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A
Yeah, well, as long as you're not eating. Horrible.
B
Well, you hear these people that are like, I've been sick in 26 years. Is that necessarily good or.
A
No, it's not always good. You know, sure, maybe it could be because they're healthy, but sometimes it could be because their body is just accumulating toxins and not detoxing. Like, look, you might say these people look amazing. They're in great health. Sure. But it doesn't mean that sickness is bad.
B
Yeah. All right, guys. Scott Hall Jr. One of the most interesting accounts I've ever seen. Thanks for coming today, man.
A
Thank you very much.
B
Yeah, you're living a very unique lifestyle. It's called a janus. Right. Can you explain what that is?
A
So it's basically raw animal based. There's a difference between primal and raw animal based. With primal, there's a lot of principles we have to follow. For example, we never have fruit in the first six hours of the day. There's certain combinations. We don't have fruit with red meat because that will change the way the protein is utilized. It doesn't regenerate the body as well. Uh, we don't have milk close to me. And there's a lot of specific rules we have to follow. If you're just eating raw meat, it doesn't mean you're primal. It just means you're raw animal based. And a lot of people confuse that. And that's something that I try to clarify, because people call themselves primal, but they're not following the primal protocols, which is like, Odinous, trademarked, copyrighted, whatever. The primal diet. So the primal diet is ogenous.
B
Right. And how long have you been on this diet?
A
About six years.
B
Wow. Yeah. That's very long. What. What prompted you to start it?
A
Well, so before, I was practicing veganism in order to enhance my meditations, and I was doing lots of fasting, and at one point, I started craving raw sushi. I didn't connect any dots, but on YouTube, I was studying fasting. I saw Cole Robinson, the Snake diet. And he ate raw meat in one of his videos. And, like, it blew my mind. I instantly knew that that was what I needed to do. So that night, I had cooked ground beef for the first time in several months. And then the next day, I hopped straight on the diet overnight from being vegan.
B
And what are your thoughts on fasting now?
A
People talk about some benefits with fasting, but it's often more harmful than helpful because it deteriorates your body and it can make you high because it causes a survival emergency reaction. If you fasted and it made you feel like shit, you would die. So of course fasting is going to make you feel good. Am I denying that there's ever a benefit to it? There could be, but like Ajna says, you're robbing Peter to pay. Paul, if you're detoxing the body while fasting, you're taking nutrients from your body at the same time. And when you detox, it's a very important principle at the problem that you need nutrients to absorb the toxins. So if you're fasting, you're not putting nutrients in the body, you can cause more damage through the fasting. So it's kind of gambling to fast. And also on the diet, we're trying to get fat. So if you're fasting, you're going to be losing weight. The opposite of what we're trying to do, right?
B
Yeah. You have an interesting take on fat. You actually believe fat is healthy.
A
Yeah, yeah. So when you have fat in the body, the body will prioritize storing toxins inside of the fat. And so if you get fat in the primal diet, whenever you go through a detox, you have less pain. When you detox, your body is dissolving toxins using microbes, bacteria, virus, parasite and fungus. And then your body needs to use nutrients to absorb them, to bind with them and remove it from the body. So if you're very skinny, you'll become very deficient when you're detoxing because all your nutrients are being used for the detox. But if you have an extra 25 pounds of body fat, you can go through a cold or flu, you're still gonna be coughing and sneezing, but you're not gonna experience a lot of pain.
B
Have you ever gotten sick on this diet?
A
The only time where I've gone sick as a direct result of the foods has been, well, one time when I first started the day I did a premature, forced detox. So you don't wanna force yourself to detox, especially when you're new to the diet, because you wanna focus on getting strong. And your body is gonna get sick naturally, once, twice a year, just like you would on a cooked diet. Want to let it happen naturally. And so three, four months into the diet, I had the moldy raspberry recipe and I, I took way too much. And so this is something that Odinous should have been a little bit. He probably shouldn't have put in the book. Um, so he did an experiment where he found that there was like Mutant antibodies. I don't know the exact science of people in the blood after receiving vaccines. And when they had the moldy berries a year later, the number went down and basically you have a half cup of moldy raspberries. And he says, warning, it can make you very fatigued for a month to a year. It fucks me up for two years, Geez. Because I was. I got two vaccines, hpv right before I went vegan and started fasting. And then towards the end of my veganism spree, I was very deteriorated, very exhausted, had no energy. I started the diet immediately, felt great initially, but when I had that moldy raspberry recipe, it fucked me up and I lost all my energy and it took years to recover. And so on the other side of things where raw meat, raw meat hasn't necessarily gotten me sick before, it's when I've had one time, the Whole Foods chicken. So everybody scares salmon with chicken. So I suspect that there is antibacterial substances in the packaging. And so look, I've had beef before. Sit in the plastic for three, four weeks where it's stinky. Yeah, I scraped the outside and I ate it. Is it completely healthy to do that? There's probably still some plastic in it. But I didn't get sick. They sat in the packaging for weeks. It was stinky. Bl.
B
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A
That's great. Except is fine. But the chicken, when I ate it stinky in the plastic, I got really sick. That happened three different times. Same chicken. Well, same source multiple different times over the course of like a year and a half. And so I think it's because there's chemicals in the packaging. So if you cook something or add chemicals to it, you mutate the bacteria and then you cause food poisoning. So theoretically, according to ogenos, there's no such thing as food poisoning. When it's raw food, if it's cooked, frozen or dried, or you add chemicals to it, it's no longer raw. So when I ate that processed or the chemical exposed chicken, then it made me sick. And the last time where I've gotten sick from raw food, well, it wasn't raw anymore because I was making high meat. I put very warm water in a cooler with the high meat in it to ferment it faster. It got a little bit too hot, gave me super bad food poisoning. But you can no longer call it raw. So have I gotten sick from chemical free raw meat? No.
B
That is interesting. So when you freeze it or cook it, that's when you start getting sick.
A
Well, you can freeze meat and even ferment it and eat that and usually be fine. But I found that. So I have given high meat to a lot of my friends and what happened was when I gave it to them made from meat that was previously frozen, they got diarrhea from every single one. But when it was fresh meat, no diarrhea. Was it horrible diarrhea? No, they next time they pooped, three or four hours later, whatever, they had a little bit of liquid come out. It wasn't like uncomfortable. They're fine after that. So if it's dried, well, it's not really gonna ferment if it's dried. But freezing will always make you sick. But you freeze something in the plastic, you leach the plastic. It's. I can't give you an exact answer to that, but you process it. More likely of having an issue.
B
Cause a lot of people, it's a trend now to buy like half a cow or a full cow and then freeze it.
A
Yeah.
B
So is that plastic getting into meat? Basically, yeah.
A
If you freeze anything in plastic, it leeches into the food.
B
Jeez.
A
Yeah.
B
People don't know that.
A
Even if you cook anything in metal, you get metal in the food.
B
Really? What about the stove? There's certain pans, right?
A
Well, the only thing you want to cook in is glass.
B
Really?
A
Everything should be cooked in glass.
B
Wow. If you're going to cook, do you cook at all or you.
A
Very, very rarely. I'll have a baked potato if I'm high in anxiety and having trouble relaxing because the starch will bind with the adrenaline and help you to relax. That's the only cooked thing that's acceptable in the diet, cooked starch. But it's like a baked potato or rice or bread without soy or vegetable oil in the Bread.
B
Have you gotten any parasites from eating raw?
