The Comeback Formula: Turn Your Darkest Days into Profit | Mark Jennison DSH #1087

Summary

Episode Summary: "The Comeback Formula: Turn Your Darkest Days into Profit | Mark Jennison"

Introduction

In this compelling episode of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly engages in a profound and unfiltered conversation with Mark Jennison, a transformative figure who has navigated the treacherous waters of severe alcoholism and addiction to emerge as a beacon of hope and success. Mark's journey from chaos to control offers invaluable insights into overcoming personal demons and achieving professional triumphs.

Mark's Struggles with Addiction

Mark opens up about the intensity of his addiction, vividly describing the depths to which he fell. At the peak of his substance abuse, he consumed between 50 to 60 drinks daily, snorted cocaine, and used heroin to the point where his life was spiraling out of control [03:03]. Despite these struggles, Mark managed to build a multimillion-dollar transportation company with 78 employees—a testament to his ability to function at an elite level even amidst chaos.

"At the peak of my drinking career, 50 to 60 drinks a day. Snort cocaine all day long. Handfuls of pills to go to sleep or shoot heroin, dude." [03:03]

Impact on Personal Relationships

Mark delves into how his addiction eroded his personal life, particularly his relationship with his son, Phoenix. His relentless pursuit of success and substance use led to the eventual loss of custody, highlighting the profound personal costs of his addiction [21:00]. The emotional toll of these losses serves as a pivotal motivator in his journey toward recovery.

"I had him back now. He's the one I was telling you about. He's 15 years old. We're close, man." [21:19]

Hitting Rock Bottom

The turning point in Mark's life came on July 3, 2015, after a catastrophic relapse that led to the loss of his job and further strained relationships. Despite multiple attempts at rehabilitation and business ventures, Mark found himself repeatedly derailed by relapsing into substance abuse [12:15]. This period of utter despair culminated in a desperate self-realization of his need for change.

"I was sitting there. What do I do now? Because I was back in the real world, right? Like, I had to make some choices and make some decisions." [13:26]

Rehabilitation and Recovery

Mark recounts his arduous path through rehabilitation, including a 21-day stint that ultimately failed to sustain his sobriety [07:46]. However, it was this very failure that propelled him to seek a more effective solution tailored to his unique circumstances. Unlike traditional programs, Mark sought a method that provided quantifiable results and a structured approach to reclaiming control over his life.

Founding the 'I'm a Comeback' Program

Determined to create a system that worked, Mark founded the 'I'm a Comeback' program, focusing not merely on sobriety but on empowering individuals to gain control over their lives. He critiques traditional programs like Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) for their one-size-fits-all approach, arguing that they often fail to address the specific needs of high-performing individuals seeking not just to quit drinking but to excel in all areas of life [17:04].

"Our message is not about being sober. It's about getting what you want, which is control." [33:19]

Mark's program emphasizes disciplined routines, measurable outcomes, and a community of like-minded individuals striving for greatness. This approach has resonated with over 13,000 participants, boasting an impressive 97% success rate [32:57].

Philosophy on Recovery and Self-Development

A cornerstone of Mark's philosophy is the importance of self-love and personal development. He shares his experiences with psychedelics, which he credits for profound personal insights and healing, significantly altering his perception of himself and his capabilities [34:45].

"The first journey that I went on, it was like 12 hours. And it was long, beautiful, scary, dark, light... I could finally love myself." [35:35]

Mark believes that fostering self-love is fundamental to overcoming addiction and building a fulfilling life. He integrates these principles into his program, encouraging participants to shift their focus from merely abstaining from substances to actively cultivating a life they are passionate about.

Personal Life and Legacy

Mark places immense value on his family, particularly his son Phoenix, whose name symbolizes his own rebirth from the ashes of addiction [21:26]. He highlights the role of his wife, Kendra, and his two daughters, Jade and Bailey, in his journey, emphasizing the importance of building a legacy and being a strong leader for his family [21:19].

"I couldn't do this. I wouldn't have done this for myself." [21:22]

Mark also touches on his strained relationship with his father, acknowledging the impact of childhood trauma while recognizing his father's role in shaping his resilience [23:03].

Community and Impact

Beyond individual recovery, Mark is dedicated to building a supportive community that fosters self-development and growth. He critiques the traditional AA culture for its rigidity and lack of alignment with ambitious, success-oriented individuals. Instead, his program promotes a proactive approach, encouraging participants to continuously push their boundaries and achieve their full potential [19:02].

"If you can drink every day, five drinks, 10 drinks, 15 drinks Monday through Friday, seven days a week, 365 days a year, that's pretty disciplined, wouldn't you say?" [32:12]

Conclusion

Mark Jennison's journey is a powerful testament to the potential for profound personal transformation. Through his 'I'm a Comeback' program, he offers a tailored approach to recovery that not only addresses addiction but also empowers individuals to reclaim control over their lives and achieve unparalleled success. Mark's story underscores the importance of resilience, self-love, and the relentless pursuit of one's goals, even in the face of overwhelming adversity.

Notable Quotes

• "I'm a comeback. At some point, even the people that love me are like, damn, dude this guy just doesn't quit." [01:12]
• "Our message is not about being sober. It's about getting what you want, which is control." [33:19]
• "I am worthy of love." [35:35]
• "Everything happens for a reason." [30:32]

Resources

• I'm a Comeback Program: To learn more about Mark Jennison's transformative program, visit ImaComeback.com.
• I'm a Comeback Podcast: Hosted by Mark Jennison and his wife Kendra, this podcast delves deeper into their mission to empower individuals to overcome addiction and achieve greatness. Available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and other major platforms.

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Transcript

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[Mark Jennison]

And also, man, like, I've had such highs and lows, ups and downs, peaks and valleys, and they just keep coming back, right? Hence the shirt. I have a comeback at some point. Even the people that love me are like, damn, dude, this guy just doesn't quit. You think they'd be happy, but I keep getting more successful and I think it created jealousy or a mirror to them of like, why can't I do this?

[Podcast Host]

All right, guys, got Mark here. Got a very important message today. Thanks for coming on, man.

[Mark Jennison]

Absolutely, man. Thanks for having me.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. We're going to talk alcoholism and drug recovery, right?

[Mark Jennison]

Let's do it.

