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The Entrepreneurial Journey Behind Stem Cell Breakthroughs | Dawne Russell DSH #1383
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Dawn
Let's go. Yeah, I'm not surprised like that.
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Interviewer
You know, that's a hot thing right now.
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Dawn
Oh, damn, is it ever right? I'll be taking this back to, you know, I, I told, I tell Tina, I'm like, I call her headquarters. Like, I would take this back to headquarters. She'll be like, of course. Okay, what are we doing? Penises. Let's go.
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Interviewer
Take it back there. Because guys will be your biggest word of mouth marketing after you give them that one.
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Dawn
Yeah, no doubt. No, yeah, no doubt.
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Interviewer
Okay, guys, got Don here today. We're going to talk stem cells and psychedelics.
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Dawn
Yeah.
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Interviewer
What a combo, huh?
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Dawn
Such a good combo.
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Interviewer
It's amazing. I got to learn how you stumbled across this business.
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Dawn
Yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, so I've got a background in medical aesthetics. I'm a medical esthetician, and I had a big medical aesthetics clinic. And the second one that I had, I built that from the ground up. And for about five and a half years, I just worked myself to the bone. You know, when you start a new business, that's. That's what it takes, right? There's really no shortcuts. So I just got to the point where I was, you know, getting pretty burnt out. But I had a. I had a couple clients that I had been doing treatments on, you know, like laser resurfacing and that kind of stuff. So that's where I really started to kind of tap into stem cells because they were in their, like, late 60s, early 70s. And, you know, I would do like a resurfacing treatment, a laser treatment on Rita, and she would just heal so quick. I'm thinking as you get older, your epidermis takes a little bit longer to heal. So, you know, she'd roll in to get some sunscreen or something. I look at her face, and I was like, what's happening here? Why are you healing so quickly? So she eventually said to me, she said, well, listen, we've been going to Costa rica since our 40s, and we've been doing full body umbilical cord stem cell therapy. So that's where it really just kind of tapped into. And I thought, okay. And now it's kind of making sense because not only did these two heal really quick, but they were vibrant. Never sick. You could just, like, they moved really well. So I thought, okay. So I really started to, like, tap into that. And my partner at the time, my medical director of my clinic, he had a background in vascular surgery. And, you know, he was doing Botox and filler and all the stuff in the clinic. And I went up, I said, andrew, we need to do stem cells. And he said, what do you mean, do stem cells? I said, we need to do, like, full body umbilical cord stem cell therapy. And he said, oh, yeah, no, we're not allowed. I said, what do you mean we're not allowed? So we can't do that in Canada. Like, you can't. I think we can do localized injections. And I said, well, why not? He said, oh, I'm sure you'll tell me, because I'm just that kind of person. I'm like, hey, I need to dig into this. So over the next couple years, I started to really do a lot of personal research into it. And, you know, I'm from Vancouver, Canada, and it's. It was just kind of roadblock after roadblock after roadblock. You know, I'm not a doctor or anything like that, so I only had limited access to that kind of stuff. So, you know, I kind of let it go, but I really kept researching it still. So lo and behold, a few years later, I just got super burnt out. And I was like, man, I gotta go and go on a vacay and get a little bit of work life balance back. You know, like, what can I do where I can go and just chill out? I knew I couldn't go to a yoga retreat because, you know, back then I was pretty alpha, a type. I'm like, I need to go somewhere where I cannot control the program. I'll be running that shit by the end of the week. I'm like, I need to go somewhere. And. And a friend of mine had told me about ayahuasca. And so I thought, you know what? I'm gonna try this. And like, just a little sidebar on me. Like, I'm ultra vanilla. Never done a drug in my life. Barely take Tylenol. Like, I am. Like, when people heard I was doing this, they're like, holy smokes. Especially my son, you know, he's a Professional hockey player. He's like, mom, do you know what you're going to do? I said, yeah, I think this is what I need. So down to Costa Rica I go, and I did a week of ayahuasca and lo and behold, the place that I went to had a stem cell therapy clinic.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Dawn
Sight. I know. So I was like. And by that time I had done about five years research, so I was really dialed in and I was like, hey, this is epic. Like, cool. So I did my week there and I came back home totally total life changing for me. Came back home and about three months later, they reached out to me and said, hey, would you ever consider coming down here and working with us? I thought to myself, what am I going to do in an ayahuasca retreat? Like, you know, and they said, well, we would love for you to work in our stem cell clinic. And I, I just sat there, I'm like, okay, I have to do this. So, you know, I took a couple days to think about it and I thought, you know, I'm gonna sell my clinic because I can't be down in Costa Rica for half the year and be here running a successful clinic. So I sold my clinic, wrapped that deal up in about five months, and off to Costa Rica I went. And I was there for two years.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Dawn
And it was amazing. So I got to work in the stem cell clinic.
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Every day pretty much for two years. We did about 30 to 40 treatments a week. So I really got to see the benefits of what stem cells do. So, you know, I'm kind of in that position where it's like, you're not a doctor, you know, you're not this, you're not that. I'm like, yeah, but I got the experience and I do it myself. And I've seen it like firsthand, you know, like it's just within 24 hours.
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Interviewer
Back where.
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Dawn
Yeah, like people with really bad rheumatoid arthritis, inflammation, pain, generally gone next day. Like I've seen this, like week after week after week for two years. And I'm such an experience based person. Like, I'm that type where I'm gonna prove it to me. You gotta prove it to me. If I'm gonna talk about it or do it, like, I gotta know that it works. So we saw. Well, I saw everything that two years from chronic pain, you know, like, like disc regeneration, autoimmune, lime Crohn's, like just tons of things. And I kind of did my own research because the place that I was at didn't really do a lot of, like, pre and post research on the treatments, but I stayed in contact with a lot of the clients from there because I really. Because I'm like, okay, well, this is cool. And I'm seeing this within 24 hours. But, like, what's the long term on stem cell therapy? Like, what's the long term going to be? And I'm still in contact with these people and they feel amazing. And it's just so, you know, I. I was there for two years. I ended up coming back. I have two amazing business partners, which is a doctor and a nurse, you know, So I got my heavies with me now, but I met them down there and they came and did stem cell therapy. So they were down there to do ayahuasca. And they actually ended up doing stem cells with me when they were there because I was doing all the education and the consultations and whatnot. And Tina, my business partner, Dr. Hills, she looked at me and she's like, how the hell, like, no offense, but like, I'm an ER dog for the last two decades. How the hell do I not know about this? And she's from Texas, you know. And I said, well, I've got my ideas as to why, because if I told you what I'm about to tell you and how much I've seen that this heals and fix things. That's why.
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Interviewer
So you have business.
