Sabina Kelley: Why Women Feel Rushed to Have Kids Too Late | DSH #1760

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Digital Social Hour with Sabina Kelley

Episode: Sabina Kelley: Why Women Feel Rushed to Have Kids Too Late | DSH #1760
Host: Sean Kelly
Date: January 16, 2026
Guest: Sabina Kelley (Model, entrepreneur, pinup icon, family woman)

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode is a candid, wide-ranging conversation with Sabina Kelley, a pioneering tattooed pinup model and entrepreneur. The discussion centers around the pressure women feel about the timing of having children, especially in the entertainment industry, and branches into parenting, career, tattoos, modeling, social media dynamics, Vegas and travel lifestyle, and family privacy in the digital age.

The authentic dialogue showcases Sabina’s unique perspective on motherhood, juggling a creative career, and pushing through societal expectations, all while navigating the realities of personal branding and raising kids in the age of social media.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Pressures and Timing Around Motherhood

• Sabina observes a trend: Many women, especially in the entertainment industry, delay having children for their careers and then feel pressured as they approach their 40s.

  “A lot of women, like, they're just like, career, career, career, and they don't want to have kids because they think that holds you back... Then they get scared and they're like, oh, my God, I have to do it now. And they'll just grab whoever.”
  — Sabina, (00:04, 35:56)

• The “biological clock” pressure: Sabina and Sean discuss both societal perceptions and medical advice about having kids by a certain age, highlighting a divide between financial/emotional readiness and biology.
• Mixed feelings on the right age:

  "I kind of feel like though, like in your, like, early 30s is ideal."
  — Sabina, (35:08)

2. Parenting Style, Generational Differences, and Social Media

• Sabina describes her parenting philosophy: She aims for a balance between being strict and approachable, allowing her kids to express themselves while holding them accountable.

  “I want my kids to be able to tell me anything... But then again, I think kids just naturally, when you are the parent, figure that they think you’re going to say no... it’s that weird balance of being their friend and being a parent.”
  — Sabina, (31:07)

• Parenting "adult" children: Sabina reflects that being a parent to adult children often brings more complex challenges and responsibilities than parenting young kids.

  "I always thought, like, I can't wait till my kids turn 18...Oh, absolutely not. Like it's, it's way harder."
  — Sabina, (28:38)

• Kids and technology: They discuss the struggle with kids and phone usage, and Sabina’s difficulties reigning in screen time:

  “My teenager... it’s almost like a whole nother world. She, like, doesn't even live in reality...”
  — Sabina, (39:03)

• Posting family on social vs. privacy concerns: Sabina posts her kids and husband publicly, partly to deter stalkers and weird messages. She notes that some models believe they should hide their families to protect opportunities—a dichotomy in entertainment:

  “A lot of women think they need to hide that if they have a boyfriend or a husband or kids... Why wouldn’t I? I'm proud of them. It’s my family.”
  — Sabina, (00:28, 36:24)
  “[Posting them] made stalkers and weird people actually kind of stay away from me a little bit.”
  — Sabina, (37:30)

3. Career & Identity: Modeling, Tattoos, and Entrepreneurial Hustle

• Sabina’s unique path in modeling: She describes building her niche as a tattooed pinup model—something unheard of when she started:

  “Pinup models back in the 40s and 50s never had tattoos. So when I started being a pinup model and getting tattooed, that wasn't a thing... I kind of trailblazed my way through.”
  — Sabina, (04:16, 04:48)

• Modeling & Tattoos now: Tattoos are still more tolerated for men, but acceptance is growing. Sabina explains her personal and industry experiences with both stigma and opportunity.

• Tattoo removal business: She was an early non-doctor running a tattoo removal shop, describes regulations/tech advances, and why she left the business after working in Australia.

• Entrepreneurship: Sabina’s current focus includes expanding the "Smiles and Cries Tattoo" shop (owned with her husband), launching a burlesque show, and coaching models.

  “We’ve just put everything into that, so we’ve been building that.”
  — Sabina, (17:53)

4. Las Vegas, Travel, & Lifestyle

• Sabina and Sean talk about the unique allure of Las Vegas: endless entertainment, food, odd schedules, and why people keep returning to live and work there.
• They swap notes on favorite Vegas restaurants, off-strip local gems, and travel plans (Australia, NYC, Nashville, Mexico).
• Cultural differences abroad: Sabina shares insights about the media, tattoo culture, and daily life in Australia and Japan, reflecting on how perceptions and freedoms differ by country.

5. Education & The Next Generation

• Both express concerns about the current public education system in Nevada, noting relaxed policies (retaking tests, little or no homework) and the importance of in-person schooling for social skills.

  “The only thing that is good about public school is that it teaches you how to deal with real life and deal with real people and with bullies and with, you know, every type of person there is.”
  — Sabina, (42:20)

• Discuss the challenges of homeschooling and online classes post-Covid, and the generational shift in attention spans and discipline.

6. Notable Vegas Hotspots

• In-depth discussion of best places to eat in Vegas:
  • Mayfair Supper Club, Delilah, Javier’s, Lotus of Siam, Virgin Hotel, Durango’s food court, Nobu, etc.
  • The scene at the Sphere and favorite shows (Piff the Magic Dragon, David Blaine, ex-Burlesque), talking about how the entertainment scene is evolving.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the timing of motherhood:

  “I have a lot of friends that are trying to have babies, like, way later...they get scared and they're like, oh, my God, I have to do it now. And they'll just grab whoever.”
  — Sabina, (00:04)

• On building her modeling niche:

  “I feel like I kind of trailblazed my way through...there's not anybody I could look up to and be like, I want to follow that person...I kind of just did my own thing.”
  — Sabina, (04:48)

• On social media and family privacy:

  “A lot of women think they need to hide that if they have a boyfriend or a husband or kids...Why wouldn’t I? I'm proud of them. It's my family.”
  — Sabina, (00:28)

• On being a parent to adults:

  “It’s way harder. Like when they turn, when they get to be an adult, then you get adult problems. We still have one that's 16, so she's, you know, in that teenage years. But the other two, it's the adult problems really.”
  — Sabina, (28:38)

• Sabina on the evolving tattoo stigma and her family:

  “They didn't even allow women in the tattoo shop when I was like in high school...Women were not allowed in there and they'd laugh at you and be like, 'get out.'”
  — Sabina, (06:47)

• Sabina on social media and stalkers:

  “[Posting family pictures] made my stalkers and weird people actually kind of stay away from me a little bit.”
  — Sabina, (37:30)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Motherhood pressure and timing: 00:00, 35:34, 36:18
• On posting family on social vs hiding: 00:28, 36:24, 37:30
• Tattoo/modeling career beginnings: 04:16, 04:48
• Tattoo industry stigma/gender differences: 05:12
• Tattoo removal business and regulations: 12:30 – 13:51
• Being a "workaholic" as a creative mom: 34:03
• Parenting and adult children: 28:38 – 29:50
• Education system & teens and tech: 39:03 – 43:05
• Vegas lifestyle and favorite spots: 21:02 – 28:03

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The Conversation’s Tone & Feel

• Authentic, candid, slightly irreverent: Both Sean and Sabina share personal anecdotes honestly, mixing humor with vulnerability.
• Supportive, non-judgmental: Plenty of back-and-forth agreement, introspection, and curiosity about each other’s take.
• Relatable and pragmatic: Especially when discussing parenting, career pressures, and social media "side effects."
• Conversational, lively, and local: Vegas culture and entertainment are woven throughout, appealing to locals and anyone interested in the creative hustle.

