Seth Gruber: The Science Behind Why Indulgence Destroys Societies | DSH #1792

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Episode:
Seth Gruber: The Science Behind Why Indulgence Destroys Societies | DSH #1792
Date: January 28, 2026
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Seth Gruber (Author of The 1916 Project, podcast host, and pro-life activist)

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers a provocative and unfiltered conversation about the consequences of unchecked indulgence—particularly sexual liberation, abortion, and pornography—and how, in Seth Gruber’s eyes, these forces unravel societies. Drawing connections between history, neuroscience, and biblical narratives, Gruber presents a case for why defending the traditional family and moral discipline is essential for Western civilization’s survival. Expect a fusion of history, Christian philosophy, and cultural commentary, with both host and guest leaning into contentious social territory.

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Key Discussion Points

1. The Nature of Indulgence and Enslavement

• Gruber opens with the assertion that unrestrained pursuit of sensory pleasure leads to slavery rather than freedom.

  “When you become a purely sensate being, all you want to do is cater to and appeal your senses. You don't become free. You become a slave.” (Seth Gruber, 00:00)

• He parallels various modern dependencies—alcohol, sugar, drugs, sex, and more—as manifestations of this enslavement.
• Connects this idea to neuroscience:

  “Cells that fire together wire together.” (Seth Gruber, 00:38, 21:46)

2. Abortion, Planned Parenthood, and Historical Origins

• Gruber outlines his background as a pro-life podcaster and activist, then expands into broader issues affecting the family and society (00:54–02:00).
• Reveals lesser-known history about Planned Parenthood’s founding members, connecting them to eugenics, KKK, and Nazi Germany:

  “The founding board member of Planned Parenthood was the high official of the Massachusetts KKK chapter and was invited to meet with Adolf Hitler in 1939.” (Seth Gruber, 02:08) “Did a journalistic tour in the Third Reich and sat on a German eugenics court… is the only American to have met with Hitler face to face after he rose to power.” (Seth Gruber, 02:48)

3. Sexual Liberation and Historical Child Sacrifice

• Draws parallels between ancient idol worship (e.g., Asherah poles, BAAL) and contemporary sexual liberation:

  “The two gods being worshiped in Judges 6 are sexual liberation and child sacrifice… those two sins have been linked since time immemorial.” (Seth Gruber, 04:44)

• Argues that societies practicing sexual liberation and child sacrifice (abortion) inevitably self-destruct.

4. The Data on Abortion Post-Roe

• Discusses the surprising increase in abortions following the overturning of Roe v. Wade according to available (and incomplete) data (05:51–08:09).

  “The very next year after Americans lost their federal right to kill babies… Americans apparently got a lot more bloodthirsty and killed more babies.” (Seth Gruber, 08:09)

5. J.D. Unwin & The Collapse of Civilizations

• Introduces J.D. Unwin’s 1934 sociological study, Sex and Culture, documenting 86 civilizations over 5,000 years:

  “He finds a 100% correlation between sexually monogamous, heterosexual, marriage-based cultures and cultural advancement… and a 100% correlation between sexual liberation… and the death and decline of those civilizations.” (Seth Gruber, 08:43)

• Cites Unwin’s conclusion: after a society embraces sexual freedom, it survives about three (30-year) generations before collapse (08:43–13:09).
• Connects the dots: In 1973, he argues, the U.S. ushered in total sexual freedom with Roe v. Wade, the Endangered Species Act, and the removal of federal obscenity laws.

6. Pornography: Societal Impact and the Science of Addiction

• Advocates for banning pornography, describing it as a public poison and a weapon against society (13:36–14:00).
• Describes regulatory battles—notes how Pornhub pulled out of Texas rather than comply with age-verification laws (13:41–14:00).
• Explains how Planned Parenthood provides “pornographic comprehensive sexuality education” in public schools, influenced by the pornography industry (14:01–17:05).

  “How does the pornography industry guarantee its future success? The next generation.” (Seth Gruber, 16:05)

• Historical connections: Hugh Hefner funded the sexuality education movement linked to Planned Parenthood; these curricula often teach children how to access abortions without parental consent and about alternative sexual practices (14:36–17:03).
• Points to international efforts by U.S. administrations to tie foreign aid to the implementation of similar sexuality programs abroad (17:03–18:09).

7. Church, Morality, and Social Decline

• Critiques the Christian church for failing to address abortion and pornography, citing high rates of porn usage among church members and pastors (28:15–28:44).

