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Sam Whiting: Unlock Longevity with These Cutting-Edge Wellness Hacks | DSH #1466
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Sam Whiting
Who you are as a person and then that illumination that comes through of it and recognizing and being you. There's nothing cooler than being yourself. And that's like a mantra that I've always anchored from and has come through in a breathing practice. Like, wow, just be yourself.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah, being authentic is the best way to live, in my opinion. All right, guys, Sam Whiting here. Today we're going to talk health and wellness and lumati and you got the fancy water bottle. Thanks for coming on, man.
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Sam Whiting
Your vitality illuminated. It's great to be here with you, Sean. Thanks for having me.
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Sean Kelly
I love it. Yeah, for sure. How's your trip in Vegas been so far?
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Sam Whiting
I'd say interesting.
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Sean Kelly
That's always how it is.
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Sam Whiting
I've driven through before and, you know, a lot of stimulus. Yeah, that's really also what I find. Like it's the, that's the art and science of life. There's so much stimulus happening all the time. And here we are, 20 going into 2025, living the modern life and what a unique place to be in.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah, there's a lot going on here. Yeah. Especially at the casinos.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah, a lot of like smoke and. Well, so that's something interesting. This, this whole time here and wanting to get here to settle in and looking forward to our conversation. Like there's this theme within longevity and looking at human vitality and wellness of the exposome, what we're getting exposed to in our, in our environments and wow. To walk through a casino and they have the filtration and everything, but people are just smoking, ripping dukes walking through the casino. And then I was even looking at the rug and you know, every, people are spilling drinks, the mold that's proliferating there. So quite an impact on the physiology.
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Sean Kelly
Absolutely. Yeah. You got, got the mold, you got the lighting from the machines and they also. Each casino has their own scent that they inject into the air to make you feel a certain way. So it's, they, they have it all down to a science. The hallways are not straight lines, they're curves because they don't want you to.
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Sam Whiting
Leave little adventure when you step into those spaces. Yeah, a lot of that's also with, with dopamine and the way that's impacting you and, and keeping you, keeping you in that space. The, the hook to want to continue or chase that route.
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Sean Kelly
Absolutely. Yeah. They call it dopamine brain these days with the TikTok and the scrolling molecule of more. Yeah, I, I, I'm pretty aware of how it's changed me over the years, to be honest. Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
Well, you know, in the framework of what I like to explore in human potential possibility, how we're stepping into wellness, how we're living our lives, is this framework of understanding human behavior. And when you understand mechanism and mechanics, you become deeply empowered to steer your state of being in real time. And so understanding the environments you're placing yourself into and what the power of intention. I think really the gift of any practice or what you're doing intentionally is that you build an awareness. So it doesn't matter if you're doing breath work or if you're drinking hydrogen water, if you're going into light therapy or whatever technology, whatever practices yoga that you're engaging with. If you're creating a container of intentionality, it births this illumination of awareness to begin building a deeper understanding of yourself.
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Sean Kelly
Right.
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Sam Whiting
And really, that's a big thesis in my work exploring human potential. I like to call it a holistic hormetic approach to wellness, health and longevity. And it really encapsulates our physiology, our psychology. And then in the core of it is our self. And balancing on that is the autonomic nervous system, understanding arousal, sympathetic energy, alertness, parasympathetic calm, sleep. And. And within that holistic approach is then all of these different elements. And it, and it boils down really to stimulus, circadian rhythm. The way we're engaging with light, being in the casino, getting all of that light stimulus at 2 in the morning, that has a large impact on our circadian rhythms.
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Sean Kelly
Yep.
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Sam Whiting
And to that, that oscillation that's happening from moment to moment. I mean, I'm always fascinated of just like how what's happening with these trillions of cells in our body and the external environments we're engaging with to then how that's impacting our inner environment. And really it becomes this opportunity to continue building an understanding of our nature.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah, I like that you encompass everything, not just physical health, because a lot of people think just going to the gym is enough.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah. Well, this landscape's expanding. Like the whole theme of. Of longevity is becoming such a popular word. I. On the scientific side of things, I'm very fascinated in understanding this. And science takes time, but there's now this, this greater body of work called geroscience, which is the understanding or call it longevity. My friend, Dr. Alyssa Appel, who's at UCSF, is really one of the leading.
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Sam Whiting
Feel the drop and go code yourself. Longevity scientists and looking at what we call hormesis, or hermetic stress versus toxic stress and being in that chronic stress state, and we're now seeing the impact that that's having on cell health and thus our longevity.
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Sean Kelly
Wow.
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Sam Whiting
It really boils down to what are those acute little doses of stress? Eustress, good stress. That's building a sense of resilience. And I think that's also one of the most beautiful things about the human spirit, the human being, is that we are adaptable and we're resilient. So placing ourselves again intentionally into environments, understanding that behavioral sequence of our day as to how are we expanding in capacity and what opening ourselves up to awe and this feeling of aliveness and vitality. And really that's what we're encapsulated in the thesis at Lumadi and what we're doing with our mission to want to impact a billion lives by 2035 and making this work accessible to people, whether it's a physical space or things that you have at home and a framework. That's why we've built our app to even help people with creating that schedule and having a sense of accountability. Routine. But there also, as we know, the brain needs to be a sense of spontaneity. You know, the brain is predictive and it's always taking in this information. But if we get too much into a routine, it sort of becomes a rut. And then we're. We're in this Sense of neuroplasticity. Where then how do we change and continue to send those little hormetic doses of stimulus that are building capacity for ourselves? And it's really adaptive capacity. I like to say true readiness is your ability to respond in the moment. If you're ready, are you ready to not be ready? And that's why, like the ice bath is such a beautiful mirror and a powerful tool. Because every day is going to be different. And how are you engaging with the stimulus? How are you engaging with the stressor to then ultimately let that be a training ground to step out into the frontier of life that has all of these things coming at you that are unexpected and you've been doing the training and you've built the skill to respond.