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Guest Links

• Tattoo Shop: Smiles and Cries Tattoo (Vegas Valley and Maryland Parkway, Las Vegas)
• Website: SabinaKelly.com
• Instagram: @sabinakelly

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Transcript

[A]

I have a lot of friends that are trying to have babies, like, way later.

[B]

Really? In their 40s?

[A]

Yes. That's scary. Maybe it's because I'm in the entertainment industry. So a lot of women, like, they're just like, career, career, career, and they don't want to have kids because they think that holds you back or whatever they think, you know, And I think they start to get to the age where they're not going to be able to, and they get scared and they're like, oh, my God, I have to do it now. And they'll just grab whoever.

[B]

I was just going to ask you that because I hear this from women in the 30s.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That they feel like they're in a rush if they don't have a kid by then.

[A]

I see. See a lot of women like that. And so that. And it's also another thing, too. Like, I get people all the time that are like, you know, because I post pictures of my husband and my kids and stuff, and it actually hides. Not hides, but it, like, keeps, like, people from bugging the crap out of me and sending me all kinds, you know, DMs of all kinds of stuff. And it's actually, I have models message me all the time going, well, why do you post pictures of your husband and your kids? And I'm like, why wouldn't I? I'm proud of them. You know what I mean? It's my family. But a lot of women think they need to hide that if they have a boyfriend or a husband or kids and stuff like that.

[B]

I do hear, Okay, guys, we got Sabina here. Vegas local. Same initials.

[A]

Yes, we do. We have the same initials.

[B]

It's awesome. Yeah. But you got more tattoos than me.

[A]

I do.

[B]

You've probably lost track at this point, right?

[A]

I have no idea how many tattoos I have.

[B]

Wow. You still getting more? Are you done?

[A]

You know, right now we're actually re going over all my old tattoos and bringing them back to life. Because. Because some of them are like. Like 20 years old. And see how the color's falling out of this one right here. So we're like, re putting color back in to bring them. Popping them and bringing them back to life.

[B]

Wow. Yeah, I noticed sometimes they lose their appeal, right?

[A]

They do. They start to fade away over the years.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The sun.

[B]

So how often, I guess, do you have to do that every 20 years or.

[A]

Honestly, most people don't do it. I just started doing it because of modeling and because I'm married to a tattoo artist.

[B]

Makes sense.

[A]

Hey, let's. Let's freshen these up, make them look a little better.

[B]

Yeah. In the bedroom, just while you're watching Netflix or watching Wednesday right now, the new season.

[A]

Yes. I started watching it too.

[B]

It's good, right?

[A]

Yep, yep.

[B]

Yeah. Well, shout out to Wednesday man. What's that actress called? Jenna Ortega.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah, she's a beast. Everything she's in crushes it. Do you still do the television shows too, or you taking a break?

[A]

I'm not right now. I want to. I absolutely love doing Best Inc. And doing any TV and movie stuff. I want to do more of it, for sure. But it challenged me because I do modeling most of the time, and so doing TV was different for me and challenged me, and so I like challenging.

[B]

Yeah. It seems like everyone in Vegas on a little TV break. The Pawn Stars guys, there was another car show. Danny Coker, he had a show. They're on break right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know what's going on, but people are kind of doing their own thing right now. Doing podcasts, actually.

[A]

Yeah. I actually thought that was like, what's going on now? Everyone's turned into podcasts and doing their own podcast.

[B]

Yeah. That's where the money's at. That's where the attention's at these days. Right. Tv, I feel like, has lost some appeal.

[A]

Right. I feel like with podcasts, you can get a little more in depth with people and more. It's more real. And I think people these days like to see more real than just like, you know, scripted TV and even, like, reality tv. It's not really real. I mean, it's real, but it's like.

[B]

In the back of your head.

[A]

Yeah. They still, you know, they still persuade things certain ways. Want the drama.

[B]

Yeah. How's the modeling lately?

[A]

It's going really good. I'm actually starting to shoot my 2026 calendar.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I usually have it done by now, so I'm a little behind on it, but.

[B]

Oh, so you're usually done by now? It's not even October yet.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

So you have to shoot those way in advance.

[A]

We shoot them in advance and then. Yeah. And get it all edited and printed up. And I usually have it by the end of September, but I think this year it's going to be end of October. Nice.

[B]

Now, that's a tough industry, right? Modeling?

[A]

Definitely. But I feel like I've kind of created my own little niche, having my tattoos and being a pinup model.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It is a lot more common nowadays for that, but when I started, it wasn't and it's held me back for a lot of things more in the fashion world and stuff like that, having tattoos. But again, nowadays, everything's a lot more acceptable.

[B]

Yeah. Overall, would you say it's a net positive?

[A]

Would I say what?

[B]

Having this many tattoos, has it been a net positive overall? Uh, in terms of business, I guess.

[A]

Yeah. Well, for me. Cause I. I think the way I started and I made my name around my tattoos and being a pinup model, which was not a known thing at the time, because pinup models back in the 40s and 50s never had tattoos. So when I started being a pinup model and getting tattooed, that wasn't a thing. So I kind of created that little niche. And so, yeah, it's been good for me. But I think if I would have started now and started getting tattoos, trying to be a pinup model, it'd be a whole nother story.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you think because you were kind of early and you paved the lane, it helped?

[A]

Yes, 100%. I feel like I kind of trailblazed my way through because there's not anybody I could look up to and be like, I want to follow that person. Be just like that person. It was like I didn't really have anybody I could point to and be like, that's who I want to be. Like, I kind of just did my own thing, and, you know, there's ups and downs on it, but. Good.

[B]

That makes sense. Is it still like that now with the modeling industry? Is it pretty against tattoos? For the most part, a lot of.

[A]

It'S still against tattoos, but it is a little more acceptable. It's a lot more acceptable for guys than it is for girls. The fashion world, it's still a little touchy there, but it is definitely a lot more acceptable now.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. It's so weird. I wonder when that stigma started with tattoos and how people don't trust people with tattoos. You know what I mean? Like.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, it's like a negative connotation.

[A]

I think it's probably because it was like back in the days with the, you know, the bikers and. Yeah, the sailors, you know, all that kind of thing. I don't know. They've always. It's. It always kind of had a, you know, that stigma around it until, like, the tattoo TV shows and stuff. And then I feel like it became a lot more acceptable.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And it's like the soccer moms were running and getting their tattoos now, and I feel like, man, most people nowadays have, like, one. At least one tattoo I know you don't have any. That's awesome.

