Reality TV Is a Lie... | Chad Kultgen | DSH #1938

Summary

Digital Social Hour — "Reality TV Is a Lie..." | Chad Kultgen | DSH #1938

Podcast Date: April 28, 2026
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Chad Kultgen (writer, reality TV coach, co-host of "Game of Roses" and "The Necessary Conversation")

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Episode Overview

In this compelling episode, Sean Kelly sits down with Chad Kultgen to unravel the constructed nature of reality TV, dive into the intersection of media and politics, and discuss the value (and pitfalls) of having tough conversations with family across the political spectrum. The conversation ranges from the mechanics—and manipulation—behind popular reality shows to the fraught current political climate, all filtered through Chad’s unique roles as a reality TV coach and podcaster. The episode also provides fresh insights into collectible card culture, the impact of AI on art and society, and why honest dialogue—no matter how difficult—is more essential than ever.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Deceptive Nature of Reality TV

• Chad asserts that reality TV is fundamentally built on artifice, comparing it to pro wrestling:

  “There is a lie that is being conveyed in all reality TV shows that it is real.” (02:34)

• Even shows like "The Traitors" and "The Bachelor" are molded by producers—scripted moments, manufactured drama, and archetype-driven casting:

  “On night one, generally the lead says, these three people are my top three, and that almost never changes. The rest…is the lead acting like they care about all the other players and the producers deciding who gets kicked off…to make the most entertaining show.” (04:21)

• Timestamps:
  • [02:34] — Reality TV as pro wrestling, all shows built on a "lie"
  • [03:56] — Behind the casting and manipulation on "The Bachelor"
  • [05:31] — Admission of literal scripts given to contestants

2. Inside Reality TV Game-Playing and Coaching

• Chad coaches reality TV contestants (mostly women), comparing the preparation to Olympic training:

  “I feel like I'm coaching Olympic athletes to go, you know, deliver their best performances, and then they come out of the show and debrief me…” (06:18)

• Love is Blind and other shows focus on manipulating producers as much as forming relationships:

  “That game is about kind of trying to convince the producers that you're going to be good TV.” (07:10)

• The real motivation for most contestants: fame and monetization, not love.

  “No one is going on those shows to find love. They are going on that show to get famous.” (07:45)

• Notable Quote:

  “Saying it's a game doesn't mean I don't think people fall in love. They very much do. And a lot of it, I think, comes from trauma bonding in this wild experience…” (07:50)

• Timestamps:

  • [06:18] — Coaching women on reality shows
  • [07:10] — The real strategy on "Love is Blind"
  • [08:09] — Monetizing post-show fame and the Harry Jowsey example

3. The Evolving World of Collectibles: Magic: The Gathering, Pokemon, and More

• Chad is a passionate collector, with Magic: The Gathering replacing his former Vegas gambling bug.

  • “[I’ve] lost way more on Magic the Gathering cards than I ever did in Vegas.” (01:00)

• The trading card game market has exploded, with buyouts, day trading, and even celebrities (Post Malone!) getting involved:

  “There are cards on the reserve list…if you have enough money, you can do a buyout…and the value just skyrockets and you own them all.” (32:40)

• Timestamps:

  • [01:00] — Magic card collecting vs. Vegas gambling losses
  • [29:36] — Pulling expensive cards, the nerdy excitement
  • [33:21] — Celebrity collectors and major one-of-a-kind card sales

4. Navigating a Divided America: Podcasting with MAGA Parents

• Chad co-hosts "The Necessary Conversation" with his MAGA parents and liberal sister, reflecting on years of family silence and how podcasting has built bridges ("…it forces our parents to have a relationship with us where they talk to us for an hour a week." (13:18)).

• The show doesn’t change minds, but fosters dialogue:

  “If anything we've moved further into our…respective corners, you know, especially with everything that's going on with Trump now...” (13:37)

  • The greater goal: to avoid letting media-fueled division become permanent:

    “It's crucially important to keep talking to one another so that…the right-wing media engine can't use that against you. It's like your parents are actually not your enemies. It's the billionaire who's trying to take all your money and kill people in the streets.” (14:36)

• Notable Quote:

  “Start a podcast with [your MAGA family member]. It works.” (12:44)

• Timestamps:

  • [10:33] — Family divided by politics, the impact of Trump
  • [13:18] — Podcast as forced therapy and maintaining connection
  • [14:36] — On division: “Parents aren’t the enemy. Billionaires are.”

5. Commentary on Authoritarianism in U.S. Politics

• Chad is openly alarmed at the direction of U.S. democracy:

  “I'm 100% of the mind that we live in a dictatorship now. He controls everything with no recourse. You've got ICE murdering people now with no investigations…” (13:37, 14:36, 19:40)

• Discusses media consolidation, state-run media territory, censorship, and chilling effects of government overreach.

• Provides a scathing critique of Trump’s administration:

  “I just think he's deplorable. I think he's a narcissist. He's obviously greedy. He's 100% corrupt, the most corrupt president we've ever had, and he's trying to take control of this country in a way that is not democratic at all.” (19:42)

• Timestamps:

  • [14:36] — Authoritarian tendencies and the importance of dialogue
  • [15:10] — Media consolidation and censorship concerns
  • [19:42] — Chad’s unfiltered view on Trump’s presidency

6. Hot Takes: Borders, Immigration, and Laws

• Chad questions the very existence of countries and suggests free movement for all:

  “I don't think we should have countries. It's all just arbitrary bullshit that we've made up.” (22:17)

• Recognizes that anti-immigration rhetoric is classic authoritarian misdirection:

  “You select a group of people to be the enemy, and that changes pretty frequently with Trump…” (22:42)

• Advocates for context-specific enforcement of laws and questions criminalization of non-violent acts.

• Timestamps:

  • [22:11] — On abolishing borders and open movement
  • [23:24] — Authoritarian scapegoating
  • [24:54] — Selective law enforcement

7. OnlyFans, Dating, and Social Media Culture

• Brief discussion of OnlyFans boom:

  “Most girls make nothing and then they're selling their bodies and it's…Yeah, that's a whole nother topic.” (28:29)

• Chad distances himself from ‘red pill’ and anti-feminist social media dramas; prefers to “stick to [his] Magic: The Gathering cards.” (29:25)

• Timestamps:

  • [28:07] — OnlyFans economy and social impact
  • [29:25] — Avoidance of social media gender debates

8. The AI Revolution: Litigation, Art, and Anxiety

• Chad’s creative integration of AI—from music videos to standup routines—led to several high-profile lawsuits (Tom Brady, George Carlin estate) due to the misuse (real or perceived) of deepfake/AI voice technology:

  “We got an immediate cease and desist from Tom Brady…then we got sued by George Carlin's daughter…” (41:05)

• He defends AI as a creative tool, pushing back on “Hollywood programming” of AI fear:

  “People don't know anything about how it works…They just hear the phrase AI and immediately are like, this is terrible. It's destroying the world. Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you… It's just kind of the next phase of how we use computers.” (42:58)

• Both agree AI is already everywhere—in your iPhone, your search, your text predictions.

