Steak and Butter Gal: How Your Diet Could Be Sabotaging Your Success | DSH #1433

Summary

Digital Social Hour - Episode: "Steak and Butter Gal: How Your Diet Could Be Sabotaging Your Success" | DSH #1433
Release Date: July 5, 2025

In this compelling episode of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly engages in a deep and unfiltered conversation with the guest known as Steak and Butter Gal. The discussion focuses on her transformative journey from a strict vegan diet to embracing a carnivore lifestyle, highlighting the profound impacts of dietary choices on overall health and success.

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1. Health Struggles on a Vegan Diet

Adverse Effects and Deficiencies

Steak and Butter Gal shares her six-year experience with a vegan diet, which initially aimed to help her lose weight and boost confidence as a concert pianist. However, this dietary choice led to severe health issues:

"[00:44] A: I lost my period while on a vegan diet. My hormones were wrecked, my skin worsened, and I was even losing hair."

She elaborates on the consequences of nutrient deficiencies, particularly in vitamin B12 and vitamin D:

"[01:18] A: My doctor said my vitamin D levels were the most deficient she'd ever seen—only 12."

These deficiencies resulted in significant health declines, including eczema and a histamine intolerance rash.

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2. Transition to the Carnivore Diet

Immediate Health Improvements

Frustrated by declining health, she transitioned to a carnivore diet six years ago and experienced dramatic improvements:

"[07:04] A: My diet is easy. I now eat the same thing every single day. My period is back, my skin is healed, and my hair is growing."

Simplifying Dietary Choices

The carnivore diet offered simplicity and sustainability compared to her previous vegan regimen, eliminating the need for supplements and reducing food-related anxieties.

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3. Dietary Specifics and Food Choices

Quality of Meat and Dairy

Steak and Butter Gal emphasizes the importance of high-quality, grass-fed, and raw dairy products to maximize nutrient absorption and minimize digestive issues:

"[08:10] A: Raw butter is better because it contains active enzymes and probiotics that aid digestion."

Cooking Preferences

She prefers minimally cooked meats to preserve essential nutrients and reduce digestive discomfort:

"[20:17] A: I eat my meat very rare because it tastes better and is easier to digest."

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4. Navigating Raw Dairy and Meat Consumption

Ensuring Safety in Raw Foods

She advises sourcing high-quality, grass-fed meats and raw dairy from reputable butchers and seafood shops to prevent adverse reactions:

"[10:54] A: Always go to a reputable butcher or seafood shop to ensure your raw meats are safe to eat."

Impact of Cooking on Nutrients

Overcooking meats can lead to nutrient loss and digestive issues, while rare preparations retain more nutrients:

"[21:24] A: Overcooking can make nutrients harder to absorb. Rare meats are preferable for nutrient retention and easier digestion."

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5. Community Support and Social Aspects

Global Carnivore Community

Steak and Butter Gal highlights the supportive global community of carnivore dieters, sharing experiences and participating in events that foster camaraderie:

"[23:58] A: They're all over—internationally, in places like Melbourne, Australia, and Tennessee."

Transformational Stories

She shares inspiring stories of community members who achieved significant weight loss purely through dietary changes:

"[36:32] A: Two members lost 500 pounds and 300 pounds, respectively, purely through dietary changes."

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6. Health Benefits Beyond Weight Loss

Mental Health and Energy

Adopting the carnivore diet led to improved mental health and increased energy levels by balancing hormones and eliminating inflammatory plant-based foods:

"[17:34] B: I feel amazing on days I take a lot of steps."
"[17:40] A: Moving more naturally follows a better diet, leading to improved mood and energy."

Alleviation of Common Health Issues

The diet alleviated joint pain, anxiety, and depression, emphasizing diet's pivotal role in overall well-being:

"[18:10] A: If you change your diet, your need to exercise will follow naturally, enhancing overall well-being."

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7. Practical Tips for Adopting the Carnivore Diet

Budget-Friendly Strategies

She offers practical advice for maintaining the diet affordably by bulk-buying ground beef and utilizing eggs as cost-effective staples:

"[29:48] A: Vegan diets are more expensive than carnivore. Eggs and ground beef keep carnivore affordable."

Overcoming Food Sourcing Challenges

For those in areas with limited access to raw dairy or high-quality meats, she suggests alternative sourcing methods and the importance of investing time in finding suitable products:

"[28:09] A: Sprouts and Costco are good options in Las Vegas for sourcing carnivore-friendly foods."

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8. Addressing Common Misconceptions and Concerns

Nutrient Intake Without Supplements

She asserts that on a well-formulated carnivore diet, supplements are generally unnecessary as nutrient needs are met through high-quality animal products:

"[30:30] A: I don't take any supplements on a carnivore diet because I don't need to."

Safe Preparation of Raw and Rare Meats

She provides insights into safe preparation methods to prevent foodborne illnesses, advising listeners to rely on reputable sources:

"[21:21] B: Is it true the nutrients get cooked out?"
"[21:24] A: Overcooking can make nutrients harder to absorb. Rare meats are preferable for nutrient retention and easier digestion."

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9. Conclusion: The Transformative Power of Diet

Steak and Butter Gal reflects on her journey, encouraging listeners to critically evaluate their dietary choices. She underscores the significant impact of diet on physical and mental health, advocating for informed nutritional decisions to achieve optimal well-being.