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Dawn
Yeah. And she had been a power lifter back in the day, so she had been dealing with, like, chronic back pain for years.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Dawn
So she's like, you know what? I'm doing this. Like, I really want to do this. So she did. The stem cells, sure enough, gone.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Dawn
Yeah. So, you know, I got. I got back home and I ended up leaving Costa Rica and I came back home. You know, I have two kids. My daughter just had a baby. So I'm like, I gotta get back home. I can't be like that hippie grandma that, like, lives down in Costa Rica. And so I came back, I guess almost a year and a half ago now, and Tina reached out to me and said, hey, you know, like, we're thinking about getting into this. Like, this changed my life. And she said, you know, I've been a doctor now for over two decades in the er, and she said, and I really want to help people heal. Like, I want to. I want to help them with this. I just don't want to be putting them on a bunch of pharmaceutical drugs and managing their symptoms. Like, I really want to help them in this, like, last leg of, you know, work for me. So I said, girl, I'm in, like, what are we going to do? What's this going to look like? And so what we've done is we've put together like little clinics, you know, so it's. We can't do it in Canada, so you cannot. Localized injections are what they allow in Canada. Typically they're from your own. Like you can get donor cells in Canada, but typically they have. You harvest them from your bone marrow or your fat, which is stem cells, is not even doing what they're supposed to be doing in the first place. So essentially to me, it's like a cortisone shot really, you know, when you're doing that kind of thing. So we offer it in the US only. And the nice thing about the US is here you. They've got something called the research and development model. So we're able to operate, operate under that. But we're not allowed to say it heals anything. We're not allowed to call it a treatment. We have to call it therapy. But we don't, we don't care because we're like, you know what, we'll call it a therapy. We won't claim that it heals anything, although it does. And we'll just roll.
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Interviewer
Yeah, your customers will talk about it.
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Dawn
Yeah, 100%. Well, because the results are just unbelievable.
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Interviewer
Better than any pill, I'd imagine.
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Dawn
Yeah, yeah. So, you know, I'm, I'm the one that. It's like, I've had so much experience with it that it's like, people will try to like, what about this and what about this and what about that? And I'm like, you know, there's all sorts of things that come up just because people aren't really educated on it. And a lot of Canadian doctors, like, they're not even allowed to talk about it.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Dawn
Right. They're not even allowed to like, you know, one. I've got some very good friends that are doctors and they're like, we want to refer clients to you, Don. But like, we risk losing our license and we are not allowed to be. I know, so. And I'm like, okay, well you don't have to tell them that. You, you know, I'm like, just get them over here. So we do it in the US So we're doing it in Birch Bay, Washington, New York, Vegas.
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Interviewer
Oh, nice. Vegas.
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Dawn
Yeah. So we're doing pop up clinics. Okay. And the nice thing about us is we just, we want to travel like we're all in a position where we can really kind of do what we want, and that's what we love. Right. It's like we went to New York, we just, like, we did a concierge, you know, service for a group of people saying, it's like, yeah, we'll come to you. And that's the other way of keeping our costs down as well, you know, because you can go to Central America and there's some amazing stem cell clinics out there, because, you know, stem cell therapy in Central America is normal medical practice.
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Interviewer
Really?
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Dawn
Like, when you tell them over there, this is not offered, like, broadly offered in the US Or Canada, they're like, why? It's the best thing on the planet.
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Narrator
What?
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Dawn
Really? Yeah, like, it's a little too healing.
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Interviewer
They don't have a big pharma over there.
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Dawn
That's right, exactly. They do, but it's a very se. You know, it's not. There's not the big cahoots like there is here.
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Interviewer
Yeah. Because of the insurance, probably.
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Dawn
Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah.
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Interviewer
Have you seen the urine stem cells stuff, too?
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Dawn
Yeah, I actually saw that on your podcast. I was looking.
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Interviewer
I wonder how. How that effectiveness is compared to, like, the umbilical cord.
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Dawn
Yeah, well, you know, and I don't. I can't really speak to that because I haven't done a lot of research into that, actually. Just listen to that on your podcast. That would be something Dr. Hills would definitely be able to, like, know, you know, right off the cuff. But I don't know, like, the efficacy of them once they're in urine. Like, I don't know if they would be. I don't know. That's interesting. I will look into it, though, because I saw that. I thought this is. This is interesting, you know, but there's so much more in urine. Right. That you're. That you. You got to contend with other than just doing pure umbilical cord stem cells, so.
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Interviewer
Yeah, absolutely. How often are you getting stem cells on you?
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Dawn
I did them about two and a half months ago. So I. And then before that, about three years.
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Interviewer
Okay.
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Dawn
So I do them basically for preventative. So, you know, because before you have anything going on in your body, you, like, you have symptoms, and that's when you know. So you never really know if anything's going on until you have the symptoms. So, you know, stem cells, they go in and they address. The cool thing about them is they go in and they address things that you know about, but also things that you don't. Right. So I'm a big preventative, and so I'll probably do them once every, like, three years.
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Interviewer
Smart.
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Dawn
Something like that.
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Interviewer
You'll stack a little ayahuasca.
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Dawn
Yeah, yeah, I've done 54. That's the most, right?
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Interviewer
That's the most I've heard by probably 10x.
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Dawn
Oh, really? Okay.
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Interviewer
That might be a record.
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Dawn
Yeah. Well, you know what the crazy part is, is I have worked with people there that have done hundreds.
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Interviewer
No way.
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Dawn
Hundreds, yes, hundreds of ceremonies. I know. Like, I'm like a baby bird, I guess. Yeah. There's people that have been like, in. I'm talking in the hundreds.
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Interviewer
I believe there's diminishing returns at that point, though.
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Dawn
That's a slip. It can be a slippery slope. So when you're doing that much plant medicine, one of the biggest things with doing psychedelics and plant medicine is to make sure you're doing the integration, right? So you can do these plant medicine ceremonies. And then it's like, then you, you know, you tap in because, you know, you tap into your subconscious mind when you're in that. And then you got to come back to this reality and you got to function here, but you can't unknow what you just went through. So integration is really, really. It's a big component. So when you're going into something like that, especially like we do medically led plant medicine therapy, like for trauma, and it's really important that, you know, you help people process.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Dawn
You know, because sometimes it can be a little tough to be in this reality, and you're like, you know, because you go back and you can see certain things. And so, yeah, integration is huge. Now, when you get into the people that are doing a lot of, like, say, ayahuasca, for example, say in hundreds of ceremonies, they're not taking time to do the integration. It can go the opposite direction, can inflate the ego. Right. And then you've got like. It's almost like you're dealing with this big, dark, heavy energy.
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Interviewer
Right, Right.
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Dawn
Because you have to integrate that. Because if not, it's kind of like just stacks and stacks and stacks. Um, so, you know, I. I don't know a ton about that. I recently, you know, kind of ran into a situation like that. But a really good friend of mine, she's a clinical psychologist and psychotherapist, and she deals with a lot of people that journey in plant medicine. So one of the things that she is, you know, really adamant about, which we practice as well. It's like, before you do Any sort of therapy with her, you have to have an integration plan in place. No, she's like, it doesn't have to be with me, but they have to do that.
