Roger Stone Jr. Breaks Down Power, Politics, and the Next 2 Years| DSH #1773

Summary

Digital Social Hour | Episode #1773: "Roger Stone Jr. Breaks Down Power, Politics, and the Next 2 Years"
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Roger Stone Jr.
Date: January 20, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this provocative and politically charged episode, host Sean Kelly sits down with longtime political adviser and strategist Roger Stone Jr. at AmFest. The conversation dives deep into the current political climate, right-wing divisions, conspiracy theories, party loyalty, key figures in American politics, and Stone's perspective on the challenges ahead for the country. Stone is frank and unfiltered, sharing personal anecdotes, sharp critiques of political adversaries, and predictions about the near future of American power and governance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Rise of "Radical Marxist Clique" and the Political Landscape

• Stone warns of a "radical Marxist clique" poised to attempt to take control of the country, viewing this as the primary existential threat over the next two years.
• He frames the event turnout (20,000 to 30,000 young people) as evidence of youth engagement and credits Charlie Kirk for mobilization efforts after his recent assassination.

  "We owe it to Charlie to stay focused on the ball, which is saving this country from radical Marxism." — Roger Stone, [00:21]

2. Roger Stone’s Upcoming Book: Bushwhacked

• Stone previews his forthcoming book on the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan, alleging inconsistencies in the established narrative surrounding John Hinckley Jr.

  "John Hinckley Jr. is the accused shooter of Reagan...How. Why then is Reagan shot from above and behind? I'll prove it in the book." — Roger Stone, [01:00]

3. Right-Wing Division and the Assassination of Charlie Kirk

• Stone notes that Kirk’s assassination has further divided the political right.
• Despite not being an "expert on ballistics," Stone calls for attention to the broader threat of leftist movements rather than infighting.

  "The worst part about this is that Charlie's dead. That's the worst part." — Roger Stone, [01:22]
  "We owe it to Charlie to stay focused on the ball..." — Roger Stone, [01:28]

4. "Deep State" and the Threat to Trump’s Presidency

• Stone frames the "deep state" as a bipartisan but unelected political establishment opposed to Donald Trump’s presidency.
• He predicts a concerted effort to regain congressional control and thus impair Trump’s effectiveness in the final two years of his term.

  "...the permanent unelected political establishment ... dominated both parties in America until Donald Trump came along. They didn't expect him to make the greatest comeback in American political history." — Roger Stone, [02:04]

5. Succession Speculations: J.D. Vance and Tulsi Gabbard

• Stone backs J.D. Vance as Trump’s successor and emphasizes the importance of a "strong, viable, attractive vice Presidential candidate," personally suggesting Tulsi Gabbard.

  "I don't want to mention any names. Tulsi Gabbard." — Roger Stone, [02:48]

6. The Epstein Files, Political Associations & Scandals

• Stone revisits connections to Jeffrey Epstein, referencing his 2015 book and pointing to flight manifests implicating influential Democrats, most notably Bill Clinton, but claims no Republicans are listed.

  "Three eyewitnesses put you [Bill Clinton] on the island under oath." — Roger Stone, [03:13]
  "There are no Republicans on that list." — Roger Stone, [03:54]

• Stone also reveals surprise at Steve Bannon’s connection to Epstein, citing newly revealed emails and photos:

  "...after Bannon was fired by Trump, he becomes a fixture at Epstein's home in New York, visits his apartment in Paris ... he was coaching Epstein in his public rehabilitation." — Roger Stone, [04:24]

7. Loyalty and Betrayal in Politics

• Stone recounts his personal dealings with Steve Bannon, who testified against him despite earlier denials of knowledge regarding Wikileaks.

  "You can imagine my surprise when he showed up at my trial as Robert Mueller's surprise witness ... all of which is a perjurist lie." — Roger Stone, [07:08]

• On loyalty in politics:

  "If you want loyalty in politics, get a dog." — Roger Stone, [07:27]

8. Trump’s All-Star Cabinet & Political Outlook

• Stone praises Trump’s assembled team, especially Scott Besson (cryptocurrency advocate), RFK Jr. (critic of Big Pharma), Tulsi Gabbard, and Marco Rubio.

  "This is the best cabinet in American history ... including Marco Rubio ... the effectiveness and the efficiency in which he's implemented ... Trump’s agenda ... has been very impressive." — Roger Stone, [08:15]

9. The Volatility of Midterms and Future Predictions

• Stone expresses skepticism that Democrats will necessarily win the midterms, emphasizing volatility in American politics and pointing to Trump’s economic achievements and monetary reform as strengths.

  "Anyone who tells you that that's a certainty doesn't understand the volatility of American politics. In politics, a week is a lifetime." — Roger Stone, [09:37]

10. On Impeachment & Accountability

• Stone opines that if Democrats gain control, they will attempt to impeach Trump again.
• When asked who should be in prison but isn't, Stone names John Brennan, Andrew Weissman, Mike Pompeo, and James Comey, alleging their involvement in fabricating the Steele dossier and undermining Trump.