• Timestamps:

  • [39:05] — Novel about love in an AI-dominant future
  • [41:05] — Getting sued for AI comedy/deepfakes
  • [43:44] — Everyday uses of AI ("Even your text now. AI Summarizing…")

9. Lifehacks: Consuming Media at Warp Speed

• Chad and Sean on tiptoeing through backlogs of TV and films by “hyperbingeing”:

  “We called it the Hyper binge, where we'd watch, like four episodes a day on 2x speed… Just Clockwork Orange style.” (38:10)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Reality TV:

  • “All reality TV is that way. And I find it very interesting to…analyze what's real, what's not, and then try to train players to infiltrate these various systems.” — Chad Kultgen [03:07]

• On Family and Political Division:

  • “Even if they're screaming and yelling, it’s like, that’s way more than we ever had before.” — Chad Kultgen [13:29]

• On the Real Game Post-TV:

  • “That's the real game being played.” — Chad Kultgen, on monetizing fame after reality TV [08:44]

• On the Authoritarian Playbook:

  • “Authoritarian Handbook 101. You select a group to be the enemy…whoever is not you, my MAGA follower. They are your enemy…” — Chad Kultgen [22:42]

• On Free Movement:

  • “I don't think we should have countries. It's all just arbitrary bullshit that we've made up.” — Chad Kultgen [22:17]

• AI Lawsuits:

  • “People don't know anything about how it works…They just hear AI and are like, this is terrible.” — Chad Kultgen [42:58]

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Timestamps by Segment

| Segment | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------|-------------------| | Reality TV’s constructed “lie” | 02:34–05:40 | | Coaching reality contestants/Game psychology | 05:48–08:41 | | Fame and monetization after reality shows | 08:09–09:44 | | Trading card investing and nerd culture | 29:36–33:27 | | Family political divide / “The Necessary Conversation” | 10:33–14:36 | | Authoritarian critique / Trump | 13:37–22:11 | | Borders, laws, and Immigration | 22:16–26:52 | | OnlyFans & social media culture | 28:07–29:25 | | AI and creative lawsuits | 39:05–44:16 | | Consuming TV at double speed / hyperbingeing | 38:10–39:02 |

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Conclusion

This episode is an unvarnished, lightning-paced exploration of how media manipulates both its subjects and its viewers—from the confessional “truths” of reality TV to the insidious divisions in American political life. Chad Kultgen’s rare vantage point, as both an insider (coach, commentator, collector, son) and detached observer, leads to a richness of insight—and an earnest call for keeping lines of dialogue open, even (especially) in fractured times.

Find Chad:

• "The Necessary Conversation" podcast (family politics)
• "Game of Roses" podcast (reality TV strategy)
• Instagram/Twitter: @BachelorClues

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Recommended for listeners eager for unfiltered views on media, politics, and modern culture, with a dash of nerdy excitement.

Transcript

[Reality TV Coach]

I'm 100% of the mind that we live in a dictatorship now because there's going to come a day when Trump is not in this shit. And then what? We've just got the split country that won't talk to each other because you did vote for Trump or whatever the case may be. It's crucially important to keep talking to one another so that the powers that be, Trump and the kind of right wing media engine can't use that against you. It's like your parents are actually not your enemies. It's the billionaire who's trying to take all your money and kill people in the streets. I just think he's deplorable. I think he's a narcissist. He's obviously greedy. He's 100% corrupt, the most corrupt president we've ever had. And he's trying to take control of this country in a way that is not democratic at all.

[Interviewer]

Okay, guys. Somehow got Chad out to Vegas. It's been 10 years.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, I think that's roughly the last time I was here. 10 years ago.

[Interviewer]

Welcome back.

[Reality TV Coach]

Thank you very much.

[Interviewer]

How much money have you lost so far?

[Reality TV Coach]

Not much. My gambling bug has moved on from Vegas games to Magic the Gathering pack rips at this point.

[Interviewer]

So that could be even worse though, right?

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah. I've lost way more on Magic the Gathering cards than I ever did in Vegas.

[Interviewer]

So ripping them or just buying them and they're going down in value?

[Reality TV Coach]

No, I just buy. No, I mean they're actually going up in value, the ones that I keep, you know, sealed or whatever. But I have a nice little collection.

[Interviewer]

Got it. Yeah. Because to maintain a good deck, you need to constantly be buying cards. Right? Is that how it works?

[Reality TV Coach]

And new sets come out. I mean, this 20, 26, there's gonna be seven sets that come out.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

So you're always kind of like implementing new cards into whatever.

[Interviewer]

I was just watching. We were talking about what we watch on YouTube in the hallway. I was watching like Yu Gi oh, battles. Like the championships.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah. Yu Gi oh, Pokemon Magic the Gathering. And now One Piece. Those are the big ones. Yeah. One Piece's sets came out maybe like two years ago. They started, I think, dude. And they have kind of taken the whole trading card world by storm.

[Interviewer]

That's the one anime I refuse to watch because there's like 3,000 episodes.

[Reality TV Coach]

Dude. I've tried. I. I got almost through season one of it and I was like on episode 70 or something, you know, I'm like, I can't there's like a thousand more episodes, so I gave up.

[Interviewer]

I just watched the fight highlights on YouTube. Yeah, that's how I stay up to it.

[Reality TV Coach]

Supposedly Netflix is about to do a new kind of remaster where they get rid of all the. And it's just the main story with new animation, no fillers.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, cuz fillers are like half the series. That's the one downside with anime.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

They can't keep up with the manga. Or manga, however you pronounce it.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, exactly.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Are you pretty big on anime? You watch it a lot?

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, I watch. I watch it a lot at this point. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

What are the favorite ones?

[Reality TV Coach]

I mean, shit, Chainsaw Man's hard to be at this point. Really love solo leveling.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Reality TV Coach]

Attack on Titan, obviously he's like a classic at this point. Nice.

[Interviewer]

I love how you balance all the nerdy shit like magic and anime with the Bachelor stuff. That's pretty impressive.

[Reality TV Coach]

I mean, that's nerdy shit to me as well. You know, I go very hard into reality television because I think it's the most most important media that we are making as a culture. It has given us our current president and the. It really is pro wrestling. In my opinion. There is a lie that is being conveyed in all reality TV shows that it is real.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

Whether it's Bachelor, where it's like these people are falling in love, or Traitors, where it's like this is a fair game they're playing.

[Interviewer]

I love that show, actually.

[Reality TV Coach]

I do. Dude. It's my favorite show on tv. But it's a lie. Like when they do their little challenges, there's no clock. So they have these players out there, like, acting like, oh, we're running out of time.

[Interviewer]

Why?

[Reality TV Coach]

They will just infuse new traders in at any given time and the. The producers are selecting them subjectively. So it's not like objective in any way. It's not a fair game. But all reality TV is that way. And I find it very interesting to kind of like pick it apart, analyze what's real, what's not, and then try to train players to infiltrate these various systems.

[Interviewer]

That's interesting because I do hear that a lot of it's bs, but I never know what percentage is like, actually real, you know?

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah. I mean, I would say almost all of it is bs. Like on the love shows, people obviously fall in love and get married and have kids, and that's a part of it. But to get to that point, to win a show like the Bachelor, you've got to navigate this weird traps and pitfalls kind of maze that the producers set up for you to get to that end point. And that part, getting through that maze is a game 100%. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Is it usually predetermined who makes it far in those type of shows?

[Reality TV Coach]

No. I mean, at least on Bachelor, the way it works is the producers, during casting are casting for a set of archetypes. The girl next door, the professional, the free spirit, the villain, you know, whatever they will cast. In casting for those roles, you are now cast as one of those roles. If you go into the show and you don't deliver on that, they'll just kick you off the show.

[Interviewer]

Got it.

[Reality TV Coach]

But on night one, generally the lead says, these three people are my top three, and that almost never changes. So the rest of it is the lead acting like they care about all the other players and the producers deciding who gets kicked off in which order to make the most entertaining show.

[Interviewer]

Okay, so the villain's pretty much predetermined, though.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

That makes. What about shows like Survivor? That's, like, one of my favorite shows.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, that. I mean, those shows that are, like, open game shows are much less tampered with by producers. That really is about, like, how the players are playing the game and stuff. And really, I mean, I guess the lie in those shows is when you see, like, the little insert shots or something, you know, something falling in the sand or whatever. They just had one on Traders. Are you caught up on Traders?

