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Days. But I just thought it was all character for Stream. But it wasn't.
B
Holy crap. Yeah, because some people definitely put on a character.
A
Yeah, I mean, everyone does. Like, everyone has like a switch. Like when the cameras are on, you just have a different type of energy, you know, Gotta kind of act different people, engage.
B
You think that's good or bad, though?
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Bad.
B
Really?
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Yeah. I wish I could just be more myself on camera.
B
I appreciate the honesty.
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Psychopath. Like, everyone sees me as.
B
All right, guys, we got Jack here out in Vegas.
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And.
B
You had a fun day yesterday?
A
Yeah, pretty fun.
B
Got married.
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Yep.
B
How was that?
A
Pretty good. Sort of. I mean, I don't know, low key.
B
Wake up with any regrets or.
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I don't know. I don't even have to. I don't know. We got in a fight right after the wedding, bruh. We're cooked. No, I'm kidding. But I don't know.
B
You're young, man.
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Yeah, I'm young. Fuck.
B
How old are you actually? I don't even know.
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I'm 21.
B
21. Getting married at 21.
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Yeah.
B
Wow.
A
It was. It's like a Vegas wedding. It's like a certificate. Like, it's not like a actual marriage thing. It's like one of those Vegas things. You sound like, real. It's not legit. Oh, I'm not actually getting married. I would have that prenup ready by then, but not last minute.
B
But I feel that. I feel that. Was that a planned thing though, or.
A
You just kind of really just got here to Vegas? I was like, yeah, I need a Stream idea. I was like, you want to get married tomorrow? She's like, yeah, but. And then now we're divorced now. I'm kidding. But I don't know. It's just something everyone does when they go to Vegas. I feel like.
B
Well, you've been with her for a while though, right?
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Yeah, like a year and a half.
B
Your longest relationship?
A
Yeah, pretty much. Like my only, like, actual relationship. Never really took anything seriously because I'm just so focused on, like, you know, my business and everything, but kind of all just happened.
B
Yeah, you've always been focused on business. I remember seeing you in that Logan Paul interview, like, what, five years ago?
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Yeah.
B
And you were still making money. I, like that age was impressed.
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That's when, like, I pretty much started, like, making good money when I was like, 13, 14, 15.
B
Yeah. I used to study how Logan Paul went viral and stuff too. For sure. He definitely inspired a lot of people.
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Yeah, I know. I. I would watch, like, him and Jake, like, growing up all. All day, and they would just inspire me. And that's what made me start my YouTube channel.
B
Absolutely. Did you see the fight last night?
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No, but I bet on it.
B
What? Who'd you bet on?
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Jake and I bet on, like, that would go past five rounds too, so. Yeah, Okay.
B
I. I watched it and it was. It was tough to watch, dude.
A
Yeah, I wish you had to watch it.
B
Why didn't you watch it, bro?
A
My girlfriend was fighting with me over nothing wrote and. I'm kidding. We never get in fights, but it was just such a.
B
So you actually got in a fight? I thought you were trolling.
A
Nah, but that's why I'm a little sad. No, I'm kidding. But we. We've never. We never ever, ever fight, like, ever. But it was just so stupid. It's just like sometimes we just get stressed out and shit, and I just have a lot going on and I don't know, sometimes I feel like the people around me don't really know how to, like, interact with me. Sometimes when, like, you know, I'm stressed out or like, I'm dealing with a lot and I don't know, sometimes I feel like no one's helping me out and I have a huge team, but, like, they are there. I love my team. Like, certain people more than others. No, I'm kidding. But, like, you know, I just need help sometimes. I feel like more.
B
But yeah, team's important, especially someone like you. Like, a lot of yes men try to surround themselves around you, I bet, you know?
A
Yeah.
B
Just egging you on.
A
No, I'm just. I'm very careful with who I surround myself with.
B
You have to be.
A
Yeah.
B
If you have a bunch of yes man, that's like the downfall of a lot of people.
A
Yeah, but I see right through those type of people. Like, I already know, like, new people come my life. I already know their intentions, like why they want to be around me or whatever it is, but so I'm careful.
B
I mean, finding real friends for you must be really difficult because people. People want to use you for views and for money, right?
A
Yeah, sort of. But I don't know, I just let them come across whenever it happens. But I just have a really small circle and kind of keep it that way.
B
That's smart. You're streaming on a new, new site now I saw, right?
A
Yeah. Party dot com.
B
Is that a newer platform? I've never seen them.
A
Yeah, so I got banned on Kick and then like two weeks later, I signed a deal with like, party.com, which is like basically like pretty similar to Kick. And it's just a new live streaming platform that I think is going to do really good.
B
What would happen if Kick on band.
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You though, probably go back streaming on there, but just push everything back to party, you know, I'm trying to like help grow right now and be a part of that, like starting my own like streaming website basically and just like pushing that and growing it. It's kind of my goal right now.
B
Were you surprised when Kick didn't unban you?
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Yeah, but I was talking to Eddie, he said he's gonna unban me. So. Just waiting for that to happen. But yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of crazy that I'm still banned. But you know, I get it, it's whatever, you know, everything happens for a reason in life and it's a wake up call and I gotta learn from it. But yeah, I mean, I'm not tripping.
B
Seems like every day there's a band.
A
There, they definitely got a lot like tighter about everything in the past like year. But I feel like that's just what they have to do because they've just grown so big, you know?
B
Yeah. I mean the big one right now is the Aiden ban that happened a couple days ago, right?
A
Oh, he's banned.
B
I believe he got banned. You didn't see this?
A
Nah.
B
What? Yeah, he got banned. He's Kai Sanat's trying to get him back on Twitch now.
A
Damn.
B
Yeah, I thought you were really up to date with all the streamers.
A
No, I am, but I just been away these past couple days. I just been filming non stop having been looking at my phone.
B
I feel that. Yeah, Fousey got banned too, I believe.
A
But that's like he gets banned every day. He's like a nutcase. Like he gets banned on kicking and gets banned the other day but like crashes out 10 times harder than, than anything I did. But hey, he's just, he's funny but he's like actually insane.
B
Yeah. I mean you did some collabs with him. Was he like that off camera too?
