Red Light Vs. Cancer: Cutting-Edge Biohacking Explained | Jonathan Otto DSH #1401

Summary

Digital Social Hour – Episode: Red Light Vs. Cancer: Cutting-Edge Biohacking Explained | Jonathan Otto DSH #1401

Release Date: June 12, 2025
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: John Otto

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Introduction

In this compelling episode of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly welcomes back one of his most viral guests, John Otto, to delve into the controversial yet intriguing subjects of urine therapy and red light therapy. The conversation promises to uncover unconventional approaches to health and longevity, challenging mainstream medical perspectives.

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Urine Therapy: Debunking Myths and Exploring Benefits

Understanding Urine as a Therapeutic Agent

John Otto begins the discussion by addressing common misconceptions about urine, emphasizing its misunderstood role in health:

• John Otto [00:01]: "Urine is blood. It's plasma ultrafiltrate, which is plasma blood, ultrafiltrate, ultra filtered blood. That's all it is."

He challenges the notion that urine is merely a waste product, drawing parallels with other bodily excretions like breast milk and semen, which are not considered waste despite being expelled from the body.

• John Otto [02:14]: "They urinate every one to three hours in the womb and drink hundreds of milliliters of urine per day."

Urine’s Role in Fetal Development

Otto highlights the critical role of urine in fetal development, explaining how the fetus relies on amniotic fluid (predominantly urine) for growth and regeneration.

• John Otto [04:28]: "You'll see a scar on the outside of the woman, but on the inside there's no scar."

Stem Cells in Urine

A significant portion of the conversation focuses on the presence of stem cells in urine, which Otto claims are essential for regeneration and healing:

• John Otto [09:03]: "They found 140 in, in complete 24-hour urine sample. But then when they aged it for three weeks, it proliferated into 100 million."

He discusses his personal practices of aging urine to enhance its regenerative properties, despite facing skepticism and resistance from those around him.

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Red Light Therapy: Mechanisms and Applications

Scientific Foundations of Red Light Therapy

Sean and Otto transition into red light therapy, exploring its scientific underpinnings and therapeutic potential:

• John Otto [18:13]: "Photo biomodulation is red light therapy. Photodynamic therapy is when you're adding in some kind of photosensitizing agent."

Cancer Treatment and Remission

Otto cites various studies demonstrating the efficacy of red light therapy in treating cancers, particularly highlighting a 2006 pilot study on cutaneous B cell lymphoma:

• John Otto [19:33]: "All treated patients achieved complete remission of cutaneous B cell lymphoma after a maximum of two photodynamic sessions."

He further references a European study on prostate cancer where red light therapy significantly outperformed control groups, achieving remission in 49 out of 413 participants compared to 13.5% in the control group.

• John Otto [20:07]: "Your likelihood was about four times greater of beating, in this case prostate cancer, going into remission if you used red light therapy."

Mechanism of Action

The discussion delves into how red light therapy induces the production of reactive oxygen species, such as singlet oxygen, which targets and induces apoptosis in tumor and senescent cells.

• John Otto [22:26]: "The body produces singlet oxygen when stimulated by red light. It targets cancer cells or senescent cells and causes apoptosis."

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Integrating Urine and Red Light Therapy for Optimal Health

Combining Therapies for Enhanced Benefits

Otto advocates for the synergistic use of urine therapy and red light therapy, emphasizing their combined potential in promoting skin rejuvenation, detoxification, and overall cellular health.

• John Otto [16:11]: "It actually regenerates stem cells and it's proven to do that. They do that the body would just do it if it has the right stimulus."

Practical Applications and Devices

The conversation also covers practical aspects, including the use of specific devices designed to emit multiple wavelengths of red and near-infrared light, tailored to address various health issues from thyroid function to autoimmune diseases.

• John Otto [52:26]: "We put eight different wavelengths... targeting all these at once so that people could use this for all the different kinds of issues."

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Controversies and Media Challenges

Facing Media Backlash

Otto openly discusses the challenges faced when promoting unconventional therapies, including resistance from traditional media outlets and accusations of promoting medical misinformation.

• John Otto [33:32]: "They were like, 'Jonathan is talking about bleach. This is super irresponsible.'"

Despite these challenges, both Otto and Kelly affirm the importance of disseminating alternative health information and maintaining open, censorship-free dialogues.

• Sean Kelly [37:41]: "You can't vet every single thing. You can't predict what people are going to say."

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Future Directions and Community Support

Expanding Awareness and Accessibility

Otto emphasizes the need for greater awareness and accessibility to these alternative therapies, advocating for more research and integration into mainstream healthcare practices.

• John Otto [51:29]: "This is the future. It's already going this direction. It's in the studies."

Encouraging Proactive Health Measures

Both hosts encourage listeners to take proactive steps in their health journeys, utilizing biohacking techniques like urine therapy and red light therapy to enhance their well-being and combat chronic diseases.

• John Otto [50:01]: "You just harness your body's natural abilities to deal with these issues and turn over these unhealthy cells."

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Conclusion

In this enlightening episode, John Otto and Sean Kelly provide a thorough exploration of urine therapy and red light therapy, presenting both scientific research and personal anecdotes to support their claims. They challenge conventional health paradigms, advocating for biohacking methods as viable alternatives for disease treatment and health optimization. Despite facing media skepticism, their passion for disseminating alternative health knowledge remains unwavering, offering listeners innovative tools for enhancing longevity and combating ailments like cancer.

Notable Quotes:

• John Otto [00:01]: "Urine is blood. It's plasma ultrafiltrate, which is plasma blood, ultrafiltrate, ultra filtered blood."
• John Otto [02:14]: "They urinate every one to three hours in the womb and drink hundreds of milliliters of urine per day."
• John Otto [18:13]: "Photo biomodulation is red light therapy. Photodynamic therapy is when you're adding in some kind of photosensitizing agent."
• John Otto [19:33]: "All treated patients achieved complete remission of cutaneous B cell lymphoma after a maximum of two photodynamic sessions."
• John Otto [22:26]: "The body produces singlet oxygen when stimulated by red light. It targets cancer cells or senescent cells and causes apoptosis."
• John Otto [52:26]: "We put eight different wavelengths... targeting all these at once so that people could use this for all the different kinds of issues."

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Resources Mentioned:

• Wake Forest Study on Stem Cells in Urine
• European Prostate Cancer Red Light Therapy Study
• John Otto’s Company: myredlight.com (Use code DSH for discounts)

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Stay tuned for more unfiltered conversations and cutting-edge insights on the next episodes of Digital Social Hour.

Transcript

[John Otto]

It's more sterile than the blood.

[Sean]

Wow.

[John Otto]

It's the purification of the blood. And this is why it's safe to then reconsume. Even the concept of vampires, like, drinking blood and living forever. Urine is blood. It's plasma ultra filtrate, which is plasma blood, ultra filtrate, ultra filtered blood. That's all it is. And so you're going to see everything that's in the blood, you'll see in the urine.

[Sean]

All right, guys, he is back. One of my most viral guests ever, John Otto. Thanks for coming back on, man.

[John Otto]

Welcome, Sean.

[Sean]

Yeah, we stirred up some stuff on the first one.

[John Otto]

Yeah, we did.

[Sean]

Oh, my gosh. We had a lot of haters. A lot of. A lot of people seemed intrigued. Yeah, a lot of interest. I'm sure we at least compelled people to look more into urine therapy, right?