"[34:14] A: Most people don't realize how much their diet affects their physical and mental health."

By sharing her personal experiences and the success stories of others within her community, she makes a compelling case for the benefits of the carnivore diet over plant-based alternatives.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• "[00:44] A: I lost my period while on a vegan diet. My hormones were wrecked, my skin worsened, and I was even losing hair."
• "[01:18] A: My doctor said my vitamin D levels were the most deficient she'd ever seen—only 12."
• "[07:04] A: My diet is easy. I now eat the same thing every single day. My period is back, my skin is healed, and my hair is growing."
• "[08:10] A: Raw butter is better because it contains active enzymes and probiotics that aid digestion."
• "[21:24] A: Overcooking can make nutrients harder to absorb. Rare meats are preferable for nutrient retention and easier digestion."
• "[36:32] A: Two members lost 500 pounds and 300 pounds, respectively, purely through dietary changes."
• "[34:14] A: Most people don't realize how much their diet affects their physical and mental health."

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Join the Community

Steak and Butter Gal invites listeners to join her community, the Steak and Butter Gang, for life Q&As and support. Access the community at sbgleadup.com and steakandbuttercy.com.

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By delving into the personal experiences and scientific insights of Steak and Butter Gal, this episode of Digital Social Hour offers a candid exploration of how dietary choices can profoundly influence one's health, success, and overall quality of life.

Transcript

[A]

Even because they're using all the same. And so I. The moment I put in this piece of steak in my mouth, I was like, that tastes a bit, like, processed this funky. Like, I could taste every single note in these flavors now. And the next morning, my eczema was back. I had a whole histamine intolerance rash, like, in my chest.

[B]

Okay, guys, steak and butter gal here today to talk about the Carnivore diet.

[A]

Thank you so much for having me, Sean.

[B]

Absolutely. I. I know you've been on this diet for a while now, right?

[A]

Six years.

[B]

That's impressive. What were you on before?

[A]

I was on a vegan diet before. For six years as well.

[B]

Wow. So total opposite.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

And which one do you feel better on?

[A]

Definitely the Carnivore diet. Like, you cannot even compare. And I actually lost my period when I was on a vegan diet. I wrecked my hormones. I ruined my health. My skin got worse before it got. I was losing hair. And this is when I was around 21, 22. At that time, I was performing all the time as a concert pianist. And that was really affecting how I was performing, how I was doing on stage, my mental health. So I could go on and on and on about how a vegan diet ruined my health.

[B]

Yeah. I didn't even know you could lose your period. That's. That's new news to me.

[A]

Yeah. Because you're not eating meat, so you're very deficient in vitamin B12. So I was anemic and I lost my period.

[B]

Holy crap. For how long?

[A]

Two years.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yeah, two years, no period.

[B]

So you thought you were pregnant?

[A]

At first I was like, what is going on? But then I took a blood test with my doctor, and she was like, yeah, this is. This is an issue.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So deficient. And she said I was the most deficient she ever seen in vitamin D. Geez. As well. Yeah.

[B]

What was your number? Do you remember?

[A]

12.

[B]

12?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God. You're supposed to be like, 50, right.

[A]

Ideal is like, 30s, but obviously the healthiest is like 50s and higher.

[B]

Yeah. And now you're probably.

[A]

I'm like 40.

[B]

40?

[A]

Yeah. Damn.

[B]

That's crazy. The vegan diet was very pushed, I remember, on. On, like, mainstream media.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, I even almost started it.

[A]

Yeah. It's still very pushed, for sure. And back then it was pushed mostly on YouTube.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so how I stumbled across it was being. Being a pianist. I was getting really, like, the concert dresses were getting really tight. So I'll just be honest, it was Very much I want to lose weight. Like I want to just look good and feel confident on stage. And I was 17, 18 when I first found it. This is senior year of high school and I was already gaining weight in high school, you know, freshman 15. Yeah, yeah, everybody gains it, especially the girls. It's hormones. And I didn't know that. I didn't know that my body was becoming a different body and I thought it was wrong. So I searched on YouTube how do I lose weight real quick and freely? The banana girl popped up. Do you know who she is?

[B]

Oh, just eats bananas.

[A]

Yeah. Raw diet, Raw vegan diet. Just bananas until 4pm hits. She says raw till 4pm Once 4pm hits, you can eat all of the carbs but cooked. So rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes, starches, all of those good carbs, you can have as much as you want after 4pm And I did that diet. First two weeks I lost a lot of weight, but I was also no longer eating seed oils, Burger King, McDonald's every day. And so of course it was working in those first two weeks. And being the closed minded teenage self that I was, where I was like, I just want to lose weight, that's all I care about. I was like, this is the best diet in the world. And I got sucked into the vegan diet community. Community where they totally guilt trip you, free wash you, you know. And yeah, that was my entrance to the vegan world was freely the banana girl.

[B]

Dang. And how's her health these days?

[A]

She's still vegan. You know, I checked in on her. I went to Australia a couple months ago, Adelaide specifically, to talk about my carnivore experience and the carnival community actually let me know that she's from Adelaide.

[B]

Really?

[A]

That's what they said. So maybe she's still around there, but it looks like she's still very much vegan and she still talks about her vegan lifestyle.

