Proud Boys Founder Exposes What Mainstream Media Doesn't Want You to Know DSH #1832

Summary

Digital Social Hour – DSH #1832

Episode Title: Proud Boys Founder Exposes What Mainstream Media Doesn't Want You to Know
Date: February 19, 2026
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: (Implied) Gavin McInnes, Proud Boys Founder

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Episode Overview

In this highly controversial and unfiltered conversation, host Sean Kelly sits down with the founder of the Proud Boys at the World War Debate event. The discussion covers political polarization in America, media narratives, culture wars, the personal consequences of public activism, education, identity, and the state of journalism today. The guest shares personal anecdotes, critiques of both left and right politics, and reflects on the fallout from his own notoriety. The tone is candid, provocative, and at times inflammatory.

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Main Themes & Key Points

1. Personal Costs of Political Engagement

• Anecdote on Family Fallout:
  • The guest opens with a raw account of personal loss due to his involvement in founding the Proud Boys, describing how his activism led to losing his daughter two years sooner than expected ([00:00], [41:00-41:44]).
    • Quote: “I lost my daughter when she was 16… You robbed my daughter from me. For what? Because I started the Proud Boys? …So the left has this level of unity that is… bizarre. I mean, I wish the right had more unity, but the left needs less unity.” – Guest ([00:00], [41:00])

2. America’s Political Divide: “Not a War, a Divorce”

• “Divided States” Metaphor:
  • The guest dismisses the idea that America is in a third world war, suggesting instead it’s like a messy national divorce, with ideologically different regions coalescing ([01:03-01:30]).
    • Quote: “No, I think we’re in a divorce. I think America just divorced itself… We’re divvying up land now. It’s post war in many ways.” – Guest ([01:03-01:30])
• No Middle Ground:
  • Discussion on how both left and right see the same scenarios with totally distinct interpretations—referenced through viral events and memes ([02:17-02:33]).

3. Nature, Nurture, and Social Behavior

• Brain Differences, Genetics & Environment:
  • Claims about differences between liberals and conservatives, and debates whether sexual orientation is learned or innate, with some controversial, unsupported claims about abuse and sexuality ([02:35-03:31]).
    • Controversial Quote: “I think as far as lesbians go, I think 90% of them were molested. So I should have made that clear.” – Guest ([02:54])
• Life Path & “Simulation Theory”:
  • Discusses whether life outcomes are “programmed” or predetermined ([05:09-05:55]).

4. Education, IQ, & Post-secondary Disillusionment

• IQ’s Centrality:
  • Host and guest swap stories about their own IQs and family histories, arguing high IQ outstrips education in determining success ([06:50-07:16], [14:04-15:03]).
    • Quote: “IQ is everything… I’m looking at these schlubs… you’re not different than me, you’re just dumb. You don’t get math. Gambling is. And I’m sick of it.” – Guest ([07:17])
• University as a “Ripoff”:
  • Critiques post-secondary education, arguing it no longer guarantees opportunity and saddles students with debt for no return ([16:18-18:14]).
    • Quote: “If people go to good schools, they get rich. No, it’s sort of like…we came up with this dumb concept of fancy schools make you rich.” – Guest ([16:18-17:32])

5. Culture, Race, and Stereotypes

• Asian Stereotypes & Cultural Theories:
  • Conversation on Asian driving stereotypes, conformity, and theories tying personality traits to historical trauma such as Mao’s Cultural Revolution ([19:09-21:13]).
    • Quote: “Maybe that’s why they drive bad. Because Mao killed anyone adventurous and they’re all pussies now.” – Guest ([21:12])
  • Discussion on language learning and conformism in Taiwan ([21:17-22:49]).

6. Antisemitism, Media, and Social Taboos

• The “Pressure Cooker” Theory:
  • The guest theorizes recent surges of antisemitism are in part due to longstanding suppression leading to backlash ([23:31-24:00]).
    • Quote: “…there’s been this pressure cooker of no antisemitism for so long that it’s just fucking coming out.” – Guest ([24:01])
  • Critique of simplifying the world’s problems to “the Jews” and drawing comparisons to other groups’ victim mentalities ([26:18-27:45]).

7. The State of Journalism and Social Media

• Media’s Role & Integrity:
  • Skepticism about professional journalism versus independent reporting. Praises Elon Musk and the democratization of news on social media, especially in the UK ([33:27-37:10]).
    • Quote: “That’s the amazing thing about media and journalism in this day and age…there’s all these amazing stories just sitting there rotting.” – Guest ([33:27])
  • “Politics is Hollywood for ugly people, and the media is politics for uglier people.” – Guest ([34:25])

8. Violence, Security, and Activist Backlash

• On Personal Threats:
  • The guest describes harassment, vandalism, and the need for security due to political activism ([40:30-41:37]).
  • Discusses critics and unity on the left as compared to the right ([41:37-42:34]).

9. Pop Culture, Comedy, and Social Status

• Commentary on Howard Stern, Jimmy Kimmel, and staying loyal to one’s roots ([43:26-44:54]).
• Jokes about social class, flying first class, and whether to extend “perks” to friends and children ([45:00-45:53]).

10. Preview: The Debate Event

• The guest is set to serve as a commentator at the event, aims to keep it light and avoid over-indulging in alcohol ([46:04-46:17]).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Political Division:
  • “We’re not at war, we’re just done. We don’t like each other. We’re not interested in working it out.” – Guest ([01:10])
• On University & Debt:
  • “Surely at some point, like…the younger sisters of the older sister who has this stupid car are going to go, ‘I don’t want that car. It’s a ripoff.’” – Guest ([18:14])
• On Friendship and Ideological Differences:
  • "What kind of faggot lets a difference of opinion affect your friendship?" – Guest ([29:11])
• On Media and Truth:
  • “Every time the media covers something you’re really invested in… you realize this is all horseshit. And then you turn the page and you read about Palestine or something and you’re like, I believe everything I read now.” – Guest ([35:29])
• On Personal Consequences:
  • “Having to send my daughter to boarding school when she was like, 17, 16…You robbed my daughter from me. For what? Because I started the Proud Boys? … So the left has this level of unity that is... bizarre.” – Guest ([41:00])