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Yeah, really genuinely. Like I didn't believe it until I saw it, but yeah, I mean I never really like met him like that. And then we did that stream like a year ago and then all that shit happened. Then he ended up getting sent to a mental Hospital for 77 days. But I just thought it was all character for stream. But it wasn't.
B
Holy crap. Yeah, because some people definitely put on a character.
A
Yeah, I mean everyone does. Like everyone has Like a switch. Like when the cameras are on you just have a different type of energy, you know that are kind of active and keep people engaged.
B
Think that's good or bad though?
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Bad.
B
Really.
A
Yeah. I wish I could just be more myself on camera. I appreciate that psychopath like everyone sees me as.
B
I mean I feel like you do it to build an audience. Like the Jake Paul formula, right?
A
Yeah, basically. I mean it's kind of exact same, like exact same thing he did, like. But you know, at the end of the day I gotta use all the engagement I have to push a more positive narrative of myself and just do better things, which I'm working on. But you know it's. There's obviously little hiccups in the road because I live stream every second of my life. So obviously all my fuck ups are gonna be broadcasted live to just be, you know, shitted on everywhere and. But yeah, I mean it just makes me learn from everything more. Cuz I know everyone fucks up a lot off camera but I be live streaming absolutely everything I do. So everything I do just gets thrown right back in my face or taken the wrong way or whatever it is, you know. But I just keep learning from it.
B
Yeah. You can't hide anything if you're live streaming 24 7.
A
Yeah.
B
And Kai's doing that right now for a month straight, you know.
A
That's crazy.
B
Dude. That's nuts. Even when he sleeps, showers.
A
I don't know how he does it.
B
I couldn't do that. The invasion of privacy is just like.
A
There's just like not never being able to have a break is like what really does it. It's just not being able to step off camera and just like turn yourself off is what makes you just crash out.
B
Yeah.
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That's why like Fousey acts like that. So I don't know, people are just too much of that. Like the camera just makes you go crazy.
B
No, everyone, dude. I remember when Logan was vlogging every day. He went crazy near. Near the 1 year mark or whatever.
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Yeah.
B
So you got to be careful.
A
Yeah.
B
Do you stream every day?
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I stream like basically every day. Sometimes every day, but like at least like four times a week. Probably five times a week.
B
Geez. And how often are you planning like what's going on the stream? Is that like a daily thing?
A
I try to plan as much as possible but it gets like stressful, you know if you have a stream, like if you're doing 10 hours stream today, it's hard to plan every hour your stream, especially if you're doing it every day. So a lot of stuff just kind of happens as, like, as it happens and it's like unplanned, but kind of just go about and just fill my life.
B
What. What type of content gets the most views for you?
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I mean, I don't even know. I guess whenever I crash, I'm a clarion.
B
I wasn't going to bring it up unless you did that one got. How many views did that get?
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I don't even know. Like, probably like billions like that. She's everywhere.
B
You can't escape that, right?
A
Yeah, I have. Like, like, because on the news. So it just hits a whole different, like, you know, demographic of people. Like, like even, like old people and shit know about it. And they'd be like, yo, you're that guy that crashed McLaren. Like. Yep, thank you. Reminding me.
B
Yeah. When you look at how you handle that situation and you look at all the people talking about it, like, what goes through your head?
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Yeah. I mean, that's the type of shit I believe. Like, looking back on my live streams and, like, trying to learn from, like, dang, I shouldn't have gone about it like that. And I just look at it and cringe, like, why did I do it like that? But, you know, when you're in the moment, you don't think, like, how can I make myself look the best? Or whatever. You know, you kind of just act how you'd act. And I was just like, all right, my Fillmore's okay. Like, I realized he's good. Like, we're best friends. Like, I don't need to be like, are you okay? Are you okay? Like, we looked at each other, realize we're okay. We're just trying to, like, save our lives and break out of this McLaren, you know? Yeah, but, like. Yeah, I mean, then I'm like, all right, let's just film it. Like, he was filming before I even started filming.
B
Like, oh, really?
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He pulled out his phone and started filming because he just. That's what we're used to. Like, we'd been doing this for years. Like, this is all we. Like, all we do and. Yeah, but I mean, at the end of the day, like, I shouldn't act like that. And. Yeah, you know, I realized I didn't need to act like that. I'm just so. I just sometimes get so caught up in, like, everything I'd be doing and I just lose, like, sense of reality. And I think I just needed a little wake up call right there and just humbled me a little bit.
B
Damn. Well, at least you can look back and reflect on it, right?
A
Yeah, but I mean, I guess that's the whole point, you know, instead of just keep up, I gotta learn from it.
B
Yeah. Do you think that was kind of the final nail in the coffin for you?
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I mean, not really. I'm probably up more like, hopefully not. You know, at the end of the day, it's a car accident and an accident's an accident. You know, people get in accidents, but unfortunately it was live streamed, you know, so.
B
Yeah. How fast were you going?
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I crashed at like 39 miles per hour. That's what it said on the dash. Which isn't bad. Like, thank God. Like, you know, because I'm in a McLaren, like, obviously I'd be driving that way faster. So I'm just glad I crashed at 40 miles per hour, not like 100.
B
Yeah. Because you were on the highway, right?
A
Yeah. Yeah.
B
So it could have been worse. Could have been 70, 80. Yeah, easily. And it was raining.
A
Yeah. That's why I crashed the hydroplane.
B
Right?
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Yeah.
B
Yeah. You can't even react to that. That's just like.
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Yeah, I mean, like, that's happened to me like a little bit before. And I always, like, gain control, but, like, nothing like that. Like, that was. That was crazy. Like, I know how to drive those cars, you know, Like, I have a bunch of them. Like, that's all I do. So it's like, I have a lot of practice with it, so that stuff would never happen. But it's just like when you're a hydroplane, you have no control over your car. Especially in a McLaren. Like, those cars are the worst to begin with.
B
I haven't heard the best things about McLaren's, actually. How many cars do you have right now?
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I think like seven or eight.
B
Jeez. And you're 21.
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I want to get rid of them.
B
Really? After that incident?
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Yeah, you probably crash another one.
B
You probably have ptsd, right? You probably don't even want to.
