Secrets of Longevity: Heal Your Body Naturally | Greg Eckel DSH #1145

Summary

Digital Social Hour: Secrets of Longevity – Heal Your Body Naturally with Dr. Greg Eckel (DSH #1145)
Release Date: January 27, 2025

In this compelling episode of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly engages in a profound dialogue with Dr. Greg Eckel, a seasoned naturopathic and Chinese medicine practitioner with over 25 years of experience. Together, they explore cutting-edge approaches to brain health, the reversal of neurodegenerative diseases, and the integration of Eastern and Western medical practices to achieve longevity and holistic well-being.

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1. Overcoming Insurance Barriers in Healthcare

[00:28] Sean Kelly
Sean opens the conversation by addressing a significant hurdle in the adoption of comprehensive healthcare solutions: the insurance industry. He remarks, "I feel like the biggest barrier to mass adoption is the insurance industry. It doesn't cover a lot of this stuff."
[00:37] Dr. Greg Eckel
Dr. Eckel concurs, highlighting that the current insurance framework often limits patients to disease management rather than holistic healing. He states, "When given the option of I want to get well versus I just want my disease to be managed and be sick, they're going to choose I want to be well now. Unfortunately, the insurance component doesn't cover that."

2. Advancements in Brain Health and Neuroregeneration

[01:00] Sean Kelly
Sean introduces Dr. Eckel, expressing excitement about discussing brain health.
[01:19] Dr. Greg Eckel
Dr. Eckel shares insights about the upcoming publication on Parkinson's reversal, emphasizing the challenges faced in conventional medical communities. He notes, "When you say that in conventional land, they look at you like you're crazy."

3. Innovative Treatments and the Echo Protocol

[03:01] Sean Kelly
Sean inquires about the nature of Dr. Eckel's studies, to which Dr. Eckel explains the development of the Echo Protocol for brain regeneration.
[04:17] Dr. Greg Eckel
He elaborates on the multi-faceted approach of the Echo Protocol, which combines bioenergetic therapies, sound frequencies, and advanced stem cell procedures. Dr. Eckel mentions, "We created the Echo Protocol for brain regeneration."
[05:07] Sean Kelly
Expressing amazement, Sean remarks, "Wow, that's crazy."
[05:08] Dr. Greg Eckel
Dr. Eckel discusses the use of sound bowls to induce heart rate variability and coherence, facilitating deep relaxation and healing.

4. Sound Therapy and Its Healing Powers

[10:04] Dr. Greg Eckel
The conversation delves into the science of sound therapy. Dr. Eckel explains how specific sound frequencies can influence cellular health, stating, "Our cells are listening to every thought you have."
[11:17] Sean Kelly
Sean shares his interest in sound bowl healing, linking it to natural celestial events like the full moon which amplify healing frequencies.
[12:40] Dr. Greg Eckel
He highlights the extensive collection of crystal tone bowls at the Energy for Life Centers, inviting listeners to experience sound baths.

5. Integrating Eastern and Western Medicine

[16:54] Dr. Greg Eckel
Dr. Eckel emphasizes the importance of combining Eastern and Western medical practices for optimal health outcomes. He asserts, "I really think we're out here bringing this message to your listeners and viewers."
[26:11] Dr. Greg Eckel
He further discusses the integration of traditional herbal medicine with modern therapies, advocating for a holistic approach that addresses the root causes of diseases.

6. Environmental Factors and Heavy Metal Detoxification

[33:26] Sean Kelly
Sean raises concerns about environmental pollutants and their long-term effects on health.
[34:35] Dr. Greg Eckel
Dr. Eckel explains the impact of heavy metals like mercury and aluminum on neurodegenerative diseases and outlines methods for detoxification, including chelation therapy. He advises, "You gotta clear those out before you could heal."

7. Dental Health as a Reflection of Overall Well-Being

[37:14] Dr. Greg Eckel
The discussion shifts to the critical role of dental health in overall wellness. Dr. Eckel shares a case where treating a root canal infection alleviated chronic sinusitis, stating, "Once we took care of that tooth, all of her sinusitis went away."
[38:28] Sean Kelly
Sean acknowledges the importance of dental hygiene and considers addressing his own root canals, highlighting the interconnectedness of body systems.

8. The Role of AI and Technology in Modern Healthcare

[25:01] Dr. Greg Eckel
Dr. Eckel outlines the incorporation of Artificial Intelligence in healthcare to streamline research and improve patient outcomes. He mentions, "We're using AI to get better, faster results."
[25:06] Sean Kelly
Sean relates this to his experience with AI in medical imaging, noting the objectivity AI brings to diagnostic processes.

9. Breathwork and its Vital Role in Healing

[32:04] Sean Kelly
Sean expresses curiosity about breathwork practices.
[32:05] Dr. Greg Eckel
Dr. Eckel elucidates the significance of breathwork in enhancing oxygen intake and eliminating carbon dioxide, which is fundamental to cellular health. He states, "The breath is life."
[32:23] Dr. Greg Eckel
He advocates for air quality awareness, linking it to overall health and longevity.