A
Never seen any in my stool. Never been tested. I've tried to get on purpose before by having the. The pig intestines, like the. That's a whole thing to get into. Dr. Joel Weinstock @ the University of Iowa conducted experiments with IBS patients. So in order to experiment outside the medical handbook or. Handbook or whatever, the patient has to be suffering for 10 years or be on their deathbed. So he found four people who had IBS for 10 years, and he gave them trichinosis. And three out of four had no symptoms almost immediately from the IBS. Basically completely healed, lasted about several months. The fourth person, no negative or benefit. And the reason he did this experiment is because he saw that the pigs on his farm were very healthy and had trichinosis. But the pigs in the university were all sterile with no trichinosis and in very poor health. So he gave the sterilized pigs trichinosis, and their health improved dramatically very quickly. And so that's why he got the FDA clearance to do that experiment. And so Ajna says you don't have to buy the parasite eggs. You can just eat the intestines of the pig in order to get that. Did I get anything? I don't know. But according to Ajin, this is something that I want to have because it helps process, digest the food more quickly, break down toxins more quickly.
B
Interesting, because there are, like, a lot of parasite cleanses these days. Kind of painting parasites as a bad thing. Right. You seem not.
A
Yeah. So there's an experiment I'd like to explain. The Otis did with parasites. He had various cats and dogs with different parasites, and he gave one group, chemical dewormers, one herbal and one nothing. Pretty sure all of them had the same broad diet. The ones. Okay, so all of them were experiencing symptoms. Sickness of parasite, parasite infection. The ones that had the chemical dewormers, their symptoms went away the quickest. The herbal second fastest. And the ones that had no dewormers took the longest to be free of their parasitic infection symptoms. But the ones that did not have any dewormers were in the greatest health when it was over. The ones that had the chemical dewormers were very lethargic, and at the end of their lives. He did autopsies and found that the ones that had no dewormers were in much better health. He did a lot of laboratory work, analyzing tissue, find out what toxins were stored, where. That's also how he developed the eardology, which I can get into later.
B
Yeah, how long did this guy live?
A
He lived until somewhere in his 60s, where after a series of death threats, he fell off his balcony and died.
B
Interesting.
A
Yeah.
B
Who was giving him the threats?
A
Well, he was causing some big companies a lot of distress because he caused them to get sued. And so the concern I see is when somebody causes the shareholders to lose money, that's.
B
That makes sense. Yeah. When you're losing companies billions of dollars.
A
Yeah. Yeah.
B
Now your videos are wild, dude, because you've eaten some really aged meat. What's the oldest meat you've eaten?
A
I just had some year old from my friend Attilio on my Instagram. And yeah, the oldest was a year.
B
So it was a year old. What was it, beef?
A
It was a buffalo.
B
Wow.
A
From Amos Mill.
B
So there was probably a ton of mold on it.
A
No mold on it. If there's mold on it, I don't eat it because it'll start breaking down toxins too aggressively cause a lot of symptoms, and that's something that you want to be very careful with, not forcing strong detox because you dissolve more toxins than you have nutrients for, you can cause more damage. So if you do the diet, irresponsible can be dangerous.
B
Wow. So how did the buffalo meat last a year long then?
A
Well, it lasted. No chemicals. It's raw. So you just put it in a jar, opens it twice a week?
B
Yeah, that's nuts.
A
Kept it outside.
B
You've also eaten animal shit. I saw that video.
A
Yeah, a few times. I can't post on Instagram anymore. It gets.
B
Oh, really?
A
Yeah, so I can't do that anymore. I've had it a few times.
B
Damn. What. What was that like? Did you feel it?
A
I only felt a benefit. Wants I had. I slaughtered a goat with my friends.
B
And just a random goat.
A
My friend had a farm. His dad helped us butcher it. And I squeezed out the intestines like a gogurt tube, like a piece of poop on a spoon. And I ate that. I was just at a park, had my jar with the intestines in it. People walking by, I'm like, okay, we eat this really quick. And all my anxiety disappeared immediately after, like a minute. Like there's an obvious effect. I've ate poop like four other times, didn't have any effects. Like Ajana says, you have to. You have to have it immediately after the cow poops or get it straight from the intestine because the bacteria dies when it's exposed to the air. So I'll go to a farm, ask the farmer if I can eat the cow poop. Sometimes they think I'm crazy. So this one woman was like, oh, I probably accidentally eat it all the time. That makes sense that there's bacteria in it for the probiotics and I just wait for the cow to poop. Sometimes it takes a while. Run over with my knife and eat it really quick before the bacteria dies.
B
Wow.
A
Yeah.
B
Just cow poop or other animals too.
A
Any animal that is healthy.
B
Okay, so chickens or chickens are rarely.
A
Fed a proper diet. So no, I would not. Unless they are fed only fresh meat. Even the organic soy free grain feeds often have supplements in them which are chemically processed or a lot of other garbage.
B
When it comes to eggs, there's all different kinds. What do you think is the healthiest type of egg from chickens?
A
Um, what species? Or.
B
Oh, like there's the pasture raised. There's the.
A
Okay, so you always want pasture raised. Free range basically means they get limited access to outdoors. Pasture raised, it's. It can still be sketchy and even if it's organic, it could be still fed organic soy which is still treated with kerosene. And so if you fed a chicken raw soy, it would die. So it has to be cooked or chemically processed. And it's almost always chemically processed. So even organic eggs are still not good. Yeah, so you do want soy free eggs, but even if they're fed soy, they can still be fed other garbage. So you want to go to a farmer and ask for a picture of the feed. You might be like, hey, is there a soy in this feed? They think there isn't any. And then you go on the back of the feed label and it says soybean meal. So you have to ask the farmer for a picture of the ingredients. Make sure there's no soy canola, any. Like you don't want any oil supplements. You usually not going to get something that's perfect. So I just say non gmo, no soy, pasture raised. It's the best you can get. Usually like, usually you can't get anything that's perfect. What is perfect is chickens being like vultures. Basically they, they should eat rotten meat.
B
Really.
A
You should feed the leftover scraps, cover it with like animal hide, deer hide. Go to a deer processor, get the meat, cover with the hide, the skin and let the maggots form and then feed those to the chickens and that's their best diet.
B
Really? Maggots.
A
Maggots, yeah.
B
Wow. Cuz maggots usually appear when something dies, right?
A
Yeah, you want to let it for maggot really stinky. That's what the chickens love.
B
Have you eaten maggots?
A
Not really. Like the. The high me that Atelio gave me had like a maggot in it. I ate it. I stuck my tongue out and there's a maggot on. But I haven't really ate maggots. For real? Yeah, it was dead already.
B
Anyway, what's the worst thing, taste wise, you've eaten?
A
I probably. Probably some fermented fish and a. When I first started the diet, it was really nasty.
B
Yeah. Fish is stinky.
A
Yeah.
B
Fermented fish sounds even.
A
Yeah. It turns into like alcohol. All the high me. It's like. It doesn't literally turn to alcohol, but it burns your nose like liquor. Like it can literally burn your nose and hurt.
B
Jeez.
A
Yeah.
B
Oh, my gosh.
A
If. If. If you put your nose up to it right when it pops. Yeah.
B
That's nuts, dude. With the eggs, you eat them raw though, right?
A
Always. Everything's always raw.
B
Okay.
A
Except for the potato.
B
You just crack them in your mouth. You brought some today, right?
A
Oh, well. You suck the eggs out of the shell.
B
What's the technique for that? Could you show the camera?
A
You take the fat side, this is yours. Create a little dent on your pointy tooth and then there's a little hole. You suck it out.
B
Oh, wow.
A
Swish in the mouth. And I don't do it really fast. I'll enjoy it over the course of a minute.
