Robert Kiltz: The Fertility Crisis EXPLAINED. Why Today’s Diet Is Making Us Infertile | DSH #1655

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Episode: Robert Kiltz: The Fertility Crisis EXPLAINED. Why Today’s Diet Is Making Us Infertile | DSH #1655

Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Dr. Robert Kiltz
Date: December 4, 2025

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Overview

In this episode, Sean Kelly welcomes Dr. Robert Kiltz, a renowned fertility specialist and leading advocate of the carnivore diet, to discuss today’s alarming fertility crisis. Dr. Kiltz dives deep into the reasons behind rising infertility rates, the role of diet and environmental factors, the controversy around plant-based nutrition, and the state and future of reproductive technologies such as IVF. Delivering bold, sometimes unconventional insights, Dr. Kiltz challenges mainstream health paradigms and shares personal and clinical experiences that reframe the conversation around fertility, diet, and human health.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Fertility Crisis: Causes and Trends

• Growing Infertility: Dr. Kiltz emphasizes that infertility, miscarriage, and delayed childbearing are more prevalent than ever ([00:53]).
  • "More and more people are suffering from infertility, miscarriage, the postponing, the childbearing. But I think there's a lot more going on that's causing the problem." – Dr. Kiltz [00:53]
• Notably, unexplained ("idiopathic") infertility is common, with patients trying unsuccessfully for years ([01:58]).

2. The Impact of Modern Lifestyles

• Cycle Issues: Dr. Kiltz details how common conditions like polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) and endometriosis—linked to inflammatory and metabolic disorders—are growing and causing irregular cycles or even years without periods ([03:41]).
• Dietary Shift: Modern diets high in carbohydrates and low in fat, coupled with frequent eating (three to six meals daily), are framed as unnatural and harmful to fertility ([03:41], [07:30]).
  • "We're eating three to six meals a day, which is not natural to our species." – Dr. Kiltz [03:41]

3. Environmental Toxins

• Role of Plastics and Pollutants: Exposure to plastics, pesticides, heavy metals, and home & beauty products adversely affect reproductive health ([04:21]).
• Food Supply Chain: Even supposedly “clean” foods may harbor microplastics or toxins due to globalized supply chains ([05:43]).
• Plant Defense Mechanisms: Dr. Kiltz asserts that plants produce natural pesticides to deter consumption, which can negatively impact human health ([06:29]).

4. Diet, Inflammation, and Disease

• Plant-Based Diet Critique: Dr. Kiltz links plant-based (especially vegan) diets to increased immunologic and metabolic inflammation, higher rates of diabetes, and impaired fertility ([06:34]–[07:25]).
  • "I believe that the plant-based diet is causing a lot of damage to the gut and to every cell of our body. And it shows up in reproductive dysfunction." – Dr. Kiltz [06:34]
• Fasting and Ketosis: He argues that increasing dietary fat, reducing meal frequency (ideally to one meal a day), and fasting can counter-act inflammation and improve health—even for vegans and vegetarians ([07:30]–[08:33]).
  • Dr. Kiltz describes his own routine: “I do a two to three day fast every month. I do a five to seven day fast quarterly. And I typically eat only one meal a day at night.” ([11:49])

5. The Carnivore Diet and Personal Experience

• Long-term Carnivore: Dr. Kiltz shares 15 years on a carnivore diet, maintaining his high school weight and robust health nearing age 70; he does light exercise only ([12:15]–[12:38]).
• Argues that ancient humans ate primarily carnivore diets, with plants as seasonal supplements ([12:53], [14:03]).
• Medical Community & Paradigm: Despite opposition from mainstream health authorities, Kiltz insists that red meat is a superior, sustainable dietary foundation ([14:03]–[14:52]).

6. Changing Minds & Evidence from Practice

• Mindfulness and Patient Experience: Transitioning his practice to incorporate meditation and mindfulness led to improved fertility; however, patient success on paleo and carnivore diets prompted deeper investigation into diet as root cause ([15:51]–[16:23]).
• Reports “tremendous improvement” in reproductive and overall health among patients who switch from plant-based to meat-based diets ([06:34]).

7. Processed Food, Cooking, and Raw Diets

• Cooking Alters Nutrition: Claims that cooking meat (especially well-done) denatures its nutrients and destroys valuable fats ([19:10]).
• Celebrates animal fats (from butter to marbled beef) and discourages plant-based oils, labeling them as "industrial products" ([19:40]).
• Points to historic studies (e.g., Pottenger’s Cats) suggesting raw meat and fat boost health over cooked alternatives ([18:36]–[19:10]).

8. Plants as Active Agents

• Plants' “Intelligence”: Dr. Kiltz postulates plants are “smarter than you and I” and have evolved sophisticated defense against consumption, including harmful phytochemicals ([20:35]–[20:57]).
• Cautions that the same plants produce potent drugs: “Where does heroin, cocaine, marijuana, nicotine and caffeine come from? Plants.” ([22:45])

9. Pharmaceutical Approach vs Environmental Change

• Modern Technology: Acknowledges advances like CRISPR gene editing and robotic IVF, but warns these are costly and out of reach for many ([25:02]–[27:45]).
• Advocates for focusing first on affordable, lifestyle-based solutions before relying on high-tech medicine ([25:22]).

10. IVF and Reproductive Medicine Today

• Describes CNY Fertility’s approach: affordability ($5,000/cycle vs $15–30,000 elsewhere), use of telemedicine, and personalized care ([28:42]–[30:11]).
• Notes that IVF success rates remain around 30–40% per cycle ([29:16]).