10. Future Directions and Collaborative Healthcare Initiatives

[42:35] Sean Kelly
As the episode concludes, Sean and Dr. Eckel reflect on the growing prevalence of Parkinson's and the urgent need for innovative treatments.
[42:56] Dr. Greg Eckel
Dr. Eckel shares plans for expanding Energy for Life Centers nationwide and licensing the Echo Protocol to facilitate broader access to regenerative therapies. He emphasizes, "We're way better together in a collaborative nature."

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Notable Quotes

• Sean Kelly [00:28]: "I feel like the biggest barrier to mass adoption is the insurance industry. It doesn't cover a lot of this stuff."

• Dr. Greg Eckel [00:37]: "When given the option of I want to get well versus I just want my disease to be managed and be sick, they're going to choose I want to be well now. Unfortunately, the insurance component doesn't cover that."

• Dr. Greg Eckel [02:06]: "We're making a difference."

• Dr. Greg Eckel [03:01]: "The first tenet of longevity is don't die."

• Dr. Greg Eckel [04:17]: "We created the Echo Protocol for brain regeneration."

• Dr. Greg Eckel [10:04]: "Our cells are listening to every thought you have."

• Dr. Greg Eckel [16:54]: "I really think we're out here bringing this message to your listeners and viewers."

• Dr. Greg Eckel [37:05]: "You gotta clear those out before you could heal."

• Dr. Greg Eckel [42:24]: "Parkinson's is no joke, man. It affects the whole family."

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Conclusion

This episode of Digital Social Hour provides an enlightening exploration into natural healing methods, emphasizing the importance of addressing root causes rather than merely managing symptoms. Dr. Greg Eckel's insights into innovative therapies, such as the Echo Protocol and sound therapy, offer hope for reversing neurodegenerative diseases. The conversation underscores the necessity of integrating diverse medical practices and leveraging technology like AI to enhance healthcare outcomes. Furthermore, the discussion sheds light on critical factors like environmental toxins and dental health, which play pivotal roles in overall well-being. As healthcare continues to evolve, episodes like this inspire listeners to seek holistic and proactive approaches to health and longevity.

For more information on Dr. Greg Eckel and the Energy for Life Centers, visit energyforlifecenters.com.

Transcript

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[Sean]

CT mobile.com I feel like the biggest barrier to mass adoption is the insurance industry. It doesn't cover a lot of this stuff.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

I hear that every day to get the best healthcare on the planet, you have to utilize all of the medicines. When given that option of I want to get well versus I just want my disease to be managed and be sick, they're going to choose I want to be well now. Unfortunately, the insurance component doesn't cover that.

[Sean]

All right guys, Dr. Greg Eckel here today. Excited to talk brain health with you. Thanks for coming on, man.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Thank you.

[Sean]

How's your trip in Vegas been?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

It has been a whirlwind.

[Sean]

Yes. We had a good conference last night.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

This. Yeah, the Biohack Yourself documentary is launching and it was a to do.

[Sean]

Yeah, I can't wait to see it. There's a lot of the top world's experts in that. In that documentary. I've never seen something like that.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

It is. They have. The lollies have collected such a, a great assortment. Love their, their discernment of picking who. Who was actually in the, in the film.

[Sean]

Yeah. What was their process for that?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

You know, I think they, they were. It was word of mouth and you know, connecting with the connectors and it spread like wildfire.

[Sean]

That's cool. What's been new in the brain development world?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

What's been new? Well, we are, we're getting ready to publish on Parkinson's reversal, which when you say that in conventional land, they look at you like you're crazy if you.

[Sean]

Say that on certain platforms they delete the video.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

They do not allow that message to come out.

[Sean]

Yeah, that's. That's a shame though, right?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

It is. And that's, you know, a component. I really thank you for having me on to help share that with people. You Know, you get these diagnosis with neurodegeneration, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, dementia, there's not a lot of hope for the patient nor the family. In fact, there's a lot of fear around it. And we, we're making a difference.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember growing up as a kid and hearing Alzheimer's and Parkinson's is irreversible. Right.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yeah.

[Sean]

And you should not question that. So times are changing.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Times are changing. We're living at an amazing time in history where we're right before this hockey stick goes up. The, you know, the first tenet of longevity is don't die. And so in this next 10 years, you know, there is going to be such innovation and change to us that we're. It's just a great time to be alive.

[Sean]

Yeah. Were your studies on this done on any humans? Because I know you start with. With rats usually, right?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yeah, no, I. You know, this one. I'm a clinician's clinician, Sean. I've been in practice 25 years as a naturopathic provider and Chinese medicine practitioner. And currently coming at you from Park City, Utah, at the Energy for Life Centers. We, we have people. The. These folks with this diagnosis do not have time to wait. The innovation. We're in a weird kind of transition time in research. I think the old institutions of the one element, one change and then measure it is so laborious and it's slow. And with the addition of AI and these platforms, we're able to. I'm hoping to expedite the change. So I actually have. I have real people. We, we are working, you know, one. It's got to be the first tenet of medicine is do no harm. So it's got to be safe. There's got to be research on the therapies. And then I'm collating them in the right order and stacking them. And I created the echo protocol for brain regeneration.