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Interviewer
That's cool.
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Dawn
Because that's where you really get the benefits. Like, you know, you take the wisdom that you learned and you apply it into your life.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Dawn
Here. Right.
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Interviewer
You got to do your due diligence on the retreats, too. Right. Because there's a lot of scams and stuff.
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Dawn
100%. Yeah. Like, you really want to make sure where you're going is safe. And, you know, one of the biggest things is people don't understand, but there's medications that you can't be on. Like, SSRI is like, you got to make sure that you're off of certain medications, you know, because ayahuasca is no joke.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Dawn
You know, and it's produces dmt, so there's all sorts of stuff going on. So, you know, with retreats, you just really want to make sure that there's a medical team. Right. Like there is in Costa Rica. There's a few, you know, some that are just medically led. There should always be a medical intake. You really want to make sure you're doing it with a shaman. Not Ted from Seattle that claims to be a shaman. It's coming to North Bend, and he's doing ayahuasca in someone's basement.
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Interviewer
What?
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Dawn
Like, you'd be shocked. People do that, you know, because these people, you know, they. They're. They're pretty convincing, right? Like, they're pretty convincing because this is. This plant medicine space is just really becoming a thing right now. And there's a lot of people that are kind of getting into it and wanting to capitalize on it.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Dawn
So you just really got to be careful.
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Interviewer
Yeah. I'm doing ayahuasca. I want to be in a jungle.
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Dawn
Yeah.
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Interviewer
I don't want to get a dark basement.
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Dawn
No. You want to be with the Colombians or whatever, you know, someone that actually knows what they're doing.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Dawn
And, you know, because it can really be an amazing, beautiful thing.
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Interviewer
I've seen it heal a lot of trauma.
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Dawn
Yep.
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Interviewer
Which everyone has these days.
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Dawn
Yep. Everybody's got something. Right. Like, whether it was just something as simple as being left in your crib as a baby to cry, you know, which. The old school baby boomers thought that was a thing. Like, you know, working. I worked in Ceremony. I worked in ayahuasca Ceremony for probably about a year when I was there. And it's like, when you Sit with people and you talk to them after. It's like, everybody's trauma is so different.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Dawn
And what would be, like, nothing to say you or me was huge to them at that time. Right. Like, and a lot of people's brains. Well, everybody's brains are developing from the time they're born to about 14, like, solidly. So, you know, there's a lot of trauma that goes on in that first, like, seven years especially.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Dawn
So, yeah, that's what ayahuasca helps you tap back into that kind of those areas.
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Interviewer
And which one of your 54 stands out to you the most? Oh, let me see the first one.
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Dawn
Oh, you know, they're. This one probably stands out the most. There was the night I was in ceremony, and.
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I There. It was loud, just loud in my ceremony. And I was sitting there, and, you know, the medicine said to me, listen, just chill out. Because what happens was I was. I'm a total control freak, you know, I mean, I never lose control. I like to be in control. And the medicine said to me, you know, if you just sit and get quiet, just chill out and just sit with trust. Just trust. And she said, and then I'm gonna make you feel like you've never felt in your life. So a lot of the time in ayahuasca, when you'd start to get that really good sensation, like, we're not used. Most people aren't used to feeling that good. Right. Like, because, you know, you think about the food, you think about lifestyle. Like, most of us don't even know how crummy we actually feel. So that ceremony, I sat there and I'm not kidding you, Sean, for, like, two hours, like a Buddha sat in ceremony. And my boyfriend was working in ceremony that night, and he's like, babe, where did you go? Like, you were like, literally, like a statue. I said, I know. Like, I turned into, like, that concrete statue that's outside. And I just was, like, sat there for, like, two hours. And then I had the most amazing feeling throughout my whole body. And by that time, I was able to not panic, to be like, hey, what the hell is. Is this? And that was really profound for me because I actually just was able to sit, got really quiet. I'm like, okay, I'm going to trust this. I'm not going to try to figure it out. Can never figure out ayahuasca. Everybody tries to make sense of it. And it's one of those things where it's like, don't try to make sense of it because you're just not going to be able to. Yeah, and that one really stood out to me. You know, it's like when we get really quiet, we quiet our minds. Sometimes you can go to the most beautiful place. So.
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Interviewer
Absolutely.
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Dawn
That was a big one for me. And I remember that one often. Like, you know, I do daily meditation and I kind of go back to that ceremony, and I'm just like, okay, yeah. And I can go into that same place of feeling unreal. So that was a big one for me.
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Interviewer
Did you see aliens on that one?
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Dawn
No, I've never seen aliens on any.
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Interviewer
Of the 54, no. Because a lot of people see. Yeah, they see something.
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Dawn
They see some cool stuff. And one of the cool things about ayahuasca is, you know, so the place that I was at, we did about 100 people a week. So, like, I know anywhere between, like, say, 50 to 100. Mostly 100, right? So you've got a hundred people doing ayahuasca together. So when you talk to people and week after week, it's like they kind of say, saw the same things, Right? You know, like, there's, for instance, there's these little minions, right? And that. Or there's like this huge octopus, or there's this, like, praying mantis. So it's like, week after week, I'm like, okay, this. People are seeing the same things in this, and it's people that don't know each other. So, yeah, there's some cool stuff. I never saw anything like that. I mean, I saw some cool stuff. You know, there was actually one night where I was in Ceremony, and I thought, I'm, you know, I'm feeling okay. I'm gonna go back to my room. I. I think I'm done with ceremony. And I worked there. So, like, typically, you can't go back to your room. You gotta wait till ceremony is over. But I was like, I'm fine. I'll go back to my room. And I went over to my boyfriend. I said, babe, I'm go back to the room. Like, I'm good. He's like, you're not going back to the room. He's like, it's like midnight. You're not. You need to stay here. He's like, just go chill by the fire. So I'm like, okay. Because the cool thing about Ayahuasca, too, is you kind of feel, like, coherent. You know what I mean? Like, so it's like you kind of like, oh, okay, I'm good. So I went out to the fire and I laid on the Concrete bench. And I'm laying there, and all of a sudden I could see this village in the grass. Like a fully functioning little village of like. I'm like, I'm not okay to go back to her Holy good thing you made me stay. And, you know, and it was one of those things where it's like, it just looks like this. Like, it wasn't, like, you know, trippy. I've never done any sort of psychedelic whether I really see that. Like, trippy, whatever. So I don't really have anything to compare it to, but, you know, like, you know, there's pintas and ayahuasca and like, you know, the kaleidoscope stuff. And I. I never saw any of that. I know people would tell me, I'm like, damn, I haven't seen that. I really want to see.
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Interviewer
I wonder why some people see it and others don't.
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Dawn
Yeah, I don't know.
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Interviewer
Interesting.
