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The $250K Secret: How UFC Stars Build Digital Empires | MMA Awards DSH #983
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🥊 Discover the $250K secret behind how UFC stars are building massive digital empires! Get exclusive insights from fighters, coaches, and industry insiders on their journey from the octagon to online success.
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It's an honor to be fought by a hundred little people. He'd be mad at us. He's a big man and I don't want to get in trouble. He's not that big. He has hair loss too. Damn. Shots fire. I love that. Shots fire. I'm going to get straight to the point, Rob, because I've been looking for years. You founded an MMA league, is that correct? No, not an MMA league, no, a media company. So we started as a magazine publisher and we got into digital and social. We had a clothing range with Tap out, and now we're here with the only industry event of its kind, the World Mixed Martial Arts Range. Would you be interested in making the first magazine solely for little people? No, because I wouldn't print magazines anymore. That's why we don't. Only because of the fact it's a challenging business at the moment, for sure. The magazines are dying, right? Well, it's not that they're dying, it's just everything that goes around. Magazines, like the distribution networks and the wholesalers, it's highly, highly challenging. So, no, I wouldn't like to produce a magazine again at the moment. Who's the greatest person you've ever had on the COVID of one of your magazines? Oh, I really couldn't answer that. We've had all the stars of the sport. Who's your favorite? My favorite fighter or favorite individual or what? I don't know. I always loved Mirko CRO Cop, Vandalier Silva, Dan Henderson, all the guys that used to stand up and really Bang. That's what I used to really love. There you go. Thank you so much. I love your. I love your tattoo, though. I tripped out. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Enjoy the show. All right. Have a good one, man. Yeah. Let's go, brother. What's up? What's up? What's good? How you doing? How you doing? Nothing, man. What's up, fellas? How y'all doing? How you doing? I'm afraid to go close to you because I heard you kind of hurt right now. Got the bare knuckle, Chab. Who wins in a bare knuckle fight, you or Bryce Hall? Speaking of Bryce Hall, I want to. Hey, if he beats Kimball, if Bryce hall beats Kimmel, Slice Jr, that's who I want to fight next. All right. You know what I mean? But. And who wins? Me, of course. What's your record right now? Shit, I think I'm eight and. Eight and five. Fair enough. All right, maybe eight and five. You know what I mean? Yeah, I can't really keep counting, man. I got so many bare knuckle fights. I've done this. I've done this since 2019, man. I was the first one to go over the pond to England. I beat a dude 170 from Ireland, man. Took the belt on my debut fight. What? Yeah, man. So huge upset. Yeah, let's go. So, you know, but you know, like, bkfc, man, that's my home right now. And I'm just trying, you know, get that belt. So looking forward in the new, you know, the new year, I'll be coming for that belt. You get that belt. Has the belt right now in my weight class. He's a tough fighter, man. You know, I just. I can't wait to put myself to that test. Let's do it, bro. You get that belt, you're going to make your way to the ufc. Hey, man, of course, like, MMA is my passion. I would love to fight ufc. Dana White. Give me a shot, man. I'll fight whoever the fuck you put in front of me. You know, put him at my weight class, 155 or 170, man. Like, I'm there. Let's get it. You know what I mean? Who's the greatest UFC fighter of all time? The greatest UFC fighter of all time is Jon Jones. Let's go. Right answer. Yeah, of course. This guy knows it's good. The fucking. The greatest madman is Conor McGregor. Oh, yeah, I like Conor, man. Greatest shit talker of all time, for sure. Fuck, yeah. But no, Conor's a good dude, man. He's part of us now, too. Have you been in more street fights or more bare knuckle fights? I've been in more bare knuckle fights. Any street fights? I've been in street fights. All right. What's your record in street fights? Definitely. Probably. I would say undefeated, bro. Damn. All right, undefeated, man. But what is this street fight? Man? That ain't. That ain't really testing yourself, man. So. Yeah, that's too easy for you. That's easy. I'd rather go against somebody who's like, training for me, man. I feel that, man. I mean, street street fights don't last long, man. Don't do nothing but get your ass in trouble. So facts, where can people find you? Hey, you can find me on Instagra. Julian Lane, mma. You can find me on Twitter or x. Julian Julian Lane, mma. Boom. Thanks for coming on, brother. That was fun. Yeah, appreciate it. Hell yeah. I'll send that to Bryce. Yeah, man, thanks. Yeah, tell Bryce, man, I'll fight him, man. You know Bryce? Yeah, yeah, he's been on my pod. He lives in Vegas. He's just got. He's fighting that fight, man. I got the most fights, man. If you're like me, you're looking for an edge for sports betting. 