B (2:04)

Because 10, 11 years ago, this stuff was niche. Right now it's kind of mainstream.

A (2:08)

Absolutely. I think since 2017, it's really been sort of a watershed year for us. 2017 was when the New York Times article hit, and that made everybody kind of pay attention to this topic. And then 60 Minutes came out and they did a piece on it, and we've had a lot of Things happen. Also in 2017, Oumuamua happened, which was that discovery of the first interstellar object in our solar system.

B (2:32)

Whoa.

A (2:32)

So that year really changed a lot of thing. Avi Loeb kind of hit big with the Oumuamua stuff, and suddenly this topic was taken much more seriously in the mainstream world, and it moved out of the X Files silliness into a little more serious. It's much more taken. Excuse me, it's taken much more seriously today by the average person.

B (2:55)

Yeah. Well, now there's a lot of stuff coming to light, right?

A (2:59)

Absolutely. The governmental hearings. We haven't had congressional hearings on this topic in 50, 60 years. And now all of a sudden, we just had some in November, and they're coming up again at the end of April. They're going to have additional congressional hearings. Also, David Grush, the whistleblower we were talking about that Ross interviewed. He is going to go into a skiff with members of Congress and tell what he knows. So this is the very historic stuff that's happening, and it does look like we're moving closer and closer to getting to what the government knows.

B (3:31)

What are these hearings focusing on? What are they talking about?

A (3:33)

This upcoming one is going to focus on the nuclear people. People that worked at nuclear bases, such as Robert Salas, who worked on a nuclear base, and they saw a UFO hovering over the base. You know, this is way before everybody had a cell phone in their pocket, and the UFO shut off all of our nuclear launch codes, and everything went dark. And then the UFO moved and they all came back online, and we have, you know, people they're going to be coming to contact as well, including Robert Salas, who talk about this and they want to testify to Congress and let them know that, look, this is happening. And even if it's not alien per se, somebody's got the technology to hover over our bases and turn off our missiles. It's even more scary if it's not alien. Right. Because that means an adversary has this.

B (4:22)

That's true.

A (4:22)

Maybe not more, but certainly scary nonetheless.

B (4:25)

Yeah. What's your theory on who it was?

A (4:28)

I have no idea. I am absolutely. I live right in the middle. It could easily be technology, you know, beyond what we know. Oftentimes we hear in this community that when you hear a plane, like when the stealth bomber came out, they say that that was 20 years past. You know what I mean? It's like they're not going to show us the newest, latest, greatest thing. They're going to show us something that's Past its useful life basically. Sure, we could show you look, this is new. But that's not really what they have. I would think that our top secret.

B (4:59)

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A (5:57)

Have things that are well beyond what the average person knows. We.

B (6:00)

Yeah. Well, especially with the UAP recovery programs, they probably recovered some insane technology if that's real.

A (6:05)

Which, you know, I'm.

B (6:08)

You're skeptical.

A (6:09)

I'm very skeptical. I'm very cautious about all of these things. But there is a lot of stuff that points to this being real. Roswell alone to me is a very credible case. And if we have recovered this technology, it makes sense to me that we would keep that very secure and very private. So you know, throughout history the wars are typically won by the most advanced technology. You know that famous opening scene in what's that from 2001 where the monkeys are there and they're fighting and then the one has a bone.

B (6:43)

Yeah.

A (6:44)

His technology was better and he hits the other monkey. That's like the first sign of technology beating someone else. That's been going on if you look at his throughout history. World War II ended because we dropped a nuclear bomb. We had better technology. The better technology throughout history has won wars and changed the landscape of Earth. So if you had technology that was from a race that could come here from another planet, it's gotta be far beyond what we have. So you would want to keep that very close to the vest, I would think.

B (7:16)

Yeah. I'm sure there's some underground government programs or something, right? Area 51 stuff.

A (7:20)

Why not? Why not? If we did have it, I would think we'd keep it very private. You know, there's a lot of different schools of thought to this. Dr. Stephen Greer, his philosophy is that we have these unacknowledged black programs where this information is housed, and it's kept very secret. So it's really outside the government's purview. So Congress doesn't even oversee those budgets.