[Interviewer]

Not the new season. I want to start soon.

[Reality TV Coach]

Okay. There's a. This not really a spoiler. There's a challenge they have to do where they have to, like, latch these ropes to these boats, and they have these insert shots of, like, hands latching these ropes on the boats, and you're like, well, that didn't happen there, you know, so there's. At least in the artifice of the actual document you're watching, there are some lies being told in all these shows.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. I just feel like naturally, when every conversation is being recorded, you're going to play into it a little bit, you know, of course, like, it's just human nature for sure. So I think that's the part that I'm cool with. But scripting and all that, I guess it's whatever.

[Reality TV Coach]

I mean, on Bachelor, definitely I have firsthand knowledge of literal scripts being given to players and saying, read this and we'll invite you to Bachelor on Paradise.

[Interviewer]

No way.

[Reality TV Coach]

Get in a fight with this person and we'll invite you to Bachelor on Paradise. They use that as a Bargaining chip.

[Interviewer]

A lot. Wow. How many guys have you put on the show at this point?

[Reality TV Coach]

I never divulge the number or the identity of my players. That's the deal I make with them. But I've had one player come out who's now completely out of that system. She's with a guy. And we did a whole episode on my podcast, Game of Roses, about coaching her and what it was like to go into the game, blah, blah, blah.

[Interviewer]

Oh, so is it girl? You coach the girls, too?

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, I've never coached a guy, actually.

[Interviewer]

Oh.

[Reality TV Coach]

But I've coached a lot of women. They're. They're just much better players. They understand, like, the game kind of intrinsically interesting.

[Interviewer]

I thought you were coaching dudes.

[Reality TV Coach]

No.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Reality TV Coach]

Not yet.

[Interviewer]

Ladies.

[Reality TV Coach]

Man, out here, it really, to me is just like, I feel like I'm coaching Olympic athletes to go, you know, deliver their best performances, and then they come out of the show and debrief me about how it went and all that type of. It's fascinating. It's like playing the Bachelor as a video game, basically.

[Interviewer]

That's cool. What about Love is Blind? You coach anyone on that one?

[Reality TV Coach]

I. As I said, I cannot say I will not divulge, but I'm definitely coaching people for multiple shows at this point.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, that one's interesting to me. I've seen a few episodes of that one.

[Reality TV Coach]

Love is Blind is a much easier game to play because there's. It's more about manipulating the producers into keeping you in the edit. Like, almost every season now, multiple couples emerge, and only half of them or so actually go to the next phase on camera. So the producers are deciding you're either an entertaining couple or not out of the pods, as they call it. And then some players get to go to the honeymoon phase. Some are just like, listen, we know you got engaged in the pods, but unfortunately, you're being sent home. Buck you very much. Yeah. So really, that game is about kind of trying to convince the producers that you're going to be good tv.

[Interviewer]

And do they actually have to get married? Do you know if that's, like, a real contract on Love is Blind?

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah. If they get married, in the end, they are illegally wed. Wow. But I mean, at this, I think last season, no one did really. Yeah. I think that's kind of the direction it's going. What most people, I think the general audience who watches reality TV in this capacity doesn't understand is no one is going on those shows to find love. They are going on that show to get famous. And oh, maybe I'll fall in love. And they do. Like I said those two things. Like saying it's a game doesn't mean I don't think people fall in love. They very much do. And a lot of it, I think, comes from trauma, bonding and this wild experience they have where these producers are, like, controlling their lives and fudgeing, wrecking them. And they're like, oh, shit. We're the only two people on earth who can truly understand. Understand this. But certainly people do fall in love. But generally speaking, it's the players who play the game the best that actually get that opportunity to fall in love.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Yeah. That's the only reason I'd go on a reality TV show would be to get recognition, of course, you know, and

[Reality TV Coach]

that's at this point, it's like the ability to come off of a show like that and be famous enough that you can monetize your TikTok, your YouTube, your Instagram, whatever. Depending on what show you're on, the odds are very high. If you go on like A Love Island USA now, the odds are very, very high.

[Interviewer]

Y.

[Reality TV Coach]

Maybe 15 to. Yeah. Harry Jos? Is the most successful male reality player of all time. You know, the odds are very high on a Love island that you're going to be one of the 10 to 15% of players that walk out of there with over a million Instagram followers.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Reality TV Coach]

And getting deals with Google and to do sponsored content.

[Interviewer]

That's crazy.

[Reality TV Coach]

That's the real game being played.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. That's what I would do. And he. He didn't even take it serious when he went on. I remember he was sleeping around the whole time.

[Reality TV Coach]

Well, did he or did he not take it seriously? I think he's like a genius level reality player. I've listened to a bunch of his podcasts where he's talking about creating characters. Even in the casting process where he would fire off different applications to reality shows as different characters, literally writing his own catchphrases, coming up with how he's going to behave on these shows, all that kind of shit. And it worked. Like, it worked.

[Interviewer]

I didn't know that.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, he's a real, like, he understands the game of that lie of what reality TV is, so. Well, I just. We've never seen a male player that dominant before.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, he's the go. I feel like Boston Rob's up there too.

[Reality TV Coach]

Well, Boston Rob, though, is Survivor and Traders.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, that's the point.

[Reality TV Coach]

It's like, you know, in those games, in like Survivor, Big Brother, even Traders, you are encouraged to be duplicitous. You are rewarded for lying and. And being, like, manipulative. But in a game like Housewives or Bachelor, that's exactly the opposite. You will get called for the wrong reasons and be kicked off the show or people will hate your guts or whatever. So it's like there's difference in attitude, which is why I love Survivor. It's like, to me, the mixed martial arts of reality tv, you get to see these different disciplines of, like, Bravo versus Bachelor versus Survivor and see who actually wins.

[Interviewer]

We got to get you on there.

[Reality TV Coach]

Set it up, dude.

[Interviewer]

Let's do it, bro. Traders and Survivor are like the two I would do personally. An Amazing Race, maybe, but I feel like that could ruin your relationship if you. If you lose pretty bad.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, you know, that's true for sure.

[Interviewer]

Risky one. In a dating relationship. Absolutely.

[Reality TV Coach]

You're in. You're in close quarters for a month and a half, just, like, going around the world in these very, very hectic situation.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, I'd probably do that one with, like, a friend, not, like my wife.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, exactly.

[Interviewer]

Playing a little safe. Sure. Let's move on to politics, because you got a podcast with your. Your MAGA parents, right?

[Reality TV Coach]

I do.

[Interviewer]

So both of them are maga.

[Reality TV Coach]

Both of my parents are very maga. I mean, as MAGA as it gets, my sister and I are very much not MAGA at all. Quite the opposite. And, yeah, we didn't talk to each other or my sister and I weren't really talking to our parents for a number of years during kind of the end of Obama and the end of his second term into Trump's first term. We just didn't have a relationship with them.

[Interviewer]

Wow. Is that bad?

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, it was terrible. I mean, we'd go home for like, a Christmas or a birthday or whatever, and within five minutes, we just all be in the living room. Fox News would be on three TVs, and my dad would just be screaming in our face about how stupid we were, and it got to be too much. But at a certain point, you know, my parents were like, getting older during. This is during Biden's term.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

And I was like, are we really going to just go the rest of their lives and not talk to them? Let me call my mom up. At that point, I was doing a couple of podcasts. I really like podcasting as an art form. So I was like, let me call my mom up and see if she would be down to just have an hour conversation with me about politics. She was down for it. We did it. Then my dad got jealous and was like, I want to do one. And so he came on, and then my sister came on. And now for about three years, we've been doing it as a family. Every week on Sundays, we debate the kind of, like, big political issues that happened that week.

