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She Was Pro-Choice… Then This Happened... | Lydia Taylor Davis | DSH #1964
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The abortion debate is changing fast — and Lydia Taylor Davis says most people have no idea how extreme it has become. In this episode of Digital Social Hour, Sean Kelly sits down with Lydia Taylor Davis, spokesperson for Students for Life, to break down the abortion debate from inside the campus culture war. Lydia shares how she went from being pro-choice to becoming one of the most outspoken pro-life voices in the country. She explains what she sees on college campuses, why Gen Z may be shifting on abortion, and how protests against her often end up helping her message spread even further. The conversation goes into some of the biggest flashpoints in the abortion debate: chemical abortion pills, late-term abortion, IVF, Planned Parenthood, hookup culture, declining birth rates, and the role men play in the issue. She also shares stories from undercover investigations, campus protests, threats after Charlie Kirk’s death, and the emotional moment when a mother she helped chose ...
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Lydia Taylor Davis
There are fully viable babies that are being aborted in this country. At least 10,000 late term abortions happen every single year just in the United States. Major cities like New York, a black baby is more likely to be aborted than born. I went undercover with Students for Life. We did an undercover investigation to see if I could pose as a minor and get chemical abortion pills shipped to my address. And I could. And they did not verify one thing about me. They didn't verify my age. They didn't verify I could have been abuse trafficker. They didn't care. All they wanted was money and they'll send them right to you. And actually you can if you give them some sort of excuse of oh, I can't pay for them, they'll oftentimes even ship them to you for free.
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Podcast Host
Okay, guys, got Lydia Taylor Davis here today. We're going to talk about an important topic today, aren't we?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yes, we are. I'm excited.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, abortion had your colleague Kristen on the show and was learning a lot about it, but excited to hear your perspective and how you got into all this as well.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yes, thank you so much for having me.
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Podcast Host
Absolutely. So basically, for those that don't know, you basically go to campuses and bring up the topic of abortion, right?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yep, that is correct. I have been doing this for years now with students for life. I go to college campuses where the most misinformation is being spread about abortion and I confront those students. I have crowds show up that are willing to engage in debate and sometimes they protest me and scream at me, but sometimes I have great conversations and it's really powerful to get to see hearts and minds change.
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Podcast Host
Yeah. I know you film at all sorts of campuses across the country, but overall, are most of the people there disagreeing with you that are in the audience?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
It depends on the school. Obviously there's areas of the country that are way more pro abortion. I've been surprised though. I think that really my generation, Gen Z has become more pro life. And we've seen that come out in polls that Gen Z, there's been an increase in young people identifying as pro life. So I have seen that. I've had people come up and, and become pro life there. I had a guy come up to the microphone one time and say, I've been here for five minutes and I'm 100 pro life now.
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Podcast Host
Wow.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
And so I think really, I mean, especially following the tragic death of Charlie Kirk, we've seen this increase of people excited to find the truth and becoming pro life and becoming passionately pro life. And so it definitely is a mix. And I've had literally antifa show up and mob me and try and get me off campus before. So it is hard. And I have to wear bulletproof vests now on these campuses, sadly. But overall, I mean, it's. It's really powerful to see this really revival happening on these college campuses.
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Podcast Host
That's crazy. Where did antifa pull up? Where campus was?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah. So I. It's. Something is going on with Virginia, I'm telling you. That's where I live. Both vcu, Virginia Commonwealth University and University University of Mary Washington. I had students show up and just. They were. I mean, obviously were threatening me, but just evil screaming at me, calling me a fascist. Because clearly the people that are. That are yelling at you and trying to silence free speech are totally anti fascist. It was. It was completely ironic that the side that claimed to be anti fascist was engaging in those behaviors. And so they. They did not successfully chase me away, though, thankfully. If anything, I sometimes, as ridiculous as they are, I get a little bit encouraged when they show up. Because anytime I have people protest me, I have people that become pro life because they see that behavior of the other side. They see how violent and angry and hateful they are, and they go, I don't want to be on that side. I want to be on the pro life side. So I can't be too mad when it happens.
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Podcast Host
Yeah. So they're actually hurting themselves.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yes, absolutely.
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Podcast Host
That is interesting. Yeah. I was actually surprised when I talked to Kristin. She said, you guys are changing, like, I think eight to 10 people each time you go on campus.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think it's even more now. I think just young people are just so excited to pursue truth. And I mean, our work has exponentially grown. We hit 1600 student groups across the nation. So that's 1600 schools, middle school, high school, college, where there is a pro life campus group that's changing hearts and minds. And so it's every single day we're out there changing minds. We changed over 200,000 minds on abortion last year, in 2025. So it's great. It's really going wonderful.