[Podcast Host]

Let's do it. My dad was an alcoholic.

[Mark Jennison]

Really?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. You drink a lot.

[Mark Jennison]

How'd that impact you?

[Podcast Host]

Definitely turned me away from alcohol.

[Mark Jennison]

Do you drink now?

[Podcast Host]

No, but I used to.

[Mark Jennison]

How old are you?

[Podcast Host]

I'm 27 now.

[Mark Jennison]

27?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I've been sober. I mean, I'll have a drink, but I won't. I haven't been drunk in like five years.

[Mark Jennison]

So you use that word, sober, right? Is. Is that something that you think that you actually are like, do you think that's a.

[Podcast Host]

People have different perspectives on it. My thing is, like, I haven't been drunk, but I've had drinks. So some people would say, oh, you're not sober because you, you've had a drink.

[Mark Jennison]

Sure.

[Podcast Host]

You know what I mean? So I guess it's like relative.

[Mark Jennison]

So for me, man, I look at the word sober and it's actually not even in my vocabulary really. And like, what's crazy is I've helped thousands of dudes. Right. Millions of people have actually tuned into the content with thousands of people through my program.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

And I think that the reason that they do it is why they've come to me is because, you know, I will get into this, I'm sure. But you can't get more sober. Like, once you stop drinking, you're like, you can be better. So for me, I was never trying to chase sobriety. I wanted to chase greatness. Right. So for me, it's been nine years since I've had a drink. I never counted days, but nine years since I had a drink. And at the peak of my drinking career, 50 to 60 drinks a day.

[Podcast Host]

Whoa.

[Mark Jennison]

Snort cocaine all day long. Handfuls of pills to go to sleep or shoot heroin, dude. And from 27 to 33, I built a transportation company that had millions and millions and millions of dollars. 43 semis, 78 employees. Built it up, burnt it down. So when I look at the word sober, I never wanted to be sober because that's like, just wasn't for me.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

I wanted to be in power.

[Podcast Host]

That is fascinating. So you are a functioning alcoholic.

[Mark Jennison]

I would never even say the word alcohol. I was, I was functioning for sure, man. At a high, high level. Yeah. Like to be able to operate at that degree, you've got to be a little bit crazy for sure. Function at a suit, I would say high performer. And then like an elite performer. Because to pull that type of lifestyle off, bro, you gotta be doing something crazy. Obsessed inside of your mind.

[Podcast Host]

Absolutely. Did you know what was causing you to drink excessively?

[Mark Jennison]

Not when I was doing it. Well, here's what I find. There's three reasons why guys like me drink or the people that I help. I should say.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

Because just to be clear, like, if I want to share it out for your followers, we help a very specific niche. Business owners, entrepreneurs, high level executives, men. Right now eventually going to branch out to women who want to gain control and be in power of their life and actually maybe drink again or not drink again. Okay. So for me, I didn't recognize in the Point that even had a problem as a matter of of fact, when I stopped drinking and like I look, I came to like reality. Like, whoa, not everybody drinks like this. Not everybody's just snorting cocaine at 5 in the morning. Like it doesn't make sense to me. So I didn't know what I was doing at the time or why I was doing it at the time. And honestly, I don't think I cared. But the three reasons were, one, there's a habit or routine that works so well it kicks our own ass. Two, deep rooted trauma, anger, shame, guilt. Or number three, just like getting wasted all the time. And I was a combination of all three. Three.

[Podcast Host]

Damn.

[Mark Jennison]

So that was me.

[Podcast Host]

So you had all three? Yeah, I, I drank a little bit. I mean it's relative. But in college I definitely drank a good amount and it for me was a confidence booster and trauma as well. It's a sure. Yeah. I didn't feel like I fit in anywhere, so drinking helped me get more comfortable.

[Mark Jennison]

Do you feel like you fit in now?

[Podcast Host]

Nah. But now I know it.

[Mark Jennison]

Do you want to fit in?

[Podcast Host]

No. Hell no. I don't want to be normal.

[Mark Jennison]

Is that, isn't that messed up? Right? Like you do things that fit in, you didn't even want to do it anyways. Right. This isn't just drinking. It's many things in our life.

[Podcast Host]

100%. Yeah. It's so fascinating because I, I tried to fit in with the cool kids growing up and like that wasn't me at all. You know, I should have just been myself. But you get bullied, you get made fun of for that.

[Mark Jennison]

So yeah, I think I was on the other side of that.

[Podcast Host]

You were, you were the bully.

[Mark Jennison]

I, when I came from a place where I was bullied right. By my dad or you know, like it was a tough life. I had a tough life growing up. So you only just hurt people. Hurt people, right? So like I would hurt and I would hurt and I would hurt. What I found though is I was the guy that actually like, I was always instigating the drinking. So maybe I wasn't a bully, but I'm like, if I'm going out, I'm taking everyone with me. I had an entourage of people all the time. So I wouldn't like make fun of people for drinking, but I would make them drink alongside me to a point of almost like I was the dom, like, kiss my ring, right? Like I'm the man. Had money back then. I had money now, but had money back then. And because I had the money. I thought you should drink with me all the time.

[Podcast Host]

And how would you handle people that.

[Mark Jennison]

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[Mark Jennison]

Yeah, you know, no one's asked me that question actually. It's the first time in almost 10 years. Yeah, I don't think, I don't think they'd want to be around me. I think they were smart enough to stay away. Looking back at it now, when you're drinking like that and you're making the type of money that I was making and living that type of lifestyle which goes hand in hand with just Like, Wolf of Wall street was what my life was really. It was very. I mean, I didn't make. I wasn't a. Dialing phones like that. But I had a business that was running. It was chaotic. It was out every night, drinking all day long. You know, bars, people, entourage, just doing all the stuff. People actually like that lifestyle until they don't like that lifestyle. Right. So it was always easy for me to find somebody that would actually want to drink with me.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. So when you stopped drinking, was it like an identity crisis for you?

[Mark Jennison]

No, but it was. Let me put it this way, man. I had no choice to stop drinking. I guess I had a choice. That's my whole message, right? My son was taken from me, so I was drinking at that type of level. I'll share a little background with you. I did a. I had seven major relapses. Inside of these seven major relapses, there's stuff like divorce, death, you know, grieving. My uncle died. First time I did heroin, my friend died.