[B]

But that's rare. That's rare. I feel. Feel like if we looked at stats, I would say, what percentage? If you had estimate, we could look.

[A]

I would say we're about like, I think at least 50%. 50% in the U.S. i would say.

[B]

Let me look it up. What percentage?

[A]

I sure.

[B]

But I want to.

[A]

I want to know.

[B]

Have a tattoo in America. Okay, so your guess is 50%?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So according to this 20, 23 study, they're saying 32% have at least one tattoo, and that was in 23. So you're pretty close. Could be higher now.

[A]

I feel like it would be, I don't know, just from seeing, like, the type of people that are getting tattooed now. Yeah, it's not like. It's not like how it was. Like, tattoo shops used to be scary to go into.

[B]

I used to be scared, just walk by them.

[A]

Yeah, they didn't even allow women in the tattoo shop when. When I was like in high school and stuff.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

They were like, women were not allowed in there and they'd laugh at you and be like, get out. You know, that's nuts. And yeah, now. Now it's totally different.

[B]

So how old were you when you got the first one?

[A]

I was actually 20. I waited.

[B]

So. Kind of late.

[A]

Yeah. Because I was a showgirl in Jubilee and we were not allowed to have tattoos. And so all my friends were heavily tattooed and I would, you know, go to the dive bars after work, and all my friends were full sleeves and back tattoos. And it's something I always wanted. But being a showgirl, I wasn't allowed to have any tattoos, so I started very late.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like now people are getting them like, 16, 17.

[A]

Yeah. But if you get it that early, the stuff that you get tattooed on you, you usually aren't gonna, like, when you get older. Like, my kids, it's like they're getting all tattooed and I'm like, slow it down, slow it down.

[B]

What age are they getting tattooed?

[A]

Well, my daughter actually tattooed her hand by herself like before she. When she was like 16. And we were like, what are you doing?

[B]

You know, self tattoo.

[A]

Yeah. But now they're all getting proper tattoos by, you know, my husband and, you know, big name artists. So they're getting. At least they're getting good work.

[B]

Now I gotta see a family photo of who has the most tattoos.

[A]

I'll have to show you.

[B]

Does your husband have more than you?

[A]

Oh, yeah. He has his whole head tattooed and his Whole head, back, chest, legs.

[B]

Some of the face tats scare me.

[A]

Yeah. He doesn't have any face tattoos. My son actually has a face tattoo.

[B]

Where is it?

[A]

Just like he has the one the little peep has the broken heart.

[B]

Got it. Yeah. Some of the face ones, I don't know why, maybe from movie programming in my head just scare me.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like how gangs have them. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, I could see that for sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't feel like tattoos are as tough nowadays as they used to be.

[B]

Like. Like, in terms of just, like, appearance or. Yeah, yeah. It's changed, right? It's changed a lot.

[A]

100.

[B]

Yeah. In Asian culture, it was like a big no.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Now I see Asians getting them, like, no problem.

[A]

Well, they still like the whole Japanese culture when they, you know, do their Japanese suits. Like, they have it. So when they wear their suit, you can't see that they have, you know, the tattoos underneath. And so, like, even if, like, a shirt goes up a little bit, they come up to here. So, like.

[B]

Got it. So they hide it all.

[A]

It's all hidden. And that's. It's. When I went to Japan, they were, like, shocked seeing me.

[B]

You were so open.

[A]

Like, blonde hair, blue eyes, tall girl with tattoos. It was like, that's a no. No.

[B]

They were avoiding you over there. Yeah. It's interesting to see how certain cultures treat it. Right.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah. I wonder how China would be. I'm half Chinese.

[A]

I want to go to China.

[B]

You haven't been?

[A]

I've never been, and I never, like, I always had heard bad things about it. And my husband has friends that live over there, and they're, like, living on the beach, and it's gorgeous. My. A beach in China? What? And they're showing me pictures, and it's gorgeous. Wow. And I was like, I want to go there.

[B]

Yeah. There's a lot of negative media about it being in America.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, certain countries will be portrayed in a certain way.

[A]

I've noticed that a lot. Like, I lived in Australia for a year and a half, and sometimes we would see things on the news, and then I'd call home and be like, oh, my God, I can't believe this happened. And they're like, that didn't happen. It's like the country was telling us what they wanted us to know and hear.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Than what was actually happening over in the US and then vice versa. Like, when we moved back to the US like, especially during COVID the news that Australians were getting over. Covid were like, Completely different than what was actually going on in the US and like, some of our friends, like, you're still alive. You had Covid and you didn't die. You know, it got big over there.

[B]

That's why I don't watch the news anymore.

[A]

Me neither.

[B]

I grew up watching it daily.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I felt like it was always negative also.

[A]

Always. Yeah. My dad still watches it. Are you watching it? Turn that off.

[B]

The boomer generation.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They grew up with the. They don't know any better.

[A]

No.

[B]

They can't even use social media.

[A]

No.

[B]

So I can't fault them for that. But at least they should know that it's not the truth.

[A]

Not the truth.

[B]

You know what I mean? Do you have any rules for tattoos? Like no names, no certain things.

[A]

I don't really have, like, specifically for me or just general for people. For me, I'm really weird about having my tattoos be symmetrical, where it's like I have this arm done, I have to have this arm done. And like with my neck done, it has to be this one done.

[B]

Okay. Is that like an OCD thing? Maybe.

[A]

I think it just needs to look proportionate, like for. Especially for modeling and stuff. So I'm just very weird about how I get my tattoos done. So if I do one on one side, I have to do one on the other side.

[B]

Interesting. So when you're getting a tat, it's a long day. Yes. You got to get both sides done.

[A]

Well, I mean, I won't do them both, like in the same day, but I'll. It'll be pretty close together, so.

[B]

Wow. Yeah. For me, I. I don't think I'd get names.

[A]

Names.

[B]

Yeah, I've.

[A]

I have had a name that I took off, but.

[B]

Your ex.

[A]

Yes. That's why I lasered it myself. And then. But then I did get my husband's name tattooed on me, so I can't say that I wouldn't get names because that. And I have my kids names on me, so.

[B]

Okay. What are the most commonly requested removals? Is it names?

[A]

I would probably say names. Yeah. Names are just like dumb tattoos and they're drunk and let your friend tattoo you sort of thing. Like, there's a lot of dumb stuff like that.

[B]

You got any drunk tattoos?

[A]

Not. Not really. I actually have pretty good tattoos.

[B]

Nice. Yeah, I don't hear too many people say that.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I feel like everyone has that one regret for.

[A]

See, that's why I started a little bit later too, so.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I would have actually, though, if I would have gotten What I wanted when I was probably, like, 17, I would absolutely regret it. And I know I was, like, begging a lot of my friends to tattoo me at that time, and they thank God never did. And so I'd be regretting it now.