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Sean Kelly
Right. Did you get into Ice Pass because of Wim Hof?
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Sam Whiting
Well, it really started when I was a kid. I grew up in nature. I was blessed to have that with my family. Like 600 acres of conservation land. I was out like climbing trees, riding my bike. And nature always was like a huge part of my fascination. And going to wilderness camps as a kid. And from there I met counselors who talked about, you know, different mystic arts like tai chi. I remember practicing tai chi when I was like 6 years old on VHS tape and just being curious. And I saw Wim Hof actually on Ripley's Believe it or not when I was like 8 or 10 years old, he was doing one of his Guinness World Records. And like just seeing these feats that people were doing that always captivated me to consider for myself, like, what can I do that's bigger than me? And at the time it was wanting. I was competing as an elite alpine ski racer and competing at a high level. I was exposed to a lot of different training, agility, strength training. There's a lot that goes into being, competing at those levels.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
And through that progression, I. I had some burnout and decided to retire. And as I got exposed to new modalities like yoga, I really found this fascination and this quality of leadership. And it wasn't really about being in the yoga room and doing the poses, but it was what the teacher, the instructor, at least the style in this community I was a part of. They were creating a space for people to recognize their greatness. And having growing up struggling with reading and math and having my own personal challenges in those regards. When it.
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Sean Kelly
Go anywhere without it.
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Sam Whiting
And to also competitive athletics, you know, the competition, anxiety, the burnout. Like every season I would get sick because it was just like so much pressure I felt and, and it felt like a relief to let go of that. And as I stepped into the yoga room, started kind of connecting these dots, you know, meditation, the self reflection, getting to know my nature, getting it allowed me to then have my own transformations. Letting go of anxiety, continuing to grow within myself. And from there, it felt like this palpable call to want to serve others and share. I find that with a lot of leaders and teachers, they've had their own transformational experiences that lead them to want to then share with others. And I think that's a really beautiful thing, to then step out into the world as what is a being of service and creating. Creating that access for others to see themselves and to continue to grow, to heal, to thrive.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah, that is beautiful. I've been looking into yoga this week because I just got an MRI done, and I have arthritis in my back and neck and scoliosis. So they were saying yoga could potentially help with that.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah. These pieces of mobility, I mean, even to breath work, like, that's one of the things that, from moving from. That's really what drew me into yoga, that quality of Ujjayi breath. It's a slight restriction in the glottis. It's a resonant breath. It's a very regulated breath. And vinyasa in its nature means linking breath with movement. And that pulled me into the practice. That brought me back to then wanting to go and continue the practice and thus then feeling the call to want to teach. And so breath really was always the anchor, and it is an anchor within ourselves. What I'm getting to within this is as I progressed in exploring the patterns, the practices, what really turned me on was the science of breath. Looking at the physiology of respiration, the diaphragm is really a partition between the abdominal and thoracic cavity. It's our primary breathing muscle, but it's not just doing the movement for air to come in and out of the lungs. Some of the muscle of the diaphragm is also connected to L3, L4 of the lower spine, and it's our primary balance muscle.
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Sean Kelly
Wow.
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Sam Whiting
And so I'm very bullish on strong breathing muscles. The biomechanics of breath play a huge component to our overall health and wellness.
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Sean Kelly
That's crazy. I never would imagine that it would be connected to balance breath work.
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Sam Whiting
Strong breathing muscles, a strong, robust diaphragmatic movement. Think when fighters are engaging, throwing punches, the stabilization, like it's connected to all things. How we're speaking, how we're swallowing. It's so responsive and robust. It's one of the most foundational, fundamental behaviors. If you consider that breath is a.
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Sam Whiting
Behavior. I think when someone gets surprised, there's an expression of breath or emotion and it's connection. It's really so multilayered within the brain and how that's connecting to our state of being. There's a state of being for a state of breathing. And our state of breathing also impacts our state of being.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah. So breath work super important then.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah. Like it's a connection to balance to the spine. You know, some. A lot of people, we're. We're modern humans who are seated a lot. How our posture affects the diaphragmatic movement that then. That can cause tightness in the back. But it's also a pump. It's helping to facilitate. Helping to aid peristalsis and digestion. It's massaging. Robust diaphragmatic movements are massaging the vital organs.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
Blood flow, the cerebral spinal fluid, as it's contracting, it's pumping that up through the brain. It's connected to the circulatory system. So, you know, it's not that there's one thing that's going to save or change somebody's life. I think they choose to change their life through the actions and behaviors that they take on. But indeed, breath has a foundational behavior. That's a great starting point.
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Sean Kelly
Absolutely. And then you could get fancy with it. I did some oxygen therapy. Those chambers. Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
I had a back chamber.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah. So I did a brain scan at Amen clinics and I had a tbi. So one of the.
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Sam Whiting
From an accident.
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Sean Kelly
I don't remember. It must have been when I was super young. But anyways, they told me to do the chambers as part of like the healing.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah.
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Sean Kelly
So I did that. And then I got another scan done last. Last month. It's completely gone.
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Sam Whiting
Fantastic.
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Sean Kelly
Isn't that crazy?
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Sam Whiting
Glad to hear that.
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Sean Kelly
And I hear that from a lot of fighters and boxers and athletes as well.
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Sam Whiting
Football players and just head injuries, tbi, concussion.
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Sean Kelly
Hyperbarics are powerful.
