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The $20M Mistake NFL Teams Make: RB Alex Mattison Reveals All | Alex Mattison DSH #1014
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NFL running back Alex Mattison reveals the harsh $20M reality facing running backs in today's NFL. From contract negotiations to career-ending decisions, get an exclusive look into why running backs are facing unprecedented challenges in the modern game. 🏈
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Alex Madison
Yes.
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Alex Madison
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Unknown Host
It's like that.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, it's crazy.
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Unknown Host
No heads up.
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Alex Madison
No, I mean, it's. It's wild.
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Unknown Host
All right, guys, running back for the Raiders, Alex Madison. Thanks for coming on, man.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, appreciate it. Thank you for having me.
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Unknown Host
First Raiders I've had on the show.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Hey, I like that.
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Unknown Host
Gotta represent.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, I appreciate it.
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Unknown Host
How's the season going so far?
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Alex Madison
It's going. It's. It's going. It's. It's one of those seasons that's just, you know, a lot of adversity, but a lot of football left. So we're looking forward to the next opportunity. Just got to keep chipping away, keep. Keep grinding.
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Unknown Host
Absolutely, yeah. Has it big been a big change from the Vikings?
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Alex Madison
Yeah. I mean, the biggest change, of course, is the weather. It's like night and day, super hot. I love it. I'm from California, San Bernardino, California. So being back on the west coast feels amazing. Feels good. But, yeah, it's just a little different. Just different way that things are, you know, all the different teams around the league have different ways that they do things, different way that they have, you know, their lifts versus, you know, their scheduling, where it's like, here we practice earlier in the day than Minnesota was later in the day, so just little things like that that are different.
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Unknown Host
All right. You got to memorize all the plays, too.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, that too.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Luckily, the system that we're in now is a system that is like a combination of the systems that I've been a part of in Minnesota, so pretty familiar with, like, the different schemes and everything like that, so that's a good part.
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Unknown Host
Oh, nice. Yeah. So there were some similar plays and stuff.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah. Yeah.
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Alex Madison
The only difference is, like, some of the verb. But, I mean, there's some that's the same, and you listen to it and you're like, I wonder if that's the same as what it was.
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Unknown Host
Right.
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Alex Madison
And it is. And then there's sometimes where there's, like, a word and you think of what it was in Minnesota. Right. And, no, that word is a different play here. So, yeah, you just kind of got to learn how to disconnect them.
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Unknown Host
Have you ever played against a team where they found out your plays and they kind of knew you were. What you were about to do?
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Alex Madison
I've never. I've never known for a fact, but I've. I've lined up and they're like, okay, yeah, he's doing this. And I'm just like, how would they. Like, how do they know that? But, you know, it comes down to, like, being a football player. Comes down to prepping all week. They've probably seen when they line up in this formation and it's third and eight, they're either doing this or they're doing that. So, like, you get down to it. And that's what they do a lot of, like, coin flips when it comes down to formations and things like that.
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Unknown Host
That awareness. Right.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
So do you have to change the plays throughout the season? Like, the words, what you call them stuff?
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Alex Madison
Sometimes.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah. Yeah.
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Alex Madison
You get to a point where you either add in new stuff or you start to switch up your verbiage a little bit. I've seen that a lot with, like, snap counts.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Like, if you're lining up and you're like, we're going on this count, they know what that snap count is. So they start to jump the count. They start to, like, get a feel for it. So you have to switch it up all the time.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. Because I see the guys that get the most sacks, it almost seems like they know what's coming.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah. Yeah.
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Alex Madison
And I mean, it's funny because sometimes you'll have guys that line up and they, like, I don't know how guys do it because, like, I'M in a mode where I'm, like, thinking to myself about all the different things that I have to do, where I'm going, what my alignment is, what my aiming point, what the defense is doing. But there's guys that'll be on the side of the ball. They're lined up and they're just, like, talking mess and just like. Yeah, it's funny because, like, I'll be there and I'll. If I do a point. Oh, you're, you're not. That's a fake point. And I'm like, damn. Like, how you even.
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Unknown Host
You're locked in.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah. Yeah.
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Unknown Host
There's people trying to talk to you, right?
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Talk smack or whatever. Get in your head.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
You ever let the that happen?
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Alex Madison
I don't. It doesn't affect me. Yeah, it, it doesn't affect me. There was a time I remember Jamal Adams. He got mad at me because I had, I think, an explosive screen and he tried to make the tackle and I kind of broke his tackle, but ended up out of bounds. So when I got up, he was like, talking mess. And I honestly couldn't understand what he was saying. So I, like, looked at him and asked, I said, what? And he, like, tried to, like, you know, continue to talk mess. And I was just like. And just kept going. And I could tell he was, like, frustrated that I didn't talk back to him. But it's funny to me because, like, it doesn't faze me.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, well, some people use it to play better. They get, they like to get riled up, right?