B
Okay.
A
Some people do it all in one go. I struggle with that. I like to enjoy over like four or five sips. I never recommend chugging a glass of eggs. You should always have it one every five minutes for proper digestion. It's just. It's a trendy thing. It's not the best to be chugging eggs. Like, enjoy it. Have one at a time.
B
Yeah. I've seen people chug like 6 or 12 at once. Get all the protein. Right.
A
Not ideal for your digestion.
B
That's crazy. Yeah. The way you're doing, it's pretty clean though. You're not making a mess at all.
A
Yeah, yeah. And then you don't have to wash a glass.
B
Yeah.
A
And you can do it anywhere.
B
That's cool.
A
Yeah.
B
Where you get your. Your raw milk from? It's legal in Cali, right?
A
Oh, well, this is just from sprouts.
B
Oh.
A
You go to Real Milk Finder or get raw milk or ask chat. GPT.
B
ChatGPT.
A
Yeah. Yeah. Actually, yeah. Ask him where to get raw milk in your city and it'll tell you.
B
Wow. I like this one app called Seed Oil Scout. Have you used that?
A
No.
B
Oh, you probably don't even go to grocery stores, so.
A
Well, that's probably for cooked food, right?
B
Yeah, yeah, package. But it does tell you where to get raw milk, too.
A
Oh, I don't know.
B
Yeah, yeah, you probably don't even go to, like, Whole Foods or anything.
A
Well, I do for, like, the pasture raised chicken or the celery.
B
Oh, so you eat veggies?
A
I don't eat vegetables. I only juice them. And that's because raw meat requires an acidic digestive environment. And if you have whole vegetables, it can alkalize your digestive tract for up to 24 hours. So if you have vegetable juice, it'll alkalize your stomach for an hour, but it won't touch your digestive tract. So you drink the vegetable juice in order to balance the acidity. So look, people think that acidity is the cause of disease. Disease results in acidity, not the other way around. When your body is detoxing, your blood gets more acidic, and then you become. You can become irritable, lose your appetite, get headaches. So the vegetable juice will balance that. If you're doing the diet without the vegetable juice, a lot of the time you'll lose all of your appetite and raw meat will just become unappetizing. So you have to have the vegetable juice every day to balance that, but never within an hour of raw meat.
B
Got it. What about alkaline water? What do you think of that?
A
I don't think it's actually going to help you. I think it's a marketing scam. And also when it comes to water, well, if you're on the raw food, water will impair your digestion, dilute your digestive juices and such. But on a cooked diet, yeah, you should be having a little bit of water, but not as much as they say to be having primarily, like, raw milk. Tomatoes and cucumbers and fruit.
B
Dang. So you're not drinking, like, out of water bottles or.
A
Rarely Every once in a while.
B
Do you ever get dehydrated?
A
Very rarely. Very rarely. The raw milk is very hydrating.
B
So that's a lot of raw milk. So do you drink all of that in one day?
A
This is a hat. This is a half gallon. I'll drink about a gallon a day. Three quarters of a gallon.
B
Damn. So that makes sense how you're hydrated a gallon overall milk.
A
Yeah, I'm drinking milk all day long. Like, sometimes I'll think I'm thirsty, but actually I'm Just hungry. Like, if you're, if you're dehydrated, it means that your mouth can't produce saliva. You know, like that's what it really is. So, yeah, you're, you're thirsty. Eat some cherry tomatoes. Like, you can take them anywhere or have. Don't have lemon water because that'll demineralize you. So I have a mineral deficiency as a result of my past fasting and the vaccines. Also a lot of smoking that I'm still recovering from. I haven't done all the proper remedies that I've needed to, to fully recover from that. And if I have lemon juice by itself, I'll get tooth pain three or four hours later, not because it touched my teeth, but because it pulls minerals from the inside of your body from the inside out. So don't be having lemon water for hydration. You're going to demineralize yourself. It's going to make it harder to bind with heavy metals because you don't have the minerals for that. And so, like, look, every once in a while, sure, you have some sparkling water, lemonade with unheated honey, and that could be nice. But you should be having your cherry tomatoes and the cucumbers. But one thing on the cucumbers, you have to peel them always, even if they're organic. It has a petroleum wax on them, even if organic. So do not, do not eat the peels unless you're buying the cucumbers from a farmer directly. So you're having the cherry tomatoes, the cucumbers, the raw milk, the fruit. But another thing on the fruit, we want it unripe because when it gets ripe, the enzymes turn into sugar. So you want the enzymes for healing. When you have the sugar, causes a waste product, ages the body, makes you more irrational, demineralizes you. So we want unripe fruit with lots of fat, avocado, raw butter, raw cream to absorb the waste product. So if you just have a little bit of fruit here and there, it's not going to cause a reaction. So if you're just doing a normal cook diet and you want to hydrate, have a little bit of fruit here and there, tomato, cucumber, stuff like that. Yeah, or the raw milk. If you don't do the raw milk, just do the unripe fruit and not, well, the unripe fruit and the bland fruit.
B
What do you do for dessert?
A
Dessert? Well, you can make the raw ice cream. It's absolutely delicious. Basically the same thing as normal ice cream, but better because there's More flavor when it's raw. You can make the raw cheesecake. You take. I like to do this. I like to take the raw cheddar cheese from the Amish. No salt. I let it sit on the counter until it gets dry and starts sweating. There's a crust on the outside, then you grate it really finely. And then you have butter with honey mixed, a little bit of vanilla extract. That's raw butter, by the way. A little bit of vanilla extract. And you can have, like, plum or any kind of fruit diced on top of that. And you can also put a little bit of cream. That's delicious. You have the rye ice cream. You got the raw cheesecake. You can make a smoothie, raw milk, cream, egg, honey, and any fruit you want. So those are, like, the desserts you can have. There's even sometimes the raw meat recipes I make are like dessert.
B
Yeah.
A
You can make them very nice if you know how to make it taste good.
B
Damn, I love cheesecake. I would actually eat what you just.
A
Yeah, right. You can make. You can. Instead of grating the cheese, you can actually very, very gently melt it and blend it. And it's basically, like, identical, but completely healthy. And you're gonna get really fat on it, like we want to.
B
Yeah.
A
So there's. There's ways you can incorporate raw food where you can enjoy and benefit in health greatly without making a big sacrifice of having to. If you eat some raw food, you're gonna benefit in health. Right. So I recommend experimenting with some of these recipes. And if you learn to enjoy it, you might start to realize, like, I feel a lot better eating this than the cooked food. If I feel better eating this, I'll probably feel better eating the raw meat. And you see me make a recipe that looks good. You try it, you realize you feel better. You're like, I want to feel better.
B
Yeah.
A
Eventually. The idea is that eventually you don't crave cooked food, and it no longer comforts you because you can make the raw food really nice, and it can satisfy you more than cooked because you're not going to be deficient anymore.
B
Is it true? Cooking the food gets rid of nutrients?
A
Yeah. So destroys all the enzymes. Something I'll talk about. Another experiment with that.
B
Yep.
A
So what's his name? Price Pottinger. And what was it? I forgot his name. But he did an experiment with rats. One had cooked food and one had raw food. The one that had cooked food lived the same length as the raw rats, but they had all the diseases as men. Then he noticed that the cooked food rats ate all their poop. So he had to redo the experiment where they couldn't eat their own poop. And the cooked food rats that didn't eat their poop only lived 2/3 as long. And the theory was that they were cycling their enzymes through their poop. And so you're enzyme deficient. When you cook, your food decreases your lifespan as a result, not only because of that, but also swells the fat, makes it harder to break down. So bloating causes more cellulite, denatures the protein that dehydrates it. You have to drink water, you have to have more liquids when you eat cooked food. And it just, it creates toxins. You cook it in metal, you're creating toxins in general, it just deteriorates the food. It's not that you need more nutrients in order to do the same job, it's that the nutrients are weaker. You can't. If you build the same bone with cooked food, it's gonna be more brittle no matter how much more calcium you have. It's not about needing more, it's about, it's just inferior in every way.