[B]

I wonder if there's a way to do it right because Brian Johnson's vegan. Right? Yeah. So I guess if you have a ton of money and you're like really doing the research on what you're eating, maybe you could pull it off. But the average person, so you would.

[A]

Have to supplement big time. And at that time Fruity was like, you don't need supplements, you don't need anything but just raw fruits and cook starches. That was the approach that I took because I am just very lazy in general. I don't want to cook, I don't want to buy extra supplements, I don't have all the money to spend on expensive things. And so I wanted the most minimal, easy to do type of lifestyle and diet and that's why I was so drawn to raw till 4. It seemed pretty simple but it just didn't sustain my health.

[B]

Right. Yeah. Now your your diet's pretty easy. I feel like just eating butter and.

[A]

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[B]

Go anywhere without it.

[A]

Healthy lifestyle. It is easy. It is so minimal. I now eat the same thing every single day, basically. And my period is great. My skin is healed, my hair is growing back. I have zero complaints. Yeah.

[B]

How many sticks of butter are you eating a day right now?

[A]

Right now, half a stick a day is pretty average. When I first started Carnivore six years ago, two sticks a day, normal.

[B]

Wow. Two sticks a day, just plain, like, not even mixing it.

[A]

Melted butter.

[B]

Wow. And what type of milk? I guess what type of butter?

[A]

So grass fed is definitely ideal. The perfect butter, in my opinion, is raw, unpasteurized butter. And at the time, I was living in New York, so it was actually pretty easy for me to get raw butter and raw dairy. I got it from Dutch Meadows Farms. I think they still sell raw butter to this day. And that was like the healing food for me. I got my period back in two months.

[B]

Wow. I need to start eating that out here. It's probably harder though, because we're in the desert.

[A]

It's very hard. So I just do pasteurized butter here unsalted, from, you know, a couple brands that I like that is grass fed.

[B]

Yeah. Do you think there's a huge difference with pasteurized and unpasteurized?

[A]

Pasteurized and unpasteurized is definitely different because it absorbs and digests differently. For me, I notice I have a lot less gas and bloating when I eat raw cheese versus pasteurized cheese. And so if you look into it, if you read posts or articles about why it's so beneficial, those amazing enzymes and bacteria, probiotics are still alive. So when you ingest that, it helps you and supports you in digesting that food. When you pasteurize it and heat it up, it's killed. So that's why you get a lot of bloat. It doesn't really digest food. Foley and you have gas.

[B]

That makes sense. Whenever I have a cheat day with pizza, I feel like, oh, yeah, you know.

[A]

Exactly. It's cooked, it's heated, it's way past.

[B]

Yeah. Plus the carbs and the bread. Yeah, yeah. I try to. I try to limit bread.

[A]

Honestly, you can make carnivore pizza. I haven't.

[B]

Oh, you can? Oh, yeah. I gotta send that to my fiance.

[A]

Yes, please.

[B]

That's awesome. Yeah, I love dairy, but it just feels like your skin too. I used to break out, so Bad.

[A]

I thought it was lactose intolerant. You're Asian, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so I'm Chinese, full Chinese. My whole family is lactose intolerant. My husband Chinese, lactose intolerant. I thought I could never have cheese, milk, dairy ever again. But turns out it's raw dairy that we can tolerate. So most people can't tolerate dairy and they think that they're lactose intolerant. Just wait until you go on a carnivore diet. Heal a little bit, heal that gut. Go ahead and have that raw dairy. You will be surprised. You can tolerate raw dairy.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And there's such a stigma. People have been programmed to not eat raw. Like whenever you recommend it to like a normal person.

[A]

They're like, oh, do you want to die for yourself?

[B]

But it's like, actually try it and like, give it a chance. You know, everyone I know that tried it actually had a good experience. Like I've never met someone that ate raw and they regretted it.

[A]

Exactly. Same thing here.

[B]

Yeah, I know of meat that's a little more tricky. Right. Raw meat.

[A]

Okay, so with raw meat I get asked this like every day because when I film myself eating my carnivore meals, most likely the meat is bleeding. It's like bloody rare. And sometimes it's completely rare raw. And I get asked, so how do you know if a piece of meat is safe to eat raw or very rare? I just say go to a reputable butcher shop or a reputable seafood shop, seafood farmer's market, and ask them, is this sashimi great? Like just ask the questions to make sure. For raw beef, if you want to eat it raw or extremely rare, I would do grass fed, grass finished to be the safest and straight from a farm or a high quality source like a butcher shop. I would not do Walmart meat and eat it raw. I would not do H Mart sashimi and eat that raw every day. Either would go to like, for example, a farmer's market that opens up fresh seafood, sashimi, grape, that's safe to eat raw.

[B]

That's good to know. H Mart just opened up here.

[A]

Yeah, H Mart is so great for sashimi. I just wouldn't eat every day because it's not wild caught.

[B]

Oh, it's not all. There is sushi. There is.

[A]

I think it's all farm.

[B]

Oh, wow. I didn't know that.

[A]

Yeah. When I found that, I was like, yeah, I can't.

[B]

That's a bummer. So all the seafood.

[A]

There it is.

[B]

What? I just bought some king crab legs from There.

[A]

King crab legs. Okay. Well, if you're cooking. Yeah. Most likely it's not wild unless it's labeled on the packaging that it's wild.