[Interviewer]

Wow. So you've been able to monetize your family disconnect or whatever you call it?

[Reality TV Coach]

I mean, a little bit. You know, we. We started out for the first maybe like two and a half years of it. I was. I didn't have time to do the social media or cut clips or any of that shit.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

And so I just let my mom do the social media. That didn't go well. I mean, it didn't go badly. It was just weird. You know, my mom posts, like, pictures of horses and butterflies and shit, and it's like, well, this isn't really helping promote our show. And so I was on another podcast called Dudesy. And when that ended last year, ish, I was like, where am I gonna put this energy? So I said, let me take over the social media, Put some elbow grease into this. And I started doing that around February, March of 2025. And it was like, pretty immediately, we were getting a lot of views on TikTok and Instagram and stuff like that.

[Interviewer]

That's how I found you. Yeah. I think you had a viral clip.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, we've had a few do pretty big on there. And. Yeah, I mean, it's all in service of, like, promoting the YouTube channel.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Wow, that is an interesting origin story for that show.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, I, you know, I. I have a lot of people DM me or like, email me saying I'm in a very similar situation. I have this family member that's like, horribly maga and I can't get through to them. Do you have any advice? And I'm always like, start a podcast with them. It works.

[Interviewer]

It's almost like therapy, right?

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah. I mean, we actually had a therapist on last week that was fucking fascinating because we didn't talk about politics at all. Oh, she was just asking my dad about, like, his childhood and his value systems, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And it got to him in a way that none of our political arguing ever has.

[Interviewer]

No way.

[Reality TV Coach]

But, yeah, it's. You know, the podcast is on its face about politics, but it really. The kind of, like, layer down, at least for me and my sister, is that it forces our parents to have a relationship with us where they talk to us for an hour a week.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Reality TV Coach]

Even if they're screaming and yelling, it's like, that's way more than we ever had before.

[Interviewer]

You know, that's true. Have either of you, whether it's you or your parents, moved politically on the spectrum since the shows?

[Reality TV Coach]

No. Nor do I think. I mean, if anything we've moved further into our, our respective corners, you know, especially with everything that's going on with Trump now. Like I'm 100% of the mind that we live in a dictatorship now. He controls everything with no recourse. You've got Ice murdering people now with no investigations. That dude who, who killed Renee Goode, to my knowledge, ICE has basically like taken him away. He's in hiding now and they're like protecting him from even being investigated.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Reality TV Coach]

I don't know what else to call it other than a dictatorship. So I think, and my sister feels similarly. She and I now are like even further left because of all this stuff. My parents are further right because they're like, finally, Trump's winning, you know. But the show isn't really about changing anybody's mind. It really is about the idea that we have to keep talking to each other. Not just me and my parents, but anybody who's on the opposite sides of this divide. Because there's going to come a day when Trump is not in the shit, you know, and then what? We've just got the split country that won't talk to each other because you did vote for Trump or, you know, whatever the case may be. I think it's like it's crucially important to keep talking to one another so that the, the powers that be, Trump and the kind of right wing media engine can't use that against you. It's like your parents are actually not your enemies. It's the fucking billionaire who's trying to take all your money and kill people in the streets.

[Interviewer]

Right. Speaking of right wing media engine, do you feel like that's growing? Because now Ellison, he bought who, the cbs. Right. And they also own Tick Tock now and they're trying to buy more assets.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, I mean, for sure, you know, it's yes. I mean, the answer is yes. I think the CBS at this point is like, it's starting to go into state run media territory, like Russia style Tick Tock. I've noticed our views on those Tick Tocks aren't quite the same since they got it, you know, and I don't know, like, I don't, I have no real objective information to that end, but it's like I know what my Experience on that app is. And it's drastically different now. You know what's weird, though, is I would say our Facebook and Instagram views haven't really changed. And I'm like, I know Zuckerberg is part of that club.

[Interviewer]

Same with mine. Yeah, mine, I feel like mine have gotten better. I feel like their censorship has gotten a little looser, honestly, on Facebook and Instagram.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, I do too. And I find that pretty interesting, I guess. But, yeah, I mean, that's part of the authoritarian playbook. It's like, take control of the media, of the money, of the police. He's got the police, he's got ice doing murders. The money we just saw this week, he's coming after Jerome Powell, the Fed chair, literally criminal investigation against the guy who controls our money. So he's going to try and control the money. And of course he controls the media now, at least on cbs and, you know, TikTok.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, he's going for it this term. I feel like he doesn't give a shit as much as the first term,

[Reality TV Coach]

100%, because he knows at this point, for him to remain in office past this term, he has got to take control as a dictator of this country. He's got to essentially get rid of the Constitution. And I think that's what he's trying to do.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, I just saw him say that. He pretty much admitted that they're gonna lose the midterms and they might try to impeach him. He made some statement of like, even though I'm doing amazing this term, we're still gonna lose this, and then they're gonna try to impeach me.

[Reality TV Coach]

Huh. Interesting. I mean, you are seeing some stuff happening with, like, some of the Senate and Congressional Republicans turning on him a little bit, but not totally. Like, there was a thing that happened this past week. Two bills passed through the House and the Senate unanimously across the aisle, all Republicans, all Democrats, voted for both of these. One of them was a clean drinking water bill in Colorado, and the other one was a tribal lands bill, I believe, and I can't remember where it was passed unanimously. He vetoed them both because the Colorado drinking water one, Lauren Boebert, was a part of that, and she was very vocal about wanting the Epstein files to come out. So he's like, nope, veto. And then the other one was the tribe, I believe the tribe that was involved with that bill was against his immigration policies. So he's like, veto that. So it goes back to Congress. And now those same Republicans who voted unanimously to pass these Bills uphold the veto. So it's like, It's. They're not 100% on his side, but he can still kind of get them in line. I don't know. I mean, I've also heard, like, I read some article the other day that was talking about Trump is trying to get all the heads of the military to come up with invasion plans for Greenland.

[Interviewer]

I saw that.

[Reality TV Coach]

And they're trying to be like, no, not so fast, that's illegal. So at least there are, like, some checks that seem to still be holding. I think Congress is not one of them, the Supreme Court is not one of them. But the military maybe will hold. I don't know. I don't know. We're in very scary times at this point. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

I mean, he's got Venezuela. What's next, Right?

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Saying Greenland.

[Reality TV Coach]

Exactly. I think that kidnapping the President of Venezuela was like a test. Can I do this? What's the world going to do to stop me? So far, nothing. Literally nothing.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. No one really stood up for him.

[Reality TV Coach]

The next step is going to be a bigger one, I think.

[Interviewer]

Wow, that's crazy, dude.

[Reality TV Coach]

I agree.

[Interviewer]

No new wars, huh?

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, exactly. Give me the Nobel Peace Prize also. I'm going to kidnap a president. Cool.

[Interviewer]

Nuts, man. Yeah, he's doing his thing. A lot happening globally. Iran protests looking like they're. They're ramping up. Israel, Iran, could be a war this year.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah. That's some crazy shit. I saw they turned off the Internet on them over there.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

And I'm like, well, Trump do that here.

[Interviewer]

Holy shit.

[Reality TV Coach]

You know, he's watching that being like, what can we do to protesters to fuck them over?

[Interviewer]

Dude, that'd be nuts. If you shut off the Internet.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah. I don't know how that works. I mean, I can't imagine what it is like in Iran right now for those protesters wanting this change, wanting to have essentially some kind of similarity, what we have here in terms of freedom of expression, freedom of speech, a new government that's more democratic and they just turn off the Internet on you.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

Terrifying.

