A (1:30)

The. And I'm part owner in a TRT company. HP trt. I'm pretty proud of that one. That one, that, that one was a lot, man. They've all been a lot of work.

B (1:40)

Trt.

A (1:41)

But that one, that one was, that was, that one was a lot of work. But because it was such. So impactful in my life after I got out, my, my test levels were abysmal. Most men, you at least want to have a couple hundred, if not 300. That would still be considered low. I was in the double digits.

B (2:01)

Holy crap.

A (2:01)

I was 67.

B (2:03)

Jeez. And that's the lowest I've ever heard.

A (2:04)

I think they made me retake it and they were like, hey, I think, you know, I think something happened. They made me retake my, my blood test and they're like, you've been feeling pretty lethargic lately. I was like, yeah, like bad. Yeah. I'm like, I thought I had cancer. Like, you know, you start going through this, this mental phase of, of all the worst case scenarios and I've, you know, eventually got that done. And it's not, it's not the end all be all. But let me tell you, if you don't have your blood work done, there's so many or your test levels correct. There's so many effects to it, including sleep. You're not going to go to the gym because you're, you're tired, you're not going to get any results. You don't go to the gym, you're not going to get good rest because you don't do anything to wear yourself out. It's just, it, it just goes on and on.

B (2:50)

I agree. Even raising mine because I was at 520 a couple years ago, which is kind of low, I think.

A (2:54)

Yeah.

B (2:55)

Because I'm only 28. But even raising it 100 points was significant. I noticed it. Yeah.

A (3:00)

This will be a little controversial to some people that get deep in the numbers, but in anyone that works out and wants performance, 7 to 800 should, should be the ideal range. You, you should shoot for.

B (3:11)

It gets harder as you get older though, right?

A (3:13)

It does. Um, I think the best way to describe it, the problem is it doesn't just, you don't just wake up one day and, and fall down to double digits. Yeah, it's slowly, obviously it slowly goes down and so you don't really notice it. It just kind of becomes the new normal. You know, it's almost like, you know that the analogy of boiling a frog in a pot of water, like he doesn't know what's happening because it happens gradually. So you just end up one day in this place. It's so far from where you started and you really don't know how, how you got there.

B (3:45)

Yeah, there's a lot of things that could affect it. For me, I was surprised mine was kind of low because I eat super clean, I'm pretty active. But I've been tracking my stress levels. Man, I'm stressed like five, six hours a day. So I think that definitely lowers it.

A (3:56)

I used to have a whoop strap and I quit wearing it because I, I got tired of being reminded how bad my sleep is. So now that, that I'm, I'm back on testosterone and we're tracking my blood levels and things are getting better. Better for me. I just ordered an aura ring.

B (4:12)

Yeah, that's what I'm wearing.

A (4:13)

I'm gonna start tracking that again.

B (4:14)

I'm a month in. It's good for sleep tracking and stress tracking.

A (4:18)

Yeah.

B (4:18)

And HRV is a really important metric these days.

A (4:20)

Absolutely.

B (4:21)

Yeah. But dude, testosterone, it's an epidemic right now with guys.

A (4:24)

It, here's, here's some people don't talk about with girls as well.

B (4:28)

Really.

A (4:29)

We've had a lot of girls come, come through and now their, their ideal range is more like in the, in the 60s, but they still need testosterone. And the amount of, of women walking around in single digit testosterone levels now, I mean, of course this is obvious math, but you know, it may be a difference of 54 and mine was a difference of hundreds. But percentage wise, 6 and 60, that's, you know, that's, that's 90%. That's right. That's 10 times greater. And so that it affects them just as, just as much.

B (5:03)

So they need it for the same reasons or why do they?

A (5:05)

Same reasons.

B (5:06)

Health reasons.

A (5:06)

Yep. Health reasons. Recovery workout. Just hormonal balances.

B (5:11)

Interesting.

A (5:12)

And they, and they only need a fraction of it. A 10 millimeter bottle will last them forever.