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Podcast Host
Yeah. That's impressive. When did you start questioning this? Because when I was in high school, college, like, it was so normalized and Jersey, where I grew up, that, like, when a girl would get it, no one really brought up questions. But now it's being talked about, right?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yep. Yeah. I actually myself was once pro choice. I was raised in a pro life Christian family, but no one ever talked about abortion. And so being a young person on social media and talking with friends, all I ever heard was that narrative of women's rights and health care. And I'm like, of course I support women's rights. Of course I support health care. And it wasn't until high school I had a foster sister that I cared very deeply about. I always had a heart for children in need and caring deeply about her. One day in high school, I was talking to my peers and they were kind of talking about abortion. And again, I didn't know much about it other than it was health care. And I was kind of just listening in until one of the students in my class said to me, lydia, we need abortion because foster children like your sister are better off aborted. And I was like, what? What did you just say? And I mean, in that moment, I had to imagine a world without my sister and without the joy she brings to this world. And I realized that abortion was not something that was good. It wasn't a solution to any problems that the abortion industry is advocating to eliminate foster children instead of support them like the pro life movement is doing. And so I went home quickly, did my research, found students for life, became unapologetically pro life, and have been involved ever since. And now it's my full time job.
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Podcast Host
Wow. Yeah, I've seen a fair amount of debates on the topic. I feel like the other side always brings up really extreme examples. Examples like the grape stuff and just crazy stuff that isn't common. You know what I mean?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Absolutely. They use, I think it's hilarious, they claim to care about women, but really they're just exploiting those 1% stories, this 1% cases, to justify abortion for any reason up until the moment of birth. And so they take these stories because I personally know women who were graped and became pregnant and they're using their situations and exploiting them for their own agenda. When in reality I work with some of those women. Those women would say that that child was the one good thing that came out of that horrific situation and that their child did not deserve the death penalty for the crimes of their father. And so it's just ridiculous. This, this pro abortion movement that claims to support women is actually very anti women. I mean, they're coming after and threatening women like me. They're exploiting these stories of other women. It's the opposite of feminism.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, I'm sure you've heard all the counter arguments at this point, right? That's, that's the most common one though.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
I've noticed absolutely all the time. I mean, I think that's the one I usually get. I get that the, this, this idea is going around that pro life laws are leading to women bleeding out in parking lots. I hear that all the time. Which is a total myth. Every single pro life law supports medical treatment for women in pregnancies. And the medical procedure to save a woman's life is never a direct abortion. It's an induction or a C section where they can always try to save both lives. So I would say those two are exceptions are the most common arguments I hear all the time. But it's funny because I'm like, okay, those are, Those are the 1% cases. If you and I agree, if we agree that sure it can be allowed in those circumstances, would you be okay with ending all of their abortion? They go, no, because they don't actually care about those 1% circumstances. They're just using them to fuel their pro abortion agenda. So it's, it's all ridiculous. It's all, they don't actually care about women. It's. They know the abortion industry. They're profiting off of women to kill their babies. That's really what it is.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah, I mean, I think it has a lot to do with our culture that has very increasingly become selfish in my opinion. I am Gen Z, but sometimes I hesitate to identify with my generation because I think we have just become so self centered. And this idea of giving your life to care about a child, to care for a child, to love a child more than yourself, is just awful and horrific to my generation. And it's honestly so sad to me. We hear this messaging all the time of just do what makes you happy, just live for yourself. And that is the most empty messaging ever. It wasn't until I started living selflessly for other people that I found true joy. And so I think this culture of self seeking, of just do what makes you money or makes you happy or successful, it has really damaged our generation and led to a very pro abortion culture. Because of course abortion essentially is child sacrifice. Sacrificing a child so you can have more success or be have a more convenient life. And so that's the reality of what abortion is. And that's why I think it has grown to be so common. The other issue now is abortion has become so easily accessible due to chemical abortion pills where you can get any, you can get them anywhere, no matter what state you're in, which is also very, very difficult.
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Podcast Host
And you have actually went undercover and you brought some.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yes, so I went undercover with Students for Life. We did an undercover investigation to see if I could pose as a minor and get chemical abortion pills shipped to my address. And I could. And they did not verify one thing about me. They didn't verify my age, they didn't verify I could have been an abuser, a sex trafficker. They didn't care. All they, all they wanted was money and they'll send them right to you. And actually you can if you give them some sort of excuse of oh, I can't pay for them, they'll oftentimes even ship them to you for free. And so I got these pills delivered to me within a week, I think. And I mean, the first pill, mifepristone, starves the baby of nutrients. And the rest of the pills that are in here, misoprostol, they work to induce contractions which are, I mean, essentially going into labor. A lot of women, 32 women in America have died from this, where you take them and it expels the baby. Some women see their baby born alive into a toilet. And so, I mean, it's sickening. This is what's happening across our country, it's the majority of abortions are now chemical abortions. And it's happening even in states where abortion is illegal. And so you could be in Texas or really any pro life state and still get these pills ordered to you. And so that's why we at Students for Life right now are trying to pass legislation that states stops illegal chemical abortion trafficking and goes after these traffickers because it's so dangerous. I mean, I could be nine years old and if I have access to a cell phone, I can get them ordered to me. I could be 30 weeks pregnant and get these pills and easily abort a third trimester baby. And so it is. It's sickening what's happening. And it's really our biggest focus and mission right now at Students for Life because it's. It's really just taken over the abortion industry.