  “You can assume 50% of the men in your congregation are watching porn on a weekly basis.” (Seth Gruber, 28:32)

• Argues the church abandoned its prophetic role to avoid offending people, seeking cultural acceptance instead of promoting repentance (31:04–32:30).
• Stresses how Christianity historically pioneered children’s rights and social protections:

  “Christianity invented the pro-life movement… and until the church gets back to this, all those same evils will continue to crop back up.” (Seth Gruber, 27:04)

8. The Science Behind Pornography’s Effects

• Cites neuroscience to explain why porn addiction is so powerful:

  “Cells that fire together wire together… What you continue to look at at the moment of arousal will fundamentally change the neural pathways of your brain.” (Seth Gruber, 21:46, 22:49)

• Notes the rising issues of erectile dysfunction among young men who consume large amounts of pornography (23:08–23:33).
• Calls porn “a psyop…a weapon” used to pacify and control populations (23:59–24:22).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Indulgence and Slavery:

  “You don't become free. You become a slave. When you give yourself over to another beer, another glass of wine…When you're constantly giving yourself over to your senses and indulging your appetites, you become enslaved. You do not become free.”
  — Seth Gruber (00:00, 21:08)

• On Planned Parenthood Origins:

  "The founding board member of Planned Parenthood was the high official of the Massachusetts KKK chapter and was invited to meet with Adolf Hitler in 1939."
  — Seth Gruber (02:08)

• On Sexual Liberation & Child Sacrifice in History:

  “Do you think it's a coincidence that the two gods being worshiped in Judges 6 are sexual liberation and child sacrifice? Bro, those two sins have been linked since time immemorial.”
  — Seth Gruber (04:44)

• On Abortion Numbers Post-Roe:

  “Americans apparently got a lot more bloodthirsty and killed more babies the second that Roe v. Wade got taken away.”
  — Seth Gruber (08:09)

• On Porn Education in Schools:

  "Planned Parenthood is not only the largest abortion provider in the world... They're the largest provider of...comprehensive sexuality education in America's public schools...teaches kids how to practice all manner of sex acts."
  — Seth Gruber (14:01–14:36)

• On Histories of Sexual Liberation Leading to Societal Collapse:

  “Once a society embraces sexual liberation... they have three generations left before they're taken over by another culture or society with greater social energy.”
  — Seth Gruber (08:43)

• On Porn as Societal Weapon:

  “Porn is a psyop. Porn is a weapon…Those who are enslaved to their senses are not looking up, they're not looking out, they're looking down. They're not aware of what's happening.”
  — Seth Gruber (23:59–25:04)

• On the Church's Role and Failure:

  "You can't tear down the high places when you've erected Asherah poles in your own living room... The worship of Seth."
  — Seth Gruber (28:44)

• On Christian Identity and Societal Healing:

  "Christianity invented the pro life movement. Christianity invented children's rights…And until the church gets back to this, all those same evils will continue to crop back up."
  — Seth Gruber (27:04)

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Notable Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00 – 00:38: Seth introduces the thesis of indulgence as enslavement; neuroscience behind addiction.
• 02:08 – 03:07: Planned Parenthood founding history and ties to eugenics.
• 04:32 – 05:51: Ancient parallels—sexual liberation and child sacrifice's historic link.
• 05:56 – 08:31: Abortion numbers pre- and post-Roe; data limitations.
• 08:42 – 13:33: J.D. Unwin’s research; Timeline of America’s sexual revolution.
• 14:01 – 17:05: Comprehensive sexual education and its origins; porn industry's influence.
• 21:08 – 23:34: Brain science of pornography; generational shifts in sexual health.
• 23:59 – 25:58: Porn as a societal weapon for pacification and blackmail.
• 28:15 – 29:58: The prevalence of pornography use in the church; implications for leadership and congregations.
• 31:00 – 33:08: Reflection on the church cave-in and call to return to moral clarity.

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Tone

• Direct, challenging, and uncompromising: Gruber is intentionally provocative, using strong language ("baby killing," "bloodthirsty," "enslaved") and invoking historical and religious authority.
• Evangelical: Much of the framework assumes shared Christian or traditional values.
• Conspiratorial/Awake: Host and guest lean into topics suppressed from mainstream discussion, highlighting how historical facts are hidden.

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For Listeners Who Haven't Heard the Episode

This conversation immerses you in a worldview where Western cultural decline is traced to abandonment of moral restraint, especially around sexuality and the family. Gruber lays out a narrative grounded in history, religion, and pop psychology, using memorable analogies and drawing parallels between ancient and modern times. Expect to encounter perspectives and facts rarely discussed in mainstream venues, especially about the origins and impacts of organizations like Planned Parenthood and the normalization of porn consumption. The episode is a polemical call for the church—and society at large—to return to disciplined, traditional values as the antidote to civilizational collapse.