[Sean]

Nice. What is. What does that look like? What's the timetable?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

And so we use energy for life centers is a bioenergetic center. So we're using all of the realms. We're using the frequencies, we're using, we're using your biofield, we're using your biochemistry. So we do a lot of the methodology is detect correct and thrive. And it doesn't just have to be four pathologies, although we are showing neuroregeneration, we're showing people getting their brains back. I have DAT scans, which is a radioactive dye that measures into the substantia nigra, which is the portion for Parkinson's. Consistent with Parkinson's. After our echo protocol, substantia nigra. Consistent with the person's age, they're off all their drugs and have no signs of the disease.

[Sean]

Wow, that's crazy.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

It is, it is. It's very humbling. You know, people are traveling in from around the globe for this program and we're utilizing sound. We do sound. Bowls put people into a heart rate variability and heart coherence. It's a deep state of relaxation as the body can heal from that state. So many people are running around in.

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[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Fight, flight or freeze their sympathetic nervous system. You can't heal there. You can't access your greatness. You can't access your frontal lobe and envision a totally healed, totally whole self in the future. So we, we start there. We start with limiting beliefs. We start, you know, this is a dangerous neighborhood to go into by yourself.

[Sean]

Right?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

So we start there. You know what those thoughts are, is your cells are listening to every thought you have. So hopefully there it's loving kindness, it's peace, it's healing. But most of the time we know from adverse childhood experiences, the ACE scores. You know, no one gets outta here alive. Sean. It's a whole component of trauma. We have trauma, whether it be big T, little T. That is an underlying process for neurodegeneration. So we've gotta address that. Then we bring people from the sound bowl room into the procedure room where we're running frequencies like Skeenar technology. We use a device called the My health device. We're playing the bowls, we say intentions into a laser activated and guided stem cell procedure.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

We do an intranasal procedure and a systemic procedure.

[Sean]

Intranasal. So you're shooting something up the nose.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

We do, yes. We use a flexible catheter, no needles involved. But it's a great route of administering the cells to get them into the brain. Also the innate intelligence. That's really what I say I do all day. I do a lot of nothing all day. It's really the innate intelligence and the information coming in. So we're supercharging the body to help it heal itself.

[Sean]

Wow. Damn. You're doing a lot there. There's a lot that's fascinating. So it's not just one thing, it's like a series?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

No, it's a It's a, that's what I was saying in that, you know, the old style of research, it's one item and you know, when you're talking about regenerating the brain and central nervous system, you're needing some momentum.

[Sean]

Right.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

You have this 800 pound goril called disease process and you've got to get the teeter totter moving so you, you lay everything on the other side of that.

[Sean]

That's incredible. The sound bowls I'm fascinated by. It was a full moon yesterday.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yes.

[Sean]

And I've been looking into sound bowl healing.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Oh, excellent.

[Sean]

Because the full moon amplifies it, right?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yes. Yeah. Well, you know, you look, there's so many things there, especially with frequencies. And I was checking out, you know, the other guests that you've had on the show and you definitely have delved into these topics and, and we're bringing that into the procedure room, into clinical encounters and into discussion. You know, we all walk around with these supercomputers in our pockets and it's like, well, how does the information get there? It's traveling in frequency that we can't see. Well, these things are the magnificent supercomputers. I mean these are the original quantum computers, our bodies. So it's, you know, clearing the obstacles to cure, getting the energy running and. And then you put the bowls in there. Well, one, it's crystal crystalline sound and then there's a note which has another frequency and then there's usually, you know, a precious metal or stone in there that also has its own healing qualities.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

That sound. You know, I was doing research this last year. I spoke at the ammg, the age management medicine group, and they almost didn't let me talk. And this is, you know, an alternative group or a more of an integrative medicine group, more open to it. But it was all on the future of medicine as frequency, sound and light.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

And you look at our mitochondria in the cell, they are receptors. We knew they were receptors for light, but they are also sound receptors really. So that five, that vibration, that frequency comes through, hits resistance in our tissue and, and starts vibrating every cell. Now I learned about this early on in my career. Fabian Maman is an acupuncturist and he was also, he was a past symphony member and he was playing, he built beds in the key of C, the key of A. And he would show in the research that certain notes, pure notes, would have our cells, normal cells flourish and shatter cancer cells. And so just taking that, that was like 20 years ago. So Bringing that full circle to today. We're really bathing the body. You know, a lot of people. Have you ever had a sound bath?

[Sean]

I haven't. I want to try it.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Well, next time you're in Park City, you'll have to come in because we have one of the world's largest collections of crystal tone bowls.

[Sean]

Oh, yeah.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

We have gongs, rattles, et cetera. We. We host them for the community up there.

[Sean]

That's incredible. I can't wait. Yeah, I usually don't fit in a bathtub. Too tall.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yes.

[Sean]

I was doing some devices at the conference.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

You don't have to take your clothes off.

[Sean]

Oh, nice.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yes.

[Sean]

Wow. So you get in there fully clothed?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yeah, well, it's a. It's a room. We just do it in the room. The sound ba. You're bathing in frequency.

[Sean]

Okay.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

That's the whole concept.

[Sean]

My friend in Vegas goes to these oxygen baths. Have you heard of these?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

No, I have not.

[Sean]

Yeah, it's a tub of water, but they put, like, a bunch of oxygen in it.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yes, yes.

