Researcher Warns Most People Are Psychologically Controlled | Owen Benjamins | DSH #1857

Summary

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Digital Social Hour #1857: "Researcher Warns Most People Are Psychologically Controlled" with Owen Benjamin

Date: March 12, 2026
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Owen Benjamin
Duration: ~22 min (content summarized; ads, intro, and outro omitted)

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Episode Overview

In this provocative episode, comedian-turned-cultural-commentator Owen Benjamin returns for an unfiltered deep dive with Sean Kelly. Together, they question mainstream narratives, dissect the concept of psychological manipulation at scale, and riff on everything from conspiracies about eels and nuclear bombs to the unseen mechanisms of control in media, economics, parenting, and pop culture. Owen brings a mix of sharp cultural critique, personal philosophy, and comedic irreverence, pushing boundaries and challenging listeners to rethink what they consider "normal."

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Conspiracies and Cultural Curiosity

• The Mystery of Eels and Collective Knowledge
  • Owen opens with an offbeat detail: "No one knows how eels reproduce, and they'll act like they do, but they really don't." [(00:05)].
  • He draws a parallel to phenomena we accept but seldom question, like women’s synchronized menstrual cycles.
  • Quote: "The farther you dig into this, no one knows how eels reproduce, and a lot of them just seem to come from one part of the ocean. Interesting... it blows my mind." — Owen [(01:10)]

2. Deconstructing “Wizard Spells”: Mass Manipulation

• Spells, Broadcasts, and the Power of Words

  • Owen equates modern broadcasting with spell-casting: "My father was a rhetoric professor... It's called broadcasting. Like, what do you cast? Yeah, spells." [(03:17)]
  • He insists the manipulation often relies on choice, not force, and on people internalizing defeat or victimhood.
  • Quote: "The wizard spell requires you to choose it... It’s very Sun Tzu stuff. It's like, get someone to choose defeat." — Owen [(04:56)]

• Examples: AIDS Panic, Nostalgia, and Economic Fear

  • He references cultural moments like the AIDS scare, both in celebrity stories (Magic Johnson, Greg Louganis) and product marketing ("they were selling a diet pill called AIDS at the same time"), to highlight manufactured polarity and fear [(02:30)].
  • Mass fear campaigns (e.g., the dollar’s value, nuclear threats) and nostalgia programming are described as psychological traps that encourage hopelessness and externalizing blame.

3. The Nature of Slavery in Modern Society

• Owen reframes slavery as psychological (externalizing authority, debt-bondage), not merely physical.
  • Quote: "Slavery is externalizing authority... Bond debt is bondage. That’s a big spell." [(05:43)]
  • He describes his effort to live simply and reduce personal dependency on external systems (barn living, growing food).

4. Parenting, Discipline, and Social Change

• Both discuss changes across generations in approaches to discipline and trauma.
  • Owen reflects on evolution from "physical abuse" to an emphasis on communication; he only uses minimal physical correction for dangerous situations and decries both parental and systemic physical force [(07:41), (08:11)].
  • Quote: "All that does is say, like, I gotta get away from this asshole or I gotta beat him up. Makes it worse... then you live with that trauma." — Owen [(08:47)]

5. Hollywood, Abuse, and Power Dynamics

• Owen points to historic and ongoing abuse in Hollywood, referencing notorious figures and cultural secrecy.
  • He connects the prevalence and silence around elite predatory behavior to systemic sicknesses in positions of power [(09:37)].
  • Quote: "This whole industry is, like, super gay... it’s more like hold my pocket type stuff than it is like Brokeback Mountain." — Owen [(12:13)-(12:35)]
  • Discussion broadens to pedophilia among elites as a means of breaking empathy and fostering a willingness to commit broader harm [(13:47)-(14:06)].

6. Bill Gates, Power Elites, and Manufactured Narratives

• Owen alleges the Gates family has deep-rooted wealth and influence, discrediting “self-made” myths, and points out Gates' involvement in trends like synthetic foods and engineered produce [(15:12)-(16:26)].
  • Quote: "He was groomed in a way to not have human empathy." — Owen [(15:12)]
  • The discussion veers into Gates’ personal life, odd contract clauses, and product innovations like “Apeel” (industrial fruit coatings).