11. Sustainability, Regenerative Farming, and Food Quality

• Champions regenerative agriculture and knowing the source and fate of your food ([31:13]–[32:50]).
• Endorses animal fats as the "healthiest thing we can, we can eat" ([34:05]).

12. Fat, Sugar, and the Science of Obesity

• Dismantles the narrative that obesity is the cause of disease; instead, identifies plant-derived sugars and a focus on leanness as harmful, citing evolutionary rationale ([41:23]–[42:35]).
  • "Is obesity the cause of disease?... No way...Bears gain a thousand pounds and hibernate and gestate. They lose no muscle mass, no bone mass. But they grow one to four baby bears. They've lost only one thing, fat." – Dr. Kiltz [41:40]
• Describes how misinformation and economic incentives have shaped public health messaging ([44:56]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Modern Dietary Paradigms:
  • "We're addicted to the plants because plants actually control you. You do all the work for them..." – Dr. Kiltz [00:00, repeated at 23:44]
• On Unexplained Infertility:
  • "We don't know, it's called unspecified or idiopathic infertility. And I always say that means we're idiots. We're not digging deep listening and learning what might be the factors causing that." – Dr. Kiltz [01:58]
• On Healthy Eating and Simplicity:
  • “When you make the food at home, it's healthier than ever.” – Dr. Kiltz [18:22]
• On Fasting and Evolution:
  • “I'm a big fasting fan. I think fasting is historically our evolutionary set point because … it took days to find food.” – Dr. Kiltz [08:35]
• On Obesity:
  • "Is obesity the cause of disease?... No way." – Dr. Kiltz [41:40]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• The Fertility Crisis Explained: [00:53]–[02:31]
• Diet, Ovulation, and PCOS: [03:41]–[04:17]
• Environmental Toxins: [04:21]–[06:29]
• Plant-Based Diet Critique: [06:34]–[07:30]
• Fats, Fasting, and Carnivore: [07:30]–[11:49]
• Carnivore as Lifestyle: [12:10]–[14:03]
• Medical Paradigms and Change: [14:03]–[16:23]
• Cooked vs. Raw Diets: [18:36]–[19:10]
• Plant Defense & Phytochemicals: [20:35]–[22:45]
• Pharmaceuticals & Tech in Reproduction: [25:02]–[27:45]
• IVF and Access: [28:42]–[30:11]
• Regenerative Farming and Fat Emphasis: [31:13]–[34:47]
• Dismantling Obesity Narrative: [41:23]–[42:35]
• Medical Community and Health Messaging: [44:56]–[45:06]

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Summary of Tone & Takeaways

• Dr. Kiltz’s tone is forthright, deeply knowledgeable, sometimes provocative—unapologetically challenging standard advice about “healthy” diets and the causes for infertility.
• He remains open about his own dietary journey, clinical uncertainties, and the limitations of both traditional and modern medicine.
• Sean Kelly maintains a curious, occasionally astonished demeanor, helping to clarify complex ideas for listeners.

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Where to Find Dr. Kiltz

• Website: drkilts.com
• Instagram: @dr.kilts
• Clinic: CNY Fertility Centers

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This summary covers all the main topics, provides direct insights and quotes, and highlights memorable moments—useful for anyone seeking an in-depth guide to the episode’s rich content.

Transcript

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

If you didn't take your caffeine or your energy drinks, would you be as energetic as you are to be able to go to work and perform as well as you're doing? Maybe not. And so, and I've been off coffee for two years, no energy drinks, and I've never felt better. We're addicted to the plants because plants actually control you. You do all the work for them, you change their DNA, you store their seeds, you make them resistant to the bugs, and you store them in places where when the Holocaust or the global event happen, you and I aren't here. Unless the one that blows up the whole earth, they will continue to thrive and survive.

[Sean]

Yeah.

All right, guys.

[Podcast Host]

Dr. Robert kilts here, fertility specialist.

[Sean]

Thanks for joining us today.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

John, it's a pleasure. Thanks for the invitation.

[Sean]

It's a pressing issue right now, so I think it's important to get this message across. The numbers are looking scary these days, right.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

More and more people are suffering from infertility, miscarriage, the postponing, the childbearing. But I think there's a lot more going on that's causing the problem.

[Sean]

I feel like this might be the highest percentage wise in history of infertility issues going on right now.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Yeah, it's kind of crazy thing. We see the population of the world growing, but in many pockets of the world we're seeing a decline in the birth rate. Women are waiting longer. Plus I think there's a lot of immunologic inflammatory disorders that are taking place. Men are suffering from low libido, low sperm counts, motility morphology, testosterone levels are dropping. And then on the women's side is polycystic ovarian syndrome, endometriosis, which are all inflammatory conditions which affect the hormonal environment and which cause people to not be able to get pregnant or increases miscarriages, all sorts of problems related to those.

[Sean]

Wow. So a lot of different issues at the same time.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Absolutely.

[Sean]

That's concerning. Yeah. I've seen Elon talk about the depopulation stuff. And is the US in that category at the moment?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Yeah, the US is definitely in that category. We obviously have a lot of immigration, but when it comes to most young people, they're not reproducing. The majority of people I see are in their 30s and 40s and most of them have had no children and they've been trying for several years. And the main cause is, we don't know, it's called unspecified or idiopathic infertility. And I always say that means we're idiots. We're not digging deep listening and learning what might be the factors causing that.