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I don't drive anymore. I'm so done with that. Like, I just don't want to fuck up again. Yeah, I'm scared. Like, it could have gotten so much worse, you know, I could have hit someone else or my film or could have gotten like, could have. Who knows? You know? So it's just like, I just don't want to ever put myself in that situation ever again or anyone else in that situation ever again, you know, I'm too young and too much going on in my life right now to, like, be around with cars like That. I don't know, I feel that.
B
I remember that one streamer that was driving on the highway, like all crazy. I forget his name.
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Squeeze. Ben Squeeze. Yeah. That's the thing. It's like I get banned on Kick for like getting an accident. Like, I purposely crashed my car or. Purposely. I wasn't recklessly driving or anything. You know, it was raining. It was the first time I ever drove my car. Not in track mode, like I was in like the family friendly mode. But like, yeah, I obviously unintentionally crashed the car. Was an accident. Accident. An accident's an accident. You know, I'm gonna learn from it. But like Neon on the other hand, like, he was in that car with Squeeze bends, like just weaving it out of traffic and he crashed into someone into the Hit and Run and just dipped. And then he gets unbanned like three days, like, what the fuck?
B
Crazy. Yeah. I wonder what happened.
A
That Squeeze guy, he's in jail, I think.
B
Oh, he is?
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Yeah.
B
For that, that video, that Hit and.
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Run, I don't know, but it's just like he has a ton of attention towards his name. So obviously something's gotta happen.
B
Damn. Yeah, those videos are wild. I would never get in that car, bro. That. Holy. Do you do stuff with Neon still? Nah, not anymore.
A
We're supposed to box, but he backed out of it, like, literally couple days before. It was insane.
B
You would win that. Yeah, I mean, he's too skinny.
A
I mean, he's such a twig.
B
Yeah, that would be easy.
A
Yeah. I've been wrestling all my life too. Like, since I was like, literally four years old, so.
B
Oh, yeah.
A
Yeah. So I, like, I'll never lose a fight. Like, I. I'm tough. Like, he hasn't left his room, like.
B
But how. How much do you want to get into boxing right now?
A
How much what?
B
Do you want to get into boxing?
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Yes, sort of. But like, it's just a lot like, you know, the whole training, everything. Like, I have so much other stuff I have to keep my mind on. It's like hard for me to just like turn it all off and just focus on training for boxing, you know?
B
Yeah.
A
Like, even though, yeah, it pays good or whatever, but, like, I just have so much going on right now that I don't want to, like, you know, stop or, you know, lose. So I just have to keep going on everything and keep the momentum going. But I mean, boxing is definitely something I would want to do down the line for sure.
B
Yeah. Boxing's a full time thing.
A
Yeah. I was just the easy lick. I didn't have to train, so I was like, fuck it, let's do it.
B
That would have been the easiest million you ever made, literally. Yeah. You probably wouldn't have had to do shit. Dude, on the way here, I saw on your Twitter you didn't get let on your plane. Oh, yeah, United Airlines.
A
Yeah. Yeah.
B
So what happened?
A
We were on our way back from Coachella a couple months ago, and, like, there were these two, like, 40 year old, like, guys, right? And like, they were. We. They took a picture with me, everything. Like, before we hopped on the plane, they were super cool. They even let me, like, smoke a little joint before the airplane. We were like, live. They were like, super cool, right? And then all of a sudden, they get super drunk on the plane and then start acting insane. Like, I have it all on video. Like, we recorded all of it. And then, like, all the passengers the plane were trying to get these two guys off the plane because, like, they wouldn't leave us alone. I was like, yo, it's like we had a red eye flight. So we're like, yeah, we're trying to see. Can you please just leave us alone? And like, they just took it the wrong way and then just started, like, trying to, like, baker and fight and like, it was just insane. Then all of a sudden, I don't know, after the plane incident, whatever, like, the flight attendant was trying to get them kicked off the plane, and then it somehow flipped on me. There was just someone that, like, wasn't on the plane. Like, one of the workers or like a cop or something that just knew who I was and just, like, wanted to, like, fuck with me. And like, yeah, he's like, yo, you're off the plane too. Or like, it was insane. Like, I record everything I know in those situations, like, not to act out because obviously, like, I'm the kid in the situation. I'm filming. I have a camera. They're gonna look at me in the worst way possible, so I have to, like, maintain my composure so I don't get kicked off the plane. But no matter how respectful I acted, they just, like, some people just. I don't know.
B
That sucks, though, because you want to red eye, so you got to get a hotel that night.
A
Now we ended up just waiting a couple hours. I had to take a. I took a spirit flight home that was w. Because I literally saw the week before a little baby went viral for, like, flying spirit. And I was like, yo, this is my time. Like, yo, let's book a spirit flight home. And Then take videos of me on the Spirit flight. So I had my film. Or just take videos of me while I was on the spirit fight. And that went so viral. Flying economy this and that. But I really only flew Spirit because I got banned from United Airlines, so I had to fly Spirit. But I was like, yo, I'm going to do this and just record videos. And it just went crazy viral.
B
Good old spirit.
A
I saw a ton of that situation and made it a w. Saw a.
B
Ton of those clips. I thought they were fake, but you were actually on a Spirit Airlines flight.
A
Hell, yeah.
B
That's hilarious.
A
I'll do it again. I hate wasting money on flights.
B
It's actually not that different from United, to be honest.
A
Really? Like, they're all the same at the end of the day. Like, I don't even. I don't even care. It's just whatever gets me there for the cheapest price.
B
Yeah.
A
Land. I'm gonna be like, yo, I'm happy I saved money.
B
So you got a frugal side to you.
A
Yeah, for sure.
B
That's interesting because you buy nice cars, but you do, like to save money.
A
Yeah. On, like, things that, like, I guess I can keep. Like, you know, like. Like washers and cars. Like, those are all things. I, like, hold most of this value. You know, Sometimes they go up. But, like, on things where it's like a plane seat, where it's like, it's gone once I land, it's just like, there's no point in spending that extra money to me. Yeah. Especially when I have to fly my whole team around with me. I have, like, 10 plus people.
B
Jesus.
A
So it's just like, there's no point in wasting extra money on seats when I don't have to.
B
Yeah. You got security. You got the camera guys.
A
Yeah.
B
Your girl.
A
Yeah.
B
That's a fat team. So everywhere you go, you. You roll 10 deep.