B
Yeah. So when Gavin came on, who you used to cook for, talked about viruses, that clip went viral. Did you see that one?
A
Yeah.
B
What did you think about that?
A
Well, I can just explain briefly how the viruses work. So when your body wants to detox, that has a concentration of toxins that is like so potent that bacteria would immediately die if you try to break it down or parasites couldn't thrive, or even mold, your body will produce a solvent, AKA the virus, to dissolve it. And so it's a non living thing that dissolves toxins in the body. And so if you have a viral detox infection, you're gonna have more symptoms than if you have bacteria, parasite, or fungus, because bacteria and parasite will break down the waste product to be less, less potent. So the virus, it's not breaking it down at all, just it's dissolving all of it. So if you have bacteria turn like, I don't know the exact numbers, I forgot, but let's say it turns 100% of the toxins into 20%. Your body only has to deal with 20% now, for example. And so now that we have all these vaccines and chemicals, we get viral infections, unlike in the past where we didn't really have to have those because our bodies could process with the bacteria. And right now I'm checking my teeth because I'm. If you, sometimes if you suck an egg, your teeth can get a little yellow. So I'm like, I don't want my teeth to be all over the car. Get like, egg crossed my lips. So that's what I'm trying to check.
B
No, you're good. Your teeth are actually white. Do you brush your teeth? Yeah, because Gavin doesn't.
A
Oh, yeah. I. When I first started the diet, I didn't brush my teeth for, like, two years because all the carnivore people are like, you don't eat fruit. You don't have to brush your teeth because you're not eating sugar. But the. One of the primary ways the brain detoxes is by creating plaque on the teeth. And so your body will use minerals to bind with metals from the brain and put it on the teeth. And you have to remove it. And if you don't, it'll dissolve your teeth. So I've had teeth issues partially because I didn't brush my teeth for two years. I wasn't having, like, any obvious issues until, like, later I looked at my teeth and I found I had cavities. So you have to remove the plaque or else it'll create cavities. And so you have to make your own coconut cream. You can't buy it from the store. There's no coconut oil either that you can get that's truly raw. And you have coconut cream with moist clay and apple cider vinegar. And there's a specific portion you do for that, and that's really good for brushing the teeth.
B
Is coconut oil a scam?
A
It can be useful. Hodginess did say, if you're gonna cook your food in some kind of oil, coconut oil would be the best. I don't know everything about that side of things. But having a small amount of oil will help your body detox. It produces solvent, helps produce the virus, basically, and to break down dead cells and toxins. So Ajuna says, I have a tablespoon of olive or coconut oil a day. The proper unheated cold pressed. Actually, even if it says it's cold pressed, doesn't mean it is. You have a tablespoon of that every day. Helps you detox. Um, if you have too much, you can get fucked up. So, like, if you're already having a cold or flu, let's say. Let's say you're doing the primal diet and you have no idea what you're doing, and you go into a detox and you eat a meat meal with a olive oil recipe. In the book Diogenes has. You get way more fucked up because you Just like tripled your detox. So, like, when you're detoxing, you don't touch oil. So there's some things you need to know. And I'm. I'm writing a book that's going to go over all these details so you don't fuck yourself up. Like, if you're just doing the diet, casually eat some raw meat, have some raw milk and raw eggs. Rarely gonna be an issue. But if you're going into the more advanced stuff, you have to be careful or else you can fuck yourself up.
B
Yeah.
A
Not because it's dangerous, but because the stuff that's already in your body, that's dangerous is gonna come out really fast and dissolve your insides.
B
Yeah. Have you seen someone with a major disease try this diet out? Like cancer or some autoimmune disease?
A
Most people who start the diet have some sort of significant issue. Not significant. Not most of them, but a lot who have issues will find this diet. That's why they have to do the diet. And a lot of time, it can be a long, long recovery process. But they do get better. They stay if they stick to it. Odinus was the one who really had a lot of the very sick clients. I haven't really worked with a lot of super sick people, just people with minor issues.
B
Yeah.
A
Or I'm minor. By people with Crohn's and stuff. I can help point them in the right direction.
B
What made you start getting on social media? Because you. You were low key before. Right.
A
Um, I just didn't think about it for a while. I was. I was inspired. I was inspired. I had some amazing realizations on finally learning how to heal. Because there's a long process of learning how to do the diet properly. And I. I suffered a lot. I made a lot of mistakes that myself up further and I wanted to prevent others from having the same mistakes. So I was inspired and wanted to share what I learned.
B
Yeah.
A
And then eventually I went on Instagram.
B
And then you blew up quick.
A
Oh, no. It took about four years.
B
Oh, really?
A
I. I was stuck at a thousand followers for like four years.
B
Oh. What?
A
I started blowing up out of nowhere.
B
What was the video that blew up?
A
I ate the. The fermented pork.
B
Oh, God.
A
The fermented pork is what blew me up.
B
Fermented pork. How old was that?
A
It's only like seven weeks.
B
Seven weeks?
A
Yeah.
B
Was it healthy pig or was it. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of. The pig is. I heard is super unhealthy. Right.
A
I'm Amish. It was good Yeah, a lot of. A lot of pork is bad. I don't. I don't eat pork from the grocery store because. Okay, so cow, that's fed soy isn't a big deal because they can digest soy.
B
They got four stomachs.
A
Yeah. But the pigs and the chickens, they don't digest soy very well. So the. The pig is usually not fed as well.
B
Yeah. I love the Amish for food and for dogs. I got both my dogs from Amish. They're good dog breeders. Yeah. Shout out to the Amish. So Gavin said, actually, I. I wanna ask you about saunas. Cause I. I like saunas. But you don't think they're the best for you, Right?
A
Not ideal. Cause it's stressful in the lungs. Thins your mucus. If you thin your mucus, you don't have the protective layer from the pollution, so you're gonna absorb more toxins. So if you're coughing and sneezing, the mucus is removing toxins from the pollution or something that your body dissolved already. So if you're dissolving that, like, hey, you might temporarily breathe better. Um, but later you're more likely to get things like asthma because your lungs can get damaged.
B
So what if you use asana, where your head's sticking out? Have you seen those?
A
Um, yeah, sure. But it's not ideal because. Well, one, if the sweat stays on you for a long time, it can damage your skin because you're detoxing through it, so you want to wipe off your sweat. And the air does not transfer heat as well as a hot bath. So if you're in a hot bath, you can detox much faster than a sauna because the water transfers heat faster.
B
What do you put in your hot baths?
A
So because the tap water, we have to put the raw milk, apple cider vinegar, and salt to neutralize the toxins.
B
Wow.
A
And then it's fine to bathe in.
B
Okay.
A
You still can't drink it, though.
B
Does that get rid of the microplastics in the birth control?
A
I don't know about the plastics because it's like a physical thing, but any chemicals and anything in the water help absorb it so it doesn't cause issues. So Ogenous was super sensitive and, like, he would take a shower and he could, like, feel the chemicals in it. And with how sensitive he is, if he could take a hot bath with the milk and he's fine, it's like everybody else should be fine.
B
Are you doing cold plunges, too?