[B]

But, I mean, I'd be surprised now that you're saying this because it was 22 a pound, which is crazy cheap.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, there's spots out here that sell it for 160 a pound.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

So it has to be farmed.

[A]

Yeah. Costco sometimes has really good wild caught seafood.

[B]

Oh, yeah?

[A]

Yeah. So definitely check out Costco.

[B]

I love Costco. So you're eating seafood too?

[A]

Oh, yeah, all the time. I love seafood.

[B]

Okay. You're not worried about the heavy metals and so.

[A]

No, because I make sure to eat seafood cuts that aren't too high in metals. Oysters I have raw every single time I have it. Sashimi. If I do have it raw, I'll make sure to go to a seafood shop or a restaurant that can serve wild caught. I am just a little bit more strict with seafood now because when I do eat farm raised, I notice swelling.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Yeah. Swelling in my eyes, in my ankles. So once you're like carnivore and adapted, I would say after a whole year of carnivore consistently, you will literally see and feel these changes in your body and how you feel, your energy, your mood. When you eat even a little bit off quality or in food, like, you'll see what works for you, truly, and what doesn't.

[B]

I've noticed that too. Yeah. Cause I used to eat chipotle every day, and now I just ate it for the first time in five years. I felt so bad. They used seed oil, so I think it was that. But yeah, rice bran oil, seed oil stuff. Once you stop eating it and then you randomly eat it, you could feel it.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

It's crazy.

[A]

It is so crazy. Like, I had seed oils recently because I was on a carnivore cruise, and it's. It's a cruise, but there is a carnivore group on it. Shout out to Dr. Wiedemann. She hosted it. And there were. There was 150 carnivores on that cruise while she organized these amazing carnivore meals. But it's not guaranteed that these meals aren't cooked with seed oils or maybe slightly contaminated even, because they're using all the same pots everywhere. And so I. The moment I put in this piece of steak in my mouth, I was like, ooh, that tastes a bit, like, processed this funky. Like, I could taste every single note in these flavors now. And the next Morning, my eczema was back. I had a whole histamine intolerance rash, like in my chest. And so this just goes to show I can actually find out exactly if there were seed oils in a meal just by looking at how my skin is the next morning.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hopefully they ban some of those within your administration. It's looking good. They banned food dye already, right?

[A]

A lot of restaurants already cooking with beef tallow now.

[B]

That's exciting. Yeah, Yeah. I think beef tallow is much better than. I don't even know what they were using before. Probably seedlows. Probably, yeah. Do you still eat 16 eggs every day?

[A]

Oh, yeah, Pretty much every single day. At least a dozen. I always have tons of eggs in the fridge because so like, this is a tip. If you want to keep carnivore diet super budget friendly and cheap eggs, those are the hack because eggs, yes. If you want pasture raised and high quality eggs, you can find it for like $9, you know, $9 for a dozen. That definitely keeps your budget for the day way lower. Unless you know you're eating 20 plus. But I'm usually eating 12 to 18 depending on what other. What other meats I'm eating for that meal. I usually don't eat eggs on its own. I'll have like 12 eggs with a side of some meat and butter. It's a complete meal for me.

[B]

Wow. Do you cook them or eat them raw?

[A]

I cook them.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Do you cook them with egg whites? I would be careful to eat them raw because they could either cause stomach issues, indigestion, histamine intolerance as well. So I always cook my eggs.

[B]

Mm. Wow. 12 eggs. Well, that's a lot, right?

[A]

I. I eat a lot of food.

[B]

You don't look like it.

[A]

I know. And that's. That's something that I really hope to just spread like regarding for.

[C]

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[A]

Women especially, you don't have to restrict, you don't have to eat toddler portions, to lose weight, to be lean and to be healthy and confident in your own skin. I have tried all of the diets. I did the juice cleanses, I did the vegan diet, I did the calorie restriction. I just hate that so many women, young women especially, truly believe that they have to eat like, eat less, move more. And so I purposely cook tons of food and put that on camera, film myself eating it proudly so that I can get the conversations going in the comments. And this is how you spark curiosity.

[B]

No, I love that though, because a lot of women I meet are almost feel like shame when they eat a lot.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

It's interesting.

[A]

Yeah. I get comments like them and DMS every single day. Like, Bella, thanks to watching you eat so proudly. Sticks of butter, three pounds of meat. I now proudly eat that way. And I was like, that's exactly what I want. That's exactly why I post.

[B]

Love this. You eat three pounds of meat a day nowadays?

[A]

Yeah, because I'm working out more and more. So three pounds is typical.

[B]

That's a lot, right? That's like how many ounces are In a pound?

[A]

16 ounces. Per pound.

[B]

16 ounces. You're eating pretty much three full steaks, three full sticks.

[A]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[B]

Three full sticks and then 12 eggs and two half a stick of butter.

[A]

Stick of butter, exactly.

[B]

Wow. How many calories do you think that is?

[A]

I calculated one night during a live stream, it is well over 3,000 calories.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

Cuz the resting burn rate's 2,000, right? For most people?

[A]

I think so.

[B]

So you're eating but you're working out and you're active, so working out.

[A]

I am constantly on the move. Like when I work on my laptop, doing meetings, I'm standing. I cannot sit.

[B]

Standing desk.