[Podcast Host]

Whoa.

[Mark Jennison]

And they tried to then, like, get. Pin it on me, right? The business failure. So there was always some, like, cataclysmic event that would just cause me to just derail over and over and over. But here's what I did. I built up a business, lost it. Built up another business, lost it. Then I went and I sold cars, and I hit the top 1% of cars in, like, three, four months. Okay? But I got myself sober. I was like, white knuckling. I was holding on to the. Holding on to the mindset that I had and just selling cars. And then about six, seven months into it, leaving the Saturday morning meetings with, like, three to $5,000 cash, I'd find myself going back to the bar, and I was living a lie. And then the alcohol and the drugs, I just like, man, I can't do this. And it took over. So I ended up the re. The dealership put me in rehab, and I did a 21 stint, 21 day stint, and I got out on July 3rd, which is 4th of July. So that's a tough day, right? So I went in on June 11 and got out on July 3. And here's what happened. I got out and went back to the dealership, and I had a couple hundred bucks in my pocket. And I was sitting there. I remember looking at the road, the cars were passing by, and, like, what do I do now? Because I was back in the real world, right? Like, I had to make some choices and make some decisions. Like, I had to do it on My own. I pick up the phone and I call my. My son's mother at the time. She. She's like, hey. She's. I'm in Chicago. We're in Chicago. You can't see him now, but let me just see my son, man. Let me see my son. And she's like, no, you can't see him. I'm like, okay, cool. I was in rehab. I understand that. So I pick up the phone, and I call one of my good friends who was like, a bodybuilder. The only guy I knew that didn't drink. He's like, yo, Mark, you should come over to the pool. Like, where I live, there's still, like, the community pool. It's called the Sunset Park. And he's like, come over here, your son. Here is your swimming. And I just got lied to by his mom. And I made a choice in that moment. I could have went to the pool and saw my son and started an argument and been like, why'd you lie to me? Instead, I went to a restaurant that I would never go to, and I sat down to order some food because I was inside of the. You know, in the rehab eating chicken, or not even chicken chocolate milk and, like, jowl food. It was awful. Yeah, I wanted some real food. I sit down July 3, in walks a group of people. This guy walks in, he's like, buy a round of shots for everybody. You want one? I'm like, nah, man. I just got out of rehab. And then I slammed my hand on the table. Now, fuck it, give me one, right? I did one shot, then two shots and three shots. The next thing you know, it was just gone six hours. I got out of rehab, and I was wasted. And then my son was taken from me, right? His mom at the time. His mom, she just died a couple weeks ago, but she took almost the greatest thing that ever happened to me. Just so you understand, right? I'm sharing this story with you because I want the listeners to hear the pain and the agony and sometimes the failure and the mistakes and the decisions. You talk about an identity. My identity was deeply rooted inside of this pain, right? So it wasn't an identity crisis. It was almost an identity reveal. It was an identity revealing. Like when I recognized, like, man, I can hit rock bottom over and over and over. I hear these voices. I hear these things. Like, mark, you have something to do in this world. There's people that need you. So although I didn't have an identity crisis, I found my new identity inside of, I guess, a bottle.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Mark Jennison]

Right. I don't know if that makes sense or not, but that's where it came from.

[Podcast Host]

No, it definitely does, man. And you said you had seven of those moments. Rock bottom moments.

[Mark Jennison]

Seven massive moments.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap.

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah. That was the final one. So that happened July 3rd of 2015. Okay. And then so I relapsed that night. Wasted. Went out to be a total idiot. The dealership that put me in, into the rehab, they're having a party at this bar, a bar I would never go to. I show up at this bar, wasted, and they're like, what are you doing? You just got out 21 days ago. Like, what are you doing? So I lost my job.

[Podcast Host]

Damn.

[Mark Jennison]

Lost everything. Lost my son. And I went on a nine day bender, bro. Like, just trying to kill myself just as whatever I could put in my body. Like as much as I could put in my body, just pouring it in. And I couldn't even die. I couldn't even get it figured out. Like, I couldn't even die. Right. Obviously there was a purpose on my life. But here's what happened. My brother shows up one day at my house. He's like, dude, get out of here. Like, go to Florida. Your mom's in Florida. Get out of here, we hate you, You're a failure. All these things, it was in a loving way, but he was doing the right thing for me. Shouldn't say a loving way. It's very pissed off. The point is he cared, right?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

So I got. He get. He got me a couple hundred bucks, got me a plane ticket. I jumped on a plane and flew down to Florida where my mom was. And I got off this plane. I hadn't showered in nine days. I was like shivering and shaking and withdrawing. I said, mom, take me directly to the liquor store. So she took me to the liquor store and I started downing Rumpelmans. So I felt better. Here's what happened, though. I was down there for like four or five, six days and I just kept picking. I didn't have a phone. I was using her phone and I went and got a flip phone. I kept calling my son's mother at the time. I'm like, just let me talk to him, please. I need to hear like a real, real wimp, right? I'm like, just let me talk to him. You don't understand. And she's not even answering. I'm leaving voicemail. She's texting back. Why don't you kill yourself? The world's better off without you. You're a loser. Right? He's Better off. And I'm like, you know what? She's right. Like, she's right. So she sent me some papers, and I was gonna write the rights off to my son. I remember getting ready to write them. The tears are dripping down onto the paper. And, you know, I'm sure you've seen a wet paper before, what that looks like.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

And I didn't have the balls to do it. So my life, all these successful things I've done, everything I've created in my life, the businesses, and just, it was. It was at a breaking point where I needed to do something. And I was gonna write him, I was gonna write the rights off to him, and I was gonna go park cars as a valet parker. That was gonna be my job, right? It didn't matter how much money I make. The business I built, like, that's where I was at. I went and I applied for a job, and they said, sure, you can start on Monday. So I grabbed the beer, I went out to the. In front of the beach in Florida and sat down. The sky's pink and blue and orange. I cracked the beer, and I heard a voice that said, are you ready to listen to me now? And I'm like, yeah. I stood up audibly. I've done a ton of drugs in my life. But the point is, I heard the voice clear as day. I said, you're ready to listen to me now? And I answered it audibly. And then I got up and went inside because my mom worked at that restaurant bar. And I said, hey, I gotta go back home. That was. I don't remember that day, but I remember what I was what was told. July 27, 2015. I walked in, back in that car dealership. I begged for my job back. I went back, I drank a liter of vodka. I was still drinking, still lying, right? I said, just give me a chance. Give me a chance. I promise. And they're like, yo, Mark, if you're so, like, you're so talented, but we hate you. You get no lot ups, you get no leads. You get no CRM. You get nothing, right? You get nothing but show us that you can do it. I said, just give me a chance. I walked in on July 27. I had no shoes, no money, no food, beard, just disgusting looking. I didn't sell any cars for four days. I just kind of sat there and shook. And then finally I picked up the phone book. I started cold calling people. And I've selling 90 cars in 90 days.