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Like Michael Jordan type stuff.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, definitely. There's, there's some guys, I mean, there, there were some guys travathan playing against him when he was in Chicago. He's one of those guys, like all game long.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, he's just yapping out there.
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Alex Madison
Just yapping. Doesn't have any, it has nothing to do with you, maybe, but he's just yapping all game long.
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Unknown Host
Well, I, I, I hoop a bit.
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Unknown Host
Actually play better when people start talking.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah, yeah.
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Alex Madison
See, and sometimes it does, like, you know, it's like, okay, you want to. You want to talk? All right, let's do it. I, I, I get that feeling. Sometimes guys will do, like, extra stuff after the play where they kind of, like, land on you and give you a little, like, nudge. Yeah. And call you certain words, whatever. And it's like, like, all right, bet.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
So that's kind of what I do. I just tap into mode just like, all right, bet.
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Unknown Host
That must hurt, man, when you're at the bottom of a pile with eight dudes on you.
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Alex Madison
Oh, man, it's worse when there's, like, a defensive lineman. Those guys are 300 plus pounds, and they will purposely, like, dead weight on top of you because it, like, really just. It drains you when you get tackled. And they might not have even, like, hit you hard or anything, but if they, like, feel you under them, they'll just, like, drop their weight for as long as they can.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
See, this is the stuff people watching don't even realize.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, no, it's. It's horrible. It happened to me, like, twice last game.
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Unknown Host
Oh, man.
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Alex Madison
They're just, like, squeezed. They got a good grip on you, and they just kind of, like, lean up and just, like, let their dead weight fall until someone comes and, like, pushes them off.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, because they got to be helped up, right?
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Unknown Guest
Yeah, yeah.
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Unknown Host
And, yeah, because then next play, you're probably gassed.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah. Yeah.
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Alex Madison
But it's one of those things you got to tap in. Like, there's a difference between, like, being in shape and being in football shape, and that's what the difference is. Like, you got to be able to take hits, hit people and keep going. Next play. Next play. Next play.
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Unknown Host
Absolutely.
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Alex Madison
And you can't just, you know, run. You know, people can run laps all they want to and be in shape, be conditioned and all that, but there's, like, that extra different type of football conditioning when it comes down to, like, taking hits and getting a guy, four people laying on top of you, and then you got to get up and get on the ball and run again.
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Unknown Host
Right?
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
This is why injuries are so common.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah, yeah.
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Alex Madison
That fatigue sets in, and your body.
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Unknown Host
Just does what it does, especially your position.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
I feel like almost every starting running back is dealing with something.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
It's day in, day out. It's like, is, how does my hip feel? How does my ankle feel? How does my. It's just always something that she's like, week to week, just gotta get better, get better, get better.
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Unknown Host
It's got to be one of the most vulnerable positions, if I had to guess.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah. Yeah.
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Alex Madison
I feel like other than. Other than, like, the. Into the linemen, like, we get touched every play, really, like, for the majority of the part, we're like, 97% of the game, we're getting touched. Whether that's picking up a blitz, catching the ball at the backfield, or running the football, We're. We're having to deal with some contact.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. Damn. You must have a fearless mindset then. That's crazy to think about. 97% of the time you're getting touched up. Yeah.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
And that's why, like, for me, I, like, always try and, like, fight for a little bit. I tell people, you know, that the value of the running back position is a lot higher than it as. As it is. It's a lot higher than it actually is. Like, on paper right now, it's been devalued so much, but, I mean, you see guys like Saquon and, you know, even, you know, a great duo over in Detroit with David Montgomery and Gibbs, like, like bringing that value back to the running back position because there's more than just running the football, is running the ball, catching the ball, picking up blitzes. All of those things that we do on a, you know, every down basis, that's like. We're really, like, workhorses.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I grew up in Jersey, so as a Giants fan, losing Saquon was. Was tough.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Oh, that one hurt. He said he's a beast.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
No, they let him.
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Alex Madison
I thought he was gonna end up being, like, a lifetime same. Just go ahead and retire as a giant.
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Unknown Host
But that's rare these days.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah, it is.
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Alex Madison
But I mean, I mean, it worked out for him. He's doing a great job right now.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, I'm happy for him, but. Yeah, the business side of. Of the sports industry is tough. Right? Like, they'll just trade you if they want to make money or whatever. So.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, that's one thing I learned too. Just like, it's a business. It really is. Like, at the end of the day, whatever is the best move for a franchise, whatever the best move is for a coach, owner, a gm yeah, they look at those things and they make a decision. It's like that, you know, you could be, you know, having a loving conversation one day and then the next week they're shipping you away.