[Sean]

Yeah. So that's. That's interesting. The power of oxygen to heal the body, right?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Oh, y. Yes. And that is part of the echo protocol. So we. We utilize. We have nanov technology. It's a. A structured water that you inhale that shows it reconstitutes your proteins. That's the basis of a lot of these neurodegenerative states are misfolded proteins. And, you know, I think, why. There's been no major breakthroughs there in neuroregeneration. No one's really talking about prionic activity. You know, this. What is that? I mean, you know, don't glaze over, folks. Listening and watching back to ninth grade science class. Proteins misfold due to traumas, environmental toxicity along these lines. And this is like Mad Cow syndrome in people. You know, we all, I think, have heard of Mad Cow syndrome. So that's like Crutzfeld Jacob disease. And humans. It's tau proteins in Lewy Body dementia. So all of the neurodegenerations have a misfolded protein associated with them.

[Sean]

Wow. And you're able to unfold them or.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Well, that's what we're looking to do.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

So with the resolution and reversal of these conditions, that's what's happening. Yeah.

[Sean]

How common is Parkinson's getting these days?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

You know, it's 1% of the population in the United States, and it's 2% in the state of Utah, where I live. So. Utah has a higher percentage of people with Parkinson's. And, you know, we don't know. I think it's multi, there's multiple causes that we see. It's not agreed upon where it's coming from. I, I think it's coming, you know, 10 to 30 years prior. It's coming from the gut. It's coming up the vagus nerve. 90 of your vagus nerve is going, bringing information from your periphery to your brain so that you can stay in a homeodynamic state. So I, you know, it's like things that we're, we're just not taught how to listen to our bodies.

[Sean]

Right.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

And so we ignore, ignore, ignore. And so there's an accumulation of the innate intelligence. Just keep saying, give you symptom, give you symptom, give you symptom. Pay attention to me, pay attention to me, pay attention to me. And eventually it'll just keep turning that dial up until you really pay attention and then you have no other choice.

[Sean]

Yeah, 2%'s pretty high and that's just diagnosed, so it could be even higher.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yeah.

[Sean]

And I feel like. Is that including Alzheimer's or are those.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

That's just Parkinson's. That's just Parkinson's. Alzheimer's stats and dementia are, it's even worse. You know, it's predicted by 2030, 50% of the population over 65 years old will have some mild cognitive impairment.

[Sean]

Damn.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Or dementia.

[Sean]

That's super high.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

So 50%.

[Sean]

Yeah, that is concerning.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yes. And so, and there, the good news is there's a lot to do. It's just you're not hearing it from, you know, on high. It's not coming from top down. And that's why we're out, you know, bringing this message to your listeners and viewers.

[Sean]

It's needed. Yeah. Because if you go the western route, they're just going to give you a pill. Right.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

There's nothing for dementia or Alzheimer's. You know, the, the medications that have been approved by the, I affectionately call them the fnda, only give you about a month or two and you can't come off of them. They're very expensive and they, they really do nothing for quality of life.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah, that's really concerning. Most people can't even afford it. And the ones that can, it's not effective.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

It doesn't really do. It doesn't do anything.

[Sean]

They don't treat the root cause. That's the problem.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

That's right.

[Sean]

That's why I always gravitated towards Eastern. Yes, I know living in the U.S. it's like a hot take. But yeah, I Like Eastern medicine?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Well, yeah, and naturopathic. You know, I'm here with that message as well. We've been around, you know, before 1930, there was more naturopathic medicine in the United States. You know, it's a very eclectic bunch of providers out of Germany, worldwide. More traditional medicines. And I'll call that traditional medicine of the. The herbal medicine lifestyle, healing with hot and cold water, et cetera. Oxygen therapies. That was the other component of what we have in the echo protocol. You had mentioned this oxygen bath. Well, we do hyperbaric oxygen as well. Putting the body under pressure and then breathing 90 to 100% oxygen drives oxygen into the body. It goes from high concentration to low concentration, and it helps the body heal. We're charging the body battery.

[Sean]

Yeah, I had a TBI. I got a scan at Dr. Amen. Yes, it went away after a year of oxygen chambers.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Excellent. So, yeah, that's a great way. And you know, again, on. It's the same methodology to heal the brain, oxygen being a big one. I've been doing, you know, hyperbaric oxygen for 25 years. Centers and it is, you know, we have one in our living room and we have three in our center. The center is six minutes away. And the kids say, you know, the center is just six minutes away. It's like, yeah, but it's much easier when it's in your living facts.

[Sean]

I feel like the. The biggest barrier to. To mass adoption is the insurance industry. It doesn't cover a lot of this stuff.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

You know, I hear that every day. And if we look at our car insurance, does that cover everything for our car?