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Podcast Host
That's actually insane because growing up, like, if a teenager got pregnant, they had to tell their parents.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Right.
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Podcast Host
But now with this, I mean, yeah,
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Lydia Taylor Davis
you get them anywhere.
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Podcast Host
Order that, like candy and.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah, yeah.
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Podcast Host
Parents will never know, right?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yep. I was at the Supreme Court at a protest a couple of years ago, and they had these abortion robots to dispense abortion pills legit, like you said, like candy. And so it's really just this. They don't actually care about women because if they did, they would at least, at bare minimum, encourage these women to go to a doctor first. Because if you take these and you have an ectopic pregnancy, that is extremely dangerous. I mean, we know women have already been hospitalized or killed by these pills. And so if anything, it's really just exposing how little the abortion industry actually cares about women. They care about profiting off of their vulnerability to kill their babies.
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Podcast Host
Yeah. So how much was that exactly?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah, so you can get. I mean, again, you get them for free. It depends on how many. You can literally order like a whole bundle of like a week's worth of abortion pills. I think these I got for 70 bucks online. But legitimately, we've had people from our organization order them entirely for free as well. So there are different funds that will help you pay for them. It's just, it's really sickening. And I mean, it's something that they are encouraging children to do behind their parents back. They're like, oh, we'll cover it up for you. And I'm like, that is so evil. That's. So it's just the lack of compassion and actual compassion for these children that clearly, if there's a Child getting pregnant. There. There needs to be something more done than just prescribe an abortion. That that child has gone through something severe and they don't actually care about helping with that trauma. They just want to throw abortion as a. As a band aid on. On what's going on. It's sickening.
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Podcast Host
Another argument I hear, I'm sure you hear, this is the financial reason they can't afford it. What do you think about that one?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yep. Absolutely. So we in the Pro life movement, we offer pregnancy resource centers across the nation that outnumber Planned Parenthood abortion facilities times 10. With our pro Life resources, financial support, diapers, formula supplies, free ultrasounds. We really come alongside these women and these financial struggles because, yes, children are expensive. Absolutely. And so we do offer support because the pro life movement, oftentimes people say that the pro life movement does not actually care about women, and that's not true. If you call a Planned Parenthood right now, they are not going to offer you formula or diapers. They're going to offer you abortion.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, they don't care about women.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah, exactly. So we are the ones that are actually offering that financial support. And actually, a lot of our pro life laws go and offer funding to these pregnancy centers as well. And so we are offering help. And I mean, at the end of the day, yes, pregnancy is difficult, parenting is difficult. But if a mom has a toddler, she decides one day, you know what, it's really expensive to pay for this child's goldfish. She can't just go and kill her toddler because they're expensive. And so it's ridiculous to say you can kill a human being because they're financially inconvenient. That's why we at the Support Life movement are trying to make it so that abortion isn't just illegal, but it's unthinkable because we want every woman to feel supported so that she doesn't even have to consider ending her child's life.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, the Planned Parenthood rabbit hole is a deep one.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yep.
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Podcast Host
Those guys, they're losing a lot of locations now, though, right? I think the truth is getting exposed.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yes. They. Nearly 70 Planned Parenthood abortion facilities closed last year in 2025. And it is. It is fantastic to see them finally losing. It's. It's just.