[Interviewer]

Anything you've liked that he's done so far? Just being objective, Trump.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, the weed thing was good.

[Interviewer]

I thought you're a big cannabis enthusiast.

[Reality TV Coach]

I mean, I won't say big, but you know, from time to time. Yeah, I think that was a good move. He took it from a Schedule 1 to a Schedule 3 drug. So it's not, you know, doesn't carry as hefty of a fine in the States where they still are, you know, say it's illegal or whatever. That's about it, though, dude.

[Interviewer]

Really?

[Reality TV Coach]

I'll say this. You know, give me weed as a Schedule 1 drug if I can get rid of all the other shit. I just think he's deplorable. I think he's a narcissist. He's obviously greedy. He's 100% corrupt, the most corrupt president we've ever had, and he's trying to take control of this country in a way that is not democratic at all.

[Interviewer]

There's two things I've liked from him. We might disagree on this, but the credit card interest that he just passed. Did you see that?

[Reality TV Coach]

No, I didn't see it.

[Interviewer]

Um, so credit cards right now are charging crazy interest. Like, some of them, 2 to 3% a month. Um, he wants to lower it to 10% a year, max.

[Reality TV Coach]

Okay.

[Interviewer]

So I felt like that was pretty good. A lot of people have credit card debt.

[Reality TV Coach]

Sure, if it helps people with debt. That's. That's fantastic.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. I mean, that one doesn't even affect me, but I know it affects a lot of people, so I felt like that one was good. And then the child. Did you see the childhood vaccine schedule that he adjusted?

[Reality TV Coach]

No.

[Interviewer]

So right now, ages 0 to 18 72. Vaccines for children. He wants to lower that to 11.

[Reality TV Coach]

Oh, shit. I don't know about that, dude. Like, you got to ask a doctor. I'm for vaccines. You know, I'm for medical technology, medical health.

[Interviewer]

All the vaccines are just certain ones.

[Reality TV Coach]

I mean, it's kind of on a person by person basis, you know, figure out what's right for you or whatever. Yeah, but I think the. The 72 vaccine schedule. I don't know how this works, but I assume that's a recommendation.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, it's not mandatory.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, exactly. They're not like, stealing your kid into the night, being like, we're going to go vaccinate your kid.

[Interviewer]

I think if you're an athlete, there's certain ones you have to get, but I'm not sure the exact number, but I remember when I did track and field that I had to get certain vaccines.

[Reality TV Coach]

Oh, interesting.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, those two things sound great. Whatever. You know, the bottom line is this dude tweeted minutes after an ICE officer murdered a U.S. citizen that, oh, my God, he barely escaped with his life. He's in the hospital recovering. A total lie. Kristi Noem did the same thing. They are protecting this guy who murdered someone. It's like the little things that he's done. Maybe this credit card thing, maybe the vaccine thing, maybe the weed thing, those are all kind of like little quality of life improvements for certain groups.

[Interviewer]

Great.

[Reality TV Coach]

The bottom line is he has a secret police force that is openly murdering US Citizens and nothing is done being done about it. That's a little scarier to me, I guess, than any of the other shit.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, I guess it depends what your. Your priorities are and what outweighs. Right?

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah. And I would say, you know, these little kind of, like I said, quality of life improvements, they're just not in the same category to me as, like, the fall of United States democracy being ruled by a dictator who's going to control everything that we see in here.

[Interviewer]

Was immigration like a big issue for you? I know that was what they ran on in the second term.

[Reality TV Coach]

Like, for me personally.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

Fuck no, dude. I don't. I don't think we should have countries. It's all just arbitrary bullshit that we've made up. You know, I'm. For everybody going freely wherever they want to go in the world. I literally don't think that we should have countries. Wow. I know. That's.

[Interviewer]

That's a hot take right there.

[Reality TV Coach]

I just don't like. We're all people. That's how I view it. You know, my parents, though, it was a huge issue for them.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

And they.

[Interviewer]

A lot of maga. It was.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yes, exactly. Because they'd been sold this weird lie that, like, too many immigrants are coming here and ruining everything and taking our jobs and this and that. And I mean, one of the things that Trump really uses and this is Authoritarian Handbook 101. You select a group of people to be the enemy, and that changes pretty frequently with Trump. It can be the trans community, it can be the Somali community in Minnesota. It can be the immigrants, it can be whoever. You know, it's whoever is not you, my MAGA follower. They are your enemy. And once you can be mad at that enemy group, he can use that all day long to manipulate you into anything. Accepting things, voting for things, you know, whatever. Interesting. But, yeah, for me, immigration, I'm like, I don't give a shit. Let anybody in here, please.

[Interviewer]

What an interesting take. I've never heard this take, so I want to learn more about this.

[Reality TV Coach]

So I just don't see the downside.

[Interviewer]

What about criminal record?

[Reality TV Coach]

Well, crime is not immigration, though.

[Interviewer]

Like, if someone has a criminal record and they want to come here, is that a. Would you care about that?

[Reality TV Coach]

I guess it depends on what the crime is. There's a lot of laws that I don't agree with. Laws too are not real. These are just things we've made up, you know.

[Interviewer]

You're an anarchist. Anarchist.

[Reality TV Coach]

I mean, I don't think I'm an anarchist. I do think that there should be some order to society so we can all be happy and get along with one another and whatever.

[Interviewer]

Agreed.

[Reality TV Coach]

But like, you know, saying you had, you were found with weed in your car in Texas, you now have to go to jail for a year is like, what?

[Interviewer]

Yeah, I don't like that.

[Reality TV Coach]

It's insane.

[Interviewer]

There's some wild statistics. Don't quote me on this, but like average person commits like three crimes a week or something.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, exactly. And it's, it's about selective enforcement of these laws. And of course, in the Trump regime, it's like they're going to go after whoever they want to go after. This Jerome Powell thing. Yeah, they just picked something and we're like, go after him for that. Or Letitia James. That's true. Or whoever they're trying to indict. James Comey. They just pick a person and say, find something on them. Get a grand jury to indict them. And now we're taking them to court. It has nothing really to do with like objective enforcement of these laws, which again, I don't agree with, with many laws, but, yeah, like murderers and stuff. People who are committing crimes that are kind of against the fabric of society. Fine, don't, don't let them come into, in quotes your country. But for the most part, it's like people should be able to go where they want and do what they want, in my opinion.

[Interviewer]

I just wonder if like a ton of people come here at once. Would that affect the job market in a, in a pretty drastic way, you know?

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, maybe. I don't know that we get all these statistics coming out about how many people in our job market are already, you know, quote, illegal immigrants that are working on farms and doing all this kind of shit. You know, how many they rated? I, I want to say they've rated forms ICE has in California and all this stuff, you know, and so it's like, well, is that the job market you're talking about or what job market are we talking about here? That they're.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. I mean, you and I would be fine. I'm just saying, like, probably the minimum wage jobs, you know, but you're right, there's all obviously a lot of illegals working there already.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, I guess. I, I just don't, I don't know. I. This is just my Own personal take on this. I know everybody feels strongly about it and all that kind of shit, but I think the world is a better place when we relax. These restrictions on who can and can't go here and there and do this and that.

[Interviewer]

It would be cool to live wherever you wanted. If I want to just live in Thailand one day or.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, exactly.

[Interviewer]

Go to Italy for a few months.

[Reality TV Coach]

Exactly. Without paperwork and money and all the shit that you have to do and waiting periods and blah blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Interviewer]

I mean right now when you fly in there, it's like some countries like an interrogation, like why are you here for a week? Like what are you doing here?

