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Limu Emu and Doug.
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Here we have the Limu Emu in its natural habitat, helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug. Uh, Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us. Cut the camera. They see us. Only pay for what you need@libertymutual.com Liberty Liberty. Liberty. Liberty Savings vary unwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company and affiliates. Excludes Massachusetts. Start the season with Etsy and make your holiday traditions extra special on Etsy. You'll discover original pieces from small shops that will help you celebrate your way. Shop Etsy for holiday decor that makes you feel seen. Special starts on Etsy. Tap the banner to shop now. It's super exciting to see how many good people everywhere around the world are coming together saying, no, we're not gonna stand for this. What is the whole purpose of it? It creates great awareness and create many massive, massive change. I have seen the darkest part of humanity, but in doing so, I have come to the light. This stuff is real. And there is sickos out there. Millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions of sickos out there who are looking for menus like that.
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Can't believe there's that many people.
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The fact that there's somewhere between 10 to 12 million children being trafficked today tells you there's got to be a significant demand to uphold.
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That makes you wonder how many celebrities, how many politicians do they have under their hook? Okay, guys, got a returning guest today, Paul. Just want to thank him. First of all, he came on the show when I used to film on iPhones, and we've come a long way, so it's good to see you again, Paul.
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Super good to see you again. Wow, things have changed.
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Yeah, you too. You've been on a run.
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Yeah.
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You know, I'm sure you've been busier than ever.
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150 plus podcasts since I. Since I first was on with you.
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Oh, my gosh. Trying to get the mission out right then.
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Yeah, just. Just creating a. Creating a movement from what we did with the movie.
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Yeah, that movie just opened up so many doors, I bet.
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Yeah, it did. Literally, you know, it was the number one independent film in the world. And everywhere, governments everywhere are saying, okay, what can we do? How can we keep children safe? How can we change laws, policy? So it's super exciting to see how many good people everywhere around the world are coming together saying, no, we're not gonna stand for this. What do we need to do to fix this problem?
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I think it opened a Lot of eyes. Because now trafficking's talked about way more than it used to be. Right.
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What was the whole purpose of it, you know, three, five years ago, even when I was first on with youh, it was like super new at the time. We, it was, it was uncomfortable before the movie came out. It, it wasn't polite conversation around dinner to talk about, you know, child trafficking or child abuse or whatever. And it was so hush, hush that, that, that's the reason why, one of the reasons why it grew so quickly.
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Yeah, now I can't scroll on Twitter without seeing it. Epstein stuff pops up every day.
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Yeah, Epstein and Diddy. I mean the list goes on and on of people who are involved in things that before were like, oh, that doesn't happen. Oh yeah, it does. Sadly, it happens everywhere.
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Do you think any of that will ever get revealed? The Diddy stuff, the Epstein stuff, or you think it'll be.
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Hidden for forever.
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You want my real opinion? Yeah, I. Here's the problem when the whole thing was about blackmail. It's all about blackmail. If you, if you have, if you have a federal judge, if you have a senator, if you have somebody on film with a 12 year old, you control their votes forever. Forever. You know, so, so if, if you're going to put them in jail, then somebody else has to be corrupted. If you want to be somebody who's controlling somebody in a power position. And the reality is that's kind of what happens. They find these up and coming people that they think could end up being prime ministers or senators or whatever else, and they make sure that they have some hooks in them and then they promote them in exchange for them Knowing that they can't step out of line.
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Wow.
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So, yeah, this stuff's real. And that's the reason why I don't think we're going to see a lot of that stuff. The details on it is because then we'll vote everybody out of office. They'll all go to jail. And now the guys who really make the decisions are gonna have to corrupt more people to make that happen. So.
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Makes you wonder how many celebrities, how many politicians do they have under their hook?
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All of them.
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You think? All of them.
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No. In some way, you know, it's not to the point where they're, you know, sleeping with kids or whatever else, but, you know, they've got to have something, whether it's just a text message to an employee, whether it's a night in Bangkok with your secretary, whatever it is, if there's something they have. And you can tell, you can tell when you've got a political official that you were behind, that you were helping them get to that point. And man, they were so gung ho and helping the people, helping the people. And then all of a sudden, six months into it, three months into it, a year into it, they just. They flip and they're not doing things that are in the best interest of their constituents. You're like, wait a minute, where did that come from?
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You see that all the time.
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Yeah, you do. You see it all the time. And if you line that up with the CIA's Book of Dirty tricks, which has to do with blackmail on everybody and beyond them, I mean, it's agencies around the world, it's its agencies in other countries. I believe that the Mossad in Israel is part of. And it makes sense for them. I'm not saying that it's all bad. If you're an agency that wants to maintain control, you want to make sure that the people who are placing the votes, the people that are making those bigger decisions that you have, you have an element of control over them. It's just how it works. You and your kids, you know, you grow up, you've got kids, you say, okay, you know, you get Ds on your report card, you're going to get grounded. You've got to have the ability to have a little bit of control. I'm not saying it's good, I'm not saying it's bad. It is real. It is real, and we need to be aware of it. Now, hopefully someday we can get to the point where we don't have that. But sadly, a lot of these institutions are using Some very evil methods controlling humanity.