B (7:45)

Interesting.

A (7:45)

So even if all of this disclosure stuff that we're moving on now, you know, we're having these hearings, Danny Sheehan and others are moving forward with different bills. Last year, in 2023, we had the Schumer bill, the UAP Disclosure act, to try to get the government to release their information. That would be awesome. But I fear that the real true good stuff isn't going to be accessible in our normal government. It's probably something like Dr. Greer says, where it's in an unacknowledged black program where we don't get access to that. It's unofficial, it's not really on the books, so they're not going to release it anyway. That's what I would think is probably really happening.

B (8:26)

And that's where you see the whistleblowers come into play. Right.

A (8:28)

And then this guy, Jake Barber, supposedly was involved in one of these, and he came forward and he said he was personally directly involved in recovering crash retrieval.

B (8:38)

Wow.

A (8:39)

And, you know, there's many, many cases. Ryan Wood wrote a book that has 75 cases that have happened in the last hundred years of crash retrieval. So we do have some data on this. You know, it's hard to say what's real. We'll never know. But there is more than Roswell. You know, there's. There's just. His book alone has 75 strong cases that we have recovered extraterrestrial craft, or at least craft of unknown origin, I should say, because it is possible that an adversary would have technology well beyond ours, and maybe we recovered that.

B (9:16)

Yeah. Did they ever find out what the drone thing was about in New Jersey? New York?

A (9:20)

No. That boy, that went away quick. Isn't that crazy? It came in and the government was real weird about it. My suspicion is that they were looking for nuclear residue or checking for something like that. These were probably military drones, because if it was an adversary, I think we would have shot it down. And if it was us, we would just admit it. I think they didn't want to say that we're looking for a dirty bomb. We're missing some nuclear material. I think that it was probably something like that government based. And we were trying to do that without letting that out. Yeah, that's my suspicion.

B (9:56)

I could see that too. Psionics is a hot topic right now. Telepathy tapes is blowing up. What's your whole take on that stuff?

A (10:03)

The word psionics came up on the Jake Barber interview with Ross Colhart and it also ties into these things. Like one of our featured guests is Diane Hennessy Powell. Dr. Powell has done incredible work. I don't know how familiar with those tapes. Did you watch them?

B (10:20)

No, not yet.

A (10:21)

This is something you really need to look at. It's absolutely incredible. They brought it to my attention and I'm like, telepathy, that's not something we're interested in. We try to be science based, we try to be fact based, we try to be academic about these things. And it turns out she's from John Hopkins and Harvard and she's been studying autistic non verbal children for I think 15 years. So this is on the autistic spectrum. I don't know the numbers, I don't know how this works, but basically, you know, let's say it's 0 to 10. You could be anywhere on that spectrum. And these kids are way at the end where they literally cannot even speak. The way she describes it is they literally do not know that they have hands and fingers to communicate. They literally don't know. So the way she described it to us was like it's almost like a Helen Keller kind of a thing where she couldn't hear or see and they had a teacher to hear and see or you know, to communicate. Well, these children can't communicate, so they don't know. They have hands and arms and they don't know how to communicate. So what she thinks is happening is between 0 and 2. The way the brain develops, they can't say hungry, they can't do this. So they telepathically are communicating to their mother or caregiver. I need food. Because she started coming across these cases where the mom would say she walked into the kitchen and like a picture of food would pop into her brain. And it was because that little child was doing that. So they started looking at it and now they have incredible evidence that these kids and their, sometimes their mom, sometimes their caregiver, sometimes the father have these telepathic abilities. And it's a wide variety where some of them, it's just one person, maybe it's the mother, but there are some of these children have this happen everywhere. So if they went to a casino, it would be so noisy, they would freak out and scream because they hear everybody's thoughts. So they literally. Some of these parents have moved out into the country because it's too hard for this kid because they're hearing so many different voices. So it's really incredible. She's at the forefront of this. They're doing a documentary about her work and these discoveries. We are actually going to do a live demonstration on stage of this ability.

B (12:51)

Whoa.