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Key Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment / Topic | |-----------|-------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00 | Personal loss; consequences of activism; opening statements | | 01:03 | Are we in a “world war” or a “divorce”? | | 02:35 | On genetics, brain scans, and controversial claims | | 07:17 | IQ and success | | 14:04 | Family background, education, and success | | 16:18 | University as a “scam” and class action analogy | | 19:09 | Asian stereotypes and genetic/cultural theories | | 23:31 | Antisemitism and social pressure cooker theory | | 26:18 | Anti-Semitic rhetoric vs. actual reality | | 27:45 | Interviewing tips and critiques of current media | | 33:27 | The state of journalism vs. independent reporting | | 35:29 | Incompetence in mainstream media | | 41:00 | Personal security and consequences for family | | 43:26 | On Howard Stern and class loyalty | | 46:04 | Commentary role at debate event; plans |

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Episode Tone & Style

• Tone: Frank, provocative, uncensored, sardonic, often confrontational
• Style: Back-and-forth dialogue, punctuated by personal anecdotes, bold statements, and controversial humor
• Notable: Content includes strong language, some sections may be considered offensive/insensitive

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For Listeners

If you’re interested in hearing a raw, combative take on politics, culture, and media from a self-described right-wing provocateur, this episode dives into the personal fallout of political engagement, critiques of contemporary education and journalism, and the nature of ideological conflict in modern America.

Note: The episode contains contentious and sometimes inflammatory comments. Listener discretion is advised.

Transcript

[Sean Kelly]

I lost my daughter when she was 16. For what? Because I started the proud boys. I didn't like Charlie Kirk talking to those students. I think he was casting pearls before swine. Don't waste your time with these. They want us dead. And I've been screaming that the left is unhinged. I don't even know where you are in the political spectrum. I'm slightly conservative, slightly right of center. They want to put a. In your head. They wanted. Violently Right. And if you were killed, if you were assassinated right now, there would be little viral videos of Sean. Callie's gone. Thoughts and prayers, jokes about your bullet hole in your head. So when he died, I sort of went, see, that's what I've been screaming. They're mental patients, especially the trans.

[Podcast Host]

All right. We are at World War debate, the first event. We are two hours late.

[Sean Kelly]

You said world War.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I meant world war. Sorry.

[Sean Kelly]

World War. I don't know if you know this. You're very young. There was two world wars. I do know that, actually. Yeah. In the 1900s.

[Podcast Host]

People think we're in a third one right now.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Do you think we are?

[Sean Kelly]

No, I think we're in a divorce. I think America just divorced itself. Really?

[Podcast Host]

Do you think we're just divided right now?

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. We don't like each other. We're not interested in working it out, but we're going to find different areas to move to. You get. I don't mean you, but, you know, they get California, we get Florida, and Texas, they get New York. It's just we're. We're divvying up land now. It's post war in many ways. Like, you know, after World War II, they. They're like, let's make a Pakistan. Let's make an Israel. That's what we're doing now. Yeah. Like, let's make a Texas. Let's make a Florida. We're not fighting anymore.

[Podcast Host]

You just think we're all settling for what we got.

[Sean Kelly]

Well, we're like. Like, you're. You're straight, right?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I think so.

[Sean Kelly]

But, like, if you were to watch Gay, you'd be like, that's not my cup of tea. What the. And that's how liberals are. Like this woman who killed the ICE agent. Like, I don't consider her story for a nanosecond. Conversely, the left doesn't consider our ICE agent story for a nanosecond. Like, she was murdered.

[Podcast Host]

As far as. Which is crazy, because the new footage today that came out clearly shows she tried to run that guy over, you

[Sean Kelly]

know, the dress, like the, the red and blue dress, the black and gold dress. Yeah, yeah, that was. That's where we're at. We're looking at the same thing and we have totally different interpretations. So that's not a war. Like, we're done.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. There's almost no middle ground, Right?

[Sean Kelly]

Exactly. Yeah, there's no middle ground.

[Podcast Host]

It's interesting. They've done brain scans on. I don't know if you've seen this on Democrats versus Conservatives. And there's actual physical differences in the brain.

[Sean Kelly]

Really?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, it's very interesting. Like, left. People on the left are more stubborn.

[Sean Kelly]

Well, I think you are who you are from birth. Including gays, by the way.

[Podcast Host]

But you don't think that's learned through Hollywood?

[Sean Kelly]

I think there is definitely an element of someone's. Especially lesbians were molested and stuff. So let's get into percentages. I think as far as lesbians go, I think 90. 90% of them were molested. So I should have made that clear.

[Podcast Host]

That high. Yeah, I gotta look into that.

[Sean Kelly]

I didn't know that. Horny.

[Podcast Host]

They. They have the highest. Yeah, they don't need to ask. They have the highest divorce rate.

[Sean Kelly]

Right, Exactly. Yeah. By far, 99 divorce rate.

[Podcast Host]

But meanwhile, gay guys have the lowest.

[Sean Kelly]

Gays. I'm totally different. Stat. I. I would Wager that like 20% of them were molested and they became gay.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Like, imagine sucking a dick. What's. Yeah, it's.

[Podcast Host]

It's gotta be hard, right?

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. Like, I don't like eating oysters.

[Podcast Host]

You don't like eating pussy?

[Sean Kelly]

No, I love eating pussy. That's probably a bad analogy. But, like, I don't like food. I don't like. Yeah. But a dick. So my point is, it's. It's a real big hurdle to go over to become a homosexual man. Yeah. So I don't really see it being something that happens when you had a bad childhood. But. But I think that whole genetic trait from birth could link to everything, like religion, you know, I want. Like. My dad's an atheist. My dad is not even an atheist. He's an anti theist. Wow. He hates God. And Catholicism just sort of like, came to me against all odds. So I think it was, you know, in my chemical composition, my religious beliefs.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, so you were born believing in God, you think? No, I was.

[Sean Kelly]

Well, yes, sort of. I was born. Well, I was born an atheist because my dad told me that God is dead. But, you know, it just. After my daughter was born, I just naturally became a Christian. And I think this has been proven by the way. Identical twins separated at birth. It's happened about 13 times. They find some Asian girl. One grew up in Paris, she's upper middle class. One grew up in Oklahoma, she's blue collar. They're both in the film industry. They both drive a Honda Civic. They both have a Golden Lab.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Sean Kelly]

Their husbands look similar. Like, this has happened again and again and again.