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I'm the guy that has stepped in against anybody, you know what I mean? I never turned down a fight, man. Hey, nice meeting you, man. Hey, thanks, man. I know that you're a doctor on a show. If you saw a UFC fighter get knocked out, do you think you would know a couple moves to get him back? To get him back? Probably not. They'd be screwed. Do you think? Yeah, I would believe in you. I've seen your moves on the show. You know, I mean, I still don't remember any medical terms from the show after doing it for seven years. Yeah. Has the show ever helped you in the real world in terms of saving someone's life or even just helping them? No. You know, I mean, the only thing is done is validate my career with my. With my parents because they wanted me to be a doctor ever since I was young and Dad, I wasn't smart enough to get into med school, but, you know, it eventually became full circle when I became a doctor on tv. So with you being here, do you have a favorite fighter or, like, who is your great ultimate fighter of all time? Oh, Ultimate Fighter of all time. Gosh, there's so many. But, I mean, Georges St. Pierre was one of them. On top of the list right there. But I'm a huge fan of Zhang Weili and I mean, there's truly too many. I remember watching the very first UFC and hoist. Gracie will always be my standout. I love it. I love it. Who is one fighter you think you would win in the Octagon again? Probably. There's not a single us. They're talking about creating a dwarf MMA league. So would you watch that? Are you guys fighting? We could. If you guys fight, I'll be there. I'm a lover. Love it. I'm a lover. You guys practice? Do you guys practice? We don't, but we're gonna start training. Do you practice? I do, I do. What do you do? Jiu jitsu. I've done taekwondo my whole life, but Jiu jitsu has been kind of my obsession for the last year and a half. I feel like it's a very hard working sport and very mental, right at the end of the day it is. And it's very addicting because it feels like, you know, the closest thing to human chess. That's healthy though, at the end of the day. That's a good way to put it. Well, you got 20 something year olds trying to rip off my neck, but, you know, other than that, it's fun. That's a little scary. Well, it was nice meeting you. Nice meeting you. Very nice meeting. I have one more half, if you don't mind. Yeah, I showed up. My other half. Okay. Yeah, no problem. Who wins in a fight, you or these two? I like my chances, but I'm not gonna give any slaps to y'all. I actually think y'all, you know, I like my chances big time against anybody on the plane. I think if we take you out down low, you know, you're done. Legs, I don't know. I spot a lot, so I don't. How many of us do you think you could squat? How much are you working? 95 and 115. So about on average as well. Right. At two and a half times. You want to squat me right now or. I don't really want to hurt the Blaze. I don't want to mess with. Yeah, okay. Okay. Who is one fighter in the UFC who you really want to fight, who you haven't fought yet? Well, he goes by the name of Bo Nickel. The guy I really want, and if times do, it will happen. But that's the guy I want to fight. And why hasn't he accepted a fight for New York? Well, for myself. I just got a new UFC myself, so, you know, that's just a fight down the line. No slouch for him. I just think we match up really well and I like the opportunity. Why do you feel so confident against Bo, Nick? I think I'm a really good wrestler myself and I think maybe sometimes some people might sleep on my wrestling, but I just think I got the skill set to beat him and continue to elevate. I wish I could elevate in height. I agree. I'm the same way. We'll end off with this. Who's the goat of the ufc? My goat personally is Jon Jones. I do think he is the goat, obviously, along with other allegations and things along with that nature. But I definitely think he is the greatest of all time. So he's done it all. Look at all the champion he's beaten. Yes, sir, I definitely think he is. All right, check him out, guys. Sean, great to meet you, sir. You are one of us. Like a few inches off. You're 100% correct. So where are you from? I'm from Ireland originally. Wow. From Las Vegas, 31 years. Have you ever split the G? You don't like the G? That's my daughter. My daughter right there. I don't know, like split the Guinness. Guinness? It depends. With the whiskey as well. Oh, yeah. He knows what he's talking about. Let's go. He knows what he's talking. I'm half Irish. I've been to Ireland. You have been? Yeah. Been to Belfast? No, I went to Dublin. All right, yeah. Who's your favorite Irish fighter? Oh, there's only one that I know. McGregor. How do you feel about Paddy? No, that's fine. He's a great fighter. You know, I think he won a belt. Looking for a pickup truck to get just about anything done, look no further. The Chevy Silverado EV isn't just the most