[B]

Respect. Yeah. Cause you also do tattoo removal, right?

[A]

I did. I used to do. I don't do it anymore.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I did that for a while.

[B]

So there wasn't enough of those to run the business.

[A]

No, honestly, I was doing it, and I did it for about eight years, and I loved it. I was really good at it. I was one of the first people in Vegas to do it that wasn't a doctor. So when I. When I did tattoo removal and went to go get the business license, they put me under massage therapy, because they didn't even have anything like tattoo. They didn't even know what to do a tattoo removal. Well, it's definitely not like massage therapy, but went with it. And I moved to Australia. So I sold my laser and everything, sat a doctor over me before I moved to Australia. And then when I moved back from Australia, I didn't jump back into it.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

The price of lasers just went through the roof. It's like they went up 400,000 for, like, one of the, you know, one of the good lasers. And, like, I wouldn't want to do it unless I was doing top of.

[B]

The line, Dude, 400k. You wouldn't make that back for years.

[A]

Exactly. So that's why I have not jumped back into it. And then there's also. They're talking about. I mean, they've been saying it for years where they're trying to make it where you have to be a nurse or a doctor to do tattoo removal. And I'm not a nurse or a doctor. I've trained under. I went to school for it, and I've trained under nurses and doctors, but I wouldn't want to get in that deep with something. And then all of a sudden, the rules change and I can't do it. So I'm like, nah, that's a good.

[B]

Point, because that would be another four years of schooling. Right. To become a nurse and all that debt.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

I mean, college ain't cheap these days.

[A]

And then the debt of the laser, too.

[B]

Right? 400K for a laser. Why did it go up so much? Did they just stop making them or.

[A]

No, I think it's just that the technology just keeps getting better and better, and they, you know, they keep going higher and higher. And so, yeah, I haven't looked into it. For a while, though. But I'm good at it. I know that. Wow.

[B]

I'm going to Australia for my honeymoon.

[A]

Are you? When's your honeymoon?

[B]

November.

[A]

Oh, it's awesome. I'm going to Australia in December.

[B]

Oh, yeah? Yeah. I didn't want to go in the summer.

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

I went once when I was younger in the summer. My face was peeling. It was so bad. It was way too hot.

[A]

It starts to get into summer in November.

[B]

Oh, it does close.

[A]

Yeah. Because it's. It's. Their seasons are opposite ours.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

So it's starting to get. Yeah, you're gonna be. It's gonna be hot, cuz it's gonna be Christmas. Is summer there?

[B]

Did I make the same mistake?

[A]

You did. You did.

[B]

Oh my gosh, bro. Okay, this time it's my fault. Last time I went with my mom, I blame her, but I did not know that. Wow. So it's. It's summer there in a couple months.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Oh my.

[A]

Yeah. So Christmas would be summer for sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We're gonna have Christmas on the beach.

[B]

Wow. We're going to Brisbane.

[A]

That's awesome.

[B]

Yeah, we're going to the zoo. Steve Irwin's old zoo.

[A]

It's so cool.

[B]

You been.

[A]

It's so cool. Yeah, we're pumped. I. I lived on the Gold coast and that's where my husband's from.

[B]

Oh, nice.

[A]

And so that's where we're headed. Like it's about an hour from Brisbane.

[B]

Okay, so you see any wild snakes while you're out there?

[A]

No, but I'm terrified. It's like I am not good with reptiles. And we had a water dragon that lived in our backyard and that was already enough for me. I was like, oh, God. It like hang on our window outside our bedroom window and stuff and like sit by the car and not let you in the car. And I'm just like, like, oh, gosh. But I was. I seriously thought about it. Every day that I stepped foot out of the house, like if I was going to see a snake, just because they talk about it so much and there are so many over there, but I did not see any.

[B]

Yeah, Every local I know that has been growing up there has either been bitten or had like a weird encounter. You know what I mean? It's like a rite of passage out there.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

Yeah, it's wild.

[A]

Yeah. The spiders are pretty crazy though. They're big.

[B]

You scared of those?

[A]

The huntsmans? I'm not scared of spiders, but when they're like this big, I don't like that.

[B]

Is a little creepy.

[A]

That's really creepy.

[B]

Yeah. And some of them are venomous, right?

[A]

Yeah, a lot of them are. Even some of the, like, real tiny ones. Like, you're not allowed to leave your laundry outside at night because there's. I don't remember what the name of it is. It's this little spider that gets in your clothes and it's venomous.

[B]

Jeez. Yeah, yeah, I'll try not to do that while I'm out there.

[A]

Don't leave your clothes outside.

[B]

I'm going to not be outside as much right now.

[A]

You.

[B]

I'm going to be at the zoo and go straight back to the hotel.

[A]

The zoo's so cool. You'll love that zoo.

[B]

Yeah, I'm pumped. I'm big on animals.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You got any pets?

[A]

I do. I've got two English staffies.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are those big, big breeds or.

[A]

They're like. They're like mini pit bulls.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, Yeah. I got an Aussie shepherd and a golden retriever.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

Yeah. I want to get a guard dog.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah, those. Those, like, seem useful these days.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

You know, for sure get. You get weird stalkers ever or, like, weird people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like even me. Yeah. I'm not like. I feel like girls get it worse, but, yeah, even myself. I'm weird people sometimes. So it's just part of the social media game, Right.

[A]

I think they kind of feel like they know you when they hear you talking. Especially like with you doing a podcast and stuff, they start to feel like they totally know you. And then it's like, with me, it's like they see pictures and stuff online all the time or videos when I'm out and about, and they feel like they know you when they actually don't know you. So it's a little creepy.

[B]

Parasocial relationship.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. It's part of the little side effect of the social media game.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think overall it's worth it, though.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, there's a lot of great people I meet.

[A]

That's awesome.

[B]

What's the main focus for you the rest of the year?

[A]

So my main focus is obviously my calendar, getting that done. I'm working on putting together a burlesque showgirl style show with a casino.

[B]

Oh, nice.

[A]

Right now, I can't say much about it yet because we're still, like, working on contracts and stuff, but working on that. And then we're just building our tattoo shop bigger and better now. Like, smiles and cries tattoo. Like, my husband and I own that and We've just put everything into that, so we've been building that.

[B]

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[A]

We are traveling to a couple like Mexico for a tattoo convention in October. And I'm doing some model coaching and stuff too. So that's. That's pretty much the rest of my year. Doing some traveling to New York, Nashville.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Australia, Mexico.

[B]

Sounds like. Sounds like a fun year.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I'm doing about the same, actually.

[A]

That's awesome.

[B]

New York. I'll be at Australia. You said Mexico.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And what was the other one? Nashville.

[A]

Nashville.

[B]

I've already been there, so. Yeah.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

We have similar destinations.

[A]

Yes. I love Nashville. That's one of my favorite places.