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Transcript

[Seth Gruber]

When you become a purely sensate being, all you want to do is cater to and appeal your senses. You don't become free. You become a slave. When you give yourself over to another beer, another glass of wine, I need another dessert, I need another hit of. I need to shoot up another drug. I need another thing, a pot. When you're constantly giving yourself over to your senses and indulging your appetites, you become enslaved. You do not become free. But we know now because of the science of the brain, which is fascinating when you start looking at porn and what it does to the brain. The science behind Porphy's effect on the brain can best be summarized like this, Sean. Cells that fire together wire together. All right, guys, got fellow podcast host.

[Sean]

Seth here Today, author of 1916 Project. Thanks for coming on, man.

[Seth Gruber]

Yeah, thank you, Sean.

[Sean]

Yeah, fellow podcaster.

[Seth Gruber]

Yeah, Seth.

[Sean]

2019.

[Seth Gruber]

Yeah, the Seth Gruber Show. We do two episodes a week, Tuesday, Thursdays. And, you know, I lead a pro life organization. We're a pro life pro family organization. But for years, I've just slowly evolved my podcast because you can't deal with baby killing, abortion in, like, a cute little isolated box. A lot of people, like, think like, oh, you know, you got the pro life lane, and then you got the anti translane, and then you have, like, the pro marriage, let's overturn Obergefell lane, which, by the way, is amazing. And then you've got, like, the third party reproductive technology lane, and. And then you got the critical race theory lane. It's like, in one way, that's true. In another way, it's actually not like all of those ideologies have a fundamental foundational common denominator. They intersect. And it's important for us, I think, especially as Christians, Sean, to understand ideas, because ideas have consequences and bad ideas have victims. And so we talk about a lot on the show, but it all comes back to the family, the original origin story. That's the foundation of the West. And if we can't protect the family, let's say little babies from being murdered by their own parents, we will lose Western civilization forever.

[Sean]

Yeah, you really were early on in exposing Planned Parenthood, Right? That was a major part of the film.

[Seth Gruber]

Yeah. And it's a book, too, which goes way deeper. The 1916 project, same name. But yeah, you know what's crazy, Sean, is some of my good friends in the conservative culture war space that frankly, are much smarter than me on a variety of topics. They watched this film and were like, what the hell? I have never heard Any of this before. And so, like, I'm not talking about the layperson who just loves Jesus and is trying to provide for their family. I'm talking about culture warriors who fight the left. They were like, I had no idea. The founding board member of Planned Parenthood was the high official of the Massachusetts KKK chapter and was invited to meet with Adolf Hitler in 1939.

[Sean]

And.

[Seth Gruber]

And did a journalistic interview tour in the Third Reich and sat on a German eugenics court to help them reach a positive verdict in sterilizing certain people that they defined as undesirables. And is the only American to have met with Hitler on a one on one, face to face meeting after he rose to power. The founding board member of Planned Parenthood. I never knew that. So we've just been lied to about a lot of stuff.

[Sean]

Yeah. I remember growing up as a teenager, like, that was just a normal option, a normal route to take.

[Seth Gruber]

What, to kill your baby?

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah. Like, people didn't really question it.

[Seth Gruber]

Yeah.

[Sean]

You know?

[Seth Gruber]

Yeah. So I guess the belief, Sean, that we should have the right to orgasms without responsibility is not a new thing. Orgasms without responsibility, that's not a new thing at all, bro. For millennia, civilizations have wanted to have sexual pleasure without any of the responsibility for their sexual choices.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Seth Gruber]

If we want to go way back, Sean. I love the story of Gideon in Judges 6.

[Sean]

No.

[Seth Gruber]

Okay. We're talking, like, way before ancient Rome, and Gideon's, like, hiding up in a mountain cave or a wine press, and they're being oppressed by the Midianites. They kind of had Bernie Sanders, Democratic socialism. And so they produce things and the Midianites steal it.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Seth Gruber]

And so Gideon's hiding up in a winepress and he's threshing his own wheat, keeping it to himself. And God, the angel of the Lord, appears to Gideon in Judges chapter six and says, gideon, walk out of this cave and you go, tear down those Asherah poles and the BAAL statues. Now, for people who don't read the Bible or they're not Christians, like, what was just said is fascinating. The Asherah poles, or Ashtoreth, was the fertility sex goddess. And in antiquity, they would worship her through orgies.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Seth Gruber]

And free the libido. It was like a Woodstock party. Okay. If it feels good, do it. But what happens when you live like that? You know, you're just having sex with everything. Babies.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Seth Gruber]