[John Otto]

True, true. It was good, man. I was glad to go into the battle with you or rope you in on.

[Sean]

You got most of the quest.

[John Otto]

Yeah, it's true, it's true.

[Sean]

Did you get affected by it or.

[John Otto]

Oh, no, not at all. I. I just laugh about, you know, all that kind of stuff just because I'm very confident in. In the research. People think I do it for attention, but it's. But it's definitely not. I. I was very concerned originally. I thought I'm going to lose my credibility over this issue, but the science was so clear for me and people's lives are on the line. The universal accessibility of this to me, it's. I think everyone has a responsibility to explain it to others. So, yeah, I was fine with it. Yeah, I can live with all that.

[Sean]

Yeah. Let's debunk some of the videos because some people were saying urine is waste. Right?

[John Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

That's like the biggest thing that people tell you about it, I'd assume.

[John Otto]

Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, so they think it's waste because that's what they've been told. And. And they just use a basic logic that the body's getting rid of it, so therefore it's waste. But then breast milk, it's coming out of the breasts, the body's getting rid of it, but you know, it's not waste. And then semen, you know, it's coming out of the body, but it's not waste. Urine. Your body needs to balance blood pressure, so you. You need to urinate, but it doesn't mean that your body's dumping at its waste. If it were, then why would babies be living in their urine? Which is a point that I made. But it's Such an important point because they urinate every one to three hours in the womb and drink hundreds of milliliters of urine per day in the womb.

[Sean]

Wow. So they're drinking their own urine every day.

[John Otto]

Copious amounts. Hundreds of milliliters for a, a fetus, a small baby compared to you. I mean that, that's more than its body weight in most cases of its urine per day. So how, why would, would it be consuming its own waste? What do we not understand about what's going on here? And then you'd say maybe, well, the baby has a toxic free environment because the umbilical cord is giving the, the fluids of the mother and it's, it's all very sterile and safe and clean. But the, the, the opposite is true. So the umbilical cord, when it was tested for just 400 of the thousands of chemicals that they should have tested for, they found 287.

[Sean]

Whoa.

[John Otto]

Of those, you know how many were proven to cause cancer?

[Sean]

I'm assuming a lot.

[John Otto]

180. More than 200 cause and proven to cause birth defects and brain deformations. So now how does the baby, when it's growing and it's urinating and drinking its urine and it's using, whatever is going on here is responsible for the growth of the baby. So what's going in is actually causing the growth of the baby and now it's apparently getting filled with toxins. It doesn't make any sense because what the baby is actually doing is canceling its problems. So what you get in urine is the blood filtered through the kidneys. You, you have a metabolite, it's a signaling molecule. That is how the body signals itself to remove that certain toxin. So water holds memory. So you're going to see a structure that like, looks like mercury or lead or formaldehyde or glyphosate. You're going to see these structures, but they're in infinitesimal amounts. So, and not, not harmful amounts, which is, but more importantly, it's in a form that is available to the body to act as a signaling molecule to signal the body to remove it, but not in a way that it attaches to the body and causes toxicity. And this is, it makes sense then, why babies thrive in the womb, why they regenerate. If people like Dr. Ben Carson did surgeries in the womb and they would come out as if they had never had a surgery and people would wonder, you know, why is this happening? Was because urine is filled with stem cells and so they're in the womb and any like scarring or cutting that would happen would get regenerated by the amniotic fluid, which is urine.

[Sean]

Wow. So when you get a C section, the stem cells have help it recover more?

[John Otto]

Well, yeah. So you'll see a scar on the outside of the woman, but on the inside there's no scar.

[Sean]

Whoa. Because the urine.

[John Otto]

Yes.

[Sean]

Holy crap.

[John Otto]

Well, think about it. If you had stem cells, where. Where are all the stem cells coming from when people get stem cell therapy?

[Sean]

From the placenta, right?

[John Otto]

Yeah. It's the umbilical cord, cord blood, warden's jelly, which is around the cord and the amniotic fluid. It's all forms of the baby's cultured urine.

[Sean]

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[John Otto]

Yeah, exactly. Well, it's all the toxins that are in the mother naturally are going to just circulate through the whole body. It's not, it doesn't discriminate, it doesn't have a way to, to remove that from the baby not receiving that. But it has a mechanism to deal with it, which is the urine, surprisingly so. Urine is the way the body deals with to. And so when you have toxins in your body, the way to signal what you actually have in your body is to drink your own urine, which signals then your olfactory gland gives your body all the information it needs to know about what the specific poisons are and how to remove them. So people that do it, you watch their mercury levels, all the different markers for toxicity go down. Yeah, they, they immediately on the onset go up slightly, which is showing that there's a challenging agent that's being activated. But then they drop off and. Yeah, it chelates. It removes the toxins.

[Sean]

Yeah. Why is urine so much darker in the morning when you first get up?

[John Otto]

Well, it's a dehydration and there is a high concentration of stem cells in the morning urine. Because you're generating stem cells while you're sleeping.

[Sean]

Right.

[John Otto]

And so you have a higher concentration of all the metabolites because there's been over 5,600 small molecule metabolites identified in urine and there's a high concentration of these. That's part of the reason why it's darker. And then you haven't been drinking water for the last eight, nine hours or however long you've slept.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[John Otto]

So then, so you have a high concentration, but it is, it is more powerful, it's more effective. Most all, all the cultures that have done this, which is practically every established civilization, has used urine as a medicine and as an anti aging that this was before biohacking was a thing, but they used it as the fountain of youth. It was always understood as the metabolic distillation of the blood. The fountain of youth. The elixir of the, the, the elixir of youth. That was what it was all referred to. Yeah. And the, the sculpture of the fountain of youth is a little boy. Ping.

[Sean]

Whoa. I never looked into it that deeply, but that makes sense.

[John Otto]

Yeah. And, and then if you look at the, the studies on the stem cells, the younger you are the stem cells that are in your urine, which wake Forest found 100 million. I can talk about that study in a 24 hour urine sample, which is amazing because it's about 20 million, so $20,000 worth of stem cells, which on a daily basis though, which equates to, you know, somewhere around the vicinity of, you know, 5 million plus dollars worth of stem cells per individual.

[Sean]

That's crazy.

[John Otto]

Yes. People all kind of saying that they don't have the money to do all the things that all the, you know, rich and wealthy people have and, and do. But the, the reality is they have this at their fingertips. They just don't know it's. It. To me, it's lies and misinformation that causes people not to know what's, what's on access to them. But, but anyway, these cultures that came before us all understood this not to be a toxic waste, but they understood it to be a powerful agent. And they were used, brought to you.

[Sean]

By amnesia vodka crafted to leave an.

[John Otto]

Impression for all these different practices when it came to health, longevity, and even dealing with chronic diseases, including the big C word. So.

[Sean]

Yeah. Are you still using it on your face?

[John Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

That club went viral, man.

[John Otto]

Yeah, exactly, dude. Yeah. And I have done some additions to, to that.

[Sean]

Oh yeah? What are you doing now?

[John Otto]

Well, well, for starters. Okay, so that Wake Forest study, It was showing 100 million stem cells and, but it was aged for three weeks. Did you remember me mentioning this?

[Sean]

No. Was that on the first episode, the Wake Forest?

[John Otto]

I think I, I'm sure I would have mentioned it. It's like in the back of my mind. But okay, so they took 10 adult males and some were 20 to 40 and then some were 50 and up. And they, they tested their stem cells in their urine. They found 140 in, in complete 24 hour urine sample. But then when they aged it for three weeks, it proliferated into 100 million.