A
Do not do the cold exposure.
B
Really?
A
I Used to do it really hard thinking I was making myself stronger mentally and I was becoming tougher. But your body has to use nutrients to warm itself up so it can waste your nutrients and deteriorate you. And it applies a lot of stress to the body. And what we want to do is we want to relax and get fat and sleep a lot. And the ice baths can stimulate you, give you a ton of energy, not because you're becoming healthier, but because it's an emergency response. So sometimes people can be in poor health, experiencing detox symptoms, and they can do an ice bath and feel better because their body has to stop the detox. Yeah, because it has to deal with the emergency response. Same goes for fasting your supplements. Your body has to stop the detox in order to process what's happening to it.
B
You believe the immune system doesn't exist.
A
So the immune system is basically a misunderstanding, or so they tell us that the immune system fights microbes and it's like, well, your immune system fails, then you get sick because the bacteria took over or whatever. Agena says the immune system is actually the lymphatic system. It dissolves toxins in the body and eliminates it. When you're sick, your lymph nodes get swollen because it's filtering toxins. So the body utilizes microbes to dissolve toxins and eliminate it from the body. It's not fighting the microbes, it's utilizing them to break down the toxins.
B
Interesting.
A
Yeah. So we don't want to focus on preventing sickness. We want to allow ourselves to get sick whenever it happens naturally and finish it. We don't want to do ginger juice shots or ice baths to stop it or some kind of tea to stop the sickness. We want to take a lot of hot baths, drink milkshakes and sleep a lot so that we can take advantage of that and heal.
B
Yeah.
A
Then you feel better after once you recover.
B
Yeah. Because you believe sickness is misunderstood.
A
Sickness is detox. Yeah. So if you vomit, send it to a lab, you're going to find toxins in it.
B
I did want to talk about the iridology. You mentioned that earlier. So what can you tell looking at someone's eyes?
A
So the inner part of the eye represents the inner part of the body. Outer is the outer. So where everybody is the most toxic is the intestines. The body stores a lot of metal in the intestines because it's a well agent. Says the stomach is the most resilient tissue in the world. It can dissolve, like bone, but it won't dissolve hair. And so your body will like basically put heavy metals in it because it can handle it without it being damaged as as badly. So the inner part of the iris is usually the most brown because it has metals in the intestines. And then usually there's a big black grain on the outside. That's your lymphatic system. And you can see every organ in every part of the iris and you can see variations in color to see what toxin is stored where. An ognist did laboratory research doing autopsies in animals, looking at the irises or someone like even for example, with cancer, he would get the tumors removed. If they did happen to get it removed, he would ask for it to send it to a lab to find what was in it. So he, over the course of 30, 35 something years, analyzed tens of thousands of viruses, before and after sickness, before and after vaccines, surgeries on different diets, people who had salt, no salt, vegan, et cetera, everything you can think of. And he saw what it did. Exactly. And so with iridology, you can see exactly what's happening inside the body. If you're using blood work, you get to see what's circulating in the body, but not what's stored. So one story, Aginus had a client who had an autistic kid. And this kid was, after about two years, was able to start speaking and taking care of himself. But the doctors would freak out and try to get the mom to get the kid off the diet because his blood work was terrible. His blood work was terrible, Ajuna says, because it was removing the metals. If his blood work was good, that means he wouldn't have been getting better because there'd be nothing circulating, it would still be stored there. So in his irises you would see that the toxins would be being removed. So like, the doctors are getting scared. But the thing is, the kid's able to talk now. It doesn't matter what the blood work says. It matters that he's getting better.
B
A lot of people have autism these days.
A
Yeah, basically. Ajana says, I say ojin necess for everything. Cause everything's based on odinous. And also I like to think maybe take some liability off me, I don't know, I'm just the messenger evangelists. But like heavy metal stored in the communication center of the brain affects your ability to communicate. If it stores anywhere else, that's where it's going to damage.
B
So, so you don't. You're not a fan of blood work, right?
A
No.
B
What. What's a good Test to measure health on. In your opinion?
A
Irises. Irises. I don't really.
B
I gotta get my test. Where's a good spot?
A
There's only like one or two people who can read the irises.
B
That's it in the world.
A
There's a lot of people who can do it, but not primal style.
B
Oh, okay.
A
And so there is David Fraser. He can do the irises. There's this other guy, his name's Kliki. If you look at my following on Instagram, you can search them and find their names.
B
Okay.
A
But there isn't a lot of iridologists and people say they can do it, but nobody can compare it to Ogenus. This system was completely unique.
B
You believe that germ theory is a myth?
A
Yeah. So germs creating disease? No, germs reverse disease. They dissolve toxins in the body, like I mentioned earlier, and you're sick, you're detoxing. So how disease results is that toxins accumulate in the body, damage the system and prevent proper function, or it's the result of deficiencies. Your body doesn't have what it needs to function properly. So it's not that bacteria is attacking the body, damaging. Damaging anything. It's that the bacteria is removing those toxins. So you have to dissolve the toxins, microbes, foods in the diet, and then fulfill the deficiencies with raw foods.
B
I will say, during the pandemic, as soon as everyone started going back outside, they all got sick. Because everyone's immune system, or you don't believe in immune system, but everyone wasn't exposed, I guess, Right, to germs.
A
Yeah, I don't have any comment on that necessarily. Like Ajana says, like you have seasonal detox. Like people get sick at the same time every year. Like I'll get sick usually every December when you buy detoxes and cycles. Or he even said he had a dream one time that you could. Your body learned how to detox by being around someone who's sick. Because it could get like the. The blueprint of the solvent, the virus. Even if it was contagious, doesn't matter, because you get healthier as a result. Yeah, well, as long as you're not eating. Horrible.
B
Well, you hear these people that are like, I've been sick in 26 years. Is that necessarily good or.
A
No, it's not always good. You know, sure, maybe it could be because they're healthy, but sometimes it could be because their body is just accumulating toxins and not detoxing. Like, look, am I saying these people look amazing. They're in great health. Sure. But it doesn't mean that sickness is bad.
B
Yeah, yeah. When was the last time you were in a hospital or at the doctor's office?
A
When I got the two HPV vaccine six, seven years ago.
B
You got a lot of vaccines growing up?
A
Like 40 or 50.
B
Damn, that's a good amount.
A
Oh, you can see the on your records. A lot of people have had that many.
B
Yeah, because they combine them, but like three or six in one these days, right?
A
Oh, yeah, I'm. I'm not sure. I just know there's like 35 to 50.
B
Jeez. These days it's even more. Keeps going up.
A
Oh, yeah. It could be like a hundred to two hundred in California.
B
Dude, it's scary. You have kids yet?
A
No kids.
B
You want kids?
A
Oh, absolutely. It's the life.
B
You're. You're going to do a home birth, I could tell.
A
Oh, of course.
B
You're not going to the hospital.
A
Yeah, I don't even want to live near a hospital. I want to have my own community, have my own primal doctors.
B
Yeah, talk about that vision. Do you want to build out? Just where do you want to do that at?
A
Well, I have. There's like three stages of the dream. The first stage is developing acquiring studios in every major city where we can have bulk food shipping from the Amish so people can get more affordable foods and have the proper water filtration systems with hot tubs so they can go there to get the primal foods affordably. There's plants with fresh air and there's a kitchen with juicers and stuff. There's a hot tub you can use and it's like 24 access with a key card and it's like 100, 200, 300amonth. And you can get the foods for cheaper access the hot baths and events. And so what that would do is make the diet accessible and affordable anywhere in the United States right now. It's like some places you have to ship it and it's really expensive, bro.