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy. So it's almost like life is programmed in a certain degree.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. You can fuck it up. You can become a junkie, but, you know, you are like, I wanted to be an artist when I was younger. I'm not very talented in that field. I wanted to become a musician. I wanted to be in a band. Like, I want to play guitar. I took guitar lessons.

[Podcast Host]

Nope, wasn't in your code.

[Sean Kelly]

It was like, no.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. It wasn't in your destiny.

[Sean Kelly]

And then writing and storytelling, which I wasn't particularly interested in, had dividends. I was like, okay, I guess I'll pursue this almost against my will.

[Podcast Host]

So simulation theory. Sounds like you might believe in that.

[Sean Kelly]

What's that?

[Podcast Host]

Simulation theory. How. How everything's kind of programmed.

[Sean Kelly]

Did those guys just steal a sweatshirt?

[Podcast Host]

Did that.

[Sean Kelly]

So simulation theory is what again?

[Podcast Host]

It's basically like we're all in a simulation. We're all in a video game. A lot can be explained through numbers.

[Sean Kelly]

You know what that sounds like, too? That sounds like atheists just trying to duplicate the Bible. It is a simulation. It's God. God set us up. God made us here. So, yeah, you could argue it's a simulation, but we were created by God. It's his simulation. But I definitely believe. Like, I. I don't want you to think I don't believe in free will, but I do think, like, I could have pushed you out of a plane over Columbia when you were four years old, and you'd be doing something similar to this at this age. And you'd be doing a good job.

[Podcast Host]

Makes sense.

[Sean Kelly]

I mean it. Really. The elephant in the room with all this talk is IQ. Like, you probably have a pretty high IQ.

[Podcast Host]

You're 136.

[Sean Kelly]

Seem to be part shank.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, my dad was 1, 160. My Irish alcoholic father, 160. Read a book a day. Really combine that with my Asian mom's work ethic. Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Superhero.

[Podcast Host]

Not bad. Not bad at all.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

IQ is important, though.

[Sean Kelly]

It's everything.

[Podcast Host]

It's very important.

[Sean Kelly]

Like, we're here in Atlantic City, and I'm looking at these schlubs just pushing the Buttons and spending their money. And I'm just like, you're not different than me. You're just dumb. You don't get math. Gambling is. And I'm sick of it.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I mean, I live in Vegas and I don't gamble. You can't gamble. Logically, it doesn't make sense.

[Sean Kelly]

My wife's. My family's. Native American. My wife's Native American America. And they have a casino, the Ho Chunk Casino. And my wife loves it. She loves blackjack. And I'm like, the only way to sort of not lose your shirt is to plot along and do small bets. And like a crew chips slowly and cautiously over 12 hours. That's work. I'm at McDonald's right now. I'm making Big Macs. I don't enjoy that. I'm done with gambling forever.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, so you had a little advice of gambling?

[Sean Kelly]

No, no, not at all. But you know, your friends meet you in Atlantic City, they meet you in Vegas. I'm done. Like, like a religion? Like, I don't do that. Yeah. Like, I'm a vegetarian when it comes to gambling. I'm fucking done.

[Podcast Host]

What about alcohol?

[Sean Kelly]

Love it. I'm on it right now. My goal tomorrow for this thing is to not be wasted.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. Yeah, that's going to be hard.

[Sean Kelly]

It's not that hard. It's like doing 50 push ups. It's very uncomfortable. It hurts your inner arms, but you can do it and then get annihilated after.

[Podcast Host]

I guess I had on brick flare. I think he said he drank like 30 years straight.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, me too. I'm 55, 14. I've probably been drinking for 40 years. Holy shit.

[Podcast Host]

Well done.

[Sean Kelly]

Thank you very much. Thank you.

[Podcast Host]

Well done.

[Sean Kelly]

Well, I'm Irish, right. I'm Scottish. It's. It's. We've been doing it for generations. My wife is an Indian. Her mother, like, she's been drinking for maybe two generations, maybe three. Like, we invented booze. Yeah. Mead. So I'm better at it than her.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. When I went to Ireland, they. They eat breakfast at the pub over there.

[Sean Kelly]

My bar is packed at 10. 8.

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy. Jammed your bar here in New York?

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. Irish bar.

[Sean Kelly]

Yep. The Duck in Mironic. It's busy at 10. Wow. I can't do that. I gotta. With me for drinking. I have to have done a thing.

[Podcast Host]

Gotta earn it.

[Sean Kelly]

You gotta earn it. Like build a fence. I don't know. Even doing a podcast. Like, I would consider this doing a thing.

[Podcast Host]

I consider a podcast working.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

These days I have a Theory.

[Sean Kelly]

You have two things in you a day. So you put a number seven on your mailbox and you do a podcast. That's two. You're good. That's all you got.

[Podcast Host]

You're content with two. Two things.

[Sean Kelly]

And if you do four things a day, like, say you do your taxes, you do a podcast, you put a letter on your mailbox, and you build a fence. That's four doozies. Tomorrow you're doing nothing. You're just gonna be a zombie, I feel, not because you did your extra two.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, speaking of taxes, are you gonna partake in this IRS strike people are talking about? No, you're gonna pay your taxes.

[Sean Kelly]

What am I, dead? So, Washington or. No, I was meant to say Wesley Snipes. I get my black skin, basically.

[Podcast Host]

I know. That's the guy from.

[Sean Kelly]

He was Blade. Blade.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. He just said, I'm not paying $7 million. So he went to jail. Yeah, they. They thought of that. They thought of not paying taxes. It's in the cards.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

My dad is like. He's a Glaswegian, working class, poor kid. He's rich now, but he grew up poor. And he would always have these fucking gypsy plans, like, how about this? I buy your house for $50,000, and then you buy my house for $50,000,and then we sell it back to each other for a dollar, and then we rent from each other and lease. And he's like, ask your accountant. So I have. I'm not dumb. I have Jewish accountants. And I call my accountant, and he's like, what? No. People thought of this before. They thought of buying your house from your dad for a 10% market value. I like the concept because I would argue that when you pay taxes. I was just talking about this this week. I think it's 90% wood chipper.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Like, even education. Go ask. My. My. My. I have teenagers now. All my kids are teens. But if I were to ask them anything about George Washington, besides first president, they would know nothing. And America has the most scintillating history out of any country in the world. And they managed to make American history. Boring. My kids don't know that he worked for the British military. They don't know that he didn't want to be president. They didn't know that, you know, he wanted to just be a farmer after. They don't know about his discovery of guerrilla warfare when the Brits were fighting the Indians and he was with the Brits. Lord Duquesne, you know, the French fort. None of that. So. So all the money I pay, I think my taxes for education I believe are about 12 grand a year. That's not my property tax, it's just education.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Sean Kelly]

That's just for the.