A (12:51)

She is bringing in Hakeem and her, are bringing in this mother and her nine year old daughter who is autistic and is non verbal, but she's able to communicate with her mother telepathically. It's absolutely incredible. We're going to do a 30 minute demonstration live and then Diane and Hakeem and a few others are going to explain what we're seeing and how it works. She said that there's some thinking in anthropology that literally hundreds of thousands of years ago, modern humans are about 200,000 years ago. They think in the infancy of that, it's possible that humans had telepathic abilities, but as we developed vocal cords of things, we didn't need them. So they got kind of put to the shelf.

B (13:42)

Interesting.

A (13:43)

So it's a fascinating area of study and I think it's incredible. It ties into the whole UFO phenomenon because we often see cases where experiencers will claim that the experience they have with a being or an alien, gray or whatever it may be, it's always a telepathic communication happening. So that ties right into this. And it's kind of at the forefront of science right now. I think this is an incredible discovery. Whatever's going on here, it's amazing. You know, Sean, it ties into another area. If we could move over to this. It's also the whole idea of consciousness, which is a big, big thing in today's world and in our UFO community, consciousness seems to play a major role in this. And there's been this debate going on for hundreds of years whether consciousness lives in our brain, which some people, science based people tend to think, or is consciousness non local? You have a guy like Carl Jung who talked about the collective unconscious, or Edgar Cayce talked about the Akashic record, which sort of has all that knowledge. And they thought of our brain as a receiver that taps into this, I don't know what to call it, realm, and that's how we use it, that our brain is just a receiver tapping into this massive non local consciousness. So that's still a live debate today that's happening. So it's interesting to see that she said that some of these children experience this thing where they go to a place called the Hill. And these kids go to a place. And by go to a place, I mean in their mind they're not physically leaving. These kids rarely go out of their house. It's incredible that we found somebody that can come to contact in the desert because most of these children spend most of their lives in their home. It's too hard to leave their house. They scream. It's too hard. It's too much for them. And I can understand that. So the idea of consciousness being non local ties into this because these kids, some of them say they, I guess you would call it, let's say, an astral project or out of body. They go to a place called the Hill and they meet another person with the same autism level that they are.

B (16:00)

Wow.

A (16:01)

And they communicate to each other. And they've had cases where somebody will say, hey, look at this rock. Go tell Jimmy. And Jimmy lives in London. And at night the children go to this place and. And he talks about that. How would he know about that? So that would point to consciousness being non local. That we share that. You know, there's this other thing that they're really studying that's interesting too because we don't know exactly how it's working. And it might be multitude of these cases. Are they talking telepathically? Like, I'm reading what you're thinking. Like you're thinking right now. This guy's going on and on like an idiot, for example. Or are they really sharing consciousness? There's a couple of cases. There's one in particular out of the UK where this mother was at the eye doctor with her son and her son is blind. And while they were there, she was reading the eye chart. He read the eye chart. He read it. Seeing it through her eyes.

B (17:00)

Wow.

A (17:01)

Because they had some sort of connection that way too. This would be considered a psionic ability. So that's a fascinating case. How is that possible? Is she seeing it? He's seeing through her eyes somehow consciously. Or is she seeing it and she gets the letter in her brain and he's reading her brain. We don't know what's happening here, but this is sort of a new area of study that seems really fascinating to me.

B (17:24)

That is interesting. The other one that interests me is the ayahuasca, where people see the same aliens or whatever.

A (17:30)

Exactly. These beings. I haven't had the courage to do it yet, but I'm fascinated by Ayahuasca. Because exactly the point you just made, that two different people will talk about experiencing the ayahuasca experience and they will describe seeing the exact same beings. Hey, I walked in and to the left was the snake woman with the black and white dress. Did you see her? How is that possible? Are they really going to a realm? Does that exist on some astral plane that we're unfamiliar with is how could they have the same hallucination it? To me, I think that's a really strong thing to study because it feels tied to this consciousness thing. Right?

B (18:13)

Yeah. I think I lean towards non local.

A (18:15)

Yeah, for sure I do, yeah.

B (18:17)

I mean, the CIA release remote viewing documents now.