[B]

Nashville's right now for me. Nashville's top three. It's crazy in the country.

[A]

Easy how big it's getting. Like it was. It's always been one of my favorite places, but the last time I was there, the main drag there was busier than the Vegas strip. I was like going on, I was like, I think Nashville is just like blowing up.

[B]

Yeah. Good music scene, good food scene. I'm sure there's a good tattoo scene.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Good people.

[A]

It's fun.

[B]

Yeah. It's hard to beat.

[A]

Definitely.

[B]

Nashville, Vegas and I'll say Miami's the weather. Nashville, Vegas to visit. Yeah. I would throw Miami there, I guess.

[A]

I haven't been to Miami in so long.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's my top three right now.

[A]

I'm going to have to go back there.

[B]

Yeah. You don't like it there or.

[A]

It felt very 80s to me the last time I was there. But it's been a while. It's a while. So it's seriously probably been like 12 years. So I'm like, oh, that is a long time. I need to make it back.

[B]

Yeah. The humidity and the pricing is pretty crazy, right? But it's good.

[A]

I used to go out there to shoot with Bunny Yeager, who used to shoot all Bettie Page's pictures and stuff. So once she passed away, I. I stopped going out there, honestly, because I was usually always going out there to shoot with her. So that was my. My big draw to Miami.

[B]

That makes sense. It's hard to be Vegas. Like, I can't think of many places better.

[A]

I keep trying to leave Vegas and I keep ending up back here. Like, I tried to leave numerous times and I always end up back here because it's. It's such a, like, great place with like the Internet, especially doing entertainment, being in the entertainment industry. There's always something going on and everybody always wants to come to Vegas to visit you. So you don't have to go anywhere because everybody always comes here to see you. But like, there's always something to do and there's always good food and there's always good entertainment and so. And it's just convenient, you know, when you move. When I moved to Australia, it was like, things closed at like 7 o', clock, so I had to plan my day about when I went to the grocery store and when I did certain things because everything closed early.

[B]

That's early.

[A]

Yes. And so like Vegas, it's. I mean, definitely things have changed since, you know, Covid and everything. Things close earlier now, but it's still.

[B]

It's still popping on many hours of the day. Yeah. I'm by Chinatown and stuff's open there till like 2 to 3am you know, if you want a late night snack, you could probably go to a show. Every day of the year a different show. Same with restaurants.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

I just saw Backstreet Boys. There's so many good magic shows. Yeah. You never run out.

[A]

I want to go see the wizard of Oz.

[B]

I want to see that.

[A]

I haven't seen that yet, but I want to.

[B]

Yeah. This. Have you been to the Sphere yet? What?

[A]

I haven't. I know, I know. I see it all the time, but I. I guess it's just because.

[B]

Yeah, I put it off for a while. Backstreet Boys last week was my first time.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But it lived up to the hype.

[A]

Did it? Okay. Good.

[B]

It feels wild in there.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then I have to go to. I want. I really want to do the wizard of Oz one. I'm excited to see that.

[B]

Definitely go there. I got to hear what your favorite show is in Vegas.

[A]

That's a hard one.

[B]

You can list a few. It doesn't have to be one.

[A]

Well, it kind of depends, like, what style show I've. It's hard because I've done a lot of guest spots, like guest headlining and some of the shows out here. So, like, ex Burlesque and country are like. Those are, like, near and dear to my heart since I danced in them. One of my favorite magic shows, though, is Piff. Yeah, Piff the Magic Dragon. Have you seen that?

[B]

Not yet.

[A]

Oh, my God. You gotta see it. It's so.

[B]

I'll check it out.

[A]

I heard Flamingo.

[B]

Yeah, I heard of it.

[A]

It's awesome. It's a comedy magic show. And usually magic shows, I'm like. But this one's really good.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, some magic shows feel, like, redundant.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I will say David Blaine, though. Have you seen that one?

[A]

Oh, wait, wait, is. Was that over at Rio?

[B]

No, it's at the Win.

[A]

Okay. So, no, I haven't.

[B]

Yeah, that one was nuts.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I mean, do you know who that is?

[A]

I've heard the name, but I don't know. Honestly, like, I'm not really big.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So that's why I. Like, even when I saw Piff, I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna go, if I'm gonna like this. And I saw it and I was like, I recommend it to everybody.

[B]

Yeah, it was so good. Okay. David Blaine is not really magic. Magic.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, there. There wasn't many, like, deck of card tricks.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He was sticking. I don't want to spoil it too.

[A]

Much, but, like, just say, you got to go.

[B]

I'll spoil one, because it was insane. He stuck a ice pick all the way through his arm.

[A]

What?

[B]

Had one of the people in the audience pull it out.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Yeah. So just cool shit like that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, if you're not into bloody stuff, then that one. Close your eyes. But also, when he starts the show, I don't want to spoil it, but. Yeah, check it out, check it out, check it out. Yeah.

[A]

You go see Piff and I'll go see.

[B]

We'll trade show ideas.

[A]

Perfect.

[B]

We should trade some restaurants, too. Are you a big foodie?

[A]

I love.

[B]

I love food. I love.

[A]

I need to stop loving food.

[B]

I order Postmates at least Once a day.

[A]

Do you?

[B]

It's so bad.

[A]

My son does. I'm like, stop.

[B]

I wish I could cook. I just. So busy.

[A]

Like that's how it is with me. Like, I've been doing the meal prep stuff.

[B]

I used to do that meal prep because.

[A]

So I try to eat a little bit healthier, but again, we're still like especially all over the place.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The tattoo shop and everything. But Mayfair is one of my favorite.

[B]

Mayfair Supper club. I haven't tried it yet. What? Heard of it.

[A]

Stop it. You gotta go.

[B]

Yeah, I heard of it because it.

[A]

Has a show too.

[B]

Oh, it does?

[A]

Yeah. If you go like later in the night.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Got a show and food.

[B]

So it's like Delilah.

[A]

It is. It's like Delilah, but it's a little different.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I. I think Mayfair. I like Mayfair a little better than Delilah.

[B]

Got it. Mayfair.

[A]

That is both very high end and very nice and retro and. But I think I like Mayfair a little.

[B]

Okay. That's in Bellagio, right? Yes. Okay. I'll definitely add that to the list.

[A]

What's your favorite?

[B]

Oh, so many good ones. Depends on the cuisine. What's your favorite cuisine?

[A]

I like Mexican.

[B]

Mexican. I like Thai. Mexican. The one in Aria. Javier.

[A]

Oh, yeah, Javier.

[B]

That's my favorite Mexican.

[A]

That's really good.

[B]

And then Thai. Lotus of Siam.

[A]

Oh, yes.

[B]

So good. Is that your go to?

[A]

That's that one. And then. Oh, my gosh. What's it called? They just opened one on Sahara next to Golden Steer.

[B]

Golden Steer. Solid. There's a Thai spot in that plaza.

[A]

Yes, it just opened and it's bomb. And they've got four of them in Vegas. I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head right now.