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Yeah, you've been on so many missions, I'm sure you've saw some familiar faces on some of your missions.
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You know, I led 70 undercover child rescue missions in 15 countries. And the movie Sound of Freedom was about my first rescue in Colombia. You know, I was the wealthy fund manager who quit his job to go help Jim Caviezel in rescuing the kids. After that, I continued that work and saw the darkest that humanity has to offer.
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That must have broke you mentally, right?
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It broke a lot of people mentally. I had Green berets who had 300 missions in Afghanistan and the Middle East. 300 plus. They already had PTSD. They come on one undercover mission with us to find abducted, trafficked children. And when a trafficker shows a menu with pictures of the children and the prices of the different things that they could pay for, it would broke. It would break my operators. So many of them, one undercover mission, they're like, I'm done. I'm done. I can't deal with that level of darkness anymore.
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So it's literally a menu, like on a pamphlet or.
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Yeah, yeah, Literally just like at a restaurant where, you know, you got the COVID and you open it up and you see the pictures of the food and you see the prices and the descriptions. That's exactly what it was. Many, many times.
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That's crazy.
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Yeah. This stuff is real. This stuff is real. And there is sickos out there. Millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions of sickos out there who are looking for menus like that. Wow.
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I can't believe there's that many people.
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Well, the number is as the fact that there's somewhere between 10 to 12 million children being trafficked today tells you there's gotta be a significant demand to uphold that. Right. But beyond that number, you know, 12 million children seems like a massive number. The real number is in the billions. What I mean by the real number is the fact that literally, if there's eight and a half billion people in this world, half of them are women. So there's over 4 billion women. One fourth of all women on the planet were a victim of sexual abuse as a child. As a child in their own homes. And this is something that nobody talks about. This is something that now we're starting to open up these conversations. Since the movie, et cetera. Women are going. You know, and I found this everywhere as I was starting to speak and share, women would come and say, hey, you know what happened to me as a child? You know, this happened. My mother sold me. And whatever here's one thing that's interesting. A lot of parents don't understand that the majority of children who are being sold for these unthinkable things for sex sleep in their own beds at night and the parents don't even know that it's happening. You need a relationship with your children where they can very easily come to you and say, hey dad, hey mom. I don't like it when you tell me to, you know, go hug our cousin or hug our uncle because you know, he did some weird things to me when he, we were sleeping over at his house, you know, or I don't like it when I'm going to this friend's house because you know, his buddies were over there and they, they were, they were talking really sexual and then they were taking pictures of them and then us.
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You know, your kids need to be able to come to you when things are off. Even in this digital world. This is super dangerous and it happens everywhere. It's called sextortion where you need a relationship with your 13 year old where she can come to you and say hey mom, hey dad, I really screwed up. You need to be her911 where she can come to you and say hey you know what, I was playing Minecraft and I met somebody on there or Fortnite or whatever and they convinced me to go over to this other app onto WhatsApp or whatever and then they started texting with me and I thought it was a 13 year old boy. He sent me some pictures of him and told me to send some pictures of me and I did and now he made me send some videos and now he says he's sending them all over the school unless I do this, this, this and this. This is, this is. Chances are that's not a 13 year old boy on the other end. It's a 45 year old dude, right, with a sick problem. And we as parents need to be aware of the digital dangers, the most dangerous things for our kids, right? Now isn't some guy lurking in a black alley. The most dangerous things for our kids is sitting in their pocket in their backpack, right? It's their phone, it's their Internet connection that if their social media is sitting wide open for the whole world to see, there are predators out there that are looking at our kids. I'm okay with kids having, you know, social media, but close it down so that it's just their friends, verified friends that are there that are connected to them. Right? Because otherwise the whole world can see. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, this little Marianne, she's got her ballet practice every Tuesday at this time at this place. You know, she's all posting about this and, you know, they're going in this trip and hey, mom and dad are going out of town for this, whatever it is. These guys are following them. I had multiple undercover operations. I had some in and one in Cancun, Mexico. You know, everybody goes, oh, Cancun is a great place to go. Well, went down to Cancun. There's one of the traffickers down there that was offering children, not only Latina kids, but kids from other countries and kids as young as 7 years old that he had brought in. Well, while how he was getting a lot of his international ones is he would go online and he would scan for any people, any young girls who were in the area that seem like they didn't have parental supervision there. Maybe, you know, some, you know, they were 13 year old and 17 year old. And he would say, hey, I'm. He would reach out to them because they would be tagging where they are and everything else. He'd say, hey, I'm a, I'm a guide in the area. I can take you around on my private boat. You know, it won't cost you anything. You know, they get them out there, they, they drug them, they get pictures of them, they take their passports and do some horrific things. Now, very few of the children who are being taken and trafficked, very few of them come from healthy homes. You know, parents are like, oh, what can I do? I want to. They'll leave the Sound of Freedom movie and they'll say, I want to do something. I want to go rescue kids. The worst thing you can do is go to Mexico and try to go undercover. You're going to get arrested, you're probably going to get shot. The best thing you can do is go home and hug your kids, have those conversations that we just talked about, work on having a healthy nuclear family that's together, because doing that is Going to make sure that your kids are not in those vulnerable positions where they can be moved, they can be taken, etc. But sadly, sadly, there's a huge percentage of children who are in this situation where family members are involved. Right. More than half the kids that we, that we rescued in Southeast Asia, in Thailand were sold by their own families. Wow. I was there like four months ago and there was a family that literally the mom and dad had decided that their 10 year old was their retirement package. Right. Their 10 year old could be prostituted, their 10 year old could be sold and made enough money that mom and dad didn't have to work.