Yeah. When you just do you and you have sex with everything? Well, as long as it's a woman, obviously, like Pete Buttigieg. Can't reproduce babies. Well, that's why we have bail. They would sacrifice children, Babies, infants, to BAAL and Molech. Okay, these are demons. Obviously. It's not a little bronze idol. These are demons. So do you think it's a coincidence that the two gods being worshiped in Judges 6 are sexual liberation and child sacrifice? Bro, those two sins have been linked since time immemorial. We want to do a bunch of sex stuff. Feel good. Oh, shoot, there's a baby. Let's kill it. Dude, that goes back millennia. And child sacrifice has always been the foundation of a teetering empire. Like a nation that kills its own children will eventually die by suicide. Whether you're a Christian or not, whether you're a liberal or a conservative or not, it doesn't freaking matter. That's a historical fact. You cannot continually embrace sexual liberation and baby killing and expect your nation to continue to flourish.

[Sean]

Yeah, what are the numbers on abortions these days? Have they gone up? Have they gone down?

[Seth Gruber]

Dude, that's the horrific thing, John, is that the year after the overturning of Roe V. Wade. So 2022, Roe gets overturned, right? 2023, 2024. We get the numbers from Planned Parenthood, Statistical Research Branch, Guttmacher Institute. They give us the numbers roughly on how many abortion. How many babies were killed the year after the overturning of Roe vs Wade? Bro, over a million. Which means. Watch this. That was a higher number at annualized rate than we had seen in over 10 years.

[Sean]

You said a million last year.

[Seth Gruber]

This is 2023. 2023, but I think 2024 was about the same.

[Podcast Announcer]

But is that worldwide or.

[Seth Gruber]

Here's the thing, why I'm stumbling, Sean, is because no one actually knows. You wanna know why?

[Sean]

Why?

[Seth Gruber]

Cuz Bill Clinton said that states no longer have to report their abortion data. Why is that? You could thank Clinton for this. Okay, so guess. Oh, guess what? Some of the states who don't report their abortion data numbers are California, Oregon, Washington, Washington, D.C. some of the states that kill the most children. So I guess I'm telling your listeners, anytime you hear a certain number of how many babies were killed in America.

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Sean, it's probably way more.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Seth Gruber]

Cuz states are not required to report their abortion data. But the numbers we did get the year after the overturning of Roe v. Wade. What does this mean? It means the very next year after Americans lost their federal right to kill babies and it only became a state decision, Americans apparently got a lot more bloodthirsty and killed more babies the second that Roe v. Wade got taken away. Then they were killing in the 10 years leading up to the overturning of Roe versus Wade.

[Sean]

Oh shit.

[Seth Gruber]

Okay. This is a problem for society. This is not. This is why you can't just say oh, stay in your pro life lane. It's like, no, this is where societies go to die. Have you ever heard of J.D. unwin?

[Sean]

No.

[Seth Gruber]

This is fascinating. Dude, your listeners will love this. He writes a book called Sex and culture in 1934, so 91 years ago. He's a sociologist. Anthropologist. Historian. He's doing a study. It's data, it's not commentary, it's not like an opinion book. He's writing on why cultures die. He studied 86 civilizations over 5,000 years asking the question, why do societies flourish and why do they decline or die? And he finds a 100% correlation between sexually monogamous, heterosexual, marriage based cultures and cultural advancement, cultural energy, cultural power, like the cultures and societies that build things. Right. And he also finds a 100% correlation, John, between sexual liberation, free the libido. We want to codify all manner of sexual quote unquote rights and the death and decline of those civilizations. Now what's interesting, why most people don't know about this work. And dude, the book's like this fat dude is because it's a total indictment on liberalism. It's a total indictment on libertarianism. It's a total indictment on squishy conservatism that says, like, I want to have my cake and eat it too. I want to legalize gay marriage. I want to legalize throuples. I want to legalize the gays getting kids. I want to legalize single adult pedophiles who don't have to have a background check before they can rent a poor woman's uterus and get a baby. I want to remove the laws against sleep sodomy, and I wanna legalize all porn. But also I want a really strong America with a strong national defense and a people that's strong enough to continue their society flourishing for the next generation. You can't have it both ways. That's basically his findings. And so it's a total indictment on really the liberal project 91 years ago. And his conclusion in studying 86 civilizations over 5,000 years is once a society embraces sexual liberation or sexual freedoms, they have three generations left before they're taken over by another culture or society with greater social energy. But he defined a generation by about 30 years a little different than we do now. He wrote in 1934. And so my contention is this, Sean. America embraced total sexual Freedom in 1973 for three reasons. One, Roe vs. Wade legalized killing babies in the womb through all nine months of pregnancy in all 50 states funded by the taxpayer. Secondly, the Endangered Species act the same year, Sean, we gave more legal rights to porpoises and sea turtles than human babies. And thirdly, we removed the obscenity laws that stopped the distribution of pornography, all in 1973. So my contention is you don't have total sexual freedom unless you have the right to eliminate the products of your sexual freedom babies. In other words, are you truly, totally sexually free if you have to take responsibility for your sexual choices? No. You're only totally sexually free if you can kill the products of your sexual freedom babies. All three of those things happened in 1973. So if I'm doing my math right, 73 takes us to 2003. 2003 takes us to 2033. We're approaching the beginning of the third and final chapter, if nothing changes.