[Podcast Host]

The public school.

[Sean Kelly]

You send your kids to public school? Holy. And it's. They did a play at my kids high school. Romeo and Romeo.

[Podcast Host]

No.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Stop it.

[Sean Kelly]

So you know what that does? That just tells all the jocks that Shakespeare is gay. Not just Shakespeare, but old timey literature is gay.

[Podcast Host]

I would have pulled my kids out. Yeah, Romeo and Romeo. That's not enough for you to pull them out?

[Sean Kelly]

Well, I'm too lazy to homeschool, sir.

[Podcast Host]

Facts. That's a lot of work.

[Sean Kelly]

I'm like Joe Strummer. He didn't give a about school for his daughters. Like they had to work to get like a tutor. Because he was like, let's go, let's skip school. Like I would take my kids, my sons, to the Mets game, I go, let's skip school, let's go to the Mets game. And like I can't, we have a test tomorrow. I'm like, test? What are you a.

[Podcast Host]

We got through it, but I feel like it's only gotten worse. Where'd you grow up?

[Sean Kelly]

Jersey.

[Podcast Host]

Kind of liberal state. Bridgewater.

[Sean Kelly]

What's that near? What's the biggest town in Bridgewater? It's near.

[Podcast Host]

We're known for the mall. It's probably close to like Newark and Princeton, like 30, 40 minutes. But those blacks. No, all Asians and whites. Upper middle class. Everyone got a car. Paid for by the parents when they turned 16.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, cool. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Other than me, ritzy.

[Sean Kelly]

Were your parents, what are you, middle class?

[Podcast Host]

Upper middle, yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

What's your dad's job?

[Podcast Host]

He was a computer programmer. Super high iq, nerd. Just on a computer all day.

[Sean Kelly]

My dad too, in a way. Yeah. He was an engineer. He worked at Computing Devices Canada. He was. He's a Scottish dude. Poor guy. But he got a gig after he got a PhD in physics at Glasgow University. He went to London, where there's a lot of jobs for smarty pants. And then Canada was like, computers are big. It's the 70s, we want a Silicon Valley, so we don't have that. Go to Britain and find anyone with a degree that's remotely sciency and they can have a house and a citizenship. Not a nice house, like an apartment.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

And they took advantage of that. And that's when I was five, we moved to Canada. But yeah, my dad's a total drunk, Very violent dude. Great dad, awesome guy. We're best friends. He's my hero, but he's a gypsy. He's a street kid, but because he has a high iq. I mean, we've always had money and been successful.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. My dad, he wasn't violent, but he was drunk for sure. He got the shipped out of him by his dad, though.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. That's how it was back in the day.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Especially growing up on a farm.

[Sean Kelly]

My grandfather beat the out of all my uncles, but not my dad because he had good grades. Wow. So he was. And there's obviously some resentment for that.

[Podcast Host]

I bet. Yeah. They probably hate him, his brothers.

[Sean Kelly]

It's. You know what? It's all based on a. A typo. Like, people see guys go to Harvard and Yale and MIT and get rich and they go, oh, okay, it's all about education. We have to go to fancy Ivy League schools. And then you're rich and you're just as smart as you just as smart as you just work hard. That's not fucking true. Harvard and Yale are the NBA, they're the MLB. They're for the top 1%. So I know that a poor guy like my dad went to Glasgow University, he got his PhD and then he got rich. Like I was saying with you earlier, I could have pushed my dad out of a plane over the Bermuda Triangle when he was 7, and he'd have a little coconut stand set up in a few weeks and then he'd be doing coconut fucking exports. Imports. Yeah. For he'd figured it out, he'd be killing it in Barbados or wherever the Bermuda Triangle is. So. And Obama was all about this too. He's like, we need education. And so that's based on a logical fallacy. If people go to good schools, they get rich. No, it's sort of like, you know, the Beethoven for babies, that classical music thing, how it raises their iq. Yeah, yeah. It's horseshit high iq. Parents care about their kids, so they get the fucking baby classical music CDs and play them. That's. Those kids were already doing great. They genetically have high IQs. So we came up with this dumb concept of fancy schools make you rich. And then Obama said everyone needs to go to college. And obviously if everyone has to come to this store, right, this artist playground pop up, everyone gets a sweatshirt. Well, we got to lower the price of the sweatshirts to four bucks. And we're probably losing money on the sweatshirts at this point. So the quality of post secondary education went down to nothing. It's retardville. I think kids come out dumber when they go to school.

[Podcast Host]

They're definitely more programmed.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, yeah. We stole this land from the Indians. Blacks built the Empire State Building. Slaves built America. Like, just garbage. And then they go into the workforce with words like hegemony. And employers are like, no one talks like that, dude. Intersectionality. No one says that. So I don't like you. Yeah. And now you're $250,000 in debt with this stupid Klingon language that ostracizes you from everyone. Reasonable.

[Podcast Host]

The rat race.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You know?

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Well, hats off to them for developing that. It's pretty smart, but I think it'll come to an end eventually.

[Sean Kelly]

It's got to, like, say you had a car dealership and you said, this car is very expensive. It's $300,000, but you'll get rich driving it, and you'll become the, I don't know, best Uber driver in the world. The car doesn't even fucking work. It breaks down on a daily basis. And now you have a $300,000 car you have to pay off and you didn't make any money. Surely at some point, like, the. The younger sisters of the older sister who has this stupid car are going to go, I don't want that car. It's a ripoff. And I think they have a case for a class action suit. Like, you sold me this concept of a post secondary Ivy League education was going to make me rich, and now I'm $300,000 in debt. You robbed me. I. The Asians definitely have a class. Oh, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You had to have a 4 or 5 GPA to get into Ivy League as an Asian.

