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Sara Jane Ho: From Harvard to Hustle: Insights for Modern Entrepreneurs | DSH #1455
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Public schools, everybody's score and ranking is, like, pasted on the wall.
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Wow.
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So you will see exactly where you stand. That's crazy, what your score is.
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I didn't know that.
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It is kind of a way of, like, changing at the bottom.
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Do you think they should do that here in America?
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I don't know. America's its own culture.
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Okay, guys, Sarah Jane here, etiquette expert, has her own show on Netflix and her own book. Thanks for coming on today.
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Thank you for having me.
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Yeah. I know nothing about etiquette, so I'm actually excited to learn. My mom used to really scream at me at the lunch table for poor etiquette when I was younger.
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Well, she's a Chinese mom, right? Yeah, Tiger.
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Yeah, she actually. She's a snake. But, yeah, similar. Similar energy, right?
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She's a snake and a tiger mom.
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Yeah. Yeah. But no, that's good.
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You want. You always want a strict mom. You know, like when I teach etiquette, when I opened my etiquette schools first, firstly in China, right. I brought the concept of a Swiss finishing school to China. It was for ladies, so I teach adult women. And everybody was like, oh, you should have a kids course. And I said, but no, like, etiquette begins from the mother. And so what you said, like, you know, the mother is the single most important figure in a kid's life, and it really is her who should be the one kind of like, showing her kid the ways of the world. And the kid of the world.
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Well, Asian mothers are pretty strict with it, but I think in the long run, it toughened me up. You know, tough love. Tough love. I'm a believer in it. I know some people aren't, but for me, it worked.
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Yeah. Were you spanked?
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I was spanked. I was slapped in the face if I hit the wrong piano note.
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Wow, that is real tough love in that respect. I listen, like, I. I don't think it was a bad thing that I was spanked for being naughty. Like, sometimes you just need a good spanking.
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Yeah.
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But to be slapped in the face for hitting the wrong piano note. It's rough.
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It is rough. I. I had to quit piano.
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I was next level. That's like. That's like Korean mom craziness.
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Koreans are like that.
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Yeah.
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They get over.
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That's why so many Koreans become like, you know, the Asian stars really that are Korean. Yeah, they were all, like, you know, performance pianists and this and that because their mothers were so strict.
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I know Koreans get really drunk, right?
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They do. They do that. That that's why, you know, growing up in Hong Kong, like, basically old Chinese girls are told by their parents, don't marry a Korean guy because he's going to beat you up. I'm probably gonna get canceled by, like, Koreans now. Yeah, but it's kind of the saying you might.
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There's a lot of Koreans that get hammered and get a little angry, you know, how's the etiquette in America compared to China? Like, is it really different?
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You know, I don't want to get canceled in America, but, yeah, it's. It's. It's. It's really different. It's really different. And I often say in etiquette, there is never, like, a black or white right or wrong. It's contextual. So it really depends on who you're with. And. And even, like, the culture, the. The age of the people. Right. Like, what industry, the circle you're in.
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Yeah.
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But I spent my time between the US And China. I love it because they're two of my most favorite countries in the world, and they could not be more different. And when I'm in China, like, I'm really Chinese. To the point that, like, my parents, who, you know, I mean, my family's like, I grew up in Hong Kong, right?
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Yeah.
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To the point that you. My dad is like, whoa. Like, when did you come so Mainland.
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Damn.
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And when I'm America, I'm really American.
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Interesting. So you kind of can turn it on and off.
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Yeah. And. But to me. To me, like, the highest goal of etiquette is to go native. My favorite course at Georgetown was anthropology, and it's a study of human behavior. And we would often talk about, like, being in the field, like, in anthropology, which is really just the observation, like, you would go to Papua New guinea, or you go to New York City and kind of, like, observe. That's being in the field. And the goal, ultimately, is to go native. And I feel that for me, I love it when I can feel like I'm going native no matter where I am.
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Yeah. So you like it in la, huh?
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Love it in la.
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Really? I hear either you hate it or love it when it comes to la.
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You know, I used to always think of myself as an east coast girl, because when I was 14 years old, I left Hong Kong, big city. Right. Moved to Exeter, New Hampshire, for boarding school, and then Georgetown and Harvard Business School. I also worked in New York City, so I am very much an east coast girl. And then I spent well over a decade of my career in China, opening my Finishing schools. Now, when my Netflix show came out, mind your manners came out, and I had a lot more opportunity.
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Feel the drop and go Code yourself. Let's come back stateside. I was trying to think if I should just get a place here and should I base myself out of LA or New York? And I chose LA because I believe in having different experiences, like having new and fresh experiences. So LA to me was a new city in terms of, like, my Netflix stuff or, you know, my podcast stuff. I launched a mind dramatic podcast. It made more sense to be in LA as well.
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Yeah.
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And in retrospect, I'm so glad I chose la, because the wellness and spirituality, like, sort of the spiritual growth that I've had is exactly what I needed after spending a decade in China.
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Interesting.
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Like, in China, there's a lot of focus on material growth.
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Yeah.
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And even Hong Kong. Hong Kong is an extremely materialistic society. The culture is money.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And there's very little spirituality. I mean, a lot of people will say a lot. A lot of people will like, of course they're. Oh, there's Buddhism, there's Taoism, all that stuff, which I really respect and I lean into. But there's not that many people who are. I don't want to get canceled by China. But, like, when there's, like, some businessman who's, like, playing with his Buddhist beads, saying, I have a Buddha shrine in my temple. I'm like, yeah, like that. That. That's like a red flag for me. But coming to LA and learning about just so much of the. The spiritual healing that's going on, it's really helping my spiritual growth.
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I could see that. Yeah. If I brought up spirituality or mental health to my Chinese mother growing up, she would have.
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She'd slap you.
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She would have laughed at me. You know what I mean? Like, that's, like, taboo to talk about.