7. Online Feuds, Cultural Clashes, and Gender Dynamics

• Owen discusses his feud with Andrew Wilson, openly mocking him and his wife, critiquing both personal behavior and the toxicity he perceives in “anti-feminist” circles [(17:00)-(18:48)].
• Sean brings up public humiliations in podcasting and shifts into a cultural analysis of gender power in Indian and Jewish communities, with Owen offering controversial takes on alpha-female dynamics and “cuck” culture [(19:08)-(20:42)].

8. NASA, Fear Programming, and Manufactured Wonder

• Owen debunks public excitement in media about NASA imagery and apocalyptic asteroid threats: “An image... isn't real. At any moment, a meteor is going to kill everyone — it's nonsense” [(21:08)-(21:55)].

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Broadcast Manipulation
  "It's called broadcasting. Like, what do you cast? Yeah, spells." — Owen [(03:17)]

• On Modern Slavery
  "Slavery is externalizing authority... Bond debt is bondage." — Owen [(05:43)]

• On Parenting and Trauma
  "All that does is say, like, I gotta get away from this asshole or I gotta beat him up. Makes it worse... then you live with that trauma." — Owen [(08:47)]

• On Hollywood’s Dark Side
  "This whole industry is, like, super gay... it’s more like hold my pocket type stuff than it is like Brokeback Mountain." — Owen [(12:13)-(12:35)]

• On Pedophilia and the Elite:
  "They can't have compassion to do what they do... pedophilia kind of can, like, fracture that when you're young so that you grow into somebody that doesn't think that's wrong." — Owen [(14:03)-(14:06)]

• On Living Simply and Escaping Debt:
  "I lived in a barn for three years, and now... we built a house." — Owen [(07:06)]

• On Manufactured Space Fears
  "At any moment, a meteor is going to kill everyone — it's nonsense." — Owen [(21:55)]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:05–01:36: Eels' reproduction mystery; challenging accepted knowledge
• 02:11–03:12: AIDS, Magic Johnson, media manipulation, “polarity seeding”
• 03:17–04:56: Spell theory, rhetorical manipulation, psychological control
• 05:25–06:45: Slavery redefined; economic dependence and debt
• 07:41–08:49: Discipline, trauma, and the failure of force (parenting & society)
• 09:13–12:13: Hollywood abuse, dominance, elite sexual deviance
• 13:47–14:06: Pedophilia as elite “breaking” mechanism
• 15:12–16:26: Bill Gates, family legacy, synthetic foods, odd behaviors
• 17:00–18:48: Online feuds, Andrew Wilson, adversarial comedy
• 19:08–20:42: Public female dominance in marriages (Indian/Jewish cultures)
• 21:08–21:55: NASA, “image” vs. reality, apocalyptic fear programming

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Tone & Style

The episode blends irreverent humor with a tone of skeptical inquiry. Owen’s approach is unapologetic, iconoclastic, and often controversial, with references delivered in a conversational, sometimes conspiratorial style. Sean acts as a facilitative host—curious, open, occasionally challenging, but mostly guiding the flow.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a whirlwind tour through the mind of Owen Benjamin: skeptical, critical of mainstream narratives, and unafraid to touch taboo or fringe topics. Core threads include resisting victimhood, questioning the stories society tells us, and the dangers of psychological manipulation—whether from media, government, or culture itself.

Note: Some topics and viewpoints may be highly controversial or offensive to some audiences.

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Transcript

[Owen]

Did I talk to you about how no one knows how eels procreate?

[Host]

No. I love eating eels, though. I'm curious.

[Owen]

Okay, so if the farther you dig into this, no one knows how eels reproduce, and they'll, like, act like they do, but they really don't. Like, no one's ever witnessed an eel reproduce after Hiroshima, Nagasaki. If you reported that it was anything but a nuclear bomb, I break it down. I help people kind of see how spells work and how, you know, manipulation works at a grand scale.

[Host]

All right, guys. Owen, back on the show. It's been. Been about a year, my friend. How you doing?

[Owen]

I'm great, man. Thanks for having me.

[Host]

Yeah. How's the farm life?

[Owen]

Farm life is solid. A lot of good, a lot of intense smells. Great food.

[Host]

Yeah. Putting carbon in the soil.

[Owen]

Putting carbon in the soil, man, we

[Host]

just had your boy on that was fun episode.