[Sean]

So after 30 years. So in 2016, he says you have.

[Seth Gruber]

Three generations, and he defines a generation by 30 years. So basically, when a society embraces total sexual freedom, JD Unwin argues that you have about 90 to 100 years before your civilization and society decays to the point that the people are just not moral or strong enough to prevent the decline of their civilization or a takeover by a society, country, or culture with greater social energy. And so I usually don't like to approach history from a technical standpoint like that, but no one's really been able to argue against or indict his work. And when you look at a sexually mutilating kids flushing 700,000 babies who are boarded through the abortion pill down the American sewage system every year, children who have been kidnapped by various states around the country because their parents didn't support gender identities. And I mean, this is where civilizations go to die.

[Sean]

Damn, that is crazy. That is crazy. So 90 to 120 years. So within our lifetime, if we continue this.

[Seth Gruber]

Yeah, I'm 34. And so if I'm right about, like, I think it's pretty powerful argument that 1973 is the beginning of total sexual freedom. G.K. chesterton once said, wherever there is animal worship, there will be human sacrifice. Yeah, but that literally happened in the same year. In 73, we gave more legal rights to animals while declaring open season on babies in the womb. And then we said, here's a bunch of porn, America. Have fun.

[Sean]

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[Seth Gruber]

All of that happened in 73.

[Sean]

Do you want to see porn get banned?

[Seth Gruber]

Oh, absolutely. It's poison right now.

[Sean]

It's age limited in certain states.

[Seth Gruber]

I've noticed that. And does that tell you everything you need to know, by the way, Sean, about pornhub in the pornography industry, that when Texas did the whole decision, like, you got to put in, improve your license and show your age and everything, they pulled their business out of Texas rather than comply with Texas state law. What does that tell you? That the pornography industry's primary clientele and focus in their marketing is minors. Wow. And by the way, that all goes together, too. So back to Judges six, right? That sexual liberation free the libido. If it feels good, do it. Always goes together with baby killing. Yeah, that's continuing to be true. One of the things we unveil in my film, the 1916 Project, we'll link it in streaming on Daily Wire plus, or any church in America can go to the 100916project.com and host a screening for your people, your sheep, your congregants, or get the book. We revealed that Planned Parenthood is not only the largest abortion provider in the world. They boast on their own website, Sean, that they're the largest provider of the Pornographic comprehensive sexuality education in America's public schools. Now, people don't know what that is. It's not the birds and the bees. I'm not talking about, like, male gametes and female gametes. And this is how babies are made. That's not comprehensive sex ed. Comprehensive sex ed CSE covers cultural Marxism, gender theory, transgenderism. Many times it actually teaches minors in public schools how to circumvent the law and get a judicial bypass so minors can get state permission to get an abortion without parental consent or knowledge. They use the genderbred man to teach gender theory and the gender spectrum and all this stuff. It teaches about anal sex. It teaches kids how to practice all manner of sex acts. I've studied all, I've seen the curriculum. So this is called comprehensive sexuality education. Okay? In 1964, Planned Parenthood had a national medical director. Her name's Mary Calderon. Mary Calderon left planned parenthood in 64 to found an organization called CCUS. It stands for the Sexuality Information Education Council of the United States. Ccus, okay? CCUS is still around today. Their new tagline, by the way, at CCUS is sex and. And for social change. So they're just openly admitting we use sexuality education to change the social fabric. It's not about communicating how babies are made to 10th graders or 5th graders. And guess who gave the seed Money to launch CKUs to Planned Parenthood's former medical director, Hugh Hefner, the founder of Playboy magazine. The pornography industry funded the origins of the comprehensive sexuality education movement, which. Which, by the way, anyone seen any viral videos in the last few years of an angry mom or dad speaking at a school board meeting? My brother John Amanchukwu's big black guy warrior. He's in the film, my film, the 1916 Project. He went viral, right, because he would read these filthy books or education to the school board, okay? That all comes from comprehensive sex ed. That all comes from Planned Parenthood. The pornography industry funds the pioneer group that creates this education for kids in the public school. Now, if you have like a semi functioning prefrontal cortex, you should be thinking right now, conflict of interest. Conflict of interest. Right, of course. How does the pornography industry guarantee its future success? The next generation. This is true of any business model. If the next generation is not interested in your product, you're going to go out of business. So, hey, kids, here's some porn. But we're going to wrap it up as, like, Education and Health and Sex Edition. And then they start looking at your.