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Crazy.
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This is a sick world. And what's sick about it is that there's a demand for stuff like this. That's what we've got to solve for.
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I wonder if that is fixable. That is some deep rooted issues because it stems from their trauma too. Right.
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The predators absolutely is. Hurt people, hurt other people. Now what I'm going to say next is going to piss some people off. That's all right. We're going to go. Okay. Don't get me wrong on this. The next thing I say, I am not a sympathizer in any way of anybody who hurts a child. That I have literally put my life in danger hundreds of times to ensure that innocence isn't hurt again by these, by these monsters. However, I realized after 10 years of undercover 70 plus missions, 15 countries, I realized that we were just fighting fire with fire. Right? And when you're doing that, when you're fighting fire with fire, something already got burned. In this case, it's the kids. Right? So I thought, how can we fix this before it ever gets to this point? How do we make sure that we prevent the fire before it happens? Well, I thought, well, if I had a time machine, what would I do? I'd go back five or 10 years, I would pull these kids out of hell. Well, even doing that's not going to fix it. You pull 20 kids out of hell and if there's still a demand, 20 more kids would be sucked back into the deepest recesses of hell to fill it. Right. So I thought, how do we fix for the demand? And I realized that almost every one of the traffickers that we arrested were trafficked themselves as children.
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Wow.
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Almost every one of the perpetrators that we arrested were abused themselves as children. Hold on one second. Almost every one of the perpetrators were abused themselves as children. And if I could go back five or 10 years, I would actually sit down with them before they ever cross the line, right? And say, what is going on in your life that makes you think that in any way this is okay? Right? And I have realized. I've realized over the years that if I'm ever, ever judging another human being, now everybody's going, oh, hell yeah, I'm judging that. Yeah. I realize that if I'm ever judging another human being, whether it's for cutting me off on the freeway, whether it's for yelling at me in a grocery store line, whether it's for selling me a child undercover, if I'm ever, ever, ever judging another human being, it's not an 80%, 90%. There is a 100% chance that I don't have all the facts right. I don't know. I don't know if that guy cutting me off in the freeway, I don't know if he. I don't know if his daughter's in the hospital. I don't know if his dad taught him to drive. Like, he might just be an asshole, you know, he probably. I don't know. But I can't judge, right? And I can't hold onto that negativity and hate him all day for it. It's still good that he gets a ticket so that he doesn't put people's lives in danger, but that can happen from a place of compassion for whatever was causing his distress at that time, right? Same thing with the trafficker, right? Yes, he needs to go to jail. We need to make sure that he never hurts innocence again. However, if we're going to solve for this problem, we have to ask ourselves where it came from. And we have to say, is there a way for us to fix that? Now we don't have a time machine, so I can't go back. So, you know, if they've crossed that line, they're wasting my oxygen, right? They've hurt a child. I'm sorry, bro. You're going to spend some time behind bars, right? However. However, we don't have a time machine, but what we do have is hundreds of millions of people who are dealing with addictions, who are dealing with. With. With child sexual abuse of their own. There are now realize this. Don't get me wrong. The majority of people who were abused as children themselves, the majority become protectors. Most of my undercover operators dealt with. With abuse. And that's what I'm hoping for, everyone, is that if you've gone through that, God bless you. If you turn that pain into a win, if you turn that pain into a place of. Of even More compassion of, of protection, et cetera. But inevitably it's going to come out. If you've dealt with that kind of abuse as a child, it's going to come out in anger issues, low self esteem, anxiety, depression, ptsd. Most people addictions, significant addictions that are going to fuel the. I mean, things like pornography addictions fueling that industry and fueling the addictive patterns of many people that start wanting something harder to have that same fix. You know, it's just like any hardcore drug, you need something a little bit harder, a little bit harder to have that same high for some people, and for some people with pornography addictions, a little bit harder is a little bit more grotesque. Or maybe it's forced sex, rape videos or whatever. Or for some people is a little bit younger, A little bit younger. Pretty soon they're fantasizing about things they wouldn't have even thought was attractive five years ago. So these are all things that I have learned over the last 10 years that I believe. Here's the thing. This is dark. I know this is dark. And we talk about child rescue missions and guns to our heads and all this stuff. I can take people into the pit of hell. I have seen the darkest part of humanity. But in doing so, I have come to the light. I have realized that, yes, we're helping all of these children live a better life and get back to their families. But I believe that with what we did with awareness, with the movie, we made even a bigger impact through our foundation, the Child Liberation foundation, and others that I have helped to fund and start, and ones like our friend Glenn, who you know as well, there have been over 7,000 children who are now back with their families. Wow. However, with the movie Sound of freedom, over 70 million people have seen that film, and hundreds of millions of children are safer because of it. And beyond that, with the podcasts that I've been able to be on and your audience, etcetera, I believe that there are even hundreds of millions more who those children are safer today than they were five years ago. Wow.