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Unknown Host
Damn. It's like that.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
It's crazy.
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Unknown Host
No heads up?
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Alex Madison
No, I mean it's, it's wild the way that, the way that my career, my career in Minnesota ended was pretty abrupt.
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Unknown Host
You had no heads up?
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Alex Madison
None at all.
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Unknown Host
Wow. And you were there for four years, right?
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Alex Madison
Five.
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Unknown Host
Five years. You were like one of the vets on that team.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah, yeah.
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Alex Madison
And I had another year of my deal and it just kind of, you know, they decided that they were going to go in a different direction.
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Unknown Host
Did they tell you a reason ever?
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Alex Madison
Not, not in, not to the depths of like really understanding what the reason was.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Kind of left me and my agent up in smokes. When it comes down to like figuring out what the pinpoint.
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Alex Madison
Point reason was but just one of those things that they just said, you know, they, they feel like they want to go in a different direction and it was like the least expected call that I got.
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Unknown Host
Damn.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
So that really hurt you at the time?
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Alex Madison
Oh yeah, yeah, it was, it was one of those ones. I mean, going into that off season, like I remember talking to my wife, like I'm grinding for more in Minnesota. Like I want to grind so that this next season coming up, we earn more years here. So like I can play as long as I can in Minnesota.
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Unknown Host
Right.
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Alex Madison
And we had just built a house and everything and had another year left and got a great workout in that morning and later that day, you know, got a call from a coach and we're chopping it up and then bam, drop bomb on me.
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Unknown Host
So the coach is the one that tells you.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah, yeah.
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Alex Madison
I mean, it depends. I know a lot of different situations. Sometimes like the agent contact you and get a hold of you before.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
But for the most part they do their due diligence and they, they do their respect and they talk to you man to man and just, you know, let you know what the situation is.
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Unknown Host
Damn, that's nuts.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. You thought your whole career was going to be there.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Or at least the majority of it.
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Unknown Host
Right. Because that was your final contract year, you said. Right.
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Alex Madison
Yeah. So I would have ended up. So this would have been the last year on that deal, then six years in, hopefully get some more time there. And then like, hey, maybe at eight years we figure out if we're gonna continue to be able to stay here or go somewhere else, whatever the case may be. But, yeah, I was thinking it was gonna. It was gonna be a beautiful little picture in Minnesota for a little bit longer, at least.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Damn.
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Unknown Host
Because the average career is pretty short, right?
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Unknown Guest
Yeah. Yeah.
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Alex Madison
It's crazy.
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Unknown Host
Like three or four years.
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Alex Madison
It. So it was. Well, I. I would probably say that it maybe is around there collectively, but, like, looking at it from like a running back standpoint, it's down to two and a half.
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Unknown Guest
Whoa. Yeah, Two and a half.
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Alex Madison
And I remember when I was a kid, it was like four. The average was like four years for running back. So you're like, okay, I'm gonna go play four plus if I can do it. And now they say the average for a running back is two and a half.
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Unknown Host
That's scary.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, it's wild.
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Unknown Host
That's scary because you're training your whole life for two and a half years, basically.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I was like, you know, my son, he will not play. He's going to be a receiver, db, quarterback, something else if he wants to play football. But yeah, running back position is like, man, right now it's rough.
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Unknown Host
What do you think caused it to go from four to two and a half? Do you think the competition just got too much?
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Alex Madison
I think it's. It has something to do with the competition. It has something to do with the way that the league has changed too, where you see like these super mega contracts with quarterbacks and receivers, right? So it's kind of like you have to have a star receiver, have to have a franchise quarterback, and then you kind of plug the pieces in around that. Then the tight ends are starting to, you know, their value is going up because bigger body, a nightmare for matchups. So you look at these three positions collectively and you start to figure out, okay, what can we do with this? Well, you either get like a secondary receiver, that's like a secondary star receiver. So now you have two star receivers, a star tight end and a franchise quarterback. And then you plug a piece in at running back, or you maybe invest in a top tier running back. But for the Most part, it's a little bit more of a running back by committee now where back in the day, you know, you had the workhorse back where it was like, you look at Jerome Bettis, you look at, you know, even a little further, you got Stephen Jackson, Marshawn lynch and Adrian Peterson and Jamal Charles. Like you look at those type of backs and, and that type of game and it's, there's some, there's guys that can do it right? There's, there's teams that can do it. But when you look at it from a standpoint of where the game's gone, you got the likes of Justin Jefferson and all these receivers that are top tier and people that are following up behind that. You're getting two or three very notable receivers per team now and the way that their demand is and the quarterback position with the franchise QB and how much you're going to pay it, you have to see the upside in that investment. So for me, I think it's just that the way the game has changed, it's kind of devalued the running back position a little bit just because the emphasis in these other position areas.