[Sean]

Wow, right?

[Seth Gruber]

And the founding board member of ckus, Sean, again, people don't even know this. Something no one's heard of. Cicus. They're not just a national company. S I E C U S. The Sexuality Information Education Council of the United States. They're international. They work with the United Nations. Yeah, they push their sex out onto impoverished countries. By the way, dude, Sean, you know, Obama did this all the time. And the Clintons, they would approach impoverished countries who wanted U.S. aid. And guess what? Like the former Democrat administrations would do to impoverished countries. They'd say, we will give you aid if you let us run your sexuality education programs, pushing the same kind of filth about gender theory and abortion and all manner of weird sex stuff. And countries like Uganda, for example, that's not on board with all the sexual revolution. They would basically say, screw you. We don't want that in our country. Right. And so the left always complains about colonialism, right? Oh, the right is colonialism taking over different societies and cultures with their values. It's like that's exactly what the libs in the Democrat parties continue to do when they approach impoverished countries. Hey, let us teach some abortion education. Let us teach some sex ed to your poor people in your country. And then we'll give you usaid.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Seth Gruber]

The founding board member of sikus. When Mary Calderon from Planned Parenthood establishes this group, his name was Wardell Pomeroy.

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[Seth Gruber]

Wardell Pomeroy was part of the pro incest movement.

[Sean]

Pro incest.

[Seth Gruber]

Pro incest. That was a Movement pederasty, diddling the kids, like the most demonic stuff you could think of. Wardell Pomeroy again, I know this is a lot of, like, historical information, but, like, it's all connected to today. He was one of Alfred Kinsey's many gay lovers at the Kinsey Institute at Indiana University, where we get all of this filth from. The point is this. Do you think it's a coincidence that the largest abortion provider in the world, Bayal Baby Killing, is also the largest provider of pornographic education in the public schools? Asherah polls. We're back at Judges 6. Worshiping sexual liberation and sacrificing your children. They always have gone hand in hand.

[Sean]

Wow. So, man, you've done your research. Holy crap. I've never seen someone be able to bridge the two worlds like you all.

[Seth Gruber]

Well, thanks for letting me soapbox for a moment.

[Sean]

No, I am honestly blown away because like you said, said, I've never heard of Seekus. I've never heard of a lot of this stuff. This is crazy. They definitely suppress this information, right?

[Seth Gruber]

Well, and, and here's why they take that approach, Sean. The, the, you know, the. The patristics, the church fathers, they understood that lust darkens the mind, right? That when you give yourself over to indulging your appetites. And I don't just mean food, right? Like, like porn, video games, Netflix and Chill, Entertain me pleasure, right? Like when you become a purely sensate being, all you want to do is cater to and appeal your senses. You don't become free, you become a slave.

[Sean]

Interesting.

[Seth Gruber]

When you give yourself over to, you know, another beer, another glass of wine. I need another dessert. I need another hit of porn. I need to shoot up another drug. I need another thing. A pot. When you're constantly giving yourself over to your senses and indulging your appetites, you become enslaved. You do not become free. But we know now because of the science of the brain, which is fascinating when you start looking at porn and what it does to the brain. The science behind pornography's effect on the brain can best be summarized like this, Sean. Cells that fire together wire together. Have you heard that before?

[Podcast Announcer]

Cells that fire.

[Sean]

No.

[Seth Gruber]

Cells that fire together wire together. So this is what this means when you're constantly. Well, let's just get PG13, I guess. When you're constantly reaching arousal, and it's never associated with a wife, it's never associated with a human, it's associated with prostitutes on a screen, and you continue to do that. I mean, the average age of pornography exposure for boys in America in 2025 is eight years old.

[Sean]

Stop it.

[Seth Gruber]

So my son turns eight on Christmas. Eight, you know, and now remember, like, I'm 34, okay? I'm a millennial, and millennials are horrible. Like, I'm here today to apologize on behalf of my generation. But, like, we were the last era to have. I'm 34. We were the last era to remember a childhood kind of without Internet.

[Sean]

I didn't watch porn.

[Seth Gruber]

Or maybe dial up.

[Sean]

I think 15 is when the first time I saw this.