[Sean]

No.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

No. What do we have? We have to replace the oil. We got to do the upkeep. We got to change the tires. We have to pay for the windshield. You know, all of those things are on us. And I think we've been sold the wrong bill of goods. Right. I think insurance is important. If you need your life saved, do not come to my center. If you have an acute crisis, an accident, you know, your bone is broken. We need western medicine. There's a. A great. You know, my moniker is where east meets West. Naturally, to get the best healthcare on the planet, you have to utilize all of the medicines and the insurance component. You know, we're mandated to pay for it. I think we should be able to choose what we get. I got out of the insurance gig when I first started. I did 10 years of insurance billing. Then I did a hybrid, and I realized, you know what, there's this third party Sitting in the room here telling me what I can tell you and what I can, what I can recommend. And I just, I kicked him out of the room. I said, you know, this is it. And what I found. Most people when, when given that option of I want to get well versus I just want my disease to be managed and be sick, they're going to choose I want to be well. Now, unfortunately, the insurance component doesn't cover that.

[Sean]

Right.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

It doesn't pay for your well, they're not going to pay for your wellness. They're not going to help you get better.

[Sean]

They don't want that.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

They don't. It's a very, I mean, look, they got a residual like a monthly payment from everybody goes to the drug company, goes to the insurance company. It. And there's nothing in there to say, let's get you better. And I had this epiphany. I was sitting in. I'm from Western Pennsylvania, Johnstown. It's called Eat End Park. Eat an apostrophe Park, Eaton park and tons of food, all you can eat buffet. I'm sitting there with my kids, my Aunt Joan, and I'm looking around, I'm like, wow, everyone is overweight in here and they're eating a lot. And it wasn't, you know, it wasn't organic, it wasn't nutrient dense food. And I thought, you know, this is criminal. We're treating people like products. How much food can we shove down their gullets? How many drugs can we sell them before they get to the grave? That is not living. That's not. I'm really excited for the change that's coming here. It's very high promise. I hope we can actually actualize it of like making America healthy again. Like, it is so exciting. This is the first time in my career where I actually felt like we have a voice on the national level to change the discussion rather than having big Pharma own our airwaves. Programming the mind from the, you know, the television, et cetera, where we can actually talk about the things that matter, like clean food, clean air, clean water.

[Sean]

Yep. Yeah. Shout out to rfk. Yeah, I like what you said about programming too, because that's, that's the daily thing that people are exposed to.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

I mean, I think they should just outlaw direct to consumer advertisements.

[Sean]

We're the only country and you New Zealand, we're the only two countries that allow it.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

So it needs to stop. I mean, like, look, they are, they own the airwaves. They, they clearly censored over the last four Years, you know, so that. That needs to stop.

[Sean]

Yeah. I like how he's questioning the vaccine stuff, too.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yeah. You know, we just want research, you know, like data. Like, that's the component. Like, you really need to run the other way. If you ever hear the science is settled. Because that's not the scientific process. Science is a process. You know, the biggest thing that I advocated for is curiosity. Can we just. No. Like, what's wrong with that? Can we run the studies? Because when you really push on it, they're not there.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah. Should at least be able to be questioned.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yes.

[Sean]

Because I remember growing up, like, they pretty much forced us to get.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

No, the dogma. You're not even allowed to question it. And, you know, the component 96, when Reagan made the Vaccine Safety act, where you could not sue vaccine manufacturer, Then you get Bill Gates saying, this is the most lucrative business on the planet because there's no liability. Well, if you have no liability, guess what happens, right?

[Sean]

You cheap out on everything.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yes. There's no reason. You know, they're just. They're just banking on it. And we're talking about the health of children, our kids, ourselves. You know, we have. In 2015, there was a flu vaccine shortage. And I wrote an editorial for the Oregonian up in Portland, Oregon. And it was. People were freaked out, like, I don't have a vaccine. It was like, well, you actually have an immune system. You have an innate intelligence like you, who are giving. We're perfectly whole here that you can actually manage that. We've managed people through my centers. You know, HIV positive, no immune system, get pneumonia. You're supposed to die from that. We actually have survivors because there are different facets of your immune system that you can activate. All of that knowledge isn't common, but that is the training that we've received, and that's what we've put in. Now, 25 years later, I feel like I'm just getting started in medicine.

[Sean]

Sean. Yeah. That's incredible. Props to you for sticking with it for this long. Because back then, you were probably made fun of and ridiculed way more.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

I mean, do you see these lumps.

[Sean]

On my head 25 years ago? That's when I was born. And that's crazy. Now it's, like, more accepted. But even today, there's still some critics.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And, you know, look, we want research, we use the evidence. Right. We're evidence based. I'm actually creating a database on the back end of the 25 years of clinical practice. And we're we're creating that as the safety zone, then we're going to duplicate it, put AI on it. And I've got AI. I've got the APIs coming in from wearable devices. So I wear the ultra human ring, continuous glucose monitor, your Apple watch, all of that data plus the labs. And I've got clinicians then coming in on this platform so that we can actually get better, faster results prompts, my clinicians in the centers around. Hey, have you considered this? Have you considered that we've got the up to date research in there as well so that we get the best outcomes for our patients?

[Sean]

I love that. I love how health companies are integrating with AI because I got a scan at Prenuvo.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yes.

[Sean]

The other month and a lot of these scans are kind of like subjective. If you show it to 100 different doctors, they'll have different opinions.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yeah.

[Sean]

But with Pernuvo they have AI to review it.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yes.

[Sean]

So there's no like emotions involved.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Right. And it's coming because the patterning that can pick up so many patterns that our human mind can't bridge and it's way more sensitive. So we're seeing that on all kinds of imaging. I want to put it in, in a functional, integrative sense so that we can actually maybe find some new cures, a faster way of getting it done.