[B]

Is it Latai?

[A]

No, but that one's awesome too.

[B]

Lai too. Yeah, I ordered that one on Postmates.

[A]

There's three. I like that.

[B]

Damn. You gotta remember it off camera and tell me.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. I'll definitely.

[B]

I love Thai.

[A]

Okay. It's so good.

[B]

Yeah, Thai is solid. What's your favorite casino restaurant? Wise to eat up overall.

[A]

That I really like the Virgin.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

I know.

[B]

That's a hot take. So you like the Nobu in there? You like the.

[A]

I do like the Nobu. I like the steakhouse. Also they have a Mexican restaurant in there right now that I haven't tried yet, but that I definitely want to go and try.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I think it's because I go. I go over there a lot and I also like doing stuff that's off the Strip sometimes, you know, because it's just like, the whole process of going down to the strip and the parking.

[B]

I'm more of an off strip guy. You'll find me at Red Rock. You'll find me at, like, Green Valley Ranch, Durango, even Fountain Blue.

[A]

Durango has some of the best restaurants.

[B]

The food court, too.

[A]

Oh, my God, So good.

[B]

Irv's burgers.

[A]

Everything there. Yeah, everything there is so good.

[B]

Yeah. Durango might be.

[A]

I think, actually, you know what? Yeah, it's pretty good.

[B]

I usually say, like, Aria or Venetian.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because Venetian has.

[A]

They all do. They all have good stuff.

[B]

Yeah, they all do. It's tough. And Venetian's about to add that Kobe Cote steakhouse.

[A]

Steakhouse.

[B]

Yeah. Which is, like, insane. I heard.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I'm pumped. And they have expot. And they have that Asian spot. MOD32.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Oh, my God. So good. Even Miz Nyon is good there. Have you had that? It's like a. Not even. It's like, part of the food court.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. That's what's solid. But, yeah, I could talk food for days. People are like, what's wrong with these people?

[A]

You're like, I'm hungry.

[B]

And I rank Vegas because I always ask guests. This your favorite city to eat in.

[A]

My favorite city to eat in Vegas is definitely.

[B]

I rank Vegas.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Up there with New York.

[A]

Definitely.

[B]

Louisiana.

[A]

Definitely.

[B]

Yeah. Vegas is out there because we import all the best food.

[A]

I feel like we do. I mean, everywhere, there's everything here. You know what I mean? And it's. It's pretty convenient to get to. To for the most part.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Because even sushi, you think we're in the desert, the sushi is not good. But people fly in.

[A]

They fly it in every day. That's what they said.

[B]

Yeah. Do you do omakase ever?

[A]

I have not had that.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Where is that one?

[B]

There's a bunch. It's not a restaurant. It's a style.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

So, like, they'll give you. It's like private chefs, and they'll give you a sushi.

[A]

I have heard of that. Yes. No, I haven't done it, though.

[B]

Yeah, that's a vibe.

[A]

Oh, yeah. For sure.

[B]

How's the parenting life? Three kids, you said?

[A]

Yes. It's. It's rough.

[B]

Yeah. I like honesty.

[A]

I'm brutally honest with that. Yes. I have three kids, and it. I always thought, like, I can't wait till, you know, my kids turn 18. So I can. They can stay home and watch the house, and I can go and travel And I can have them watch the dogs and stuff? Oh, absolutely not. Like it's, it's way harder. Like when they turn, when they get to be an adult, then you get adult problems. We still have one that's 16, so she's, you know, in that teenage years. But the other two, it's the adult problems really.

[B]

What are adult problems? Medical bills or.

[A]

Well, my daughter had a baby.

[B]

So you're a grandmother.

[A]

I am, I'm a grandma.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You don't look like one.

[A]

Thank you. Appreciate it. Honestly, I'm so stoked on it though. He's the raddest little boy. Like he's so rad. But yeah, just like just decisions that, you know, you make as a young adult that you.

[B]

Yeah, just partying and it is a stressful age range. Like that college era of becoming like an adult.

[A]

Well, especially in Vegas, cuz everything's so accessible here and you can get yourself in a lot of trouble out here.

[B]

You could get lost in those ages. I easily could have went the other way. And I was for a little bit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In college.

[A]

Well, I have one kid that's going one way and one going the other way. Like, how did you guys grow up in the same house? And you guys are complete opposites where it's just party animal and lone wolf.

[B]

That always fascinated me with like twins or siblings, how they could be so different. Yeah, but they grow up in the same house.

[A]

It's crazy. I mean, my brother and I are like that though. We're total, total opposite. And I just don't understand how it's even possible because it's like you grew up with the same parents and same rules, very similar ages. And I'm like, how is that? I mean, I guess it's just your friends and stuff that you meet along the way too, and the experiences you have outside of your home that help.

[B]

You, you know, that would be the only difference I'd imagine. It's the friend group and the decisions you made outside of the house, Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it could have been that, huh? Were you strict with their friends growing up, who they could hang out with?

[A]

Yeah, I think so. I think my parents were very strict on me, so I didn't want to be like overly strict.

[B]

Your parents were like helicopter parents?

[A]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I couldn't do anything and so. And I remember always telling myself, like, oh, I want to be a parent that is still like holds their ground, but I want my kids to be able to tell me anything. So like, in case like, I don't want them lying to me. If they're gonna go to a party and drink, I would rather know that they're at this party and gonna drink than not knowing something happened. And I don't know where they're at.

[B]

Facts. Yeah, I'm the same way.

[A]

But it's like. But then again, like, I think kids just naturally, when you are. The parents figure that they. They think you're going to say no, or they're. They just get weird unless you're, like, super close to them. So it's like. It's that weird balance of being their friend and being a parent. And some parents go too far one way where they'll, like, be their best friend and, you know, give them alcohol and do this and do that and try to be their friend instead of being a parent. And some parents are so strict on being a parent, they don't have that connection with their kid as a friend. So it's that weird little balance in the middle to do that. And then even when, like, my kids became an adult, they're still scared to be, like, honest about things. But I'm like, you. Whatever decisions you make now, those are your decisions, and you're gonna pay the consequences for them. Well, I'm not paying the consequences for them, you know, so it's kind of on them. And so when they finally realize that, where it's like, I'm always going to be on your side and I'll always help you, I want you to make the right decisions, but, you know, I'm still going to help you. I'm your mom, right?

[B]

Yeah. You got to take accountability, right? At a certain point, yes. So at 18, were you a little more strict with that?

[A]

Well, I feel like I'm. I feel like I'm pretty strict with all of my kids, but I do try to. I feel I'm, like, a little more lenient than my parents ever were. I want them to. I'm not like, you can't dye your hair a certain color and, like, stupid stuff like that. Like, my parents are like, you can't change your hair color. You can't do this. You can't do that. Like, I let my kids be who they want to be, and anything they say they want to do, I'm like, yeah, you can do that. Like, if you. That's what you want to be and you dream to be that, 100%, go for it, you know?