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Podcast Host
I mean, you definitely play a big role in that. I think getting the information out there, because this information wasn't really talked about. Like we said earlier.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yep. Students for Life, we have been really the ones leading the charge to defund Planned Parenthood, which Finally was done for one year last summer, thanks to the big, beautiful bill. But no, this is. This has been something we've been calling for over a decade now at Students for Life. Because, I mean, whether or not you agree with abortion, you shouldn't be forcing people's taxpayer dollars to fund it. And so it's really ridiculous. We're seeing these Planned Parenthood facilities claim that, oh, abortion is only a fraction of what we do. It's all lies. It's all wise. Because if that was really true, then why are their facilities all shutting down in places where they can't do abortions? And so it's. No, it's super encouraging to see that they are finally being shut down. And so now, I mean, really, now, we're just after chemical abortion.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah, so I called. I mean, I've done a lot of. I've done various undercover investigations. We've. We obviously sidewalk counsel outside of Planned Parenthood. One of the things that we did, especially during the presidential election, there was a lot of misinformation out there about late term abortion. For those who remember Kamala Harris, I know we left her in 2024, but those of you who can remember back to the presidential election, there was a debate between Shrub and Kamala where he accuses her of supporting late term abortion. And she claims, oh, that doesn't exist. It's an insult to women to say that late term abortion is happening. And so Kristen Hawkins and I, after that debate were like, we, we gotta call her out on that. And so we called abortion facilities across the country posing as a woman pregnant at 34 weeks to see if they would give us an abortion. And of course, we knew that late term abortion exists. But what I heard on the other side of the phone was horrifying. I was told that not only do they do late term abortions, but that they do them all the time. And I listened to the abortionists on the phone talk about how he would inject the baby's heart with digoxin, inducing cardiac arrest, and then deliver a dead child. One of. One of the abortion facilities actually offered to cremate the baby after they had just violently killed him, because I guess treat the child with some sort of dignity after you've treated them like they're trash. And so we posted that footage, we recorded these phone calls and posted online, and they got over 100 million views, which is great. And it, thank God, influenced the presidential election. And so thankfully, Kamala Harris is not in the White House right now, which is fantastic, because no, she, I mean, she was the most pro abortion candidate we've ever seen. She, she supported no restrictions. But no, we're still at it. Even today. Our students nationwide are constantly sidewalk counseling outside Planned Parenthood. Abortion facilities offer offering resources to these women considering abortion and praying against these, these evil facilities that they'll finally be shut down.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, I can't see any defense logically to eight months pregnancy. That is mind blowing. They have a heartbeat, right?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yep. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, heartbeat is 21 days after. After conception. And so viability is, is at about 21 weeks right now. And so there are fully viable babies that are, that are being aborted in this country. At least 10,000 leads from abortions happen every single year just in the United States. And so, I mean, that is, that's a mass slaughter. And no, you're right. A majority of Americans oppose late term abortion, and yet we're voting for politicians that have no restrictions on abortion whatsoever. And so we really have to expose that for people.
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Podcast Host
Yeah. What about fertility clinics? Have you looked into those?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah. Are you talking about like the IVF industry? Yes. So a lot of people don't know this. I have a lot of pro lifers that love the IVF industry and think that it's a great alternative because obviously the pro life movement wants more babies. Our population is rapidly declining. However, what people don't know is that the IVF industry is not pro life at all. The IVF industry actually is killing more preborn babies than Planned Parenthood is. And so because life begins at conception, that's biological fact. And so these humans in embryonic form, they are being frozen and discarded as if they are not wanted anymore. And they're also practicing eugenics on these little humans in embryonic form. If a baby isn't the certain gender that they want or has a certain abnormality, they will discard those human beings as if they're worthless. And so it's not pro life at all. And so we have huge issues with this IVF industry. They're commodifying human life. And so that's something absolute Students for life that we call out as well.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, I think you're going to see that in the future. Genetic modification, I think that's going to be a thing.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yes. It's a little scary seeing humans try and play God. And I mean, we already have seen. Seen this play out very poorly. There was a case recently where these parents are suing an IVF facility because the IVF facility implanted the wrong baby into the mother, and the baby was born a different race. And they're like, what in the world happened here? And I mean, it's so tragic. And I mean, that's the reality when humans try to commodify human life and play God with it, that these things are going to happen. And so it is. I mean, it's exposing the corruption of the IVF industry and how problematic it really is.
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Podcast Host
The IVF process is nuts, too. I just learned about it, how you have to get put on birth control first. You got to get injected almost every day for a month.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yep, yep. And there. I mean, there's so many other natural alternatives to IVF that people can. Can access and use, because obviously, we want everyone to be able to have a child if they're able to.
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Podcast Host
Yeah.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
And so I think a lot of times people will argue back and say, well, Lydia, I have an IVF baby. Why? I'm glad that they're here. And I'm like, I'm glad they are, too. I love every child that's. That's created, but I also love their siblings. And in most cases, the siblings of IVF babies were discarded or never made it to birth. Nine out of 10 children made through IVF never make it to birth and are never born alive. And so that's. That's the sad reality of it. And so if we really are saying that we value Human life from conception, then we have to stand against the IVF industry.
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Podcast Host
Absolutely. You're debating mainly with females, right?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Well, I do. I do debates with all the people. I think a common thing is, oh, men shouldn't be involved in abortion issue. No, I think men should be involved in the abortion issue. Absolutely. It takes a man and a woman to create a child. And so actually, I heard so many just sad stories of men who lost their babies to abortion because they had no say, they loved their child, wanted to keep their child, and were my body my choice. Yeah, it's just. It's just ridiculous because I think a lot of times I work with women who are considering abortion, and the most common reason I get for women considering abortion is, oh, the baby's father is not willing to be involved, is not willing to support. And I think that's what happens when we've told men, oh, stay out of it. It's her body, her choice. And so men go, okay, I'll stay out of it. And they're not supporting these women in pregnancy. So I think actually men need to be more involved. I think that's a big crisis. I think people claim pro lifers are all old white men. In reality, we need more men desperately. Most pro life organizations are lit by women, which is great, but, no, we need more men involved. We need men that are willing to defend life, to stand up for their children. And so I am hopeful that we can get some more men involved.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, well, Charlie was pretty outspoken on this topic, right?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Absolutely.