[Sean]

Oh, yes, you did mention this.

[John Otto]

Yeah. The rate of proliferation was 1 times 10 to the power of 8. So. So it's, it's an exponential growth rate. Urine itself is a culture medium. They did use a culture medium, but urine itself is a culture medium because notice the babies in the womb they don't have anything that's added into that, but that's where all these stem cells are. Which makes sense why the baby's lungs are formed by the urine, which is referred to as amniotic fluid, which is almost entirely urine, which goes into the nose and mouth and forms the lungs of the baby at eight weeks. So the lungs are actually formed by the amniotic. Amniotic fluid, which we now know as of 2008, urine is filled with stem cells and has stem cells, which we didn't know until 2008. And by 2022, we understood that now. Well, there's a hundred million once it's aged for three weeks. So this. The fact that, the fact that the baby's living in its own urine for this entire duration, like about nine months, is showing you that it's living in this culture medium. And then. And then later, people all want this fluid for their stem cell injections for their knees, and it. It's all just the urine. But anyway, so based on this, then the, the regime that I worked out was to one, just age the urine for at least three weeks. Sometimes I would do it for like six months or a year.

[Sean]

I must look funky at that point.

[John Otto]

It. Well, I had to actually do have some here.

[Sean]

Yeah, this guy. Oh, my God, it's six months old in your backpack right now.

[John Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Dude, you're wild. And you fly around with that.

[John Otto]

I did this time because I was just like, I would now because I. It's actually the first time I flew with it, but because sometimes I was like, oh, man, I'm away from the place, from my home. I wish I had that age during. Yeah, my wife actually threw out a bunch of it recently.

[Sean]

She got sick of it.

[John Otto]

Well, she. She just couldn't problem solve quick enough. So she was, she was like, oh, people are coming here and they might find this cabinet thing. And then. So she ended up throwing. I'm like, baby, you could have just moved that somewhere else. But anyway, I decided not to hold it against her and just realized that there's more where that came from. So. Yeah, but even though I'd aged it for like two years.

[Sean]

Whoa, two years. So the amount of stem cells in that must have been insane.

[John Otto]

Yeah, I think so. Like, I don't know where it stops because we know that we have that study. I don't know where it stops. But I. But I. I'd imagine at least up until nine months just because that's what the baby is doing. So anyway, so I get that aged Urine and then exfoliate the skin and then put it directly on my face. It's strong. But it also is interesting, though, because if you look at animals, they're attracted by each other's urine.

[Sean]

Really? Oh, dogs are, right.

[John Otto]

Yeah. And. And like, deer. When people go deer hunting, I'm not a fan, but they'll spray the urine and so to attract the deer.

[Sean]

I didn't know that.

[John Otto]

Yeah, all that kind of stuff. But postbiotics, there's studies on tributerin or butyrate, which is partners, choosing their partners off this subconscious scent that they get, which is a postbiotic, which is butyrate, which is in urine.

[Sean]

Interesting. And you choose your partner based off their smell. The smell of their urine.

[John Otto]

Yeah. Or feces, really. Yeah. Well, it's a postbiotic. So it. You know, prebiotics turn to probiotics turn to postbiotics. And so it's. It's. Once your food undergoes the whole process, which would be, you know. Anyway, I didn't think I'd get into that. Yeah, well, there's, like. So. Which could be. So there's just these scents that we're getting from people that we don't realize, but they're super subconscious. But we. We can smell people, like, everything. Right. And. And. And like, animals understand it. That's why you see them actually do a lot of that. They're communicating that level. I'm just saying that the things that we think are gross subconsciously are actually things that can be attractive. It's got a musky smell. But anyway, you put on your skin, and it'll just absorb into your skin, and then. Then you can wash it off. The other thing that I did was really crazy where I had actually, like, exfoliate the skin and then put it in a. Like a. Like a bucket or something. It was like a food. Fruit bowl.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[John Otto]

And then I got a snorkel.

[Sean]

I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to, like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm. Thank you. There was that much of it, dude.

[John Otto]

Well, yeah. Well, is this, like. Because. Because if I put my face in, then I gotta pull it out. Cause I gotta breathe. Yeah.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[John Otto]

And by the way, I only did this just because. Yeah, I guess everyone cares about, like, their skin or whatever. And, like, I'm, what, one year short of 40? And so I. You. You just kind of, you know, and I had a lot of health challenges as a kid, so there's lots of things that could have caused me to turbo age. I got baldness on both sides of the family or, you know, so there's just, you know, like, why not stay ahead? But also I just wanted to experiment on this and see, because like a lot of women that I then taught about this, they explained that when they use the age unit as like a facelift and like, it was like they literally went and got a facelift. That's how powerful the urine is. I mean, you're putting stem cells directly into your skin and they're, they're meant to be absorbed in the skin because they go through, you know, urea is in the urine, which is in the. All the expensive skincare products. We talked about that, how it's the most absorbable substance. And that's why it's one of the only, if not the only clinically proven skin moisturizer to put water back in the cells because your blood filtered, then it easily goes back in. Now it can deliver those stem cells back into your skin.

[Sean]

Right.

[John Otto]

So you don't have to do the expensive vampire facials, the PR platelet rich plasma. It's super painful. Doesn't. I had it done once. It didn't seem to work. Botox, super invasive, like super harmful. It's a botulism toxin or paralyze your face. It like eventually makes you like, you know, turbo age.

[Sean]

Almost paralyzed too.

[John Otto]

Yeah, exactly, because. Yeah, because it's working off these like kind of poisons that are like venoms, but they're. It's a botulism toxin. Works exactly like a venom. So these things. Anyway, so I put a snorkel on and put my face in and just like let it sit in there. I, I've only done it like a couple times, but I'm gonna do it more just to experiment. But like, there are ways because then you could just sit there for like half an hour, let it absorb in it. You know, it takes you like what, half an hour to drive to an appointment and sit in line and pay a lot of money. You sit there for an hour. It's way quicker, cheaper, arguably a lot better. You know, that's fascinating.

[Sean]

Did you see any wrinkles go away?

[John Otto]

Yeah, yeah. Wow. And to me, to combine it with red light therapy is really cool.

[Sean]

Yeah, we're gonna dive into that next. Yeah, yeah. So do you do both every day?

[John Otto]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like almost every day. Like sometimes you just kind of forget or you just like doing whatever. But I would say practically every day. I. Yeah, like, maybe I'll miss one or two days out of the week kind of Thing.

[Sean]

Right. And this is a specific red light therapy we're talking about because I asked you about the infrared sauna.

[John Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

What you're talking about is different.

[John Otto]

Yeah, exactly. Infrared sauna is using far infrared and which is around 23000 nanometers. And so it kind of shoots past the target. It's good for heating the core body temperature. And so I think that people ought to do these types of things, but it's, it's almost an entirely different thing. So red and near infrared and, and then other light like yellow, orange, blue, which is all the way down to 480 at the optical. It's known as the optical window, which is the 700 to 1200 nanometers. That is where, where the red light really shines in, pardon the pun. And, and the clinical studies are just mind blowing.

[Sean]

Yeah, let's dive into it.

[John Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

So what's the biggest study you like to show people when they're getting into this?