[A]

Yeah, standing desk. Sometimes treadmill under that. Standing desk. I love moving now. And this is, this isn't like me. I used to be a pianist who are sedentary. When you're playing piano for hours. I would be sitting at my piano eight hours a day, practicing. I couldn't really be moving.

[B]

Yeah, eight hours.

[A]

It's pretty serious stuff. Like if you're, if you're in classical music, you really do have to put that level of commitment in. So I naturally had a lifestyle that wasn't very supportive of activity, movement. So now when I'm constantly moving, walking, working out, this is a completely different life. And I'm not forcing myself to do this. I. I want to do it. And this is kind of what I want women to accept as well. When you change your diet, you eat foods that support your health, your hormones, your mental health, naturally you're going to want to move more. And when you move more, you're happy, you're confident, you have more energy as well, you sleep better.

[B]

Yeah, I noticed when I have days where I take a lot of steps, I feel amazing. Like it's so noticeable now.

[A]

It like lubricates your joints. It's so good for you. Mental Health too.

[B]

But so many people are sedentary like you said.

[A]

Yeah. And it's because they're not eating the proper diet to begin with. So they have joint pain, they have inflammation, they have depression, anxiety. That's not really the right way to go about it is. Okay, I'm not moving right now. New Year's is coming up or I have New Year's resolution. I want to lose weight, lose weight. So I'm going to force myself to go to the gym. Really? You should start with diet. And once you eat right, you're going to want to move your body.

[B]

Facts.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you, do you eat organs too, like the livers and I don't. You don't?

[A]

No. Yeah. I, I don't love the taste of liver. I did experiments early on in my first like two to three years of carnivore. I was so curious because a lot of the OG carnivores said if you want to heal skin, you should have liver, you should have organs. I tried, was minimal difference in my skin. I felt like I could still fully heal my skin with just eating the meats that I want. So to this day I just eat whatever I want.

[B]

How long has this diet been around? Like, are there people that have been doing it for many years?

[A]

Yes. Yes. So Dr. Kilts, he's done it for decades, I believe. Dr. Wiedemann, Kelly Hogan, Sean Baker, the OG group, like the original group of carnivores, they called themselves zero Carb eaters and the group is called, I think Zeroing in on Health. They called it the Zero carb diet. But then Sean Baker came along and gave it a more appropriate name, the carnivore diet, because it's animal foods and it's technically not zero carbs if you're having cheese, milk, eggs, even have carbs. So I feel like carnivore diet is way more appropriate. But we do have very long term carnivores. Dr. Chafee. Right. So these are 15 plus year carnivores.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And they're doing great. They look amazing.

[B]

That's impressive. Yeah, that's super cool. Are you still drinking coffee or do you have to cut that out with the diet?

[A]

Yeah. So did the experiments. Cutting it out completely, having it back. I do fine with coffee, so I drink it every day. What I do with coffee though is I have it after eating.

[B]

After eating, yes. Really?

[A]

This is life changing, especially for women who wake up early in the morning, they go to their job, they, they exercise first thing in the morning. If you notice that you're jittery after having coffee or you have like a little dip of energy around 2 to 3pm every day. If you just have your caffeine after eating, makes a huge difference in your energy.

[B]

Really? Probably helps digest too.

[A]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[B]

So it's a win. Win. You mentioned earlier you mainly eat like barely cooked meat. What's the reasoning for not cooking it to rare, medium rare or rare?

[A]

So I prefer it that way. Tastes better that way. And it's also easier to absorb. And then I'm also getting way more electrolytes, minerals that's naturally in that meat. If I don't cook it, overcook it and kill it.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I might have to chill on the medium. Well then.

[A]

Oh, you eat your meat medium.

[B]

Usually medium. But my girlfriend likes the. What's the one on the well.

[A]

Well done.

[B]

Well done. And that to me is no flavor.

[A]

Well done is typical for. So is your fiance Asian?

[B]

She's Bolivian and Paraguayan.

[A]

Oh, wow. So typically for people who are a little bit more afraid of eating meat bloody because I mean, just look at it, it looks so scary, right? For me it was scary, yeah. Well done is a safe bet. But I see so many people who go carnivore and their taste buds naturally want more rare over time. So don't force yourself to have bloody rare or well, medium rare. It's fine. Like just eat the meat that you enjoy. But the more meat you eat, the more your body's gonna wanna crave the blood.

[B]

Is it true the nutrients get cooked out though? Yes. Have you heard that?

[A]

I would, I would say so. Like if you, if you overcook the meat where there is no redness inside, the nutrients are definitely still there. It's just going to be a little bit more difficult to absorb. In my, in my experience, like for example, when I have a instant pot cooked meat, like a stew, all of that meat is cooked for hours. Right. I'm not searing and eating it bloody. I will have indigestion. It's not going to be nearly as easy to digest for me. I'll have a little bit of bloat. Whereas if I just have a juicy ribeye flash seared for literally 60 seconds per side and I eat that, it's. The bloat is zero.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, you've inspired me. I'll try it. I'll try it. So how do I order that at a restaurant? What do I say?

[A]

I do this, this order. So I would like to have for example, your dry aged rib eye Cooked.

[B]

Blue, rare, blue, rare.

[A]

Blue, rare are the words to use at restaurants because that is the rarest they're able or allowed to cook. That is the rarest. And you can even request cold on the inside.

[B]

Whoa. Oh, my gosh.