[Podcast Host]

Whoa. Off cold calls, Cold calls.

[Mark Jennison]

Well, then. And then I got up, I got my phone, and I started doing Facebook, you know, grassroots organic marketing, putting videos out three times a day, talking about my addiction, talking about sales, talking about motivation. But I started getting some momentum. And here's what's unique about it, is I tried a. I tried na. I tried celebrate recovery. I went to rehab. Nothing worked. No knocks against them. They work for certain people. I needed something. I needed to see a quantifiable result. I needed a KPI, needed indicator to see what the. What the work was doing. Right? So I started creating a disciplined routine, a disciplined structure for myself. And in those 90 days as I was selling the cars, I recognized that if I could just keep doing these certain types of things, I call them the Comeback seven now. It's what I teach. I could actually see the results happening. Right? So I know I'm kind of going all over the place. Anya.

[Podcast Host]

But no, that's great backstory to establish everything. Dude, That's. It's fascinating to me how you were able to replicate it now, teach others, because a lot of people can recover, but teaching, It's a whole nother thing.

[Mark Jennison]

I went to the world and I said, you're. You're not weak, you're not diseased, you're not powerless, and you're gonna pay me. Which is the exact opposite of what everyone else teaches. Right? AA should be given away freely, is what they say.

[Podcast Host]

Is it free?

[Mark Jennison]

I didn't know that AA is free.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, wow. So how do they. Is it a charity or.

[Mark Jennison]

It's like people put in a dollar every time they come in. Just $1. $1. So what I did, man, and what Kevin over here did with me, we started doing this was actually prior to doing I'm a Comeback. I was. Remember I was telling you I was selling cars? Here's how this happened. I was selling cars, and then we created a video program called 30 and 30. How to sell 30 cars in 30 days and create $100,000 a year as a car salesman. Cause I pulled it off. We started selling at, like, $27 on a phone. I was real good on the phone for cheap prices. And eventually what happened is I started coaching them, and they didn't care about selling cars. They want to know how I got sober. Even though I don't like the word, they want to know how I got sober. So I started teaching them what I did. And then over time, it just took off. So that was in 2016. So I didn't even launch. I'm gonna come back to 2018 and that's when we started this thing. There was like this. This vision and this desire to change the world. And this black. I usually wear a black shirt, but black and white and gold and these things that matter to me. And yeah, man, it's been relentless.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. On the pursuit, beautiful, man.

[Mark Jennison]

We've helped 13, a little over 13, 000 people so far.

[Podcast Host]

Let's go.

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And that. Is that specifically alcohol or is that every addiction?

[Mark Jennison]

So it's. It's business owners, entrepreneurs, high level executives who struggle with alcohol right now. But here's what you know, there's really only three ways those guys mess up their lives. Alcohol and drugs, food and women. So it's usually like a. A combination of all three. For the guys that I serve, the plan for what we're doing here is to build it, get so much momentum, which is like why I'm on this type of podcast. I've. I've got to figure out how to spread the message.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

Right now I'm in my infancy. Right.

[Podcast Host]

I mean, 13,000 is still a good start. Great.

[Mark Jennison]

But AA has been around since 1939, and there's like millions.

[Podcast Host]

That's a good point.

[Mark Jennison]

Right, so. But the difference is, look around all this technology. Right. I can fast track the results if I stay committed, consistent to what I want. Right. So, yeah, so it's been pretty cool, man. It's been very rewarding.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I will say I've never been AA or anything. I know people that have, but I think that community aspect is why they're successful. You know, being around like, like people dealing with the same issue. So that's what you built, right?

[Mark Jennison]

It's 100% what I built. The difference is the guys that I coach and teach, they actually believe in like, self development and self improvement.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

So like I. Like I said, I want to be clear. People are out there that are watching your show and listen to your show. My knock is my fight's not with aa. AA works for a lot of people. If I could replicate or duplicate the results they have, I'll be super stoked on it. Yeah, I've got a long way to go. So this is not a knock on them. My fight, my wars with mediocrity and complacency and weakness and depression and darkness. Like, it's a dark place when you drink. So for me, when I went into the AA rooms, it just didn't make sense to me.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

Right. I didn't fit in. There was a culture, but the culture wanted me to stay. Stay stuck. They Wanted me to trade my mindset of success for that of just don't drink ever again. And for me, it never made sense to just not drink ever again. I wanted to win, right? Like, I want to win at everything I do. So I found a certain segment of people in my life just like me that want to win. So when I say there's 13,000 guys in the community, that's great. That's what we've helped. But there's a whole. There's hundreds of thousands that believe that same way. So, yeah, the community is great, though. It's. It's very powerful. And when you segment it out by, like, all business owners, they stop talking about alcohol, they talk about their families, they talk about the gym, they talk about sports.

[Podcast Host]

Love it. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome, man. Were you able to talk with your son?

[Mark Jennison]

My son?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah, I got him.

[Podcast Host]

Your wife let you talk to him?

[Mark Jennison]

I never got to talk to him. Then I came back, and I fought for him.

[Podcast Host]

Got it.

[Mark Jennison]

I fought and I fought. I didn't see him for five months.

[Podcast Host]

Whoa.

[Mark Jennison]

So I have him back now. He's the one I was telling you about. He's 15 years old. We're close, man. He's actually up at soccer game. Our. Our school that he's in is gonna win state for soccer, so let's go. He's up there cheering on his buddies. But, yeah, man, like, we're super tight. Like, as a matter of fact, this whole thing, this I'm a comeback thing was for him.