[John Otto]

Well, that one that I was just showing you off camera is mind blowing. Right. So there's a 2006 pilot study. And I can say this in a way that is, look, firstly, this is for informational purposes only, educational purposes only. Not intended to diagnose, treat or, or, or cure any condition or disease. This is just, you know, referencing studies so people can then go research them themselves. And, and that, that's a really important aspect there. Okay, so what they found in that 2006 pilot study, which you can find on PubMed, specifically on lymphoma, like the finding that I read out, which was specifically that all treated patients achieved complete remission of, of in this case cutaneous B cell lymphoma after a maximum of two photodynamic sessions, which is photo biomodulation is red light therapy. Photodynamic therapy is when you're adding in some kind of photosensitizing agent which could be a supplement or, or technically classes a drug in some settings, others just pure natural supplements like curcumin or berberine or even something that's kind of like a hybrid, which is methylene blue. So they, they use this. And, and the, the results were it was three patients, so it's a pilot study, but they all within one week achieved a complete remission as complete absence of cutaneous B cell lymphoma as the finding, you know, dictated. And you saw that with your own eyes when I showed the study.

[Sean]

Yeah, we'll link it in the description too.

[John Otto]

Pretty mind blowing, right?

[Sean]

Study? Yeah, it's pretty, it's only Three people. So we got to say that. But the fact that you said it's the same result for each person is a good sign. Right?

[John Otto]

Exactly. And all within one week.

[Sean]

Yeah. So that was in 06. That was a while ago.

[John Otto]

Correct.

[Sean]

They, they haven't done any newer ones.

[John Otto]

Yes, they, they have. And for that particular study like that should then go into having you know, hundreds or even thousands of people. I don't know why, why such an amazing finding then didn't follow up with.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[John Otto]

With a larger study. But the good news is that there are lots of great studies. Like the prostate cancer study was amazing because it was 413 participants and it was in Europe and they had 10 different control centers is published on major medical journals. And what they found in this study was that it was a two year study. So now it was a longer study. 49 went into complete remission. And then you'd say well then what was the control group? Those that didn't use red light. And the answer is 13.5%. So your likelihood was about four times greater of beating in this case prostate cancer going into remission if you used red light therapy. In conjunction they used a photosensitizer which was a deep sea bacteria which is super interesting. That's not common. The other one that was used in the lymphoma study which is more common was amino luvolinic acid or 5amino luvolinic acid or a methyl form. So which is a photosensitizing agent. So they, it causes and the mechanism is super important of how because your, your cells are designed to receive light. You're, you're highly reactive being to light and you basically cannot live without it. People talk all the time about diet but I'm, I'm saying well okay so there's carnivore, this herbivore omnivore, you know, vegan or this. To me what, what I want to get people more clear on is heliovore. Helio sun. Right. So you, if there's any one thing that really humans are is that they're heliovores where we're meant to be in the sun. And you look at studies like this considering that red light therapy is just replicating the sunrise and the sunset and then, and then rainbow like has blue and green, these different colors. And that they're also very effective for certain things. Like nothing corrects circadian rhythm better than 480 which is blue light. Nothing helps with acne and skin rejuvenation better than 480. And neonatal care, babies in the womb. 480 blue. So these different colors all respond to people's bodies in different ways. But these photosensitizing agents help the absorption of light into the cells. And in this case. So you look at the cancer studies, it's specifically around how the electromagnetic waves from the red light causes the body to produce reactive oxygen species, one of which is singlet oxygen. And singlet oxygen, if you saw it in a military setting, you'd see a missile get shot down out of the air using singlet oxygen.

[Sean]

Wow.

[John Otto]

Your body produces it when stimulated by red Lion.

[Sean]

Holy crap. It's that powerful.

[John Otto]

Yeah, it's fluorescent red inherently, so it'll just like light up like a mini explosion. It's amazing.

[Sean]

What.

[John Otto]

And guess what it's most. Guess where it goes for tumor cells. That's. It's. It's specific for either tumor cells or senescent cells, which are cells that are not functioning properly that need to be cleared out of the body. So if you're not healthy, your body needs to clear out these unhealthy cells and needs to help feed the healthy cells with what they need. So that's where the reactive oxygen species, like singlet oxygen, target cancer cells, target other unhealthy cells, and cause apoptosis, which is programmed cell death. It. That makes sense now why these studies are so profound. And the breast cancer study was using four different wavelengths. And now, now here's where wavelengths come in. And it was an in vitro study, so in a petri dish, and it was with triple negative and non triple negative breast cancer. And they irradiated with the nanometer of light at 6:15, 6:30, 660 and 730 nanometers, which translates to millimeters. So that's like 6:30 would be 6.3 millimeters. And that's showing you the depth of penetration. So it's going through the dermis, into the epidermis, and then, then the deeper ones, like 810, which is near infrared, so you can't see it at that point. Then that's. This goes to the subcutaneous tissue, the bone, which improves bone density. Treat. They're even using it for bone cancers. You get through the lungs, tinnitus, all the different deeper things that are like either in the brain, the organs. Anyway. So what they did with this is they tested these four wavelengths. Only one was proven to be effective, and it was 660. That dropped the breast tumor proliferation by 40% in 24 hours. Wow. That quick PubMed study. Yeah.

[Sean]

Holy crap. That's so fast.

[John Otto]

So this stuff works immediately again, it can. And then it's active for that time. So it was irradiated 24 hours before they tested it, 24 hours later and watched the drop. So even though you did it yesterday or the day before, it's active in your body for that next period of time. And in many cases, some of these studies, they're doing like two or three treatments a week or more.

[Sean]

Yeah. You mentioned blue light helps with acne earlier.

[John Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Wow. I always thought blue light was bad for you for some reason.

[John Otto]

Oh, yeah. I'm glad you brought that up. It's, it's kind of like this debunked myth, which is super interesting even though, because we, we were just at a biohacking event and so like everyone's wearing their blue blockers. So it's, it's, it's a big like then, then you got me on talking about this and, and saying that blue light is good. But if, if, if I sat down with any of the guys that were like presenting last night, they would agree with me on this because the science is too clear on it. It's, it's. The issue is, okay, one, if we were allergic to blue light, then we should never go out in the sun in the middle of the day because it's almost primarily, it's large part of it is blue light, which is why you also.

[Sean]

During the day.

[John Otto]

Correct. And then the morning sunset sunrise, that's more red. But the sun during the middle of the day isn't bad. It's too much of it could be.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[John Otto]

And that's why even animals go, will go for shelter. They, they, they're not going to be continually, always exposed there. But the blue light, the issue is that these screens would be high flicker. Right. Without your eye noticing. So it's turning on and off constantly. And even though these studies are actually on LEDs, which is super interesting, the, the high quality LEDs don't flicker. So they're actually very effective. And it's, it took the laser therapy that was developed back from, by the way. This goes back to the 1910, 1903 when Dr. Niels Finson won the Nobel prize for light therapy to be remedial for lupus vulgaris.

[Sean]

So this was around for 100 years.

[John Otto]

Yeah. Nobel Prize won for it too. Yeah, 120 years plus.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[John Otto]

Amazing, right? And so then The Hungarian physician, Dr. Andre Mester in 1967 used red light with lasers. But then it then was expensive. They could heat really hard. It was yeah, there's some challenges there. How could then people access this? And so then that moved over to LEDs. So it's interesting that LEDs can be both damaging and healing. It just depends on the quality of the light source. So it needs to not have a flicker.

[Sean]

Flicker.