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I love that. Yeah, you're really impacting on a global level, not just the United States, but this stuff's going on everywhere, right?
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Everywhere.
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You've been to 15 countries, like you said?
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Yeah.
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Is the US one of the biggest players in this space, you'd say, though?
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Yeah, it is. It's. The United States is the. Is the largest producer and consumer of child pornography in the world. This is where the demand is. And sadly, you know, the last, you know, four and a half Years. You know, for four years there, the open border policy, that should have never been a political issue, ever. This wasn't a right or left issue. This was a human trafficking problem. There was 130,000 children a year that were brought across that open border unaccompanied, undocumented minors. And every single day throughout that four years, every single day throughout all of Latin America, children were taken from healthy families. I didn't say wealthy families. You know, these parents don't have the financial means to follow up. But these kids were raped, they were drugged, and then they were taken to the border, many of them. And they were controlled. They were controlled through fear. Said, I know where your mother lives, I know where your sister goes to school. You don't want something bad to happen to them, do you? And so instead, you're going to do exactly what we say, and you're going to take this phone number, you're going to take this address. This is where you're going to be taken to your new sponsor in the U.S. now, granted, there are a lot of good families that we're wanting to help out there, but even those good families, a huge percentage of the kids that were put into those good families ran away very, very quickly. Why? Many of them were being controlled by their traffickers and told, if you don't show up at this house at this time, then bad things will happen to your family. So it's sad. It's sad that all those years of undercover when I was working in Latin America and other places, it was us as the wealthy Americans going down, posing as somebody looking for kids. So the demand was going to the supply. They were able to bring the supply to the demand over those four years.
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What's the typical price people are paying for these kids?
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It's. It varies. When. When we were doing undercover work, we would pay, you know, we would try to get traffickers to bring all the kids that they had to the same place at the same time. We would pay them, you know, $500 per child. If for, you know, 50 kids, it would be $25,000 for one of these little party type things that we would.
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That's not as much as I thought it'd be.
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Well, the. The younger ones, the virgins, they were a thousand. They were up to $5,000, et cetera, 2,000, 5,000. So a lot more with those. But, yeah, it's sad. These k. Little girl that we took down this huge ring that was ranging between Ecuador and Peru, and how we got some of the intel on this Ring is the certification programs that are put together by the Child Liberation foundation for not only law enforcement, but also for people in hospitality that are working in hotels, people in the medical field. Well, these doctors were trained to know what to look for. And this little girl was beat up by one of her traffickers. And she was told this is a sad story. She, her, her, her mother died when she was 8. Her father was a uncontrolled alcoholic. She was sent to live with her uncle and her aunt. By the time she was 10, her uncle was, was abusing her. And she was a, you know, she didn't have any friends, you know, walked to school alone. She was the perfect target for the traffickers. And, and, and just a couple years later she was picked up by the traffickers. And, and she was told, listen, situation there. Anyway, we'll take care of you. You know, you, you, you can buy a nice clothes. We'll take. How about how we get out of here? Let's go to Peru. And they took her to Peru from Ecuador and, and then once she got there, they went shopping with her, bought some nice clothes, took away her phone, took away her passport, introduced her to some other girls that were working and said, you will now earn $1,000 a day minimum. And, and you have to be out there pimping yourself. She was a child, right? You have to be out there pimping yourself and if you don't bring in a thousand, we're going to beat you up. She was only charging $50 a trick. You're talking. She had to sleep with 20 plus guys a night just to be able to bring it in. This is a sick world. So again, anytime that there's a demand for anything, somebody's going to step in to fill that demand. So again, we can sit here and, and say, okay, we'll go in. We pulled out that child out of hell. Yeah, we did. And we arrested all of those traffickers. But what about the sickos that are going down there looking for this? That's what we got to figure out. That's what we have to fix. And yes, we've arrested hundreds and hundreds of them through the foundations that we've worked with. But if we're going to really fix that problem, we can't just pull the children out of hell. We've got to pull the hell out of humanity.
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Have you seen any of those sickos or these traffickers ever turn things around, become normal citizens afterward?