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Oh, yeah. Like, therapy is, you know, you. Nobody gets therapy in China. I mean, now, thank God it's changing because the younger kids are realizing the importance of it, but there are some huge cultural differences.
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Oh, I bet. When I first went to therapy, I felt so much shame, to be honest. Like, I was like, damn, I'm really going to therapy.
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What age did you go?
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I went in college, so I was like, 21 or something.
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Yeah, you were young. But what. What a beautiful thing that you went.
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Yeah, well, mental health is a big thing these days, you know, because I didn't.
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I didn't start seeing a therapist. I was 29.
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Wow.
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Which was.
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You had a lot of trauma by then?
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dating all the wrong guys. You know, I always think of my dating life as. And post therapy.
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Well, it must be intimidating to date you because, like, you're. You're the etiquette queen. I mean, you know what I mean? These guys are like, I gotta be on point.
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Well, yeah, I. I remember I went on a date in Beijing and. And the great thing. And. And remember, like, I didn't speak Mandarin growing up.
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Right.
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I spoke Cantonese because I grew up in Hong Kong and the last language of China's Mandarin.
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Yeah.
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But a great way to brush up on your language is to date somebody native. You know, I was dating, you know, Chinese guys who didn't speak English. And I remember I went on a date. There was a guy took me on a super fancy date at this French restaurant, and he was really sweet. And then at the end of it, he said. He said. He said, do you mind telling me if there's. Since you teach etiquette, is there anything that I did that was bad etiquette tonight? I know. Yeah.
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That's tough.
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That's. Yeah. And. But, like, I just. I just. I laughed and I said. I said, you know, because I really. I don't try to look out for, like, bad etiquette things that people do, because why. Why would I put that on myself or on the other person? But I Just kind of laughed and I said, oh, you know. Well, the way you ate your oyster with your butter knife was kind of cute.
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Well, there's certain things that are definitely a turn off, like mouth chewers.
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A lot of those all over the.
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World, especially in China with the soup. Oh my God. They'd be slurping it up right next to me at the pho spot.
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You know what, when I'm in China, I'm slurping it up too.
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Like you're loud with it though.
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Yeah, you got, you got to do. Because that shows it's tasty. I mean, it's still like a ladylike slop. It's not one of those.
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No farmer style slopes. Yeah, but it is one of the differences, I guess.
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Yeah, I guess if it's part of the culture, you got to respect it. Right. I didn't know Chinese people saw that as like a compliment.
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Yeah. And you know what? In China, if you tell someone that they're fat, it's political polite.
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Really?
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Yeah. In America, no way. You would get like, you'd get harpooned if you told somebody like, hey, you look fatter these days. But in China, it's, it's actually, it's very polite and it's kind of flattering because it shows that you're engaging with somebody and that you can. And so just as someone will be like, oh, have you eaten yet? Like, have you had lunch? Or oh, you look a little fatter. What's wrong? Oh, you look like you, you're heaty. You know, because people love to use traditional Chinese medicine kind of phrases like, like, you have too much heat in you. Is everything okay, you stressed. And, and, and so I'll do that when I see my friends in China or when they see me, they'll be, oh, you lost weight. Like, oh, you gained weight.
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I actually like that. I like being direct. I, I feel like Chinese people are pretty direct.
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Super direct.
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Yeah. Not even just with weight, but just in general. Like, they won't hold back.
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Yep.
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Which is good if, if you can handle it. Right. Some people, that would break them mentally, I think.
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Yeah. People are soft these days.
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I think so. Very soft.
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Your generation is also pretty soft.
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Yeah. I'm like a millennial.
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I'm a millennial.
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I'm the last year. I was born in 97.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know, the generation below you.
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Gen Z, I think Gen Z, they're too soft. What do you think's causing them to be so soft?
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Their parents over coddling. It's really interesting. I feel that with Gen Z, on the one hand, they have so much empathy for the world in terms of like environmentalism and, you know, being politically correct and, and woke ideals etc. Right. And, and, and the care and concern they have for our planet is a beautiful thing. But at the same time, it's like they have no empathy for people around them who, let's say, whether they're at workplaces because, like, companies are firing, they're not happy with that generation of employees because they're like, oh, you said this to me. I'm going to sue you or I'm going to quit. Right. There's a lack of grit.
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I can see that. I wonder if social media played a role in that. Probably because now you could just say whatever you want and then once you're in person, you don't know how to act.
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Oh, yeah. I, I, so I went to Philips X Ray Academy, and actually I gave, the same year I gave the opening assembly talk students there. And, and I was chatting with, you know, the teachers and the students, and there's, there's an Instagram handle account called, like, Asian at Exter Black at Exeter. And, you know, it's good to have a voice. But then sometimes, you know, then it like, I feel like teachers are afraid.
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Of students now because they don't want them talking about them.
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Yeah. Like on social media and canceling them, saying, like, oh, this, this teacher did this and this.
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And I, back in my day, students are afraid of teachers. And I don't think I want to send my kid to a school where the teachers are afraid of them because I want them to be disciplined and respectful towards that teacher. Maybe I'm too much of a tiger moment.
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No, I agree that. I didn't know that was happening in schools, but that makes sense because now if you have 50 kids in a class all talking online about the teacher, they could get fired. Right.
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Exactly. Teachers live in fear of students.
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Wow, that's, that's gonna have them hold back the teachers.
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Yeah.
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They'll be scared to teach controversial topics.
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Yes. Yeah. Or even they're even scared to give kids a bad grade. Then the kid will be like, oh, I don't deserve a B plus, I should get an A minus. And then the other. Otherwise I'll like out you on social media.
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Yeah. When it comes to grades, I feel like Asians are the strictest.
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Yeah. We don't believe in grid inflation.
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Yeah. I don't think you can't get much more strict than Chinese mothers with grades.