A (18:19)

Absolutely. That's been going on for years.

B (18:22)

Yeah.

A (18:22)

You know, we had the Stanford Research Institute, of course, with Russell Targ and Hal Puthoff and those guys findings. And they found that people that came in off the street would try to do remote viewing and they would have great success. Way more than you would think, which that's incredible, the fact that you could do it at all. So if it worked one in ten times, to me that means there's something here. All of these things I feel happen. We just need more time to study them. Things that are on the fringe become normalized over time. There was a time when we all thought the world was flat, right. And then they figured out it was round. And then. And then now everybody knows that. You know, not everybody, but 99.9% of us, you know, it's that sort of thing.

B (19:07)

And in 1992, you know, exoplanet.

A (19:10)

This is exactly what I was going to get to. Well, let me back up here. You know, here's a good correlation for that, Sean. In 1925, so 100 years ago, our scientific knowledge thought that the Milky Way was the entirety of the universe. The entire universe was the Milky Way galaxy. That's what we believe. From 200,000 years ago up until 1925, that was the consensus reality. Then in 1925, they put up a telescope in Mount Wilson and Hubble actually was the astronomer who discovered that there was another galaxy outside of our galaxy. So now all of a sudden, wait a minute, this isn't the universe. This is our little galaxy. There's another one over there. So in 1924, let's say we all knew that this one little galaxy was the universe. In 1925, we realized there were two. You know, how many they know of today?

B (20:07)

How many?

A (20:08)

Two trillion.

B (20:10)

Whoa.

A (20:11)

Galaxies.

B (20:11)

Holy.

A (20:12)

So in 100 years, our scientific understanding went from believing there was one galaxy in the universe to believing or knowing there are 2 trillion galaxies in the universe, that is quite a change in understanding. So I feel that this relates to the idea of these topics, psionics, that we're talking about right now. Some people have this ability to remote view. Some kids with this can do television, telepathic abilities, let's say 100 years from now, 200 years from now, a thousand years from now. These things might be like a normal thing that's happening in society, but we are just at the cusp of learning and understanding how they work. You know, another good example, if you don't mind, let me share with you the idea that let's go back 200 years. So from all the technology we've had from 200,000 years ago to 2, 200 years ago, 200 years ago, it took to go from New York to London. It took a month.

B (21:17)

Wow.

A (21:17)

That was how fast you could get from New York to London? About 29 days on ship. That's what you could do. Fast forward just a little bit. And Today, within that 200 year period, we can do it in five or six days by boat, but we can do it in under three hours on the Concorde. So it's like this whole idea about people saying that debunk the existence of aliens coming to our planet. Their argument is oftentimes, well, you can't get there from here. What they really mean by that, Sean, is you can't get there from here using the technology of the day. That's what they really mean to say. Because using the technology of the day, if you said to somebody 200 years ago, hey, you can't get to London in three hours, it takes 30 days. Well, that's true. Flash forward 200 years, three hours, we can make that trip. Yes. It took you with that technology 200 years ago, a month. But it takes us by about five days. Six days takes us three hours by plane. So you can see how that would translate to 200 years from now. Do you think it's going to take three hours to go from New York to London? No goddamn way. Right. It's going to be half that.

B (22:30)

They might have teleportation by then.

A (22:32)

Anything's on the table. Right. They're doing experiments with that already.

B (22:36)

Yeah.

A (22:36)

So I can imagine that it's going to be much quicker than the three hours. So if you look at it this way, our universe, it's pretty much agreed upon, is 13.7 billion years old. Our planet's 4.5 billion years old. So most of the Universe has a 9 billion year jump on us. So you can imagine that they've had time to develop intelligent life and develop things. If somebody was technologically just a couple hundred years ahead of us, they would have a huge jump on where we are today. But it's more likely that they have a thousand, ten thousand or a million year jump on us technologically. Just mathematically. That's, that's the reality of it. If they got a 9 billion year jump on, you know, creation, why wouldn't they be? What are the odds that we're going to line up exactly that we develop the same time, not they're 9 billion years ahead somewhere something probably advanced. So they would have a technology to do something like transverse the space to get here, which someday for us will probably be nothing. Yeah, but it's looking through our current lens and I don't like us to be so limited by that. I feel like the more you dug your heels in on this is how it is, you can't get to London in under 30 days. Your view will become archaic one day because we're going to get the steamboat technology and then they could do it in two weeks. Then we got motorboat technology, we could do it in five days. Now we have the Concord jet does it in three hours. So careful when you dig in your heels about, oh no, you can't do that. Well, just give it some time for technology to develop and we will probably be able to do that. So I feel it's very limited and disingenuous to dig your heels in on. Oh, you can't get there from here, or you can't do this or you can't do that. Just wait for technology. And guess what? We just started on AI. The AI is in its infancy with this tool. Imagine what we could develop over the years.