[John Otto]

Yeah. So you can't see that this is flickering, but everything here's here is flickering.

[Sean]

Like these lights and the cameras are flickering.

[John Otto]

Yeah, like maybe. Yeah, the screen on the camera, most likely. But all these lights, all these screens.

[Sean]

Wow.

[John Otto]

Correct. And your eye can't see it, but it's damaging your eyesight, which is. Though if you open your eyes in red light, you can expect a 17% eye improvement even in as little as a week, based on clinical studies. This was particularly. Which is. This is a myopia study. So normally you're supposed to wear protective eyewear.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[John Otto]

But in this case, for limited periods of time, it's been proven to have your eyes open in the light and it's improving eyesight, vision. And those changes were effective for a week, for example. And then the tinnitus study was showing that with using these 810-850-that it was effective for three months. But what happens is like so resolution of tinnitus, which is amazing considering that people take their. You've got to careful what I say. But people feel like giving up in life and, and do give up in life because of a lot of these horrific conditions like tinnitus and autoimmune conditions. But yeah, this was remedial for this period of time. But what happened was that if people then continue the therapy because you're supposed to be continually exposed to light, then it would maintain the change and deepen the transformation as well. So you could, you could get better improvements on your eyesight. Uh, that was supposed to be done in the morning hours. Dr. Andrew Huberman's talk quite a lot about this study and particularly applicable if you're older, 40 or older in reversing the eyesight problems, which is.

[Sean]

That's exciting. I remember last time I asked you if urine therapy could help with eyesight too.

[John Otto]

Yeah. And since then, I even saw cases where people had reverse, you know, you know, seen their eyesight get back to complete, you know, crystal clear. 2020.

[Sean]

Wow.

[John Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Well, I know it's possible because Dave Asprey, I don't know the exact methods he used, but he restored his vision.

[John Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

2015.

[John Otto]

Wow. Amazing.

[Sean]

I think he was 2060.

[John Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

So I'm like 2250 or something. Crazy.

[John Otto]

Wow. Yeah. And so the the key there, you, you might be aware, is that you drop down prescription as well.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[John Otto]

Because what happens is if you're doing a therapy, like, you know, people will laugh at me and about the urine in the eyes, and they'll think it's super dangerous. But I'm telling you that the only thing that's ever been in your eyes.

[Sean]

Is urine as a baby. I mean, you can't argue against that. You're. You're right.

[John Otto]

Yeah. You watch the baby like you watch the baby urinate in the womb and you watch the baby drink the urine in the womb. Like, I talk about putting urine in your hair.

[Sean]

Right.

[John Otto]

And age urine in your hair to grow your hair.

[Sean]

I mean, look at your hair. You said both your family are bald, right? Both sides.

[John Otto]

Oh, yeah, exactly.

[Sean]

And you got a full head at 40.

[John Otto]

Yeah. I appreciate that, man. Thank you. And considering that I had like Lyme disease, cytomegalovirus, Epstein bar, Ross river fever, glandular fever, chronic fatigue syndrome, chronic nausea, boils breaking out on my body because I had all those things as a child, then I should have turbo aged by now. So I should, I should probably look all like, maybe 10 years older than what I am. If you have those conditions and you're. The wheels are falling off that early in life. And I had to work hard to work out what was going on. That's how I got into this arena or research. And I took my background and because I completed a degree with a double major in journalism and media production, then in education, a postgraduate degree, then I humanitarian work. I was traveling since the age 17, became an ambassador for World Vision. I then, you know, Tanzania, Mongolia, through Asia and sub Saharan Africa, as I was doing with that work, and I'm still doing that work. My research then went into working out how to solve my health problems and the world's health problems. And, and I became really good at correlating data. And I just got off with someone from the Children's health Defense, actually is the chief science officer. But he said, you're always right, Jonathan. Like, it takes me a while to work out what, what's going on. And he was working on his son's case with autism. A really beautiful guy. I want, I want you to get him on the show. He's amazing. But he, he said, but you, you, you like, the things that you talk about, they, they finally come. I finally work out that it's right. But anyway, so I'm glad that I've been able to correlate that, especially just for myself, my own Family. I've got two young boys, they're three and five year old and I, you know, I feel guilty being away this. I'm taking an overnight flight tonight to be back with them. So it's my responsibility not only to be there for them and people like, be like, I couldn't do this, I couldn't do that. I'm like, bro, like, I've got children, they like depend on me. There's nothing that I wouldn't do. And I've got to put that oxygen mask on my own mouth to be there for them. Yeah, I love that.

[Sean]

That's beautiful. Are you working on any documentaries right now?

[John Otto]

Yeah, there's one that we're releasing. Alex Jones is actually supposed to drop it on. Oh yeah, yeah, Go Infowars on Infowars. Yeah, he's supposed to drop it soon. It was supposed to happen recently. We'll see. Waiting on that. But it's Parasites. Okay, which is it? It's called the Parasite movie, but I'm even hesitating to say the title because I'm making sure I don't say the wrong thing here.

[Sean]

I think I know you're talking about.

[John Otto]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. There's something within us. Parasites. Yeah, yeah. Or Y. C word. Yeah. So. And then. Yeah, so that. And you know, a lot of the documentaries are releasing on red light therapy. A lot. Cancer Decoded went deep into all the research on, you know, things like chlorine dioxide, which we talked about as well, which is mind blowing. We talked about releasing a book called the Cancer Off Switch. So there's a book. Yeah, so going through all the modalities because, because I, when I worked with the truth about cancer 10 years ago as a producer with them, I just went under the hood on all. What was, what was really happening in this arena. And then all this cutting edge research was really important for me to then release this, this book. So that, that's, that's exciting.

[Sean]

That's cool. They got to get you with the Maha movement, you know.

[John Otto]

Oh yeah, appreciate that. Absolutely. I think that, yeah, so there's this talk on that like some of the guys that are like Jeff Hayes, it's working with, producing the Maha films. He asked for help and support for me to work on some nice particular films and say, you know, you, you go after this category and, and, and then Dell last night we were exchanging information. Yeah, for me. CEO, Right, yeah. On, on the Maha. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah.

[Sean]

I think the CEO of Maha was there last night.

[John Otto]

Well, yeah, well, yeah, I Mean, that sounds right. I did. I didn't know that that was his particular position. That makes sense, though.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[John Otto]

But, yeah, no, he. He want. He wanted to put all my films into the High Wire.

[Sean]

Wow.

[John Otto]

Yeah. And that's huge. Yeah. He's really excited about. I was like, okay, cool. Yeah, I'm in. Let's get it out to people. It's just. We're just giving away all the stuff we've worked so hard on for free. And he's like, yeah, you sure? I'm like, yeah.

[Sean]

Wow. I mean, the education's important, man, because people do not get exposed to this stuff. Right. A lot of it's censored, A lot of it's kind of controversial, but these days, times are changing.

[John Otto]

So true. Yeah. Yeah, exactly, man. And then. Yeah, one of those other things that we talk about in that book and one of the things that went viral that we talked about was the chlorine dioxide and science feedback. They did. They did publish that hit piece on me.

[Sean]

Oh, they did?

[John Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Oh, they were emailing me. So just for reference, for people watching this, I got emailed, which, this, by the way, this has never happened to me before. I've done 1400 episodes. And they're like, do you want to back up what this guy said on your podcast? Because we're about to publish a hit piece. So explain what happened.