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And, you know, I mean, your mother's from Beijing, right?
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Yeah.
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So in, in mainland China, the, the public Schools, everybody's school and ranking is, like, pasted on the wall.
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Wow.
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So you will see exactly where you stand.
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And that's crazy.
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Your score is.
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I didn't know that.
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And it's. It is kind of a way of, like, shaming you if you're, like, at the bottom.
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Do you think they should do that here in America?
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I don't know. America's its own culture.
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That's true. I think too many parents would complain about that here. Wow. Shout out to my mom for dealing with that. I did not know.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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She. She went to the best university over there, Tsinghua.
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Wow.
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Yeah. She said it was really hard to get into it.
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That is impressive.
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I know. And I'm like the opposite. I got, like, D's and kind of 1.7. Yeah. Dropped out.
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You know, but dropouts are the way to go in America. Right.
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These days in China, you drop out, you're getting kicked out of your family, Right?
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Yeah. I mean, you. That's. It's over. And in China, your whole life depends on one school, which is called Gao Ko. And Goko is at the end of high school, you take one exam. That school you get determines your life because it determines what university you go to, which then, you know, I mean, basically becomes the rest of your life.
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Wow. That's a lot of pressure on that test.
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Commit suicide.
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Holy crap. So is that like, the SATs of China?
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No, because in America, you have SATs, but that's just like, a, what, 20% portion? It's like a check check. Like, okay, they got a 1600. Whatever it is.
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Yeah.
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But then there's an interview portion. There's like, oh, varsity sports. Your personality. Do you have a portfolio? Right. And that's why rich families in China, or even families in China who know that their kid will not get a good girl, then they send them to America.
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There's a lot of Chinese students.
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Oh, yeah.
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At universities.
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Probably like hundreds of thousands.
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Yeah, it's a good amount. I always wondered why they were coming here, but that makes sense now.
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So that one score.
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Damn. That's crazy. You went to boarding school. You were a year behind Mark Zuckerberg.
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Yes.
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Did you ever meet him?
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We. So we weren't friends. I mean, we. Like, I definitely knew who he was.
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Yeah.
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And he actually is very much like how he's portrayed in that movie, the Social Network.
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Yeah, I saw that one.
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I was like, wow. Like, it's so important. He. His best friend was a guy called Adam d'. Angelo. And in my dorm at Exeter. I was assigned. When you knew you were assigned, like, a big sister in your dorm who takes care of you and this Vietnamese girl, Steph Wen. Steph Nguyen. Stephen. She. She lived directly opposite me, and she was my assigned big sister. And if you open our doors, you'd see into each other's rooms. And so she was dating this. She was a senior. I was a. I was a sophomore, and she was dating a junior who's a super tall, lanky guy, Adam d'. Angelo. And he would come and visit her, and sometimes she'd be like, oh, you know, Sarah Jane, come over, hang out with us. And so I'd go over, say hi. She'd be like, oh, Adam, we need to. We need to find. We need to find Sarah. Boyfriend. How about your best friend Mark? He's. He likes Asian girls, so even back.
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Then, he liked them.
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I. Well, you know, I mean, probably. And. And I remember being like, ew, he's a nerd.
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Biggest fumble of your life.
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Biggest fumble of my life.
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Did you know at the time he was gonna be successful or was he just.
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Well, you know, our school had a lot of really interesting students.
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Yeah.
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The term Facebook actually came from a book at our school.
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B
Wow.
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Officially, it was called the photo address book, but colloquially, everybody called it the Facebook. So we'd say. And this was. You know, I graduated 2003 from Extra. I went there 2000s. It was before cell phones. Right. And everybody had, like, a phone landline extension in their room and. And then email address. Like, kind of just kicked off this whole email thing. And people would say, oh, like, look, get his extension in the Facebook. Oh, look her up in the Facebook. It had literally every student's black and white photo, their home address, and then their email and their extension. And so I can only guess that the Facebook that term came from.
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Wow. Is that where the Winklevoss twins went to? Or was that college one?
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No, the Winklevoss twin or the Winklevi, which I think is so hilarious.
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Winklevy.
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Yeah, because, you know, it's like the pool. Winklevoss. Oh, I thought it was so clever in the social network. The Winklevoss twins went to Harvard undergrad with him. I don't know where they went for boarding school.
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B
Okay. You went to Harvard, too, right? Business school.
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Oh, yeah, I went to Georgetown undergrad and then hbs.
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Was that like, the hardest four years of your life?
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Which one?
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Harvard?
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Well, MBA is two years.
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Oh, two years.
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And the hardest thing is really getting in. I remember once I got in, my dad said, and My dad hosted like a big family dinner for me in Hong Kong before I went off to boarding school. I was. Before I went off to Harvard Business School when I was 20, 24. And he raised the glass. He said, I don't have high expectations of my daughter at Harvard Business School. I just wish that she doesn't fail. And I was like, dad, you kidding me? As a straight A student at Georgetown, like, I'm, I'm not gonna fail. Like, I can't believe you said that in front of our whole family.
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Yeah.
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And he's, I know my daughter. I just hope she doesn't feel out of Harvard Business School. And I was like, yeah, whatever. And then I got to Harvard Business School, and the way things are, the way you're graded is on a bell curve. So the bottom 10% get a grade three, the top 10% in class get a grade one, and then the middle 80 get a grade two. And everybody was telling me, like, I had some friends who were second years because MBA is a two year program.
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Yeah.
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And they were like, oh, it's impossible to get grade two. It's impossible. They said, it's impossible to get a three. It's impossible to get three. Right. Because that means you're the bottom 10%. Of course. So in my mind I was like, it's impossible. Get a three. So I never studied. I walked into every exam cold, but I did all the readings. And I loved being class and everything, and. And I would count, like, how many grade threes I could get away with to move on to the next semester and next year. And in fact, a week before graduation, if I, if I didn't rewrite an independent study essay, I would have failed out of Harvard school.