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Sam Whiting
I've seen some literature on hyperbaric being very helpful for that. There's continued emerging literature about how to support that process of healing.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
I was just looking at some literature on hydrogen as well. Not just hydrogen water, but hydrogen inhalation.
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Sean Kelly
Really?
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Sam Whiting
And so at our clinic at Lumati, we have a suite of different modalities. But hooking somebody up to a cannula and you're inhaling hydrogen.
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Sean Kelly
So you're inhaling water.
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Sam Whiting
No, the. The gas.
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Sean Kelly
Oh, the gas.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah, the gas. Hydrogen. Okay. Molecular hydrogen is H2. I mean, hydrogen on the periodic table is the first element it's the smallest element. Some scientists and people in that whole realm of literature call it the God molecule. It's the smallest thing like could go to the cosmos to then the physiology. Yeah, I've heard that within us. And it's so unique to see how to clinical setting that in most of the literature it's between 1 to 4 liters per minute of hydrogen inhaled. Some of them are very long term inhalations like they did 18 hours but the clinical dose seems to be 20 to 60 minutes of between 1 to 4 liters per minute of hydrogen. They looked at it with ischemic stroke, cardiovascular events. But it's, it's moving through the body in a unique way. A kind of scavenge through the cells to impact oxidative stress, inflammation. It can cross the blood brain barrier so bring out its impact on neuroinflammation. And they some of this research was done in, in animals but they to the brain specifically as we're talking about here. They looked at a, a rat that had brain damage and then they gave it the treatment of high dose hydrogen. And the tissue just holy crap. It's amazing to see those, the comparative slices of the tissue and see how impactful it is at healing.
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Sean Kelly
Wow. I definitely need to look into that. I've never heard of neuroinflammation. So the brain can get inflamed.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah.
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Sean Kelly
Is that from stress?
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Sam Whiting
Stress environment that how, how we're engaging and behaviorally the things that we're exposing ourselves to. And so what are these different tools that we can utilize to help continue to support balance and wellness vitality. At Lumadi we call it biostasis. You often hear homeostasis but life stasis is sort of this bigger picture perspective and how we can build an understanding of what is happening. Maybe it was something that we experienced in childhood and an event, an accident and the body responds and heals but then there's still that little whisper of, of, of damage that happens.
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Sean Kelly
Right.
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Sam Whiting
What we have a starting point of doing biometrics similarly going to get scans. We have bioenergetic scanning devices that every organ, every cell in the body has a certain frequency. And we use this bioenergetic platform that scans the body over a thousand metrics that we can look at from minerals to the health of organs to the DNA and then we can tune them with frequency. But firstly we get a roadmap of understanding from biometric perspective. A lot of the work we do at Lumati is non invasive. So we're using Scanners that look at your stroke, volume of your heart, your HRV to density of hemoglobin in your blood. And from there, you know, we're ultimately looking at what's in the body that shouldn't be there, what's not in the body that should be there. And how efficient is your cellular energetic system, your metabolics and working through this biostasis stack from the biometrics to then we're able to go in and bio recharge or biodetox first. What can we take out and how do we reset the system, the immune system, the physiology? There's some continued emerging technology. I think that's the beauty of modern times, is how AI, how visionari and innovators are able to now be disruptively stepping into the human body and helping to support wellness. Yeah, one of that I'm very excited about that's emerging and really just starting is blood filtering technology. And so there's this clinical data now that's coming out that by getting hooked up to this blood filter, we're deploying this going into 2025 on, you know, a global scale to make this accessible to people. That the preliminary clinical data is showing that it can remove not only bacterias from the body and viruses, but circulating tumor cells stacked with this filter with the ability to also remove glyphosate, microplastics and forever chemicals.
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Sean Kelly
That's powerful.
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Sam Whiting
And so that's one of our big sides of work at Lumati, is in supporting people, making this type of technology accessible, that we can reset and detox the body as a starting point after understanding what's happening from a biometric perspective and then be able to go into biorecharge and utilize light technologies or amplifying frequencies that tune and tone the organ systems. You know, traditional Chinese medicine, the ancient wisdoms, you know, it's like the blending of ancient with modern science together now. Like, what a fascinating time that we now have accessibility and contribution from science and visionaries. But then these whispers from eternity, if you will, that, you know, they've already known all along, these simple things that you can do to be able to continue to support that, that sense of balance in the body.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
And circulation.
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Sean Kelly
What.
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Sam Whiting
What organ isn't functioning at its optimal level and how can we boost that and bring you back to your optimal self, your most vital self.
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Sean Kelly
That is so cool. I love how you're mixing both modalities. Yeah. The light stuff is fascinating because if you look at scans of like tumors, there's no light going through the Organ. Right.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah. Well, what I was talking about before with Dr. Alyssa Appel's work with this whole perspective of geroscience and specifically to now longevity, you know, you can now get a biological age and they call that Horvath's clock. There's, there's a lot of different metrics and, and science takes time. Indeed. So it's, there's not a definitive scientific agreement on like what is it exactly that is giving us a clear picture of what our inner age is. But the real consensus right now is mitochondrial health, inflammation, telomeres and our epigenome and to what you're speaking about with light technology. The emerging data on that is. And the continued conversations that I hear from leaders in the space are about this mitochondrial health and how do we continue to support that, to consider from this exposome perspective of toxins and things that are impacting us. Glyphosate, it's currently being found at 2 parts per billion in rain even.
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Sean Kelly
Gee.
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Sam Whiting
And we know that glyphosate totally destroys the gut microbiome, but it also kills mitochondria.
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Sean Kelly
Wow.
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Sam Whiting
The powerhouse of the cell. This, this engine of creating vital energy for the body. And what I love about the research that's emerging on light technologies, red light, but also full spectrum light, is that it's helping to stimulate the cell and, and cultivate that proliferation of, of ATP for mitochondria.