[John Otto]

Oh, yeah. So then. Yeah. They just basically were. They were like, okay, you talked about chlorine dioxide. You know, Sean Kelly. They kind of made you, like, position you, like, you're irresponsible to have a guest talking about.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah.

[John Otto]

And then. But you didn't seem to bother you.

[Sean]

I didn't even see the article. No one sent me it, so I don't think it was that big of a deal.

[John Otto]

Yeah, exactly. And if it was even better. Right. Well, it's just like. It's kind of like. Like a yapping Chihuahua.

[Sean]

Yeah. I don't trust traditional media anyways, so.

[John Otto]

Yeah. And, like, you just look at their site, and they're just hitting, like, trying to hit everyone that's doing anything.

[Sean]

Well, Stephen Bartlett just got hit. I don't know if you saw this. Diary of a CEO podcaster.

[John Otto]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean]

Massive PR campaign against him for medical misinformation.

[John Otto]

Oh, dude.

[Sean]

Yeah. Three days ago.

[John Otto]

There you go. They just love to hear that. And so they. Because we released that video on. Specifically on autism.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[John Otto]

And showing that chlorine dioxide is effective. This is one where we got to be careful.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[John Otto]

So do we have the ability to.

[Sean]

Edit yeah, we can cut it.

[John Otto]

Yeah, yeah. So the, so, so the chlorine dioxide for autism, how there were over a thousand cases documented of, of children that were like either non verbal or, or very low level or basically autism of all different aspects on the spectrum. And then they. In remission, so like normal lives. And I verified some of these cases. I talked about them in the films, in this particular video that we did. And then, so then they did. They were basically saying like, well, this is bleach. And so Jonathan is talking about bleach. And this is like super irresponsible and he shouldn't do that. And like that. Don't you know how bad that is and how wrong that is? And so then I. Yeah, so then I just respond. I did write to them, but I was explaining that, hey, look, this is, it's being, it's what, it's being used in hospitals.

[Sean]

Right.

[John Otto]

In Bolivia they're using it even intravenously.

[Sean]

Oh, wow.

[John Otto]

Yeah. And, and like Dr. Andres Calca, he's got 17 years of experience, he's a German biophysicist and he has a, he has a foundation out of Guadalajara, Mexico. And they're publishing studies continually. And all the safety measures are, well, they're so robust and it is so safe. And, and, and there's an interesting aspect that it was published by NASA in 1982 and 1987. It's a universal antidote, which is super interesting that it was there as a universal antidote. And it is actually like a universal antidote because it, it's oxygen, like 10,700,000 oxygen molecules for every red blood cell in the body. And when you're delivering that much oxygen, the reason why red light works, oxygen delivered to the body, you can basically solve so many things. And so I just explained that and I said, look, sodium and chloride. So there's no chlorine and chlorine dioxide. It's just sodium and chloride activated by hydrochloric acid. And I said, sodium is a salt. Chloride's assault. And then they're like, it's just impossible. You read what they're saying. They're like, Jonathan's wrong. He said sodium is a salt. He said chloride is a salt, they're not salts. And like, dude, I can't even have this conversation anymore. So human chloride are both salts and so crazy.

[Sean]

I mean, no matter what you said they were going to publish a hippie's. Yeah, you could have defended it with the most profound, like, argument.

[John Otto]

Yeah, exactly.

[Sean]

It wouldn't have mattered.

[John Otto]

Yeah, I was Just. I was just. Just thinking ship. Yeah, but. But it was, it was fine.

[Sean]

It's just like I was more intrigued why they reached out to me and not you.

[John Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

That's why I sent you it. I was like, did they hit you up and you said no, so.

[John Otto]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And some, somehow they. They found you. I think in some ways it might be that they're trying to put pressure on people that are, like, getting behind people.

[Sean]

Podcasters. Yeah, 100%.

[John Otto]

Yeah. Be like, hey, look, you guys are irresponsible. You're giving a voice to that. Like where they hit Rogan for having whoever he had on.

[Sean]

Oh, yeah. For the C19 stuff.

[John Otto]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Pierre, Corey or Peter McCullough. Like, you're irresponsible for having this guy on. So. Yeah, it's just kind of guilt and shame.

[Sean]

I mean, at the end of the day, you can't vet every single thing. You can't predict what people are going to say.

[John Otto]

Yeah. I mean, like, it's not your responsibility. Is true. Like you. And you're trying to have a censorship free environment because that's like what makes the world good.

[Sean]

Let the viewers decide. Yeah, that's why I have on both sides on the show. I'll have on someone that does what you do and then someone that isn't a fan of what you do.

[John Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

You're in therapy, right. And then the viewers can decide what they want to lean towards.

[John Otto]

Yeah. That's awesome. Did you do that?

[Sean]

Not like someone that wanted to rebuttal you completely. But I've had guests that are not a fan of it.

[John Otto]

Yeah. Cool.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[John Otto]

Yeah, that's. That's super interesting. Yeah, that's cool. That'd be fun. Like we do like a roundtable.

[Sean]

Yeah. I mean, dude, the comments were hilarious on your clips. So people reached out and wanted to voice their opinion.

[John Otto]

Oh, yeah. Put it this way, that one of your guests today, so Anthony and Teresa. Teresa, yeah. So Teresa comes out and I mentioned something about you. Like, Sean interviewed me on urine therapy. She says, wow. And then Anthony pulls over, she's like, yeah, Armenians do that because they're Armenian.

[Sean]

Oh.

[John Otto]

She said, like, not. Not necessarily Armenians do it, but yeah, my family did it. And so she's talking about it and then she's like, well, we don't do it anymore. But my mom, she had ovarian cancer. You got to work out what to do with this. Yeah, but she, she just went for 20 days, like, was just drinking her urine and she, she. That's all she did. And she. She had ovarian cancer after she gave birth to Teresa.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[John Otto]

And became no way in remission.

[Sean]

That's incredible. So it seems like other countries are more willing to embrace this type of stuff.

[John Otto]

Exactly. Yeah. It's so true. It's like, yeah, we think we're all so smart and we have so much. And so much. So much technology and all this, but. But the reality is that we're missing so much of all this ancient wisdom.

[Sean]

Right.

[John Otto]

And the body's unique communication system. You just can't beat the perfection of a newborn baby. Their skin, their eyes. Yeah. The fact that they were. That was their building. That was. That was their environment. And the way that they clear toxins, all of this is so unique and so powerful. And yeah, the. The specific antigens to cancer are there in the urine. Like, there were German kings back in the 1400s that would use just specifically urine therapy for their cancer patients that had them just eat cabbage. And.

[Sean]

That's incredible.

[John Otto]

It was. It was working. Like, all these cultures, they. They were dealing with what we call today cancer, and they were using primarily the. The most history is specifically their own urine therapy.

[Sean]

Yeah. You should do a debate about this. Have you done that yet?

[John Otto]

Dude, I'd love to.

[Sean]

Yeah. I'd set one up maybe with Lane Norton or someone like that.

[John Otto]

Oh, yeah, cool.

[Sean]

Yeah. You know that guy Biolane on Instagram?

[John Otto]

Yeah, no, that'd be great.

[Sean]

Yeah, he's big time. I think it'd be valuable. I haven't seen a debate on urine therapy before.

[John Otto]

Dude, it'd be super fun because if. If you had people that were just like, not just full of ego, but literally, like, enjoyed a riveting conversation. Yeah, that would be fun.