- [22:29]
B
Wow.
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A
And I remember, like, there's like a one week or two week break in between when you finish classes and graduate.
- [22:36]
B
Yeah.
- [22:37]
A
And I'd gone back to Beijing. Actually, I'd gone to China to visit some friends. And I was sitting at dinner in a restaurant, and on my BlackBerry, I got an email from my independent study professor. And they said, sarah Jane, you didn't make the changes that you said you would make in this essay. You just turned in the same version. If that's the case, I'm gonna have to give you a three. And I immediately, mentally counted, wait, what other classes do I have threes in? And I was like, shit, that means I'm not gonna graduate. I literally, I left the dinner table right there. I was like, guys, I'm sorry. I go, went back, opened my laptop, revised my Essay and graduated.
- [23:12]
B
Wow. Was it worth it? Really? You actually utilize the degree.
- [23:19]
A
You know they say that business school. I think that it doesn't make sense to go to business school unless you're going to like a really top business school.
- [23:26]
B
Right.
- [23:27]
A
Because the people you meet are so inspirational. And my like the friends that I met there, they challenge me, they provoke me in the best way. They inspire me. I'm learning. We're learning from each other all the time. And for me it was also a great way because I'd done investment banking before that and in investment banking I'd worked so hard. But in so career growth, I felt like a lot of career growth. But personally, like I didn't have any time for self reflection. No bandwidth to be present in myself.
- [23:59]
B
Yeah.
- [23:59]
A
So there was like basically no personal growth and definitely no spiritual growth. And going to Harvard Business School gave me a two year place to park myself, which looked good on the resume. I was meeting amazing folks, but at the same time I was able to spend a lot of time not just partying, you know, which I did a lot of, but also just thinking like what I want out of life, what do I want to live?
- [24:18]
B
Yeah.
- [24:19]
A
And it was there that I had my business idea to move to Beijing and open an etiquette school.
- [24:22]
B
I love it. I got to hear about these Harvard parties.
- [24:25]
A
Oh, they were. Yeah, they were.
- [24:27]
B
They actually party over there.
- [24:28]
A
Are you kidding me? Like four times a week.
- [24:31]
B
No way.
- [24:31]
A
We party till 5 or 6am why?
- [24:34]
B
It's Harvard.
- [24:36]
A
HBS is a huge party school.
- [24:38]
B
All these nerds are out here drinking and.
- [24:40]
A
Yeah, because you know, the hardest part is getting in and then. And then you just kind of coast. But everybody's super social. Well, I guess not everybody. But like a lot of people are very social. I remember I'd sleep for an hour, wake up at seven and I go to class.
- [24:53]
B
Holy crap.
- [24:54]
A
You can only do that in your 20s.
- [24:55]
B
Yeah. There's no way right now I could pull that off.
- [24:57]
A
No. Me at 39 now. No.
- [24:59]
B
Yeah. Still looking for husband?
- [25:02]
A
Me?
- [25:02]
B
Yeah.
- [25:03]
A
I have a husband.
- [25:03]
B
Oh, you do?
- [25:04]
A
I do.
- [25:04]
B
How long you been married?
- [25:05]
A
I've been married for three years. I. My husband doesn't speak English. He's in China.
- [25:10]
B
Wow.
- [25:11]
A
Yeah, it's so great. I mean, sometimes I do have to use Google Translate.
- [25:14]
B
Oh, he speaks Mandarin when he.
- [25:16]
A
Yeah, when he throws out like a Chinese idiom. And I'm like, what does this mean? Hang on.
- [25:21]
B
So you picked a Chinese guy over America? And I see how it is.
- [25:23]
A
Yeah.
- [25:24]
B
Damn.
- [25:25]
A
But no he's amazing. I feel very lucky to have found him.
- [25:28]
B
That's impressive that you can do six months there, six months here. He doesn't come with you?
- [25:31]
A
No, no. I'm back and forth like every month.
- [25:33]
B
Oh, okay.
- [25:34]
A
And he comes to.
- [25:36]
B
Nice. Does he like it over here?
- [25:37]
A
He loves it. My stepson was born in la.
- [25:40]
B
Really?
- [25:41]
A
So we're very comfortable in la.
- [25:42]
B
I think it's good to experience multicultures too. Like, I'm. I'm a halfy and got to see the my white ass family on the farm and then the Asian side, you know, working hard.
- [25:52]
A
Were they literally on the farm?
- [25:54]
B
Yeah, my dad grew up on a farm in Ireland.
- [25:56]
A
Yeah.
- [25:56]
B
In Pennsylvania. Yeah. So that's how my whole dad's side of the family was raised.
- [26:02]
A
Wow. You know, I. I think the ultimate luxury these days is to have a farm, to have your own chickens laying your own eggs, you know, getting your own raw milk.
- [26:11]
B
Yeah, I just started one little garden in Vegas. Yeah, it's hard out here. It's really hard.
- [26:18]
A
What do you have?
- [26:19]
B
We got tomatoes, jalapeno peppers, basil, strawberries. There's not much you could grow out here. We're in a desert, so.
- [26:29]
A
Yeah, I know. So you have like a greenhouse?
- [26:32]
B
No, it's outside, just in the shade. And then we got a lemon tree, lime tree, pomegranate tree. I like. I like gardening.
- [26:39]
A
Yeah. Nice. Who's we?
- [26:41]
B
Me and my fiance getting married this year.
- [26:43]
A
Congratulations.
- [26:45]
B
Eight years in. Finally pulled the trigger.
- [26:49]
A
Wow. So all of your 20s, you're with one person?
- [26:51]
B
Yeah, I've been with the same girl my whole life.
- [26:53]
A
How do you feel?
- [26:54]
B
Good. I hear about the dating stories these days and it's. It's hard. Horrible dating in. In America.