[Sean Kelly]

How is that not the biggest cash cow in the world right now?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I lied on mine. I said I was white. I got. I got by. Sean Kelly's a pretty white name. So they didn't ask anything?

[Sean Kelly]

Did they notice that you were going pee pee in people's Coke?

[Podcast Host]

Nah. Asians do that.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, Me Chinese. Me play joke. Me go pee pee in your Coke.

[Podcast Host]

I haven't heard that one.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, really?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, That's a new one.

[Sean Kelly]

Generational, I guess.

[Podcast Host]

I hear the. The dog one a lot.

[Sean Kelly]

Ching Chong and I invented one Chinese driver.

[Podcast Host]

No survivor that I agree with. My mom is awful at driving.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, my God. You drive on Chinatown in New York and there's just flip flops. I refuse to let people have been hit.

[Podcast Host]

I cancel my Ubers if they're Asian.

[Sean Kelly]

Really? Why?

[Podcast Host]

It's bad, dude. Because first of all, they drive super slow. But also they don't look when they're turning, changing lanes.

[Sean Kelly]

Is it the eyes? Can they not see?

[Podcast Host]

That has to be part of it. It's something genetic, though, because it is the whole Asian race. So there's something there.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. They're terrible at fucking driving.

[Podcast Host]

Someone needs to figure out why. There has to be a logical.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, it could be this sort of conformist culture of I don't want to, you know, be adventurous. And driving is kind of a. I mean, you're kind of a pioneer, kind of foraging. You're kind of like going your own way.

[Podcast Host]

That's a good theory.

[Sean Kelly]

You gotta make like a brave move. I'm gonna get in this lane. Yeah, you gotta kind of. And, And I would argue Mao altered the DNA of the Chinese anyway. Maybe not Cambodia and fucking Japan, but he definitely altered the DNA of the Chinese where he killed 80 million people in the Cultural Revolution. And that was artists and teachers and. And people who were creative. You kill 80 million people, I think you alter the DNA.

[Podcast Host]

Wow, that's a good theory. Yeah, I haven't heard that one.

[Sean Kelly]

Like say you, you kill, I don't know, every aggressive person, anyone who starts any fight, you just pow. You're going to have this very sort of tepid, soft population genetically.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

So maybe that's why they drive bad. Because Mao killed anyone adventurous and they're all pussies now.

[Podcast Host]

I think you solved it, man.

[Sean Kelly]

Because I. I taught and I lived in Taiwan for a while.

[Podcast Host]

Oh yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

In Taipei. And I would. I would teach kids. None of the white guys wanted to deal with kids for some reason, but I would do it all because I would them. I'm a pedophile, but I would go to that. No, I. I love. I had a very younger brother. He was 14 years younger. So I always loved kids. And I didn't him. That was a joke. But I would happily do any kindergarten classes, any of that. And I was the only one. So I got paid pretty good. And you could do whatever the you want in China. They don't care about. And I consider Taiwan China. They don't care about how well the kids speak English. They just want the kids to have a good association with English. So if you just had a clown nose and went like English, English. And the kids laughed. Done great job. So my thing was, I would teach them the song Transformers More Than Meets the Eye, the Transformers, Robots in the Sky. And when I was one on one with these kids, they nailed it. Transformers more than me side so 99 there. And then we'd be in the classroom, same kids. And they were like, tran pama madha ma da da Tamara. I'm like, what the fuck happened to your robots in the sky, dude? Wow. And it was this need to conform. Interesting. Which may have been Mao's genetic engineering. Accidental genetic engineering.

[Podcast Host]

That's some North Korea shit right there.

[Sean Kelly]

It totally is. Wow.

[Podcast Host]

I didn't know that was happening in China too.

[Sean Kelly]

And you know with World War II, with Russians. They hate fags. Yeah. Maybe they hate fags because all their men are dead and they want heterosexuals to breed. Or you look at Britain right now with sending someone to jail for saying faggot. Yeah. Maybe all the brave men are dead from World War II. Yeah. And you alter the DNA of England by K. By killing everyone brave.

[Podcast Host]

What about all the Jewish hate right now? What's causing that? You think it's a great question?

[Sean Kelly]

I think it might be being unable to say anything for so long. So you're not allowed to say anything bad about your big sister ever. Your dad would beat the out of you, and she's a to you. Then your dad, like, divorces your mom, whatever. And you can say whatever the. Whatever the fuck you want to your sister. So you're just like, you're a fucking whore, you stupid bitch. Fuck you. You don't really hate your sister.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

But there's been this pressure cooker of no anti Semitism for so long that it's just fucking coming out. And I think the danger with antisemitism is that's the impetus, Right? The pressure cooker. You can finally call your sister a whore, but it becomes this crutch where if it rains on your birthday, it's because your sister's a whore. And a lot of my friends, they just. They bring it back to the fucking Jews every time. Like I. Even today I was tweeting this. I was a cartoonist before I got into media. And in Canada, the moguls of the cartoon industry are Chester Brown, a guy named Seth, and this other guy named Matt Jones. They did a movie about their lives and they had a black guy play Seth. And I said I thought it was funny. Seth is this dude. He. He uses like a typewriter. He has no electronics in his house. He lives like, it's 1920. He dresses in 1920.

[Podcast Host]

That's actually sick.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, it's cool. Well, he says he just. He came out with it because he was cheap and he had no money, but he doesn't use anything modern. But in the movie, he's played by a black guy and I said on Twitter, I go, isn't it funny how they chose the whitest guy in the world to be portrayed by a black guy? And then someone repeats, they go, calls someone the whitest guy in the world and shows a picture of a fucking Jew. Now he's not Jewish. Seth is like his pen name. His name is like Gareth Galloway or something. He's as English and white as you could possibly be. But I think these guys, they get this selective memory where, you know, OnlyFans is owned by a Jew. Yeah, they remember that. But when like an Irishman, like Joe Biden is president, they forget that and they get this selective memory. Like, a lot of their arguments are valid. You know, the secular atheist Jews are disproportionately represented in this anti white media. They terrorize my family. I live in a Jewish neighborhood, and definitely a disproportionate number of Jews are attacking my family. They tend to be atheists. They tend not to be, like true believers. They're not orthodox or anything.

[Podcast Host]

Wait, so Jews are attacking you, but you're defending them?

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, I'm not parted.