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I don't give them that chance. They cross that line, I hope they stay in jail. For a very, very long time, however, I have seen so many people who I believe were going down a road that could potentially hurt another person. Right? Whether it was people who had severe alcohol addictions, pornography addictions, anger problems, significant childhood trauma that was coming out in behaviors that were super unhealthy as they were living their lives. And I have seen them create massive, massive, massive change.
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Nice.
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I'll tell you about. In fact, if you want me, I can go down the road of that. We run seven day, fully immersive, transformational healing experiences in Latin America using some different types of modalities that frankly, we can't use in the US Right now, but in the very near future, they will be available in the US So I think that it's important for your audience to know the proper use of these tools and how they interact with anxiety, depression, ptsd, addictions, childhood trauma, et cetera.
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Right.
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So quick backstory. Before I got into the child rescue missions years ago, I had a. I had a company that had a few hundred employees is my early 20s. We helped people. We had a workbook, we had audio program videos. We. We worked with a lady by the name of Lucinda who had an attacking anxiety program and some other stuff. And we had over 50,000 people a month calling in off of an infomercial to get help with anxiety, depression, ptsd, addictions, childhood trauma, anger issues, et cetera. These are all things that were being fed. And we had a. It was a cognitive restructuring program. We were going head to head with Big Pharma. You know, they give us anxiety, depression medications, Xanax, Prozac, whatever. And it literally just numbs our emotions. And they're making billions of dollars a year keeping people numb instead of getting down into the heart and really fixing the problem. And so our program helped people change those negative habit patterns of thought that were stemming from past trauma, stemming from past beliefs, etc. So that they could step forward and live a normal life without the help of all that medication. Well, fast forward about seven, eight years ago. I had been doing undercover work for a while, and like I said, we were blowing through these operators, one undercover mission with us. And they just couldn't deal with the PTSD and the negativity. And I had two guys call me, two of my operators, Jimmy and Andy. Jimmy had done 13 missions with me. Andy had done 22 missions. And they called me up on the phone together and they said, paul, do you trust us? And I said, yeah, I trust you with my life. Literally, you know, doing these missions, I'm in charge of talking. They're in charge of making sure I don't die. They said, you need to come to this healing retreat with us now. At the time, you know, said this picture, you know, 10 years ago, 12 years ago, I wasn't. I joke and say I wasn't Paul Hutchinson. I was Paul Hutchinson. I had built a multi billion dollar company. I had a lifestyle that was hedonistic at best, right? You know, I had a. Had a full. I had a basketball court in my basement that I.
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Damn.
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My house had 10 bathrooms, eight private suites. I had seven fireplaces in my house, three kitchens, basketball court in my basement. And I build a stage on the corner with a DJ booth with massive TVs. I mean, we're huge TVs and huge speaker systems. And I put stripper polls on my stage. Okay?
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Wow.
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I was having parties every other weekend. I'd have NBA players, NFL players and half dressed girls. And so when my. And here's the problem. That's the me that got recruited in the beginning to start doing undercover work, right? And it worked well. Why? Because these traffickers were looking for people who had arrogance and greed and lust. And I was filled with it, you know, and so. And I went in. I wasn't doing anything illegal. I was helping the kids. But I was absolutely living in that same energy space, right? And so when they called me up and they said, paul, come to this healing retreat, I'm like, I don't need to heal. I'm Paul FN Hutchins. Everybody wants to be me. They're like, no, you're on your second marriage, headed for a divorce. Your kids don't even talk to you. And you think that you're going to find happiness with one more party, one more car, one more helicopter. I had two helicopters. Who needs two helicopters, right? And so they thought, well, you know, and I was just stuck in this ego space. And so they said, this will be the most transformational experience of your life. And then I told him, I said, I don't know, transformational. I said, I've done transformational stuff. I've done the top. I literally, I know Tony Robbins personally. I've walked across Kohl's with him standing right by my side. I've done transformational stuff. You can't tell me it was the most transformational experience of your life, Shana. That next three days changed everything for me. Everything. It was by far the most transformational experience ever. Ever. Now, this doctor was using some different types of holistic therapy that were thrown under the bus in the late 60s here in the US President Nixon in the late 60s decided he was going to classify all types of psychedelics as Schedule 1 drugs. So I have been told my whole life that things like psilocybin in mushrooms were as dangerous as cocaine. The truth is, and your listeners can look this up, psilocybin is safer than table sugar.
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Wow.