[Reality TV Coach]

You know, I watch a lot of. Not to go back to reality TV, but I watch a lot of 90 Day Fiance.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

With my girlfriend. It's like her favorite show. And you see the hoops that these people have to jump through and whatever. You could. You can make arguments all day long about are these legitimate relationships or not. But in a situation like that where you fall in love and you want to get married with somebody from a different country. Yeah, it's a nightmare.

[Interviewer]

It's a nightmare. Yeah. You got to expedite the marriage in some situations, right?

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, exactly. You have to get married almost immediately without really knowing them. Even in the US if you. You do the what the title of that show is 90 Day Fiance. That refers to the K1 visa where you can get somebody from a different country can get this visa to come here for 90 days and you have to be married at the end of that 90 days or they go the fuck back to wherever they're from. That seems crazy to me.

[Interviewer]

I've heard some of the questions they ask. I don't know which agency does that, but when you get someone a green card through marriage, they ask like what color toothbrush your spouse uses. They ask like some really wild to try and validate.

[Reality TV Coach]

Like this is a real relationship and they actually do know each other.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, but like I don't even know that. I've been with my girl for eight years. Color toothbrush they have.

[Reality TV Coach]

Oh my God.

[Interviewer]

I mean, you know. You know your girls. Yeah. Really?

[Reality TV Coach]

Oh yeah.

[Interviewer]

That's impressive.

[Reality TV Coach]

It's kind of guy.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Very detail oriented. Huh. Did you meet her on a show or is that kind of too personal?

[Reality TV Coach]

On a show? No, we met on a dating app. A long ass time.

[Interviewer]

Tinder?

[Reality TV Coach]

No, it was called. I don't even think it exists anymore. I want to say it was chemistry.com.

[Interviewer]

okay.

[Reality TV Coach]

Maybe not even an app.

[Interviewer]

A website Chemistry dot com. Yeah, if you can. I haven't heard of that one. I know my mom used.

[Reality TV Coach]

I don't even know if it exists.

[Interviewer]

I don't know. My mom used plenty of fish. Is that one still around?

[Reality TV Coach]

I remember that one. That was at the same time, I think is what I'm talking about. I remember giving away my age.

[Interviewer]

I remember she would always sort by income level and.

[Reality TV Coach]

Oh, damn, she knew what she was doing.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, well, she. She's a high income earner, so I think it's hard for women to date down, you know. Yeah. When they're making a certain amount. And that's why the only fans culture now has gotten out of hand, in my opinion.

[Reality TV Coach]

I don't know anything about the only fans culture.

[Interviewer]

Oh, you don't know?

[Reality TV Coach]

I mean, I know roughly what it is and all of that, but I don't. I'm not really. I don't understand like how much money is being made other than when the big stories come out, like Bella Thorne broke only fans or whatever a couple of years ago.

[Interviewer]

It's like any industry where, like even podcasts, it's like the top 1% make, you know, millions and then everyone else that tries it doesn't make anything.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah. Interesting.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Most girls make nothing and then they're selling their bodies and it's. Yeah, that's a whole nother topic.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, totally.

[Interviewer]

Do you get into all the dating stuff, like beef on. On social media these days, like between the red pill community, the feminists, or do you kind of stay out of that?

[Reality TV Coach]

Wait, what now? Tell me the dating beefs on red pill feminists.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. No, I don't know anything about pill versus feminists. So do you know what those movements are kind of.

[Reality TV Coach]

I know what feminists are.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Reality TV Coach]

Have you heard red pill is like maga.

[Interviewer]

Red pills, like anti feminist kind of. Yeah. Trad wife.

[Reality TV Coach]

I'm aware of it a little bit. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

There's a whole podcast built on one guy at a table with eight girls. I'm sure you've seen clips.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yes. And he'll be like, tell me what you get out of doing only.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

And they just prove me wrong. It's kind of a Charlie Kirk esque, pretty much.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. They just. On the girls, the whole episode.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

It gets millions of views.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Yes. You don't follow that too much though.

[Reality TV Coach]

I don't follow it. Every once in a while one of those things pops into my. My feed and I scroll past it quick.

[Interviewer]

You just stick to your magic. The gathering cards.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah. That's What? That's what hooks me. If I see a pack rip video, I'm zeroed in. I'm not leaving that. I'm playing it half speed just to savor it.

[Interviewer]

What's the most expensive card you've pulled out of a pack rip?

[Reality TV Coach]

I mean, not a good one. Probably the most expensive card I pulled out of a pack. This is going to be very nerdy. Yeah, it's a fracture. Foil anime lanar elves from Modern Horizons 3. Thank you very much.

[Interviewer]

Never heard of that.

[Reality TV Coach]

Exactly. It, like, immediately when you ask that question, it gets very nerdy.

[Interviewer]

We just lost all the viewers. How much was it worth, though?

[Reality TV Coach]

Like 700 or something.

[Interviewer]

Is that raw or graded?

[Reality TV Coach]

Raw.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Reality TV Coach]

I have never graded a card.

[Interviewer]

You don't?

[Reality TV Coach]

I'm afraid to mail them away.

[Interviewer]

That was a fear of mine. So actually I gave them physically to someone to drive to psa because they're in California, I think, and I was living in LA at the time. Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

Oh, maybe I should do that.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Look into that. Or I know they're in Cali. I don't know if it's la. So they drove there and. And then I physically went there to pick it up.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, that's what I would have to do as well.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

I just don't trust, like, especially the cards that I want to get graded are like, you know, I don't want that shit lost in the mail.

[Interviewer]

I don't blame you, man. I see videos of card shops getting broken into all the time.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah. It's wild.

[Interviewer]

People know that that's where the money is.

[Reality TV Coach]

Totally.

[Interviewer]

You get into one of those stores, they could have six, seven figures in cards.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah. There was a big thing that happened this past year with in June, roughly, Magic the Gathering came out with their Final Fantasy set. They've been doing a lot of these sets where they call them Universes beyond, where they license IP from other sh. Like, they're gonna have a Star Trek one.

[Interviewer]

Oh, wow, that's dope.

[Reality TV Coach]

But that Final Fantasy set blew up the collector's boxes. The MSRP on them was like $450. Within two months, they were selling for 1500 bucks on eBay. And so people were just like, flipping them, flipping them, flipping them. And now it's kind of calmed down a little bit. There was a big crash. Everything's kind of getting back to normal. But I think a lot of people who are in that collectible trading card or collectibles world at all that are investors, like, flooded the Magic the Gathering market, and it's done Some interesting things to it.

[Interviewer]

That's interesting. I'm really fascinated how magic has stayed relevant over the years, because I never understood it when I was a kid. It was too complicated for me. Yeah, I feel like Pokemon was so much easier. I collect a lot of Pokemon.

[Reality TV Coach]

Well, Pokemon, the. They have understood the collectibility and, like, how to print for that. Since Set one, Magic the Gathering has just kind of come around to, like, serialized cards and foils and all that kind of shit in the last. Really. In the last, like six or seven years, I think.

[Interviewer]

Got it.

[Reality TV Coach]

But I mean, it's all there now, like, and there's all these other little trading card games popping up, like sorcery and flesh and blood and, you know, there's just like a huge industry of it and it's followed now. I mean, there's even a website called MTG Stocks that you can look at one card and just watch it go up and down all day like a stock.

[Interviewer]

So people are day trading these cards, dude.

[Reality TV Coach]

The thing that makes, I think, collectible trading card. Yes. The answer is yes. But the thing that makes it interesting, I think, is they are like physical commodities. It's not like stock, which is an abstract idea. There is no stock. You know, you're not getting anything. You're just putting your money into this idea and seeing if that idea goes up or down with this. It's a card. And so there are some cards on the reserve list, which means they'll never be reprinted again. That if you have enough money, you can do a buyout of that one card and the value just skyrockets and you own them all.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

So that if someone wants to buy one, you kind of control the price from there.