[Podcast Host]

How does that make sense?

[Sean Kelly]

Well, I'm not an idiot. Like, the main guy who attacked my family on my street is Irish. Farah Kathwari is this jihadist who was attacking my family. She's obviously not Jewish, but I, I think I'm stealing this from this bearded dude who. Jews are exceptional whites. And when they do harm, they do exceptional harm. When they do good, they do exceptional good. Like, if you're getting a heart transplant, you want a Jew. If you're getting sued, you want to.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, yeah, lawyers for sure.

[Sean Kelly]

If you're getting audited, you want a Jew. So I, I get the impetus for anti Semitism, but I see a lot of my friends just get into this crotch dude, where everything bad is the Jews and it's just. It's lazy is what it is. And it's what we blame blacks for. Blacks are like, I can't be a lawyer because the racist whites would never take me on as a lawyer. So I don't, I shouldn't even go to law school. And then you do the same thing with the Jews. You're now a black guy bitching about the whites. Yeah. And I think that's why they went so bananas with Israel, because it's white on brown and they don't care about Nigerians, Muslims killing Christians because it's black on black. Yeah. By the way, you know why you're a good interviewer? Why? You shut your mouth and Larry King always said that. He goes, the secret to my job is just to be quiet. And I saw that Nick Fuentes sit down with Joel Webbin.

[Podcast Host]

I didn't watch that one yet.

[Sean Kelly]

His. It's good. They're both very smart. But like, his questions are four or five minutes wait just to ask the question is for holy. And then he'll finish his literal five minute diatribe and go, what do you think about that?

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy.

[Sean Kelly]

Or the other shitty interview thing is Patrick bet David where he's like, he doesn't know who's with him. So he's like, so, Sean Kelly, where were you born? And then you just do a Wikipedia page.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Those are the worst. Tell me your story. Those are the worst.

[Sean Kelly]

Like, you didn't get briefed.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

On this guy. That's the worst. It's like in school when you do a book report, the teacher goes, don't tell me the plot of the book. Tell me your interpretation of the plot. Yeah, but these lazy guys, they just are like. Like with Nick Fuentes, it's always, so when did you become anti Semitic? He has to retell the story about the chicken college who was at Turning Point or whatever. Yeah. And said, don't talk about Israel. I've heard that story a hundred fucking times.

[Podcast Host]

Daily Wire girl, right?

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. Google it, dude.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. You've had your. Your fun with Fuentes. You gonna debate him again?

[Sean Kelly]

I love him. I. I love Jews and I love Nick.

[Podcast Host]

He's toned it back. I feel like a little bit on the Jews. Right.

[Sean Kelly]

Well, even Michael Rectomold at this thing. He started this as pack. Anti Zionist pack. I'm a Zionist. I call myself a Zionist. I support Israel, but I get along with that guy great.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. I love him.

[Podcast Host]

So you wouldn't let that, like, affect a friendship?

[Sean Kelly]

What kind of faggot lets a difference of opinion affect your friendship? Like, I'll argue with him. And I do admit my anti Semitic friends, when they get super drunk at like 2am and they pull me aside, they're like, explain to me why the USS Liberty is there is not. It does not look like an Egyptian boat. And they were begging for to stop bombing. And I'm like, can I go back out and enjoy the party, please?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. The Liberty is their go to.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, my God.

[Podcast Host]

Ben Shapiro got hit with that one at Charlie Kirk's event a few weeks ago.

[Sean Kelly]

I think it was a mistake in. It was collateral damage. I don't think they thought it was an American ship. But anyway, I don't want to get sucked into this shit. But, but if, you know, if I'm talking to rectum while doing what's going to Zionism, we'll argue about it. Or the thing about Nick and I, when we argue, we disagree on Jews, but like we'll touch on that and then move on. Like I'm. My thing is I'm a hippie when it comes to the right and all I want is less government. Now if you're a Zionist, if you're a racist, if you're a fucking black Hebrew Israelite, I'm with you. I'm with Ben Shapiro and Nick Fuentes and Charlie Kirk. If we all want less government after the revolution, when we're not throwing 90% of our money into a wood chipper, I can start hating Ben Shapiro and start some infighting. But I don't have that luxury right now. We're losing our country. I'm a fucking. I make a lot of money, as do you. I'm a slave for the government. Oh yeah, for, for five months a year. Five months a year. A hundred percent of my income goes to the government. I get up, I go to work, I work all day, nine to five. I come home, I didn't make a cent. That's slavery.

[Podcast Host]

People don't think like that. But you're right.

[Sean Kelly]

Every day for five and a half months. Yeah, but you could afford it. Okay.

[Podcast Host]

In Cali it's even worse. It's probably like 60 over there and

[Sean Kelly]

that's not including sales tax and all this other shit. So maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's seven months a year.

[Podcast Host]

Inflation. Yeah, it could be, could be seven, eight months with inflation dollar's going to right now.

[Sean Kelly]

And I remember Bill O'Reilly said, you know, if my taxes were going to fixing potholes and my kids knew everything about George Washington and you know, the trains ran on time. I could take it on the chin. But driving by my house, I live in Westchester, I probably pay the highest tax out outside of Boca Raton. Quaker Ridge Road is by my house. It's in Iraq. Like I regularly get flats from potholes. Damn. It's the education is terrible crime. One town over in New Rochelle is like drive bys and bank robberies. They're not doing their job. So I don't mind giving you my money if I get a thing, but the money is a wood chipper. Look at the smally like Michael Bird. I don't think he'd got 190 million. I think Alex Jones is wrong on that. But the Guy who shot Ashley Babbitt, he's got a stupid daycare in his house, and he was part of a $190 million scam where they would set up these daycares. And you can't really validate a daycare. It's a hustle. It's a gypsy shit. It's pickpocketing because no one wants to go near kids. So we don't want to film you going in and out of there. So you can just say, yeah, there's a hundred kids here today. I hate them all. So, yeah, I love everyone on the right and I hate everyone on the left. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Shout out to Nick Shirley. Man, doing God's work out there.

[Sean Kelly]

He got. He got Tim Walls fired.

[Podcast Host]

Got Tim Walls fired. That's impressive.

[Sean Kelly]

That's an accomplished guy.

[Podcast Host]

Was almost vice president.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. And what. How much did he spend? Not literally spend.