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Unknown Host
Right.
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Alex Madison
And you know, the running back by committee mentality, like you said, the competition has gotten a lot, I would say more leveled out where there's like a lot of top tier guys and there's a lot of guys that have to share the room. So you know, you go and you get two backs that are phenomenal. It's a win, win. One back is tired, the next back goes in and he's also doing great. So when, when you can kind of do that in a running back room, they can kind of spare because it's like we got to go spend money somewhere else.
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Unknown Host
Right?
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Alex Madison
You got DNS that are getting paid now, really big safety's corners that are, you know, also getting those big contracts. So yeah, just overall I think it's just the value of other positions kind of jumping up so quickly. You kind of have to suffer somewhere else.
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Unknown Host
I love how objective you are because you could be taking this personally, you know, but you're like, this is really like insightful information.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, yeah, no, definitely. I mean, for me it's hard to take things personal in, in such a business network like you. Once you get to the point where I'm at, where you understand like how much of a business it is, it's hard to take things personal. I mean there's some things that rub you the wrong way. But you know, you gotta look at it from the grand Scheme of things right now, it's not our time. A few years ago, running backs were, you know, had their stamp in the league and it's like, okay, pay, pay, pay. You know, we need to invest in this guy. We need this guy, we need that guy healthy. You know, it was one of those things where it was a time where all the backs were, man, you want to have that back? And now it's like, whoa, you know, do we want this back or do we want step on dick? You know.
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Unknown Host
So wait, the game's changed that much.
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Alex Madison
In a few years? Yeah, yeah.
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Unknown Host
Wow.
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Alex Madison
I remember my second year was in the backfield with Dalvin Cook and he resigned an extension with, with the Vikings, five year deal. And you know that, that was the time, you know, it was him. Nick Chubb, Derrick Henry, Christian McCaffrey, Alvin Kamara, all those guys were signing, I think Zeke, all those guys were signing extensions around the same time, big extensions. And that was like where the running back position I think hit that peak where big contracts, big long term extensions. And then after that you start to see some of the guys don't make it to the end of the deal because of the guys. Well, not even that. Just the way that it, it plays out. I mean, Dalvin Cook, elite player still to this day, just unfortunate. The way that the situation played out is he was slotted to make a certain amount of money. They didn't want to pay him that much money because either they couldn't because of the cap or they needed to spend money elsewhere. So, you know, we're going to have to, we're going to have to part ways. All his guaranteed money was up. It was a lot of different things where you look at the business aspect of it, but he's coming off of four years in a row, thousand yard season, four Pro Bowls in a row. I mean, since I've been there, I've seen nothing but elite out of him.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, that's what I've heard of.
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Alex Madison
You shake hands and say, hey, you know, we're going to have to cut our losses because.
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Unknown Host
So he didn't get the money.
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Alex Madison
No, I mean, well, he, he had all his guaranteed money. I think there might have been a little bit of guaranteed money left that they probably took a hit on. But for the most part, all of his guaranteed money was up on the front end. So, you know, they just cut him out of the last two years. And you know, it's one of those things.
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Unknown Guest
Wow.
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Alex Madison
Real, real business like, real business like.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, it's cutthroat huh?
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Unknown Guest
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Unknown Host
And the game changes so quick. And the NBA, it's all shooting now.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Like, even the bigs have to shoot, man.
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Alex Madison
I think. Who was I looking at that was pulling up? And I was like, why, Cat?
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Unknown Host
Yeah, he's pulling up like eight shots a game.
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Alex Madison
I was like, yo, is this like I thought he was. And I was like, I thought he was a big. And I was like, wait, no, he is a big. He's just pulling up from three point line. It's crazy.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, I mean, you gotta adapt. You probably had to change your game, right. Over the years.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah, yeah.
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Alex Madison
And that's. That's the name of the game, especially in like, professional sports is like the times change. Every, every now and then, like, you'll see like a big shift in the game. You'll be. You'll see just like, oh, whoa, hold on. This is, this is new. This is something that I, you know.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Haven't really seen much of, but now everyone's doing it. Everyone's doing it. So now you have to get good at that. When it came down to, for me, I would say, like, there was a time where the way that tackling was really, you know, back when I was in College, around 2017. So, yeah, 2017, 2018. Like, the big thing was like the Gator roll tackle, where they're grabbing guys, rapping and rolling. Then it kind of shifted and now you see guys just like trying to lunge and throw their bodies without really wrapping up. So now you have a different type of mentality where it's like, well, now I can break tackles a different type of way for me, giving away, I guess, a little bit of a secret, but like, the way some of the, some of the backers play it, some of the safeties play it, I know that they're going to come down and, you know, when they dip their arms, they go back. So a lot of times what I do is I'll initiate contact and spin out of tackles.