[Owen]

Yeah, no, he's great.

[Host]

You still doing any comedy or you kind of.

[Owen]

Yeah, I do. You know, I do a podcast every day, and then I. Once a year. I'll usually do a show, but I haven't been touring much lately. But now that my kids are getting a little older, I think I probably will again.

[Host]

What's the latest conspiracy you're all in on lately?

[Owen]

Oh, man, there's so many of them. Did I talk to you about how no one knows how eels procreate?

[Host]

No.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

I love eating eels, though. I'm curious.

[Owen]

Okay, so if the. The farther you dig into this, no one knows how eels reproduce, and they'll, like, act like they do, but they really don't. Like, no one's ever witnessed an eel reproduce, and a lot of them just seem to come from one part of the ocean. Interesting, that. And that, to me, it blows my mind. It's kind of like how they don't know why women's periods sync up. Everybody's like, oh, yeah, women's periods sync up. If they all live together, it's like, how does that happen?

[Host]

Yeah, someone needs to figure that out.

[Owen]

Like, it. I lose sleep over these things. And so there's that one. There's also. I've been doing a lot of stuff lately on the nuclear stuff. Like, Chernobyl is now, like, a natural. It's a nature preserve. It's like one of the most pristine places on the planet. And, you know, the nuclear bomb, fear, and all that, it's. I mean, I've been breaking it down at Ladle tv. I do this whole series called how to Slay a Wizard where I go. I usually go Farther back in time. So it doesn't trigger people as much. Like the AIDS thing with like Magic Johnson and Greg Luganis. That was before your time. I'm dead serious.

[Host]

I know Magic, not the other guy.

[Owen]

So Magic Johnson means like wizard penis?

[Host]

No way, dude.

[Owen]

Magic Johnson. Johnson, Right. And then. And then the other famous AIDS guy was Greg. Lou Ganis. And neither one are dead. And so.

[Host]

And they never talk about how they fixed it.

[Owen]

No, Magical Johnson and Greg Louganis. And so. And Lou Ganis did the. The one time in the history of the Olympics he smashed his head and got blood in the pool. Meanwhile, they were selling a diet pill called AIDS at the same time. I call it polarity seeding, where they're like scaring everybody about aids. Meanwhile, they're like, with aids, you can lose weight at the same time on the same channels. That's crazy. And so I like to go back. I show Sally Strothers stuff like that. You know, about this fat white lady in Africa trying to, you know, get. Get money for the kids. So, yeah, I break it down. I help people kind of see how spells work and how, you know, manipulation works at a grand scale. And so that's what I've been up to. So.

[Host]

So you think someone's casting wide net spells and just brainwashing people?

[Owen]

In a way, yeah. I mean, it's called. I mean, think about it. My. Because my father was a rhetoric professor in the broadcasting department. It's called broadcasting. Like, what do you cast? Yeah, spells.

[Host]

That's true.

[Owen]

You know, and I'm not even, like, I'm not even saying it should stop or it's evil or like, it's just how to survive it. Like how to just have your fundamentals and know how to just stay grounded and not just keep getting tricked, you know, because people get tricked and then they self destruct.

[Host]

What spells do you think they're working on right now?

[Owen]

Man?

[Host]

I. Transhumanism seems to be one.

[Owen]

Yeah, they just love trans, you know, anything trans. It's almost like just people that don't want to be themselves. I'm like, as a dad, like, I have four little kids at this point, my whole worldview has gotten a lot smaller and more localized. And I just see, you know, some of these, even adult wizards, I just see as like little kids that. That grew up to not feel good about themselves, you know, where they're like, we have to change, you know, like being against carbon. It's like we're made out of carbon.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

And so I think it's a lot of. It's just on a personal level, you know. But the mass. Mass spell, it is a major spell to make it seem like America is.

[Host]

Yeah, this dollar is losing value.

[Owen]

Yeah. That everything. Because if you go back and research the history of America, it's always had its problems. It's always had wild times. I mean, in 33, they made it illegal to own your own gold. You know, after Hiroshima, Nagasaki, if you reported that it was anything but a nuclear bomb, you would be executed.

[Host]

Wow.

[Owen]

Dude, that's crazy. Yeah. And it's.

[Host]

It's just like not even 100 years ago.