powerful Silverado ever with next level towing capability and technology. It also offers game changing versatility with the available multiflex midgate and tailgate. Which means Silverado EV helps you carry large, bulky and oddly shaped items up to nearly 11ft in length. Chevrolet together. Let's drive. Visit Chevrolet.com to learn more. I can see it. Just gotta keep his weight. Yeah, I've seen him get really big. I'd like to learn a shape like that. You can't go out of shape. You gotta keep yourself intended. Well, it's hard in Ireland where you can literally, it's appropriate to have bruise every hour of the day. Good old Irish breakfast right at the bar. I. I might head over there in March and become a leprechaun. If that's okay with you. Leprechauns, they don't believe me, but I said I could take you to a leprechaun hill. Are you able to bring us to the leprechaun hills? Let's go. Oh, we look great and just hide and pop out. Are there a lot of rainbows over there? Rainbows? They kill people. I'm a leprechaun. Real Irish. Leprechaun. Got the accent as well. If we arrive, you won't be a leprechaun. You'll no, you can't come over there. You gotta stay here. Thank you, sir. I love it. Thanks, man. How are you, Sammy? Hey, Sammy. What's going on? Nice to meet you. So Sammy and I are huge fans. Yeah. Right on. Cool. Thanks, man. I appreciate that. What was the best part about filming and the worst part? So the best part is the cast, the family that you make personalities, so many different people. The worst part would be. So Sammy wants to get on the show. What's the role you think would be best for him? Stall cleaner? No, I think he would work with Gator. I think he would be in the kitchen. Little Chef. Making it up. Okay. Absolutely. I love that. He's one of my favorite characters on the show, and he needs someone to, like, play off of his energy. And he's also an enormous man, so I don't know. I think he would. That would be funny. Yeah. It'd be like David and Goliath cooking in the kitchen. That would be funny. These are the MMA awards. If you could fight any other cast member in real life for sport or pleasure, either one you choose. There's a couple of different answers. One of them is not to be spoken for fun. Yeah, I bet you do. For fun, I would like to fight Cole Howard. And how would that go? You know what? We wrestled a few times, as does everybody on set, and it's always pretty even. Is Cole as big and bad as he, like, shows? As rip as he is in person? He is as big and he's imposing and he's large, and you definitely don't want to mess with him, but he's a teddy bear. Yeah, Teddy bear at heart. Okay. So were you. Did you ride horses before the show? Yeah, I was lucky. I grew up riding horses, so I had a very stable foundation. Were you one of the only ones that, like, actually knew how to ride a horse? No. Probably half of us did, but everybody else got trained and worked their butts off every day and then got to the level. So everyone's, you know, competitive accident. You saw a lot of stuff on the. So we did a thing called cowboy poker. But we sit around in the arena, and the bowl does its thing, and they sit. So when the bull is getting real mad, they put the stunt actors in and they all sit there. And one time, Bo got into one of our stunt ladies and launched it, and just. It was catastrophic. And she took it, broke something, and came back to the next game. So are you an adrenaline junkie? Is this a normal thing for you to be on shows like this stuff like this, I prefer it. I'm high speed. I'd rather do that. And so what's next? Next is Lioness. Oh, it'll be Lioness. Another one of my favorite shows. Sure. Next year. So I'm very excited about that. And where can everybody find you? And what do you want to meet everybody? Hell, you can find me anywhere. What do I want? We're at the wrong event. Well, but all of the men are so disciplined that they have find inner. Inner peace. And I think I was telling Eden that that's. That's the disc. Most important part of the movie. Last question. Ian, one more. Who is your favorite fighter of all time? I would say Royce Gracie, because when I was a kid, he was like, the pioneer of the sport. He was your bad boy. Yeah, I'm quite a bit older than the fighter's normal age now. Back when it was just getting popular, this guy from Brazil was, like, doing it, and I'm like, who is this guy? What is he doing? He's wearing a gi and nobody else is, and so he's a stud. Well, Ian, it was a pleasure. It was my pleasure. Thank you so much. Very nice meeting. All right, we got War Ryan out here. How's it going, man? Good, man. Hell, yeah. Are you nominated for anything tonight? Oh, absolutely not, but there are some solid nominations coming through. Who do you think is going to win Fighter of the Year? You know, I always think the Stockton boys should win, but that's just me. Hell, yeah. You know, but they're not even nominated. But, you know, I think that's the MMA's world's loss. Have you competed in Power Slap before? Ooh, I have not. That hurts. That hurts my soul watching it. I don't know if I would do bare knuckle with glass in the wrist before I would do Power Slap. Damn. Really? Absolutely. 