B (5:16)

Yeah.

A (5:17)

But it has the same effect when you're 10 times lower than you're supposed to be. Interesting sex drive.

B (5:23)

Is it true when you're actively serving, you can't be on trt? Is that still the thing?

A (5:27)

It was when I was in the, it's funny though, with TBIs, low, low testosterone and low vitamin D is just, they just go hand in hand now when they, when they test your blood levels and if you're low in vitamin D, they just give you, they give you vitamin D. But they're so scared of the, the optics of putting their operators on testosterone and if something goes wrong like, oh, he was all roided up on steroids. And so they, they are really. So instead of just giving me testosterone because that's all short on even, even at that time, not as bad as I was when I got out, but they just give you all these things that will help increase your testosterone. Anything but give you testosterone.

B (6:15)

Got it.

A (6:16)

I don't know if it's changed. I hope it has it because it needs to.

B (6:19)

Yeah. And back then it was kind of newer. I feel like maybe they were scared of the risks.

A (6:22)

Yeah. Culturally the whole thing's really kind of changed culturally. You know, I'm 45. Like I, I remember when no man, no matter how big he was, generally would ever tell you he was on testosterone. But now everyone accepts it. If, if you're over 30 or 40 and you're not on testosterone. It's. It's almost odd.

B (6:41)

Yeah. Everyone's so open about everything. They're talking about their hair transplants now,

A (6:44)

you know, getting stem cells, like, it's all, again, as. As they should be. I don't have any problems with, with, with any of that.

B (6:52)

Yeah. I think growing up, there was maybe shame and fear of judgment a lot of times.

A (6:55)

Well, there's that. And there are also these, These. These stigmas on it that. That just weren't true. There was a stigma that testosterone is gonna cost, and, you know, testosterone killed this NFL player, and testosterone is going to give you roid rage. And almost all those myths have been, you know, have been debunked. Let me tell you, if. If you get on testosterone, the reason why you're a bigger jerk now is because you were just a skinny jerk earlier. You. You just didn't. You just didn't think you could do anything about it.

B (7:30)

Yeah.

A (7:30)

Now you're just a little bit bigger and. And you think you could do something about it, but you're always a jerk inside. Yeah. Yeah.

B (7:36)

The one negative thing I see people say about it is the fact that you have to stay on it. Like, it's hard to get off.

A (7:43)

I've. I've heard that as well. And I. From just friends and personal experience, I really don't know how true that is. And now it very well could be true. But I'll tell you why, why I questioned that. Two reasons, one logically and one is an individual study of a friend of mine. Just logically, the. The body's pretty amazing, and it does rebound pretty well. And yes, if you introduce testosterone, the. The body's not dumb, and it goes, okay, I'm getting extra testosterone. I don't, I don't need to make as. As much because I'm getting it somewhere else.

B (8:23)

Yeah.

A (8:24)

And if you stop taking testosterone, it will take it a little bit, but the body also will eventually realize it's not getting testosterone from an external source, and it will kick back up. And that is debated. But I had a friend, we'll just call him Jason. His. His motto was, you know, live big and get buried in a big coffin. Just. Just one. One to live that bro life. And this was in my 20s, and he was going to be single his whole life and just be a big guy. And he never cycled on and never cycled off. And in his 30s, he falls in love and gets married. And he even tells his wife's like, hey, we're probably not gonna have kids. Like, I've been on testosterone my whole life. In fact, I'm probably going to get off of it. He. He got off of testosterone. His blood works just fine. Took him a couple months and he's got three kids.

B (9:10)

Wow. So, yeah, I've heard that.

A (9:11)

Know how true. I'm not, I'm not saying it's completely untrue, but I'm also saying I don't. So many other things have been untrue. I, I just look into that.

B (9:20)

The data is always changing, right?

A (9:21)

Yeah.

B (9:21)

There's so many factors. Yeah. I have heard the infertility claim too. Wow. Three kids, though. That's impressive.