[B]

Yeah, you're so right, though, because growing up, I had friends on both spectrums. Like, I had the guy that Their dad let them have parties at the house, bought them alcohol, and he's miserable. And then I had strict parents with academics, and the kids were just miserable. They were studying all day. They had no free time. So somewhere in the middle is a spot.

[A]

Yeah, I feel like it is. But then you never know what's right or wrong, because, like I said, one of my kids is way this way and the other one's way this way, and the other one's right in the middle. Right now, she hasn't really gone either way, but she's still 16. 16.

[B]

So, yeah, I bet it does make you, like, have what if moments, right?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, what if I did that differently and you're just replaying.

[A]

I feel like that always happens, but, like, you don't get a manual when you get a kid. You know what I mean? And it's like, I had my. My oldest daughter really young, and so she was. I was. She was growing up with me. You know what I mean? And it's like, now, you know, I feel like. I don't know. I had my kids young. It's one of those things where I was like, I always want. I didn't want to be an old mom.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And so I was. I wanted to have my kids young. But then I feel like I missed kind of my childhood. Not childhood, but, like, young adult years, because I was. Had to be responsible. But then I think about it in another way, and I'm like, well, I probably wouldn't have gotten as far as I've gotten, because the time that I did have, I hustled hard to, like, do what I wanted to do and progress. And, like, I never. I was never off partying and screwing around while all my friends were out doing that. Like, I. I was, like, being a mom. And then the second I had a free chance, I was work, work, work, work, work. And so I'm a workaholic.

[B]

Yeah, I'm a workaholic, too. I think there's pros and cons to having kids young.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I chose to wait till about 30 myself.

[A]

Good. I think that's actually perfect age.

[B]

Yeah. Just so I could get my finances right. Because I see some of my friends now having kids, and it's tough, dude. Like, it's like they can't even afford formula, some of them. And it's just, like, really stressful. You know what I mean? I didn't want to deal with that. I wanted to, like, buy a house, make sure everyone's chilling. You're smart, you know? So I was more calculated. Yeah, I was more calculated with it. But I think having them young is also. There's a lot of benefits too.

[A]

Yeah, I think because like, having them older, like, I couldn't even imagine like having a brand new baby now. I mean, I have my grandbaby, so I see how difficult it is, but it's like I don't have the patience anymore, you know, like, as a kid, like you, you're a little more easygoing and stuff. Now I'm just like, I don't have the patience for it.

[B]

I feel that.

[A]

But then again, now I'm a lot more stable than I was when I had my kids young. And it's like I could give them more now, you know, so it's. I guess you can't really win on it. Yeah, there's no good and bad on, you know, on both sides.

[B]

Yeah. Everyone's situation is different. There's no perfect age. Like, I don't know.

[A]

I kind of feel like though, like in your, like, early 30s is ideal.

[B]

That's why I feel like. I personally agree because your brain develops until 26, so you're fully formed by then. Then hopefully you're out of debt by then from college or whatever. So your finances are good, you got life experience. By then you probably dated multiple people, you know, you know what you want. So I think around. Yeah, traveled. So I think around 30 is pretty solid.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Also, women are on a clock, so you can't be too much later than that too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, because they say to stop around 35 having kids.

[A]

They say, I mean, I mean, girls are having babies like way later now. I mean, I think there's a lot more complications, but I think they also can monitor things a lot better now too.

[B]

So.

[A]

I don't know. I think I. I have a lot of friends that are trying to have babies like way later.

[B]

Really? In their 40s?

[A]

Yes. That's scary.

[B]

That's scary.

[A]

Yeah, it's super scary. I mean, I. I guess I think a lot of. I mean, maybe it's because I'm in the entertainment industry. So a lot of women, like, they're just like career, career, career, and they don't want to have kids because they think that holds you back or whatever they think, you know, and I think they start to get to the age where they're not going to be able to and they get scared and they're like, oh my God, I have to do it now. And they'll just grab whoever.

[B]

I was just gonna ask you that because I Hear this from women in the 30s.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That they feel like they're in a rush if they don't have a kid by then.

[A]

I see a lot of women like that. And so that. And it's also another thing, too. Like, I get people all the time that are like, you know, because I post pictures of my husband and my kids and stuff. And actually hides. Not hides, but it, like, keeps, like, people from bugging the crap out of me and sending me all kinds, you know, DMS of all kinds of stuff. And it's actually. I have models message me all the time going, well, why do you post pictures of your husband and your kids? And I'm like, why wouldn't I? I'm proud of them. You know what I mean? It's my family. But a lot of women think they need to hide that if they have a boyfriend or a husband or kids and stuff like that.

[B]

I do hear that.

[A]

But it's crazy because it's like, if some. They're like, well, don't you lose a lot of work because of that? And I'm like, well, if somebody is trying to hire me, be, you know, for who I am and what I do, and they're not going to hire me because I have a husband and kids, then they're obviously not hiring me because of what I. You know, they're not hiring me because of that. What they want, what I can do.

[B]

You know, it's a valid point. And I hear that in the entertainment industry, you know, so that's. That's super interesting. Yeah. The kids stuff. I've heard, like, different opinions on that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Should you provide your kids, like, more of a private life or do you want to post them?

[A]

That's a very hard one. I feel like that's a very personal thing with people, too, especially nowadays with how crazy everything's getting with, like, AI and like, things like that. I always posted because, again, it. It made. I am proud of my family, and it made my. It made stalkers and weird people actually kind of stay away from me a little bit. I noticed that.

[B]

So.

[A]

But I think it goes. It goes both ways.

[B]

Yeah. Because it makes them a target, I guess, if weird people want to message them.

[A]

Yeah. And that. That's actually happened before. My kids were visiting my parents in California, and they were on the beach, and, like, some weird stalker person came up to them. They're like, hey, Savannah, oh, my gosh, you know, blah, blah, blah. And talking to them like, they knew my kids, and my kids are like, what? But they're and then they're, like, asking about me. So then they, you know, and I wasn't there. So that things like that get really weird. But my kids are at the, you know, they know. They know that you know, the. You don't talk to people. Don't talk to strangers.

[B]

Yeah. You train them. What age did you give them phones? Was it early?

[A]

Too early? It was early, yeah. I can't remember middle school. I want to say. No, it was before that. I know, it's horrible. It was more because they took the bus sometimes for school.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And so I wanted them to have a phone in case, like, there was ever anything wrong.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, yeah, so, I mean, that makes sense. It's probably elementary school.

[B]

Yeah. I'm still battling with that. I don't even have kids yet, but I hear, like, both sides of it.