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Podcast Host
He approached it a little more from, like, a religious angle, but he was very outspoken.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yes. Yeah, Charlie was fantastic. He just. One year ago, he was speaking alongside me at our national pro Life Summit in D.C. we were all celebrating. Trump had just pardoned the pro life political prisoners. I was. I filmed a pro life TikTok with him. So he was an incredible pro life hero and changed so many minds in the culture on this issue because it is. It's a religious issue, but it's also a scientific issue. And so I think he. I loved how he approached it from that angle. And we really did lose an incredible
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Podcast Host
pro life for real. Rest in peace. So you said there was prisoners for this. What happened with that?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah, so the Face act was designed decades ago, essentially to be weaponized against pro lifers who peacefully protest abortion facilities. And so actually, we saw it recently used against Mr. Lemon. And so it's funny now the left is mad at it too. And I'm like, yes, we've been advocating to repeal the faith act for decades because it's weaponized against peaceful pro lifers and been putting them in prison for just protesting abortion facilities. And so thankfully, Trump pardoned those prisoners just a year ago. Thankfully. And so we have. That's another thing that we're fighting for, because it's ridiculous that pro lifers are being targeted for just standing up for babies that are being killed inside these abortion facilities.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how I feel about the Don Lemon stuff.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah, it's hard because, I mean, at the end of the day, we want to repeal the FACE act, too. But also, he. I mean, he was. He was infringing on religious liberty. He. He invaded a church.
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Podcast Host
So he was basically conducting interviews inside the church, right?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yes. And I don't know the full extent of everything he was doing in there, but I do know that they were not supposed to be there, that they were not invited, and that they were disrupting the service.
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Podcast Host
Interesting.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
And so, no, absolutely, you can't infringe on someone else's religious liberty. So I don't. Don't think it necessarily has to be just about the FACE Act. But, no, in general, we are very much opposed to the FACE Act. It's. In most cases, it's used primarily against pro lifers only. So I was honestly interested that. Wow, it's actually being used against someone else for once. This is crazy.
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Podcast Host
Yeah.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
But, yeah, so that's our. That's our stance on that. But it's. I mean, it's. It's sad. I mean, it's. It's no surprise. We've been facing this sort of backlash for decades at Students for Life, where our. We had a. We had an event a few years ago back in 2020, where we chalked Black Preborn Lives Matter. We got permission from the city in D.C. to chalk that on the street because they had obviously done Black Lives Matter and got permission to do that. And our team, One of our team members was arrested for doing that, even though we had the permission to do that from the city. So, no, it's. It's. It's something we've dealt with for a long time of this backlash and this even violence against pro lifers that they're trying to silence us, and it's not working so well for them.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, it is. Crazy times we're in. Right. Are there stats on, like, is this a worse problem in certain communities, certain cultures, certain parts of the world?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Planned Parenthood was founded by a racist, Margaret Sanger, who spoke for the KKK said she wanted to exterminate the black community and disabled community. And so to this day, Planned Parenthood abortion facilities are located primarily within black communities. There's footage online of people calling Planned Parent, asking if they can donate towards killing specifically black babies. And planned Parents is. Yes. And so it is really sickening to see this. And I mean, there are a lot of black pro life leaders that are pro life because it is hurting their community because it's disproportionately black people that are getting abortions. And so absolutely, it's a huge issue. It's very sad. It's horrifying. In major cities like New York, a black baby is more likely to be aborted than born.
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Podcast Host
No way.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Crazy. Yeah, it's absolutely.
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Podcast Host
What.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yep. So we at Students for Life do a lot of work. I mean, because obviously the left, that's sports abortion is typically also the side saying black lives matter. And I'm like, okay, well then black preborn lives should matter too. And so we're engaging this conversation. A lot of people have no idea that Planned Parenthood literally has its roots in racism. And so that's something we're bringing to our campuses. Right now. We're about to launch a new speaking tour with another one of our team members, Faith, and a former abortionist is going with her. And they're going to be discussing this a lot along with our other team members as well. Because, I mean, it's something that we should be able to find common ground. Even if you're pro choice, you can admit that this is wrong. What's happening, that they're targeting the black community.
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Podcast Host
Community.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
It's, it's evil.
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Podcast Host
I did see someone talk about there were like tens of millions. If you add up all the abortions, just tens of millions. Just in Gen Z alone. I don't know if that's true.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It's about 28% of my generation.
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Podcast Host
Gen Z was.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yep. So 63 million abortions in the United States since Roe in 1973. So I mean, that's.