[Sean]

Is it true women can only get pregnant certain days out of the month?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Well, in general, yes. A woman's menstrual cycle between beginning the menstrual period and ovulation and then their next period is 28 days. Ovulation generally happens about day 14 and so their peak fertile period is between day 12 and 14, essentially.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

But depends how long the sperm may last in the, in the uterine tubal environment, which may be longer than that. But you know, it's a big important time frame. But people are traveling or they're at work all the time. But there's a lot of problems with women not ovulating regularly. They might even know where they're at in their cycle. A lot of anovulation we call it. They're not ovulating regularly or they have polycystic ovarian syndrome, which affects many women, which I think is related to some metabolism metabolic disorder, which means they, they might not have a period for a year, two or three in many cases.

[Sean]

Holy crap. I've never heard that long because I've heard of some missing like a month, but years.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Typically women with polycystic ovarian syndrome may have a menstrual period 30 to 40 days apart. That's pretty common. Some women might have it three times a year, but there are some cases where they don't get them at all, except unless they take a hormone pill to stimulate that. But that's becoming more and more common and I think it's related to our dietary environment. We're eating too many carbohydrates, a low fat diet, believe it or not, and we're eating three to six meals a day, which is not natural to our species.

[Sean]

It's a lot. Right. And then there's the growing concern with plastics. Do you think that's affecting fertility?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Well, I think the environmental plastics and the pesticides and the heavy metals and the damage from smog in the air, from industrial pollution, cars and things like that, those are all factors. But then let's add in our home environment, the off gassing of the products that we use in our homes or the makeups or other beauty products that we all use, those are factors that get in through what we breathe, drink and eat, but also through the skin. And those can have adverse effects on sperm quality, quantity, egg quality and other hormone environments. But it can also cause birth defects. So in utero and or before.

Fertilization of an egg, where the egg or the Sperm in the ovary or the testicles affected by those pollutants which damage the the egg or the sperm which may then cause a defect which may show up in future generations.

[Sean]

Wow. The air pollution is super toxic.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

I was just down in Mexico City. I'm from Los Angeles and I grew up in the smog. And so there's a lot out there, but I suspect a lot of it is what we can't see.

[Sean]

Well, there's studies on babies born in cities versus like rural areas.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Well, well, definitely that, that in the cities versus rural areas. But what's interesting is in our today's environment, so much of the toxins I believe comes from the food we eat. And most of what we eat is shipped around the country and around the world. So you don't even know what is affected in either the animal products which may have microplastics or mercury or other toxins that affect things. And then the plants themselves, which contain 99% of the pesticides. Because plants don't want to be eaten. They make these pesticides to control and kill the microbes or the macrobes which we are herbivores, which may damage your reproductive system.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Sean]

Have you seen more infertility issues on vegans and vegetarians compared to carnivore?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

I think vegans and vegetarians tend to have more immunologic disorders which is related to inflammation. And if you think about it, sugar, diabetes, prediabetes, metabolic syndrome is on the rise. The number of diabetics, type 1 and type 2 are on the rise. Cancers and many other arthritis, psoriasis diseases are on the rise and those are all inflammatory conditions. I believe that the plant based diet is causing a lot of damage to the gut and to every cell of our body. And it shows up in reproductive dysfunction, I believe. And I've seen many women and men that have converted from a plan based diet to a meat based diet and see tremendous improvement and normal reproduction comes back and many, many diseases also seem to go away.

[Sean]

Wow, that's very concerning for people. There's a lot of vegans and vegetarians trying to have kids, you know.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Well, it's on the rise and, and you can, you can actually make some changes that will help a vegan vegetarian in the keto space where you help them reduce their inflammation by increasing their ketones, which is basically increasing fats. The problem with the vegan, they don't eat any animal products. And so all the oils that they use from plants I think contain phytochemicals and they're all Industrial produced. But if you look at butter, cream cheese and eggs in the vegetarian world, you can get lots of healthy fats that I think can benefit a vegetarian better than a vegan. Plus, we're, again, we're eating three to six times a day. Well, we're all getting overweight. What if you only ate one meal a day? Because really that's all your body requires, most likely. And, and by changing simple habits like adding fat, eating once a day will tremendously help so many people, even in the vegan vegetarian world.

[Sean]

Yeah. What about fasting? Zero a day?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Yeah. I'm a big fasting fan. I think fasting is historically our, our evolutionary set point because if you and I had to go out hunting today for food, it would be hard if there's no farms, no, no ranches and no stores and things like that. So I think it took days to find food. We wanted to hunt. You likely ate it raw in our, in our initial evolution. And, and so I think fasting naturally empties the gut. As long as the gut has food in it. What you ate is going into your liver or your lymphatics. So the sugars and the proteins go from your gut to the liver. Insulin goes in to the liver to make fat. The problem is, from the day you're born to the day you die, your stomach and your intestines are always full of food. So when you think you're fasting, you're not. You're still digesting. But when you eat one meal a day or you extend the fast, now your gut is empty, now autophagy sets in even greater. The toxins are removed. And the other thing that's happening within our gut is fermentation. So fermentation historically makes wine and beer, but it's happening inside our intestines. And there's something called autologous.