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Sean Kelly
Beautiful. That is crazy. I used to be. I got memories of me as a kid just drinking the rainwater, like sticking my tongue out. And now there's glyphosate in it. And you're just. That's being absorbed through the skin, right?
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Sam Whiting
Yeah, the skin. From water on the skin or in things that we're drinking and foods that we're eating. It's, it's all around us.
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Sean Kelly
Is there a way to. Are we in too deep on the glyphosate or is there a way to kind of get rid of it? You think.
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Sam Whiting
It'S a good question. I think that conversation is continuing to become more of a, a norm. I mean we're seeing those shifts. Somebody like rfk, who's been a huge proponent of environmental protection and now understanding its implications on health. Leaders like Dr. Zach Bush, who's been very inspiring to this message of humans coming back to that remembering of seeing beauty and finding meaning and this continuous cycle that we're on that know the path as we continue to walk it is, is, is wreaking havoc and impacting us.
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Sean Kelly
Right.
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Sam Whiting
A lot of his research was done about microbiome and the impact glyphosate is having on that. But there. There are like subtle and simple ways of coming. He's. He created his own supplement which is helping to. It's called Intelligence of Nature.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
And what they've seen clinically with that, it's. It's fulvic acid, this terahydrite mixture that has. Yeah. Fulvic acid in it. And that's helping to. To strengthen the tight junctions in the gut lining. And glyphosate is breaking all of that down. So there are things, external tools like. Like those supplements that can help. Now the. With this emerging data from the blood filtering technology that we're deploying that you can remove it from the blood.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
And. And then being aware of where environments that you're putting yourself in and hopefully then large organ organizations and leaders in the space that are helping to push back on that. I mean, isn't it. How crazy. It's interesting to consider the impact of wanting to beautify our lawn and kill off weeds or spray certain foods. And what's that now at more of a macro impact to human life and to not just human life, but to general humanity and the planet.
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Sean Kelly
For real. I remember using RAID as a kid just on. On insects. And it's like, why was I even doing that? You know, it's an insect killer, right?
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Sam Whiting
Yeah. I mean, all these little things that maybe are like easy access to. What is our perception of. Of, you know, our home and, and taking care that it's actually having a negative impact.
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Sean Kelly
Absolutely. Yeah. I feel like I'll like. Even with my home now, I don't want any pesticides.
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Sam Whiting
How do we keep getting closer to nature?
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Sean Kelly
Yeah. The trade off is we just had a lot of. We have a pomegranate tree and there's a lot of spiders and stuff all over the place. But I'd rather eat as natural as possible.
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Sam Whiting
You know, stay close to nature.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
That's how I seek to live my life. And I think there's something important about that. We. We get so removed and disconnected from it. I don't share that in knocking like the modern world, we're blessed to have technology and how can we deliberately utilize it and engage with it while also maintaining that sense of balance and connection to something bigger than ourselves?
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Sean Kelly
Yep. When I go to farmer's markets, I feel so, like, happy. You know, I just feel in touch with nature. Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
Being in a city was coming to Vegas and being around all the stimulus as we started talking about here. And I Mean, I live, I live pretty remote in nature and waking up, having my own routine to get my bare feet on the ground, natural light on my skin to start the day with a breathwork, practice. And, and there's a natural polarity, our connection to the earth. Then of course, we do have technologies like PMF and how that can help ground and recharge the body. This bioenergetic work is interesting because I like to imagine it metaphorically like a battery. And consider with your cell phone, if you're out driving and you're on the back roads, when you have very low service, your phone starts to use a lot of energy to try to get that signal. And it's similarly to the organs. If there's not a good signal communicating from the heart or from other organs through the nervous system to the body, it's starting to use a lot of energy to try to communicate and send those messages. And just like when you're out on those hills trying to have that phone call, your battery depletes very quickly. So to this whole theme of back to nature by grounding the body, utilizing technology, if you're in a city, pmf, other the light technologies, the bioenergetics can be great modern solutions to be able to support that sense of keeping the body battery charged.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah, well, that makes a lot of sense because when you look at lifespan and you look at it by geographic region, city people live a little less. Right. It's a lot of like pollution, light and you know, 5G Wi Fi exposure.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah. I mean that, those are emerging things. I continue to hear about what the impact of, of that on the system and.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
How do we, how, how do we, how can we keep, take, continue to take care in this modern world? And I think that's where the education, the awareness, the communities that were, are building and forming together of, of wanting, seeing the possibility that, that we can live a vibrant, healthy life.
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Sean Kelly
Right.
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Sam Whiting
I think the three real fundamentals of the human spirit is food, shelter and companionship. And within that, how do we continue to open up those possibilities for people and tell those stories? I think the essence of a human being here to be on a podcast together. We're, we're, we're, we're storytellers.
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Sean Kelly
Absolutely.
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Sam Whiting
We learn so much from each other. And that's why I, I love to listen to people, to hear what they're experiencing in their life. And you know, compared to going to the doctor and having that five minutes where they're just getting through and they're on their schedules, I mean there's things to. To shift and evolve there. I think there's so much possibility that we're. It's a paradigm shift of moving from sick care to actually, what is health care? What is health span? And how can we be more preventative by understanding this access into supporting that illumination of somebody's vitality.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah, there's definitely, definitely a shift.
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Sam Whiting
Right.
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Sean Kelly
Especially with rfk. This is the first time I remember government really getting involved in health like this.
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Sam Whiting
I think it's an exciting time. I mean, he's been a contribution in his own challenges to stand up. I mean, for leaders to choose to go against the grain of what, um, naturally things are going to have pushback and, and powerful enemy, for sure.