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Podcast Host
So that means women are getting more than one then.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah. Yes. A lot of women are getting more than one abortion. Absolutely. Yes. It is a very common thing. I think it's just this, this culture that we sit women in of, oh, you don't have children, it's gonna ruin your life. It's, it's a complete. First of all, that is the most anti feminist thing to say. The side that claims to be feminist is like, you can't do both. You can't Be a mom and be successful. Who are you to tell women that they can't do both? And so, I mean, really we have to counter that narrative. But no, it is very sad. We do see a lot of, I mean, even their pro life leaders that became pro life, Abby Johnson had multiple abortions before leaving Planned Parenthood and becoming Pro Life. So it is a, it's huge issue. But no, I mean, abortion is a leading cause of death. Jesus. 73 million children were aborted last year worldwide. 73 million.
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Podcast Host
I mean, so it's not just a US thing.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah, no, it's, it's worldwide. I mean the United States definitely is one of the leaders in highest abortion rates, but there are other countries that it's, it's so much worse. And so we definitely are cheering on our pro life partners in other countries because, I mean, it's one of the reasons why I became so passionate about it is really realizing this is a huge problem. Abortion outranks every other cause of death in the history of our world. And so, I mean, it's something we have to prioritize.
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Podcast Host
Absolutely. Yeah. I don't, I also don't agree with the argument that you can't do both because I know a lot of fathers and mothers that recently had kids and they actually said it made them more successful. Yeah, because it gives them a new perspective on life.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah. I mean it goes back to what I was saying earlier about this very selfish culture that teach people, oh, just do it makes you happy and that's how you can be successful. No, I mean the, the best way to really find joy is by living for a child or for someone else, for a family. Being able to be selfless. I mean, I've never had so much joy. I'm married now and I hope to have kids in the future and just, I mean I have so many friends that yes, got married and had kids. Like Charlie Kirk always said, get married and have kids and just so much more joy from that. Whereas I know a lot of my left leaning people in my life who are very much. It is lean into that culture of wait to have kids until your 30s. And it's just sad. I mean it just leaves you empty at the end of the day to kind of just focus on whatever else the world tells you is important. And you go home and you're like, I'm just living for myself. And is that really, does that really make you happy? Does that. I don't think so.
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Podcast Host
Yeah. Wait until late 30s is pretty late, in my opinion.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yes, absolutely. I Agree. I agree.
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Podcast Host
And there's more health risks.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
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Podcast Host
Even for guys. I just learned it's, it's not a higher chance.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah, absolutely. No, it's. We need. I mean, our birth rate is declining in the United States and it's, I mean, I see. It's ridiculous. I see these leftists celebrating it all the time, like, oh, yeah, I'm contributing to the declining birth rate. And I'm like, do you realize that that is a really bad problem? Like, that's not a good thing. I know Elon Musk has talked about it a lot on how it's a huge problem. Actually. My mom for a while used to, to teach Chinese kids English virtually, and she had to stop because China passed some law that in a weird way bans tutoring because they want parents to spend more money on having more kids instead of tutoring the ones that they already have. Which is crazy because their, their birth rate is so low that they're just like literally trying anything they can to get families to have more kids because of their one child policy. They're still dealing with these effects. They don't have enough young people to take care of older people. All these things. It's a huge problem. And yet the left is just celebrating that we're about to have that same problem here in America. It's awful. And I mean, obviously abortion is a huge factor in that as well.
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Podcast Host
Yeah. Didn't Trump give some financial bonus recently?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yes, yes, he did. We're very excited about that. We're hopeful to work with the Trump administration more in the pro life movement. But yes, he is definitely working very
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Podcast Host
hard to prioritize if you want that 10 grand, guys.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah. Get to work, get married and have kids.
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Podcast Host
Yeah. Get married first, probably. Because the hookup culture, I'm not a fan of that.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Oh, yeah. I mean, that's what, I mean, that's what contributes to the abortion industry. I mean, the hookup culture and the abortion industry love each other. It's great. I mean, it's something that, I mean, that's why Students for Life primarily exists is because they're targeting young people as early as elementary school with these sex books of how to masturbate and how to have sex and how to, you know, sex is fun, it's casual. And I'm like, that is a terrible thing to be teaching young children. And they're building this hookup culture because they know that they, that is going to lead to unplanned pregnancies, which leads to them having new clients and so, no, absolutely. That's why Students for Life exists, to reach young people with the counter message, the message of truth, that, hey, sex is not just this casual thing that we should be engaging in. It's an important thing, it's a valuable thing that should be within marriage. And that if you are not prepared to be responsible for a child, then maybe don't engage in actions that create children. And I mean, I feel like that should be common sense. But a lot of times I say that on college campuses when I'm doing my Q and A, I'll tell them consent to sex is consent to pregnancy. And they look at me and they're just horrified. They go, what? And they always say this. They always go, you really expect us not to have sex? And I go, yeah, yes. We're not just these wild animals. Like, self control does exist. I'm not saying it's easy, but you can have self control. And so, I mean, it's, it's, it's ridiculous how bad our hookup culture has gotten because, I mean, the abortion industry just loves it and they want people to keep.
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Podcast Host
It's both genders too. Guys can't control it as well.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
I know.