A
Probably like. Like, if we go on vacation, like right now in Vegas with us, we have, like, probably 10, 12 people with us, maybe more.
B
Jeez. Dude, that's like 5K in flights, in hotels and stuff.
A
Yeah, it's cooked.
B
Holy crap. You're sending.
A
So I don't travel. Fuck. Everywhere I go, I have to bring a whole family with me.
B
Yeah.
A
But it's a lot, you know? That's why I don't know.
B
But God damn. So how do you want to grow the team? Are you cool with where it's at right now?
A
I'm, like, cool with where it's at right now. I just be getting. I don't know, if you add too much, sometimes you just get stressed out and. Yeah, if you move too fast, you know, not everyone gets in place. And you gotta make sure everyone knows, like, what their job is and what they got to do every day before you keep hiring more.
B
And that's not even including all the clippers you have.
A
Yeah, and I have a ton of clippers, too.
B
How many clippers do you have?
A
Probably like 50 to 100, maybe more.
B
I'm looking to get into that too right now.
A
Yeah, that stuff is key. Definitely helps.
B
You need it. I mean, when you go on TikTok, all those viral videos are from clippers, right?
A
Yeah, literally.
B
And they get millions of views sometimes.
A
Yeah, they go crazy.
B
Is that how you grew your streaming views?
A
Yeah, I would say so. It's just, like, stuff that just happens on, like, live stream, it just goes viral on other platforms and. Yeah, I guess that's how people, like, start tuning into the live streams.
B
Yeah, because before the live stream, you were doing YouTube, right?
A
Yeah.
B
And you saw the live streaming as a bigger opportunity? Basically, yeah.
A
Like about like a year, year and a half ago, like, I saw, like, everyone, like, kind of exploding off the live streaming stuff, so I just wanted to get into it, and then I saw, like, like Neon hit me up and then brought Fousey over, and then that's how that whole thing happened. And then from there, like, I just used that as a way to get into streaming, and then I just never looked back.
B
Yeah. What a group of people. Neon, Fousey and yourself. Yeah. Holy crap.
A
Yeah.
B
That is nuts. I think Neon is. Did he sign a huge deal with one of them?
A
Yeah, he has a good kick deal, I'm pretty sure.
B
Yeah. Okay. Damn. Yeah, I saw some of those deals, man. Crazy money.
A
Yeah, it's pretty good money.
B
Did you sign one with Quick originally?
A
Yeah, I had a kick deal.
B
Oh, shit. So that McLaren thing lost the deal?
A
Yeah, but maybe if I get on ban, I should have it back. But wow, figuring all out right now.
B
Those streaming deals were the craziest deals I've ever seen.
A
Oh, yeah, they are.
B
Why is it so lucrative, you think?
A
I guess because it's just, like, so new, and it's, like, hard to put an exact value on it. And, like, you know, people obviously think they're worth a lot more, but all those. A lot of those things you saw are, like, not real to, like, none of those, like, $100 million contracts are really $100 million contracts. But, like, they're close. But, like, it, you know, the Wording's a little off. Whatever. It might be like stuff in there that you can. But I don't know.
B
I remember, yeah, the XQC Aiden sign honored. But basically the. The streaming services, they run ads on your live stream, right? That's how they make their money back, sort of.
A
I guess with Kick, it's not like that. Like they. I think they just rely on like their revenue from like steak. Like the gambling website.
B
Got it. Did you ever try Twitch?
A
Yeah, I was on. I've been on Twitch since I got banned on cake.
B
Oh, okay.
A
Yeah.
B
So Twitch allows you to film on their platform?
A
Yeah, I've been good. Like, I don't. I don't know. I've been very careful. I have not been driving a car. Yeah, I mean, I'm just very careful. I don't want to mess up again, you know.
B
Holy crap. But yeah, what's the next big stream or video you got planned right now?
A
Maybe the divorce video. I'm kidding. I don't know. Like, I just got that deal with Party, so we're just doing something big every. Every month for a stream.
B
Do you do the gambling stuff?
A
I had a gambling deal, but not anymore.
B
Those go viral, right? The gambling streams?
A
Sort of. I mean, they're all right. It depends like, I guess how you do it. But I'm going to do like an in person gaming stream today, which is like different, but yeah, that'll be like, better.
B
I see the ones with Dana White and like the Nelk boys and stuff.
A
Yeah, those are fire.
B
How political did you get this election? Were you. Were you pretty outspoken?
A
I have that Trump rap Bentley, but other than that, like, I try not to piss people off with politics because you know how people get like. But I voted for Trump. I don't care. I'll say it, okay. W. Trump.
B
Damn.
A
Obviously, I mean, I had that Trump rap Bentley, you know, I mean, who, who else have you voted for, you know? But I mean, hey, I don't really care.
B
Well, you're in Florida, so I mean. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
A
They can cry about it.
B
If you vote Kamal in Florida, you're going to get. I don't know what would happen to you.
A
There's no point.
B
You plan on staying in Florida for a bit?
A
Yeah, I moved there like a year and a half ago, two years ago. Because it's like taxes and stuff. I used to live in LA for like a year, but I grew up in New York.
B
Okay. I grew up in Jersey. I did not like la, dude. I tried it for five months?
A
Yeah. Like, after a year, I was like, yeah, I gotta get out of here. Like, one, the taxes are just so high, and that's the main reason I moved out. But two, it's just that people are so fake. Like, everyone there is just, like, basically fake it till you make it. No one really knows what they're doing out there. It's just like, I don't know, just everyone comes from everywhere, all over the world, trying to make it. It's just a bunch of leeches out there. It doesn't feel like home.
B
Yeah, I could definitely see that. Especially coming from New York, where people are just straight up honest to your face, literally.
A
Yeah. And then everyone out in L. A is just like, yeah, New York.
B
I like New York. But during the pandemic, it was just dead.
A
Yeah.
B
So I had to get out of there. And then L. A was even worse. Holy shit.
A
Yeah.
B
But Miami, you could do whatever you want, so that's probably the best spot to be in right now.
A
I love Miami. Yeah.
B
You ever do stuff in other countries?
A
Yeah, I've done some streams. And, like, I did a stream in Dubai.
B
I was.
A
That was fun. That was like, probably the best thing ever.
B
You didn't get arrested like, neon out there.