- [27:01]
A
Really?
- [27:01]
B
Yeah, it's rough.
- [27:04]
A
Well, wow. Interesting.
- [27:05]
B
You don't hear these stories with your friends out here.
- [27:08]
A
Yes, now. But to me, dating in New York in my 20s was just the most, like the most fun thing, really. And it was. But it was. Remember, it was like pre apps, right?
- [27:18]
B
Pre ops. Pre only fans.
- [27:20]
A
Yeah. And. And I just love the pickup culture. And you would. I just met so many interesting people. Not that I dated, but even some I just became friends with because you'd be clubbing, you'd be tables next to each other, or you'd be in Chinatown getting dim sum, and then somebody would walk over. And I think it's a great shame for the younger generation, for the. The post app. Dating app. Post dating app generation to have missed out on pickup culture.
- [27:47]
B
Yeah. You don't get picked up in person anymore. Guys aren't confident as they used to be. I feel like.
- [27:54]
A
Well, I. I think that. I don't think it's like necessarily the change in confidence in guys. I just think that it's easier now to hide behind it.
- [28:01]
B
True.
- [28:02]
A
Like guys didn't have that before. It is tough for guys. It is. I guess, like, rejection is a real thing, right?
- [28:09]
B
Yeah, I used to get rejected. Yeah, it sucks.
- [28:11]
A
And so would you rather just even not reach out?
- [28:14]
B
Yeah, I'd rather not even do it. You know, it sucks to get rejected. You can't relate. Girls don't get rejected. You know, people pursue girls like guys pursue. And then you just sit back and pick who you want. It's easier. You know what I mean?
- [28:32]
A
Yeah, it. No, it is. It is easier being a girl. In that sense. In that sense. But I do feel like younger girls do actively pursue guys. Like, I feel like the younger generation, they ask guys out and I really. Yeah. And I. And. And they'll. Sometimes I'll like just DM me that on Instagram and huh. I'll be like, that is good for you. Like, that is a sign of confidence.
- [28:51]
B
Really. I wish that happened to me. I didn't know that was a thing.
- [28:55]
A
Too late for you now.
- [28:56]
B
I know I got the one now. So I'm chilling. Hopefully some kids soon and start a family. Yeah, yeah. Feng shui.
- [29:05]
A
Yeah. Oh yeah. I grew up with it.
- [29:07]
B
I'm gonna have to learn from you how to set up the house and yeah, photos.
- [29:10]
A
I'll do a little, you know.
- [29:11]
B
So that stuff actually works, huh? What's. What's the idea behind it?
- [29:16]
A
I guess so. So feng shui. Feng mean. Feng shui. Okay, so feng means wind shui means water. So actually feng shui literally translates means and it's about. I guess you can look at feng shui. Like people think of feng shui practically as arranging your house. And that's kind of like the easiest way to understand it. But it's actually much more encompassing than just arranging your house. It can be looking at your face and seeing how the features your face, what that says about your personality. It can be taking your bazi. Bazi. Ba is eight is characters. And these are the eight characters that are the year, month, date, time of your birth. And from this, a feng shui master can figure out deduct the date of your death.
- [30:05]
B
Whoa. What?
- [30:06]
A
Yeah. So you could predict date of your birth. We can. We can. Like a feng shui master will know the date of your death.
- [30:11]
B
And is that Pretty accurate usually.
- [30:13]
A
I'll tell you so about that.
- [30:14]
B
Okay.
- [30:15]
A
Um, and so people. So and, and so it's like, it's really all encompassing. But the way we really think of it is there are a couple phrases, you know, like yin and yang.
- [30:24]
B
Right.
- [30:24]
A
People like to throw around. So it's really about like having a space and energy that is harmonious. So whether that's yin and yang. So yin being kind of the soft, the feminine, the moon, the dark, Yang being the masculine, the sun, the hard. Right. Like every part of your body or every space in your house needs to be have like a balance of yin and yang. There's also the five elements. So that's metal, wood, water, fire, and earth. Right. Like even in your house, these need to have used to be a balance of elements. If you have a house and it's very trendy these days to have an old white house, like white sofa, white carpet, white wolves, like blah, blah, blah. That actually, in feng shui terms, that will cause you anxiety.
- [31:05]
B
Damn.
- [31:06]
A
Because it's too extreme. There. There isn't a balance. Right. So, so, so that's an example. And feng shui is about. It's about maximizing the upside of your life and minimizing the downside. So if you know, for example, this year you can tell in your chart, like, this is going to be a rocky year, then you arrange things or you put certain function objects in places that will help you minimize that downside. Because in. In Chinese culture, we believe that your destiny is already laid out. Right. But that with it. But there's. But you can also change it slightly according to feng shui. And also like acts that you do as a human being.
- [31:46]
B
Right? It's karma.
- [31:48]
A
Yeah. And it's interesting because I'm studying Kabbalah right now. And actually Kabbalah says the same thing. Like half of your destiny is like, they say 50 is fixed, but 50 you can actually change.
- [31:57]
B
Wow.
- [31:59]
A
So when you asked me from a date of birth, can we tell the date of death? I grew up in Hong Kong with feng shui monsters running around the house since as young as I can remember. And we had a feng shui monster. His name was Rambo.
- [32:13]
B
What a name.
- [32:14]
A
I know. I think he lives in Macau now. He has a lot of casino clients. So he told my mother that when she was 52 years old, she was. She would stop working. And my mother was a workaholic. I mean, she loved to work. She was very ambitious. She was a career woman, always working late nights, like going on business trips and she really thrived in it. And when Rambo told her this, I remember I was off at boarding school at this point. She would. Every now and then, she bring up. She's like, you know, Rambo said that by 52, I'm going to stop working. And I'm really anxious, like, what. What will happen to me? And I'm so scared. And. And I would say, mom, like, stop. Like, you know, maybe you'll find something else to do. You know, who knows what? Like. But maybe do, like, philanthropy or something.