B
The shipping is insane.
A
Yeah. Or you're completely alone and you have no friends on the diet. We have this set up. You have a lot of friends on the diet. We have music events and all sorts of classes there. And the second stage is farms that are about 30 to 90 minutes outside cities where we can host camping events and other stuff and offer woofing, farm work, farm trade, and places where you can, you know, escape society a little bit. And then the third stage is the off grid communities that are completely detached from Society that are far, as far away as possible from airports so that there's no chemtrails and create. People say it's like a cult, but I consider cult to be short for culture. I want to create a new culture. I'm not happy with modern society. I don't, I don't agree with modern culture. So I want to live the life the way I want to live it with people who agree with me.
B
Yeah.
A
So it's like I'm not necessarily trying to change the world. I'm trying to create a new one. Run away. Run away and create a new one. Just buy my own business so I don't have to deal with everything, get.
B
Away from all the craziness. Right?
A
Yeah. Yeah. I have generations of children and heavily influenced by music and meditation and such. So the kids are going to be raised with meditation, music, martial arts and stuff. I'm not competent martial arts right now, but eventually something I'll get into a lot of.
B
So you're still meditating?
A
Yeah, I haven't been as consistent as I'd like to be. I used to be very diligent when I was a vegan.
B
Yeah.
A
Having a lot of profound experiences. And when I damaged my health, it became very hard to meditate, very hard to focus and stay on anytime, stay on any kind of routine.
B
Right.
A
And as I've recovered my health and be able, I'm able to stick to routines much better now. And the more serious I do the diet, the more progress I make. So I've recently started meditating a little bit more. Really brings me back to like who I am and brings me a lot of clarity. But I'm not like super consistent like I'd like to.
B
Do you think there's an energetic component to food? Because a lot of people that are bigger meditation are vegans.
A
Well, people talk about like water having energy. Like you talk to the water experiments, the, the ice. And I don't apply any of that into my life. Some people think that you can eat bad food as long as you have good energy or whatever. I don't really agree with that. I, I believe, sure there's a energy energetic component to it, but do I, do I practice it? No.
B
You don't obsess over it?
A
No, I don't.
B
Yeah. A few other things you eat and that. I want to talk about cow brain, raw cow brain. How was that?
A
It's like butter. It's sweet, it's nice. If you eat a lot of it, you can get a strong brain detox actually really yeah. So if you. You have to be careful with some of the organs and glands you eat. If. If you ate a pound of cow brains, you could get. You can get sick off of it because your brain starts dumping all the toxins. So if you have something like cow brain, well, first off, it has to be proper quality if it's been vaccinated. Toxins store in the fat, and the brain is mostly fat. So the brain could be full of heavy metals if it's a vaccinated animal. So it has to be no vaccine, no dewormer, and proper quality if you're having the organ. So I only buy from Amish if it's a organ or a gland.
B
Yeah.
A
Or marrow.
B
Because the cows in all the grocery stores are vaccinated, right?
A
Yeah, basically. So I would never eat an organ from a grocery store.
B
Bravo. Marrow. Do you eat that?
A
Oh, yeah, yeah. It's very good with the stem cells. But if you cook it, freeze, or add salt, you destroy the stem cells.
B
Really?
A
Yeah.
B
So I love bone marrow.
A
Yeah. And so the bone marrow is very beneficial for speeding up healing because you got the stem cells in it instead of having to do about $30,000 stem cell injection, you can have like 2 to 4 ounces of bone marrow a day. A little bit with every meat meal. Get it from the Amish. Mm.
B
You ate some raw swordfish. Were you concerned with heavy metals in that one?
A
Uh, no. So a did an experiment with the swordfish where, you know, they say that swordfish has the most mercury. He took two groups of the swordfish. One was raw, one was cooked, fed it to dogs, and analyzed the poop. The ones that ate it cooked had almost no mercury, or they had almost no mercury in the poop, meaning their bodies absorbed all of it. And the ones who ate it raw had, like 99.9% mercury in the poop, meaning they passed it through.
B
Damn.
A
So with other experiments, he's found that when you cook, freeze, or add salt to something, any toxins in the meat will be absorbed into the body. If you eat it truly raw with no salt, the toxins pass through you, unless if it's like a heavy concentration, like an organ or a gland. So the swordfish I'm not concerned with, except for I don't eat it from the west Coast, I don't eat it from Panama, I won't eat it Japan, because there's a lot of radiation, a lot of toxicity, pollution in the water. So the east coast, or from Mexico or Australia, something like that. That's where I Get my seafood. And you're supposed to have a Geiger counter to test it for radiation.
B
Damn.
A
And I haven't done that. I need to get one. But that's what you're supposed to do.
B
So west coast oysters are a no go then?
A
Yeah, I think it's because of Fukushima. I don't remember exactly, but oddness specified all the areas you should avoid.
B
Damn. It's still. That was a long ass time ago too.
A
Well, he's. He's been dead for 12 years.
B
Yeah, well, I know radiation stays a while.
A
Yeah. Yes. I don't know. I don't know what the current statuses of all the oceans. So like I've. I've never eate seafood until the last few months because I've always been concerned about it. But it's something that I really need. Like I used to be incredibly unbalanced, paranoid. Paranoid about the new world order and just like always super anxious. And part of it is because the fasting vaccines and such. And one time I had a cup of raw tobacco juice and that fried my nerves.
B
Jeez.
A
And yeah, I. I juiced tobacco as like a shamanic practice type thing to try to cleanse myself energetically. Yeah, I threw up, got erectile dysfunction for two weeks.
B
Oh my God.
A
Then for three, four years I had severe tactile sensitivity. Touching paper would be like nails on a chalkboard. Seeing someone else touch paper would make me feel like that.
B
Damn.
A
And even to this day I occasionally feel if I get really stressed or whatever, like if I'm not 100%, I can still get that sensitivity and I'm nerve damage from it. And the raw fish is what will help that. So when I started eating the raw fish recently I've become more balanced. And so it's something that everybody should really be having on a regular basis. At least twice a week.
B
Have salmon.
A
Never salmon though.
B
Oh, why?
A
Yeah, because a lot of it is gmo dumped in the ocean and then caught again or it's processed or they vaccinated and released it.
B
So the wild caught from Alaska.
A
Yeah. So I rarely. The only time I see somebody get sick is with the salmon or deer.
B
Really?
A
Have I seen people get sick from other things? Not really.
B
Why do people get sick from deer?
A
I don't exactly understand. You know, they say there's chronic wasting disease because of microbes, there's some kind of toxicity. So they're getting vaccinated or something. I'm not sure what it is, but.
B
A lot of deer get Lyme.
A
Could be that yeah, well, Lyme is another. The doesn't believe in Lyme's disease. I don't have the statistics. The facts talk about it, but they just blame nature so that you're scared of nature and you take medication for it and you think, Ajana says you can't be allergic to raw food. So he says you can't be allergic to eggs or milk or meat. And, well, you might say, what about lactose intolerance? Well, Ajana says you can have indigestion or it could be detoxing pasteurized dairy. You need to ferment it. But about the Lyme disease, some sort of detox. I don't think it's from a tick. I don't have all the and for.
B
Why do you think so many people have allergies these days? Like, it's. It's crazy. To foods.
A
Yeah, to foods.
B
Well, to nature, too, but definitely both.