[Owen]

Yeah. I think a lot of that. Yeah. Nostalgia programing is big right now. Just to kind of. Because I think the wizard spell requires you to choose it. It's not force driven at all. So to choose hopelessness, it just makes you. It's very Sun Tzu stuff. It's like get someone to choose defeat. And I think that's what's going on a lot. Right. And also that externalizing blame, that if only they change, then we'll be okay. Versus that paradigm of like, what can I do different? Like, whatever problem you have, you know, there's a demographic problem. We'll have kids. Well, the food's poisoned. We'll grow food. You know, it's like, I think like externalizing authority is how you make slaves.

[Host]

Yeah. Victim mindset. Right.

[Owen]

Yeah. And also just the concept of a slave requiring like a shirtless whip or something. Slavery is externalizing authority.

[Host]

Yeah. It's not a physical thing.

[Owen]

Always no bondage. Think about what bonds are to have a bond. You know, it's like those. Bond debt is bondage. So I think like, that's a big spell. It's just like the idea of a whip or like physical abuse makes you a slave versus a slave. You know, I think it was Aquinas talked about how you're. You're a slave to your vices. Like whatever makes you weak, whatever you need, whatever you're willing to sacrifice your morality for is your slavery.

[Host]

I could see that there's some wild stats on debt. Like wild. 90 plus percent of people in debt.

[Owen]

Wild.

[Host]

Even myself owning a house, I'm technically in debt, you know.

[Owen]

Totally. Yeah, I benefited. I bought a condo in debt and I sold it for a pretty large profit. So I try not to be a. A dick about that.

[Host]

Well, most houses, if you're living in it, so terrible investment.

[Owen]

Yeah. Yeah. And it's also, it's. It's also the type of debt, you know, if you have A fixed rate. You know, I'm not. I'm not, like, trying to be, like, some purist dude, but it's like, debt means that you have to work to pay it off, like, that you owe someone else something.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

And so I just like to always think, like, how can I live Simpler? Because, you know, I mean, a lot of homeless people have no debt, so obviously it's possible. And then you just scale up from there. Like, can you just buy a really small piece of land and live in a trailer? Can you, you know, live with your extended family? And then you. That's kind of what I did. I lived in a barn for three years, and now. Yeah. And then we built a house.

[Host]

But well done.

[Owen]

Thanks, man. Yeah.

[Host]

My grandparents grew up on a barn.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

That's how it used to be.

[Owen]

Yeah. And it makes you strong.

[Host]

It does. Can't deny that. A lot of physical abuse back then, but there was.

[Owen]

That's the nostalgia thing.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

Like, I talked to my mom, you know, she was from a small town in Wisconsin, and. And we're, like, talking about that. She was like, the men were a bunch of violent drunks.

[Host]

Yep.

[Owen]

I'm like, thanks, Mom. Because it's true. Like, that German side of her, she's very much like, don't you dare start dreaming about a time that didn't exist.

[Host]

That's been lost over the years. Now you can't lay a hand on your kids.

[Owen]

Right.

[Host]

You know?

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

You'll get canceled.

[Owen]

Yeah. And for me, it was always like. The only physical I'd ever do is, like, I do a pinch here. And it was only if they didn't understand words properly. And they were like, in a. And they were like, put another one of my kids in a dangerous situation. But in general, it doesn't even really work. Yeah.

[Host]

I don't think it works.

[Owen]

I don't think it works either.

[Host]

I used to slap me a little

[Owen]

bit in the face, and what did that. What did that do?

[Host]

Made me rebel more, honestly.

[Owen]

Totally. Right. Well, I think the system does that with us. Like, that's why they don't do force.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

Like, no one has ever kicked in my door, and I was kicked off Airbnb. You know what I mean? It's like. It's like I've never had any force against me, and I think it's because it really doesn't work. It has to be choice.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

You know, and that. And that's why the only physical I've ever done with kids was never, like, angry or something. It was just Kind of like, it was just like. You feel how that feels uncomfortable. Just associate that with you pushing a baby, you know, like it was just that. But, like, yeah, any parent that, you know, slaps their kid or gets mad and, like, all that does is say, like, I gotta get away from this asshole or I gotta beat him up.

[Host]

Makes it worse. Because then you live without trauma.