[Podcast Host]

Really? Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

I couldn't do this. I wouldn't have done this for myself.

[Podcast Host]

Whoa. So your son just has massive importance to you.

[Mark Jennison]

He. His name is Phoenix. Right. So, like a rising from the ashes, like a Phoenix. And it's interesting is I didn't name him Phoenix. He was 5 when I started this. But his name has some symbolic meaning to me, and I rose from the ashes for him, and even today. So today, I've got my son. I've got my wife, Kendra, who's a love of my life, and I got my two daughters, Jade and Bailey. And I built this family unit and my whole thing. And the. The comeback guys that we created for. We are really just trying to build legacy and be the greatest leaders we can be for our family. Right. So, yes, I got Phoenix back. I've worked on this relationship with him. We've been super close. I never missed a haircut, never missed a tooth, A dentist appointment. Like, I committed all the way in, probably to the point where I made him a Little too weak, but a little helicopter. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

A little bit.

[Mark Jennison]

A little bit of. I'm a tough guy. Right. So I always want to watch him. Now he's, you know, 6:2 into a man. But I kind of softened him up a little bit.

[Podcast Host]

Was there any trauma from his early years?

[Mark Jennison]

You know, I think about that. I don't know. I think I combated the trauma, but at the same time, I don't know that we'll know until he gets older.

[Podcast Host]

Got it.

[Mark Jennison]

He had his own situation. Right. So his mom, she just passed away, like I said, three, four weeks ago. And she also party. Right. So that's where we came from. So there's definitely some stuff inside. But I made a very conscious decision that I was going to like work him. Work. It was not the right way. You know what? I'm just gonna say what it is. Brainwash him. I was gonna brainwash him to believe he's the best, like since he's five years old. You can do it. You're powerful. Like all these things. His confidence is through the roof. He's great at basketball, very good looking track, like so I don't know what traumas may reveal himself.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

But I did my best to make sure that I could protect him.

[Podcast Host]

I love it. Well, I know you had some massive childhood trauma. That's why I asked that.

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And you know, just as I was about to come on this show, my brother just text me that our dad is. We don't talk, but he's actually probably dead by maybe by the time I get on.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, sorry to hear that, man.

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah, so that's. I've got my own stuff, right? Yeah, it's.

[Podcast Host]

You don't talk to him at all. You said, wow.

[Mark Jennison]

But if I get back and he makes it, I'm gonna drive up there tomorrow.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Mark Jennison]

That's why I'll fly out tonight. But literally on the way over here, he called me.

[Podcast Host]

Damn, the timing on that's crazy.

[Mark Jennison]

Hey, dude, dad's not doing good. It's hard for me because like, I love my brother.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

So I want to be there for him, but I don't know how to be there for my dad. And then there's a piece of me, I'm like, damn, dude, is there something wrong with you? Like, bro, is there something wrong with you that you don't care?

[Podcast Host]

So he still talks to him.

[Mark Jennison]

He does.

[Podcast Host]

They're very close, but you okay?

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah. So they're super close. Just my dad and I had a falling out a long time ago. But honestly, I want to say this because I know there's a big audience out here. I wouldn't be the man I am today without my dad. So for as much as it's messed up, yeah. I wouldn't be as strong as I am without him.

[Podcast Host]

So he was very hard on you.

[Mark Jennison]

He was. He was hard on me, but he made me who I am.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. So this happened with my dad. His dad was super hard on him. He left the house at 18. Never talked to him again. Man. And I saw. I eat at him, if we're being honest. Like, he's. He would bring him up all the time, so it's sad to see that.

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah. I. My dad made it. Made a conscious decision one time to tell me that I was dead to him, and, like, I was black and white, and I was like, okay, well, that's what you think? I guess that's. My mom did the same one.

[Podcast Host]

She said it, too.

[Mark Jennison]

To me, too. Right.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Mark Jennison]

At some point, I'm like, you talk about trauma, like, well, maybe there is something wrong with me, but.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Well, sometimes you could use it as motivation. Seems like you've done that.

[Mark Jennison]

It's what I've done. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. But I would say from their point of view, probably because they saw so much potential in you, they were, like, kind of disappointed, you know?

[Mark Jennison]

You know, back in the day, I. I would agree, but it wasn't until I started changing my life, becoming who I am today and growing and growing and growing and growing that the distance really happened.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, okay.

[Mark Jennison]

Right. Because I think that happens in any family, any household unit when you start growing further than your parents. And. And also, man, like, I've had such highs and lows, ups and downs, peaks and valleys, and I just keep coming back. Right. Hence the shirt. I'm a comeback. At some point, even the people that love me are like, damn, dude, this guy just doesn't quit. And you would think they'd be happy, but I keep getting more successful, and I think it created jealousy or a mirror to them of, like, why can't I do this?

[Podcast Host]

Oh, they were projecting in a way.

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

Why can't I do this? Or why is he not taking care of me?

[Podcast Host]

Right. You know, you see that with certain families and friends even.

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah, for sure.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

Most of the people in my life from. From back then are gone.

[Podcast Host]

Same. It's part of the entrepreneurship journey, I think if you keep the same people, it's. It's tough because you're leveling up so fast. Like, you can't Expect them to do that, you know?

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah. I mean, running out, running a family, too. I don't know if you're married or not.

[Podcast Host]

About to be married next year. I'm excited, man.

[Mark Jennison]

Kids yet?

[Podcast Host]

Not yet, but I, I can't wait.

[Mark Jennison]

It's the coolest thing ever.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

But my wife, she's 33, so I'm 44, she's 33 and just. We've been together now going on seven years, but watching, like, when you find the person you can run life with and you keep going and growing and growing and growing and growing, it's beautiful. Like, we just keep pushing each other. Like I told you out there, man, we're going to Dana Point, California.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

There's uprooting our house and we're going after our dreams to change the world. Like, she's so bought into this mission that I'm going to be able to break the narrative and make people believe they're powerful, that alcohol was a gift to them, even though it messed up their life, that she's just willing to follow me wherever I go.

[Podcast Host]

Beautiful. Did she meet you when you were sober? Like, you hate that word. Sorry. Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

I don't matter if I hate it. You can say whatever you want. But yeah, she did meet me. She would have hated me when I drank. To be clear. So would you. So would he. Everyone. I. I sucked.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. So you had a huge ego.