[A]

It's bad. Nowadays I feel like kids are on it way too much, and it's a hard thing to control. I mean, especially my teenager. She's on it so much, and it's like, it's. It's almost like a whole nother world. She, like, doesn't even live in reality. You know what I mean? Because it's like everything is on that phone. And I'll take her phone away, like, because I'll be like, you gotta go to bed, you know? And she has her alarm on it for school. And she will. I'll keep catching her on her phone. So I'll take her phone and buy. I bought her an alarm clock. I was like, you're gonna have an old school alarm clock. And she ended up breaking it or something.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Doing this. But she has everything written down on her phone like clockwork. Like, what she's gonna do in the morning, like, brush my teeth, brush my hair. I'm like, you gotta write that down, you know? But it was like she follows her own little schedule and, like, checks the phone to, like, keep on track to when she goes to school. But if you take that away from her, it's almost like she's lost. And I'm like, that's crazy.

[B]

It's like an extension of her.

[A]

But it's because that's all she. You know, she's had that for so long. And I feel like so many kids are like that. Like they're. They're helpless without that phone in their hand.

[B]

I'm on mine eight hours a day almost, just to be honest.

[A]

But you mean you do it.

[B]

I'm working.

[A]

And that's why I have to accept, explain to my kids, too because they're like, oh, you're on your phone all the time. And I'm like, I'm on my phone for work. Like, that makes me money. It's not that I'm just sitting there scrolling on everybody else's stuff.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm. I don't even have time to barely go through all my own stuff, let alone somebody else's, so trying to explain that to them why it's okay for me to do it and not them. It's like a whole.

[B]

They're like, sure, yeah.

[A]

Like, sure, Mom.

[B]

Yeah. No, that's, that's relatable. I think they should have them, but just with the proper guidance. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Or like how they have. I think they have like parental controls on things sometimes where it's like they can't do certain things. But nowadays it's hard to even like at school and stuff. Like, there's times where, you know, she has to message me from school and stuff and they won't, they don't even want to go and talk to the office to have them call. She's just like, I want to call you, you know.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah, it's.

[B]

I don't think I could take the SATs right now. I think my attention span is shot. Like, if I had to take a four hour test right now, I think I'd like go crazy.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's impressive how we used to be able to do that well.

[A]

And I think nowadays too, with like my daughter and she's in high school right now, and they're allowed to retake tests. So, like, if they fail the test, they're allowed to go back in and retake. And I'm like, what does that teach you? Like, what is it that you can't just retake life when you mess up on something? And so I think that's crazy. Like, it's, it's not the same. And they don't have homework anymore in her school because it stresses kids out.

[B]

Stop it.

[A]

I'm not kidding.

[B]

I hear Nevada is the second worst education system. Does she go to public school?

[A]

Yes, she does.

[B]

This all makes sense.

[A]

The best public high school that there is here, and it's, it's got supposedly some of the best teachers at it, but it's still.

[B]

I'm like, I mean, I can't believe I'm defending homework right now because I hated it. But that was just like it taught you to be kind of, you know, responsible. Responsible. You had to get it done or else you basically failed the class.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And in terms of Retaking tests. Hell, no. That was never.

[A]

Every time. Every time.

[B]

I would just fail on purpose at that point. So I could see the question.

[A]

And I don't even see them holding kids back. Like, if you fail a class or whatever, they don't even hold you back on that. So I'm like, what are we learning here? It's almost like just like babysitting, you know?

[B]

Nuts. Yeah. If I have kids here, I'm not sending them to public.

[A]

Well, I honestly feel like the only thing that is good about public school is that it teaches you how to deal with real life and deal with real people and with bullies and with, you know, every type of person there is.

[B]

I'll give it that.

[A]

And so. Because I've thought about pulling my daughter out and doing homeschool with her, you know, private school or whatever, but I'm like. And the only thing that has held me back from it because I don't even feel like she's learning as much as, like, I feel like she should be learning is the social aspect of it, because I feel like nowadays kids are so wrapped up in their phones and already have social anxiety issues and stuff like that that putting her in the. Where she has to go to school and has to deal with these types of people and know, you know, so she learns how to deal with real life. Because what happens when she gets out of school and she runs into real people?

[B]

Yeah. No, it's a good point. Homeschooling would be tough, I think, with. With your lifestyle.

[A]

I learned after Covid.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All the kids were at home doing school, and it's like, I walk into. My son's completely asleep with. With the freaking screen on, and I'm like, oh, my God. And then my daughter's just doing her own thing, and I'm like, what? None of them are doing what they're supposed to do.

[B]

There's no motivation. I've tried online class in college. Like, one of my classes was online. I failed it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, there's just no motivation.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You open up a tab and you're like, oh, let me go on YouTube.

[A]

Yeah. You get sidetracked.

[B]

Yeah. Online school. I wouldn't do that either. Hell no. You need crazy discipline for that to work.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. She doesn't have it. So I was like, nope, you're going to school.

[B]

I would say most kids don't have it these days.

[A]

I don't think so.

[B]

Like, I never struggled with it on stuff I cared about.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like school. I never gave a About. So I was. Whatever.

[A]

I liked school, I enjoyed it. I just. Yeah. I don't know.

[B]

I think like if you're passionate about it, it's not a struggle.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like you just gotta figure out and kind of guide these kids on what they like rather than teach them all the same thing. Most of them don't care about these topics.

[A]

Well, I mean, if you think about it, everything that you learned in school, like what did you actually really use in real life?

[B]

Just reading with what you do.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like there's. There's a few things, but it's just like basic. Yeah.

[B]

Stuff I learned in elementary school.

[A]

Yeah. Stuff like be, you know, being a model and a dancer and stuff. I didn't really, I mean, math. Adding up my check. You know what I mean? But it's like realistically I didn't use most of the stuff that I was doing.

[B]

99.9.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Like it should be like, what do you like to do? All right, let's tailor something. Focus on that. But they make you learn science, literature. Well, literature I guess is needed, but yeah, math is needed to a degree. Yeah, but not like the crazy precog and geometry. That's all useless. What was the other class? Were those the only requirements?

[A]

Science, math, History.

[B]

Oh, history.

[A]

Well, that's a hard one to talk about because everything gets changed.

[B]

It's programmed. It's not actual history, it's not objective. It's written in favor of the victor.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So do you really need to learn that? I don't know. It didn't really affect my life learning about that stuff. And then I found out later most of it was bs. All these wars we're fighting now, you know, people regret it. It's crazy.

[A]

It's very crazy.

[B]

But congrats cuz 3 kids, that's not easy. So well done. Thank you, Saudis. Especially in the entertainment industry and being in Vegas and when the public school systems against you.

[A]

So yeah, it's definitely hard.

[B]

Yeah. Well done. Well doing it. Where can people find you, support you? And check out the tattoo shop and everything.

[A]

So my tattoo shop is Smiles and Cries Tattoo. It's on Vegas Valley and Maryland Parkway area. And my website, Sabina Kelly.com and also my Instagram is Sabina Kelly. So that's pretty much where you can see everything that I'm doing and keep up with what I got going on.

[B]

Awesome. Check her out, guys.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Next time. Yeah. Peace. I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe it helps the show a lot with the algorithm. Thank you.