[Owen]

Yeah. You know, so that's true. Man, I can't even imagine doing that. Like those. Yeah. Like, there'd be these guys living lives with quiet desperation and they'd, like, take it out on their kids. And there was. As much as the Internet can be annoying, at least there is an outlet. You know, there was a time when. Who are you going to tell? The priest? Yeah, he's a homo.

[Host]

You know, there was some actor, he killed both his parents. Did you see that yesterday?

[Owen]

Oh, yeah. It was Rob Reiner.

[Host]

Yeah, I. I don't know who that is, but I know he was.

[Owen]

Rob Reiner was in all in the Family, directed some movies. He directed a movie. I like Princess Bride. But there was, like, this big joke that he was, like, raping his son. Like, Al Franken did that in a roast where he was, like, joking about raping his son. And I don't think his son found it very funny. So his son's just slashed his throat and now he's dead.

[Host]

And the mom.

[Owen]

Yeah, yeah. That's nuts, because maybe the mom watched and didn't say anything, you know?

[Host]

Jesus.

[Owen]

I mean, allegedly. This is what I. You know, Allegedly. Let's know. That guy's known for being a sick puppy out in Hollywood.

[Host]

Well, Hollywood in general, right? Yeah, Especially that industry. I've heard wild shit.

[Owen]

Especially. Again, it used to be way crazier to, like, the 80s and shit, man. Like Heather O' Rourke and the Spielberg. All that shit is nuts.

[Host]

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[Owen]

Like, because there was no outlet. Like, you'll see photos of like Drew Barrymore and all these child actors on like these people's laps and it's like nobody's monitoring that.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

Now at least there's like social media, social stigma. Social media. Yeah.

[Host]

Yeah. Leonardo has to move a little smarter with the 21 year olds now. Yeah. He likes those young women.

[Owen]

He does, yeah. And if you watch old clips of him, he was, I think he was severely taken advantage of as a kid. I mean, probably. I mean, no, it's like his manager, his publicist, they're like, they're like pedophile. Like they've been like arrested for pedophilia.

[Host]

Happened to Bieber too, I think.

[Owen]

I think so too.

[Host]

Did you watch the Diddy documentary yet?

[Owen]

No, but I've. I used to hang out with these strippers. Not like me at a strip club, but strippers and comedians kind of would have a lot in. Like they'd come to the comedy club and, and they would tell me that these rappers were all homos and I was like, what? They're like, oh yeah, we get paid to go to these parties with like all these rappers and they just all end up banging each other and we just like hang out. And so I started streaming about that years ago and everyone's like, oh, that's racist or something. I'm like, dude, I'm telling you, they're, they're like, this whole industry is like super gay.

[Host]

I wonder what the psychology of that is. I think it's because they could get any girl they want. They get bored.

[Owen]

Right, I've heard that. And it's also that daddy mentality if you have the handler, groomer.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

And so it's like, you know, it's more like that dominance. Like this is going to sound weird, but if you ever see like a male goat rape a male goat, it's about like, I'm the boss.

[Host]

Okay.

[Owen]

And it's about humiliation.

[Host]

It's a mental thing.

[Owen]

Yeah. And it's similar with like prison stuff. And it's like, I think it's more like hold my pocket type stuff than it is like Brokeback Mountain, you know,

[Host]

so that I could see. But then how does it get to the pedo stuff, you think?

[Owen]

How does it get demonic realm.

[Host]

Demonic.

[Owen]

I mean, children aren't, like. They're not sexual beings, so I think it's only the destruction of something innocent and beautiful. Like, it's just demonic. Yeah. You know, cycle of violence, cycle of abuse. I had to do it, so I'm gonna do it to you. I don't. I mean, it's kind of hard to. I can usually do pretty good empathy exercises, but it's kind of hard to put yourself in the shoes of a pedo, you know? It's like,

[Host]

what a line.

[Owen]

No, it's true, though, because, like, I can understand murder, I can understand robbery. I can understand stuff. But, like, pedophilia, it's just like.

[Host]

Yeah, that's like.

[Owen]

It's a tough one to even, like, grasp, like, what the draw is, you know?

[Host]

Yeah. And there seems to be a lot of it at the elite levels.

[Owen]

Yeah. I think they got to serve a darkness that requires that.

[Host]

Yeah. It's like a power thing. Right.