A
Nah. See, like, I know when, when, when, like, how to act. Like, I know, like, not to, like, fuck up, but. Unless I'm driving McLaren, but. But, like, I mean, in Dubai, that's the only thing I was, like, trying to avoid was getting in trouble.
B
Yeah.
A
Very, very careful.
B
Have you been arrested?
A
Yeah.
B
For what?
A
Filming a prank when I was, like, 17. It was so dumb. It was just like, I just filmed the wrong person. It wasn't even anything I did. It was just like, Just for filming in public. It was so stupid.
B
I thought you're allowed to film in public.
A
You are, but it's just, like, the people I film, like, it was apparently some, like, rich ass, like, celebrity family in, like, L. A. And, like, they got the police to, like, arrest me, but then, like, they let me go, like, a couple hours later because there was, like, no charges. It was just. It was like the craziest, weirdest thing ever.
B
Damn.
A
And they put me on probation for a year, but then they let me off after, like, six months because they're like, realize I'm not. Like, I don't need this. Like, I'm like, yo, I didn't do anything wrong.
B
Yeah. Your parents are probably freaking out, right?
A
Nah, nah, not really. I mean, it wasn't a big deal. I didn't do anything wrong. Like, everyone kind of knew that, and. I don't know. They knew. I'll be chilling.
B
Yeah, I saw some video. Your mom's like. She works at the cafeteria.
A
Yeah.
B
At a school.
A
Yeah.
B
You plan on retiring her?
A
I would. You know, I take care of her and I literally give her anything she wants. She's my mom. I wouldn't have a single thing if it wasn't for her. But I think it's important for her to, like, have that job, too. So she's, you know, keeps busy and doesn't get into the wrong things, you know, Because I just think it's good for her. And she thinks the same thing.
B
So nice.
A
For, you know, her own reasons. It's just good for her to have.
B
Who is that business inspiration for you then?
A
Growing up, my dad. My dad was more of, like, an entrepreneur. And he has, like, his own, like, roofing company and stuff like that. And I would always see him, like, just hustling and stuff and just working every day. And, like, he made his own hours, but he would work all day long, and so I would just see that. And.
B
Did you work with him?
A
Not really. No. My dad would always be, like. Like, tell me kind of that I would just not. Not that I wouldn't get anywhere. But I was, like, the athlete in the family. All I cared about was sports. I would never, like, help with anything outside of that. Like, my brother was like, the Boy Scout. Would always help put up Christmas decorations and, like, help my dad with that kind of shit. And I'll be across the street playing basketball, like, okay, okay. But he was like, you gotta start doing, like, manual labor and all this stuff. Otherwise you're never gonna be anywhere in life. And then I kind of just figured out my own way. And he always thought my brother was gonna be, like, the smart one and, you know, do it all, but prove them wrong. Yeah.
B
Are you close with your brother? I didn't know you had a brother.
A
Actually, yeah, I'm close with him.
B
Has he been on your streams and stuff?
A
Yeah.
B
Okay. Does he do, like, social media for a living or.
A
Yeah, he does social media. He's on his kind of his own side of things. He has a boyfriend.
B
Oh, wow. So that's interesting.
A
Yeah.
B
I did not know that. We'll leave it at that then.
A
Yeah. That's all we gotta say there.
B
You still play basketball, huh? We might have to play if you still hoop.
A
Yeah, I beat Lil TJ in a 1v1 a couple weeks ago.
B
How much you want to bet that you could beat me in a one on one.
A
You're tall, man. You're fucking tall. But everyone underestimates me. They all think they could win, but like, I got energy. Like, I'll keep going.
B
What if I give you a point lead to start?
A
You're probably good, bro. You're hella tall. Yeah, like at least like little tj. Like my height, like all these rappers. I'll keep my height. Like they're all kind of short.
B
All right, we'll have to run some two on two then. We gotta maybe against Bryce hall or something.
A
Yeah, let's do it.
B
Yeah, let's run that. We could play out here. Is that your best sport? Basketball?
A
I was like growing up, I played like hockey, soccer, like baseball, lacrosse. Like I played every sport, but I think the one like I really took most seriously was like hockey. And then I got into YouTube hockey.
B
So you liked getting in fights? Did you ever get in any?
A
Yeah, we would. Our team, I played on two teams. We had a school league and then like a travel league. Like the school league was like way more trolls. So like me and my friends would just like mess around and stuff and like banned from the league was so bad.
B
Damn. For what?
A
My friend, like fought the ref. It was insane. I didn't do it obviously. Like he did and they kind of banned our whole team for it. It was insane.
B
So he just made a bad call or whatever and he fought him.
A
Yeah, he would crash out. Like no one gave a fuck about that league. Like they would just act like insane because it wasn't like no one. Like the coaches wouldn't like discipline you like that. So everyone just kind of acted out.
B
Geez.
A
But like the travel leagues, like, if you like say hi to the coach the wrong way, they'll bench you for the game or send you home.
B
Damn. You should do some hockey content, dude. That'd be fun.
A
Yeah, I should low key, like start.
B
Up a league or something.
A
They gotta do a stream with like a hockey player. That'd be fire.
B
That'd be dope. I like what? I think it's Kai, right? With the basketball league, the little kids. Yeah, yeah, those are funny. You should do one with the hockey kids.
A
Yeah, that'd be fire. That would.
B
You think you could still play?
A
Yeah, Hell yeah.
B
So you were nice.
A
I got a hockey set up at my house in Florida.
B
Oh, okay.
A
Yeah, I got like a little fake ice thing and then I just shoot into the net.
B
Nice. What was your position?
A
I play center. Center?
B
I don't know hockey. Well, So I don't even know where the Is that defense.
A
Oh, no. It's like you take the face off and.
B
Oh, okay.
A
Yeah.
B
Nice. Shit. Well, dude, what's next for you out in Vegas? What else you got planned this trip?
A
I think there's, like, complex con. I'm gonna go to that. I don't know.
B
Are you allowed to film there?
A
Yeah, probably.
B
Okay. I know certain hotels are strict, right?
A
Yeah, no, they're super strict about, like, filming and everything, but I got approval to film at this one casino. So I'm gonna link up with Bryce and do that gambling stream today. I've been trying to do that the whole time I've been here, but, like, all the casinos said they need, like, five days notice up front. And, like, I'm only here for, like, three days.