[Sean]

Yeah, There haven't been any major cures recently, right?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

No, no, no. In fact, you're taught in medical school you cannot say cure. Oh, you can't, you cannot, you can't.

[Sean]

Say it on certain platforms.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

That's true, that's true. And you know, I think that component and why I say I, I say I do a lot of nothing. It's the innate intelligence healing itself that is the truth. You know, we should maximize all of the facets whether, you know, the lifestyle stuff isn't sexy, but, but it is the stuff that moves the needle.

[Sean]

Right.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

And then you can then put on the fancy bells and whistles. Right. Everybody wants to do the coolest, you know, flavor of the month. Over 25 years, I've seen a lot of flavors of the month come and go. And the things that stick and actually move the needle is really, it's the connection, it's the heart centeredness. It's actually being seen, heard, acknowledged and. And then helped. Right. Supported it, really. You know, I have a red pom pom on my desk, Sean. We see people from around the globe, telemedicine wise, and we'll, I'll actually cheer for them. You know, I Know it can be quite lonely with some of these diagnosis and there's not a lot of support. It's basically here, take your drugs, see you next year.

[Sean]

Right. And that's what I've realized talking to people like you, Dave Asprey and all the top biohackers. The healing part comes from the body. You just got to activate it, figure out how to do that.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

That is it. So remove the obstacle to cure. So get to the root cause. There's multiple roots in. Why I wore a fractal shirt for you today is you go in on the level that resonates with the person. You know, there's not just one path to Wellville. It really is what makes sense to you. Like to give you a for instance, you know, I can treat your whole body on your ear it's auriculotherapy, there's a point that will treat everything on your body. There's Korean hand acupuncture, same thing. Japanese horror diagnosis, diagnosis on the abdomen. So I could treat your whole body on your arm really. So all it's the macrocosm and the microcosm aspect, you know, and these are concepts that I know like Robert Grant came on here and was talking about that. And it's not. These are ancient concepts that we're bringing into clinical therapy now. So it's, you know, the other component for the energy for life centers is we say cutting edge therapeutics through an ancient lens. So with the Chinese medicine background, what I love about it is there's no word for mind body medicine. It's all heart centered and that heart is the portal, that is the healing. And it's how do we heal our heart, how do we drop in. Heal the mind, heal the body, drop into the heart space and create from there to have more love come through in this plane of existence. That's what we all want. We know it, you know, it's like the what our hearts know and desire. That's where we're going.

[Sean]

Yeah. And that's a big thing. You work on heart and brain coherence?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yes. Oh yes.

[Sean]

Connecting the two together.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

That's right. Yeah. With heart rate variability. A lot of these wear. Do you wear any wearables?

[Sean]

No. So I'm. I'm weird with that stuff because of the emf. Like what's your opinion on that?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Well, you can turn it off, right? Yeah. You don't have to have the bluetooth on, it's very low emitting. But you can turn the bluetooth off and then you know, you get the data when you just put it on the charger so you can totally eliminate.

[Sean]

Maybe I should start then.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Well, it's up to you, you know, what gets measured gets changed. It's interesting, right? You know, we come out of the what gets quantified, you know, the quantified self. But I think it can really help move the needle. You know, in particular with sleep. Sleep is such a, you know, lack of sleep is now the new smoking. I heard that most people aren't smoking two packs of cigarettes a day anymore because the evidence is in. That's. Guess what? That's not so good for you. Yeah, well, sleep, same thing. And so, you know, if I, I've. It's a double edged sword though. I don't want people outsourcing their agency or how they feel. You know, I think that's a component. So many of us are walking around in our gray matter of our brains and not in our bodies. And it's really the embodiment of getting back in there like this vessel, the preciousness of the body in our life, you know, we take it for granted so much but you know, knowing so much about how the body works, there's so much mystery about it as well.

[Sean]

Absolutely. Speaking of smoking, you mentioned earlier, have you looked into nicotine at all? That's a controversial one.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Well, nicotine in particular, so the combustion of tobacco with the additives is really where the issue is. And so we have nicotinic receptors in our body. Well, isn't that interesting? There's a plant tobacco on the planet, you know, so I'm definitely a naturopathic doc of utilizing plants in a sacred fashion. We have nicotine, it can improve your cognition, it's a nootropic focus, etc. Now it can also be addictive. So there is that, that aspect in our dopamine nation, you know, where there's so much engineering on creating addiction or keeping your eyeballs on a platform, etc. So the nicotine, actually it can be great for focus. I went on a meditation retreat in Costa Rica where I would do a spray of nicotine before sitting and chanting. And it was really, it was a really nice enhancement actually.

[Sean]

When Dave Asprey came on the other day, he gave me a patch.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Oh yes. Yeah, that. So I've seen Dave do that to many speakers before going on stage and they, you know, nicotine is very potent. Right. How did you try it?

[Sean]

I tried, I put, I did the 3mg one right here. Let it bleed for like 20 minutes.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Got it.

[Sean]

And I felt more focused yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

It, you know, it can also, if you overdo it with nicotine, you can get sweats, nausea.