- [32:59]
B
Yeah.
- [33:00]
A
And when she was 51, she was diagnosed with terminal liver cancer.
- [33:04]
B
Damn.
- [33:05]
A
And. And when she died, she was. It was before the age of 50.
- [33:09]
B
No way.
- [33:09]
A
Yeah.
- [33:10]
B
Holy crap. That's scary. Yeah, because I kind of don't want to know when I'm gonna die. You know what I mean?
- [33:17]
A
I don't want to know either.
- [33:18]
B
I feel like it's better just to live.
- [33:20]
A
And so that's why Rambo had never told her when she never said, this is when you'll die. He said, it's when you're going to stop working.
- [33:26]
B
Damn. So he knew, but he just didn't because he can't.
- [33:28]
A
He can't reveal the secret of the heavens. Once my mother got that diagnosis, my father immediately called Rambo and said, you said this about my wife. Now she's got this diagnosis. What's going to happen? Is she gonna make it? Rambo was just very. He was very like, oh, yeah, yeah, no, she'll be fine. She'll recover. And then, you know, she'll just kind of do to her interest. But he knew. He just couldn't sing.
- [33:49]
B
He couldn't say, that's nuts.
- [33:51]
A
And then. So then my dad got a second feng Shui master as a second opinion.
- [33:55]
B
Yeah.
- [33:56]
A
And he gave that feng Shui master, or families like Bazi, Right. Eight characters show, you know, until time of birth. And when he picked up that feng Shui master team to her house, as soon as the feng shui master got into the car, and my dad even mentioned my mother's diagnosis, the first thing he said was, Mr. Ho, this year is the worst year for your wife in terms of health. She will be hospitalized between May 15 and June 15, and if she survives that, she will be hospitalized again between October 15th and November 15th.
- [34:25]
B
Holy crap.
- [34:26]
A
My dad didn't even tell. Like, he just came. Like he was just working off of the batson. My mother was. Went into the hospital June 2nd, and she passed away 6-2-7.
- [34:35]
B
Oh, my gosh.
- [34:37]
A
And that. And that's all Part of feng shui.
- [34:40]
B
Wow, that's nuts. So 50 destiny. 50 you could change.
- [34:45]
A
Yeah.
- [34:46]
B
I wonder if death is one of those things you can alter.
- [34:48]
A
You can, but it takes a lot. Like, you have to. There's a book in, in a very old book in Chinese culture. So after this happened, my dad quit his businesses and just studied feng shui.
- [34:58]
B
Wow.
- [34:59]
A
Yeah. Like, he, he, he was like, this is, this is too crazy. Like, and just studied.
- [35:04]
B
So he didn't even believe it?
- [35:06]
A
No, we did believe it because we had function masters. But like, he was so affected by it. He was like, I need to know how, how, how people can know these things. And my dad's a very studious person. He likes to learn, so. And what my dad would do is actually he would then go to the cemeteries in Hong Kong and they're kind of like stone slabs because, you know, people burn ashes and so they have urns, like in stone slabs, and on the stone slab they have date of birth and date of death. And as my dad's a virgo, he's an overachiever, he would go to each one, he would take down all the data, the names, date of birth and date of death. And then as his own homework to test himself, he would cover up the date of death and see if he could calculate from the date of birth.
- [35:52]
B
No way.
- [35:53]
A
Death. Yeah, I mean, he obviously didn't have the times because the time is also very important. But, but he, that's what he would do.
- [35:59]
B
Oh, my God.
- [36:00]
A
And, and he was like a pretty accurate.
- [36:02]
B
That's. Is it a specific pattern for the year you're born versus death? Is it like, does it end in the same number or something?
- [36:09]
A
Honestly, I've never studied myself. It's kind of beyond me. Okay, but, but it's common knowledge in amongst Chinese people that feng shui can.
- [36:17]
B
Tell you, damn, I do believe in the enemy year. Like, I have rough years every. What is it, eight years? Something like that. Yeah.
- [36:24]
A
So Benmingian is in Chinese zodiac. It's 12 years. 12 years, the 12 animals. And what is, what's your zodiac?
- [36:30]
B
I'm an ox.
- [36:32]
A
I'm an ox too.
- [36:33]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [36:33]
A
I'm officially 12 years older than you.
- [36:35]
B
Wow. I've never met another ox. This is awesome.
- [36:39]
A
And an oxen is very, very hard working, very honest, you know, loyal. What happens is each year, year is a different year. Right. So right now, 20, 25, where you're at the stage if this year is your. The same year zodiac that you were born in. So let's say it's like Year of the Ox. That is your worst year for feng shui. And so that's your enemy, I guess, is what you're calling. And that's when you really have to get a feng shui master and just change up stuff in your house or make sure you wear a lot of red, because red protects you against evil.
- [37:14]
B
I always like the color red.
- [37:15]
A
It's a good color. I mean, Chinese people love it. Red and gold.
- [37:18]
B
Yeah, I noticed that they love red. And dragons.
- [37:20]
A
Yep.
- [37:21]
B
Dang. Okay. And when it comes to dating and friendships, do you care what sign they are? Usually.
- [37:29]
A
Yeah. I mean, for me, like, when I start liking someone. I mean, when I. Before I was married. Yeah. Like, and it's very common to kind of. For people to just, like, throw. Are you a pig? Oh, you a ox? Are you a snake?
- [37:40]
B
You know, in China.
- [37:41]
A
Right? Yeah, right. In China. And. But, like, families will care. Families will be like, oh, their zodiac signs. Not. Not a good sign for our family.
- [37:51]
B
Damn. Because there are enemy zodiac signs, right? Each one has an enemy.