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Unknown Host
Oh, wow.
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Alex Madison
Because they can't get their arms to wrap before that contact breaks. So there's. There's little things like that that I paid attention to that I look at and, you know, helps your game.
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Unknown Host
That's super smart. So you're pretty. Like you're analyzing the way people are tackling you.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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Unknown Host
I didn't know you were like, researching that type of stuff.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, it's one of those things you look, you know, you watch enough tape, you look at some guys, you know, who likes to tackle low. So you Know, like, okay, this game is a hurdle opportunity game. You know, some of the guys that, you know, they come downhill. So what you can do with that is, you know, my momentum, I'm gonna use it against them. Or they think they won, but, you know, if I kind of like press the brake and hit a spin move or press the brake and use a stiff arm, like, they're out of control. So, yeah, it's a. It's a bunch of that, that I look at. I look at different tendencies, different things, and then even from a broad perspective of like, what's going on.
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Unknown Host
Right.
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Alex Madison
I noticed, you know, before the hip drop rule came in, I was like a big advocate for like, yo, like, how is it legal to tackle someone like that?
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Unknown Host
The hip drop, what's up?
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Alex Madison
It's. It's when you grab someone kind of like up top and you drop your hip to the ground and that's how you. That's how a defender would tackle a runner that's trying to run past them. They grab them, drop their hip to the ground, drop all their weight.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
And that is putting a runner at a position to suffer a lower leg injury. And I was a victim of that in college. Tore all the ligaments in my left ankle.
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Unknown Host
Damn.
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Alex Madison
In championship game, linebacker grabbed me and just dropped all his weight and got me good and tore all the ligaments my ankle. And so once I saw that happening and there was a couple guys last year that were out for the season after it, and so they're looking at, you know, okay, we gotta make a rule change because now guys are really just starting to tackle like that. You got a big 300 plus pound D lineman that just grabs you and drops all his weight. I mean, good luck. You're most likely gonna get injured. So for me, I learned how to protect myself against stuff like that. My pad level with just kind of like living to see another day. That is crazy.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, yeah. People don't even know this is going on in your head.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah, yeah, it's great.
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Alex Madison
I mean, like, if I see a big D lineman free, it's like, I'm gonna try and do what I can, but if he grabs a hold of me.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Just let my body weight go and, and relax and just like, we'll live to see another down.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, well, there's a lot on the line with, with you. Like, if you get a major injury like that could end your career.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
So that's scary, right? Yeah, it's a lot of pressure.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Especially at this point too. Like, you know, I'M six years in. I got to do what I can to stay healthy, make sure I'm out there on the field, make sure I get my chance, the best chance to keep going.
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Unknown Host
Just had a baby last month, right?
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Congrats.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Appreciate the first one.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, it's my second.
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Unknown Host
Second. Nice.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
So, yeah, it's beautiful. He's. Yeah, he's. He's given us a run for money. Everyone asked me, they're like, how are you? Getting good sleep? And I'm like, yeah, for the most part. For the most part. But, you know, babies are babies, you know, but it's amazing. He's healthy, and my daughter, she's 2, so we just got a nice perfect mixture right now.
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Unknown Host
Love it, man. I can't wait to have kids.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Getting married next year.
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Unknown Guest
Oh, yeah.
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Alex Madison
Congrats.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Okay.
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Unknown Host
We're seven years in, so.
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Alex Madison
Nice.
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Unknown Host
It's almost time for kids.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
That's beautiful. Yeah, that's beautiful. Were you high school sweethearts?
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Unknown Host
College.
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Alex Madison
College, yeah.
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Unknown Host
We went to college. I didn't know her in high school. It was a different town in Jersey.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Okay.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Hometown, though.
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Unknown Host
I grew up. Yeah. Pretty much.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
In Jersey.
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Alex Madison
That's dope.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Me and my wife, who we high school.
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Unknown Host
Oh, nice.
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Alex Madison
School together and.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, that's irreplaceable, man.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
I've learned that with my relationship because I see all my single friends struggling right now, but this girl's been with me from rock bottom, man. Same with you.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
My rock.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
We just hit 10 years a couple weeks ago.
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Unknown Host
Congrats.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Appreciate.
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Unknown Host
That's rare these days, man.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah, it is.
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Alex Madison
That's why, you know, I'm. I'm glad that she's here with me by my side through all the journeys she's seen. I mean, she was here before the first offer rolled in, so.
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Unknown Host
Wow.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
So beautiful. It is. What. What do you think? How do you think you've been able to make that work out? Being a professional athlete and balancing that?