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Podcast Host
You know what I mean?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yep. That's why I need, that's why I need guys to start being involved in the pro life movement too. I'm like, hey, we need guys. Understand, like, if you're not willing to have a child with this woman that you're hooking up with, maybe don't be hooking up with them because that. We all understand basic biology. That's how children are made.
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Podcast Host
Yeah. They're exposed to sex so early now. Like they're masturbating in elementary school. Middle school. I didn't learn about sextill high school.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Oh, really? Oh, wow, that's.
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Podcast Host
That's freshman year.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
That's interesting.
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Podcast Host
I think middle school is the appropriate age.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah, I think middle school is usually when I think most schools are teaching sex ed. But I mean, Planned Parenthood themselves will go into schools and teach their own crazy version, which is, I mean, it's sickening.
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Podcast Host
I mean, they're, they're still doing that.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah. There was a case I saw where they handed out the ABC sex book in an elementary school of like the ABCs of masturbating. All this stuff. I'm like, what is wrong with you? Like, I just, how, like that's just so corrupt and I mean, I mean, they're doing this with children's books. I, I remember a few years ago, especially when Target was under all this heat for all their LGBT stuff they were selling. We went in there and found a bunch of very pro abortion leaning books that they were offering for kids celebrating these. The. What was it? There's a pro abortion group. I think it's the Pussy Hats is what they're called. The Pink Hat Girls. They're crazy pro abortion people. And just like a book celebrating them and all these other pro abortion leaders, and I'm like, these are for kids?
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Podcast Host
Are you kidding me?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
No. And I mean, if you ask. If you show any other kid, like a young five year old, if you show them a picture of an ultrasound and ask them what is this? They're going to say, it's a baby. It's common sense. Even children know it's a child. And so the abortion industry is trying to get in there and corrupt it. As soon as they can corrupt these children to build a culture where they trust Planned Parenthood so that when they get an unplanned pregnancy, that they go straight to Planned Parenthood so that they can make a profit off of it.
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Podcast Host
Yep. Makes sense. Yeah. They're planning all these ideologies at such a young age. Now there's so many LGBTQ stuff and media gave stuff. It's nuts, right?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yep. Yep. Absolutely. It's. It's really sickening that. I mean, they're targeting young people because that's when we're most open to ideas. I mean, I myself was once pro choice because I had no idea and I was misled by this culture. And so we. I mean, that's why I think when I was. When I got involved in the pro life movement, I knew I wanted to serve and end abortion. But I really love students for life because we're targeting the demographic that needs the truth the most, and that's young people.
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Podcast Host
Yeah. How many campuses have you been kicked off of?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah, campuses. It depends on what you mean by kicked off. I've had to have my security escort me off before because the threats got so severe. But no, I.
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Podcast Host
From Antifa or. What was that from?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah, from Antifa. There was a time where I protested Kamala Harris at a school in Greensboro, North Carolina. I can't remember the name of it. And we got just completely mobbed by. By crazy abortion supporters, and the police ended up having to escort us off. Not because we were being crazy, because. Because our lives were legitimately at risk. Yeah. I mean, you were getting mobbed. People were screaming at us. People had taken our signs and written F them kids on it. And it was Craziness. So, I mean, this is something that we deal with all the time. I mean, I'll be honest with you, especially after Charlie. Charlie Kirk was killed. He was a great partner of us. And seeing him die, I mean, Kristen Hawkins and I, we. I'll be honest, we were initially going to cancel our speaking tour. Wow. Because, I mean, immediately those threats came rolling in. Oh, you're next. We're coming for you speaking. And our families, of course, were worried. And so we had. We had decided to cancel. And the next morning, after his death, I mean, we're all just devastated and horrified because, I mean, we've gotten threats, but seeing someone actually be killed doing the same thing that we do, I think it just felt so much more real.
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Podcast Host
I bet. Yeah.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
And so the next morning, though, we open our phones and yes, we saw the messages of people threatening us, but we saw even more messages of people saying, I'm pro life because of you guys and Charlie, or, I chose life for my baby. My baby's alive because of the work of Charlie, because of the work that you guys are doing and people encouraging us to carry the torch on. To carry his torch on. And so immediately we sat down and we're like, all right, we're going to have to fundraise for a lot of extra security. We had to get fitted for a bulletproof vest. But we decided we weren't going to back down. And because we decided to stand faithfully for life and continue on Charlie's mission, I mean, really, our speaking tours exploded. At one of my stops in Cincinnati, the crowd had become so large of students that were there to engage in Q and A with me and to hear the truth, that they ended up having to switch the venue I was speaking at because they had blocked the entire campus walkway with students that were just jam packed in there. And so, I mean, the movement following his death, it's been incredible. So, yes, it's been very difficult. And I just, in November was protested again by Antifa, who vandalized all the promotions and everything. And it was very difficult. But at the same time, yes, there are protesters that show up. Yes, there are people that show up and threaten me. And yes, sometimes my security has to escort me off campus. But even more so, I'm having people show up and become pro life and be accepted, excited to get involved. I have women come up to me after my speeches and tears, telling me that they'd had an abortion years ago, that they are now pro life from after attending this event, and that they want to defend other children and help other women not make the same mistake. And so, I mean, it's. It's been hard. I'll be honest. It's difficult. It's not fun reading through all the threats and dealing with all that and having to bring security everywhere, but it's so worth it. And so, I mean, I just seen God's faithfulness through that has been incredible.