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Dawn
Yeah, it is interesting, that. But, you know, quite a few people do see it, and then there's quite a few people that don't, right? So everybody. Everyone's so unique and so different, so. And never is there a ceremony that's the same. You would think you would kind of start to get used to it. Every single one is different. They're never the same.
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Interviewer
Different in what way?
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Dawn
Every way. Sometimes it can be the most beautiful, amazing, fantastic night, and then the next nights, you're in the depths of hell. Like, I'm not even kidding. You're like, oh, there was so many times. I'm like, I'm never doing this again. Like, babe, we got to go back to Canada. We got to go home. This shit's crazy. Crazy, you know, and then it's like, okay, what day am I going to do it? Next week. So working there, I. I drank sometimes once or twice a week. So that's why I was able to, you know, do so many ceremonies. But one thing with me is just in. Instinctively, I knew I needed to do the integration because I'm such a prove it to me person. Like, I didn't try to figure everything out. But, you know, there was things, times where I'd come out of ceremony and I'd be like, what the hell was that? And then six months later, something comes up and I'm like, ah, okay. Because it's not always four right now, right? It can be like, for now, a week later, six months later, two years later.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Dawn
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
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Interviewer
I believe in that, too. I think everything happens for a reason, 100%. Some people want it instantly, but it takes time for certain things.
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Dawn
Yeah, exactly. It took you however long to get where you're at. Like, it's. You know. So, yeah, it's just. It's pretty cool.
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Interviewer
That is cool.
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Dawn
Yeah.
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Interviewer
I hope they look more into it in the US Psychedelics and maybe legalize some of them.
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Dawn
I'm hoping so, because, you know, for, like, PTSD and trauma, one of the most amazing things. And the place where I was at, we had a ton of, like, war veterans. You know, a ton of people come through that were a lot of them suicidal, that were just having a really hard time living after what they had gone through. And, I mean, there's probably, like, three or four guys that really stick out in my mind that, you know, at the end of a ceremony, people can share if they want. And, you know, one gentleman in particular came in, and he had tried to commit suicide a couple times. He had watched his best friend get blown up, his wife get blown up. And he's like, I just don't want to be here anymore, man. Like, this is my last hope. And by the end of that week, he stood up, and he's like, I am so happy to be alive. And, you know, he forgave himself and just so it was really. It's really transformative, you know, when you can really sit with something like that and tap in and, you know, really, like, go inside and, you know, because one of his big things that he shared is, like, you know, like, I was allowed to kill women and children and for what, you know, and it's like, that was powerful, you know, because he had this guilt. And so by the end of that week, he was forgiving himself. He was feeling amazing.
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Interviewer
We're just like, I love that.
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Dawn
I know, right? And, you know, you think of how many. How many people struggle, you know, especially in the U.S. i mean, Canada, we don't. We don't really have, like, the big military, you know, anything like that. So we don't. We don't really hear a lot of that there. But in the U.S. i mean, there is. And a lot of the people that came to where I was at 90 were Americans.
- [23:38]
Interviewer
Really?
- [23:38]
Dawn
Yep.
- [23:38]
Interviewer
Damn.
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Dawn
We got some healing to do. But they're doing the work, you know, like, they're doing the work. It's not. It's not easy.
- [23:46]
Interviewer
Yeah.
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Dawn
You know, like, that is not a party. It's not a vacation. It's not a party. It's serious work. And it's. It's pretty awesome.
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Interviewer
America might have the most trauma out of anyone.
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Dawn
No doubt.
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Interviewer
Geez.
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Dawn
Yeah.
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Interviewer
Even though we got all this money, we just. Mental health out here is terrible.
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Dawn
Yeah. And that's one of the big things with us. You know, like, we're. We want to get people back to a place where they're feeling good, their bodies are feeling good. And, you know, we coach them not only with the regenerative medicine, but like, we coach them with like, breathwork and meditation and really like a lifestyle as well. And, you know, like, with doing the medically led, you know, plant medicine therapy. It's been amazing, you know, and the biggest thing for me is safety. Right. So, you know, I have a lot of Canadian clients and friends, and I recruit a lot of Canadians to come down and see us in Birch Bay, Washington. And that's the big thing. It's like, you know, my business partner is an ER doc, ER nurse. They're both so incredibly wise and have so much. And they. And they've done ayahuasca. You know, I think. I don't know, I think each of them have done maybe about 12 ceremonies. But, you know, they really. They're Those real, like, Dr. Hills is like your. Your real doctor. Like, she's also an osteo doc. So she gets into your body and manipulates her organs and like, helps you to, you know, figure out what stuck. And so we prepare the body so she'll do a 90 minute body work session. Like an osteo energetic body work session. Prepare your body. So, like, she'll get in, she'll be in people's shoulder blades so deep. And she'll be like, what are you. What is this? Right? And we'll just have people releasing. Releasing trauma.
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Interviewer
I need that.
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Dawn
Yeah, I know, right? And she's just like. It's the most amazing thing to watch. You know, I kind of joke. I'm like. I'm like the water girl. I'm the assistant. And I just. But I learned so much watching her work. So we love that. We pride ourselves on that is really preparing the body and. And then doing the stem cells. But also, you know, having the integration. We have to have that because people are really processing a lot of emotion. Right. There's so much emotion when you get into their body. And because, you know, a lot of trauma, a lot of people hold that in their tissue.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Dawn
You know, and so you're holding that. Like some people hold it in their shoulders, you know, stomach, wherever. So she gets into the body and it's like she just. She just zones in on it.
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Interviewer
I love that. I love how you incorporate both, like, their physical and the spiritual.
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Dawn
Yeah.
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Interviewer
A lot of doctors focus on Juan.
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Dawn
Exactly. And managing the symptoms. Like, you know, Tina, like, we get to the root, we're like, okay. But it's like, we start with the body, right? So it's like, okay, let's work. Like, let's find out what's really. What's the problem. What's the real problem here? So we get into their body and, you know, get them talking and get them processing things and then coach them from there, too, because a lot of people come in and they're like, holy. I don't know. I don't know why I just talked about that or what's going on. But, like, hold. Now what? We're like, we got you. Don't worry. And that's where integration is so important, you know? And. And her and Troy know the body so incredibly well. And, you know, they coach on diet, like a mindful practice. And we're all kind of crazy nuts. We cold plunge, do breath work, meditation, you know, I was just telling them, I'm like, rain Man. I have the same routine. Like, man, I do the same shit every single day. And we left Texas. We left Houston yesterday. And I didn't have time to get a coffee. And I'm like, that's part of my routine. I get up in the morning, I make my coffee. I journal, I read. I do my meditation. I cold plunge, and I couldn't get a coffee because we were running a bit behind. So then we finally get to the airport. Starbucks. I grab a Starbucks. They messed up my order, so I'm like, God damn. So go get another one. Messed it up again. So I'm like, screw it. I'm just gonna. Whatever.
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Interviewer
Yeah, that's a sign at that point.