[Reality TV Coach]

Exactly.

[Interviewer]

Okay, so is that what you're doing?

[Reality TV Coach]

I wish. That kind of money, dude, I'm talking about millions of dollars damage to do this. But some people have done it successfully in the past, and that's kind of like in terms of collectible trading card investing. Those stories are kind of like part of the history.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, I'm watching, you know, Ken golden show on Netflix. Yeah, yeah. Just started watching that.

[Reality TV Coach]

It's fascinating. Yeah, he does everything, though. He has sports trading cards. Like, he's collecting it all.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, I think he did a billion dollars last year or something in revenue.

[Reality TV Coach]

Wild insane, dude.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. A lot of its cards, though. I know that.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, for sure.

[Interviewer]

Like Pokemon. I know Logan Paul is doing. He's selling his this week, I think, on his site.

[Reality TV Coach]

The one that he wore in the necklace.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah. They think they're going to get 10 million from that.

[Reality TV Coach]

Jesus Christ. Dude.

[Interviewer]

Dude.

[Reality TV Coach]

Wild.

[Interviewer]

Because it's the only PSA 10 of that specific set and it was like version one or whatever.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, I mean a lot of these trading cards, sports cards to do this now where they'll print something that's a one of one. So like in sports cards you'll have like the big one was the LeBron James triple jump man that had in the card was embedded three NBA logos from his separate championship jerseys or whatever, you know. And that card out of a pack sold for crazy amount of money. They're magic does that too. Now they printed a 1 of 11 ring card in the Lord of the Rings set. And that card famously was bought by Post Malone.

[Interviewer]

No way.

[Reality TV Coach]

I think $2 million.

[Interviewer]

So post Malone's collecting Magic the Gathering?

[Reality TV Coach]

Oh yeah, dude. He's a big magic player.

[Interviewer]

Wow. Does he compete or he just collects that?

[Reality TV Coach]

I don't know. He'll pop up every once in a while on YouTube in like a. There's a bunch of different Magic the Gathering youtubers and sometimes he'll be in like one of their casual games or something. I don't know if he plays like pro level or Interesting.

[Interviewer]

Are you more on the competition side or collecting side?

[Reality TV Coach]

You said collecting side for sure. I mean I play with my friends and shit, but like I'm not. I don't go to tournaments.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, those guys are different.

[Reality TV Coach]

Totally. I used to do that in college and I'm just like the amount of time it takes. It's like that game, I think they have 20,000 cards at this point in the 30. Whatever your history of it, to be really good at that game, you have to know basically what all of those do in combination with one another.

[Interviewer]

Oh my God.

[Reality TV Coach]

You have to anticipate what the other person's deck might have in it in order to know what you should play or not play or, you know, blah, blah, blah. It's the amount of time invested in the amount. Like the knowledge base. You have to have to be really good at that game is like, I'll just never.

[Interviewer]

That's insane. And once you have your deck, can you change it? Like if you're in a tournament or do you have to use the same deck?

[Reality TV Coach]

The whole. It depends on what. I mean, God, this gets so nerdy. But there are different formats. Basically. There's a format called standard which uses all the sets of the. The current year basically. And it's a 60 card deck and it's streamlined to like win as quickly as possible. And that's hyper competitive. There's also limited, which is where you're like opening packs and making a deck out of what you get in those packs versus somebody else's opening packs and blah, blah, blah. And then there's the most popular. I mean, there's a bunch of formats, but the most popular one is called Commander, which is a hundred card deck. No card in it can be repeated. So it's 100 individual cards.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

And it's all based around one Commander. And that's kind of casual. There is a competitive version of that, but. Yeah, I mean, you can kind of choose how you want to play. Geez.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. I go to this board game spot where you can play like unlimited board games for like 10 bucks and people play magic and they also play Dungeons and Dragons. Oh, for sure, that one. That game's nuts to me, though.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, that's been around since what, 74, something like that.

[Interviewer]

I've never played that one, but those guys go hard, for sure. Like that show Stranger Things. I don't know if you watch that is just like that.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, I watched through season two, then I kind of fell out.

[Interviewer]

Oh, wow. Yeah. Don't finish it. In my opinion.

[Reality TV Coach]

Will do.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, one of those. I won't spoil it, but yeah, I don't like how Game of Thrones ended up. Reminded me of that.

[Reality TV Coach]

Me either. Yeah, it's a bad ending.

[Interviewer]

That was one of the best shows of all time.

[Reality TV Coach]

There's a new Game of Thrones coming out.

[Interviewer]

Oh, is there? Yeah, sequel. Prequel.

[Reality TV Coach]

It's just in that universe. It's called A Night of the Seven Kingdoms, but I think it comes out in a couple weeks.

[Interviewer]

Is that. Which family is it like?

[Reality TV Coach]

I have no idea. Okay.

[Interviewer]

I watched the Targaryen one. I forget the name.

[Reality TV Coach]

House of Dragons.

[Interviewer]

Yes, that one was a dragon. Good so far. Yeah, it's not bad, but they'll fuck it up at the end, I'm sure.

[Reality TV Coach]

I feel like.

[Interviewer]

Let's see. There's a lot of pressure with those shows to have a picture perfect ending, you know, to please everyone.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

So I don't think you can really have a good ending.

[Reality TV Coach]

What? Dude, did you ever watch Six Feet under? Hbo?

[Interviewer]

Is that a show?

[Reality TV Coach]

Oh, yeah, no, it was maybe 5 seasons, 6 seasons back in the early 2000s. Highly recommend watching that. That's probably the best ending of any TV show I've ever seen in my life. Absolutely fantastic.

[Interviewer]

Better than Dexter ending.

[Reality TV Coach]

I never watched Dexter. Oh, you never watched that Breaking Bad ending?

[Interviewer]

Better than Breaking Bad ending.

[Reality TV Coach]

Fantastic. Yeah, Way better than breaking.

[Interviewer]

Wow, that one was good.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah. You can watch just the end. I mean, you should just. The ending is on YouTube, though. Yeah, I watch it and still get chills.

[Interviewer]

Okay, I'll watch it. I watch a lot of movie highlights on YouTube. Yeah, do you see those? Mystery recaptains, stuff like that. I love how nerdy you are, bro. Yeah, I don't got time for full movies anymore.

[Reality TV Coach]

I watch everything on 2x speed. Say minimum.

[Interviewer]

Minimum.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

I'm up to 3x on certain audiobooks.

[Reality TV Coach]

Absolutely. I just. We did a thing, my friend and I, who do our Bachelor podcast, Game of Roses. We wrote a book called how to Win the Bachelor. That's like kind of the moneyball of that game system. And in order to do that, we had to watch every season of the Bachelor and take meticulous notes about, like, all the roses, the different group date types, one on one types, blah, blah, blah, all the different game mechanics. And we. I mean that at the time, there were 25 seasons of it. Each season was 10 to 12 episodes, two hours apiece, you know?

[Interviewer]

Oh, my God.

[Reality TV Coach]

And so we did a thing that we called the Hyper binge, where we'd watch, like four episodes a day on 2x speed. You know, just typing like this, like Clockwork Orange style. And that got me very used to watching shit on fast speed.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. You could train your tolerance.

[Reality TV Coach]

Absolutely.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Some people have to work their way up slower, like 12 and then 15 and then 1 7. But you went straight to 2. You're like, fuck it.

[Reality TV Coach]

We had to, because we had a deadline on this book. And I did the math, and I was like, wait a minute, Wait a minute. We fucked ourselves. We have to watch, like, 13 seasons of this in a week. How the hell are we going to do this?