A (9:26)

When it comes to data, nutritionally, the. What we've been, what the scientists have told us from the 80s to the 90s. So now nutritionally has, has. Has been. Has been wrong before. And now we hope they're right now, but we might find out 10 years later that we didn't exactly get it right now.

B (9:43)

Yeah.

A (9:44)

We used to be scared of fats, and you need fats. Yeah.

B (9:46)

Used to be scared of thoughts. Salts was demonized.

A (9:48)

Salt was demonized. That's. That's, that's a little bit of a. A crazy story about salt being demonized. How they found out salt was demonizes. They. They did this, this test of unhealthy people, and they found out they all had one thing in common. They had several things in common. One was, was high sodium. And so they, they concluded that high sodium is one of the reasons all these people are unhealthy. Had nothing, had nothing to do with it. Just you just happened to be studying all unhealthy people. And you're right. When they come to find out years later, it's like. Well, that actually wasn't exactly true.

B (10:26)

Yeah.

A (10:26)

I salt everything.

B (10:28)

I mean, you look at the food pyramid they glued in our heads in elementary school. It's actually hilarious looking at it now.

A (10:34)

Yeah. You could practically turn it upside down.

B (10:36)

Like all grains, processed grains, and meat was at like the very end, I think. Yeah, like, that's terrible.

A (10:43)

Absolutely. I mean, in fact, you probably could turn that thing upside down and be healthier.

B (10:48)

Yeah.

A (10:48)

Yeah.

B (10:49)

I mean, they have no incentive for us to be healthy. Big food.

A (10:52)

They really don't. You know, I'm, you know, of course I have my own podcast and I put my opinions out there a lot. And I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist guy. I'm just not. Do I think the government's batting a thousand? I don't think they're batting a thousand. But there's a lot of things I just can't get behind logically for sure, but when it comes to big pharma and, and there's just no incentive to have a healthy population. I can't argue that.

B (11:19)

Yeah, it's a hard stance today.

A (11:20)

Yeah, it's a hard stance to take. I, I, I have to agree with you on that.

B (11:25)

Have your trust levels in the government changed over time, being part of it? You know, now looking back at it, has it changed with all this stuff on social media?

A (11:33)

That's a good question. Yeah, I mean, I was, I was a part of the Delta Force. You know, there's, it's, it's funny, you see people online and even sometimes when, when this topic gets, gets, gets brought up that, I mean, we, we were the secret organization that the government turns to, to do things. And then some, some people will say, well, no, there's, there's people more, more secret than that that do all these bad things. Right. Well, where you, if there was, they would pull from us and SEAL Team six, you would probably know a guy. Where do you think they'd get them from? But do I trust the, I don't trust our politicians, but here, I hate answering a question with a question, but this, this is the best way that, that, that, that I post. This is everything the government does, usually outside the military. And I can even go into that a little bit. The military is not as good as it should be. We'll understand. Okay, it's not as good as it should be. The higher units are only really good because we have less oversight. But in general, take Fema for example. FEMA's a massive failure. Take the food stamp program. Take almost every government program. Minnesota is a great example of it. Our government is absolutely inept in rolling out and rolling out programs and operations. So what makes you think that they're completely inept in that, yet they're really good at, at these black ops, undercover, you know.

B (13:13)

Yeah, good point.

A (13:15)

You know, type of things. They're either inept or they're really good and they can't be both.

B (13:19)

Yeah, good point. They don't manage the budget properly is basically what it comes down to.

A (13:23)

They can't manage a budget. So I hope that answered the question.

B (13:29)

No, it does.

A (13:30)

What I think about them.

B (13:32)

Yeah.

A (13:32)

And, and the only, and again, the only reason why the Maduro raid is a great example. And so they'll say, well, you just said that. But they, they, they did the Maduro raid just, that's because the Delta Force of sorts works outside that we have to. Our regular military couldn't do it. We had to have something super unique and something that we constantly fight to keep their hands off of us, to keep us unregulated. That sounds kind of bad. So when I say we're not cowboys, you know, we don't do. We don't do the things people, you know, think we do. As far as malicious things. We don't. We're a very professional organization.