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Dawn
It is. And they put a bunch of vanilla syrup in, and I'm like, I cannot drink this. So I threw it out. Then we get on the plane, and the plane was delayed two hours.
- [27:31]
Interviewer
Geez.
- [27:31]
Dawn
So we're sitting on the plane for two hours. No coffee service. So I'm just sitting there going, holy. And Tina's looking at me. She's like, you're pretty good, considering. And I'm like, man, you know? But, like, I just have that routine, like, routine, routine, routine. And, you know, and it serves me right, because that's how I start my day.
- [27:49]
Interviewer
Yeah.
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Dawn
Every single day. I started with a really solid foundation, and I just get really quiet. Goes back to that ceremony and ayahuasca, and it's like, man, this is Where I'm going to start, you know, I really take care of my body and my mind and then I just go from there.
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Interviewer
That's the hardest part of the day. So if you can lock that in, you know, the rest of the day is easy.
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Dawn
Yeah, well, cold plunging. There's days where I'm like, I'm crazy. Why am I doing this? Like, there's days where I will cold plunge. I've smashed the ice off of the top of my cold plunge and jumped in. And I'm like, everything else today is going to be so easy after doing this, you know, and you feel amazing. Like, it's the craziest, most amazing. Dopamine hit for like six hours, you know.
- [28:24]
Interviewer
So it's that long.
- [28:25]
Dawn
Yeah, if, if the temperature is the correct, you know, you can't be in like lukewarm. But yeah, like, you literally like. And I do like the hot and cold. So I'll sauna and do the cold plunging. You should always end on the cold. But just your body feels unreal. And so, I mean, actually someone said to me that you get. I've never done cocaine in my life.
- [28:46]
Interviewer
Someone said, what a line right there.
- [28:49]
Dawn
That you get that same, same feeling. Like that initial same feeling, but for like a six hour period. Why, why aren't these people that are addicted to cocaine cold plunging, like legit.
- [28:59]
Interviewer
You should put that on a shirt right now.
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Dawn
I know, right?
- [29:01]
Interviewer
No, I got to start cold plunging.
- [29:04]
Dawn
All right.
- [29:04]
Interviewer
I got a pool, but it's amazing. It's actually really hot now, so I don't think that would work anymore. But maybe I'll buy a tub.
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Dawn
Yeah, do it.
- [29:10]
Interviewer
I got a sauna already. That's a game changer.
- [29:12]
Dawn
Oh, it's such a game changer. It's not. I did that this morning. Like I just saw and I do my meditation. I'm a microdoser, so I, I'm. I microdose mushrooms.
- [29:20]
Interviewer
Oh, yeah.
- [29:20]
Dawn
Five on, two off. And I'll just, you know, take my microdose. I'll go sit in the sauna. And most of the time that's where I just get into my meditation, is in there. Do that for like 30 minutes and then do the cold plunge. And yeah, like it's such a game. And it's so good for you too, right? Like, so good.
- [29:36]
Interviewer
I love microdosing.
- [29:37]
Dawn
Yeah, I know, Me too. I've started doing it now probably. I guess I've been like solid microdoser for. I don't know, I want to say like maybe eight or ten Months.
- [29:45]
Interviewer
Okay.
- [29:46]
Dawn
Yeah. Love it.
- [29:47]
Interviewer
I need to start getting into a routine with it because I'm just off and on with it.
- [29:51]
Dawn
Yeah. And, you know, it's one of the things where a lot of people will say to me, well, what am I going to feel? Or what am I going to see? Or, you know, or. Or they're nervous because they're like, geez, I got to work today. I'm like, yeah, but that's the point. You can. You're not going to be seeing anything. You're not. You're not having a party, you're not getting high, you're not going to start to see weird things. I said, you know, one of the biggest things for me with microdosing is, you know, I just feel that it's. It just kind of helps you to process things better, slows things down. You're much more present. And, you know, with how busy I am and all the things that I have going on, I just find that it's like, it grounds me. Right? Like, it just. It's fantastic and kind of like smooths me out a little bit. You know, I said to my boyfriend one day, I said, babe, can you tell when I'm not microdosing? He's like, oh, yeah. So the. How he's like, you're just a little more hardcore. He's like, when you're microdosing, you know, a little bit nicer.
- [30:38]
Interviewer
You're more locked in.
- [30:39]
Dawn
Yeah, exactly.
- [30:40]
Interviewer
It's like a natural ADDERALL, People.
- [30:41]
Dawn
So a 100. And, you know, I. One of the big things, too is that's another thing with microdosing mushrooms, is that's a huge train everyone's wanting to capitalize on right now. Right. And that's another thing. It's like, if you're going to be microdosing, like, really look into who. Who the founder is. Like, what's their. Why? You know, I'm working with a guy, his name is Keegan Downer, and he owns a company called Mindful Meds. And I talked to him a number of times before I started taking his mushrooms because I wanted to know. I'm like, what's your background? Like, how did you stumble across this? Like, what's your. What's your motivation? Right. And it's really important because I feel that the mushrooms really hold the energy of who's at the top, you know? So for me, you know, he's just that he's unreal and he's super knowledgeable. He's got a great story, you know, and he really, truly wants to help people heal. And that's why I was like, bro, we're gonna collab. Like, we're gonna. So we refer a lot of people to his website because we also try to get people on that as well.
- [31:42]
Interviewer
Yeah, right.
- [31:42]
Dawn
So it's part of, like, that mindful. You know, it's great. You can come and do stem cells with us, and we can get you in real good shape, but you want to maintain it, right? Like, that's the thing. So, yeah, it's been a. It's been a huge thing.
- [31:54]
Interviewer
No, I love that mindset because the quality of the supplement or whatever you're taking with, like, stem cells or mushrooms, you need to do your research 100%.
- [32:01]
Dawn
And, you know, my daughter just had a baby seven weeks ago now, and grandmother. I know, right? I know. There's days where I'm just like, whoa. Holy. I'm a grandma. My name's Go Go. They call me. She. She's. She's like, mom, you're always on the go. You're going to be Go Go. I'm like, I'll take it. And. And, you know, my daughter had a little bit of postpartum, you know, because she had a pretty, you know, pretty crazy labor. And so she's. But, you know, got into this postpartum. It was struggling a little bit. So, anyways, I'm there with her because I stayed with her for about three and a half, four weeks. And.
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So the doctor writes the prescription, and I call. We FaceTime Tina and Troy, because they were in Texas, we were in Canada. And I said, hey, you guys, this is what the doctor has prescribed for Cass breastfeeding mom with a baby that's three weeks old. Tina looked at that and said, do not take that. That baby is getting 4% of that dosage. She's brand new. It's going to mess up her development. Do not. She's. She prescribed that to her.
- [33:01]
Interviewer
Wow.
- [33:02]
Dawn
I said, yeah. And she's like, that is an intense antidepressant. You have to be very careful starting, very careful getting off. And I said, well, the crazy part is, is the doctor actually told her, you know, you should stay on it for six months and then make sure that you're actually in a good state for another six months. So I'm like. So they're basically saying, stay on it for a year.