Alcoholism. So you become, you become drunk, basically to eating foods that then ferment from the bugs inside you. And it makes alcohol.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

And people have actually been, been found drunk, yet they didn't drink alcohol white from fasting? Absolutely no. So again, back to the. What's in the gut? The fermentation. I mentioned the fermentation there. So by emptying the gut, you actually stop the fermentation. You release, you resolve the toxins that are made via fermentation. That also adds to your health and wellness. So fermentation makes alcohol, aldehydes, methane, heat and gas, which are all deadly and dangerous to us. And think about the fermentation, the cold.

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[Dr. Robert Kilts]

It's right where your reproductive organ set. And there's so much other damage and disease going on because of that. So for those that are suffering, just fasting may help resolve that. Now I do a two to three day fast every day. I'm sorry, every. Every month. I do a five to seven day fast quarterly. And I typically eat only one meal a day at night.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Which I recommend everyone.

[Sean]

And you're able to maintain weight on that protocol?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Let's see, I'm 69 in two days. I've been about my high school weight now for a long time on Carnivore.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

I don't do any excessive exercise. I do about 30 to 60 minutes of light walking, light weights and I feel great. My muscle tone is great. My strength is great. My endurance is great. I've never felt better.

[Sean]

That's impressive. Carnivore diet for 15 years now, right?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Yep. Nearly 15 years. Next year technically is 15 years. When I hit 70, it's 15 years.

[Sean]

That's the longest I've heard someone on the carnivore.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Well, there are. Some of my friends have done it longer. There are people out there for sure that is on a longer but few.

[Sean]

And far between because some people theorize that shouldn't be a long term diet. Have you heard that?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

I've heard it. I mean, you know, staying away from drugs and alcohol and tobacco is hard. Right. And so we, we suffer a lot in plants. In our ancient evolution plants when they were seasonally available in small amounts we likely ate them, but it wasn't our mainstay of food. Today the plants are everywhere. They're in bags and boxes and they're easy to, to get. And so our, our mindset is eat, eat, eat because our brain says get fat, because there's no food next week, next month, because you're going into a famine or winter time where you need to hibernate, gestate or migrate. And those are naturally part of our, our brain. And so we likely, although we're telling a story, we don't know what happened fifty thousand, a hundred thousand years ago. We're going by the evidence that we found in the archaeological findings. But I believe that carnivore diet is one of the most sustainable things you can do. But it takes a community, it takes a commitment to your health and wellness. Yeah, I've never felt better in my life.

[Sean]

That's awesome. One of your most viewed YouTube videos is called is Broccoli Unhealthy? Isn't that crazy?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Yeah, well, you know, so we, and I'm a doctor and I went into medicine to help people. I was pretty much a Mediterranean eater, lots of fruits and vegetables, olive oil and lean meat. And I suffered for years. And as a doctor, I didn't know my suffering was from my diet. And I would always kind of say, your diet doesn't matter. Vegan vegetarians were the best diets. But if you're Mediterranean, you're good shape and red meat is deadly dangerous. The American College of OB gyn, my, my premier organization that looks over all of us, recommends a plant based diet for pregnant lactating women. And red wine. Is red wine good for us?

[Sean]

I've heard of glasses, but I don't know what quantity.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Would you, would you give a glass of wine to a child every day?

[Sean]

No.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

No. So it is a neurotoxin. The challenge is we don't know how much is going to affect us and what day you might over drink and you might drive a car and you might wish you didn't. So I mean, we in medicine are likely affected by the world we live in. Culturally, I'm Italian. I grew up in a culture which loved to drink and eat. And so that's our norm. And, and so changing these things is really hard to do. So the commitment in my life is I've seen the changes to my patients, to myself. It was actually my patients who taught me about carnivore lifestyle. So about 20 plus years ago I was teaching meditation, prayer, yoga, acupuncture, because being infertile is very emotionally hard. And most men and women don't show up to the fertility doctor because they just don't want to.

[Sean]

Right.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Or they don't know about it. But many people actually quit after failing one or two IVF cycles, which are very expensive financially, physically and emotionally. And lots of depression, lots of, of, of relationship breakups over all this. So I thought, wow, let's bring some mindfulness to, to the practice. And people were getting improvement on that, mostly because I think they were continuing, they could be persistent. But.

Some people suddenly getting pregnant on the Paleo diet, which I had never heard of, and I'm like, okay, if you're getting pregnant on a diet that I don't know about, it's time that I look into this. And that's what I began to dig into. Paleo diet. I personally did it myself and I found, wow, my migraines are less, my arthritis is less. And then as I was digging deep into the science of Paleo diet, which is a high fat, lower carbohydrate, lower plant based diet. Little like the Atkins diet if you look at Paleolithic era, which was hunting and gathering. And then, and then I found the science of keto which measure your ketones. And fasting was part of that. Again, high fat. And then I saw some dude doing carnivore. He was ripped, he didn't exercise and he only ate meat. I said, that's for me because I don't want to make this hard, I want to keep it easy. And I was hurting from all the exercise. And I used to do triathlons. I used to run 10 miles three days a week. And it really, I looked great, but I was suffering. You were probably inflammation, huge inflammation. Arthritis, psoriasis, migraines, bowel bleeding, kidney stones, gone, depression, anxiety, gone. My fear and worry of speaking out in the world, gone. And that was the time to move forward. And I've been practicing. I know, do I ever eat a french fry, ice cream, cookie cake or maybe a martini, very rare. And I would say that some people could tolerate those things. Some I do okay with them. I'm a minimizer. I'm not worried about addictions or moderation personally, but some people are. And so they have to be very careful on these diets.