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Alex Madison
I mean, it really comes down to priorities. Comes down to how are you going to balance this life with trying to be the best husband, father, best friend, provider? It's. It's hard.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. It's hard because you travel a lot.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah. Yeah.
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Alex Madison
It's hard because the. The schedule, the way the schedule is, the way that you have to. Like, I. I do. I mean, a lot of people are different. I do a lot of taking care of my body. So, like, I know that part's also hard because, like, in season, even after practice, right. Like, I might be home and then I gotta a recovery session where I got to go get acupuncture. I got to go do this. And so that part I know is hard, like on a spouse, because it's like season is just like going, going, going, going. And we just really get an off day.
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Unknown Host
Right.
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Alex Madison
To be with our family. And even on my off day, I'm doing like boxing in the morning.
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Unknown Host
Wow.
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Alex Madison
Then I'm doing like anything like, like great opportunity like this to come sit down with you and talk. Then later in the evening, I'm going to do another like acupuncture soft tissue massage session. So it's also just one of those things where like, I just love and appreciate and respect her patients. And especially dealing with, with the toddler and a newborn right now is definitely hard.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
I told her. I was like, yeah, we gotta stop with the season babies. Because it's definitely one of those, one of those times of the year where it's just like full fledged chaos.
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Unknown Host
Right?
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
You're probably working 80 hours a week.
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Alex Madison
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
You know?
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
I gotta try out some acupuncture. You're making me want to try it.
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Alex Madison
It's good.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, it's good. I was scared of it, but.
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Alex Madison
Have you ever done needles?
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Unknown Host
No.
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Alex Madison
It's. It'll change your life.
- [28:25]
Unknown Host
Really?
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
It's that effective?
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Unknown Guest
Yeah. Yeah.
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Alex Madison
I mean, you gotta have the right person. Shout out to Hillary out in Minnesota. She is phenomenal.
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Unknown Host
Oh, you go all the way there for it.
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Alex Madison
No, I. So when I was there, you know, I was there for five years, I was able to just, you know, have that relationship. Got acupuncture twice a week, maybe more if I, if I was like really banged up from the game.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
But I've been able to. Now we have, you know, such great relationship where she can make trips and in between the Viking schedule and our schedule, she makes it work where, you know, she's not working, she can come out and I can get my body right.
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Unknown Host
That's cool, man.
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Alex Madison
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
So you got a spiritual side to you.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah, Yeah.
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Alex Madison
I gotta, I gotta make sure I'm right.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. Cause acupuncture is like on the more spiritual side of things. Right?
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
And she does, she does a good mixture of like sports accu. So it's, it's a blend of. Not just like the ancient technique of acupuncture where they kind of just like hit trigger points.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
But really a little bit deeper with the muscle tissue and breaking down your fascia using like the tens stem unit. And fire cupping and using a little bit of that, that, you know, soft tissue, manual therapy as well. So a big mix of just like getting in there and making sure that everything's working and flowing. Great.
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Unknown Host
Wow. Love it, man. You're gonna be playing into your 30s, I think.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, I'm. Look, I'm, I'm trying to make it as long as I can. I'm trying to. I feel good now. You know, having a great season.
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Unknown Host
Three touchdowns already, right?
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
What's the most you've had in an NFL season?
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Alex Madison
That is a great question.
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Unknown Host
I'm surprised you don't know.
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Alex Madison
I think five.
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Unknown Host
Okay. So you might, you might beat that this year, man.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah. Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Let's go.
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Alex Madison
I think I have. Yeah, you said three and one receiving. So if I can just continue to just wherever, whether it's in the air, whether it's on the ground, just continue to stack those, put points on the board. That's one of the great feelings is, you know, helping your team to a victory, helping your team score. So. Yeah, I look forward to that every.
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Unknown Host
Time I touch the ball. Four already. Wow. Yeah. You're definitely going to beat it.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, I'm trying to.
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Unknown Host
You might even hit 10.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Hopefully double digits. Yeah, double digits. I need that.
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Unknown Host
That doesn't happen often for running backs, right?
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Alex Madison
No, no, it's definitely one of those things that like you look at like a thousand yard season and double digit.
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Unknown Host
Touchdowns, like, that's Adrian Peterson status.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
That dude was a machine.
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Alex Madison
Living.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Fantasy. Oh, my God. I was chilling. I knew I would win.
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Alex Madison
No, he's, he's. Oh, man, he's awesome. He, he was one of my inspirations.
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Unknown Host
Oh, yeah.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
I feel that it was pretty crazy because I got to play against him. No, my rookie year when he went to. He was in Washington.
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Unknown Host
I remember that.