[Podcast Host]

Bootstrap.

[Sean Kelly]

He got a fucking Ramada in. He got a plane ticket, and then he did some. What they call it, shoe leather reporting or something.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, maybe a couple thousand.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, he spent 2,000 bucks and he changed American history.

[Podcast Host]

For real? Yeah. Now everyone's investigating their states. Cali's under a lot of heat right now.

[Sean Kelly]

That's the amazing thing about media and journalism in this day and age. Like, imagine the NBA. The nets were one foot high. And you're like, well, I'll just go over there and plop it in. That's a dunk. That's what journalism is. There's all these scoops. There's the Dominion voting machines. There's. There's 50 million illegals. There's all these amazing stories just sitting there rotting. And guys like Nick Shirley. I met Nick. He's like a kind of autistic, you know, young nerd. Yeah. And he's like, I'll try this. And he just picks up the basketball. I'm not trivializing his work, but, you know, he picks up the basketball and he puts it in the one foot high hoop. Now he's in the NBA. And what do the real journalists do? The real journalists at cnn, they attack Nick like he's a MAGA journalist. He's full of shit. This daycare does exist. They told us it exists. It's embarrassing.

[Podcast Host]

I don't trust most journalists, if we're being honest.

[Sean Kelly]

No, they're all, you know what they are. They saw that. Well with boomers. They saw that movie with Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman, all the President's Men about the Washington Post. I haven't seen that Watergate scandal. It's from the 70s. And they were all like, yeah, that's me. I want to do that. And they're just, they're. They're like, politics is Hollywood for ugly people, and the media is politics for uglier people. And they're. They're ruthless career men who want to be top cops. And they just make up shit.

[Podcast Host]

And they're paid off, too.

[Sean Kelly]

And you, we can all see this. Like, I don't know what your area of expertise is, but, like, I grew up punk rock in Ottawa, Canada. So I'll read an article about, like, the big punk band in our town, Honest Engine. And I'm reading it like they, they didn't play it one step beyond in the. In the 90s. They were already broken up by then. Like, every time they. The media covers something, you're really invested in something esoteric, like baseball cards, you're reading, you're like, no, that's not what happened at all. There's a term for it, actually. It's something amnesia, where you'll read an article about something you're really well versed on and you'll realize this is all horseshit. And then you turn the page and you read about Palestine or something and you're like, I believe everything I read now. Yeah, but these people are wildly incompetent.

[Podcast Host]

That's how I feel about Twitter. I feel like if you're just scrolling on there and you don't have good belief system, you could get so brainwashed.

[Sean Kelly]

Totally, yeah. You know cops, I'm friends with a lot of cops. And they're like, so, ma', am, Danny just started and there's the call to prayer going on. It's probably tax resolution spam, Man. Danny's got the. I hate mam, Dani, by the way. I'm an avid Islamophobe, but the call to paring started with Eric Adams, but these cops are seeing it on TikTok and they're sending it to me and I'm like, this is ancient news, dude. So, yeah, like, journalists are incompetent. And at the same time, we have the vast majority of our peers getting their news from TikTok without even looking it up. And thank God for Elon Musk, dude. Those community notes. Yeah, that's how I learned, by the way, that it was Eric Adams who did that. Cause I saw it on. And this is multiplied exponentially in fucking Britain. Like, I cannot stress this enough. Britain has had free speech for two years. Elon Musk bought Twitter two years ago. They have been like the BBC, the British Broadcasting Corporation, is run by the government.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Sean Kelly]

They've controlled the news since the beginning of Britain. Holy shit.

[Podcast Host]

I didn't know that.

[Sean Kelly]

And then the past two years, you got Tommy Robinson able to put out documentaries like Silence Silenced Silence, where he explains that everything you've been taught about this particular case is a lie. And there's, you know, thousands of young girls that are victims of grooming gangs.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Sean Kelly]

That was never getting out before. So Britain is going through a fucking revolution. When I was there for that Unite the Kingdom rally that Tommy put on a few months ago, there was at least 3 million people there.

[Podcast Host]

Holy.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. It was insane. But, you know, it was a big part of it. Was Charlie Kirk, really? Charlie was there when he was dead. Oh, okay. He just died, like, two days before. Wow. And there's a massive vigil across from the House of Lords with thousands of people there. The screaming Christ is king. They got big flags from. At the Unite the Right rally the next day. And I think Charlie Kirk had been dead for maybe three days at this point. Massive, like, moment of silence with him on the screen. People holding Charlie Kirk signs they must have just made at Staples or whatever the British equivalent is. And silence for like, two minutes of just people sitting there. Millions of people sitting there in silence.

[Podcast Host]

It's crazy that he had worldwide impact like that. That's a whole other.

[Sean Kelly]

My kids aren't. My kids are all teenagers. They're not that political. They were floored by it. Like, I hate to say this, but it was one of the best things that happened. Wow. To the right. Sorry, you think so? Yeah, I think it was fantastic that Charlie Kirk was shot. Really? Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Because a lot of people say the opposite. That the right's so divided now.

[Sean Kelly]

Well, it. The anti Semites went off on a tangent with exploding labs, but retards have always been on the right. But I. I think I didn't like Charlie Kirk talking to those students. I think he was casting pearls before swine. Don't waste your time with these fucking retards. They want us dead. And I've been screaming that the left is unhinged and they literally want to kill. I don't even know where you are in the political spectrum.

[Podcast Host]

I'm slightly conservative.

[Sean Kelly]

You're slightly right of center. They want to put a bullet in your head. They want. And if you were killed, if you were assassinated right now, there would be little viral videos of Sean Cali's gone. Thoughts of prayers or jokes about your bullet hole in your head.

[Podcast Host]

Crazy.

[Sean Kelly]

So when he Died. I sort of went, see, that's what I've been screaming. They're mental patients, especially the trans. They're mental disease.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Like when Nick's in town, when. When James O' Keefe's in town, they've got bodyguards. They're like 800 bodyguards following them around.

[Podcast Host]

I don't blame them.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, me neither. But that's the world we live in. They're. They're like fucking EDM in or Mugabe. They're like African dictators.