B (24:47)

Yeah, AI is going to be a game changer for humanity.

A (24:51)

Absolutely. It's going to change everything. I think another view I have is that we always see things through our human lens, of course. And AI is how we're going to explore the universe. We're already NASA's talking about. They're going to send AI probes out into the universe. Well that makes sense. They don't eat, they don't sleep, they work 24, seven, they don't get sick, they don't die.

B (25:18)

Right.

A (25:18)

So if it takes, you know, 40 years to get there, so what? It's a machine. Why would another civilization not send AI as well? That's what I would think. Why would they send a biological being Most likely they would send an artificial intelligence, something like that. That's a probe. So if they send that to our planet, we're not going to understand what that's saying. So we're going to have to use AI to decipher what message they're giving to us. So in reality, our first contact with an alien life form is most likely going to be artificial intelligence. To some form of artificial intelligence.

B (25:54)

Wow.

A (25:54)

Does not make sense.

B (25:55)

It would. Yeah. Do you think that's happened yet?

A (25:58)

Well, I don't think that's happened yet because we don't have any accounts of that. And I. We are just starting and we are literally on the doorsteps of just starting. We haven't even reached the singularity yet. Once we start getting there and going beyond, it's going to be more. The alien accounts we do have are much more in the spiritual realm, etherical realms, where you have these accounts of people claiming to wake up and have a first hand experience with a being.

B (26:25)

Right. Like abduction.

A (26:26)

Abduction. Like a Whitley Strieber communion event where he wakes up and there's a being in the room with him.

B (26:31)

Right.

A (26:32)

So it's, it's been already if this is all real, they've had face to face interaction with non human intelligences, as they say. So we have a lot of people that make this claim. I don't think they're all lying. I don't think they're all doing a hoax. People aren't trying to make money on that even. I've heard that already about the telepathy tapes.

B (26:53)

Yeah.

A (26:54)

And I find it very upsetting to me because if you have a child with severe autism that they can't even communicate with you, you're struggling. It is a brutal existence to try to teach that child to eat or use their hands or anything like that. You're not hoaxing people for a joke.

B (27:15)

Yeah, there's no benefit to that.

A (27:17)

There's no benefit. You've got enough problems. So I think it's very unfair to even make that claim. What's going on or how they're doing it, we don't know yet. But something more is happening there. It's not a hoax, it's not a scam, it's not a magic trick.

B (27:32)

I'll say that it's very interesting because autism rates are skyrocketing too. So I wonder if there's a correlation with those two things happening.

A (27:40)

It is incredible. She showed us a chart. Have you ever seen the difference? It's like again, I don't know the exact Number, so don't quote me, but if you. It's a quick Google, like 50 years ago it was like one in a hundred thousand or something and then it was 1 in 50. Now it's like 1 in 300. Like it is literally exponential. Why is that? That's kind of what she started getting involved in is why are autism rates increasing so rapidly? Is it the pollution? Is it our, you know, all the stuff we have in the air with the phones and everything? We don't know?

B (28:14)

Yeah. And at this current rate, that means we could all be communicating with telepathy in like 100 years.

A (28:19)

I mean, there you go. That could be the thing. I hope we don't all become non verbal. Although a lot of people I wish would become non verbal. We don't have time to go into that. Jamie. I'm gonna leave that out.

B (28:29)

Oh man. So with the CE5 protocols, is that related to this, the stuff too?