100%. How calm. I am deathly afraid of just getting pimp slapped for nothing. I mean, they're not making that much right now because it's so new. It's too new. Bare knuckle is amazing, but you watch these Power Slab guys, man, and I don't know. I just don't know what kind of households they grew up in. But respect to those guys, big time. I've seen some vicious knockouts of Power Slap. The knockouts I've seen on Power Slap are almost worse than ufc. My boy does Power slap, and he just got knocked out. When they went to Saudi Arabia and he got knocked out. That was his first loss, and it was the first slap just cold clocked him and he hit the. He hit the counter and walked back. And just watching that hurts me. I feel like whoever goes first has like a huge advantage, 100%, you know, and I don't understand the nuances of it, but all respect to everybody that even competes in that, my hat is 100% tipped for real. Aspinall and Jon Jones rumors. Who you got winning that fight? If it happens, I think Jon Jones gets. Gets stomped if that fight actually goes down. No way. Really? I think it happens at least in the second round. Wow, that's a hot take. That's a hot. Yeah, that's my take. He's undefeated, though. All respect to him, but I think he gets beaten the second round. That's why he wants 30 million to do the fight. Yeah, that's more than he normally gets, I'd assume. Yeah, I would hope so. Geez Louise. Well, what's next for you, my man? You know, there's some big stuff coming up next year and I got some big announcement going to come out in about April or May, so I'm looking forward to that announcement. Oh, yeah, Stay tuned. We'll link your social below. Let's go. Boom. Hey, coming off. Thank you, bro. All right. It's a little bit awkward right now because I'm not the fliest in the room. Yeah, I'm usually that guy. So I heard you're a fighter, right? Yes, yes. You could hurt somebody. Not with your knuckles, but with those. If it got wild, that's what I would do because my hands are valuable. I can only imagine a front kick to the face or a heel kick. Yeah, he'll kick. What do you want? Would you mind if I see how sharp they are? Yo, let's guess how much they cost. Whoever's closest wins. How much are they? Over, under? $1,500 under. $789 under. Wow. I'm going $450. 500. 450. Oh, yeah. How'd you guess that? That's crazy. No, I just knocked it out. You know damn well. Speaking of knocking out, who's one fighter who you haven't fought yet, who you really want to. Just great job. So I wrestled in college against Michael Chandler and I beat him pretty bad. And he's got a good wave. He's upperweight class, he's bigger than me, but he's got a good wave and he puts on an awesome fight. So that would be one that I would like to have. Well, we were just talking about front kicks. Have you seen that front kick? Of course. Are you scared of that? No. There's nothing in MMA that scared me. I was there in person, and it made me scared. I had nightmares. No doubt. Well, I can see that being a bad thing. That up kick can get a lot of people's throat. Is there any chance Mike Dole Chandler would say yes? No. Why not? The money ain't right. It ain't about the money. At the end of the day, at his level, it's about the pride. Yeah. Yeah. And he might be afraid that you're gonna work his ass. Man, them childhood dreams come to nightmares. Well, mine was. I wanted to make the NBA growing up, so mine was also quite the nightmare. I understand. As long as you got a dump shot, you can get somewhere. I don't have any shot. You're the granny shot. All right. Nice to meet you fellas. Yeah. Thanks for coming on. Yes, sir. Everything y. Yeah. Meme coins. That's how I made my money. Crypto. Really? Yeah. Oh, nice. Yeah. Nerding out on the meme coins. I caught NFTs at the right time and. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome, man. I sold my house, went all in in crypto. At the bottom, my crypto partner over there, we have a YouTube channel, Crypto Kings. Okay. If you want that alpha, you know, come check us out. And I've just grown my platform big on Twitter. Let's go do some influencing and stuff like that, but mainly trading, investing. I'm in the trenches, man. Did you get in on the Hock Tua coin? No, definitely not. You guys gotta learn, man. Do not buy celebrity coins. Most of these guys are getting approached by scammers, and it might not even be the hawk to a girl that's scamming, but the people that launched her coin are absolutely scamming. Don't do it. The only celebrity meme coin I've seen stick around is Iggy. Iggy's has done good because she embraced the culture, but still not that good. I mean, it did good. You can get some game. But, you know, Andrew Tate, obviously, but he's kind of in the crypto space, so. But if a random influence or a random, you know, celebrity wants to launch a meme point, it's probably gonna not be good. What's the highest multiple you've made off a meme coin? I've made a 14,000X. Damn. Yeah. That's