[Interviewer]

Jeez, you must have went crazy watching that.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, dude. At the end of it, it was like we felt like different people. Yeah, I've never done anything like that where we literally. There were some days where we would have to take a day off because it was like, I can't do it today. But it was pretty much seven days a week, maybe 10 hours a day, just mainlining Bachelor in order from season one to season 25.

[Interviewer]

Oh, my gosh.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, it was wild.

[Interviewer]

That's insane. You working on any books right now?

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, I just finished one, actually. Hopefully it'll be coming out this year.

[Interviewer]

Nice.

[Reality TV Coach]

It's about. It's another novel about a guy dating about 30 years in the future when the entire world is controlled by AI,

[Interviewer]

sex robots and all that.

[Reality TV Coach]

There are sex robots in that universe. But it doesn't get into that. It starts out with the AI basically saying, I've had access to all of your data for the past 30 years or so, and now I'm going to tell you who your soulmate is. And so the AI says all you got to do is ask. And everybody starts asking. And then we zero in on our main guy and his fiance, and the fiance is like, so should we use that? And he's like, no, we're getting married. She uses it, dumps him, and then he's kind of cast into this world where this AI is just telling you who your soulmate is.

[Interviewer]

Oh, interesting. That is very interesting. Actually, speaking of AI. Yeah, AI Lawsuit. Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

Had one of those.

[Interviewer]

That didn't deter you from the AI industry at all?

[Reality TV Coach]

No, no, no. I mean, I know this is also probably a controversial take, but I love AI. I think it's like this kind of revolutionary tool for artists to be able to make anything you want super fast. I know a lot of people think all use of AI is AI slop, etc. Etc. But there's also a lot of human slop, I would say, for sure. I just like using it. I think it's fun to make songs and whatever, but on this podcast that I used to do called Dudesy it, the concept of that show was that an AI would tell me and my friend to come into the studio and then it would just tell us what to talk about in little segmented things in that podcast. The conceit was that AI heard that Tom Brady wanted to do standup after his NFL career, so the AI just made a Tom Brady standup hour. And so I wrote the entire standup thing. And then I used a program called 11 Labs to make the Voice. And we put that out and we got an immediate cease and desist from Tom Brady. And so we took it down. And then the next one I did was basically bringing George Carlin back from the dead. And I wrote an hour of Carlin's standup. In order to do that, I went back and I kind of did what I did with that bachelor thing. I hypervinged his entire career for, in order from his first standup special to his last. And I made kind of like complex grids about subjects that he liked to talk about, jokes he had already done.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

So I didn't repeat anything. And I basically wrote an hour of stand up using what I thought was like kind of Carlin's attitude about all These things, including AI and what it's like to be dead and be brought back by AI. He talks about Trump, he talks about politics, you know, all the shit. And then I used AI to make his voice, and we put it out. And the conceit of it was that this AI had done it, that this AI said, you know, I just made this George Carlin thing.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

And so we got sued by George Carlin's daughter and her lawyers who thought that it was real. And we had to go in the New York Times and be like, I wrote that.

[Interviewer]

Wow, this.

[Reality TV Coach]

There's nothing to sue here.

[Interviewer]

So immediate lawsuit, no, like, heads up, no demand letter or anything.

[Reality TV Coach]

Correct.

[Interviewer]

Wow. That's pretty rare, I feel like.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah. And it was also interesting because, like, zero research was done, you know, and I found that kind of, like, astounding, really, that this. This legal team never even called us or never even was like, hey, wait a minute, how did you make this?

[Interviewer]

Because lawsuits are pretty expensive.

[Reality TV Coach]

Exactly. And then we ended up, you know, settling it or whatever for not much money at all. You know, something that was way better than what the initial lawsuit was for. And that was it. And then we just all kind of moved on. But it really illustrated to me the idea, at least at that time, this has got to be shit a year and a half or two years ago, at least by now. It really illustrated to me that, like, people don't know anything about how it works. They just hear the phrase AI and immediately are like, this is terrible. It's destroying the world. Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. And it's like, but that's not what it is. It's just like, in my opinion, it's just kind of the next phase of how we use computers.

[Interviewer]

Right, I agree. Well, a lot of people have been programmed, to be fair, how they feel about AI through Hollywood movies.

[Reality TV Coach]

Terminator, dude, totally.

[Interviewer]

All that stuff.

[Reality TV Coach]

You know, every movie about technology in Hollywood is always like, technology bad.

[Interviewer]

IRobot.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, I. Don't get me started. Isaac Asimov is, like, one of my favorite writers of all time. And his book, his series of short stories, iRobot, is really about how, like, how will humanity interact with an artificially intelligent robotic system. You know, that movie was not that.

[Interviewer]

Not at all. Not even close. I never got that vibe once.

[Reality TV Coach]

Exactly.

[Interviewer]

Immediately you're just thrown into it. Yeah. That's wild. Yeah, I'm a huge fan. I use it every day. I use like six different AIs. I use Grok, I use. I feel like ChatGPT is not as good as it used to be.

[Reality TV Coach]

I agree.

[Interviewer]

Perplexity. Claude Manuscript. There's so many good ones.

[Reality TV Coach]

I'm big on the Google shit. I don't.

[Interviewer]

Gemini.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, I mean, I use it mainly to make, like, videos and images and stuff. I use AI way more to make music videos and images than I do anything else. I don't really use it for writing at all. I find that it's still pretty bad at writing. Getting better for sure. Every iteration getting better at everything, but it's still pretty bad for writing, I think. Also, I mean, I think most people don't understand, like, if you use a Google product, if you use an Apple product, if you use a meta product, you're using AI.

[Interviewer]

Yep.

[Reality TV Coach]

People think that it's just about, like, the image, you know? Oh, God, that's AI Slob. How dare you use AI? It's like, are you typing this on an iPhone? I hate to break it to you.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, you're using AI when it finishes your sentences. That's AI, Right.

[Reality TV Coach]

Even if you're just using Apple, how many billions of dollars are they investing in AI development or any of these companies? You are supporting that company who is using AI.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Even your text now. AI Summarizing it before you even open the text message.

[Reality TV Coach]

Exactly.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. It's crazy now. I think it's saving me a ton of time and making me more. More efficient.

[Reality TV Coach]

100. I mean, it still isn't in terms of, like, using it when you're asking it questions and stuff. That component of it. I'm always still like, this ain't right.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, it's pulling answers from Google.

[Reality TV Coach]

Exactly. It's. It's not always right.

[Interviewer]

I went to a restaurant that was

[Reality TV Coach]

closed because it said my girlfriend and I did that. We were looking for a. A weed shop. God, I. This is on my birthday. We were gonna go to, like, Medieval Times.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Reality TV Coach]

And we were like, we have to be high for this. So we were looking for a weed shop and we went to AI and it took us to just, like, some abandoned strip mall. I was like, well, it ain't there yet. Technology ain't there yet.

[Interviewer]

One day though, right?

[Reality TV Coach]

Yes, hopefully.

[Interviewer]

Well, dude, this was great. Where can people find your show? Keep up with you. And if they want to get on the Bachelor, hit you up, where can they find you?

[Reality TV Coach]

The podcast that I do with my parents is called the Necessary Conversation. You can find that anywhere across all social media. Game of Roses is my reality TV show one. You can find that anywhere. It's just called Game of Roses. And if you want to be coached, hit me up on a DM to Bachelor Clues.

[Interviewer]

Awesome. Check them out, guys, and see you soon.

[Reality TV Coach]

Yeah, man. Thanks for having me.

[Interviewer]

Cool. Peace. Thanks for watching to the end, guys. Please comment below your thoughts on the episode if you agree. If you disagree, I'd love to hear it. I read every single comment. It means a lot to me. Thank you so much.