Digital Social Hour – Episode: Red Light Vs. Cancer: Cutting-Edge Biohacking Explained | Jonathan Otto DSH #1401

Release Date: June 12, 2025
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: John Otto

Introduction

In this compelling episode of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly welcomes back one of his most viral guests, John Otto, to delve into the controversial yet intriguing subjects of urine therapy and red light therapy. The conversation promises to uncover unconventional approaches to health and longevity, challenging mainstream medical perspectives.

Urine Therapy: Debunking Myths and Exploring Benefits

Understanding Urine as a Therapeutic Agent

John Otto begins the discussion by addressing common misconceptions about urine, emphasizing its misunderstood role in health:

• John Otto [00:01]: "Urine is blood. It's plasma ultrafiltrate, which is plasma blood, ultrafiltrate, ultra filtered blood. That's all it is."

He challenges the notion that urine is merely a waste product, drawing parallels with other bodily excretions like breast milk and semen, which are not considered waste despite being expelled from the body.

• John Otto [02:14]: "They urinate every one to three hours in the womb and drink hundreds of milliliters of urine per day."

Urine’s Role in Fetal Development

Otto highlights the critical role of urine in fetal development, explaining how the fetus relies on amniotic fluid (predominantly urine) for growth and regeneration.

• John Otto [04:28]: "You'll see a scar on the outside of the woman, but on the inside there's no scar."

Stem Cells in Urine

A significant portion of the conversation focuses on the presence of stem cells in urine, which Otto claims are essential for regeneration and healing:

• John Otto [09:03]: "They found 140 in, in complete 24-hour urine sample. But then when they aged it for three weeks, it proliferated into 100 million."

He discusses his personal practices of aging urine to enhance its regenerative properties, despite facing skepticism and resistance from those around him.

Red Light Therapy: Mechanisms and Applications

Scientific Foundations of Red Light Therapy

Sean and Otto transition into red light therapy, exploring its scientific underpinnings and therapeutic potential:

• John Otto [18:13]: "Photo biomodulation is red light therapy. Photodynamic therapy is when you're adding in some kind of photosensitizing agent."

Cancer Treatment and Remission

Otto cites various studies demonstrating the efficacy of red light therapy in treating cancers, particularly highlighting a 2006 pilot study on cutaneous B cell lymphoma:

• John Otto [19:33]: "All treated patients achieved complete remission of cutaneous B cell lymphoma after a maximum of two photodynamic sessions."

He further references a European study on prostate cancer where red light therapy significantly outperformed control groups, achieving remission in 49 out of 413 participants compared to 13.5% in the control group.

• John Otto [20:07]: "Your likelihood was about four times greater of beating, in this case prostate cancer, going into remission if you used red light therapy."

Mechanism of Action

The discussion delves into how red light therapy induces the production of reactive oxygen species, such as singlet oxygen, which targets and induces apoptosis in tumor and senescent cells.

• John Otto [22:26]: "The body produces singlet oxygen when stimulated by red light. It targets cancer cells or senescent cells and causes apoptosis."

Integrating Urine and Red Light Therapy for Optimal Health

Combining Therapies for Enhanced Benefits

Otto advocates for the synergistic use of urine therapy and red light therapy, emphasizing their combined potential in promoting skin rejuvenation, detoxification, and overall cellular health.

• John Otto [16:11]: "It actually regenerates stem cells and it's proven to do that. They do that the body would just do it if it has the right stimulus."

Practical Applications and Devices

The conversation also covers practical aspects, including the use of specific devices designed to emit multiple wavelengths of red and near-infrared light, tailored to address various health issues from thyroid function to autoimmune diseases.

• John Otto [52:26]: "We put eight different wavelengths... targeting all these at once so that people could use this for all the different kinds of issues."

Controversies and Media Challenges

Facing Media Backlash

Otto openly discusses the challenges faced when promoting unconventional therapies, including resistance from traditional media outlets and accusations of promoting medical misinformation.

• John Otto [33:32]: "They were like, 'Jonathan is talking about bleach. This is super irresponsible.'"

Despite these challenges, both Otto and Kelly affirm the importance of disseminating alternative health information and maintaining open, censorship-free dialogues.

• Sean Kelly [37:41]: "You can't vet every single thing. You can't predict what people are going to say."

Future Directions and Community Support

Expanding Awareness and Accessibility

Otto emphasizes the need for greater awareness and accessibility to these alternative therapies, advocating for more research and integration into mainstream healthcare practices.

• John Otto [51:29]: "This is the future. It's already going this direction. It's in the studies."

Encouraging Proactive Health Measures

Both hosts encourage listeners to take proactive steps in their health journeys, utilizing biohacking techniques like urine therapy and red light therapy to enhance their well-being and combat chronic diseases.

• John Otto [50:01]: "You just harness your body's natural abilities to deal with these issues and turn over these unhealthy cells."

Conclusion

In this enlightening episode, John Otto and Sean Kelly provide a thorough exploration of urine therapy and red light therapy, presenting both scientific research and personal anecdotes to support their claims. They challenge conventional health paradigms, advocating for biohacking methods as viable alternatives for disease treatment and health optimization. Despite facing media skepticism, their passion for disseminating alternative health knowledge remains unwavering, offering listeners innovative tools for enhancing longevity and combating ailments like cancer.

Notable Quotes:

• John Otto [00:01]: "Urine is blood. It's plasma ultrafiltrate, which is plasma blood, ultrafiltrate, ultra filtered blood."
• John Otto [02:14]: "They urinate every one to three hours in the womb and drink hundreds of milliliters of urine per day."
• John Otto [18:13]: "Photo biomodulation is red light therapy. Photodynamic therapy is when you're adding in some kind of photosensitizing agent."
• John Otto [19:33]: "All treated patients achieved complete remission of cutaneous B cell lymphoma after a maximum of two photodynamic sessions."
• John Otto [22:26]: "The body produces singlet oxygen when stimulated by red light. It targets cancer cells or senescent cells and causes apoptosis."
• John Otto [52:26]: "We put eight different wavelengths... targeting all these at once so that people could use this for all the different kinds of issues."

Resources Mentioned:

• Wake Forest Study on Stem Cells in Urine
• European Prostate Cancer Red Light Therapy Study
• John Otto’s Company: myredlight.com (Use code DSH for discounts)

Stay tuned for more unfiltered conversations and cutting-edge insights on the next episodes of Digital Social Hour.