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Never been a case of addiction, Never been a case of overdose. And when used correctly, and this is so important, when used correctly with a trained facilitator in the right environment, you can create 10 and 20 years worth of therapy within a few days. So here's the. Here's the science behind it, just on a high level. When we're kids, when we're 0 to 9 years old, our brain is in a state of hyperneuroplasticity, right? So our subconscious minds are super impressionable as we're soaking in information. You can learn three or four languages at the same time. You can learn how to operate your fingers and your hands and learn how to eat and talk and everything else all at the same time because you have that neuroplasticity in your mind. Over 95% of our life is run by our subconscious mind. So if something happened when you were a child, your uncle did something horrible, you know, touched you in a way, if your father even something simple, your father just says, hey, you know what? You're not smart enough to be in that class. Whatever it is, these things get imprinted into our subconscious mind. And 95% of our life is driven by that subconscious mind. And if you imagine that neuroplasticity is kind of like. Kind of like if you decided to lay a concrete freeway, right, and you didn't smooth it out, instead you just poured it and it just let it sit wherever you drive on that, it's going to be incredibly difficult to drive on it. That's how our life is driving with all of that bumpiness that's there that's coming up. Well, fast forward. In order to make real changes in our subconscious mind, it takes about 21 days to create a new habit, and for some people, a lot longer. If you're trying to root out something dark that happened in your past, or these negative habit patterns of worry and what if thinking, negative expectations, and the perceptions we have of ourselves, all of these things are super difficult to make those changes. Well, a ceremonial dose of psilocybin, we're not talking microdosing, we're talking three to six grams, okay? A ceremonial dose creates a temporary State of neuroplasticity. Now this is very dangerous to do recreationally with some friends at a rave party. Why? Because if you're in that hyper suggestibility state, that neuroplasticity state, and you've got rap music going on over here, you got somebody yelling at his wife over here, you've got somebody, you know, having sex with three girls over here, your mind in that impressionable state could bring new things into your subconscious. That is dangerous. I had a guy who did mushrooms in New York on Halloween night, walked outside, seeing all these ghouls that fucked him up for life, right? So it's super important that you're in the right environment, come in with the right intention, have the right music, the right frequencies, et cetera. And so for me, my experience was this, and I'll tell you how we're now using it to help adults heal from significant childhood trauma. So for me, I didn't have childhood trauma. I had a great childhood, had a healthy home. My trauma was self induced with a massive success at a young age. Billions and billions of dollars of assets under management. All the money you could imag imagine and the fact that I had left the church of my youth about 20 years ago created a situation where I didn't have a connection with God, I didn't have solid moral principles, I didn't have any of those things. And the money just added to the problem, right? And so in that first experience, the facilitator, knowing what I needed to work through, gave me some very specific strains. There's 180 different strains of psilocybin and these will be legalized within the next few years. Both RFK and Donald Trump both have said that they're going to decriminalize the use of psychedelics. It's so important that when that happens, that Americans know how to use it, right? And how it can actually harm them. And so in this environment with the John Hopkins University has some frequency music that can take you through a very specific journey experience. And I had this frequency music on and on. The medicine, as they say, it was the most beautiful, horrific experience of my life. Horrific because I felt in every cell of my being, everything in me, my heart, my soul, everything about me felt as if I was my kids. And their feeling when I cheated on their mom, right, it was like I was them. It felt like I had this, this foot of Satan stepping on my chest and I was 600 miles in the dirt, just couldn't even breathe right. And I told her to switch the playlist because the music, everything says I couldn't handle it. And so, boom, I switched the playlist and I turned it to what I call my. My Jesus list, right? It was this beautiful redemption music. And I could feel God's hand just pulling me out of that 600 mile deep hole down to hell. I could feel all this tar and this soot of all this shit that I did that was coming off me. And then I said to myself, and this was important because I knew that I had this opportunity, this window in time in this neuroplasticity to make real change. So I said to myself, paul, have you learned your lesson? So I consciously, purposely turned it back to that song that was triggering to me, that frequency music song. And then I felt I went down again. And I could feel the pain of the family that broke up because some guy was at my party and slept with a cheerleader and now his wife left him. And then I felt the ripple effect of those actions. Not only his family breaking up and his wife leaving him, but I felt like, you know, saw the future of potentially his daughter, you know, getting, getting raped because she was in a fatherless home, or maybe the boy got involved with drugs or alcohol, whatever else. And the negative effects of one single thing that I was doing that I thought I was being cool was so profound. And I also felt the joy of the kids that we helped to rescue, you know, that was beautiful, as if I was them. It was no separation, no separation between me and you and me and the rest of humanity. I could feel them all. And I could feel the ripple effect of my actions, good or bad, in every way. And it was, it was so transforming in every way that when I was done with that experience, we went out into the living room and I, the facilitator was there and knew some of my intentions, what I was looking for. And I was, I was still a little bit in my ego self. I was, I was done with, you know, that part of debauchery in my life. But I had these beautiful Greek gods. I had these statues, these big bronze statues of Zeus and Poseidon. In the middle was Atlas. You remember the movie Atlas Shrugged, right? Heard of it. So, yeah, this is written about, you know, capitalism, about. About people that are doers and creators. They're holding the world on their shoulders, right? So I told her, I says, I feel a lot like Atlas. I'm holding the world on my shoulders. But look at that statue. Look how strong his, his stomach is. God made me so