[Sean]

Yeah. You know, said that that's why you didn't give me the six.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Right. It is. And I, I happen to be very sen. Sensitive to substances and so I don't, I don't quit. I, I think we're, we should be totally sovereign beings in ourselves and you know, they call breath the breath of life. Right, Right. Prana chi. We actually are able to create our own energy in our bodies through breath work. Yes.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yes.

[Sean]

How does that work?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Well, you know, with doing holotropic breath work of Stan's law of grave through any type of breath work box, breathing, four, seven, eight breaths. You know, all of those, it's just getting in touch of bringing. Well, you think about it, you're bringing oxygen in.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

You're eliminating carbon dioxide. That first breath starts the heart pumping. When we come into the world, the last breath, when we die, that's the end of when our spirit leaves our body. The breath is life. So oxygen. You know, there's a. Was kind of joking around with some folks at the Longevity Fest this weekend, and I put it on my Instagram feed around. The new revolution is clean air of the air revolution. Like, we're all talking about what we put into our minds, what we put into our bodies, and it's now, well, what are we breathing? Are we breathing clean air?

[Sean]

Because most likely you're not if you're living in a city. Right, right.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

There's higher particulate matter. You know, when we look in our home, if you have carpet in your home, you may have more toxic air inside than outside because we're bringing all of that in. You know, one simple, one simple health tip is take your shoes off at the front door. Do not be tracking that into your house. Yeah.

[Sean]

And I used to hate that as a kid, but now as a homeowner, I agree with that one. I don't want people's dirty ass shoes.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

That's right. I mean, and you look at what's on the streets, it's a bunch of. I, you know, bunch of crap.

[Sean]

Yeah. I got air filters in almost every room in my house. You think those are effective?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

That is, it depends on which ones, but they are. You know, I definitely, I would say just start in the bedroom because you're in there, what, six to eight hours a day. But yeah, you definitely want to be filtering your air.

[Sean]

Yeah, that's crazy. Is there ways to measure your air quality?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

You know, there are it's, you know, you're looking at what's in it. I think actually online there's some great repositories on particulate matter in your city.

[Sean]

Okay.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

There was a website, I think it did get taken down, where you could put in your zip code and see what was being admitted in the air.

[Sean]

I wonder why that got taken down.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yeah, that one, it was such a great resource and it just went missing.

[Sean]

Yeah. Well, I remember when chemtrails was a conspiracy theory.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

I know, it's really interesting that way. Right? Like, no, there's geoengineering and now it's, it's, you know, all of this stuff is now becoming more transparent.

[Sean]

Yeah. And there's aluminum that's being released in the air, which is why measure heavy.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Metals in all of our patients. So mercury, cadmium, arsenic and lead. Aluminum comes up. You know, since Fukushima in Japan, on the west coast, we have a lot more radioactivity coming down. And it gets concentrated then in the grass into the butter of the cows.

[Sean]

And that was 80 years ago.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Well, it. No, the Fukushima was not too long ago.

[Sean]

Oh, okay.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yeah, the last 20. 20 years. Yes.

[Sean]

Okay. Damn. That's crazy, though. It lasts that long.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yes.

[Sean]

So it doesn't go away. Is there any. Any ways to get that out of the body?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

You know, saunas, sweating, exercise, along these. Now, on the radioactivity, there's just a half life of that stuff that it will run its course. The metals. Yes, we do chelation therapy. I learned early on with heavy metals. You know, I had seen, in particular with Parkinson's, I saw a doc did a push of glutathione, IV glutathione. And this gentleman's became, you know, all of his Parkinson's symptoms disappeared. And I ran that on my first five patients with Parkinson's and nothing happened. Thought, well, I know he didn't hire an actor to do this in there. And I learned in environmental medicine to, well, we should check for metals. Lo and behold, all five of them had metals. Now, not everyone with neurodegeneration have metals, but you need to rule it in or rule it out.

[Sean]

Got it. So you gotta clear those out before you could heal.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

That's right.

[Sean]

And a lot of people probably have metals. I'd say more than 50%.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Well, we store metals in our fat, you know, and we could affectionately call each other fat heads right now. And so the brain is all fat. So we're looking at, you know, it's a limiting factor. It's like you have a Big hole in the bottom of your bucket that, you know, you could put all the goodness up here. It's just going to run out the bottom.

[Sean]

That's interesting. That's good to know, though, because I take the glutathione supplement from Symbiotica, but I need to find out if I have metals.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

It's a good. You've got a test and I used to split test between hair and urine. We. I actually, I recommend doing the urine test pre and the post. There are, you know, very. You've got to get the right provider that understands it. We've been doing it 25 years. When I split test, there's a certain component of the population that doesn't have the genetics to excrete the metals in their hair.

[Sean]

Whoa.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

So it's not an accurate read there. I actually like to give a chelating agent and collect urine for six hours after.

[Sean]

Good to know. So urine's an important test. I've never done a urine test before. I've done a blood test. I haven't done a hair test. But yeah, I think that's, that's good to know for people watching.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Well, we should connect you up with that.