A
Well, so people cannot utilize the cooked proteins, the cooked nutrients. And you could take the vaccines. It gives you mutations or whatever damages the body. You know, some people can digest cooked food fairly well without any issues. Some people cannot, like, digest cooked food at all. They have horrible issues, and that's why they have to do the diet. They cheat. They feel horrible. Some people can cheat and feel fine because they can digest it fine. But the allergies, the more vaccines you have, the more allergies you're gonna have. And so, like, when it comes to pollution and such, well, if you have thin mucus, you're gonna have allergies because your. Your lungs are gonna get irritated, your sinuses. So you have to have the raw milk and raw eggs, the raw cream to build the mucus. Sojinus says it fixes asthma every time you having. If you're having the milkshakes, the milk, cream, honey, and egg.
B
Damn.
A
That builds the mucus. And he says it works very well. And you have breathing issues. Drink a milkshake, few hours later, you're breathing better.
B
Wow.
A
Yeah.
B
Have you ever had allergies to anything?
A
I took Zyrtec for allergies for, like, eight years when I was a kid.
B
Jeez.
A
And when I started the diet, I forgot that I ever had allergies.
B
Holy crap. Yeah. That's the one with the orange cup. I know which one you're talking about. I. When I moved out here from Jersey, I started getting allergies. I was like, I never had this. It's weird. Yeah, right?
A
Well, in Vegas, like, there's a smell everywhere here.
B
Yeah.
A
I smell.
B
Every casino has their own scent.
A
Like this morning I woke up and I felt like I smelled like fire burning. But I didn't think it was fire. I thought it was like some sort of pollution. Like a lot of weird smells here I don't like.
B
Yeah, a lot of chem drills here. And it doesn't rain too, so that's part of the problem. It's not cleaning out. So it didn't rain for 200 days last year.
A
Wow.
B
Yeah. It's not straight. Yeah.
A
Wow.
B
200 days straight.
A
Yeah.
B
We in the desert, man.
A
Yeah.
B
What's next for you, man? What do you got coming on this year?
A
I'm going to be going to the Amish soon in Pennsylvania. Going to make some new deals with them so that I can help get the fridge out to people.
B
Nice.
A
I'm going to help them to set up new memberships. And I have some things in plan for the business. I'd like to do some sort of maybe like affiliate marketing with the Amish to where any content creator can market for the Amish, get a cut of the profit.
B
That'd be cool.
A
That's what I like to set up.
B
Every time I find an Amish plug, they get raided or the site goes down.
A
Yeah. So what I'm gonna be doing is helping them protect themselves. Amos Miller made some issues and I'm going to a conference soon about the law. They're like. They talk about like the secrets of the law, like the. The birth certificate stuff and getting a new passport and all that. And I'm gonna ask some questions about the private memberships and stuff such.
B
Yeah.
A
And just have a report to give to the Amish so they can better protect themselves.
B
Help them get raw milk legalized in every state. Because I don't think it's legal in Nevada yet. I think in Cali it is. Right?
A
Yeah. You need to use the. The report, the petition. The report. Petition in favor of raw milk. Ajanus used it to get raw milk legalized in California.
B
Nice.
A
And so the head of the health department, la, they got fired as a result of this. Ajana says, if I remember correctly, there's this one girl who drowned. And that was the case they used to prove raw milk was dangerous because she had E. Coli in her stomach and her family drank raw milk. And so she didn't even drink raw milk in the family. And that was the case that got it blamed. That's where they got fired. So all the evidence for raw milk microbes being dangerous, it's through association, being linked to, but no direct evidence. It's all skewed science. And if you go to the pin post, my profile, there's this post, excuse me, it talks about 90% of science studies are like misleading and the detail is in there.
B
Yeah. Well, what's interesting to me is our great ancestors drank raw milk.
A
Yeah. And then at some point, what he did until recently.
B
Right when I wonder when that happened. Must have been like our grandparents around there.
A
I don't know exactly.
B
It's my grandparents drank raw milk.
A
It's like when the Rockefellers here.
B
Yeah. That's when we start getting ourselves in trouble.
A
Yeah.
B
Ways to expedite detox. What is a cheese train?
A
Okay, so agents saw that when people ate certain dried foods, they'd have a lot of toxins in their poop. But every dried food caused issues except for the cheese. And so he would give people different amounts of cheese like every 15 minutes, 30, 45 or an hour. And the more often they had the cheese cubes, the faster their irises would clean up. So when they had the basically a quarter pound of cheese throughout the day, they would get like three to seven times faster progress. And so your digestion works in layers. And so after your body digests the food, it starts dumping toxins and it will dump into the food and damage the nutrients. Unless you have a cheese cube before that meal, it'll protect that meal. So optionist has a half teaspoon of cheese before every meal, 10 minutes before.
B
And raw cheese, right?
A
Yeah, raw cheese, no salt. And if it's pasteurized or salted, it doesn't work. So cheese, wait 10 minutes and eat your meal. And then the rest of the day, you're basically having a cheese cube. Wait 10 minutes and take a few sips of a drink, wait 10 minutes, have another cheese cube, repeat. So you're having three cheese cubes an hour and followed by the sips all day long.
B
You have to have. You also have oysters as a way to expedite detox. But those are east coast oysters, right?
A
East coast, yeah. And so he found that this. Well, there's this one lady in London who had tons of heavy metals in the body, and he told her to eat three oysters with every meat meal. And her heavy metal detox increased by six times. So it was three times. She got three years of progress in one via her irises. Yeah. So if you have three oysters with every meat meal, you triple your detox, basically, according to Odinous of theology. Yeah.
B
And last one is sport formulas.
A
Sport formulas. So it helps neutralize, break down toxicity and hydrate the body. And it's a combination of lemon, lime, coconut cream, dairy cream, honey, and egg. That's the base. And then there's a combination of. You pick your own fruit. You can do coconut, not coconut, Cucumber, tomato, or any fruit with raw milk, some water. You blend that. That's the sport formula. It's really good for detox and hydration. And it's. It's an important recipe that he came up with at the end of his career, which really accelerated the progress.
B
Yeah. You've mentioned salt a few times. Do you eat any type of salt?
A
No salt at all?
B
None at all? Sea salt, Celtic salt?
A
No salt at all. Agents considers all of it to be harmful, really. And again, I. I focus on what's practical. So I don't have all the science memorized. I just care, like, about producing results. If you want to do it, I'll teach you. I'm not really about trying to convince you.
B
Yeah.
A
And so, like, once I started the diet, I saw that it worked. I didn't care to know why. I just wanted to know how. And I'm gonna start posting more science soon, and I have a salt post on my profile that explains everything AJ said about the salt.
B
How do you deal with the. The haters on social media?
A
These haters, it's like. It's almost like they're not even real people. Like, I. I can hardly even imagine that. That's like, a real person saying that. So, like, it just feels like they're bots. Like, I know they're real people, but it's just like, how can someone be so ignorant to, like, I even think, like, you think, like, the next time I eat raw meat, I'm gonna get sick when I've been doing it for six years. It just makes no sense.
B
Is that the most common comment you get?
A
Yeah. Oh, he's gonna die next week for sure.
B
That's crazy.
A
Yeah.
B
Gavin said water's a scam. Did you see that clip?
A
Yeah. So, like I mentioned earlier, water can. It can actually dehydrate you because it has no nutrients to be absorbed into the cells with. So if your body tried to absorb all the water, it dilute everything. So it can only absorb a small amount of it. And so if you have raw food, it's bound. It has the nutrients naturally in it. So if you have the water, it can actually flush out your minerals, dilute your digestive juices, and dehydrate you. So if you're on this diet for a while, or even just a week having raw foods. You drink water, you get thirsty, you have the raw milk. It's solved right away.