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Sean Kelly
Same with you, though. You know, it's a brave mission you're on.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah. Thank you. And when I got started teaching yoga to then teach after spending years traveling with WIM HOF and, and teaching breathwork and cold immersion, when I first got into it, you know, I was the first ever certified WIM HOF method instructor in New England at the time. And. And it was so exciting because I'm so passionate about it. And as I started putting workshops out there, my friends and community, they were seeing me posting on Instagram, hiking a mountain with no shirt on or getting into the frozen rivers, and they're like, what is Sam doing? It's a different way of living and engaging with nature in these ways that for some people think is like, whoa. Well, that's uncomfortable. I could never do that. But I also acknowledge that's something beautiful about what Wim's mission has been from his story and how he's progressed and went from a circus freak to a scientific breakthrough in his own conviction. And his mission to want to help people be strong, happy and healthy.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
And my mission has always been to make these types of practices, tools, modalities, accessible and approachable to everybody. And indeed, in those early days with my excitement of wanting to share with others to more. So be an invitation to that and not forcing it on anybody. I love that phrase. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.
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Sean Kelly
So true.
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Sam Whiting
Just being able to listen to somebody, be present, continue on my own conviction of what I feel in myself by doing these practices and living, choosing how I live my life. And that ends up becoming contagious.
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Sean Kelly
Oh, yeah.
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Sam Whiting
And, you know, you're making choices to live your life in a certain way, and people notice that, and then they start to recognize, oh, you have that. I want that too. And sometimes it takes a certain, you know, drastic thing to happen, whether it's an accident or some chronic thing that comes up and wow, for how hard we can spend our whole lives trying to accumulate wealth and then. Or. And be in that grind nine to five and just fully immersed in like building a career that. That actually can end up becoming so deleterious on our health that we spend the latter parts of our lives after we've accumulated that wealth and have to spend all our money on our. To help have our health.
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Sean Kelly
See that all the time. Wow.
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Sam Whiting
It's like the heart of the matter to recognize, like, how precious life is and to choose to live it fully. We can get so distracted and pulled into these things that are impacting our perception of what's possible. And I think that's where community and creating platforms to share these stories and being there for others and choosing to be there for yourself too. Put your oxygen mask off on first and then be able to serve and support others too.
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Sean Kelly
Absolutely. That's why nature is so important too, because you just feel so present whenever you're there. I got to hear about some of these journeys you had with Wim.
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Sam Whiting
Ah, we've had some fun. Well to that point though, just being in nature. It's amazing that even in Japan, doctors prescribe people to just go out into nature.
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Sean Kelly
I've heard that that's really cool. I never heard of someone doing that over here. You know, we need to take some of that for sure. You feel so just grounding. You can almost feel it, you know, when you're grounding out outside in some grass. Feels amazing.
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Sam Whiting
They say touch grass these days.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah, it's hard to get. Get some out in Vegas, but I go to like the dirt path I guess out here.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah. The desert energy is unique. The dryness, the. It's wild to then feel that heat, but then at night and how it gets cold.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah. Were you, were you scared or nervous on the first journey with Whim? Like, what were you feeling mentally?
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Sam Whiting
It's exciting and fun to be around Whim. He's so charismatic and I mean, I remember the first time being with him physically, in person, like just such a force of nature. You can see that in him. And my first thought when I did lay eyes on him was like, wow. Thinking of his ascent to the death zone, Mount Everest, wearing just shorts and not no oxygen and yeah, we've had some unique adventures from our time in Colorado. Hiking and you know, the exposure hike is a really traditional thing in the Wim HOF practice. Going out in shorts or for women's sports bra, um, and exposed to the elements and just going out for a hike and connecting to nature in that way. And we were with our group through with the WIM HOF Academy doing our final portion of the training. And we went to do the exposure hike that day and the whole group, we all circled up to get ready to do a horse stance and build some energy up together. And as we started on the trail, Wim took his shoes off. And here we are at like 11,000ft in Colorado hiking to the Broom Hut which is outside of Winter park. And he did the entire hike barefoot. We were trudging through snow, up over our knees.
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Sean Kelly
Oh my gosh.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah, we were outside for quite a long time doing this ascent. And then at the top we even did exposure into like a spring that was still trickling. That water was like below freezing.
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Sean Kelly
Whoa.
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Sam Whiting
And the whole time out there exposed just in shorts and to considered Wim did that entire thing barefoot. I love to do barefoot hikes and go out in the snow and just engage with, with that cold on my feet. Yeah, I think it's nice. I'd like to put on that Baja men who let the dogs out. So I think it's. You got to let, let the dogs free a little bit. I like to call the feet, but just yeah, imagine and to think. I mean for Wim to show that it's not the mind, the sky isn't the limit, it's the mind. And that's been a huge part of what he's pioneered to show people wow. And to consider. It's like with the, the four minute mile, you know, we perceive something to not be possible until someone does it. And then there's this domino effect of, of that, that portal of possibility opening. And so different visionaries and leaders and people who have done these feats kind of allow us to stretch our minds and step into a place of wow. Well, what's possible for me then.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah, Limiting beliefs. Right. Happens in any, every aspect of life. I remember when he got injected with that disease and he breath that was like mind blowing to me.