[A]

That's basically raw inside. Or you can say, I want it warm on the inside.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And what's a typical reaction when you say that to a server?

[A]

Firstly, the first reaction is, are all these steaks for you? They're like, you know, we recommend just one for a couple because it's usually me and my husband. My husband will just be like, no, it's all for her.

[B]

Do you eat more than your husband?

[A]

Way more.

[B]

Wow. That is funny because I feel like as a man, like I want to eat more than my girl.

[A]

For sure, for sure. He doesn't care. Like he is happy to be just who he is. He's more on an animal based diet anyways, so he's having more variety than me. But I think I'm an exception because any table that I'm at, like, even carnivore tables and carnival meetups, I usually out eat all of the men.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Except for Dr. Baker.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I tried.

[B]

Baker can eat. Damn. I need to come to some of these meetups. These sound fun. You guys have eating competitions?

[A]

Not competitions, just chatting and eating. And honestly, it's like a buffet. Eating as much meat as possible. These meetups are great because you meet so many friends and fellow carnivore eaters. And the food that's usually cooked there are just amazing.

[B]

I need to check you out for a tapeworm or something.

[A]

I will invite you.

[B]

Do they have them in Vegas or where they are? Normally?

[A]

They're all over international. I just was at a carnivore event in Melbourne, Australia. Going to one in a couple or tomorrow actually to Tennessee.

[B]

Wow. Nashville.

[A]

Yeah. Gatlinburg.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So, yeah, just traveling all over, meeting carnivores, sharing my experience with Carnivore. It's great.

[B]

So this diet's worldwide now?

[A]

Definitely. I would say it's worldwide, yeah.

[B]

I thought it was a us thing, but that's. That's cool to see.

[A]

There are carnivores, there are tons in Australia now. There are a lot in England, Europe. I'm even seeing some in China emerge. Although I think China is the last to really accept this carnivore diet.

[B]

They love rice over there. Yeah. And veggies. So you cut veggies? Completely.

[A]

I haven't had a single veggie or fruit in six years.

[B]

Damn, you Ever crave like a nice strawberry or apple?

[A]

No, really, just don't. I have lost the desire and the craving for sweetness. Fresh fruit veggies, completely. Yeah. I made a strawberry shortcake, an animal based cake for my mom just days ago. And so these fresh strawberries are in front of my face. I'm dealing with it, I'm holding it, I'm cooking with it. I had zero desire. Like it's even surprising for me observing myself around these foods that I used to love eating as a vegan. I was eating all of it every single day. I just don't want to eat it. Yeah. And then when I walk by, for example, a bakery or my favorite, like dessert shop, I smell the aromas and it. It's literally nauseating. Yes. I can smell the seed oils, I can smell the processed foods. It gives me a headache if it's way too strong. Like when I smell, when I walk across those New York stands of peanuts. You know how they have like sweet peanuts?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

It gives me a headache. Yeah.

[B]

Well, it's peanut oil. Right? Or whatever. It's.

[A]

Whatever is just gross.

[B]

So what do you do for dessert then?

[A]

I've made carnivore cake. I've made carnivore pancakes. I have made carnivore creme brulee. I have all of these great recipes that I could lean on if I want it. But I don't ever want those recipes where it kind of mimics the desserts that I used to eat. I actually just make those and post those for my husband.

[B]

No clown.

[A]

Yeah. Because my husband, he's animal based. He does need those treats and I make it for him so I'll always have a bite just to taste my dessert. Geniusness in cooking. It is delicious and you really don't miss the real deal. It tastes amazing.

[B]

I love me some raw milk ice cream.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

So good.

[A]

Best.

[B]

It's way better than Ben Jerry's or it's way better.

[A]

Tastes so much better and it's healthier.

[B]

Yeah. Like if you go down the ice cream aisle, it's actually concerning if you read the ingredients.

[A]

I do it all the time because my husband loves his sweet, like sweet treats. He loves ice cream. I have tried to find a brand of like grocery store bought ice cream because it is kind of annoying to have to make it all the time for him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was shocked the first time I walked down the aisle and bred every single ingredients list. There are so many ingredients in there that are not necessary. Ice cream is basically carnivore it's just raw egg yolks, cream and vanilla if you want to add vanilla. And then your sweetener of choice. And if you want to keep it carnivore, animal based, you can have raw honey for sweetness, right? You can have. Glycine is a really great sweetener these days. Allulose. You don't have to put, like, cane sugar. You don't have to put all of these seed oils. I can't believe they put seed oil, seed oils in ice cream.

[B]

Now. Nuts and cane sugar was marketed as, like, a healthier alternative, but it really isn't, right?

[A]

It's not. Yeah. It's best if you just don't have sweetness at all in your. In your diet. Because I see a lot of new carnivores. They allow the raw honey, they allow the allulose, and they come to me and they DM me or they join my community and they're like, why can't I just be free from sugar cravings? I feel like no matter how hard I try, I keep falling back into the junk. And so I asked them, are you having sweeteners? Are you having honey? And they're like, yeah, just. Just every now and again. That's what's keeping them tied. You just have to cut it out completely.

[B]

I also heard it could be a parasite thing too, right? If you're attracted to sweetness, it could.

[A]

It could just be your gut, like, not fully adjusted to no longer eating sweetness. So it literally makes you believe that you still need more of it.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Um, so do you struggle at grocery stores? Is it hard to shop?