- [33:18]
Interviewer
Jeez.
- [33:19]
Dawn
So anyways, you know, my poor daughter is like a new mom. She's, like, going through the emotions, and she's like, mom, like, man, what am I going to do here. And I'm like, you know what, man? You got a microdose? And then she goes, well, is it safe? I said, it's going to be safer than that pharmaceutical drug that they were just going to put you on. So, of course, you know, I called Keegan, and he's like, listen, I can't tell you yes or no to do it or not to do it. And I said, if your wife was going through this, what would you give her? He's like, hey, if. And she's not. You know, he's very. This is what I would give her. So I said, send it, ship it. And so Cass has been microdosing and taking functional mushrooms for probably, I don't know, like, four weeks. And she's doing fantastic.
- [33:59]
Interviewer
Wow.
- [34:00]
Dawn
Amazing. And it's one of those things. She's like, mom, I can't Google. Like, there's nothing's coming up. I said, of course. Nothing's coming up. Of course. You know, I said, and she's on a super low microdose, but she's on a stack of functional mushrooms and, like, a small microdose. And I said, I would much rather, even if that, you know, that psilocybin is going into that breast milk a little bit. I would much rather that be going into my granddaughter than the heavy synthetic pharmaceutical.
- [34:24]
Interviewer
Yeah.
- [34:25]
Dawn
And so, you know, that was just, you know, one of those things where Cass looked at me. She's like, how the hell am I supposed to trust these guys? Tina and Troy are like, do not take that, man. You cannot take that. It's going to mess up that baby's development.
- [34:36]
Interviewer
A baby's going to be a genius.
- [34:37]
Dawn
Yeah, I know. Well, that's. I said it to Cass the other day. I said, hey, Cass. I'm like, scotty. Her name is Scotty. Like, that kid is going to be so dialed in. I'm like, shit. I know, right? I'm like. And Cass is like. She calls me. She's like, mom, I don't know if this is a thing, but I got ideas, man. Like, I got business ideas. She goes, I got so much shit going on, I don't have time to think about anything postpartum. So I just kind of sat back and I'm like, oh, yes, this is amazing.
- [34:58]
Interviewer
That's cool. You know, postpartum is a big issue, right, woman?
- [35:01]
Dawn
Huge issue. Yeah. And there's not a lot going around. Like, there's not a lot. You're not. You're not able to really find much on it, but, you know, it was such a, like an intuition thing for me. And at the end of the day, it wasn't my decision, it was hers. Yeah. And she said, you know what? I'm like, I'm good with this. I said, I'm good with it too. You know, and I looked at Tina and Troy. They're like, better than the pharmaceutical drug, I'll tell you that much. But you know, of course they're doctor and nurse, so they can't really say, yeah, do it. But they're like, better than that.
- [35:29]
Interviewer
Yeah.
- [35:29]
Dawn
So. And you know, we've noticed a huge difference.
- [35:32]
Interviewer
Well, just logically, with no side effects pretty much compared to. Oh my God, antidepressant side effects.
- [35:37]
Dawn
Yep. And you know, and she's got friends that are on like something called citrulline and they've been on it for years.
- [35:42]
Interviewer
Wow.
- [35:43]
Dawn
And you know, one girl's been on it for like years. She's like, oh, no, it doesn't really go into the breast milk. It's like, yes, it does. It goes, it like that baby's being, those babies are being affected by that. So, you know, what do you want? Do you want a synthetic pharmaceutical or do you want a little bit of psilocybin? You know, and I mean, ultimately, at the end of the day, there was a part of me that thought, well, maybe we should have nothing. But I'm like, I microdose, I feel amazing. And I'm starting to really do a lot of digging into it. And I'm like, and why not? You know, when you start to really do research and you find out that they're helping to like rewire neurotransmitters in the brain, Just the cool stuff. The cool stuff that they're doing with psilocybin is epic.
- [36:24]
Interviewer
Yeah. It's nuts.
- [36:24]
Dawn
I know. I love that we joke. We're like, hey, my granddaughter is going to be so dialed in. This kid's going to be next level.
- [36:29]
Interviewer
Yeah, I can't wait for that.
- [36:31]
Dawn
I know, right?
- [36:32]
Interviewer
What are the most combinations you're seeing for people that come in your clinics? Health wise, what are they dealing with?
- [36:37]
Dawn
Dealing with a ton of inflammation. Inflammation. You know, inflammation's at the base of pretty much everything. You know, inflammation, tons of autoimmune, a lot of self diagnosed mental health. Because that's the thing. Let's see. Yeah, that's, that's, those are the big ones. You know, that kind of almost covers it. I mean, inflammation typically is at the base of everything. So a lot of that, you know, lots of.
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You Know, like irritable bowel syndrome. Like, we're just seeing all sorts of autoimmune. And that's another thing that I saw in my two years in Costa Rica. A lot of autoimmune people coming back, you know, coming in on six or seven or ten medications. You know, they do their stem cells, they come back. I see them say six months later, they're like, I have no autoimmune and I'm on nothing. I know this is the. That's going on. Like, it's epic.
- [37:30]
Interviewer
When you were growing up, was autoimmune even common or.
- [37:33]
Dawn
No, nothing like that. There was no autism in our group of kids. There was a little bit of adhd, but that was kind of like, still kind of, you know, barely there. But as far as autoimmune, no. And I'm 48.
- [37:45]
Interviewer
Yeah.
- [37:45]
Dawn
You know, so it's like, I don't. That wasn't really a thing at all. But, you know, you got to think of how many vaccines they're giving these babies now, how food has changed, like, just how everything has changed over that time. Right. So all of this stuff is linked to all of that.
- [38:00]
Interviewer
I believe the autism rates are crazy right now. They are so crazy. They just updated the California numbers. I think 1 in 20 something now.
- [38:07]
Dawn
It is crazy. Like, legit. And there's a doctor, actually, his name is Dr. Neil Royden. And I know Joe Rogan, Mel Gibson, those guys, they've gone to him. He's got one of the biggest stem cell clinics in Panama. He's doing some epic stuff with autism.
- [38:21]
Interviewer
Really.
- [38:21]
Dawn
Like, he's, he's actually from. I believe he's from Tennessee originally, and he's got a clinic, you know, in the States here, a stem cell clinic. But he can't do what he's doing out in Panama. And he's, he's written a book called Stem Cells A Rising Tide, and he's doing some epic stuff with autism. You know, so we've actually got a couple clients that have children with autism, and we're gonna, we're gonna do our own. We're gonna get them. We're just stem cells. We're gonna do body work.
- [38:45]
Interviewer
Really.
- [38:46]
Dawn
We're gonna, we're gonna, like, take them on that journey and really do our own. Like, okay, let's see, you know, what we can do with these kids. So I'll, I'll keep you updated because we have, we have a couple that are going to come.