[Sean]

Well, I think, yeah, you would have to come to the table with some facts or some studies I do. It can't be just an emotional debate because that's useless.

[John Otto]

Oh, 100. Yeah, I'd. That's. But that's where it'll be a little hard for them.

[Sean]

You think so?

[John Otto]

Yeah, because I'd show all the studies and, like. You show me what? Because if you say urine's a waste product, you have to tell me which one of the waste product. Which. Which is the waste product. And. And I would then pull up the database and say, okay, now here's 5,600 compounds in small molecule metabolites that have been identified in urine. Show me which ones are good and which ones are bad. And. And. And so you actually have to now, like, talk about things that are documented. Okay, tell me what's bad about a urine derived stem cell, which is actually proven specifically to target cancer cells, which regulates autophagy, the cellular immune system. Revascularization, apoptosis, it's regulatory. So these are basically the most intelligent form of, let's say, medicine that's specific and, and innately intelligent. Yeah, it's, it's just. Yeah, there's. It'd be harder for them. They'd have to go more typically to the emotional.

[Sean]

I'll set one up for you next time you're in town, dude. So if you have heavy metals in your body, will that get in your urine?

[John Otto]

You'll get a reading, right? So you'll get a reading so that you, through urinalysis you'll find, okay, look, I've got mercury and lead and cadmium and current or antimony. You may see these markers. But one, it's in infinitesimal amounts. So any supplement that you buy, for example, will have some amount of all of the metals I just talked about. So. Because it's, it's impossible to avoid because they're just in the environment. That's for starters. So you're already consuming this type of thing. But one, it's an infinitesimal amounts and then it, it's this. And then two, when you watch people that do this, like they take it, then you go get. Now let's measure your metals levels in your body. You will notice them drop instead of go up. And so that then proves that what you're seeing is not the same. Because remember, it's your blood. It's passed through your kidneys, which goes through these tiny tubes called nephrons and it's squeezed through this and then it comes out as a clear or translucent substance. And then it's, it's more sterile than the blood. And so if, if. Yeah, so if it's toxic, then the problem is that your, your blood is then so toxic because it's purer than your blood. Blood.

[Sean]

Wow. So pee is more pure than blood.

[John Otto]

Absolutely. That's why it's more sterile than the blood.

[Sean]

Wow.

[John Otto]

It's the purification of the blood. And this is why it's safe to then reconsume. Even the concept of vampires, like drinking blood and living forever. Urine is blood. It's plasma ultra filtrate, which is plasma blood ultra filtrate, ultra filtered blood. That's all it is. And so you're going to see everything that's in the blood, you'll see in the urine, including all of your neurotransmitters. Why would Somebody that's deficient in every neurotransmitter, serotonin, dopamine, epinephrine, every hormone to testosterone. Why are they dumping this in their urine? And the answer is it's. They're just signaling molecules. It's like peptides.

[Sean]

Right.

[John Otto]

And so it signals the body. So it's not an issue. It's. It's the exact opposite. The more toxic someone is, the more powerful it is for them.

[Sean]

Yeah. So it would be smart if you're young and watching this and you're a guy to start storing your urine then.

[John Otto]

Yeah, it's cool.

[Sean]

For 10 years down the line, right?

[John Otto]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. But the cool thing is they're always be like young children unless we go through massive infertility, which is. Yeah. Red light is amazing for that, by the way. Sperm. Sperm mobility, like, amazing. And even women trying to fall pregnant. Red light therapy, amazing. So there's certain ways out of this mess, but then. Yeah, there's always going to be abilities to store urine from. From others that you can store your own.

[Sean]

Do you store yours in the fridge or where do you put it?

[John Otto]

Yeah, just in cabinets that are. With sealed lids.

[Sean]

Oh, jars.

[John Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Okay.

[John Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

It doesn't have to be a certain temperature.

[John Otto]

No, because. No, there's nothing that shows that that is necessary. And the body stores it at room temperature. It's a naturally. A preservative agent. That's why it's got a lot. It's really based on a lot of salts and salt is a preserving, preserving agent. So it just preserves naturally. It's pretty, pretty simple like that. But yeah.

[Sean]

How concerned are you with the microplastic stuff happening right now?

[John Otto]

Oh, yeah, no, it's a huge concern. And then we need to look at binders to get these types of things out. And the things that we're breathing are huge issues as well because lung cancer is killing more people than prostate cancer, colon cancer and breast cancer combined.

[Sean]

Dude, I just had a pernuvo scan done. I have a cyst on my lung.

[John Otto]

Wow.

[Sean]

Isn't that crazy?

[John Otto]

Yeah. Wow. I'm glad that you've found that. And so what, and what do they think? They think it's benign or what?

[Sean]

So here's a problem with. Well, I don't know if it's a problem, but they said since it's the first scan, we need to come back in X amount of years and get a second one to see if it's grown. So I'm kind of in this weird, you know, zone where I don't know if it's a problem or not.

[John Otto]

Yeah, yeah. Well, what I would be doing is happy doing red light therapy. Yeah, yeah. Like it's proven like the one study on lung cancer showed an overall response of 87%. So. Meaning that 87% of participants showed significant turnaround results improvement, etc, which in some cases would be remission. Other cases would be other things. But. And again, like whether it's benign or not, it's just about like dealing. And I know you asked about microplastics before red light therapy I would believe would be effective in that. I just need to think that through more and just see what studies exist. But binders would be, you know, great to bind like universal binders, like humic and fulvic acid and. But looking at how the body naturally will remove these things because they're lo. They end up being lodged all around the body.

[Sean]

Your organs. People finding in brains, in testicle.

[John Otto]

Yeah, okay. I'm glad you're on top of this, man. So what. Yeah. What studies have been done on, for example, formaldehyde, which is a chemical linked to Alzheimer's, Red light therapy has been proven to remove formaldehyde from the brain. So that's an example. And I don't know whether formaldehyde or plastics are harder, but they, it's just because like once it become like lodges itself in the cells, like the issue with parasites and cancers be like, that's getting talked about a lot. But they're lodging themselves inside the cells and affecting the mitochondria and then stopping and the stem cell production. And so what's happening is then it's. It's halting it and it's making it. The cells not mature properly because it's interfering with that. And so then if you can. And then what you're doing is you're entering the cell with red light and you're causing the mitochondria to produce adenosine triphosphate ATP. And then this is the powerhouse of the cell. So when you give energy back to the cells, then they can perform their functions. Which. Which one of their main functions is to detoxify and remove toxins and poison. So you've got to just think about how to do this on a cellular level to remove these things and then stop as much of the exposure as possible. But you can't live on an island. And that's the same problem that I mentioned with lung cancer. Like, why is that so prolific when smoking is like, it's exponentially dropping down. Yes. People are vaping More. But that's. That's still not 95 of the population. It's smaller subsets. So why is lung cancer killing more than any other cancer and more than the biggest hitters combined? It's all these stuff that we're breathing in that we. We don't have control over. Inside air pollution is often a hundred times more toxic than outside air pollution.

[Sean]

Heard that about carpets today.

[John Otto]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean]

No more carpets in my house.

[John Otto]

There you go. Even quartz tabletops are really off. Gassing.

[Sean]

Yeah, that's every kitchen, dude.

[John Otto]

Yeah, exactly. So you'd have to. What. What type of material it is. What's happening with the tires? What happens to the 2 billion tires that disappear every year?

[Sean]

What happens?

[John Otto]

They're in the air.