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Sam Whiting
That was a exciting time in science at Radabad University when they were ultimately studying thousands of people and the immune response and injecting them with the endotoxin. And Wim then came along saying, well, I can self regulate. I have the ability. The autonomic nervous system can be consciously regulated or controlled. And so he went into the laboratory setting and the paper was published early 2000s. Voluntary activation of the autonomic nervous system and attenuation of the innate immune system in humans. And it was quite a breakthrough study and a huge, I mean whim loves the science and that was a big snowball effect to then look. Wow. We've been able to take these ancient practices, breath work, cold immersion, power of the mind into this framework to see that we actually can impact our physiology in this way and attenuate the inflammatory response. And naturally what would come up with an injection of a dead bacteria in the body to have that flu like symptom as everyone else had experienced in that cohort. And he had maybe a minor headache for a moment.
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Sean Kelly
Crazy.
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Sam Whiting
But just through utilizing breath and as we talked about earlier, breath stimulating your way of being, it's a direct link, it's a key into the autonomic nervous system and through those specific patterns, sort of ramping the system up into a sympathetic innervation which is deploying a little noradrenaline and thus mechanistically impacting the way that inflammation is dampened. You have those anti inflammatory responses that then dampened that flu like response.
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Sean Kelly
Phenomenal. Have you been able to get to that point with your breathwork training?
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Sam Whiting
Well, I practice breath and on a daily level I think once you see something, you can't not see it. So an awareness to breath is always a starting point in my perspective. Having an awareness of breath as a movement, as breath as a behavior, what pathways you're utilizing throughout the day, understanding your state of being and am I, where am I in the state that I want to be in and if not then how can I shift that? And breath for me is a direct access into doing so. With deeper breath journeys like a WIM HOF practice or transformational kind of connected breathing patterns. They are very and indeed quite psychophysiological. We're, we're shifting chemistry, we're shifting neural activity in the brain. There's emerging studies that are looking at connected breathing in this way to a psychedelic experience. Yeah, you see that with groups where there's emotional release. Sometimes you see colors or things come to you, whether they be downloads or how we're tapping into these deeper parts of the brain and the deeper parts of ourselves. You don't have to do a breath practice like that every day. Maybe it's once a month. But for me there's a baseline of different breath practices. I think strong breathing muscles to what we spoke about earlier is an important part of a daily practice.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah, I've seen one breath work. I don't know what it's called, but you take one breath a minute and apparently after like 20, 30 minutes, you just start hallucinating.
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Sam Whiting
Just slow regulated pattern and dropping into like just these deeper physiological states.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
Mental states.
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Sean Kelly
And people have reported they hallucinate more off that than like a psychedelic.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah.
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Sean Kelly
That's how strong it is.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah. The literature and the anecdotal experiences are there. I mean breath, breath is real and, and people are feeling that, connecting to it. It's, it's been inspiring and exciting to see that wave continue to build and the continued research that's happening. I was just down in Virginia a few last month with some friends and mentors in the breath neurobiology field and it's amazing to consider. So Dr. Jack Feldman, who's at UCLA, he's really the godfather of breathing neurobiology, has become a close friend over the years and he's accredited with discovering the neural origins of breathing. It's called the Pre Botzinger complex and it's in the brainstem and it's this cluster of neurons that send a burst signal, it's the inspiratory signal that then communicates down to the phrenic nerve to contract the diaphragm. And that was discovered back in 1980.
- [42:19]
Sean Kelly
Wow.
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Sam Whiting
1980S. So now an understanding of where these neural activities are happening, the way it's projecting up into different layers of the brain with cognition, with emotion, with fear, and also top down the way cognition, emotion and fear and all of these pieces of how we're engaging with day to day are impacting then that brainstem region. And they're just now starting to look into what are these internal mechanisms. So again, science takes time. But from the spiritual side of breathing practice to the scientific, it's coming together and the curiosity for people to now integrate and embody that into their lives, into their selves.
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Sean Kelly
That's beautiful. Have you ever had an experience like that, like psychedelic experience or out of.
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Unknown
Body or anything with.
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Sam Whiting
I, I love doing a deeper breathing practice with a group.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
I practice on my own as well. And yeah, I mean there's unique experiences that come up of one time. This was, this was interesting. I was doing a kind of connected round with, with a friend and very vividly like that the eye of Horus came and I saw that in my, like when my eyes were closed and everything or sometimes you see colors and. Yeah, connection to just deeper sense of purpose. And to me it's a feeling of beauty and aliveness. It's humbling to be able to surrender how easy it is to grapple with like who we are, who we think we're going to be, what we want to have happen in our lives. And I think the breath is humbling in that it gives you an opportunity to practice letting go.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
And through feeling that, it's just. It's such a beautiful and meaningful moment of just being yourself. And something I like to say in. In this realm of transformation and the psychological side of things, the physiological, the way these tools create that connection with ourself. And what feels exciting in that process of transformation is that acceptance and getting to know you and surrendering into who you are as a person, and then that illumination that comes through of it in recognizing and being you. There's nothing cooler than being yourself. And that's like a mantra that I've always anchored from and has come through in a breathing practice. Like, wow, just be yourself.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah. Being authentic is. Is the best way to live, in my opinion, because I've lived. Yeah. I've lived. Not authentically. Growing up, just trying to fit in with people. And it was just a tough lifestyle, you know, living in lies.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah.
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Sean Kelly
Because then you gotta. You gotta keep up with them, and it's just like, never ending. But now I love it. As a podcast host, I got to just be myself.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah. Have meaningful conversations, learning, connecting. To just be here and be an open book and. And share yourself. Like that sets other people free. And that's something, I think now we see people on social media, we see people out in the world doing. Doing their thing, living their life, living their dream. And we. We can get inspired by them, but then maintaining and staying anchored to who we are.
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Sean Kelly
Right.
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Sam Whiting
Sharing that light with others.
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Sean Kelly
Absolutely. Yeah. What you said about surrendering, important, too, because anytime someone has a bad psychedelic experience is because they can't let go.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah. What you resist persists.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah. Yeah. It took me a while to get to that point because I liked. I was like a control freak, like a micromanager, and it doesn't work, man. I was stressed out of my mind trying to control everything. Certain things you can't control.