[Mark Jennison]

Dude, I was mean, I was calm. I was like fake confident.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Mark Jennison]

Confident at the same time.

[Podcast Host]

Bar fights.

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah. That type of guy.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

Right. Just really just. You said over inflated ego. Probably just I had a massive ego. Like, way more than over inflated. I just wasn't a good human being. Like, I literally was just not a good human being. And she would have never went for that guy. And I don't think I would ever be on this call if I never this podcast if I didn't change it.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. You did a lot of self work, man.

[Mark Jennison]

Nine years. Damn. Nine years and hours, man. Hundreds of hours. Thousands of hours. You talk about leveling up and leveling up your social circle. Like in growing fast, I, I, strategically, we're here for a reason. Right. And then like the other guy that I talked to all the time and I was Andy Elliott. Like, we're close as hell. Yeah. Andy, Ella and I. And this, I'm trying to level up and follow, run the play that they're doing. Why I think that's important is because people out there that may be listening to this, they're looking for a different way or an alternative to put down the drink and start living their life like there's other ways out there than what's out there. I guarantee you that you have probably half your audience that may be struggling in silence with alcohol, that doesn't want to go get help because they don't resonate with the ideas. The ideas, the beliefs, the principles of what's out there. And they just don't know about me yet. That's my responsibility, right? It's my duty, my obligation to go find those people.

[Podcast Host]

Dang. You really think it's half. That's a lot of people.

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah, bro, I really do.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap.

[Mark Jennison]

I really do. It might even be more than half, dude. Because that's all they know since 1939.

[Podcast Host]

Damn.

[Mark Jennison]

And we hear it all the time. Who was I talking to? It doesn't matter who I was talking to. But they manage billions of dollars. So it's one of my clients that manages billions of dollars. And he was talking about. Regardless, he's talking about the people that. Whose money he manages. And they said, how many people do you think are actually struggling in silence with alcohol from this massive pool of money? And they figured about 80 white. And they know the details of the family. And it's not just them. It's the kids.

[Podcast Host]

Huh?

[Mark Jennison]

Right. So it's the mom and dad or the grandparents, then all the way down to the kids. You just don't talk about it.

[Podcast Host]

That is crazy.

[Mark Jennison]

And then they. They don't really want to go sit inside of the AA rooms because they don't fit in. You got a guy who's worth a hundred million dollars sitting next to a guy. That's. In theory, it should be the right thing, right? Yeah, it should be okay. But it doesn't work that way.

[Podcast Host]

No, it does, man. I had Ric Flair on last. Last month.

[Mark Jennison]

That's awesome.

[Podcast Host]

I asked him, was it worth it? Because he's drank every day for 50 years.

[Mark Jennison]

Still drinks.

[Podcast Host]

Still drinks. And he's.

[Mark Jennison]

Was he drinking in here?

[Podcast Host]

He wasn't, but I think he's like, gotta be late 70s now and just. Interesting lifestyle, man. But it ages you.

[Mark Jennison]

What was his answer?

[Podcast Host]

It wasn't like yes or no, but I think he. He does have some. He did show some signs of regret in his answer. Because when you're drinking and partying every day for 50 years, you gotta neglect family time and other aspects of your.

[Mark Jennison]

Life and the lifestyle that he lived. Right. I mean, he's famous and wrestler and all that stuff. I'll tell you what, I don't regret I had 21 years of my life.

[Podcast Host]

I drank, like, every day.

[Mark Jennison]

Pretty much every day.

[Podcast Host]

Damn.

[Mark Jennison]

I mean, I shouldn't say there's bouts of time in between there that I would stop for two months or three months or five months or whatever it was. Right. So it wasn't all the time, but I would drink and I would drink and I would drink and I would drink. And those times I would, like, let off the gas, I would come back, roar. I would make up for the time down. Right.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Mark Jennison]

Okay, cool. Now I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna drink, like, three times the amount, four times the amount, or five times the amount. I have no regrets because without that, I wouldn't be sitting.

[Podcast Host]

Damn. I mean, everything happens for a reason then, right?

[Mark Jennison]

You have to believe that.

[Podcast Host]

I believe that.

[Mark Jennison]

You have to. Right. If. Especially if you're making a decision to change the world and change your life, like, you have to believe that all that stuff happened and it was those parts, especially for what I do. If I didn't have the story, I wouldn't be sitting there.

[Podcast Host]

Yep, I agree. First 25 years of my life out of victim mentality.

[Mark Jennison]

You did. You know, let's hear about that.

[Podcast Host]

I think this is easy to have that mindset. Growing up, watching the news every day, the household you're in, I would say a majority. Majority of people have that mindset. You know, you. You don't take any accountability.

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So that was just me for 25 years.

[Mark Jennison]

There was. There was a time in my life when I was trying to quit drinking, and I had such a woe is me victim mindset. I remember telling my mom, like, you don't get it, Mom. This is back when she. We did get along. Like, you don't get it, Mom. It's because of you. It's a generational curse. It's a disease. And you gave it to me because your uncle or your brother and blah, blah, blah. I was just sharing some lies, some store, like some BS that I didn't really believe. I wanted to believe it because it let me go be left alone to go do what I wanted to do, which was be a victim, because then everybody felt sorry for me. And when they feel sorry for me, like, oh, that felt good. So I had it too.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. It's easy to say, oh, I was raised this way. That's why I act like this. But you can make a conscious effort to change that. Right?

[Mark Jennison]

100%.

[Podcast Host]

And that's. You probably see that with all your clients.

[Mark Jennison]

Yes. I think everything's Changeable. But at the same time, I don't think guys like me, I. I know me, I can speak for me and the guys I've helped, I've never had them change anything about themselves, just what they put their energy and attention into. So like these guys, look, I have no discipline. I'm like, dude, you're full of it. You're just disciplined the wrong way. If you can drink every day, five drinks, 10 drinks, 15 drinks Monday through Friday, seven days a week, 365 days a year, that's pretty disciplined, wouldn't you say?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

Why can't you just switch in and go to the gym? So let's just switch what's going on over here and let's change your mindset. You don't have to change the. Change what you're doing, just change the habits, change the outcome of what you're putting the energy into.