[Sean]

What?

[John Otto]

Yeah, the air has been.

[Sean]

They burn them?

[John Otto]

No, no, they. They're shredding. They're shredding on the roads.

[Sean]

Damn.

[John Otto]

And they're tiny razor blades that you're breathing in, and they're actually cutting.

[Sean]

Oh, my God.

[John Otto]

The body. And where do you think they're conjugating? They're like, obviously through the lungs. Damn.

[Sean]

Because I. I drive with my windows open, you know?

[John Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

On the highway.

[John Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

They're just breathing in tires.

[John Otto]

Yeah, exactly. Because they sample the air and to find. Oh, it's up here. Where were these tires going? It was like this big conundrum. Where did they go? They're up in the air. It's like, okay, well, they're not on the sides of the roads. They're up in the air, but. And then electric cars, like, dump twice as much because they're heavier.

[Sean]

I just got rid of my Tesla. I didn't even know about that. But mainly for me, it was the emf. Yeah.

[John Otto]

Because of the battery.

[Sean]

Yeah. I saw some scary videos of someone, like, testing it, and it's pretty high.

[John Otto]

Yeah. Dude, it's good that you care about this stuff.

[Sean]

You have to. These days, man, we're being attacked from so many angles. It's like you got to constantly be aware of what's going on.

[John Otto]

Yeah, exactly. So, like. Yeah. So with something like dealing with. At the end of the day, when you have some, like a cyst, it's. It's a conjugation of cells that are not working properly. And so how do you. Like. There was a Birmingham University study was amazing where the rats is a spinal cord injury study. They exposed just the rats to one minute a day. One minute. And it showed that it increased cell viability, meaning the effectiveness of the cells by 45%.

[Sean]

Damn.

[John Otto]

And showed that it was regenerative of the spine and showed that it was neuroprotective. So protecting brain cells. So one, that means that just a little bit of exposure even. But you know, I prefer more than that. You can do 20 minutes a day, or you could do 12 minutes three times a week, or you can choose what you want to do. But. But to me, once, if you just get your cells functioning better, then you can deal with all this on a cellular level. Because. Because otherwise it's like, well, what do I do? Just keep waiting and then keep getting scanned and just wonder and just kind of feel like a ticking time bomb? Or do I. Do I just harness my body's natural abilities to deal with these issues and turn over these unhealthy cells?

[Sean]

Right.

[John Otto]

Create apoptosis in these unhealthy cells. It doesn't matter if it's a tumor or not. It just matters that this clears itself out.

[Sean]

And that's where I want to be. I'd rather be proactive than reactive. Yeah, but they're telling people to wait two years to get another scan to see if it grew. That's a lot of time, you know, dude, a lot can happen in two years.

[John Otto]

Exactly.

[Sean]

I have a similar friend right now dealing with it in his brain. And it keeps growing every two years. But what's the treatment from there?

[John Otto]

You know, Amazing. Yeah, there's. And one, that's, that's not good. And two, the good news is that, yeah, some of these therapies like again, I'm a fan of chlorine dioxide. I've seen lots of cases with glioblastomas. I'm a fan of anti parasitics. I've seen lots of great studies there with glioblastomas. And I'm not saying that's a glioblastoma, but it's a conjugation of unhealthy cells in the brain or cancer cells. But the red light therapy particularly has been proven to cause the immune system to target the. The cancer cells from growing back. Because what happens is the glioblastomas when they get brain surgery is like it has a 12 to 15 month survival rate for all glioblastomas for patients because once they remove it, it keeps growing back. And so one, it's arguable that there's a better way other than rather than removing it by using these regenerative therapies to target them. But then it also prevents the recurrence because the immune system is then targeting it for you.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[John Otto]

And it's part of the reason why the pharmaceutical complex has. Has asserted or put forward that a photodynamic therapy or photo immunotherapy will become the fifth leading treatment to cancer after surgery.

[Sean]

Wow.

[John Otto]

So it is. This is the future. It's already going this direction. It's in the studies. It's just that not enough people know about it. And then people. Like, for example, for lungs, one of the ones that's most proven is a chlorophyll derivative called chlorine E6. So people doing this research looking at methylene blue, curcumin, berberine, artemisinin, which is a repo. Which is a malaria drug, but it's a photosensitizer. So these, when they're consumed, they'll. They'll help the absorption of light into these unhealthy cells and help clear them out. So super targeted, super specific, and arguably a lot more powerful than something like chemo because it 1. Not only is it more specific, but something like singlet oxygen is. So it is so powerful. Like, think about a missile getting blown up and watching those. Oh, that was singlet oxygen, which you could replicate with chloride and. And hydrogen peroxide.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[John Otto]

You could actually just make it like.

[Sean]

I'm a fan of oxygen. I use oxygen chambers. I love it.

[John Otto]

That's awesome.

[Sean]

You know, oxygen's major. Where can people guess? Get into red light. What's an affordable option for people?

[John Otto]

Yeah, sure. So because of all the research that I've been doing in this regard, I've been really excited about giving people solutions. And so. And we formulated like, a specific device that combined all the wavelengths that we're looking at in the studies. And so then we. We put eight different wavelengths and which range from 486, 30, 6608-108509-40980, and 1060. So within targeting all these at once so that people could use this for all the different kinds of issues. Thyroid, autoimmune, all the different spectrum of autoimmune challenges, skin rejuvenation, all the cosmetic things. People using it instead of liposuction.

[Sean]

Wow.

[John Otto]

Yeah. So because it breaks open fat cells, one of the studies, five or six weeks, and it was a six, five or six inches that. That all the participants lost without changing anything across the body. So it'll break the fat cells. And so people are using it for these cosmetic benefits. But so what we did with that, it's the company's red life. And people can go to myredlight.com and to check it out and see what we Have. And we made things like super affordable. Because the cool thing is with that, you look at the studies, you look at the results, and then you look at, okay, well what else would I do? And you'd say, okay, well, maybe this supplement or that supplement is, is cheaper. You think it's cheaper, but you reorder every month. And so let's say you're paying like one 30 supplement a month over a year, that's close to 400. And then over the next, you know, let's say 10 years, that's $4,000. And so you, you really. And then that's just one. Typically people are going to need like a few. And there's no one supplement that can do all these different things. And one of the things I didn't talk about was the stem cell regeneration, because it does that. It actually regenerates stem cells and it's proven to do that. Which then it's. They're like really advanced, really expensive therapies in the fact that your body would just do it if it has the right stimulus. And so you've got therapies that will do all this. And if somebody's trying to save, then they can, they can like switch out what they're doing and for, you know, just go, okay, I'm gonna invest in this right now. We did stuff as well where people could do payment plans and, you know. Yeah, just do a little bit every month for six months or a year or whatever they want to do. So like, really great options there. And it's. And we've seen the most radical transformations.

[Sean]

Amazing. Yeah, we'll link it below. Yeah, Code dsh, right?

[John Otto]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That'll give people an additional discount in. In addition to the discounts and the free gifts that we added to all the programs there. And perfect. Yeah. Those full body panels are game changers. We're seeing people just get their money.

[Sean]

Yeah. I'm just documenting my journey with it. I'm excited, dude.

[John Otto]

I can't wait.

[Sean]

Yeah. Thanks for coming on again. That was fun.

[John Otto]

Welcome, man. So fun.

[Sean]

Check out the link below, guys. See you next time.

[John Otto]

Thanks.