[Sean]

Absolutely.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

The other component on metals, I just. Quick, quick add. Is dental health and amalgams. Now, they're not always using mercury in those silver fillings. A lot of people are getting composites, etc. But I did learn early to address oral hygiene. And root canals are really deadly tooth extractions. Right. You have a meridian that goes to every tooth, root of your body. And I learned early, had a woman about eight months into a therapeutic encounter, and it dawned on me. I never asked, like, have you been to the dentist lately? And she said, oh, no, but I have this root canal that I got to take care of, which is an infection at the nerve root, which was on her maxillary component. She had chronic sinusitis and once we took care of that tooth, all of her sinusitis went away.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yeah.

[Sean]

That's crazy. I. I am playing with the idea of getting mine out. They've. They've tried to take them out for 10 years. The amalgams, the root canals.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

The root canals, yeah. So, yeah, you. You want to go to a biologic dentist and we have some good connects for you if you'd like.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Because you don't want to just do that willy nilly because that can make things a lot worse if you do it incorrectly.

[Sean]

Yeah. I think two of mine have penetrated the skin. There's a word for that, the gum I mean, so they're through.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yeah.

[Sean]

And they all have cavities, so I should probably get them out.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Well, you definitely want to get that addressed because for long term, at 25, that's going to. That will lead to some things that you don't want.

[Sean]

Yeah, we'll definitely set that up. Thanks. Yeah, please connect me after.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean]

Well, that's important. I'm glad the root canal stuff's being talked about more because it's growing up. It wasn't even questioned.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

No, not even questioned. And, you know, this component of. Again, your teeth are just part of your mouth. No, they're actually representative of your whole health. And so you look at it, you know, the Chinese had this figured out long ago of the meridians are running there. And it's also the reflection of the quality of your blood. In a Chinese medicine fashion, the teeth, the hair, the nails are all extensions of the quality of your blood.

[Sean]

That's interesting. Yeah. I've seen charts where each tooth is linked to an organ, right?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

That's right.

[Sean]

So if you have a cavity on one of the tooth, it could mean the organ is suffering.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

It could. Yeah. There's. And again, that's that microcosm macrocosm. Like I was talking about the ear and the hand and the belly, the arm. Same thing with the teeth. It's. So it's this macrocosm, the global in the microcosm. The micro. And you can go in and out, whatever level makes sense to you, and we can help your body heal itself.

[Sean]

I've seen some people. Even with the eyes.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yes, I studied that as well. Yeah, yeah. It's really. I mean, it's the 10,000 things. You can go just forever in, forever out. That's the way it goes.

[Sean]

Yeah. It's super cool. I've never done acupuncture.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

You have not?

[Sean]

No. I was always scared of it growing up.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

I, you know, every day. So for 25 years, I've been practicing acupuncture. I studied over in China at university, Chengdu, even went up into a region of Tibet called Calm. How did they figure that out? You know, it's like every day it's like. It is so. It's so sophisticated. You know, you have pain on your right shoulder. I can put a needle in your left ankle and make it go away.

[Sean]

What?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yes.

[Sean]

That's not.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

It is phenomenal. It's like, you know, like, here's the lights and then the light switches over there. Same connection.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah. And the idea behind it is there's energy blockages Right. Causing the pain.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Exactly. Just like a. You know, you get a kink in the hose and you're trying to water the garden and what happened? It just pressure builds. Same thing with the meridians. Now the meridians there. More and more research coming out on those, on the microtubules. Then we talk about the connective tissue and the fascia and then the energy current running in there. It's. That is super fascinating.

[Sean]

The fascia stuff is nuts.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yes.

[Sean]

I had a guy on walk me through, like, five minutes of fascia movements.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yes.

[Sean]

And I grew an inch. I felt incredible. My face cleared up, like before and after photos, and I couldn't believe it.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

It is. I mean. Yeah. So that instantaneous change. It is so much fun, Sean, to. To have this knowledge and to be able to educate people about it and to say, look, there's a different way. You just have to choose it.

[Sean]

Absolutely. You got plans for more centers around the country?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

We do. You know, we have a lot of interest because of this database that we're creating. It's a very. That's kind of the gold of, like, wow. That is a protected database with that information to create the change. And so we've got. There are plans for brain regen labs or brain regeneration centers. A lot of network in licensing the Echo protocol. You know, the way I look at it, there's way more suffering than anyone can handle. And we are way better together in a collaborative nature.

[Sean]

Absolutely. Yeah. Parkinson's is no joke, man.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yeah.

[Sean]

It affects the whole family.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

It really does. And, you know, when you start talking about it, you'll. You'll know people that have it.

[Sean]

Right?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yeah.

[Sean]

You said 2%.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Yeah.

[Sean]

I mean, it's probably growing, too.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

It is. And younger and younger folks are getting it now, too.

[Sean]

Damn. Yeah, because it used to be, like, when you're old, you would think 60s.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

70S, and 80s, and you sound like my kid.

[Sean]

Age is relative.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Right? Yes. It is a state of mind.

[Sean]

Yeah. Well, Dr. Greg, it's been a pleasure. Where can people learn about you and the centers?

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

We are at Energy for the number4life centers.com.

[Sean]

Perfect. We'll link that below on your Instagram as well.

[Dr. Greg Eckel]

Thank you.

[Sean]

Awesome. Thanks for coming, guys. Check out the links below. See you next time.