[Seth Gruber]

I remember my parents had. I remember them getting that, you know, the Internet.

[Sean]

So.

[Seth Gruber]

But now this generation, it's like, parents are dumb enough to, like, say, here, nine year old, here's an iPhone. Like, you just gave your kid porn for Christmas.

[Sean]

Instagram is basically porn these days.

[Seth Gruber]

That's right. And it's on X. It's on everything. And so I don't keep those apps on my phone for a reason. But, like, so what we know about the science behind pornography now is that what you continue to look at at the moment of arousal will fundamentally change the neural pathways of your brain.

[Sean]

Holy crap.

[Seth Gruber]

So guess what's happening with, let's say, a millennial, a younger millennial who's like 29 or 30, and he's been looking at porn every multiple times a week for 10 years. Now he gets married. Guess what's happening, Sean, with old Gen Z and young millennial men.

[Sean]

All dysfunction.

[Seth Gruber]

They have ed.

[Sean]

Yep.

[Seth Gruber]

A lot with their wife.

[Sean]

Yep.

[Seth Gruber]

Why? Because they continue to only have arousal associated with what they're looking at on the screen. Cells that fire together, wire together. So now the cells firing in your brain in terms of, you know, orgasm and arousal, you're wiring those cells to images on a screen, and now that's the only way that you can perform.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Seth Gruber]

Are you free? No. You're a slave, dude. You're an absolute slave. And people who only look at their own navel. Navel gazing, just all you care about is yourself. Those people are very easy to control. And this strategy goes back ages. Porn is a psyop, then porn is this. Porn is a psyop. Porn is a weapon. Wow. Okay. Have you ever heard of Caligula?

[Sean]

Why have I heard of that?

[Seth Gruber]

You've heard of Nero? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Famous for persecuting Christians and blaming them for the Great Fire in 64 AD. Well, Caligula was the Caesar who reigned during the events of the Book of Acts. Okay, right. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts. Caligula is the Caesar in Rome during the events of the Book of Acts with the birth of the early church. Caligula was insane. He was one of the first times that you begin to see sex used as a weapon.

[Sean]

Really?

[Seth Gruber]

He. And by the way, we see this today with, like, you know, with Epstein and Sean Diddy Combs. And it's the same strategy.

[Sean]

Blackmail.

[Seth Gruber]

Yes. Augustine called it libido dominanti.

[Sean]

How did they do it back then, though, without.

[Seth Gruber]

So. So, so, so. Well, the. The thing about Caligula is that he wasn't just a sensate reprobate, although he was. He was actually quite the intellectual.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Seth Gruber]

And he knew what he was doing. So he. He. I think he debauched all of his sisters.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Seth Gruber]

Would sleep with the wives of the members of the Roman Senate and then would force the members of the Roman Senate into all manner of orgy, sexual insanity. And when they succumbed, he owned them and would blackmail them into doing what he wanted. So this happens at the political level in two different ways. We know that sex is used as a weapon because we hear the stories. We know that there's weird stuff that goes on in dc.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Seth Gruber]

And we often don't know how to explain a former conservative warrior who we thought was with us, who out of nowhere caved on a really important piece of legislation. I can't prove it, Sean, but, like, we kind of know. Someone went over there and said, I have this video of you doing this thing at the bar, that party the other night. I don't want to release it. So we just need your vote on a couple of bills. We know that happens. So sex and porn is a weapon in two ways. One, in that way, direct blackmail. But two, by enslaving a populace to their appetites and urges, because those who are enslaved to their senses are not looking up, they're not looking out, they're looking down. They're not aware of what's happening in the country. They don't care about the death of the Republic, the killing of babies, the redefinition of the family, and the sexualization of children, because all they care about is their belly, their appetite, and their senses. Those people are very easy to control.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Seth Gruber]

And all of this is wrapped up in the sexual revolution. All of this goes back millennia. We see the same things in Babylon. None of this has changed. What has changed, Sean, is the Church of Jesus Christ. Christians are asleep in the light. They're no longer aware. They're no longer in tune with what makes God angry. We're no longer in tune with history that we've seen These things before, and they're coming back. And historically, the only institution or people who stood against this kind of madness was Christians. Why? Because Jesus became a baby. He took the form of the weakest thing in society, and then he was murdered for our sins and for our salvation. And so this furnishes the idea of children's rights that. No, no, no, you don't get to say children have less value. They're equally valuable. They're image bearers of God. Why? Because your Savior became one of those children. He became a little baby. And if he had value, then so does Sean, then so does Seth, and so does everyone else. Christianity invented the pro life movement. Christianity invented the children's rights movement. Christianity invented the protection of marriage in the family. And until the church gets back to this, all those same evils will continue to crop back up.