[Podcast Host]

Right. Do you. Yeah, no, absolutely. Do you coach people online in person? How does it work?

[Mark Jennison]

So we've been doing it online since 2016, 2018. So we started prior to Covid, just, I think clients on demand. You know this.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

All right. So we kind of follow their framework and one to many group coaching. I started off one on one, but on the phone, and then we just started building groups and it's all done on Zoom.

[Podcast Host]

Nice.

[Mark Jennison]

We do in person stuff at our studios.

[Podcast Host]

So six years now you're probably eight years. So you're probably seeing some good results by now.

[Mark Jennison]

So last time we did a study or a survey was 97 success rate.

[Podcast Host]

What? Dude, that's insane. That's the highest I've ever heard for anything.

[Mark Jennison]

And remember though, our message is not that. It's not about being sober.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

It's about getting what you want, which is control. And most people want to. They may end up not drinking, but they take back control of their life.

[Podcast Host]

Got it.

[Mark Jennison]

Right. So that's, that's where.

[Podcast Host]

So when you say success, it's like they have more control, lost weight, they're.

[Mark Jennison]

Happy, their wife's letting back in, they didn't get a divorce, their kids love them again. They did stop drinking. They start controlling the drink. It's really a full lifestyle change with.

[Podcast Host]

I'm a dude, well done. It's 97%. I mean, you know, we do stack the deck, though.

[Mark Jennison]

That's why I go back to what I said. Business owners, entrepreneurs, high level, they're the easiest to work with. Yeah, right. You're disciplined.

[Podcast Host]

That's true. So as you know, in our space, the core space, the Chargeback rate is, like, really high.

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You know, coaching and courses. It's like 20 chargebacks.

[Mark Jennison]

We don't. We actually. Because we stack the deck and do the results, we don't. I don't know our number. It's far less than 20.

[Podcast Host]

Nice.

[Mark Jennison]

I think. I think we. We actually kick guys out if they're not doing the work, because really, integrity is everything. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. Yeah. Integrity.

[Mark Jennison]

I mean, you got guys. To be honest, I'm not gonna sit here and BS you, bro. Like, there's guys that don't do the work and have charged back. That's. That's. That's the truth.

[Podcast Host]

That's part of the game.

[Mark Jennison]

Part of it. Yeah. But more often than not, like, we built. I don't know what everyone else's company's like, but I actually truly care about the results. So we have people literally following them. Not sponsors, but texting them. Here's how you should do the work. What'd you do today? And making sure they get what they need during the eight weeks.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's tough on most people because a lot of people are looking for a magic pill, right?

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

But yours is like a set thing that you got to do every day. So it's not easy for some people.

[Mark Jennison]

But it's easy for the guys we work with because they understand, like, oh, shoot, I need to run my life like I run my business. A balance sheet, profit, loss. Boom.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

I'm gonna run my life the same way.

[Podcast Host]

Absolutely. Have you tried psychedelics?

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Did it actually work for.

[Mark Jennison]

That's all. We can bring up that conversation if you want. Yeah. I have a journey going on in my house. Saturday.

[Podcast Host]

Not really.

[Mark Jennison]

Not tomorrow? Saturday. Next Saturday.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Mark Jennison]

So I've done seven. Seven journeys.

[Podcast Host]

Is that ayahuasca or what is it?

[Mark Jennison]

So it's. It's a place down in Tennessee. It's called Clarivita Claire Vita. Yeah. I don't know the protocol in it, but I've done seven of those journeys there. Like, big names have been there. I don't want to do any name dropping, but some massive names have been on there.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

Private and Confidential. Can't find any information on it on the Internet, but literally, it changed my life.

[Podcast Host]

Whoa.

[Mark Jennison]

Like, that whole topic to the point where, like, I did more in one journey than I did in the seven years, six years prior, or seven years prior to that in my self development.

[Podcast Host]

Dang. Okay. That's a surprising answer to me because I thought you were going to say you were fully Holistic and natural. Okay.

[Mark Jennison]

I got to the point in 20. This started in 2022, so that I started doing psychedelics. I got to the point where my suicidal thoughts came back.

[Podcast Host]

This was two years ago.

[Mark Jennison]

Two years ago.

[Podcast Host]

You got three kids.

[Mark Jennison]

Three kids. I battled with suicidal thoughts since the time I was six, seven years old. Right.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. That early.

[Mark Jennison]

My brother, if he was here, would tell you when we were little, I would talk about wanting to kill myself laying in bed just for whatever reason.

[Podcast Host]

Dang.

[Mark Jennison]

But here's what I know. The first journey that I went on, it was like 12 hours. And it was long, beautiful, scary, dark, light. I don't know where I was at, but at the same time knew I'd been there before. And I got to a place where I could finally love myself. There was like this big vision of. I'll share one vision with you. So it was as big as you could see. Then think bigger. And it was my wife. And she was like laying on her side naked. And I could. There's a. Her foot and her calf and her knee and her leg and just laying there over there. And her hair was super long. And I jumped on her hair and I wrote her hair all the way down upper body, then down to like where she was standing like this. How you and I are right here. She's standing there naked with her hair down over her breast. And she says, I've been waiting for you. And in that moment, something broke open inside of my soul. I could finally. And it wasn't waiting for me. It was waiting for who. Who I was in that place. Finally revealed myself to me. And I was like, damn, I am worthy of love. To be able to go through the amount of stuff that I've been through, the trauma and the stuff that I felt and the pain that I felt and to be able to help these people. Because I thought. I didn't. I didn't think I was worthy of love. I was like, damn, I actually am love. And my whole world shifted. Damn, that was just tons. I mean, it's. That's just one piece.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap.

[Mark Jennison]

So I've done that seven times.

[Podcast Host]

That's important, man. So self love is. Is a game changer. I thought my whole life my dad didn't love me, to be honest. He never told me, like, with words. And he never gave me a hug. So he never showed me physical love. But I realized later on he didn't know how to love himself, dude. Because he had so much trauma as a kid growing up, his dad beat the out of Him.

[Mark Jennison]

Do you know how to love yourself?

[Podcast Host]

I would say I'm working on it. I don't know the answer yet.