[Sean]

Yeah, well, they're making some innovative ice creams these days.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Well, there's a kilts ice Cream on YouTube. It's cream, eggs, a little bit of cane sugar, honey or little berries if you want, and some vanilla. You can not use those if you want you could try the, some stevia if you want, but it's up to you. See, when you make the food at home, it's healthier than ever.

[Sean]

Oh, 100%.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Yeah.

[Sean]

That's why eating out is tough.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

It is really tough. And, and I always make sure I can find a steakhouse. And I always want a good steak. I want prime and I like thick cut. I like lots of marbling and I like black and blue.

[Sean]

Black and blue. So you don't even cook it barely.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

It's really. Show me the. Show the fire and pull it away. I do a lot of raw meat, also a lot of aged meat. I think that we evolved on raw meat. And if you look at Pottinger's cats, it's a book by Pottinger where he studied cats. He fed them either raw meat or cooked meat, raw milk or pasteurized milk. And he found that those on the raw side were healthier and their future generations of reproductive history was better.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Those on the cooked meat and pasteurized milk were sicker and their future generations were sicker. So you have to realize that if you cook something, you burn it, you denature the DNA, you change the molecular structure of every cellular form in it. So, in fact, we may not be getting the proper diet on a well cooked meat. Plus, when you cook the meat, what happens to the fat?

[Sean]

You cook it out, it melts away.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

So the actual priority in keto, paleo and carnivore is actually fat. Animal fat oils are industrial products. They're not natural. There's no way you and I went hunting and came home with a, a jar of, of oil. It's a, it's a civilized industrial product of crushing seeds and nuts and fruits. And if you think of olive oil, it's actually the whole fruit and the seed that's crushed. So when people think, well, it's just a fruit oil. No, it's a seed oil and I don't recommend it because it comes with the seed antigens and the chemicals. Because does a seed, does a, does a plant want its reproductive organ to be damaged? No, it does not. And plants have evolved millions of years before you and I, and so are plants, live organisms?

[Sean]

I think they are actually.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

They sense the environment.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Do they control the environment? They do. And so they're far smarter than you and I. I mean, do you really want to get in a rocket ship and go to Mars? No. Would a plant want to go on there? No, they're not going there. Human beings, I mean, we're massively Intelligent, but we're kind of dumb.

[Sean]

Yeah, I think emotions might do that to certain people.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Well, it's interesting. So what if.

A plant based diet damages your brain.

And it causes anxiety, depression, suicide, schizophrenia, psychosis. What if it causes Parkinson's and Ms. And als? What if our environment, because we breathe, drink and eat the plant and antigens of microbes. So bacteria and viruses, are they good for you?

[Sean]

No.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

The microbiome?

[Sean]

No.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

I mean, would you put bacteria, viruses in an open wound?

[Sean]

No.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Would you inject it in your bloodstream? Of course not. And so ultimately the plants and the microbes, they get into our body, they circulate everywhere, they damage every cell of our body through glycation. Glycation is the abnormal effects of foreign sugars onto every cell of your body. Now, sugars are critical in our body, but not for energy, for something called glycosylation, meaning that sugars are critical to add on to a protein, to create the proper function shape of that glycoprotein. People think sugar is for energy, but I'll bet it's not. But the plants and the microbes that get into our body cause a significant amount of disease at all ages, even in utero. And so we're not, we're, we're in modern medicine. We're like on a. Plants don't cause disease. But where does heroin, cocaine, marijuana, nicotine and caffeine come from?

[Sean]

Plants.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Plants. So now we all enjoy small amounts of them. But if I gave you 10 pots of coffee espresso right now in the next couple hours, would that be good for you?

[Sean]

No.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Could it kill you?

[Sean]

Could, actually.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

That's correct. And so, and the same thing with cigarettes and nicotine and marijuana and psilocybin and ayahuasca. These are not things that we should be putting in our body. We do, and thankfully most of us do fine. And maybe it makes us feel a little bit better. But if you didn't take your, your, your caffeine or your energy drinks, would you be as energetic as you are to be able to go to work and perform as well as you're doing? No, maybe not. And so, and I've been off coffee for two years, no energy drinks. And I've never felt better. And I love coffee. I would say, oh no, I have no adverse effects. I'm not sure. I feel like, wow, it's so different. But.

We'Re addicted to the plants. Because they want you to, because the plants actually control you. You do all the work for them, you change their DNA, you store Their seeds, you make them resistant to the bugs, and you store them in places where when the holocaust or the, the, the, the global event happens that you and I aren't here unless the one that blows up the whole earth, they will be. They will continue to thrive and survive.

[Sean]

Yeah. They've been here and they'll continue to be here.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

That's right. That's right.

[Sean]

Yeah. A lot of people are addicted to coffee, man.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

I would say I was addicted to coffee as a child. Wow. So I had headaches as a kid and I had bowel problems. I was adhd, ocd, dyslexia. In my teenage years, I hung out in a gang 18th street in Los Angeles, and I was kicked out of school. My father was in jail at one time. And I believe it's all secondary to the same problem. And, and thankfully, through the grace of God, I found a path to art and, and understanding the power of belief in God. And I became a doctor. But I think that these substances we consume are good and bad. Yeah.

[Sean]

What do you think about this gene editing stuff? Crispr? Have you seen that?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Well, I think the medications, the drugs, the dissections, the. The treatments that we've evolved within medicine are magical and amazing, and they become so expensive that the majority of people can't afford health care.