[Podcast Host]

That's why Crowder stopped going to campuses. He was getting harassed, his tires slashed.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. And even when Crowder was there, you know, the camera would rarely pull back, but he would have. Like whenever you see a guy standing like this, that's a security guard, that's a bodyguard, because they have to keep their hands up. So if someone is. Is awkwardly holding their hands up high. And if you look at Crowder, if the camera ever pulls back, you'll see like four dudes. Geez. Standing like that because people want to kill him. For what? For what?

[Podcast Host]

Have you ever felt like you need to roll with security yourself?

[Sean Kelly]

I have a couple times. Yeah. I had security guards outside my house a few times when they got docs. Got bad. Oh, yeah, really bad.

[Podcast Host]

Geez.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, they vandalized my home. My car. They threw at the. They attacked my kids.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Sean Kelly]

You know what's crazy? Can I talk now? Yeah. You know what's crazy about my neighbors? I live in a very affluent neighborhood and it's rich white people. So Antifa hates me. And they put a sign on the highway that says, like, no fascists in. In our town. Whatever.

[Podcast Host]

They got a billboard for you.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, they put up posters all over my kid's school and shit like that. No, it was terrorism. But the thing I don't get is, like, New Canaan, Connecticut, it's a very right wing area. If Patriot Front or some super far right group went to the Housewives of New Canaan and said, you have a liberal in your town? You have an antifa in your town, they'd be like, go fuck yourself. I don't. What are you doing here? When Antifa came to my town and said to the housewives, you have a fascist, they're like, got it. I'll grab the baton and keep running. And having to send my daughter to boarding school when she was like, 17, 16. So you lose your kids when they're 18, right? So I lost my daughter when she was 16. That's. That's two years earlier than I'm supposed to. That's what, a ninth of our time together? Yeah. You robbed my daughter from me. For what? Because I started the Proud Boys? Because we're a fascist group that's going to kill black people or some bullshit you read on Boing Boing or the Huffington Post or some shit. So the left has this level of unity that is. It's bizarre. I mean, I wish the right had more unity, but the left needs less unity. Like, they. They'll back pedophiles. Some tranny is jerking off in a change room at Planet Fitness, and they're like, well, you know, we don't know the whole story. Meanwhile, the right is like, I don't like how you feel about Israel. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

The left loves defending the trans stuff. It blows my mind.

[Sean Kelly]

They have. They will not. They will not ostracize anyone. Yeah. That's why that big homo. What's his name? George Santos. That.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, George Santos.

[Sean Kelly]

He was stealing money, whatever. He stole a few grand, whatever. And. And I was like, don't send him to jail. Like, I want our criminals. They let their criminals go. I want our criminals to go steal some money, George. You know what I mean? I mean, like, when they, when they pulled out the hockey bag of votes for Joe Biden, I. I guess because I'm coming from a liberal, you know, upbringing, I'm like, where's our hockey bank? Like, I want to play dirty pool.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

I don't want to play fair.

[Podcast Host]

I mean, who isn't playing dirty in politics, right?

[Sean Kelly]

Like when Jimmy Kimmel was getting fired, I'm like, yeah, fire him. But I thought you're a free speech absolutist. No, I'm a hypocrite. Now fire that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. He shits on Trump all the time.

[Sean Kelly]

He's just a cuck. He's these. Him and Howard Stern, they got divorced, they lost half their money, and they're like, I'm never getting divorced again. What is my wife into? Is Stern and Kimmel's girlfriends could be into pedophilia.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

And they'd be like, well, I mean, a lot of these kids look pretty sweet and short shorts.

[Podcast Host]

The crazy thing about Stern is he could have gone down as one of the goats if he just stayed out of politics, I think.

[Sean Kelly]

Totally. Well, the thing I had about Stern, and this isn't true of Kimmel, Stern built his brand on working class culture. Now, I know you're not working class, you're a middle class Jew from Long island, but your brand is working class culture. Almost like Bachmann Turner overdrive You know, like for the weekend. I just can't wait. And taking care of business. Like you can't become a snob if your band made all their money on taking care of business.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Sean Kelly]

And that was his. His brand was wanna the limo driver. And then he was like, fuck these working class piece of shit white people. And he blew it. I feel the same way about Opie and Anthony. Like when Anthony got fired, Opie stabbed him in the back. And Opie's a upper middle class guy who made his money on blue collar culture, which is I'm not against. But you have to stay loyal to that culture, you know, Like, I'm not Amish. If I. If my entire wealth was based on supporting the Amish, I can't tell them to fuck off. Yeah. At any point. That's my bread and butter.

[Podcast Host]

No, that's great advice. You do see that as a downfall of a lot of people. Once they get to a certain level, they lose touch, Right?

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, they become snobs. Ozzy Osbourne never abandoned the Brummies in Birmingham. He always stayed true to Birmingham.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, No, I still hang out with people that are broke. I gotta hang out with normal people to keep myself.

[Sean Kelly]

I hang out with broke people, but I. What I do is I have a serviette with perfume on it. And when they get close to me, I put my. I put it over my nose so I have to smell them. You don't share them and I don't shake their hands.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, you need boundaries. Like you can hang out with broke people, but you can't get too much.

[Sean Kelly]

You don't touch them.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, you don't touch them.

[Sean Kelly]

No, you don't. And then when we get on the plane, I go to first class and then go to coach and I go and see when we land.

[Podcast Host]

Right?

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You don't buy them first class.

[Sean Kelly]

No, no.

[Podcast Host]

What about your kids, though?

[Sean Kelly]

I'm too cheap to put my car. It's expensive.

[Podcast Host]

Dude, it's like a thousand.

[Sean Kelly]

I'm a family of five.

[Podcast Host]

That's $5,000 right there.

[Sean Kelly]

If tickets are a thousand bucks, that's five grand just for a three hour flight. Yeah, that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I'm good on that. Well, dude, you ready for the debate tomorrow? You're going to be commentating.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, it's. I'm just a clown. I'm Fred Willard in Best in show. So I don't really have to do anything.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, you're gonna do a little drinking game while you're doing it or.

[Sean Kelly]

I don't. I can't be wasted.

[Podcast Host]

That okay?

[Sean Kelly]

It's embarrassing. You don't get invited back when you're drunk.

[Podcast Host]

It's tricky business. Well, it's been fun, man. We'll link your stuff below. Thanks for coming on.

[Sean Kelly]

Good hang? Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Pleasure. I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm. Thank you.