insane. So you got in right when it launched on. Yeah, yeah, yep. Wrote it up all the way to half a billion mark. Let's go. Do you think it's predictable or do you have a formula for meme coins? We absolutely have a formula. If you watch the Crypto Kings livestream, if you subscribe to me on X, we give an exact formula of how we do meme coins. I'll give you a way better chance of winning and obviously is a. It is a luck of the draw and it's also a numbers game. So you do got to be in the trenches and but you gotta take the emotions out, man. We call it the laws of Meme coin. If you want to learn more, check that out. What are your price predictions for this bull run for bitcoin and Ethereum? Bitcoin, I see going to. I predict 169,000, but with everything so bullish it could go to 250. Damn. Ethereum 12,000 to 15,000 range salon at 900, 900 ripple ripple. I don't know, it's got like a 3, maybe 4x left. A lot of people are chasing that. That's retail. You're chasing that. I'm really bullish on pulse chain. Okay. It's a new blockchain. It's a layer one. It's a fork of Ethereum. It is the founders, Richard Hart. So he has that cult like hex community behind him and this thing is a cycle one layer one about to explode in my opinion. A lot of cool things happen in there actually. You could even interview my partner. He was the top 200 wallets in Shib. Wow. Yeah, that one took off. He's a. He's a multimillionaire. Well, guys, get ready for next year. Crypto is going to be huge in 2025. So we'll link his stuff below. Thanks for coming on. Absolutely. Oh, yeah. That's awesome, bro. Yeah. Trenches. Yeah, I'm in there. I'm on crypto Twitter every day. Yeah, me too. Hey, Sean, Nice to see you guys. You guys are tall. Wow. Let's go. So, Neil, I've seen you on a lot of Taylor shows lately. How is it on set working with him? It seems like a great guy. Taylor Sheridan is unbelievable what they do over there. David Glass is an incredible producer to go from Yellowstone, which is amazing. And the R is my. My wife but also my agent and manager convinced that I put you on Tulsa King. So thank you, honey. You on Tulsa King was incredible. That was so much fun watching coming out. Oh yeah. That ending for me was sad. There has to be another. Oh, no, no, we're not done yet. They're slowly like an Onion. They're unwrapped. They're making me cry. They get slowly unveiling my. Was that one of your favorite roles to ever play? Oh, yeah. I mean, I got to work with Sylvester Stallone every day. So Sly is one of those guys that cares so much about not just his work and how hard he works at it, but he loves his family so much and his family's all around. So Reve and I the same way. We always have our kids around whenever we do a production. So I love it. What do you think the secret is? Oh, go ahead. Well, I was going to say, but to have Sly play Sly alter ego mafia character invited to the Dance with Scorsese movies with it where co films. There he is. I'm going to create my own character with Taylor Sherry and I'm going to get a G. The best mafioso character. I think I love it. Was it actually filmed in Tulsa? No, we filmed in Atlanta. I love. We were filming our own movie called the Last Rodeo, which comes out in May in Tulsa. We near got the phone call to be on Tulsa King. We were like, we love Tulsa, which he loves. But no, it was still there. They took the whole Tulsa King hotel and everything. And Born to Atlanta is your favorite role. You say like the villain role. I feel like play that really well. No. Yes. I love playing the villain role, don't get me wrong. But I had to do it because I want intimate scenes. What am I going to do? I be the best bad guy they've ever made. And that was my design. But now that are producing our own movies, I get to write my character. So there's a string of good guys coming out with an edge. Speaking of bad guys though, we're at the ufc. Mma. Who is the baddest guy in the mma? The Rock. What an answer. I'm pretty. Are you just saying that cuz he's right here or. Or you mean that? Oh my gosh. No, that's funny. I love it, man. It was very nice meeting you guys today. Appreciate it. Thanks for coming on, guys. That was fun. Aw, so much. Yeah, you bet. So good to see you. Oh my God. What are the odds that we find somebody on the carpet who just isn't that funny? I mean. Zero. Cuz I'm here. You are the funniest person. What up? Nice to meet you, darling. How you doing? Good. You've been blowing up, man. I don't know. You're being crushed now. How did you even end up with your rule with the ufc? Oh, how did I end up. That's a long winded question. Should I hold? Are you squatting? Because I'm short. Yes. Reach the arm. Offensive. Let's see the long. The short version of the long story is that I got invited to an apex maybe three years ago. I showed up, I filmed some content. I was like, whatever. Whenever you guys have an opening, call me, I'll come back, I'll do whatever you guys want me to do. Then they have, like, an opening for International Fight Week. They were like, come through, shoot some content. See how it goes. We did