  "John Brennan? No question whatsoever. He knew that the Steele dossier was a fraud." — Roger Stone, [10:26]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "[On infighting after Charlie Kirk's death] The worst part about this is that Charlie's dead. That's the worst part. ... We owe it to Charlie to stay focused on the ball, which is saving this country from radical Marxism." — Roger Stone, [01:22]
• "If you want loyalty in politics, get a dog." — Roger Stone, [07:27]
• "This is the best cabinet in American history." — Roger Stone, [08:14]
• "[On Bannon’s betrayal] ...all of which is a perjurist lie." — Roger Stone, [07:20]
• "Anyone who tells you that that's a certainty doesn't understand the volatility of American politics. In politics, a week is a lifetime." — Roger Stone, [09:37]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:00–01:22] — Stone on "radical Marxist clique," Charlie Kirk's legacy, and the importance of youth turnout
• [01:38–01:59] — Announcement of his new book, Bushwhacked, and its claims about the Reagan assassination attempt
• [03:04–04:48] — Deep dive into Epstein’s island, Bill Clinton, revelation about Steve Bannon
• [07:08–07:31] — Stone details his perceived betrayal by Steve Bannon and reflects on loyalty in politics
• [08:10–08:56] — Praise for Trump’s new cabinet: Besson, RFK Jr., Gabbard, Rubio
• [09:31–10:20] — Predictions about midterms, economic policies, and Trump’s prospects
• [10:20–11:10] — Stone names major political figures he believes should be prosecuted

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Tone and Style

The dialogue maintains the combative, polemic, and occasionally conspiratorial tone characteristic of both the guest and the Digital Social Hour’s brand, interspersed with moments of nostalgia and unapologetic partisanship. Stone projects certainty, historical recall, and a readiness to challenge political norms, while Kelly guides the conversation with pointed, concise questions and moments of agreement.

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This episode offers a window into Roger Stone's worldview and political theorizing, making it a must-listen (or read) for anyone following current American political dynamics or interested in the inside baseball of right-wing strategists.

Transcript

[A]

In all honesty, we have a radical Marxist clique that hopes to take control of this country in a little more than a year. And I really think we need to focus on that. The turnout here going from 20,000 to 30,000 young people, that's a testimony to the great work of Charlie Kirk. We owe it to Charlie to stay focused on the ball, which is saving this country from radical Marxism.

[B]

All right, guys, here with Roger Stone at amfest. Roger, it's good to see you again.

[A]

Great to be here.

[B]

Quite. Quite the year, huh?

[A]

Yes, indeed.

[B]

A lot going on. What's new with you?

[A]

I'm trying to finalize a book on the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan, because that full story has never been told. Hope to have that out early in the year. It's entitled Bushwhacked the Real Story of the Attempted Assassination of Ronald Reagan.

[B]

I'm not familiar with it.

[A]

I think you can get the gist of it.

[B]

So you're expose what actually happened.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, John Hinckley Jr. Is the accused shooter of Reagan. He was in front of Reagan at all times, shooting upward. How. Why then is Reagan shot from above and behind? I'll prove it in the book.

[B]

Nice. And speaking of assassinations, Charlie's assassination has seemed to really divide the right. What do you think about all the division right now?

[A]

It's unhealthy. I mean, the worst part about this is that Charlie's dead. That's the worst part. I'm not an expert on ballistics. I. And in all honesty, we have a radical Marxist clique that hopes to take control of this country in a little more than a year, and I really think we need to focus on that. So the turnout here going from 20,000 to 30,000 young people, that's a testimony to the great work of Charlie Kirk. We owe it to Charlie to stay focused on the ball, which is saving this country from radical Marxism. Yeah.

[B]

So you see Marxism as the big issue for the country.

[A]

Say again?

[B]

Do you see Marxism as the big issue?

[A]

Well, I think that. That the. The deep state, if you want to call them that, the permanent unelected political establishment which has dominated both parties in America until Donald Trump came along. They didn't expect him to make the greatest comeback in American political history. And now they seek to cripple his presidency by getting control of either house of Congress for the last two years of his second term. And that has to be prevented. And then we have to work towards making sure that J.D. vance follows Donald Trump as president, and we choose a strong, viable, attractive vice Presidential candidate. I don't want to mention any names. Tulsi Gabbard.

[B]

I'm with you.

[A]

And then we win.

[B]

I'm with you on that one. She was one of my favorite guests.

[A]

She would be great.

[B]

She was bright. Speaking of issues dividing the right, the files are another issue. There's new photos being leaked about who's. Who's in the files. Where are you at with all this files nonsense?

[A]

Nothing here that surprises me. I wrote a book in 2015 called the Clinton's War on Women. The longest chapter in the book is on Epstein because I read all of the testimony in the trials of the women who refused to settle and sued Epstein. So when Bill Clinton says he was not on the island. Sorry, three eyewitnesses put you on the island under oath. And the FAA records, flight records, show you on the island multiple times. Show him on the plane 27 times.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Including the time that Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein flew to Brunei to get a million dollar check from the Sultan of Brunei, who's a notorious pedophile.