- [37:57]
A
Yes. So if it's four years. Four years apart. That's. That's. Then it's Chong, which is conflict.
- [38:03]
B
Four years apart.
- [38:04]
A
Yeah. And then it's Liu. He. So it's six years apart. It's good. It's harmonious. And I mean, they. In fact, like, there are families I know in Hong Kong where the. The. Whoever the kid was dating, they were told they could not pursue them because it was a bad bats.
- [38:24]
B
Wow. I wonder if they knew this with arranged marriages, because my grandparents were arranged.
- [38:29]
A
On your mom's side back in Beijing, back in the day. Yeah. Well, arranged marriages, it's kind of like China and India are very similar like this. You just have the birth date. And it's based on that.
- [38:39]
B
Yeah. Because they never even saw each other. Like, they didn't know what the other one looked like. And they got married. Crazy to me. But, yeah, I guess that was. I don't know if they still do.
- [38:47]
A
That, but not anymore. But I think in India they do.
- [38:52]
B
Really?
- [38:53]
A
Yeah.
- [38:54]
B
Yeah. I don't know. I feel like I could. I couldn't do that.
- [38:57]
A
Yeah.
- [38:57]
B
Even if we matched up on the charts, I just. I don't know. I don't think I could do it.
- [39:02]
A
Yeah.
- [39:03]
B
I want to see what they look like first. At least, like. Yeah, I'm six. Six. Like, what if they're like, four feet tall or something? You know, we got a match. And there's more than just, like, looks. But I just want to at least look at them first.
- [39:16]
A
Yeah.
- [39:18]
B
Are you doing another show or is that a one time thing?
- [39:21]
A
The Netflix show was a one time thing. Just launched my own podcast. Mind your man is a podcast about a month or two ago. And. And I'm having a lot of fun with it.
- [39:30]
B
Nice.
- [39:30]
A
You know, like, I don't know if it's the case for you doing your podcast initially. You know, for me, it's like whatever interests me is what I think will interest my audience. My podcast has also become very transformative for me. Like, it. Not only have I learned a lot, but also it makes me reflect a lot on like how, how I bring into my personal life and, and um, yeah, it. There's a lot of, like, it's almost very confronting. Like some things, some of the topics, if they've touched me personally and I think, like, could I have done that better, you know, like in my life? If applying it to my life or how. How will I apply it to my life going forward?
- [40:08]
B
100%. Podcasting is like a form of therapy for me.
- [40:11]
A
That's exactly what it's been for me. Yeah.
- [40:14]
B
Yeah, I get a lot off my chest. I learn a lot. Like you said, meet a lot of interesting perspectives too, from around the world, because a lot of people are in bubbles and they don't get outside perspectives ever.
- [40:24]
A
Yeah.
- [40:25]
B
You know, but I get to meet you. I get to meet someone from Australia, a feminist, someone from the red pill movement, all sorts of people. It doesn't matter, but it's fun. Shout out to podcasting. What's the goal for your show? Like you want to build out a network or.
- [40:40]
A
You know, I think at this point, I guess because it's a new show, just, just kind of like making it 100% as real and authentic as it can be.
- [40:55]
B
That's cool.
- [40:56]
A
Is. Is. Is my first step.
- [40:59]
B
I know you got a wellness brand too, right? You're launching.
- [41:01]
A
Yeah, I have a. It's a feminine care brand. So it's actually a traditional Chinese medicine formulated feminine care brand. So we have wash, wipes and sprays for your down south China. Well, for your vulva. Technically, we don't. We don't have anything for douching. Everything's for the external genitalia. And our brand's called Antivorta, which means goddess of the future in Roman mythology. My co founder, Annie, she's Taiwanese, she actually went into early menopause at the age of 35. So she had major vaginal dryness, which led to vaginal itching. And she tried everything like lasers Injections. She even did acupuncture on her vagina.
- [41:35]
B
Oh, my God.
- [41:36]
A
And nothing worked. Until one day she had a vaginal massage using a traditional Chinese medicine cream. And so when she shared this with me, and me, I'm a total TCM junkie. Like, I grew up in Hong Kong on herbal remedies. And we really bonded over our shared love for tcm. We were always swapping practitioners tips, this and that in Shanghai. And. And I told her, listen, as international Chinese women, let's take what makes us healthy and happy and share with women around the rest of the world. So we spent two years developing the formula we launched a year ago. We just got picked up by qvc.
- [42:10]
B
Wow.
- [42:10]
A
Yeah. Which is actually a very on brand customer for us because it turns out a menopause has obviously been a huge, like movement this. This year. We didn't know that three years ago. Right. Nobody was talking about menopause back then, but we've kind of like ridden this menopause wave and, and also this trend post Covid in the States towards holistic wellness and medicine.
- [42:33]
B
Yeah.
- [42:34]
A
And people understanding that western medicine is about covering symptoms, fixing symptoms, and Chinese medicine is about prevention. And. And so, yeah, we were lucky to catch this wave and very excited to. To bring tcm, you know, to women in New London.
- [42:52]
B
Paris. Let's go get some vaginal massages, ladies. Let's go.
- [42:55]
A
Exactly.
- [42:55]
B
I didn't even know that was a thing.
- [42:57]
A
Neither did I.
- [42:58]
B
Did she have to go outside the country for that or.
- [43:00]
A
No, no, Shanghai is full of them.
- [43:01]
B
Oh, Shanghai.
- [43:02]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Shanghai, because she's, you know, she lives between Taiwan, where our factories are, and her family businesses medicine. And then in Shanghai, and I'm between LA and Shanghai. No, Shanghai is like, women in Shanghai really take care of themselves.
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B
Nice.
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A
And so they're doing like everything. I mean, there's like yoni steaming. There's like literally super nice, luxurious little spas where you go into a room and everybody has their yoni steaming. Do you know what uni steaming is? It's like where you steam your vagina.