[Sean]

Right.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

And. And so CRISPR is a treatment likely for cancers and many immunologic disorders, maybe many genetic disorders that are going to be passed on. I think it sounds really wonderful, but what if we can change our environment, that we don't need these things because, again, the majority of people can't afford it. Our company had to completely revamp our healthcare system within our company because it was going to bankrupt us. It's going up millions of dollars a year. I had over 600 staff in my. And it was. It was terrible.

[Sean]

Holy crap.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

And people are getting sicker and sicker. So I think modern medicine is really fantastic. I'm an IVF fertility specialist. I still am a standard doctor. I use a lot of immunologic treatments. I use a lot of biologics. We also do a lot of acupuncture, meditation, massage and things like that. And we focus on nutrition and natural things. But I'm all for modern medicine. I was just down in Mexico City looking at conceivable life and looking at robotic IVF laboratory.

[Sean]

Wow. Are those the artificial wombs?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

It's not the artificial womb. What it is is that we will retrieve eggs out of women's ovaries. We will then take the sperm sample produced by the husband in a cup. And we will then take the egg, inject the sperm into the egg to create the embryo, culture it in a dish. And we have humans doing those things. They've done a great job for a long time and then taking the embryo, either freezing it or transferring the uterus.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

The robotic system takes, takes the, the fluid from the ovary and the fluid from the ejaculate. And the robot then will take it and will find the eggs, find the sperm, prepare the egg in the sperm to prepare the dishes. They'll add the sperm to the egg and all in a, in a robotic line over, over a short amount of time. That will significantly, I think, improve and automate the system in the laboratory. Because we human beings, we're not as good as the technology that's created in artificial intelligence. And, and, and the, the ladar, which is kind of really pretty amazing stuff that that's happening. So I think technology.

Everyone is not going to go carnivore anything happening. Yeah, and I'm not suggesting everyone do that. My Grandmother lived to 104. My parents 94. My grandmother smoked palm oils and drank Manhattans. I got good genes, but they did have some dementia, some Alzheimer's and other diseases that required a lot of health care. My father had heart disease. I had to have a bypass. And so I, I, I believe that if we can help people even fall into the keto paleo lifestyle, eat less frequently, you know, add the fat and reduce the amount of, of plant toxins and alcohol that they're consuming, I think will help a lot of people.

[Sean]

Absolutely.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Wow.

[Sean]

That's nuts. I know Elon does IVF with his kids, right?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

I don't know that well.

[Sean]

It came out on X. Yeah, Yeah.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

I, I always say I can't tell you about my patients. Not that I'm saying he was, but yeah, I, it's, it's more and more prevalent. We're seeing IVF.

Numbers rise. Interesting. In America, we're probably doing only about 20 to 25% of the need of IVF in America. And at CNY Fertility, I started it about 30 years ago. We've always been the more affordable option. We're under, under $5,000 for an IVF cycle. And you could even do that in medications. In many cases, most IVF cycles are costing anywhere between 15 and 30,000 or more.

[Sean]

That's a lot for families.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

And the average outcome is about 30 to 40% per cycle.

[Sean]

Oh, so it doesn't even guarantee.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Oh, there's no guarantee on those Numbers.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Right. And so that's the frustration and the problem. But I think that, that as we see people traveling easily, I mean to travel from anywhere in the world is, you know, so easy. And, and so we do a lot of telehealth, a virtual medicine. We help people in a consultation and give them advice, listen to a story and guide and direct them whether they want to look at a natural, a method of conception, surgical. Looking at endometriosis. And we talk a little about PCOS and endometriosis, which I think is a big, big thing. And then, and then whether you want to do IVF. But we work with OB GYNs around the country, we work with naturopaths around the country in order to help people find ways to, to bring a child into their family, their lives.

[Sean]

I love that. Yeah. Because women are on a timetable. Right.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

It's a, it's a big timetable. I mean we're, we're most fertile in our teens and early twenties. And so for obvious reasons most of us have postponed that one.

[Sean]

Right.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

But the, the pcos, polycystic ovarian syndrome, which I call plant caused ovarian sickness. So if you think about it, you know, it's a pre. Diabetic, diabetic, type 2 diabetic metabolic disorder. So many of us are eating a high plant based diet which all breaks down to sugar, but it also comes with phytochemicals. The birth control pill and the abortion pill actually are developed from plants.

[Sean]

Really?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Yes.

[Sean]

Holy crap.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

So many people don't know that the plants they are eating might contain goitrogens, tumor genes, phytoestrogens, hemagglutinins, phytohem, agglutinins. Those are plant lectins that actually cause blood clots. Jeez. So when we tell people eat a high plant based diet.

We'Re misinformed. As doctors in the medical field and the nutrition industry is at the same fault in all of this because we really aren't studying the science. We're listening to the propaganda that's pushing a plant based paradigm when in fact we're getting sicker and sicker. And I'm looking to help the regenerative farmers. And even if you're choosing to sustainable ranching and farms is critical. We don't have to massively industrialize the food and, and, and kill the soils and ruin the soils. We need to let the, the grass root and, and this is a grassroots calling for me that I want to help the farmers, the ranchers know where your food is. Coming from? Yeah. Know what's added to it, if it's added to know about whether it's getting hormones or other injections, what it's being fed. You know, I want to know what my food is, is feeding on before I eat it. That's an important thing for all of us. I personally enjoy a grain finished, but my grain finished is, is Wyoming Wagyu, a bighorn mountain farms up in Buffalo, Wyoming. I've been there. I love it. I see the, the, the, the cows grazing beautifully, great people taking care of them and, and, and, and they feed them a little grain to finish them. Because I like a fattier, more Wagyu meat. Now there's some genetics to that, but I think the fat is so critical to eat. If the only thing you do in your diet is add animal fat, you'll be healthier than you ever know.