[B]

That is crazy. Do you think it was mainly a left issue on the Democrats on the island, or do you think it was both parties?

[A]

With one exception. I looked at the manifests from the faa. So you know who flew to the island. There are no Republicans on that list. Larry Summers, the Treasury Secretary under Clinton's, on the list. George Mitchell, the U.S. senate Democrat majority leader, is on the list. Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico's on the list. The surprise to me, of course, is the relationship that we've now learned between the emails that have been released and the photos have been released between Steve Bannon and Jeffrey Epstein is abundantly clear, as reported by the New York Post, that after Bannon was fired by Trump, he becomes a fixture at Epstein's home in New York, visits his apartment in Paris. And we see from the emails that he was coaching Epstein in his public rehabilitation.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

We know that there's, I think it's 15 hours of video interviews which were told are for a documentary that's never been released. I believe, based on the emails, that that is more.

[C]

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[A]

Or probably video of practice sessions for an invitation that Epstein had to be on 60 Minutes that was canceled when he was arrested. Wow.

[B]

So Bannon could be a traitor.

[A]

I think he was. There's no evidence. The evidence is in the emails. You have to listen to me read his own words. He was coaching Jeffrey Epstein on how to handle questions regarding his abuse of underage children.

[B]

That's crazy. And that's someone you've known for a long time, right?

[A]

Well, since the 2016 campaign. Look, I. I tried to help Steve Bannon when he became Trump's campaign manager. He testified before the House Intelligence Committee same time, and I did, regarding Russian collusion. And he was asked, did you ever discuss WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, or these allegedly stolen emails with Roger Stone? He said, no, never. You can imagine my surprise when he showed up at my trial as Robert Mueller's surprise witness. And when he was asked the exact same question, he said, oh, yeah, I spoke to Stone about it in every phone conversation we had in 2016. I considered him our access point to WikiLeaks. All of which is a perjurist lie.

[B]

Loyalty seems to be very rare in politics.

[A]

Yeah, if you want loyalty in politics, get a dog.

[B]

You're the only one who. I've studied that over the years. You have the same position. You've never flip flopped.

[A]

Well, look, I saw as early as 1988 that Donald Trump had the size and the gumption and the stamina and the courage and the independence to be not just a great presidential candidate, but to be a truly great president. And I've never wavered in that. I thought it in 1988, I thought it in 2000, I thought it in 2012, and of course it manifested itself in 2016.

[B]

And he's had so many people come in and out, it's like musical chairs betraying him, talking negatively about him. But you've always been there for him.

[A]

But now I think he has an all star team around him. And this is the best cabinet in American history. Scott Besson, a libertarian, an outside the box thinker, a strong supporter of cryptocurrency, Bitcoin gold, a deep and specific and and articulate critic of the Federal Reserve as well as a federal income tax. That's a great appointment. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Taking on the Big Pharma orthodoxy that has been misleading and lying to the American people for decades. Tulsi Gabbard, who we discussed, who finally declassifies all the documents that prove that there was a seditious conspiracy at the highest levels of government to try to illicitly remove a sitting president. This is an all star cabinet, including Marco Rubio, who, I mean, he was my senator. I voted for him, I supported him in the Republican primaries for Senate. But the effectiveness and the efficiency in which he's implemented, not his agenda. Trump's agenda in this hemisphere and across the globe has been very impressive.

[B]

Do you think if the midterms are lost, they're going to try to impeach Trump again?

[A]

Well, I try not to answer hypothetical questions, but there's no question that they will try to do that. On the other hand, I don't concede that they will necessarily win the midterm elections. I think anyone who tells you that that's a certainty doesn't understand the volatility of American politics. In politics, a week is a lifetime. The Trump tax cuts, the Trump regulatory cuts, the Trump investment in rare earth minerals, the interest rate cuts that we'll finally get once we get a non politicized Federal Reserve Board, our economy will be much stronger than it is. It's already strong, but it'll be much stronger than it is today, a year from now. And substantially stronger than three years from now.

[B]

Yeah. Who should be in prison right now, in your opinion, but isn't John Brennan?

[A]

No question whatsoever. He knew that the Steele dossier was a fraud. Andrew Weissman, who had served as the general counsel of the FBI, later the de facto head of the Mueller witch hunt, he knew it was a fraud. Mike Pompeo knew it was a fraud. But he knew about never bothered to tell Donald Trump. James Comey lied under oath to Congress about whether he instructed people to leak classified documents. That case was dismissed not on the merits, but because the the four judges involved incorrectly said Lindsey Halligan had been appointed the U.S. attorney. They're wrong. Spring peeled. And it will go to the Supreme Court, where she will win.

[B]

Roger.

[A]

Now a matter of principle. Yeah.

[B]

Roger. Thanks for your time. It's always good seeing you, man.

[A]

Happy to be here.

[C]

I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm. Thank you.