B
Anything else you want to close off with? Where can people find you?
A
Instagram Scottahall junior And releasing my book soon. That will cover everything, you know, to do the diet properly. And decided to really get people on the diet.
B
I love it, man.
A
Yeah.
B
Thanks for educating everyone. Thanks for coming on. Thank you. Check them out, guys. We'll link everything below. See you next time.
Digital Social Hour Episode Summary
Title: Revolutionary Raw Living: Secrets to Optimal Wellness
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Scott Hall Jr.
Release Date: April 16, 2025
Introduction
In this compelling episode of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly welcomes Scott Hall Jr., a prominent advocate of the raw animal-based diet, to delve into the intricacies of his unique lifestyle. The conversation navigates through various aspects of raw living, detoxification, dietary practices, and holistic health, offering listeners an unfiltered glimpse into Scott's unconventional approach to wellness.
1. Understanding the Raw Animal-Based Diet (“Janus”) vs. Primal Diet
Scott begins by clarifying the distinction between the raw animal-based diet, which he refers to as “Janus,” and the primal diet. While both emphasize meat consumption, Janus strictly focuses on raw animal products without adhering to the broader principles of primal living.
Scott Hall Jr. [00:38]:
“There’s a difference between primal and raw animal-based. With primal, there are a lot of principles we have to follow... If you’re just eating raw meat, it doesn’t mean you’re primal. It just means you’re raw animal-based.”
He emphasizes that many confuse the two, noting that adherence to specific primal protocols is essential to qualify as following a primal diet.
2. The Controversial Stance on Fasting
A significant portion of the discussion centers around fasting. Scott argues against fasting, asserting that it can be more harmful than beneficial by triggering a survival emergency response in the body.
Scott Hall Jr. [01:51]:
“People talk about some benefits with fasting, but it’s often more harmful than helpful because it deteriorates your body and it can make you high because it causes a survival emergency reaction.”
He explains that fasting can impede the detoxification process by depleting necessary nutrients, potentially exacerbating health issues.
3. The Importance of Body Fat in Detoxification
Scott sheds light on the role of body fat in detoxifying the body. He posits that having excess fat allows the body to store toxins more effectively, reducing the severity of detox symptoms.
Scott Hall Jr. [02:40]:
“When you have fat in the body, the body will prioritize storing toxins inside of the fat. So if you get fat in the primal diet, whenever you go through a detox, you have less pain.”
This perspective underscores the necessity of maintaining a higher body fat percentage to facilitate smoother detoxification processes.
4. Navigating Food Safety: Raw vs. Cooked Foods
Scott shares his experiences with food safety, highlighting instances where improperly handled raw foods led to illness. He advocates for raw meats from trusted sources, emphasizing the dangers of chemically processed or packaged meats.
Scott Hall Jr. [05:00]:
“Everybody scares salmon with chicken. So I suspect that there are antibacterial substances in the packaging.”
He recounts his encounters with food poisoning resulting from contaminated packaging and stresses the importance of sourcing uncontaminated raw meats to minimize health risks.
5. Managing Sickness and Detox Naturally
The conversation delves into the nature of sickness as a detoxification process. Scott explains that sickness signifies the body’s effort to eliminate toxins rather than an illness to be combatted.
Scott Hall Jr. [32:40]:
“Sickness is detox. Yeah. So if you vomit, send it to a lab, you’re going to find toxins in it.”
He encourages embracing natural detox symptoms and refraining from interventions like ice baths or teas that might disrupt the body’s detoxification efforts.
6. Iridology: Assessing Health Through the Eyes
Scott introduces the concept of iridology, a technique that assesses health by examining the iris of the eye. He explains how different sections of the iris correspond to various organs and how colors indicate toxin storage.
Scott Hall Jr. [32:51]:
“So the inner part of the eye represents the inner part of the body... you can see variations in color to see what toxin is stored where.”
He advocates for iridology over traditional blood work, arguing that it provides a more comprehensive view of internal toxin levels and overall health.
7. Skepticism Towards the Immune System and Germ Theory
Challenging conventional medical beliefs, Scott expresses skepticism about the immune system's role and germ theory. He views germs as agents that assist in detoxifying the body rather than as threats to be eradicated.
Scott Hall Jr. [31:43]:
“The immune system is basically a misunderstanding... your immune system fails, then you get sick because the bacteria took over or whatever.”
This radical perspective redefines the relationship between the body and microorganisms, positioning microbes as essential detoxifiers.
8. Detoxification Practices: Cheese Cubes and Oysters
Scott shares innovative detoxification methods, such as consuming raw cheese cubes and east coast oysters. These practices are purported to accelerate toxin elimination and enhance overall health.
Scott Hall Jr. [49:42]:
“He would give people different amounts of cheese like every 15 minutes, 30, 45 or an hour... the more cheese cubes, the faster their irises would clean up.”
Similarly, oysters from specific regions are recommended to boost detox rates significantly.
9. Future Plans and Community Building
Towards the end of the episode, Scott outlines his vision for expanding the raw animal-based community. He aims to establish facilities that provide affordable raw foods, support groups, and off-grid communities to foster a new culture aligned with his dietary principles.
Scott Hall Jr. [38:01]:
“There’s like three stages of the dream... developing studios in every major city... farms... off-grid communities.”
His plans include collaborating with the Amish to ensure the quality and accessibility of raw animal products.
10. Conclusion
The episode concludes with Scott emphasizing the transformative potential of the raw animal-based diet. He encourages listeners to experiment with raw foods, adopt proper detox practices, and consider the broader implications of their dietary choices on overall well-being.
Scott Hall Jr. [22:32]:
“Eventually, you don’t crave cooked food, and it no longer comforts you because you can make the raw food really nice, and it can satisfy you more than cooked because you’re not going to be deficient anymore.”
Sean Kelly wraps up the conversation by thanking Scott for his insights and encouraging listeners to explore the raw living lifestyle further.
Notable Quotes with Timestamps
On Fasting:
“People talk about some benefits with fasting, but it’s often more harmful than helpful because it deteriorates your body...” [01:51]
On Body Fat and Detox:
“When you have fat in the body, the body will prioritize storing toxins inside of the fat...” [02:40]
On Iridology:
“So the inner part of the eye represents the inner part of the body... you can see variations in color to see what toxin is stored where.” [32:51]
On Germ Theory:
“The immune system is basically a misunderstanding... germs reverse disease.” [31:43]
On Detox Practices:
“He would give people different amounts of cheese like every 15 minutes... the more cheese cubes, the faster their irises would clean up.” [49:42]
Key Takeaways
Raw Animal-Based Diet (Janus): Focuses exclusively on raw animal products, differing from the broader primal diet by eschewing additional dietary principles.
Detoxification: Emphasizes the body’s natural detox processes, advocating for support through body fat and specific dietary practices rather than restrictive measures like fasting.
Food Safety: Stresses the importance of sourcing uncontaminated raw meats and avoiding processed or chemically treated products to prevent illness.
Holistic Health Perspectives: Challenges traditional medical concepts such as the immune system and germ theory, proposing alternative views on how the body manages toxins and maintains health.
Community and Future Vision: Plans to build supportive communities and infrastructure to make the raw animal-based lifestyle more accessible and sustainable for a broader audience.
This episode of Digital Social Hour offers a thought-provoking exploration of unconventional wellness practices. Scott Hall Jr.'s insights challenge mainstream health paradigms, inviting listeners to reconsider their dietary choices and their impact on overall well-being. Whether one agrees with his perspectives or not, the discussion provides valuable perspectives on the diverse approaches to achieving optimal health.