[A]

Um, I have my go to. So here in Las Vegas. We just moved here. I go to sprouts, and they have really great options for me and my husband, who's animal based. So it actually is pretty easy, I would say.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Sprouts. And Costco has fantastic options. If you're in California, you guys are so lucky because you have raw dairy at your fingertips. Arowana, Arowan, Bristol farms. Like, you can just get it anywhere. Uh, but here I'll just lean on raw cheese raunchies. You can get anywhere in America. Costco has it. I'll have my favorite meats. I'll order a lot from online farms.

[B]

You see these Amish farm raids, it breaks my heart. Like, they raid these farms. That's their whole livelihood.

[A]

You know, actually, I. It was my secret when I was living here in Las Vegas for the past few months, because Max and I, we didn't know. We wanted to Settle here. So we rented for a couple months and I saw that at Sprouts, at the bottom of their dairy shelves they have pet kefir. It's for dogs, but it's raw. And they can sell it raw because it's sold for pets. And I would buy that and drink that every day. It never made me sick. It's basically what they sell for humans in California. And then just a few months ago they took those out of the grocery store. I can't get it here in Las Vegas anymore. I was devastated.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Yeah. So I kind of just drove to California and stocked up and then back. Yeah, we can keep that in.

[B]

I might have to do that. When I fly jsx, I I always go to Arowana and I load up on stuff. Like I just stock up on everything. Y so do you think you spend more money being vegan or carnivore?

[A]

Hands down, vegan is more expensive. Yeah. And I wasn't even buying the expensive supplements. I was just focusing on organic fruits and the highest quality grains, sweet potatoes, potatoes. I definitely did focus on highest quality and organic. And it turns out that the vegan diet, whole foods, plant based diet, is more expensive than carnivore. Why? Because I rely on eggs. They keep a carnivore diet cheap for sure. And I rely on ground beef. Ground beef, you can get it for six bucks a pound sometimes. Grocery stores, they sell ground beef for three bucks a pound on sale. And so my best tip is to bulk buy when it's those sales going on and put it in your freezer.

[B]

Smart. Any supplements you take?

[A]

None.

[B]

None.

[A]

Take any supplements on a carnivore diet. And I don't have to. I don't think I ever have to. I always say when I eventually become pregnant, obviously I will be taking whatever I need to take to support a healthy and smooth pregnancy. But I have also seen and witnessed so many carnivore women go like, get pregnant, give birth as well. Stay in carnivore.

[B]

Have you seen the pictures of vegan babies?

[A]

I have seen the videos. I have scary photos. It is heartbreaking.

[B]

Super scary.

[A]

They don't deserve that.

[B]

I think people should at least be aware. They should because these mothers think they're eating healthy or whatever and then it affects the baby.

[A]

Now it affects the kids. And I get a lot of DMs heartbreaking DMs from moms. They used to be vegan for 10, 15 years. So they carried their children on a vegan diet. They gave birth and they raised their children on A vegan diet. They found the truth. They went carnivore. They switched their kids from a vegan to carnivore diet. And they come to me with so much sadness and regret. They tell me their stories of how they have a kid that's vegan and they have another kid that's carnivore and the shocking difference in even their teeth growth, their jaw development, their height, their just their behavior, even it is a real thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And kids do not deserve to like be that malnourished when they're born and how they are raised. So yeah, I hope I can have a carnivore pregnancy. I hope I can have animal based or carnivore kids and, and just show, show like my community what can possibly be done when it comes to diet and raising kids.

[B]

I love it. Yeah. When Dr. Chaff came on, he was talking about how different cultures have different diets and like people that were vegan don't grow as tall. Like, like it's really noticeable. They're not as big, they're not as healthy and they're not as tall.

[A]

Yeah. And then you, you look at the kids jaw development as well. Like Weston A. Price is the go to source for that. It's, it's a direct correlation of what diet you're on when you're born and as a kid, as a baby and how your jaw develops. So you see a lot of kids with like collapsed jaws. They don't have a strong chiseled jaw. And that's not just an aesthetic thing that Hollywood celebrities are obsessed with. It's a sign of health and good development. And you get the best development in your early years. Obviously as a child you have to eat meat, you have to be gnawing on gristle. You don't want your kids to be eating, what do you call it, like blended foods all the time. You actually want them to be gnawing and eating off the bone. It's good.

[B]

Yeah. A lot of weak jaws these days. A lot of round faces. It's interesting to see what they demonized growing up. I remember they said salt was bad for you. They said butter was bad for you. The food pyramid obviously was, was all green and now it's turning out all that was bs.

[A]

It's, it's just infuriating for me because like, even if I just walk the streets here in Las Vegas or I sit down at a coffee shop and I happen to hear what, what these two ladies sitting next to me are talking about, there's just so much Misinformation. Right. They're saying, oh my gosh, I have to lose weight. Like I gained so much weight over the holidays and I have to start eating salads again. I have to, I'm going to go on a juice cleanse. Most people just don't know. And also something I'm noticing, most people are vaping all the time, young people, and I can just sit down and people watch and I can't believe the habits that most people are just doing. And then they complain about why do I have anxiety, why do I have depression, why do I have joint pain as a 23 year old? Right. So you have to look at your daily habits, but most importantly your diet.