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Sam Whiting
We can use so much energy doing that. And think back to this whole framework as well, thinking about the autonomic nervous system, and there's so many humans that are in that chronic stress state. I mean, we. We get up, we've got the hustle, the grind. We're in cities and there's traffic and we wake up, and immediately maybe we check Instagram or we look at the market or whatever we're doing, and immediately there's that stimulus to move into sympathetic innervation. And we're living in this redlined chronic state all through the day. And then maybe we use stimulus to then crash and get a good. And go to sleep. And just the impact that that then has on our. On our psychophysiology, on our state of being and our. Our perception of ourselves and the world. And.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
How do we find that sense of oscillation? To be able to move through the day, have alertness and focus, and then find calm and even to that sense of parasympathetic within our physiology, like, that's. That's where we heal. That's where we recover, how we rejuvenate. And I think it's a sense of feeling to what we were talking about, of authenticity and being ourselves. That's also. It's a vulnerable place, but that's. That is how we heal. And that's a huge part of that, is also this felt sense of safety.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah. Yeah. You got to be careful what you're reliant on. I went through a little coffee phase, and that was rough. I started just drinking it every day for a couple weeks, and then I started getting these heart palpitations. And it wouldn't go flutter. Yeah, it wouldn't go away. I was like, what the heck? I even got a scan. I went to, like, some psychics, some spiritual people, and it didn't go away until I cut it out. I was. I was going through, like, withdrawal or something. I don't know.
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Sam Whiting
Too much caffeine.
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Sean Kelly
Too much. Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah. I mean, there are external tools. Coffee, for example, caffeine as a. As a stimulant that we can maybe overuse. I enjoy coffee. I love coffee. For, like, the ritual of it in the morning. Similarly, cacao mixing that. What are these little rituals that can be part of our day? There's indeed literature and continued conversation on how we're engaging with those stimulants.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah.
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Sam Whiting
Maintaining that sense of natural balance in ourselves, that mother nature in our body, so intelligent that we want to track a natural oscillation and a natural rhythm. So waking up and immediately going to a stimulant like caffeine can. Can throw that rhythm off. And we're sort of nudging ourselves out of that natural balance. I prefer to wake up, put my bare feet on the ground, catch natural light as that's impacting these circadian rhythm and all the layers within that. For example, even starting the morning with a cold immersion, that's a natural cold shock stimulus to our circadian rhythm. Our body tracks a temperature Rhythm with that and in the morning at about 4am is kind of the coldest tempest setting of the body. And then it starts to build up. We get a little shot of cortisol naturally that's putting us into a more awake state. And as the body temperature is rising through the day, that, that's what's tracking with the circadian rhythm. So there's, there's little pieces that you can add to that and touch grass, do some breath, get natural light in your eye or do it and perhaps also add in doing a cold shower or, or a cold immersion. Because if you take on the cold stimulus in the morning, you're dropping the core temp and turning on the thermogenic capacity to then track with what the body's natural rhythm would be doing and helping to facilitate and if you will nurture that natural circadian rhythm. Similarly, on the other end of the spectrum, at mid afternoon we're starting to drop off in body temperature. And if you engage with something like a hot bath or. I know we were talking about sauna earlier. Heat stimulus at night can be very impactful because if you're heating the body, you naturally, then it's sort of the inverse. You're overheating deliberately. But then the body adapts and responds to that by offloading heat. So you're sort of helping to facilitate then the dropping of body temperature and tracking that natural.
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Sean Kelly
Right. Yeah. They say a warm shower before bed can help you sleep.
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Sam Whiting
Right? Yeah, I think I've, I personally enjoy that. I do like cold at night too sometimes. But from more of that physiological perspective, cold in the morning and heat at night seem to be how we can support and facilitate that natural rhythm.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah, I definitely need to improve my morning routine because right now I wake up, go on my phone and then I feed my dogs and then go on my computer natural.
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Sam Whiting
I'm guilty of I enjoy looking at different things and popping up in the morning. But there, there becomes that awareness of, okay, I know these certain habits or patterns that I engage with and how can I be able to deliberately create framework that maybe even sets me up for more success, to have some space for, for a ritual of getting your, getting natural light, letting your body start to naturally come online and engage with those other things. I mean it's so easy to wake up and just go right.
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Sean Kelly
So easy.
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Sam Whiting
There's times that I have it right next to my bed and that's my own practice of creating some space with that technology.
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Sean Kelly
Yeah, yeah, they're damn addicting. So how many lumati centers are there and where are they at right now?
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Sam Whiting
So Lumati's flagship is in Encinitas, California and that's where we have our, our core offerings. And we also have a center down in Tijuana, Mexico which is at a beautiful hospital facility. That's where we're doing some of our clinical trials with the blood filtering technology and then going into 2025 that will be more available to general public. And so Lumati's currently in Encinitas and we're on a whole process over the next few years to be scaling across the world. From across the United States to overseas in Asia, into Dubai, all over the world.
- [52:03]
Sean Kelly
Nice.
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Sam Whiting
The aim of what we're doing with our scaling and bringing this whole stack and all of this technology to the world.
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Sean Kelly
I can't wait to visit, man. I'm gonna. Doc.
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Sam Whiting
Yeah, that's the Pensanitas. You know, we'll take you through the whole biostasis stack with again the biometrics, get you through the bioenergetic scan, our non invasive technologies to kind of take that blueprint and get the starting point and then experience if you'd like or come do the blood filtering.
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Sean Kelly
And have you done it yet? The blood?