B
Where are you going? Red Rock.
A
We were. Me and I was actually there last night with Bryce at gambling, but just off stream.
B
Oh, okay.
A
Yeah, yeah.
B
Red Rock's a spot, man. They're chill there. How much are you going to gamble today?
A
I don't know. He gambles big, so I might have to go a little bigger. But I'm just. I gamble small. Like, I literally bring, like, 500,000 bucks to the casino.
B
That's it.
A
Yeah. I don't like losing money. Right. Just, like, making money. I hate losing money.
B
Damn. So you really are frugal, man.
A
I'm so frugal, yeah. I'll never bring, like, because it's just like, what's going to. It's not going to change my life. I feel like the casino, like, there's no amount of money. Like, unless I bring an amount of money that I'm, you know, going to cry myself to sleep when I lose it, you know, there's no way that money's going to change my life in a good way, let's say. Get on a run.
B
Damn.
A
I just don't look at gambling in a good way, you know, it's just like, it's a losing game at the end.
B
Yeah, yeah. Your fans are probably roasting you on the stream.
A
Like, how you think the casinos afford to keep going? Like, they. They take your money. So it's like, just play whatever you're comfortable with losing, you know, you're not.
B
Going to win long term.
A
Yeah.
B
I've seen Bryce lose tens of thousands.
A
He said yesterday he's down at the red rock, like, 140.
B
Oh, my.
A
He's like, yeah, I'm only down 110 now. Let's go.
B
I can't stomach that.
A
Dude, yeah, me neither.
B
I'd have to be making stupid money.
A
Because I was like, when I was like 15, I was super into like trading stocks.
B
Yeah.
A
Like, that's how I feel. Like I got over, like the whole gambling addiction was. Because trading stocks is basically like gambling at the end of the day. It's like when you're trading options, that shit fluctuates like insane. And like, I would throw in like, I would be 15 years old throwing in 3,400k into one options, like play. And like it would fluctuate like 10,20 a second. It's just like, jeez, the emotions you feel like, especially at that age, like just stomaching those losses and, or wins, you know, it's just like the, the influx of emotions just insane. So I feel like that taught me a lot at a young age and like really shaped me up for now when I started making like real, real money like I am now, I guess, like, not to gamble it all the way.
B
And so you lost a ton on stocks?
A
I would say I kind of broke even on it. Like, I was up like crazy at the beginning. I doubled my money. I was probably up like, I put in like 400k when I was like 15. It's like Robin Hood and I doubled that and then I went back down to 400.
B
Damn. You had 400k at 15?
A
Yeah.
B
How did that affect the way you, like, I guess acted in high school with like your friends that are broke and shit?
A
I was low key. Like, way more humble than I should have been. Not really. Like, no, I was good. But yeah, I mean, I never, I never knew how long any of it was going to last for. So I was just super, like, humble and frugal and I never spent a dime of it. Like, I was like, this could end tomorrow. So I was like, damn, let me like, save and invest it all. And I never spent a single dollar of it until I graduated high school. So I had like probably a million or two in the bank before I really even knew what Louis Vuitton was, you know, and crashing out and wasting my money.
B
Holy shit.
A
But yeah, I was super frugal with my money.
B
Damn. Because I would destroy a lot of people that age.
A
Hell, yeah. But I don't know, I just. Just stayed focused and just didn't get anything I didn't really need.
B
That's impressive. And then you started going hard when you were 18.
A
Yeah. And then once I realized, like, all right, like, I think, like, I figured out some other stuff, you know, like, I went down some Other business ventures and stuff. And I was like, all right, like, I think I'm gonna be here for a while and I know what I'm doing. And I just was a lot more confident in myself on social media, and I know what I'm doing, so, like, now I can just go about things differently.
B
What was that first business venture that took off for you?
A
When I started my only fans agency.
B
Okay, that was at 18.
A
Yeah, damn.
B
See, that was before you even, like, 21. Don't you have to be 21 on that platform?
A
18.
B
Oh, 18.
A
Yeah.
B
Okay. So how did you get the first girl to manage?
A
It kind of all just, like, happened. Like, I wasn't even, like, trying to make it happen. It's like someone low key came to me about it or like I was talking to someone about it and it all kind of just happened. And then from there, I kind of, like, never looked back. And I just kept scaling it.
B
How many girls do you have now?
A
Right now I have, like, six, seven. But I have, like, a lot, like, double that at a point. But I kind of just like keeping it small and just focusing on, like, you know, just making everyone as big as possible. Because sometimes you have to spread yourself too thin across, you know, 20 people. It's just. I don't know, you can make more off six and you can have, like, 12 girls.
B
100%. Yeah. You can't handle it at a certain point. Right?
A
Yeah.
B
People hitting you up.
A
Yeah. And then it's just like, you know, girls, how girls are and shit. It's hard to.
B
I mean, you only need, like, a few good ones in that space. I've seen some of the numbers. It's fucking insane.
A
There are girls that do millions a month. Like, it's.
B
Yeah, that one girl. What was her name? She just said she was retiring. The blonde girl. Corinna, I think.
A
I don't know.
B
Corinna Cop.
A
Never heard of her.
B
Never heard of her?
A
No. No.
B
Dude.
A
Yeah.
B
I think she made, like, 40 mil.
A
Oh, did she?
B
Is that the most you've heard?
A
I think Bad baby made like 60.
B
Damn.
A
Yeah. Like the girl from Dr. Phil.
B
Holy crap.
A
Yeah.
B
What's the highest one your client has.
A
Made in a month? Like, close to a mil.
B
Damn.
A
Yeah, that was, like, the one of the first months. Like, I started, like, that was right when I was, like, 18. Like, that was the peak of it. Like, three months, four months into me starting it. Everything, like, I just. It took off so fast.
B
Well, I feel like the timing was good for you.
A
Yeah. Back then, too. It was a lot less competitive, you know. Now it's super oversaturated. Like everyone and their mother does only fans. So it's like you got to be ten times more creative nowadays than you did like two years ago.
B
Dude, I log into X right now. It's just only fans.
A
Yeah.
B
I don't even like, consume.
A
That's so true.
B
No, it's annoying.
A
Yeah.