[Sean]

Yeah, because now Christians are watching porn, right?

[Seth Gruber]

What's that?

[Sean]

Now Christians are watching porn. They've lost their values, right?

[Seth Gruber]

Yep, that's right.

[Sean]

What are the stats on. Do you know what percentage of people watch porn?

[Seth Gruber]

Oh, my gosh, dude. The number of Christian men or pastors. Because, you know, pastors have been polled about this.

[Sean]

Really.

[Seth Gruber]

The use of porn in the church and with pastors is basically, if you look at it at your church, you can assume 50% of the men in your congregation are watching porn on a weekly basis.

[Sean]

And that's within the church. So it's probably even worse outside of the church.

[Seth Gruber]

Oh, absolutely. And many pastors, like, there's great research on this by Barna Institute. But like pastors, huge percentages of pastors are addicted to porn and watching it on a regular basis. So this is one of the strongholds that Satan has in the church. I guess I'll put it like this. You can't tear down the high places when you've erected asherah poles in your own living room. Right. The worship of Seth. Asherop. That's what I was referring. Judges 6. It was the representation of sexual worship. When a man is doing that in his own bedroom, in his own home, while his wife and children are asleep, that man cannot fight or defeat what he is enslaved to. You can't take people somewhere you have not gone. You can't defeat out there what you have not defeated in here. And that's why the church is so important. That's why the prophetic role of the pastor is so important. Calling their people to personal holiness, to repentance. You get it right in here first.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Seth Gruber]

Then you get it right in your home with your wife. And children. And you'll change the world.

[Sean]

I love it. Is it a deal breaker for you personally if your pastor watches porn?

[Seth Gruber]

Oh, of course. I just said. Now listen, do men and women occasionally stumble and mess up? Yeah, but the issue is repentance and putting yourself under discipleship and the authority of others. But yeah, if a man is enslaved to sexual sin, he has no business leading the church.

[Sean]

Wow. Wow. So that needs to be fixed then.

[Seth Gruber]

Yeah. And so what are two of the biggest issues, by the way, that the church, by and large, Sean, never talks about in America? Abortion and porn. And I've seen the data on this. Like, churches routinely don't talk about these issues. But in my opinion, John, these are two of the issues destroying the West. They are the most significant civilizational, foundational issues of a society. The family, procreation, babies, children, sexual sin. And when the church doesn't deal with these issues, this republic is going to crumble very, very fast.

[Sean]

When did that start happening, you think? Where the church stopped talking about those issues?

[Seth Gruber]

Yeah, that deserves like a full another 30 minutes, but I'll do it briefly. This is my next film, by the way. My next film is called the Last Stand. And it gets into the glorious forgotten history of the church over 2000 years standing against all these same evils. And we've forgotten who we are. But anyways, why did the church pull away? I guess the short answer is we traded our birthright for a bowl of porridge. We wanted the accolades and attaboys and love of the culture. We wanted to try to manufacture Jesus to make him look really attractive. But if you're going to do that and you live in a post Christian society where most Americans kind of are on board with abortion, they're kind of on board with porn, and those people are coming to your church if you start preaching a bold big boy gospel, preaching righteousness against those evils, well, some of those people might not come back to your church. They might be offended by that. They don't like that kind of Jesus. They want the Jesus that says I love you, not the Jesus that calls you to repentance. And so this is a huge issue in the church in America, is that if they do touch these issues, they die the death of a thousand qualifications and they don't actually lead well on this. And so at the White Rose Resistance, this is what we do. We don't just make films. We launch resistance chapters around the country, mobilizing, historically the most powerful organism for change in the world, the Church of Jesus Christ, to stand against these evils. We just shut down a huge abortion clinic in Boulder, Colorado, that was led by Warren Hearn, who has been killing babies in the third trimester since 1973. He's in his 80s. And we just shut down that abortion mill in Boulder, Colorado, because we had so many Christians outside of it on a routine basis. Wow. So when we fight these issues, we're not just fighting for the unborn, we're actually fighting for the soul of the west and the foundations of a nation. Because historically, whether you like it or not, a nation that kills its own children will eventually die by suicide.

[Sean]

Thanks so much for your time, Seth. I've learned a lot. Can't wait to watch your films.

[Seth Gruber]

Thanks, brother.

[Sean]

We'll link your your companies. Anything else you want to close off with?

[Seth Gruber]

Yeah. Subscribe at the Seth Gruber show and follow us at TheWhiteRose Life for more information.

[Sean]

Thank you, Seth. Thank you. Check them out, guys. See you next time.

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[Sean]

Thank you.