A (28:33)

It is, it is a form, people. This, this one I struggle with. I'll be honest. A lot of people believe that CE5, what that is, is we had close encounters of the third kind. This was a system that J. Allen Hynek came up with. Either it's a sighting, you just saw light in the sky. Close encounter of a third kind was when you saw a being. So Whitley Straber's thing we described was CE3. CE5 is human initiated content. So there are people that believe if you go out into the nature and you have other people with you and you guys all focus on calling in these things. And this is what Jake Barber said to Ross, kind of where he lost me. But he claims that they were able to telepathically call in these ships. And so there's a whole school of thought that thinks that either these craft have some sort of consciousness level or were able to talk, to tap into speaking with them, contacting them. So people think you can call these ships in and they'll come and they'll appear and they claim to have seen it.

B (29:52)

So I've seen Greer talk about this and Bledsoe too, right?

A (29:56)

Chris Bledsoe is absolutely. He's gonna do it live on no Way Sunday night. He's gonna do a live CE5 at, at contact in the desert.

B (30:04)

So would that change your opinion on it if you actually.

A (30:07)

I will go out there. I never usually go because I just don't find that very interesting. I am, I am really curious because Chris Bledsoe is one of the strongest people that we hear about all the time, who has this Ability. He's had a lot of sightings on his property. He has an incredible case. He has tons of hours of video footage, so he's got something to back it up. And he's been out there a long time. So I'm very, very curious to see if he can do it. And if we do see something, that'll.

B (30:34)

Be pretty interesting as you're doing a lot of cool stuff at this event. I can't wait.

A (30:38)

It's. It's unbelievable. We're. We're putting it together, and we're excited about it. You know, there's just so many different elements to this, you know, unprecedented stuff. Chris bledsoe doing a CE5 with a group of people that all are in that mindset that's supposed to be a big part of it, you know, that you're consciously positive about it. That comes up with the telepathy tapes as well, that sometimes if you come in with a negative energy or whatever, or you're like. Diane said she was around some of these children, and if somebody else came in and they weren't receptive to them or it would bother the kids, they were very sensitive. They could feel that. And they welcomed her in because they could tell she was very genuine. I'm here to help you. I want to work with you. I want to discover how this is done. And it's real. Funny. She told me one of the first ones she met, the first children that she met like this, she said that he didn't want anything to do with her. And the way they communicate is typically they type on a computer or they point to a letter and then they spell words. And he didn't want anything to do with her. And she said, well, I just want to see if this is real. And he said, well, I already know it's real. I do it every day. And she's like, I know you do it every day, but I can't do that. So I want to see you do it so that I can discover that this is real. And he thought about it, and he goes, okay, you can stay. And then he was okay with her because he knew she was coming from a genuine place. And that seems to be an important thread through a lot of this, through a lot of psionics, through a. With telepathy, even C Fives. They say you want to be in that headspace, that kind of thing. You know, these claims have been going on for a long, long time. I mean, there's all kinds of beings people have visited throughout the years. You know, you Heard of like the gin that became the genie. There's that kind of thing. I mean, this has been going on an awfully long time, so it makes me feel like there must be something to it. Yeah, I have no idea what it could be, but there's enough evidence and enough accounts here that something is happening. I certainly think it all warrants more scientific study. And I love seeing things like Avi Loeb and other big respected doctors in the scientific community taking this subject seriously. Why don't we get to the bottom of it? And if we have millions of cases, Cheryl Acosta came out with a book, a reference book, just for 20 years and just for reported UFO cases. And we've done these surveys at Contact in the Desert and other places where we ask people how many people have seen a UFO? And 100 hands in the air. And then they say how many reported it? And it's like three.

B (33:32)

Yeah.

A (33:33)

So 97% of them don't report the UFO at all. She compiled 170,000 cases in just a 20 year period.

B (33:42)

Geez.