- [38:58]
Interviewer
I didn't know stem cells could even help with that. That's oh, that's a new thing. I'm here.
- [39:02]
Dawn
Stem cells are amazing. So we use umbilical cord stem cells. So there's. I mean, a lot of people get them confused with embryonic. Right. There's a huge black market for embryonic stem cells because they come from an embryo.
- [39:14]
Interviewer
Black market.
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Dawn
Black market, yeah, because it's like aborted fetuses. Right. Like, they come from embryos. So, you know, that is something that is out there. But, you know, when you get embryonic stem cells, well, those stem cells want to turn into something, right? So typically, people will sometimes get those done and have like a growth. You know, say they have a growth on their shoulder, then they get it removed, and it's got, like, hair, teeth, like just crazy stuff like that. Yeah. And so it's really important if you're going to be doing stem cells, you want to be doing umbilical cord stem cells. And predominantly the umbilical cord is a huge mix. They're not all. Not all stem cells are created equal. So the mesenchymal stem cells, and you'll hear them called MSCs, those are the ones that we use because they're like the most polypotent. They're like the building blocks of the human body. And when you get them out of the umbilical cord, they're such an immature cell. Your immune system doesn't even know they're there until they've matured and they've done all the work. So what they do is the stem cells will go in and they will lay the foundation. So they're attracted to anything in your body. Your body will put off, like, an electromagnetic signal whenever it needs repairing or healing, anything's off. So the stem cells go in and they basically lay the foundation in your system. And then a lot of people are starting to ask us about exosomes, right? So exosomes are basically, they're excreted from a stem cell. So they're like the little messengers. So the stem cells lay the foundation, and the exosomes go out there and they're just like little messengers. So what happens is it's typically what it's doing is it's getting your own body to upregulate, right? So it's getting your own body to send stem cells to those areas, start to repair, heal, duplicate, and so on. So, but exosomes only typically stay in your body for anywhere from two days to a week, whereas stem cells can stay in there laying the foundation anywhere from, like, say, a month to, say, six months.
- [40:59]
Interviewer
Damn yeah.
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Dawn
So it's kind of cool. What we'll do is we'll have people come back at the three month mark. You know, people with like, we're, you know, we've got a couple clients that had really bad knees and we're gonna do surgery. And, you know, we said, just come and do this with us first. Like, let's just see from there. No surgery. Dang. No surgery. Yeah. One guy's a hockey player and, you know, he came, he's like, look, I just want to play hockey. My son's gonna be, you know, I can't remember how old his son's gonna be. He's like, but I want to play with him. He's like, and my knees are so bad. Like, like, basically he was doing it just so he could play hockey. I think he was my age. And, you know, we get messages. So I do a one month check in. He's like, man, like, I got no pain. He's like, this is crazy. I did leg day at the gym the other day. He's like, dawn, I'm in. I'm ready to do more. And so for someone like that, I'm like, just come do some exosomes, right? Like, the stem cells are still there. They've laid that foundation. So we don't need to dose you up with more stem cells, but we're gonna do some exosomes because that foundation is there. So, you know, people will say to me, well, can I just do exosomes on. On. On their own? And, you know, I, I said, I think I said on my social media, that's like sending a UPS truck full of a bunch of packages, but no addresses on them. That guy's not gonna know where to take them. So it's like, no, you want to make sure that you've done stem cells so that they lay the foundation. They're the live cell, right. The exosomes are just the little messenger. So that's what we'll do for that. So, you know, we kind of put them on a journey and, you know, they can keep healing and repairing and love it. So.
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Narrator
Yeah.
- [42:25]
Interviewer
Have you given any pee shots yet? That's a hot thing these days.
- [42:28]
Dawn
Any what?
- [42:28]
Interviewer
The pea shots.
- [42:29]
Dawn
No.
- [42:30]
Interviewer
You haven't heard of that?
- [42:30]
Dawn
No.
- [42:31]
Interviewer
Oh, that's a trend right now, looking.
- [42:32]
Dawn
At that, like, P shot. As far as, like, urine.
- [42:35]
Interviewer
No, it's stem cells in, in the penis.
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Dawn
Oh. Oh, in the penis.
- [42:39]
Interviewer
Yeah.
- [42:39]
Dawn
Okay, well, okay, we, we, we have started to, like, look at all sorts of different things. Like, you know, like Even injecting them, like people with losing their hair, like, right into their ears, like, all sorts of stuff. So no. Cool.
- [42:50]
Interviewer
Yeah. Looking at that, you know what?
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Dawn
I think I feel like I kind of came across something like that a few months ago.
- [42:55]
Interviewer
It's hot right now. A lot of guys are. The benefits are a lot of people have ed.
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Dawn
Okay.
- [43:01]
Interviewer
So it helps with that because they can't even get up.
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Dawn
Right. So they're injecting the stem cells right into the vein. Yeah, they are. Okay. So. Well, the nice thing with full body umbilical cord stem cells is they go through the whole. They go through your. Do you know what I mean? So, I mean. But hey, if you want to do a little more localized, why not? Right?
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Dawn
I'm sure most guys are like, just put it right in there. Let's go. Yeah, I'm not surprised. Yeah. Like that.
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Interviewer
You know, it's a hot thing right now.
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Dawn
Oh, damn. Is it ever.
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Interviewer
Yeah, right.
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Dawn
I'll be taking this back to. You know, I. I told. I tell Tina, I'm like, I call her headquarters. Like, I would take this back to headquarters. She'll be like, of course. Okay, what are we doing? Penises. Let's go.
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Interviewer
Take it back there. Because guys will be your biggest word of mouth marketing after you give them that one.
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Dawn
Yeah, no doubt. You know? Yeah, no doubt.
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Interviewer
Awesome. Oh, I want to ask this. When your daughter gave birth, did they let her keep the placenta and the. The cord?
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Dawn
I love that you asked this because they didn't even really know anything about that. As crazy as that. So maybe it's different in the US And I'll get into, like, the lab that we work with and where they get their R cords from. But I was in Canada, and I said to the girl in the delivery room, I said, so, like, if we wanted to keep her umbilical cord, and she kind of is like, well, like, what do you mean? Like, just the cord. The whole thing. Like I said. Yeah. So if we wanted to do that, she's like, oh, you would have had to, like, set that up a long time ago. And then you have to have it within eight hours. And she's like, no one really does that. Like, that's not really. So they're not educated on it really. At all.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Dawn
At all.
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Interviewer
That's crazy.
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Dawn
And, you know, for me sitting in there, I'm like, isn't this interesting? Like, that's our business. We do umbilical cord stem cell therapy. Right. So in Canada, it's not really. I got to experience that firsthand seven weeks ago. And they're really not educated on it at all. She's like, yeah, no one really does that.
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Interviewer
I heard in the US they just throw them out.