[Owen]

And it's also how they read, I think. Well, this is a theory I once had that the elite level.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

They can't have compassion to do what they do, you know, to be able to, like, send a memo and kill a country. So I think pedophilia kind of can, like, fracture that when you're young so that you grow into somebody that doesn't think that's wrong, you know?

[Host]

Wow. So kind of breaks them a little bit.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

And so they're almost like. They see it as, like. Almost like a mercy to do their kids, where it's like, you're not going to be able to starve Bangladesh unless, you know, geez. Because think about, if you have to, like, remove all the food from a country and kill millions of people, you can't. You. You can't really have a connection to your morality. So I think that's probably a way to do that.

[Host]

That makes sense, man. Bill Gates comes to mind when you mentioned that.

[Owen]

Totally. And he comes from a up line.

[Host]

Really?

[Owen]

Oh, dude. His dad. Yeah, it was like, Margaret Sanger's like, boy, oh, dude. The Gates family, they were already rich. That's why this whole, like. Yeah, that's a spell. Garage. I started in a garage. I started in a garage. The business was. Started in a garage. I don't know a single person that's ever done anything in a garage. I mean, it's like, no. So he started in a garage, and his dad was like. His mother was like, the head of United Way and figured out, like, where all the money went in the world. And his dad, the Gates family were like old power, money. And so I think he was just. Yeah, I mean, he looks like he was groomed in a way to not have human empathy.

[Host]

Yeah, he's into some weird shit. I just found out in his prenup he could see his ex girlfriend once a year.

[Owen]

Really?

[Host]

Yeah. And his wife agreed to that. Why would you agree to that?

[Owen]

Because they're lizards.

[Host]

Yeah. What the fuck is that, dude?

[Owen]

That's fucking weird.

[Host]

10 days a year he could hang out with his ex girlfriend that's in his prenup.

[Owen]

I mean, I don't even know how that does that guy like, is Bill Gates like, oh, here I am. Like, to do, like, for the 10 days, what do they do? Do they just, like, talk about vaccines and rub their hands? Are they like, is Bill Gates just like, oh, I'm about to bang. Oh, my. He's. I don't know, man. He just doesn't seem like a sexual being. I wonder if he's like, why pay her to slap her in the face?

[Host]

Who knows what he's. Who knows? Dude, taking over. He's making fake meat. Meat. Now he's taking over fruits. He's putting a peel on the outside called Apeel. I don't know.

[Owen]

Wait, what?

[Host]

Yeah, you didn't see this. It's called a peel appeal on apples to make them last longer in the grocery store. There's now appeal on them called Apeel.

[Owen]

And he makes the peel. He makes a peel genetically or like, it's fake? Yeah, it's artificially made, so it's all he made. A fake peel.

[Host]

It's supposed to last. Make the fruit last longer in this.

[Owen]

I don't. I don't think that sounds very appealing. Dude, I got all kinds of fruit trees. I could show them. It's like, I guarantee it sucks, too. And fake meat looks insane.

[Host]

Yeah, I would never eat fake meat. I think years ago, he's trying to get people to eat insects. I think he was part of that movement, too.

[Owen]

At least that's reasonable. Where it's like. At least it's. It's natural. I don't know. I. I wouldn't need an insect, personally, but, you know, these people are kind of weird.

[Host]

Yeah, I'm good on that. What's the deal with you and Andrew Wilson, man?

[Owen]

Andrew Wilson?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

Well, I call him Pickles because you can't open a jar of pickles. And his wife looks a lot like Miss Piggy. And, well, he was running his mouth years ago where he was saying, that something I was doing was a scam. And so I called him out. I'm like, no, it's not. Let's debate. And then he backed off because I was showing exactly that that isn't possible. And then I started getting real pissed off because he wouldn't apologize, because that's a big thing to say about somebody.

[Host]

You know, I've never seen him apologize.