strong. I, at the time, I had 4,000 employees of my company, right? So I'm like, yeah, you know, but it was still in my ego self. She was just kind of listening to me and play with my ego a little bit. And then she said, she said, paul, she said, I honor that you're seeing some traits in those Greek gods that you're, you know, you're relating to. She said, but you know as well as I do that those were just mythological gods. She said, what about your relationship with him? And she points at the statue of Jesus that I had. And I said, oh, I don't qualify for a relationship with Jesus. She said, well, why not? And, you know, I'm on mushrooms. I'm in this, you know, but then the music's going on. And she, this is curated. This is facilitated on purpose. She says, well, why not, Paul? I said, well, when I left the church of my youth, my bishop told me until I was rebaptized into that church, I grew up lds. I grew up Mormon, right? And I says, my bishop told me that until I was rebaptized back into their church, that I wouldn't have the spirit of God with me. And she said, do you really think that that's true? And I said, well, no, I. I'm a good person. I. I try, I do a lot of charity work. I. I try to help others. She said, paul, why don't you work on that relationship? So here I'm high, as high, you know, I can barely walk. And I go and I grab the statue. She helps me take it down off the mantle, and I, I sit the beanbag, holding that statue for the next two hours, having the most meaningful, connecting, loving conversation with my brother. And after that, it was so transformative to me that I started doing research on it. I became a master facilitator. My daughter became a shaman. And we have now hosted and facilitated almost 80 guided meditation, plant medicine, healing retreat experiences. Starting out with just my operators undercover. I remember that guy who, you know 300 missions and he couldn't handle one with me. He came to me a few months after I had started doing the work, and he said, paul, he said, I've seen so many changes in you. He says, can I tell you something? He said, I. I love my wife, I love my kids, but I don't feel anything. He said, I. Since I was a Green Beret, I. I think I blocked everything. I don't feel anything. And his wife had been on, on anxiety, depression medication for over 20 years now. And so they came together on one of These retreats. And I remember one night is about 10 o' clock at night and we had just finished with one of these ceremony experiences and he came up to me and he was just crying and he said, paul, he said, for the first time in my life I feel everything. I feel love for my wife and from my wife like I've never felt ever. I feel that love for my kids, I feel love for myself. I feel God's love in my life and you know, people, you know, I remember when I told my mom why my huge transformation, I told her, I says I feel closer to God than I've ever felt before. And she joked, she says, you only feel close to God when you're on drugs. I said, mom, I says, it's not like that at all. It's actually the opposite of what you understand. It's a thinning of that veil. There's significant proof. They talk about it in a book called the the Immortality Key. He does research and shows how the early Christian church actually put a little bit of psilocybin in the sacrament. Not so that people could hallucinate and see crazy things, but so that they could thin that veil and have a deeper connection with the spiritual realm. So in fact John Hopkins University, one of their studies, 850 self proclaimed atheists, not agnostic. So I don't know if there's a God at atheists. There is no God, right? 850 self proclaimed atheist. After one single experience with a ceremonial dose with, with a guided meditation experience with psilocybin, one single day, two thirds of those 850 people change their self diagnosis and said no, I am no longer an atheist. Whoa, that's crazy, crazy study, right? So we, we use that not with the kids. We have certification programs to teach the safe house them heal the kids with art therapy and music therapy, etc. And they're pretty easy to help heal because we know what they've been dealing with. The harder ones is some lady who was abused by her own father, who should have loved her unconditionally, abused her as a child and told her to be quiet. And she's now 45 years old, on Xanax, on Zoloft, on all these SSRI medications, can't get off of them. We can go in, get her off those medications, put her into one of these experiences and create real transformative change for her. Now, now we work almost exclusively with what I call tip of the umbrella. It's world leaders and influencers and royalty and people with if we can help Them learn how to lead from the heart and release those things that don't belong to them. Then we can help millions of people. But we are training other facilitators that as soon as it becomes legal in the US they'll be able to run those retreats here.
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That's beautiful.
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So I know that's long, but that's a big part of my life now.
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Thanks for sharing that, because I've tried talk therapy, but I feel like that doesn't get to the root cause.
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It doesn't.
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The subconscious stuff.
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It doesn't. Yeah. It's because of, like we were talking about, you know, that freeway is like, really, really bumpy and whatever. The psilocybin is kind of like a magic wand that turns that concrete back into a flow state. Right now it's in flow state. Now, you can do some things to smooth it out in the right way, or you can reach in and pull out whatever was stuck inside there that was raising its ugly head every time a trigger came up or whatever else. That's what happens is it takes something that's immovable in our subconscious mind, that takes chiseling to try to get to turns it into that flow state, and together with a trained facilitator can go in, remove those things that don't belong to you and. And smooth it out in a way where you can live a healthy life.
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Yeah. What a transformation. You were on top of the world. You had an ego death, huh?
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I did. It was ego death is the word, Sean. I've heard that before in every way. In every way. It was. It was. It was powerful.
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I'm glad you are helping other people go through that too, because there's so many veterans that need that.
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Right? Yeah. Yeah. And that's where we're starting, is in. In the US we're starting on. On ways to legalize it when it comes to the veterans, because we got over 20. I think a number right now is like 22 veterans a day who are committing suicide.