[Sean]

Wow. I will say grain finish tastes better.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

It does. I think the science that it's harmful for you is not accurate enough. I don't worry about my omega threes and omega sixes because I don't, I don't eat anything that I got to think about that in my opinion.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

I don't, I don't use plant oils and I don't typically eat plants of any significance. I occasionally have a french fry, no skin, extra crispy, fried in duck grease, tallow, ghee or lard, and I dip it in sour cream. I made sure I poured the grease from the steak because there's always a little bit in that pan and I don't put it on the barbecue. I actually put it under the fire. That's the best way to black and blue it, char it and save the grease and pour it right back.

[Sean]

Wow. Do you get worried about parasites eating the raw meat?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

I've never heard of parasites from eating beef. From the cow that you get from the butcher or the ranch and you slice it up or they slice it up or they, or they, you know where they're grinding it up. Yeah. But I think the problem is going to be in ground meat, processed meats. I don't typically touch chicken.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Mass produced. Find a local farm, raise it yourself. That's what you want to do. Eat the fatty meat, eat the organ meats, eat the skin. That's the healthiest thing we can, we can eat. And the problem is most of the processed meats, they've removed the, the, the fat. And so where to go? Ask the butcher for the fat. And, and again, I think it's better to, to consume some of the raw fat, raw butter, because microbes cannot, cannot grow in a fat environment. And so I don't know if you've ever noticed that butter never molds.

[Sean]

That's true. Yeah, I've never seen that.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Right. If it's real, butter never molds. And so actually when you eat fat, it kills or controls the microbes in the gut.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

And. And if you've ever heard of Salisbury steak. He was a doctor, Civil War era. Graduated Albany met in 1850s. His men were dying of dysentery and pneumonia. He put them on a. Mostly a meat based diet, but he also wrote a book and studied and looked at the effluent, the, the diarrhea and the vomit that came out of them and saw tons of m. Flourishing. So it's the microbiome that's killing us because we're feeding at a lot of plants and low fat. If you add the fat, you kill or control the microbes. I think that's one of the most healthiest things we can do.

[Sean]

Interesting. Yeah. You're seeing restaurants starting to use, what is it, ghee or lard or something.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

They're using ghee, they're using animal fat. They're beginning to start. I think it's Shake Shack.

[Sean]

Yeah. Steak and shake. Right.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Steak and shake. McDonald's used to do it, but they were forced by the. The an environment which was trying to sell us a concept. Ancel Keys and many others were convinced that fat was the cause of heart disease, when in fact it was sugar. Wow. Now, is it a conspiracy? There may be a lot of conspiracies going on out there, but basically the powers of the prophets, the, the pope, the priests, the pharaohs, the kings and the queens controlled the masses by feeding them bread and beer. And so I can get you to do anything if I feed you bread, beer. Now it's wine and coffee and all sorts of things. It's pasta, bread, cookie cakes and those sort of things which basically make us weak and meek. Domesticated animals. If you want to domesticate a lion or a wolf, feed them plants. They become dogs and cats.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

So we're just domesticated, ancient hunters. We've lost our ability to think for ourselves, to control ourselves and say, no. That's what I'm here to do, to share and help people heal.

[Sean]

I love that. Yeah. When I was growing up, they really demonized salt and fat.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Yeah. My dinner is fatty meat. Salt and water.

And add the butter. So I was at Capitol Grill last night. You know, the guy had to hear a story. I Did some oysters with some lemon on it and then no bread. We had sparkling water. Ribeye steak wasn't quite as thick as I love, but it was good.

And, and, and so we said, okay, black and blue, I want extra butter. And he, I just had to, you know, bring more butter and bring the maldon salt. And it was amazing that way. And mine was black and blue. And I again, I think raw to rare is the best thing you could do with a lot of fat on it. I see too many carnivores cutting the fat, not eating the fat.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

And many carnivores still have problems with their health and wellness at all levels because they aren't focusing on fat.

[Sean]

Interesting.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

And, and when we say carnivore, it's the fat. And, and ultimately if you go back to our ancients, you look at, look at our Eskimos and you look at Wilhelm there, Stefansson and his wife work that he did in, in the early 1900s. Fat of the land. The story is simple. We're meant to eat fat. And the modern world took from the indigenous people. What they did was they took their health and wellness, their livelihood and, and their environment away from them by, by providing a plant based diet and then it controlled them. And then they brought all the bugs and the microbes that had essentially killed many of them.

[Sean]

Wow. Yeah. They tried to reintroduce insects to our generation, like protein, chickpea powder and stuff.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Yeah. Now there are many indigenous people that eat insects.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

And in fact, so what is the energy for the insect?

[Sean]

Is it grass?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

It's, it's the fat. So they make fat by eating the grass. A cow makes fat to get fat. Where's the fat come from? Right. They're not eating fat, they're eating grass. So why are we all getting so fat? Are we eating fat? So now they say we eat a fatty diet. But the last I look, fruit, fiber, vegetable seeds and knots are not fat.