B
Even like ig, I see like half naked girls on my feed. I'm like scrolling next to my girl in bed. I'm like, why is this even popping.
A
Up like a. Yo, it's the Explorer page.
B
I mean, see, algorithm man.
A
Yeah.
B
What platform works the best for like, I guess, transferring people to OnlyFans for you probably.
A
Like, I mean, Twitter, like, has the highest conversion rate for sure, but then I guess like Instagram, TikTok, like, those are pretty good. Yeah.
B
Damn. So it's still killing it for you though.
A
Yeah, it's all doing pretty well. Yeah.
B
Damn, I thought it got saturated.
A
Yeah. But like, you just have to have like, girls that just are, I don't know, just have like a name for themselves and are just doing better than everyone else. If you just focus on like a core group of girls, like, it's. It's not hard to like, have them making a good amount of money.
B
Yeah. Is your goal with that business to sell it one day?
A
Definitely not. I feel like it's a hard business to sell. It's like you can't really, like, it's something that I just have to do more hands on. So it's. It's kind of hard to put a price on it and sell it. Because if I were to stop, you know, working on the business, it's like, who's gonna really be doing all the things? Because, like, I do it differently than most agencies, you know, like, I blow up the girls. Every girl I start with, I started from scratch and Yeah, I mean, that's how I like to do it because, like, I know what I'm doing and a lot of agencies, I just, you know, manage like the only fan side of things. Like, I like, actually blow up the girls and like, provide them all the traffic and do everything for them.
B
That's a lot different than most people. Yeah.
A
Yeah.
B
Because most people just pay pages to post their girls.
A
Yeah. So it's like, it's not like anyone can really, like, I guess, buy me out and like, do what I'm doing because it's like kind of use my platform and like, you know, everything to.
B
Yeah, that'd be Tough to sell. That's a good point. My buddy does buy them though.
A
Yeah, I mean, there definitely are ways, like I could put money into just doing promos for girls and this and that. And there's ways to do without even using my social media or whatever, but yeah, I mean, I just choose to do it that way.
B
Do you have any, any long term goals, whether it's financially or for live streaming?
A
I just want to, I guess, have more time for myself and like my family and friends, I guess, and just not be so. I don't know, I feel like I could just never take a break. I feel like I can just never stop and I wish I could break out of that and feel like I have enough to where I can just, you know, be myself and hang out and, I don't know, not burn myself out so much.
B
Damn, you need a. You need ayahuasca trip, my man.
A
Yeah, you need a vacation, Whatever that means. Sign me up.
B
You need some psychedelics in you type shit. Yeah. That must suck though. Have that feeling of like, yo, if I don't work, the money dries up.
A
Yeah, I mean, it's not even like that. It's just like I just always feel like I want so much more and I just don't like losing the momentum. I feel like I always have to doing something every day. And even if I don't, like, there's always either people like calling me or hitting me up that I have to like answer. So I could just never really get a break. Like, you know what, Like I'm waking up to like a hundred text or I'm going to bed, 200 texts. So it's like. Or calls, you know, non stop. Yeah, it's just second I get up, I have to, you know, go right to work, basically.
B
Yeah. I mean, you showed up here as soon as you got up. Why do you think your expectations are so high for yourself?
A
Because I know there's not many people in the world that, you know, get this opportunity that I have and I. I don't want to lose it.
B
Yeah, I can relate to that. Yeah. It must be tough though, long term. I don't know if that's gonna work out, you know?
A
Yeah, but I'm just the burnout. I mean, I've been doing it for 10 years and like I've been, I've been fine.
B
You've never had burnout or like I've.
A
Never taken a break. I mean. Yeah, there's times where I've like crashed the fuck out and I'm like this shit, I don't want even do it anymore. But like, you know, that's just all part of the game, you know, it's like you just gotta bounce back and not let anything get to you and just. I always just try to think positive and not be negative and keep everyone around me positive so I can just keep going, you know, because it's really all about the energy around you feel that. But yeah, I mean, if you just look at everything the most positive way and you just keep going. Because I just try to like, just think like I'm grateful to be in the position I am today and look at it in the best way possible and never get like negative about it.
B
Damn. No break in 10 years. Holy crap. I did about six years and I was going crazy, dude. Yeah, I was going nuts.
A
The live streaming shit makes you go crazy. Like if you do like, if you start streaming like too much, like you just, you just turn into a whole different person.
B
What do you think causes that? Because you think you're just trying to like get so many views. It's like.
A
Yeah, you're just constantly trying to just entertain and like never let a try moment. It's just like you just, I don't know, it just turns into a spiral and then before you know it, it's just like you're like, where the hell is all this energy coming from? Like, I haven't slept in three days and I'm crashing out here and just doing all this crazy and I don't know, it's just like sometimes you seem to take a step back and I think Loki getting banned on Kick was like the biggest blessing in disguise. That's how I look at it. Like everything happens for a reason. And. Yeah, I don't know.
B
Wow, that's deep. No, I could see that though, because if you're like doing normal stuff, you're gonna lose viewers and then, yeah, you know, you kind of have to be like doing crazy shit all day.
A
Yeah, exactly. It's a lot of pressure.
B
Holy crap. And that sounds expensive too.
A
Yeah, it is expensive.
B
Cuz you got to like, I don't know, blow up stuff or do whatever.
A
Yeah, I mean, low key. I probably spend more a month that I make a month off streaming. Like it really cost me so much money. Probably. Yeah.
B
Holy shit.
A
Yeah.
B
I thought you were making money.
A
I mean, I really. I spend so much money.
B
What's the most you've spent on a stream?
A
Like fucking 200k.
B
What were you doing?
A
Maybe 3, 400k. That was when I Had little baby on my birthday party.
B
Oh.
A
I had a company sponsor it, but like they technically spent 400k, but they was like 200 for lil baby. And they put another 200 into like the whole like, party, you know.
B
Wow.
A
But yeah.
B
So that was your birthday party?
A
Yeah.
B
So you streamed him just performing?
A
Basically, yeah.
B
And was it a. You think that was worth it or.
A
Yeah, it was honestly a lot cooler. Like before, like that, like. Like on my actual birthday, like four days before the party, like, he invited me to the studio and we just hung out like literally all night long. And like that was like the best night of my life. Cuz I love Lil Baby. Like he. I look up to him and like, I just listen to all of his music, like every day, all day. And it just makes me like so motivated and shit. So when I finally met him, like, everyone knows, like all my fans know I love Lil baby.