[Mark Jennison]

So one of the things that when I. The first thing in my program or like day one is Love yourself.

[Podcast Host]

Mm.

[Mark Jennison]

It. It's interesting. Like we did. We have other stuff we teach, but like this one doc, this one video, Love yourself. And when I created it, I didn't even love myself, but I knew that I needed to. And it took me. That was 2018. It took me to 2022 to figure that piece out. Every day. Working on it. Working on it. Working on it. Working on it. This is a question I ask all the guys that I work with. If I had to ask you on a list of all the things you love in your life, where are you at on that list?

[Podcast Host]

Whoa. That's a good ass question. Pretty, maybe like a girl, let's say third.

[Mark Jennison]

So at least you're on that list, bro. And you're up high. Most dudes not. They always give me a zero.

[Podcast Host]

Whoa.

[Mark Jennison]

Like, I'm not even on this list.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. Yeah, I put my fiance and my. My parents on there and then me.

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah. These guys put freaking sports, like family, obviously. But, like, you just keep going down, like, to Doritos to drink, you know, there's putting stuff on there, man. I don't even love myself. I'm just joking. But they're not even on the list.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Mark Jennison]

It's a massive problem then. Like, most dudes that I work with are very, like, type A individual tough guys. Yeah, Specifically a lot of, like, special forces guys as well. So they don't want to talk about it, but they're the ones that need it the most.

[Podcast Host]

Those guys got the most trauma, man.

[Mark Jennison]

Most trauma.

[Podcast Host]

Military guys need the love. Oh, man. They. They come out up after they're in the wars.

[Mark Jennison]

Absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. And there's no help for them or anything.

[Mark Jennison]

No.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I have a lot of them on the show and it sucks. Their suicide rates are insane.

[Mark Jennison]

You know, during company, we didn't have any. We had a bunch of special forces guys and a bunch of veterans. We didn't lose any to Covid, but we lost a handful to suicide.

[Podcast Host]

Damn. Yeah, their. Their rates are really high.

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah. My wife actually served in Afghanistan.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Mark Jennison]

So she's like. She's. She's 33 years old. She actually saw some combat and stuff like that. It's pretty cool. But I'll tell you what, sleeping next to somebody who had been blown. They got blown up and stuff. I hear her dreams.

[Podcast Host]

Damn.

[Mark Jennison]

It's wild.

[Podcast Host]

Ptsd, right? Yeah. And that stuff doesn't leave you ever showed up in your dreams? I used to get wicked nightmares, man. Every day.

[Mark Jennison]

I still do, actually. Interesting you just brought that up because through these last few journeys, they actually went away.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, wow. Dude, it used to be so gnarly, so vivid, right?

[Mark Jennison]

Vivid, real. Couldn't tell where I was at, but if I was. If it was really me or not me in these dreams, but just painful, man.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. When I was a stoner, I would get them every night. Dude, I don't know if there's a correlation to that, but, yeah, I cut weed out. That was. That was another one. They say it's not a gateway drug. I think it is.

[Mark Jennison]

I don't smoke weed.

[Podcast Host]

You've never smoked it?

[Mark Jennison]

I. I mean, of course I have, but my model back in the day was pots for.

[Podcast Host]

It wasn't strong enough for you? I mean, these days it's strong, though.

[Mark Jennison]

I would. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I mean, back in the 90s, yeah, that was ass. But these days, oh, my God, it's like 28 THC.

[Mark Jennison]

I mean, I just never was into it, so for me, it was like. I smoked meth and crack and drank and heroin and just like that. It sounds gross to even say out loud, but, like, that's where I was at in my.

[Podcast Host]

My life. Heroin's no joke, man. Holy crap.

[Mark Jennison]

I mean, I'm. I don't do anything anymore now.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

Except for those.

[Podcast Host]

You ever get a craving?

[Mark Jennison]

No.

[Podcast Host]

For alcohol or anything?

[Mark Jennison]

No, man. The biggest craving I get is for chocolate chip cookies.

[Podcast Host]

You got a sugar addiction.

[Mark Jennison]

I love. I love chocolate chip cookies. I eat the whole box.

[Podcast Host]

That's your weakness. It is.

[Mark Jennison]

It really is.

[Podcast Host]

I love it, man. Well, you got a show too, right? Podcast do.

[Mark Jennison]

Yeah, it's called the I'm a comeback podcast. My wife and I do it. I'll share this with you too, real quick. For the people on the outside. My wife. Why? Why I want to bring this up on this call or on this. This podcast right now. So important to say this alcohol impacts people who don't even drink too. Okay. Because her brother and her dad both died drinking themselves to. Drank themselves. Her brother got an accident. Bad.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Mark Jennison]

And the dad drank himself to death two weeks before my father in law. Two weeks before we got married.

[Podcast Host]

Whoa.

[Mark Jennison]

Okay, so what? I share this with you and I'm on this. This podcast. I had three people die in my life. She had two people. There's. There's like synchronicity in the numbers. Like the dates and all the ages and stuff that it was. I believe that God put her here in my life to. To help me go change the world. She doesn't have a drinking problem, but she felt the loss. I was the problem. So we can help people in such a massive way.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Mark Jennison]

And why I'm saying that to you is because there's people also listening who've been affected or lost somebody. Right. And they just need to know that it's going to be okay and they can come back from anything as well.

[Podcast Host]

Beautiful, man. I love that so much. Yeah, I'm big on purpose. So it sounds like you guys are soul mates.

[Mark Jennison]

100. She did a journey back to the psychedelics. She did a journey with me. We did a couple's journey.

[Podcast Host]

Nice.

[Mark Jennison]

Clearly no beautiful dude together.

[Podcast Host]

Where do people get your coaching and keep up with you and find the podcast and everything, man.

[Mark Jennison]

So podcast is going to be on just Apple and Spotify and stuff like that. But I am a comeback.com if you're interested in booking a call to talk with us about taking back control of alcohol over your life. It's I a M a C O M E b a c k.com or you can find me on social media. Mark Jennison. All right. Actually, I am Mark Jennison is my name now.

[Podcast Host]

We'll link it below. Thanks for coming on, Mark.

[Mark Jennison]

Absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. That was impactful. Thanks for watching, guys. Hopefully this resonated with you or someone you know. See you guys next time.

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