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Sam Whiting
I haven't done that. I have not done it yet, but I'll be there next week to go see everything.
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Sean Kelly
Okay.
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Sam Whiting
We've had an amazing clinical results thus far.
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Sean Kelly
Nice.
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Sam Whiting
Considered with, with what we're seeing with the data and what the filter has the capacity to do. There was an individual who had hsv, herpes.
- [52:50]
Sean Kelly
Whoa.
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Sam Whiting
With you know, constant outbreaks weekly. And they did the filter and they haven't had an outbreak since.
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Sean Kelly
What, so is that because it's in the blood and it's just cycling through the body that causes outbreaks?
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Sam Whiting
Like it's, it's a subtractive technology. So if you think in medicine subtractive technologies are like amputations or taking out an organ and this is a non amputation subtraction where it's, you know, over the course of three to four hours, it's circulating the blood through this filter over 10 times and it's taking all of those organic and inorganic compounds that are in the blood and binding it into these little beads that are inside.
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Sean Kelly
That's so exciting because people are getting ages 0 to 18 now, 72 vaccines. So some technology like this could help with that, right?
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Sam Whiting
Yes. So actually it was deployed during the pandemic and it had emergency use care in the hospitals and people who are on ventilators and dying. From high, high viral loads of the COVID virus. It's removing that blood.
- [53:57]
Sean Kelly
Whoa.
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Sam Whiting
So a lot of patients are coming in who have long Covid symptoms. And we're able to remove spike proteins and CO2 as well. So it's very broad spectrum of the utility around how it can impact and support people. We really look at it in a metaphor like a car for somebody who's longevity, passionate about their wellness and longevity. Just like a car, you get an oil change every so many miles. So once a year, you could come in and get an oil change. If then your check engine light's on, maybe you have an acute or a chronic symptom showing up. Somebody with Lyme's disease, somebody with a bacteria or whatever it may be that you come in for the check engine light, you can have the filter. And then on the. On the far end of the spectrum are individuals who are in very chronic. The car is broken down, maybe they have metastatic cancer, and it's an adjunct and support to their other therapies. But from what we're seeing with the data, that it's ability to remove those CTCs.
- [54:57]
Sean Kelly
Whoa.
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Sam Whiting
That it's very impactful and supportive. It's a reset for the system so that if. If you have circulating tumor cells running through your entire body, like the. The immune system's firing and using so much energy to try to battle that, and if we can just take them all out, then it can redeploy the energy to other. Other sites.
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Sean Kelly
Incredible. Yeah. Because the body is so powerful, it could heal itself. Right. If. If you program it the right way. That's what I'm learning.
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Sam Whiting
Intelligence. It knows how to adapt and what to do. And I think that's where with chronic stress and exposure to all of these things in our lives and our environments, that we're not able to allow the system to reset, to heal.
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Sean Kelly
Right.
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Sam Whiting
That's where we're seeing this proliferation of autoimmune and people's lives and the suffering that they're experiencing. And we can be able to now deploy these really simple and unique technologies, from the filter to full spectrum light therapy, to good water to the hydrogen bath, to hydrogen inhalation, the bioenergetic scans. And, you know, that's the beginning of the journey. I think from that point, though, what's also important, Sean, is, you know, you go have that experience at Lumati, you have this, you. It's like a recharging for the body, a cellular recharging station. And then it's not. That's just the beginning, if we have the awareness, then how can we continue to take the steps and embed that into our daily behaviors and our habits and create it as part of a lifestyle?
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Sean Kelly
Right. I love it, man. Well, Sam, where could people find you anything else you want to close off with before we wrap up?
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Sam Whiting
Yeah, well, to that point that's what I think. What's unique and interesting in, in the. From the filter side to then what we're building within our stack which we're calling the Longevity Recharging Station. And to consider it being like there's Tesla recharging stations around the country. You're driving your car around, you need to recharge. And that's really what we're deploying now with the Longevity Recharging station is the stack of all of these different technologies together. Think of walking into your own unique phone booth where you have 10 wavelengths spectrum light to charge the cells. You're standing on a micro impact plate that's going to help improve circulation, activate stem cells, you're inhaling hydrogen and then you're taking in some of our unique supplementation and. And these are at different centers across the world in your hometown, in your home for those that are able to have that deployed into their home. And on a daily basis you're able to engage with this baseline technology that's supporting that biostasis for you. So excited for the forefront of continued evolution and innovation and really contribution to humanity and how we can continue to outlive our best lives, our optimal lives and be that remembering of what is illuminated vitality and really serve others and hit our goal of a thousand. A billion lives transformed and impacted by 2035.
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Sean Kelly
I would love that man.
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Sam Whiting
Being here with you and sharing and building awareness around this is a step into that contribution. So I appreciate your openness and the invitation to be here and you know, the, the leadership that it takes to, to and the choice to live that life and the curiosity and the seeing of the beauty that's out there in the world and within us and, and we can be but mirrors for each other to see clearer and be able as we continue navigating through the journey of life and taking on the hardships and all the things that happen to us out of nowhere that remember the preciousness of life and that that's what we can be for each other. Boom.
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Sean Kelly
I love it, man. We'll link the stuff below. I think we're gonna demonstrate one of your products at my event one of these days too. So stay tuned for that guys.
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Sam Whiting
Excited to deploy those. Bring it to the world. And yeah, people can find me on Instagram @whitingenenergyumatilife. Come into the clinic, come check us out and. Or deploy this and bring it into your home. We have, you know, a SW suite of offerings that, again, to that whole base of making it accessible to the world.
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Sean Kelly
Amazing. Yeah. Check it out, guys.
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Unknown
Thanks for watching.
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Sean Kelly
See you next time.