[Sean]

Right.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

And if I fry something in fat.

Does it absorb all the fat? If I boil something in water, does it absorb all the water? It doesn't. So in fact, those are not fatty foods, but they make you fat because they're carbohydrates. I like to just say they're plants. So the plants break down to simple sugars in your gut, right?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

And then in the gut they go to the liver. Insulin goes to the liver and converts into fat. The job of the liver and the job of insulin is to make fat, not store fat. If you eat and make more fat than you burn in the day, you're going to gain weight. Is gaining weight before wintertime a good thing?

[Sean]

No. Oh, wait, yeah.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Historically it would be, right? I mean, you know, what do you and I have to do for food? We, you know, we, we just call on something on our phone, something's delivered, we get a restaurant or even though from, from the, the, the market. And, and so it is a crazy concept, but most organisms must have fatigue. I mean, how do butterflies get all the way to Mexico and back here? They have sugar stores. Nobody has sugar stores. Plants have sugar stores, but not animals and not most organisms. And so ultimately, the science we've been taught is wrong. Sugar is for glycosylation. Your brain uses it for glycosylation. But the last time I looked. Who has no fat in their body? Have you seen anyone with the, with no fat on their body? No, that doesn't exist. Because if you do, you're dead. Anorexia, bulimia, cachectia, sarcopenia. It's very sick. There's something called hepatogenous diabetes. Most people have never heard about it. It's, it's in the form of cirrhosis. Normal liver, fatty liver, fibrotic liver, cirrhotic liver. Liver cancer is in there somewhere. But basically, you cannot survive on a cirrhotic liver very long when you have a cirrhotic liver. People are very skinny, yet they're eating a standard diet in so many ways. Their sugars are high and their insulin is high. Why are they skinny? They're skinny because their liver cannot make fat. And that's the most critical component of our body. Everyone says the liver is to detox. It's not, it's to make fat. And if you can't make fat, your dad.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

And, and So a type 1 diabetic can't make fat because they don't have insulin. A type 2 diabetic cubicle are very fat, aren't they?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Is obesity the cause of disease?

[Sean]

Yeah, isn't it?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

No way.

[Sean]

Really?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Because.

Bears gain a thousand pounds and hibernate and gestate. They lose no muscle mass, no bone mass. But they grow one to four baby bears. They've lost only one thing, fat. Well, where did the, the, the, the bears growing in the uterus get their, their building blocks? Adipose tissue. Adipose tissue is the most important thing for us. We're actually physiologically, environmentally meant to get fat. There's nothing wrong with those people to get fat. But they've been told and they've been fed the lie for thousands of years that a plant based diet is best for you here. You work in the fields, but don't go to the hunting grounds. Right. Domesticated animals. Yes, master. We'll do whatever you want. But when you become a lion, do you listen to the master very well?

[Sean]

No.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

No way. And I'm not going to listen anymore. And as a physician, my job is to help people, not hurt people. If I don't share this, especially in social media, which more and more people are taking charge to take care of their own health and wellness. We're restricted from talking about health and wellness online. So you have to make disclaimer. I'm not a doctor. This is not healthcare advice. Well, where did most people get their health advice for thousands of years? From their mother, their grand. Well, thousands of years, their mother, their grandmother, the, the, the herbalist in the tribe. Right. And so there weren't doctors or witch doctors, we call them, I guess. So maybe you're right in some way. But, but ultimately we're, we're living in a look at. I love to party, I love to connect, I love to have a martini sometimes. But I really minimize it. But, but ultimately we want to help people. And today your phone, the devices, the Internet have infinitely more information than I had when I was in medical school in the 80s. And so now you alone could listen and learn from human stories which have more power than a scientific study. Because most scientific studies are supported by a grant or money or a commercial entity that wants the story to read this way. If it doesn't, what the odds it's going to get published. And if your paper is against the standard scientific paradigm, ain't going to get published either. It's going to be hidden or thrown out. Sorry doesn't meet our standards. Now, if you're the head of the American Medical association, the American College of Ob, GYN or any pharmaceutical industry, we're all working together. And the money that controls all facets of our lives controls medicine, controls the food industry, the pharmaceutical industry. And I'm not, I'm not against anyone, by the way, but my job is to help us all heal. Whether you're in those areas or not. And you and your family, you want to know the truth, you don't want to mess around. Certainly there is a propensity to listen to the doctor, but I've made plenty of mistakes and I've heard people in my time not knowingly doing that.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

And, and so. Wow, you mean if I simply change my diet, which kind of seems ridiculous. I mean changing diet is like changing your politics or religion.

[Sean]

It's a big change.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Yeah, it's a big change out there.

[Sean]

Yeah, that makes sense, man. Wow. I Learned a lot. Dr. Where could people find you and potentially become a client?

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Well, you become the client for yourself first and in order to heal humanity, I always say. But drkilts.com is the best place to go. Dr. Spelled out. But if you Google kilts, carnivore Dr. Or fertility Dr. You could find me out there. I own and run CNY Fertility centers with amazing people helping run this and people behind scenes are so critical to help us share this story. But people text me, call me and find my cell phone on the Internet and text me. But Instagram is a good place to find me. Dr. Killstack.

[Sean]

Love it.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

All below.

[Podcast Host]

Thanks for coming on.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Dr. My pleasure. Sean. God bless you.

[Sean]

Next time.

[Dr. Robert Kilts]

Take care.

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