really well. Impressive. Rest is history. The rest is history. You've been absolutely crushing it. How long have you been working with the usc? I'm sorry? I want to say a little over two years now. And you plan on probably being here forever? I'm gonna die here. Wow. I'm gonna die here. In the rink. Anywhere. Yeah. Have you ever decided to maybe hop in the Octagon yet or no. Have I decided to? Yeah. Would you ever fight? No, I can't. I just. Her nails are too long. The nails? You know, my lashes, my weaves. You've done hundreds of interviews now. Who's been your favorite fighter to interview? Oh, man. I mean, that's such a hard answer. Putting her on the spot, it's putting me on the spot. I mean, everyone. It's like, how can you pick? You and Strickland seem like best friends. He's my brother. I interviewed him once and he said, my owner is Snow White. I'm being a bit serious. Oh, he's funny now. Okay. I mean, that sounds like. I mean, that sounds like something Sean would say. It means he likes. Well, that's a compliment. The worst. The worse the insult, the more he likes you. I had to learn that very early. I love him because I know he won't. You know what's funny? UFC fighters are the least freaky people because, you know, they actually won't hurt you. Because if you're able to hurt somebody, you usually just won't. No. I mean, even I think Tom Aspinall said one. He feels more safe and comfortable in a room full of fighters than anyone else. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I love it. Makes sense. One athlete who you haven't interviewed yet who you really want to know? Oh, an athlete I haven't interviewed yet. That's a tough one. She's interviewed a lot of people. I was in house league hockey growing up. You were in what? House league hockey. I played T ball. So T ball is on roster now? Yeah. Okay. What about. What about Bagman? Is that on the. I've seen. Hold on, I've seen. Did you get shot out of a cannon once? Oh, no, that was probably one of my ancestors. No, I didn't. Oh, a blob, you mean? Yeah, yeah, like that. Serious question, though. There was a dwarf MMA league. Would you join it or would you, like, watch it? Would I watch? Of course I would watch it. You think a hack would watch that? You think it'd go viral? Who would win between John and love? Oh, I'm 11, not a fighter, just like you, Nina. So, him. What's your grip strength? You know. Oh, what the. We should have brought that machine. Oh, my gosh. I love this. This is great. Well, I love you, honestly. Seriously, I haven't seen you in so freaking long. You are the best. It's so good to see you. Sean. Sean. Hey. Yeah, yeah. Strickland. No, not Strickland. I have the number two podcast on Spotify. We get 100 million views a month. Jamal Hill's been on the podcast. What happened with you? You and him today? He got there, little face off, little stare down, a few words, you know, he's proud of it. I saw him doing that before. Do you think he's still upset from the whole. Are you looking at a next opponent? Anyone you have in mind? Well, I'm letting the organization decide right now. I'm focusing on coming back slow. Let me get it back into the grind and then let's see what they do. I got two of my little friends here. Do you think he can pick up both of them? What are your thoughts on having an MMA league solely for people under the height of 5 foot? It's a good idea because it's going to give everybody an opportunity. How many middle people would it take to whoop your ass in the octagon? How. How many of us versus here in the octagon? Well, I don't know, but it depends. Do they train? Are they strong? That makes more complicated one. It got to be definitely more than one. Okay. Okay. You have the hardest punch in the world, I would say. I want you rating his punch on me one to ten. Sorry, bro. Don't prove you have to train me. Appreciate you. I appreciate it, sir. Thank you, boys. It's very nice meeting you, sir. How's it going? Who we here with today? Who am I with? My wife. She's around here somewhere. Let's go. You guys going to the Power Slap tomorrow, too? No, I got guys, we got Timba Garambo fighting on Saturday, so I got a lot of, like, coaching duties, so I won't be. I won't be doing much of anything. Let's go. Who else is fighting at your coaching? Just Timba, but we have, you know, Aljo's like, a teammate of ours, so Al be on the card as well. So pulling for both those guys, are they favored to win? Timba is. Aljo is not. Ooh. Little upset. I mean, shit, you know, I think they're overlooking or underlooking Aljo. Right. You know, because he's a. He's a fucking. He's tough as shit. You got that inside scoop. So you're probably not even allowed to bet, right? Oh, no. That shut that down years ago. Oh, yeah, yeah. Somebody ruined that for us. I don't even know what happened, but, yeah, no, no, we're not allowed to bet. We're not allowed to bet. Damn. All right. Who do you got winning the title card tomorrow or Saturday? You know, I lean towards Pantoja. I think he's. He's eased into being a champion. Understands being a champion. Champion. And, dude, he's. He's