[B]

Yeah. A lot of mental health issues. And people don't associate that with diet. Right. They just think it's like their environment.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. Juice cleanse. That's a, that's a funny one. That, that was like, if you took that, you're, you're going to be healthy in three days or whatever.

[A]

Because all that sugar, all that sugar and all that like fake weight loss, of course you're gonna lose weight. You're just drinking stuff. The moment you stop the juice cleanse and you go back to whatever diet you think is healthy, you will be gaining it all back. And I would even like to say that fasting, fasting can be a fantastic thing if you have your nourishment down the nutrition. But I see a lot of women also doing extreme fasts, like water fast, even dry fasts. They're pushing it to the next level and doing 7 to 10, sometimes 14 day fast.

[B]

Geez.

[A]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

[B]

For a woman that's, it's very dangerous.

[A]

And it will wreck your hormones to an extent. And I hear it all the time. Again, a lot of women come to me and they're asking me, actually the number one thing they, they complain to me about is this. Why is my hair losing, like falling out? Why am I losing so much hair? And then I always ask them, well, what were you eating and what did you do? They either did a lot of fasts. Even on a keto diet, doing a lot of fasts and long fasts is just not great for our hormones. Or they were restricting too hard or they were working out way too hard in the gym. A lot of women don't realize that yes, there are good stresses, eustresses, but there are also really bad stresses. And there is an extent where stress will cause hair loss.

[B]

Wow. I didn't even know fasting could lead to hair loss. That's crazy to me. Is that for women and men or just women?

[A]

Women are a little bit more sensitive to that. I think men can get away with. With it very fast for sure. But women, they just have to be. We have to be careful.

[B]

Dang.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's nuts. Do a lot of women ask you about oic?

[A]

Oh, I get a lot of just women and men in the community specifically, because in there it's. It's totally not me telling them what to do or teaching them or giving advice. I have coaches in there. I have doctors in there. Like Dr. Cheese. There. Kilt is in there. So we do get a lot of questions and more and more about Ozempic these days. And I look to these doctors and I. I'm so inspired by their answers. They always say you can do the same with diet, specifically a carnivore diet. If you want to eat to a point where you can truly stop eating because you're satiated. The best diet for that is a carnivore diet. A high fat one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What's the biggest weight loss you've seen in your community? Like anyone, lose a lot?

[A]

Great question. And I have had two members in the community lose hundreds of pounds. So one is Lindy. Lindy Barker. She's from Australia. She has now lost 500 pounds.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

500 pounds? Yep.

[B]

That's insane.

[A]

Oh yeah. And then another one is Todd Bocness. He's now lost £300.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's insane. Just from changing the diet. Nothing. Nothing else or no OIC.

[A]

Okay. Actually no exercise.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Lindy was 800 pounds to start. That was the beginning of her journey. Was £800. So you have to imagine when you are that sick and that heavy, you cannot be getting out of bed. She was stuck in her bed for a very long time and so she changed her diet, she went carnivore and she lost 500 pounds gradually. And now she can walk, she can drive. It is a totally different life for people who are morbidly obese and wow, that is the only diet that can help them lose weight.

[B]

That's insane. Yeah. You lost a good amount too, right?

[A]

£40.

[B]

Now that's a lot.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

For your height, how tall are you?

[A]

I'm 5 10.

[B]

Oh, you're actually pretty tall. But yeah, that's still a lot though. £40.

[A]

It is a lot for anyone. Yeah. £40.

[B]

Yeah. For me that'd be. I'd be a twig. I'm like 195 and you're how tall? Six. Six? Yeah. I'm pretty lean right now.

[A]

Very.

[B]

I would say. I eat mainly carnivore. I do have some weakness for homemade sourdough bread, though.

[A]

Oh, that's fine too. Yeah, that's great. If it's clean ingredients.

[B]

Yeah, it's super clean. Like, she bakes with the cleanest organic ingredients. Yeah, we have our own garden.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I know you don't eat vegetables, but I support that.

[A]

Like growing your own food and cooking at home is the best way to go about nutrition. And I don't say everybody has to go carnivore and strict carnivore at that. I actually think an animal based diet where you eat predominantly animal foods is an amazing diet. It is so easy. Just a stain. For me and a lot of sensitive carnivores, we simply can't have plant foods because it causes issues like my eczema will come back, skin will suffer. So that's why for me, I wonder.

[B]

If it's from the pesticides or what exactly is causing that.

[A]

Man, I wouldn't know. Like, Dr. Chaffee probably could explain it perfectly, but he says plants are trying to kill you. I do believe for me personally, when I have even black pepper, I will suffer oils, I will suffer. So there is an extent that is true for me that plants inflame, Plants are poisonous.

[B]

For me, yeah, you might actually be allergic to plants. I didn't know that was possible. What's next? Where could people join the community and keep up with you and everything?

[A]

Thank you. So my community is called the steak and butter gang. And it just offers a lot of Life Q&As and life support. And I, I recognize that a lot of people, the biggest hurdle when going carnivore and sticking to it is that doubt and that fear and feeling like, oh my gosh, is this gonna kill me or actually gonna help me? And so being able to speak to doctors live and having them give you that peace of mind is incredible. It's very helpful. So sbg leadup.com for that and steak and buttercy.

[B]

I love it. Check her out, guys. And I will see you next time.