People are like, 180 and. Oh, yeah, like, come on, dude.
- [56:29]
A
Like, bro, like, so unrealistic. You can Photoshop anything. Like, dude, let me show you this. Hold on. This is one of my books. You can Photoshop anything, right? So let me see. So this chalkboard. I like it. They have better lines, good promos. So I had 30k at the beginning of last week. Okay, so. And you can see. You can see withdrawable. So when cash is fake, it doesn't say withdrawable. And look. So you can. You can refresh and everything. So I started at 30k.
- [56:56]
B
I started at 30k, 21k, guys. He started at 30k last week. And I'm scrolling Down to the bottom.
- [57:01]
A
And you can see entries. You can see actually placing entries. You can see all that.
- [57:06]
B
And you were even at 150 at one point.
- [57:07]
A
Exactly. So yeah, exactly.
- [57:09]
B
Nice. Yeah. Withdrawable cash. $113,000.
- [57:12]
A
Exactly. And the way I sports bet, bro, I have to get direct wires. I can't even get like, I can't withdraw this because the app doesn't have the function to literally withdraw. I have to message the guys. Cuz I, I know all the co founders. I go, hey, yo, I want to withdraw 50k. I'll invoice them 50k. They just withdraw from here and then they invoice me.
- [57:29]
B
Wow.
- [57:30]
A
Like that's how high level this is. And people are like, oh, how do you not get banned, bro? I'm the biggest sports betting community in the world. If they ban me, they lose business.
- [57:37]
B
They lose a lot of business.
- [57:39]
A
Like people, people like think now you're a scammer because you're going to get banned. You're going to, you're going to get limited. Why would they limit their. One of their biggest sources of traffic. Right? Like me promoting Chalkboard. I'm so close to Chalkboard. Right. I win a shit ton of money from the shirt. A couple hundred GS, but I bring thousands, hundreds of thousands of users. So that's completely different, you know? So like pretty much anything you can fact check me on, like, you can go to my discord and check, like, What? Today is October 2nd. You can check and see our win streak.
- [58:06]
B
And you post your losses too, which no one else does.
- [58:08]
A
My losses? Yeah, on Instagram. So I'll be like, hey, boys, we cashed three out of four, four out of five, four out of six, whatever. Right now we're eight out of eight this week. Yeah. Which is genuine insane.
- [58:18]
B
That's a good streak, right?
- [58:18]
A
It's really good. Like we're really, we're super lucky right now. We don't do this every day, but we're super lucky right now. Sunday Night Football, Monday Night Football, we cash like big.
- [58:25]
B
Nice catch.
- [58:25]
A
Big. I hit for like 40k.
- [58:28]
B
Holy.
- [58:29]
A
Yeah. And that's on the separate books on. So I use an offshore book because I can't use DraftKings. So like half of that came from straight bets.
- [58:36]
B
That's awesome, dude. Well, we'll link your props, we'll link your Discord below. And if your software is out by the time this airs, we'll link that too.
- [58:42]
A
Yeah, hopefully.
- [58:43]
B
And your Instagram. Anything else you want to close off with here?
- [58:46]
A
No, I think we're good. I think we've pretty much gone through everything. But any sports bettors out there, just be careful, because anything online can be doctored, like, literally anything. And if they're showing you the very fancy lifestyle or they're not showing you their actual winnings, you have to figure out who's actually winning.
- [59:03]
B
Right.
- [59:03]
A
Because a lot of people have a lot of flashy shit, but it came from somewhere else.
- [59:07]
B
Absolutely. Tyson, it's been fun, man. Thanks for coming on.
- [59:09]
A
Yeah, appreciate it, man.
- [59:10]
B
Thanks for watching, guys. Check out the links below. See you next time.