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There's a lot right now with all the stuff getting exposed about previous wars and how they were orchestrated. There's a lot of them going through mental health issues right now because they felt like their purpose is kind of not there anymore, you know?
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Exactly. And there's a lot of different therapies. I mean, there's everything from. And psychedelics starts at the bottom with something like ketamine. I'm not a fan of ketamine, really, because, number one, it's synthetic, and that's why it's the only one that's legal in the US is because big pharma can control it and they can make money from you. Right? So it's synthetically produced. Number two, it's addictive. The other ones aren't. Ayahuasca is not addictive. Psilocybin is not addictive. Ibogaine is not addictive. None of these other ones are addictive, but the ketamine is. And so, and it's almost like another form of a band Aid, people have to keep going back every two weeks and get a ketamine treatment. People come into one of our retreats and I tell them, listen, success is I don't ever see you here again. Success is we stay in touch and hear your continued progression of your journey. But we don't want you to come back every year. We want you to come, let's get this done, let's go deep, let's fix this problem. So you're not on your medication, you're not going back to your doctors and you don't have to come and see us again.
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Where can people support you? Paul, I know you got the book.
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Yeah, Sound of Freedom book. You know, if people have seen the movie Sound of Freedom, they like I say it creates great awareness, but there's not a lot of actual tools that we can use as parents to keep our kids safe. So the book is divided into four sections. The first section, about four chapters, is, we call it the Making of Undercover Operators. Really it's what we learned in situational awareness and hand to hand combat. And these are actionable things that, in detail that parents can use to be more aware, to know the signs, to look for, etc. Etc. To keep their kids safe. Then the next two sections are about the rescue on the island. We have some other rescues that are included as part of that. So you can kind of see some of the things that were put together for the, for the movie and other things as well. The last section, the last five chapters is all about liberating humanity. What does that look like? How do we free ourselves from this? How do we make sure that we don't have to have our kids and great grandkids coming down with a situation where they're dealing with even more kids today that are being trafficked. Right? How do we fix this for good? How do we free humanity? How do we not just pull the kids out of hell, but like I said earlier, pull the hell out of the adults so that we can lead with love? In fact, I talk about in there and this is such an important little principle. I call it tension transfer. Pretend like you go to work and you're having a super bad day and you're dealing with some anger issues because of something that you need to release in your life, whatever else. And you go and you yell at an employee. And that employee goes home and yells at his wife, and his wife goes home and then she yells at the little boy and the little boy kicks the dock dog. Literally, that kicking of that dog was attention transfer. That came from you, right? Now let's pretend like it's me that's out of alignment. Let's say that I go to work and I yell at an employee. But what I didn't realize is that that employee, when he was a kid, he was severely abused. And because of that abuse, he made a whole bunch of really bad decisions that led him into drug and alcohol abuse and then some pornography stuff. And let's say that his pornography addiction has escalated to the point where he's looking at something a little bit younger. A little bit younger, right? And let's say he also has a alcohol problem and his wife just left him because of that. And let's pretend like this is the weekend that he gets his 12 year old daughter and her little cousin, okay? Now me yelling at him at work, that tension transfer to him, me being out of integrity. He goes home, he gets drunk, his little girl comes, his cousin comes. He's already going down that dark road. Now that tension transfer from me literally harmed a child, right? So we all have to look in the mirror. We all have to take responsibility for the man that we are, for the person we are. I love the story of the, the man on the couch where he's sitting there and he's, he's, he's, he's just reading the newspaper. His little boy comes in, daddy, daddy, I want to play baseball. He's like, oh no, I'm busy right now. He's not busy, he's reading paper, right? And the little boy comes back a little bit later. Daddy, daddy, can we please play baseball today? It's a pretty day outside. And the dad, he turns the page of the paper and he sees this map of the world and he has this idea. He tears out that picture of the map, he tears it up into little teeny pieces of paper and he throws it on the floor. He says, son, you need to learn your geography. You go get some tape. You tape together every single country exactly where it's supposed to be. And as soon as you do that, I'll Go play baseball with you. He thinks it's going to take hours, right? Like, five minutes later, the little boy comes back and literally the whole thing is perfect. And the dad's like, what did you do? How did your mom help you? What happened? And little boy says, no. He turns it over. He says, there was a picture of a man on the other side. I just put the man together, and the whole world came together. That's really the answer to the riddle right there. Every one of us need to look in the mirror and we need to say to ourselves, what is going on in my life that's making me go down these roads? What do I need to release? What do I need to take responsibility for? What cords do I need to cut? What relationships do I need to help to create? And which ones do I need to release so that I can move forward and be the highest and best version of myself? So these are all things that are contained in the Sound of Freedom book that help us learn how we can step into that divine path that each of us have.
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I love that. Check out the book, guys. We'll link your socials below and your charity as well. Thanks for coming on again, Paul.
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Thank you. Thank you for having me.
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Absolutely. Check them out, guys. I'll see you next time. I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm.
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Thank you.