A (33:43)

And those are the reported cases. And if 97% of them aren't reported, you can imagine how many more. Now, granted, the lion's share of these are probably not alien, they're probably explainable, but we don't know. But after all of this math and millions of people claiming they've had an experience and millions of witnesses and all these eyewitness accounts, you only need one of them. If one of these people have talked to somebody from another realm, then this whole thing's real. You frame it that way and it seems to me like, well, it's probably likely that they're not all lying, they're not all hoaxing. Most people don't want to talk about it. Most people want to keep it very private. So I feel like there's not enough weight being placed on these witnesses, these experiencers. I feel like, why do we just dismiss that? I feel like there's not enough weight being placed on experts like Avi Loeb, who's the head of astronomy at Harvard, and John Mack, who was the head of psychiatry at Harvard. He looked into this topic because he wanted to dismiss it and prove that it was a psychological problem, that these people were having another psychological issue. It had nothing to do with UFOs. And after studying it, he came to the conclusion that none of these people that he studied had any other psychological issues, so that most likely something was happening to them. So where I struggle is a guy that's beyond reproach, like John Mack, who rises to the top of academia and is the top head of psychiatry at Harvard, why do we not believe him the minute he says, well, I studied this subject, and it seems that these people aren't having another affliction. Maybe this is real. Why don't the rest of us all go, wow, this guy's really credible. He looked at it. Let's believe him. Why everything else he says is the greatest thing in the world because he's so smart. Then he touches this issue, oh, no, crackpot. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Why does that happen? I don't understand that. And that's kind of what drew me into this. I don't know why we don't take some of these guys more serious. I think they should get the credit that's due. Avi. Loeb is this respected guy. A fun thing about Avi is I recently got to interview him, and he was saying what he's looking for is trash. He wants an old UFO that they threw away or they're just blown through the galaxy. If we discovered that, it would be, you know, light years ahead of us to find an object like that, even though it's trash to them.

B (36:29)

Right.

A (36:30)

So that would be pretty exciting. It would be like that. And we have new technologies coming out that are going to enable us to do that. There's something called the. And this name is fantastic. It's called the elt, the Extra Large Telescope. They're building an Extra Large Telescope in Chile that's going to vastly increase our ability to scan the sky.

B (36:52)

Really?

A (36:53)

So we think we're going to be able to see a lot more of these things. And just like these other technologies that we talked about, the ships going across, we talked about that. Oh, and then we got to the planet thing, where. So 100 years ago, we thought there was just one galaxy. Now we know there's 2 trillion. Do you know that 33 years ago, the number of planets that Mainstream consensus science 100% believed was 0? That there were no other planets anywhere in the universe outside of our solar system? That was the consensus reality.

B (37:29)

Wow.

A (37:30)

And this wasn't a thousand years ago. This was 33 years ago. 33 years ago. That's what we thought. And then they discovered one, then they discovered two, then they got up to eight, then they started running the math, and then they started through better telescopes and better technology, they realized right now the belief is that for every star that we can see, 1.6 planets surround that.

B (37:57)

Whoa.

A (37:57)

So more than one for every star so when you start talking about this math, Sean, it's ridiculous. In our little Milky Way galaxy, the one, this. That used to be the universe, but it's our little Milky Way galaxy. We approximate around 200 billion stars. She. That is a lot. Now, you add 1.6 for every star. There's that many planets. So you're looking at 300, over 300 billion planets. That's in our galaxy. 300 billion. In our galaxy, 60 billion are in a habitable zone, which is what we believe life could exist, our kind of life. Of course, there could be life that's not like us. So that could be a larger number. But you have this 300 billion planets. In ours now there's 2 trillion. So it's 2 trillion times 300 billion. And that's how many legitimate planets that we believe exist now. And if anything, that number will go up. It will not go down. So if you run that math, you've got to start thinking that. Geez. And considering that they're 9 billion years ahead of us, somebody evolved some form of life evolved somewhere, somebody's scanning the galaxy. It's hard to believe that that much is going on and they're not evolving. It's more likely that many have evolved and been destroyed and are gone. You know, we forget how not only is AI in its infancy and our technology in its infancy, we as modern humans are in our infancy on this planet. Our planet's 4.5 billion years out. So let's say this whole thing here is the calendar 4.5 billion years ago. We didn't even appear to 200,000 years ago. So it's at the very edge. So like they said, I think on a calendar, we appear at like, December 31st at like 10 to midnight.