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Dawn
Yeah, well, so what will happen is when you give birth in the US And I can't say it's like this at every single hospital, but they'll say to them, do you want to keep your umbilical cord? Do you want to discard it, or do you want to donate it to science? So we work with a lab out of Miami, and that's like when they say they want to donate to science, that's when our lab steps in and they get. And they get the umbilical cords then. So they're all ethically sourced. But I was waiting for that. You know, I had my kids. My kids are 26 and 27, and I was waiting for that because it didn't happen when I had my kids. But I thought, this must be a thing now. No, not in Canada.
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Interviewer
That's so much opportunity that they know it is leaving on the table.
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Dawn
I know, but you kind of think, what are they doing with them? Are they actually throwing them? But who knows, right? Yeah. So.
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You know, the. The lab that we are dealing with is fantastic. You know, they do super stringent testing, and we are only taking umbilical cords from unvaccinated, like, unvaccinated donors. Like, so no COVID vaccine. So it goes through a huge stringent testing process. So even when they, you know, they go through the checklist, we still have a. We. They still have a testing process after that. So which is, you know, really important for a lot of people.
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Interviewer
Can you tell if it's a vaccinated umbilical cord? Well, like us personally, like, do you notice a difference? Like with the stem cells? I guess.
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Dawn
You know what? I can't say because we've never used any other than ones that are. No, like. And you know what? And it's not like zero vaxes. It's just that particular. No coveted vaccine.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Dawn
So not saying that the umbilical cords we get, like, the people have never had vaccines, but it's just that particular. That particular one.
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Interviewer
Yeah. There's no one so rushed.
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Dawn
Yeah, I know. That's why it's like. And so many people are concerned. Right. Because there's been so much craziness since then. So can we.
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Interviewer
Canada treated that terribly. I couldn't even go there.
- [46:36]
Dawn
Oh, my God. It was. It was part of my burnout because I pushed against that so hard. You know, I had my clinic and I was probably about a month in, I started to. I'm like, something's not right. This is messed up. I believe there's this virus or whatever they're, you know, but something's not. Like, I just had this weird feeling. I'm like, something's off. So I never really went along with any of the narratives because it just wasn't sitting with me. It wasn't sitting right. And, you know, I had my own clinic and they were wanting everyone to wear masks and, you know, Interior Health and work safe. That's our. That's my regulating body. They're like, everyone has to do this. And, you know, you have to have your clinic six. Everything six feet apart and all this ppe. And I said, no, I'm not doing it. I said, I just spent over a million bucks on my tenant improvement. I've got the nicest clinic the city's ever seen, and I'm not putting that up in here. And. And I don't believe it. So I actually got to the point where I was being hassled so much. So I said, you know what? I got a hold of Interior Health, so that's Health Canada and Work Safe. And I said, you guys need to come to my clinic because I want to have a meeting. I can have all my staff there. Wow. And we're going to record it. I said, if you guys can convince me and convince me, like, back it up and all this shit that you want me to do in my clinic is going to work and you got to prove it. I'll do it. You got to prove it. So we had a two hour meeting. We recorded the whole thing. They could not prove it.
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Interviewer
Did you publish that?
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Dawn
Pardon?
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Interviewer
Did you publish that meeting?
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Dawn
I didn't, but I still have it. I've got it recorded. I never thought to do that. I never thought to do that.
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Interviewer
I know right at the time it would have went viral. I don't know if it still would, maybe, who knows?
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Dawn
But, you know, my staff had such a sense of, like, empowerment because I'd been telling them and they were with me, but they're kind of like, yeah, but don't. Like, you're kind of like, no one gets to tell you what to do, you know, like that. And I said, no, you guys, like, I really feel this. So after that meeting, when Worksafe left and Interior Health left, they signed up because every business had to have a safety plan. Through that, they signed off on my safety plan. I said, keep doing what you're doing. I said, oh, I will. Now, there was one kind of little loophole. I was the first clinic in the province. I can't. I don't. Maybe the country. I can't say that for sure. To have a liquor license. So I had a liquor license so I could serve wine, you know, come in for laser, and I give you a glass of wine. So I. I had the same. I had a liquor primary. So this was. The messed up thing in Canada is like, you had to walk in with your mask on, but as soon as you sat down, you could take it off. Yeah. So I had that liquor primary. Right. So it's like. So I had that going on anyways, and I'm like, you guys cannot convince me that these people are endangered. Six feet from my front door to where they're sitting down, I'm like, no, there's never. Masks were enforced in my clinic.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Dawn
I'm like, I can't wrap my head around this. It's just nuts. So, yeah, I just got to the point where, you know, I was locking my clinic door. Every single person that came in had to talk to me and get through me because my staff were being hassled a little bit, but I never backed down.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Dawn
Like, no way. I'm not doing it. So it burnt me out because it's like two years of, like, fight mode and. But it was worth it, you know, like, we lost some clients, but, man, when we actually got to open again, because Canada closed everybody down for about three months.
- [49:47]
Interviewer
Geez.
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Dawn
When we opened again, we were so busy, and I had so many people being like, you know what, dawn, thank you. Thank you for keeping this, like, a normal, safe place. I'm like, yeah, no doubt. I'm burnt out. I gotta go drink ayahuasca, have my together.
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Interviewer
But no problem.
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Dawn
I got you guys shout out to you, right?
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Interviewer
Yeah. Canada might have been the worst place to be during the pandemic.
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Dawn
It was brutal.
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Interviewer
You guys couldn't even leave. Right. You had a curfew and you couldn't leave the country.
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Dawn
Yeah, it was. It was insanity. Like, and I was the type that I was like, I was traveling even through that. Like, I literally tried not to let it affect my life, like, legit. I went to Costa Rica, and then I ended up. I mean, I sold my business in the middle of the pandemic, which was like, oh, thank God. But, yeah, it was. It was haywire. I. There was a lot of craziness going on. Some. Some provinces back east worse than others.
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Vancouver wasn't too. Too bad, but, like, Toronto, you know, Quebec. Yeah, those places. Oh, yeah, 100. They're. They're the ones responsible for the liberal government. Still beaming.
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Interviewer
Canada right now, it's looking even scarier.
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Dawn
So brutal. I know. I've. I've just gotten past that point of, like. I'm just. I throw my hands up. Is it a teenager? I'm like, I'm moving to Texas. Moving here with you guys. Yeah, exactly. Right? I'm like, in this neutral space, right? That. That used to get me going, but I'm like, you know, it is what it is. It was a disappointment, but it's like, well, what can you do? You just got to figure it out.
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Interviewer
Well, Don, it's been really fun. We'll link your stuff below. Anything else you want to close off with here.
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Dawn
You know what? Just thank you. Thank you for taking the time. Thank you for sitting with me and.
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Interviewer
Yeah, I'll stop by the clinic. Maybe we can record a little session.
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Dawn
That'd be awesome. I'd love that. Be fantastic. Yeah.
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Interviewer
Well, check her out, guys. Check out the clinic. See you next time.