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Alex Madison
And we played them and I had a good game and it was funny. It was just like crazy. I remember it was like a scene in a movie. I'm walking and then like the circle kind of opens up and he's standing there and he's like, hey, man, look running out there like beast mode 2.0. And I was just like, yo, this is Adrian Peterson right now. And like he just shows so much love and respect and yeah, man, it was, it was crazy. I have, I have a great picture and I love it. I got it framed.
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Unknown Host
And did you do a jersey swap?
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Alex Madison
No, I still need to get his jersey. Actually, he, we ended up connecting because he ended up in Detroit. I don't. I think it was the next year and we connected and he's like, yeah, man, I'm going to get you a jersey. So I got to call him, I got to hit him up. He, he said, he, he said he'll give me a jersey. And I, I saw him actually last year and he's like, I ain't forgot about you. So I think it's still on his mind a little bit. Make sure I get one of those.
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Unknown Host
I, he was still nice on Washington.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
That's the crazy part because he was late 30s that year.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
In age for a running back, that's pretty old.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
No, he, he's definitely one of a kind. And I think, I don't know what, I don't know what it comes down to when it comes down to, like if, like I said, it's a business. You never know when a back looks good. And it's like, well, why isn't he still playing? I mean, there's a business to things. Like there's probably a minimum that you have to pay a guy like that to come be a part of your team and play. And you know, if we can go get a 21 year old, pay him.
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Unknown Host
A fifth of the price, fourth round.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Then, you know, they start to kind of juggle those decisions.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. Because when you get drafted, that's not guaranteed money, right?
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Alex Madison
No, no, you still have to make the team and everything, but you are on a, on a deal. So like when you get drafted, you're on a four year deal.
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Unknown Host
Oh, four years right off the rip.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Wow, that's a pretty long contract for a rookie.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah, yeah.
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Alex Madison
Which is like, for us. You know, I look at it from a standpoint of being in it for a while now and I think that it should be shorter. I think like that's where we're going with trying to make that agreement with the NFL. And the NFL PA is trying to get those years shorter because I mean, like I said, running back average now is two and a half years.
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Unknown Host
Right.
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Alex Madison
So I'm signing a four year contract. The average for me to stay in this league is two and a half. Like it's not really making sense. And then there's guys that outplay, you know, their contracts. There's guys that'll come in and the first two years are balling Pro Bowlers.
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Unknown Host
Right.
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Alex Madison
But you're locked into a deal for another two years.
- [33:42]
Unknown Host
Damn.
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Alex Madison
You know.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. So it should be one or two years, right?
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Alex Madison
Yeah, it should be. I mean, at least I would say two to three. I get the business standpoint from owners from teams and organizations, like, it can't. It can't be that. That quick to get to a second contract. But I do think, like, you know, you make it three versus four, that's giving guys a better chance of, you know, doing what they. What they've always wanted to do. Set their family up for life and play. Play ball at a high level and also be compensated for it, because you.
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Unknown Host
Also probably see really talented people, but just the wrong team for them.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah, definitely.
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Alex Madison
That happens a lot.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. Which sucks, because they know they're good enough, but just the wrong system or the wrong team or the wrong coach.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
And then you see them go somewhere else and they flourish.
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Unknown Host
Right.
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Alex Madison
And, you know, they. They might have been with another team for, like, three years and end up in another situation. They're doing amazing. So it's one of those things, like I said, it's just.
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Unknown Host
Oh, it's a lot of moving parts.
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Alex Madison
It's a lot of moving parts.
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Unknown Host
Has that ever happened to you, whether it was, like, high school, college, or pro or the coach you didn't agree with?
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Alex Madison
Luckily, no.
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Unknown Host
Wow.
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Alex Madison
I've been blessed. I have never been a part of a situation where it didn't fit me or I disagreed heavily. I mean, there's probably times in a game, of course, where I'm like, yo, like, we should have done something else. I feel like everybody experienced that, but.
- [35:12]
Unknown Host
Marshawn lynch experienced that. Yeah, exactly.
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Alex Madison
But I've never been in a situation where it was like, I need to get out of here.
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Unknown Host
That's good. Yeah, that's good.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Luckily.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. Because you can't really control that in the NFL, right.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
I feel like the NBA, if you're a star player, you have some control maybe, probably of where you get traded to, but.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
And I've seen, you know, from. From. From my perspective how crazy it is that, like, the way that some guys can, like, hey, we want to team up and go to this team.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
And they'll make it happen.
- [35:41]
Unknown Host
Really?
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
I think the whole, like, Katie, Kyrie, and Harden.
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Unknown Host
Oh, yeah.
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Alex Madison
I feel. Well, I don't know, from my perspective, I. It felt like they, like, planned to all go there.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
I think. I think that's.
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Unknown Host
You're saying Blake.