B
Yeah.
A
But I finally met him, it was like the best day ever.
B
He's got some bangers.
A
Yeah.
B
Did you film in the studio with him?
A
We got some clips and stuff, but it was like all unreleased music, so. Okay, I gotta wait to like post it. It was fire. It was the best night of my life.
B
You might have to pay for a feature, bro.
A
I. I'm down. You can hit on that company again.
B
I'd be legendary.
A
Yeah. For real.
B
Well, Jack, it's been fun, man. I hope you have a good time in Vegas. Where can people keep up with you, man?
A
Hey, thank you, man. I appreciate you.
B
Yeah, for sure. What's the best way party.
A
Yes, sir. Party.com.
B
Awesome. We'll link it below. Thanks for watching, guys. Peace.
A
S.
Digital Social Hour: The $1M OnlyFans Secret: 18-Year-Old's Empire Revealed | Jack Doherty DSH #927
Release Date: November 27, 2024
In episode #927 of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly sits down with Jack Doherty, an 18-year-old entrepreneur who has rapidly built a million-dollar empire through his OnlyFans agency. The conversation explores Jack's journey from a young streamer inspired by YouTubers like Logan Paul to a successful business owner managing multiple OnlyFans creators. This detailed summary captures the essence of their discussion, highlighting key topics, notable quotes, and valuable insights shared by Jack.
Jack opens the discussion by sharing a lighthearted anecdote about his recent spontaneous Vegas wedding. Despite the youthful impulsiveness, he clarifies the nature of the ceremony:
Jack [00:59]: “It was like a Vegas wedding. It's like a certificate. It’s not like a actual marriage thing.”
He emphasizes that the event was more about the experience than a serious commitment, reflecting his focus on enjoying life while managing his burgeoning business.
Jack credits his early interest in business and online presence to influencers like Logan Paul. Starting his entrepreneurial journey in his early teens, Jack began making significant income through online platforms:
Jack [01:45]: “That's when I pretty much started making good money when I was like, 13, 14, 15.”
His fascination with viral content and streaming laid the foundation for his current success, demonstrating the impact of early exposure to digital entrepreneurship.
Jack delves into his streaming career, discussing his transition from Kick to a new platform, party.com, after facing a ban:
Jack [03:41]: “Yeah, so I got banned on Kick and then like two weeks later, I signed a deal with like, party.com, which is pretty similar to Kick.”
He elaborates on his strategy to support the growth of party.com, aiming to leverage his influence to build a new streaming community. Jack emphasizes the importance of maintaining a positive narrative despite the challenges:
Jack [05:56]: “I have to use all the engagement I have to push a more positive narrative of myself and just do better things.”
A significant and somber part of the conversation revolves around Jack's live-streamed car accident. Driving a McLaren, he experienced a crash at 39 mph due to hydroplaning in the rain:
Jack [09:31]: “I crashed at like 39 miles per hour. That's what it said on the dash. Which isn't bad.”
This incident served as a wake-up call about the dangers of live-streaming every aspect of one's life. Reflecting on the crash, Jack shares how it humbled him and reinforced the importance of safety over streaming content:
Jack [35:35]: “Sometimes you seem to take a step back and I think getting banned on Kick was like the biggest blessing in disguise.”
Jack provides an in-depth look into his OnlyFans agency, explaining his hands-on approach to managing and promoting models:
Jack [29:31]: “Right now I have like six, seven, but I keep it small and just focus on making everyone as big as possible.”
He distinguishes his model from other agencies by actively working to boost his clients' profiles and ensure their success, rather than merely managing their accounts.
Despite his substantial earnings, Jack maintains a frugal lifestyle, emphasizing smart financial management:
Jack [27:08]: “I just have to keep going on everything and keep the momentum going.”
His early experiences with stock trading taught him the value of saving and investing wisely, which continues to influence his financial decisions today.
Managing a large team is crucial to Jack's business operations. He discusses the importance of clear roles and responsibilities to maintain efficiency:
Jack [15:48]: “I have a huge team, but I have to make sure everyone knows what their job is and what they got to do.”
Jack highlights the challenges of scaling his team while ensuring that each member contributes effectively to the agency's growth.
Jack candidly addresses the pressures of maintaining a relentless streaming schedule and managing his business, which has led to feelings of burnout:
Jack [32:44]: “I just want to have more time for myself and like my family and friends.”
He expresses a desire to achieve a better work-life balance, recognizing the toll that constant streaming and business management can take on his mental health.
Throughout the episode, Jack shares several impactful statements that encapsulate his experiences and mindset:
On Vegas Wedding:
Jack [00:59]: “It was like a Vegas wedding. It's like a certificate. It’s not like a actual marriage thing.”
On Early Success:
Jack [01:45]: “That's when I pretty much started making good money when I was like, 13, 14, 15.”
On Positive Narrative:
Jack [05:56]: “I have to use all the engagement I have to push a more positive narrative of myself and just do better things.”
On the Crash:
Jack [09:31]: “I crashed at like 39 miles per hour. That's what it said on the dash. Which isn't bad.”
On OnlyFans Agency:
Jack [29:31]: “Right now I have like six, seven, but I keep it small and just focus on making everyone as big as possible.”
On Team Management:
Jack [15:48]: “I have a huge team, but I have to make sure everyone knows what their job is and what they got to do.”
On Burnout:
Jack [32:44]: “I just want to have more time for myself and like my family and friends.”
On Gratitude and Resilience:
Jack [34:30]: “I just try to like, just think like I'm grateful to be in the position I am today.”
The episode wraps up with Jack reflecting on his journey and the lessons he's learned. He underscores the importance of resilience, continuous learning, and maintaining a positive outlook despite the numerous challenges he faces:
Jack [34:30]: “I just try to like, just think like I'm grateful to be in the position I am today.”
Sean Kelly thanks Jack for sharing his experiences and insights, providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of what it takes to build and sustain a successful digital business from a young age.
This summary encapsulates the key discussions, insights, and personal stories shared by Jack Doherty, offering an engaging and informative overview for those who haven't tuned into the episode.