B (39:57)

That's crazy.

A (39:57)

At the very end, that's the first modern human appeared there. So we're just in our infancy. So the way I look at this is, given that math, there are so many other possible life forms existing in so many other places that inevitably something's out there, most likely coming here.

B (40:18)

Yeah.

A (40:18)

So I think we need to take it seriously, put some scientific resource behind it and examine this. And I love that these new tools are coming on that are going to give us the opportunity to explore the skies more.

B (40:30)

So that being said, when you see guys like Elon Musk saying he doesn't believe in aliens, does that surprise you?

A (40:35)

It does. It really does. Because a guy like Avi Loeb would argue with him. Um, yeah, I feel like that's. That's not Being genuine. I don't. I don't think that that's necessarily being fair. And I wonder how hard he's looked at this topic. This is one of those topics, like many others, where the more you know, the more there is to know. When you get into this onion that is the UFO world, I think most people just have a cursory understanding of it, but the more you get involved in it, if you just study one thing, like if you just studied Roswell and you read the Don Schmidt books about all the people that they've interviewed and all the evidence that surrounds it, it's a pretty compelling case. Just. That's just one famous case.

B (41:18)

Yeah.

A (41:19)

You start looking into more and more, and pretty soon you start having this picture that something clearly is going on. I'm certainly leaning that way, and I've been very skeptical about this and very objective, and I try to be very rational. Both on our podcast Beyond Contact and with Contact in the Desert, we try to keep a very neutral, academic, scientific approach to this. But, man, there's a lot of stuff out there that really makes you start thinking that something could be happening.

B (41:48)

Yeah, well, that's needed because I think you could go too extreme with the beliefs, too.

A (41:52)

Oh, oftentimes, most of the things I hear immediately, I think too extreme for me. Not saying it's impossible, but I'm saying that it's very remote to me. On the other hand, there are. There are other things that feel that could happen. You know, people have like, one case that you had one experience. Why not?

B (42:12)

Makes sense. Yeah. Last topic. 1900, Lord Kelvin. What's that about?

A (42:16)

Oh, yeah, that's a good example of what we were talking about earlier. You know who that guy is? Lord Kelvin. He was, like the head of physics in the year 1900, and he came out and made this statement that science has now discovered all there is to know. The only thing left is going to be developing the ability to measure more precisely. Isn't that silly? Because look at how far we've come since 1900. But that just shows the hubris of science and how they think, well, this is all we can do. Well, we used to think that, oh, we can get to Europe in a month. That's amazing. Right now we do it in three hours and 200 years from now. I guarantee we get there faster.

B (42:58)

Yeah, I love thinking like that, actually.

A (43:01)

So I think it's important not to just dismiss these things and dig in to these positions, because inevitably your view is going to become archaic. Just like Lord Kelvin, this respected physicist he said that that sounds silly. Today they didn't have iPhones, they didn't have camera. They didn't have any of this. And he said, that's what we've discovered all we can. That's ridiculous.

B (43:23)

Yeah, we got brain chips coming next.

A (43:25)

Well, that's already happening. Neural link is already happening. They have people with these in the brain who can control the Internet with their mind. That's science fiction just a few years ago.

B (43:36)

Right.

A (43:36)

So I'm fascinated to see what's coming. I think that being on the verge of AI just exploding is going to be really exciting.

B (43:45)

Absolutely. Captain Ron, where can people find you, your events and your podcast?

A (43:48)

Everything's@contactinthedesert.com that's the best place to go. We have a blog on there called the Captain's Blog where we talk about these issues and all of our speakers, everything that we're doing at Contact in the Desert's on there. And our podcast, Beyond Contact, every week we talk about these kind of things.

B (44:04)

So what's the date of the upcoming conference?

A (44:06)

The conference is going to be May 29th through June 2nd, and we're going to give all your listeners 10% off. You can go contact in the desert.com to buy tickets. And it's Sean 10 SE A N 10 10% off. Contact in the Desert.

B (44:18)

We'll link it in the video below. Guys, check it out. See you next time.