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Alex Madison
Blake Griffin was there at the time, too, right? Yeah, like, crazy stacked. But it didn't work out.
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Unknown Host
Didn't work out.
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Alex Madison
It's too much star power or something. I don't know. Like, it didn't work out, but, yeah, it's like. It's crazy to see. I think those guys really. I mean, it's a smaller population.
- [36:09]
Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
And, you know, when you're just that guy, of course, you can just kind of make some shots.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. Does that happen in the NFL where a team just has so many stars in Thailand and they don't win?
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Alex Madison
I. I think so. Trying to think of some teams for. For sure. But I mean, it definitely happens where they have the right guys, they have all the pieces, but they just don't pan out.
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Unknown Host
No chemistry yet. Right.
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Alex Madison
It's. I think it's a lot to do with the chemistry. You have to have good play calling as well. So, you know, if a coach is not a defensive coach or an offensive coach, whatever the case may be, there's. You can be a great team. You can even like, dominate. But I always see those teams that don't have everything so much together, just have stars. They don't make it past first round playoffs.
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Unknown Host
Really. So you need everything. You need coaching, you need good gm.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
Chemistry. The small. The small things.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, you need.
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Alex Madison
You need some of those detailed pieces in between to get further. Because you can have a great season. You can have, you know, a lot of star power, a lot of guys that are Pro Bowlers and all that. But it comes down, I. I tell you, playoff football is a different type of football. It comes down to like, the small things then.
- [37:40]
Unknown Host
Absolutely. And the Chiefs have crushed that. Right?
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
And. And they do it. I mean, they do it without, really. Without like a lot of star power.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, just Travis and Mahomes because. Yeah. They got rid of Tyreek, right?
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
I mean, they have good. They have some good guys, but they don't ever have, like, stacked receiving room, stacked DBs. There's not really ever a situation where they're like, super stacked. There's like a couple key star pieces, and I think they just do the details really well.
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Unknown Host
Right. That's a good point. They're like the spurs of the NFL.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
You know.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, exactly.
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Unknown Host
Wow. Yeah, that's good to know.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
But it's. I mean, it's. It's one of those things, you know, you. You see it from afar. You got to respect and you got to understand, like, what you have to do to beat a team like that.
- [38:32]
Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
So, yeah, it's. It's one of those things that if you love the game, you. You respect stuff like that when you see it.
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Unknown Host
Absolutely. Have you played against them yet in the playoffs?
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Alex Madison
Not in the playoffs. Regular season, though.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
And you could tell they were a well Oiled machine.
- [38:48]
Alex Madison
Yeah.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Alex Madison
It's just like, why. Sometimes you're just like, why? Why did they just. How did that happen? Why did that happen?
- [38:55]
Unknown Host
They blew you out?
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Alex Madison
No, I. No, no, I've never. It's never been a blowout, but tight games or maybe you're up a couple scores and then all of a sudden it's like, yo, what? Like, they're winning. I could have swore we were up and.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah, it's.
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Alex Madison
It. It'll probably come down to the wire. I think they've been in nail biters, like, all. All season this year too.
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Unknown Host
A lot of their games are close.
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Alex Madison
Yeah. And look at them.
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Unknown Guest
They.
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Alex Madison
They find a way to come out on top with the little things. So, like, you gotta try and. You gotta try and like, beat a team like that from the gate, like out the jump. You gotta just tear them down, tear their. Their mental. I mean, it starts up top. You tear their mentality down and then execute. Minimize all the different, like, penalties and all those things. Turnovers. You can have those. So, yeah, it's. I'm excited to play them.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. I can't wait to see that game, man.
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Unknown Guest
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Well, dude, what's next for you and where can people keep up with you?
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Alex Madison
Yeah, for me, I mean, we're doing a lot of good stuff. We're doing a lot of good stuff in the community with my foundation. I am gifted foundation. So, you know, besides football, you know, I have a big passion for using that platform and using everything that I'm blessed to have to help others, serve others and give back and spread love and positivity in the world. And, you know, we just. Through. Through everything that we do, we try and just continue to bring home that message and. And bring about mental health awareness. Make sure that everyone knows that they have a gift within. They just have to find it, embrace it, and use it to shed light in the world.
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Unknown Host
I love that, man. Let me know the next event for the foundation. I'll be there.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, most definitely. Yeah, we'll be. Actually, the next event, we will be at the Sunrise Children's Hospital doing a little scavenger hunt. I love it with the kids and trying to put some smiles on their faces.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, I'll definitely be there. And we'll link it below if anyone wants to donate. Thanks for coming on, man.
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Alex Madison
Yeah, most definitely. I appreciate it.
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Unknown Host
Thanks for watching, guys. Check out the links in the description. See you next time.
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