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B
Really? What does that do to her? It just.
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A
It's good for you.
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B
Interesting. I haven't heard about yoni steaming.
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A
Gwyneth Paltrow does it. Honestly, Gwyneth Paltrow was really like one of the early adopters of a lot of holistic wellness practices.
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B
I want to try acupuncture. Have you tried that?
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A
I do it twice a week.
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B
Holy crap.
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A
Yesterday.
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B
And you actually notice results?
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A
Yes, I do it to Regulate my period.
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B
It helps with your period.
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A
Because I fly so much, every time I do a long haul trip, my period's delayed by a couple days.
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B
Damn.
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A
So what I do is it's, it's actually in the tailbone of my back. There are these points called the sacral points. In Chinese, they're called baliao. And he does four needles. Four needles in like a V shape. And literally if I'm late, like my period will then come, like very soon.
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B
No way.
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A
Or if I'm spotting. Sorry. To get.
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B
What's spotting? I don't even know what that is.
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A
Spotting is when your period's trying to come, but it's like not coming.
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B
Okay.
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A
You have an eight year girlfriend. How do you.
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B
She's never mentioned this spotting. I don't think guys know what that is.
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A
Okay. It's when you're trying to come, but it's not coming.
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B
Okay.
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A
And you're spotting. Then I'll literally, I'll get that acupuncture done and I'll come off the acupuncture bed and my period will come.
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B
I'll be like, what?
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A
Heavy flow.
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B
That's crazy.
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A
I had a go. I have a girlfriend, she's in New York City. White girl, never been to China. Very good friend of mine, she didn't have her period for a year in her 20s. A year. And then she act. She went to acupuncture for something else. Her back. And her acupuncture is like, oh, like, is there anything else that's bothering you? Anything else going with your body? And she's like, oh, I haven't had my period in over a year. But in her needles, the next day you got a period.
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B
No way. So periods could be like if they're late, it's like an energy blockage thing. Is that the idea?
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A
Yeah. In traditional Chinese medicine, a woman's health begins in her uterus. In health. So your feminine health is, in fact, your period is a report card of your health. Like, are you regular, heavier, light flow, blood clots, do you have cramps? All these things.
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B
Yeah, that makes sense. Some people are. A lot of people. A lot of girls I talk to are late actually these days.
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A
Yeah. And that's because of all sorts of things, like environmental stresses, the food we're eating, stuff we're putting in our body.
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B
The actual pads too are like plastic.
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A
And tampons.
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B
Yeah, the tampons.
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A
Finally they've been exposed. But think about how long we were using them.
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B
Your whole life.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Crazy. Is there an alternative yet to those.
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A
Yeah, now there are so. And I use some. I use an Italian brand that's entirely 100% like natural organic cotton for pads. Yeah, but it's. It's nuts. It's really nuts.
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B
That's crazy. Yeah, I gotta try that.
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A
America is seen as sort of the richest country in the world. Right. But so it's really shocking at the lack of safety and the lack of like surveillance of what's in the ingredients of things we're using compared to other countries.
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B
Oh, 100%. And we don't talk about parasites here. Yeah, I know it's common in eastern cultures to do parasite cleanses, but no one told me about it here until I was like 25. And then I did my first cleanse. I had so many parasites.
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A
Wait, what? I've never. I need to do parasite cleanse.
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B
You've never done one?
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A
No.
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B
Oh. I thought it was normal in China. Really?
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A
What. So what does it tell me about it?
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B
There's different types. There's herbal remedies where you just take them, but you should first find out if you have any. So get a scan done and then see, you got to take specific herbs based off the parasite. So like I had a tapeworm, I had ringworm. All these different ones. Everyone does like if you eat sushi, if you drink top of.
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A
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, and so what kind of scan do you get?
- [47:01]
B
There's energetic scans. I could connect you with my. He's actually Eastern medicine doctor Chris Motley.
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A
Great.
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B
Yeah, he has this device that scans your organs, sees what you have.
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A
I would love that.
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B
Yeah, it's crazy. I had a tapeworm though, because I'm. I've always been skinny. Super skinny, so.
- [47:15]
A
So you figured out you'd had a tapeworm for like 20 years?
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B
I don't know how long it was, but yeah. Some people have like 20 foot long tapeworms in them. You got to pull it out of the throat.
- [47:25]
A
Wait, I thought you poop it out. I have a guy friend who, if.
- [47:27]
B
They'Re well, 20ft, you can't really that one out.
- [47:30]
A
But yeah, it was 20ft long one.
- [47:33]
B
No, not mine, but someone I know. Yeah. Tapeworms can get long because they're eating all the food you're eating.
- [47:40]
A
Wow.
- [47:40]
B
But you definitely have some. Like almost everyone does.
- [47:43]
A
Yeah. Yeah.
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B
Do you eat a lot of sushi and raw meat and stuff?
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A
Not a lot, but like, I do enjoy the occasional. Yeah, I mean, I try to stay away from cold and war stuff because in traditional Chinese medicine it's not great. For you. You want to eat, like, hot cooked food?
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B
Yeah, Hot water.
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A
But, hey, who doesn't like the occasional sushi?
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B
But even when you shower in tap water, could get in your body that way. Through the air. Like, it's everywhere.
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A
Insane.
- [48:08]
B
I'll be curious what you have.
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A
I know.
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B
I'm surprised because I heard it was common in Eastern cultures to, like, do parasite cleanses.
- [48:16]
A
Surprise.
- [48:16]
B
Surprised you haven't heard about that, huh?
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A
I'm gonna go ask my co founder.
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B
Yeah. Find out what's going on there. We'll link the book below. Anything else you want to close off with? Yeah, it's been cool. Both boxes. We got to stick together. Hello, Ox. Well, check her out, guys. We'll link the Netflix show, the book, and your podcast. Thanks for coming on. Yep. See you guys.