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Podcast Host
That's beautiful. Yeah. It must be really fulfilling knowing you directly created hundreds, maybe thousands of lives in the world, right?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's just. Last month, I had another mom that I had helped choose Life. She had been considering abortion last spring, and a friend of mine connected her to me, and I got on the phone with her. She had a Planned Parenthood work facility scheduled for, I think, the next day. And I sat with her on the phone and I'm like, hey, we're going to help you. This, this. They are. They don't care about you. She had a chemical abortion scheduled. I talked her through, like, hey, this is what they don't tell you. You might see your child in the toilet. You're going to experience an extreme pain. And after supporting her and offering her help, she chose life, canceled her abortion. And just last month, her child was born. And she sent me a picture. And it was just the most. I mean, it makes everything worth it. Now we're giving her a year supply worth of diapers because, yes, pro life is pro women. We don't hate women like the pro abortion movement says. And so she's just so happy. And I got to throw a baby shower for her. And it's just incredible to really. I mean, yes, I wake up every day and read death threats, but every night I get to sleep real well knowing that I'm saving babies. And so it's worth it. Everything's worth it.
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Podcast Host
That's so cool. Let's end off with the Epstein files and the trafficking stuff.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yes, craziness. So, crazy thing. We found out the students for Life is in the Epstein files. Not in a bad way.
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Podcast Host
Oh, really?
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah, they mentioned. I don't know how, but we made some. We were in some sort of. Sort of news during that time. And so in some of the news briefings in them, because someone sends it to me, and they were like, you guys are in the Epstein files? And I was like, what? I have no connection. And yeah, I mean, there's a couple of things talking about our work, and one of them talks about how Planned Parenthood is racist. And so we posted on Twitter that, wow, breaking news. The Epstein files prove that Planned Parent is racist. Congratulations.
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Podcast Host
Wow.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
No, it is. It's crazy what's going on right now. And I mean, I hope for accountability from both political parties, that's for sure.
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Podcast Host
I have so many friends that are, like, vindicated right now because they were talking about Pizzagate, they were talking about all the shit that was in there, the trafficking PDFs for five, ten years ago.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yep.
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Podcast Host
And they were looked at as crazy. And now it's all come to light.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yep. Yep. I know. It's. I mean, it's. It's sickening seeing how much evil there is even in places you wouldn't expect from both political parties. And I mean, especially as a pro life movement, we care very deeply about sex trafficking because abort, the abortion industry and sex trafficking go hand in hand. Sex traffickers bring their victims in to get abortions to continue to exploit them. And so I, I've already heard stories of how there was abortion involved with Epstein as well. And so, yeah, it's. I mean, it's, it's sickening what's going on, but I'm. I'm glad it's all finally coming to light at least. And hopefully they hold everyone unaccountable because it's disgusting what's going on.
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Podcast Host
They'll find a new thing to attack Trump with.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yes.
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Podcast Host
Now that the files are released, it never ends. It really doesn't. He does everything. It's so crazy, though, because he does everything he said he was going to do, and there's still, like, something else to go out. Always, always, always, Like, I just, I'm just being objective. Like, I'm not even, like a huge Trump bag, but, like, he's doing what he said he was gonna do.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yep. Absolutely. No, I mean, for the, for the record, Trump has done some things that we sometimes disagree with. Sometimes we're like, hey, Bunny, you gotta be a little more alive. But no, he, he has done a lot of great things for the. Probably he helped overturn Roe. Was.
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Podcast Host
That was a huge one.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
I was crying tears of joy at the Supreme Court the day it happened.
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Podcast Host
Wow.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
I reminisce that day all the time. But no, I think it's ridiculous. They, I mean, they're. They're just trying to find anything. They don't actually care about finding out the truth. They're just trying to make up lies to attack the right with. Attack Trump with. To attack the pro life movement with.
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Podcast Host
Yeah.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
No one's, no one's falling for it anymore.
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Podcast Host
Absolutely. Well, how can people donate support? Can up with you.
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Lydia Taylor Davis
Yeah. If you want to get involved with us at Students for Life, whether you're a student or not, you can go to pro lifegen.org to get involved with us. And my social media is lydiataylor Davis, and I serve as the spokesperson for Students for Life.
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Podcast Host
Awesome. Check them out, guys. Peace. Thanks for watching to the end, guys. Please comment below your thoughts on the episode, if you agree. If you disagree, I'd love to hear it. I read every single comment. It means a lot to me. Thank you so much.