just. He's very well coached by Pahumpa. He's one of the most underrated coaches in the game. I don't say underrated. The guy's nominated for coach of the year again. But, you know, I really value when I see good coaching. And that, to me, is Pahumpa. I think Pantoja's got the game plan and the skills to go get that fight. Let's go. Rumors of a Jon Jones Aspinall fight. Who do you got if that happens? Oh, it's tough, man. Like, I've. You know, Jon is the goat, and I think when you. When you're breaking that guy down, he's an enigma. And not only is he enigma, he's figuring you out and processing data all the. All the same time. We're trying to figure him out while you're fighting. But, you know, I've worked with Tom in the past. Tom is amazingly athletic. He's got the skill set to beat him, the hand speed, the footwork. So if anybody were to upset John, that's in the UFC right now, I definitely think it's Aspinal. Wow. Since the fight's evolving so fast, how often are you changing your training techniques? You know, that is huge. And remember, this sport is constantly evolving. We have to be on the cutting edge. Thankfully, we have such a big gym and a big team that we get a lot of people in. I train with A lot of the guys from the Fighting nerds, they come and train with us so we get to see different styles and adapt. And that, to me is the most important part about this sport is evolving and trying to stay on the cutting edge and see what other guys are doing really well. Absolutely. I feel like the skill level is so high now, it's really hard to be undefeated these days. Oh, absolutely. Were laughing a couple days ago around my gym alone at Shrimp Couture. 4, 5, 6 year old kids that are just training every day, they're not playing other sports. This is what they do. They. They're training in MMA. So by the time they turn 16, 17, 18 years old, like the Raul Rosas of the world, they're competing. Not only competing, they're. They're beating, you know, top level guys. So it's huge. Absolutely. I don't want to cut your interview off. There he is, the champ. What's up, man? Good to see you. Well, man, what's next for you? Where can people find find you? I'll be here this week for Timba and then, you know, on the road. Eric underscore xcmma. Boom. Check them out. Thanks for coming on, my man. All dressed up. Let's go, Little. We're just Little around that super tall. You're kind of tall yourself. Yeah. You think they could survive in an off road race with you in the car? Yeah, I think so. Okay. I don't think the airbag would go off because of our weight. We don't have this man don't crack. Do you have an extra large helmet? Because this big noggin needs one. Yeah, 100%. We'll get you a dial. We'll get you with a fire suit on and some gloves. You've been racing lately. I did the Mint 400 this year. We're doing kind of a restructuring of the team, but we started again at King of the Hammers in January. Nice. How long was that one? The race? 400. 400 was 9 hours and 14 minutes, if I remember correctly. My biggest question is how do you go to the bathroom during that race? Just like that. You have to go on your pants. Like, he literally has you asked that. He went. Oh, he just went. I can smell it. His crotch is like eye level to me. You had asparagus last night, didn't you? Yes. You don't have time to pull over, man. It's honestly like the Baja 1001 I won in 2012 was 20 hours, 14 minutes and 59 seconds. And I have a cath I have like a catheter that goes over instead of in. So it's a, it's like a really thick condom that has a hose that goes out the bottom of my shoe. I wish my father had a really thick condom. So obviously we solved the issue of if you have to feed, what if you have to do the other thing when you don't. When you don't really have to go number two and you take half a dose of Pepto Bismol, it clogs you up for enough time to get to the finish. I feel like you going at those high speeds too. Not focused on pooping either. No. The issue, it's a seismic environment. The issue though is you held in crap for that long and then you win and you have to have champagne, which kind of makes you bloated. That crap has to be monstrous. Yes, it's. It's pretty gnarly. Do you even have time to eat in the car? I. I do 250 calories every. Every 52 minutes for nine hours. Wow. Very calculated, simple and complex carbohydrates. I have about eight and a half ounces of water and then I microdose caffeine around four in the morning to seven in the morning. Damn. Yeah, because you're probably burning a lot of calories thinking about your driving, right? Yeah, for sure. You know, it's 136 miles an hour at 2:00 in the morning on a road that you've been down three times. And sometimes it's dark. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's always dark at 3:00 in the morning. So you're going 136 miles an hour for almost 20 hours straight. No, no, no, no. I'm go back and forth between five miles an hour and 150 miles an hour. You know, I go like 115, 117 through three, four foot bumps over and over my race truck. It's, you know, it's like any race car. It's a million dollar piece of equipment, but it doesn't slow down, it doesn't accelerate very well and it doesn't like to change direct. It's designed to go through really big bumps at a high rate of speed. I feel like that was exactly how he walks. Yeah, it's really accurate. Yeah, I don't slow down. And you make it through a lot of bombs. Yes, exactly. All right. Thanks for coming on, brother. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, power slap. Yeah. Are you going to power slop tomorrow? Yeah, I'll be there. Would you ever do power Slap. No, probably not. UFC was enough for you? Not yet. Well, it's funny. I would. I would absolutely fight much before I would do a power slap. I got that answer from a few fighters as well. Yeah. I'll tell you what, though. The live event is incredible. I mean, the things that Lorenzo and Dana can do in terms of live event, it's incredible because people. Yeah. You look at Powerslap, there's some things that are interesting and maybe unattractive, but when you go to live event, it's incredible. Absolutely. It really is incredible. Live event. Were you at the sphere for the ufc? I wasn't, actually. I was out of town for that long. I heard that was one of the best events ever. I did. I saw a lot of pictures and videos, and it looked amazing, but I needed to see it just on tv. So, yeah, if Sean won, I think that would have been a big fight for his resume. Yeah, that's a tough fight, you know, and people forget, like, you're continuously fighting the best guys in the world. And, I mean, just. Just what Sean's done to this point is really incredible. So, I mean, listen, to win a world title one time, I mean, that's a. That's a. That's a lifelong accomplishment and dream. And even to do it or defend your belt or repeatedly do it, I mean, that's. That's relatively unheard of. Absolutely. He's incredible. Yeah. How did you handle your first loss? Was it really tough on you mentally? Not really. I mean, I was still kind of wrestling a lot in the wrestling mindset, and the advantage a lot of wrestlers have, too, is they're quick to move on, you know, And I was like, you know, in a lot of tournaments, you know, you wrestle three, four, five times in a day with a fight. Yeah, you get frustrated, you get upset and reflecting on what happened, this and that, but you just. For me, it was just. I wanted to get back in there quick. Quick and as soon as possible. That makes sense. Did you like wrestling more or fighting? Oh, fighting way more. Really? Why? Yeah, just. It's just much more freedom. You know, you could. You could really do what you want. You know, wrestling's a little bit more limited, you know, with rule, and obviously, you can strike. And, you know, it's funny because I could take advantage of areas that other people won't get. Like, I'd fight guys that are way better wrestlers than I am, but I could make them a little more predictable in a way. Or if I'm fighting guys that are way better, striking, you Know, I'm gonna. I'm gonna be able to control that gait, where the fight goes. So that's definitely. You know, it was always an advantage. I can see that. Do you think wrestling should change some rules to make it more interesting for TV audiences? It's tough, man. It's. I talked to Chael about that a lot, and, you know, he's been around some of the best wrestlers on the planet, and, you know, I think they're doing a better job marketing and getting it out there, you know? But at the end of the day, it's like, you do got to make it a little more exciting, right? You got to get that buzz or even maybe put on a better live event, because, you know, just to see what the UFC done and UFC has done and even other organizations in terms of live event, it's. It's tough, you know, because when you have such exciting sport, you know, exciting events in mma, and then you. You know, you go to wrestling, yeah, it's not as exciting, but they could definitely ramp up the marketing side. Absolutely. There's that jiu jitsu meme of, like, falling on your back, getting in position, you know? So these sports. Got to figure it out, I guess. I know, I know, like, as a competitor, it's a lot of fun. Wrestling, grappling, Jiu jitsu, all of it. It's so much fun. Just not that fun to watch, you know? That's the reality. So you got events like Power Slap, mma, ufc. It's. I mean, I don't know if there's anything more exciting to watch. Absolutely. Will we ever see you in a fight again? Whether it's boxing, MMA or anything, you know, perhaps. Perhaps never. I could say Power Slaps definitely a no. Even for a million dollars? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I would definitely say you'll see me fight before I do that, so. Fair enough. Where can people find you, man? Yeah, I'm on. I mean, I'm lucky that I live here in Las Vegas, so I'm around at least a lot of the events here. Twitter, Instagram, Ellenberger, M mma. So I still try to stay close to the sport as much as I can. Awesome. We'll link below. Thanks for coming on, man. Appreciate it, brother. Yeah, thank you.