[Owen]

He doesn't apologize. And so then I started looking into him and he's just like a piece of shit to these women. Cuz it's like being against feminism doesn't mean hatred of women. And he has this where he's just like this nasty little bastard. And so I just started making fun of him a lot. And then he blocked me. He bailed on the debate saying that it was because of Charlie Kirk's assassination. And yeah, I mean, he's like a hypocrite. His wife has had kids with three guys. She's a pig. And I know people can think that that's bad of me to say, but she's a public figure who talks shit. Like she talks shit to people. And so you don't really get treated like a civilian if you're in the military, you know what I mean? I tell this to my Israeli friends sometimes where if you're in the military, you don't get the same treatment, you know? And so if you play your queen, you put your queen on the, on the chessboard. Well, then that's it. And she just talks a lot of shit to a lot of people. And, and I, you know, and I'm a comedian. I'm a. I used to be a heckler at a Renaissance festival. So this is like kind of my bag. And so I'm like, okay, you're going to be a joke now for a long time. And I had some listeners just make a song instead of fairy tale in New York. It's about those two. I'll send it to the after. It's hilarious. But no, he's like a total nasty little piece of shit.

[Host]

Part of me is glad my wife hates social media and isn't on it, because after seeing what happened with Akash. Did you see that?

[Owen]

Yes. I'm like, wow, that was insane.

[Host]

I would never want my wife on podcasts like that.

[Owen]

I got a strange theory about that. Part of me almost thinks she's like exaggerating to talk shit to him because I almost don't even believe what she's saying.

[Host]

She said she's a virgin. Still she doubled down.

[Owen]

I almost, I this is going to sound crazy, but I've seen a lot of Indian chicks talk a lot of shit about their husbands.

[Host]

Like a humiliation.

[Owen]

Yeah. And they almost, like, are into it. It's weird.

[Host]

Like a cuck thing.

[Owen]

Yeah. And I almost think that that might be what she's. She's like, oh, yeah, I'd fuck anybody. My husband is a piece. And he's just like, oh. I almost think that it's a cultural thing, because, like, in my culture, that's unimaginably crazy. And I think that's what a lot of people are reacting to. But I've seen a lot of Indian women do that to their husbands, and the husbands are almost, like, into it. It's weird.

[Host]

Indian women do seem to be the alphas in their relationships.

[Owen]

And I think it's because of the caste system, because when you got a Brahmin and Kshatri and all these castes and so let's say you're a dude doing well, and a Brahmin walks in, and all of a sudden you're, like, kissing his feet and shit. Like, the chick is gonna start making. You know what I mean? The female nature of that is like, oh, you let the Raj talk to you that way?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

And I think that over time, they developed this culture of like, oh, you are such a pushy. And, you know, I almost felt bad for the dude because he's never done shit to me.

[Host]

And he's a nice dude.

[Owen]

Yeah, he seems like a nice dude.

[Host]

I can see that, though, because Indians and Asian guys are, you know, I'm half Asian. They're pretty soft. Like, they're not, like, as manly or masculine as other races.

[Owen]

And Ashkenazi are like that, too. I've had Ashkenazi, like, very wealthy Jewish friends. And their wife will just be like, ira has no dick. And I'm like, dude, I'm his friend. I can hear you say that. You know, it's just so strange.

[Host]

I wonder what's going on with them.

[Owen]

Maybe just generational trauma, what I think it is. I think if you brag about screwing people over financially, like, the people in your vicinity start not respecting you when it's like, oh, I got this artist to sign this shitty deal. And the wife is going to be like, well, she'll like the money, but it'll still be like, you're kind of. You kind of suck.

[Host]

Yeah. You know, man, you've been following the Three Eye Atlas, NASA images and all that.

[Owen]

I. I told you what image means, right?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

Yeah. So, like, when they say, image. That's where imagination comes from. An image, by definition, isn't real. So, you know, I used to. I used to follow the NASA cartoon when I was a kid. I used to, like, be obsessed with, like, pulsars and white dwarfs and red giants and galaxies and stuff. And, you know, I now realize what it is, and I'm not as into it. You know, the fear stuff, too. Like, at any moment. At any moment, a meteor is gonna kill everything in the world.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

It's almost like. Yeah, it's like a tyrannical dad. It's like. It's like, I'll burn this house down anytime. You're like, no, you're not. I've never seen a meteor. No one's ever seen a meteor hit anybody. I've seen people die of fentanyl, you know, I've seen people commit suicide. I've never seen anybody get hit by a meteor. So I think that's all nonsense. Yeah.

[Host]

Oh, and it's been fun, brother.

[Owen]

Dude, you're the man. Yeah. Good times.

[Host]

Peace, guys.

[Owen]

Cheers.

[Host]

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