B (14:16)

Got it.

A (14:16)

But they're. They're. We're good because we keep the government off our backs.

B (14:20)

Yeah. You're the first Delta Force I think I've had on the show. So this is all new to me. I'm actually learning a lot. So it's a much smaller group, basically, and it's not as much chaos.

A (14:29)

We'd be this. We'd be the smallest.

B (14:30)

Oh, the smallest out of all of them.

A (14:32)

Yeah.

B (14:33)

Do they publicize the numbers or keep it?

A (14:34)

They don't.

B (14:35)

Okay, that makes sense. So that Majoro, when they captured him, that was Delta Force, though. It was interesting. What do you think of all the potential wars looming in there right now? Any. Any of these. Were you. Any of these think are justified?

A (14:50)

I'll tell you, I switched stances a little bit on. On the Maduro raid. Not on the raid itself. On. On. On being involved with Venezuela. So let's just start there for a second. I questioned it because I don't really see at the time the benefit of it. And people can. People can say, we want their oil. We already don't take their oil. We do need oil, but we don't need their oil. When more came out about it and the experts weighed in more, it got me thinking. Yeah, they're actually probably right. It wasn't about us getting their oil. It was really about two things. It was about oil denial with our biggest adversaries, China and Russia. And I'm. I'm a fan of that. And it was about keeping our. Our enemies out of the Western hemisphere. Like, we. They can't have a safe place to. To launch operations out of. So more like a defensive move. More of a defensive move. And Maduro being an absolute evil man, just made that possible. So that was a good move. And that leaves really two things on the table right now. Cuba and. And Iran, I believe, is what you're. You're talking about for the most part. I don't know. I know we've been kicking this Iran can down the. Down the road for a while. They just killed 32, 000 of their. Of their own people. Wow. Put. Putting down a protest. I'm pretty sure most Americans would be pretty upset at that. Would want something to be done. But wanting something to be done and actually doing something are two different thresholds. And I, I don't know, the older I get, I lean more towards more of a isolationist type model. Not complete isolationist because you can't bury your head in the sand.

B (16:50)

Yeah.

A (16:50)

But I, I do think there's a lot of things we need to concentrate here at home before, before we go solving the world's problems.

B (16:58)

And that's how, that's the sentiment I see on social media. People feel like we're spreading ourselves too thin. We're donating money to all these places, spending money on all these wars. Right?

A (17:06)

Yeah. Yeah. And now Cuba's a little different because I, I ran so far away. I don't think they, they, they directly pose a threat to us. Are they good people? No, there's a lot of. But if that's your threshold again for, for taking action, we'd be busy for a long time. And we could probably start in Africa and we're not going to there. So why, why would we pick Iran?

B (17:34)

Right.

A (17:35)

I, I do think things closer to us should, I think we can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time. I think we can address problems here at home and work on smaller problems that don't consume us outside. And of those two, I, I think Cuba can be fixed and addressed. And then oddly enough in Haiti this. But, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't spend a ton of money doing it and I wouldn't spend a ton of resources doing it. But both those things I believe can be addressed and can be addressed smartly.

B (18:12)

You mentioned threat. Who do you see in our lifetime as the biggest threat?

A (18:16)

China.

B (18:17)

A lot of people say China.

A (18:19)

China is. And been. It's, it's just the beginning. It's not, it's not going to bring them to their knees. But denying them oil from Venezuela is, is definitely go. Is, is definitely the, the beginning of that. And just, and just taking them more serious for, for the IP theft that, that they do the way they do international business. I'm not a Trumpster, but that's, but if you listen to his speeches, Trump's been talking about that for a long time since his first term. And the whole tariff game really has to do with that. They're not playing fair and no one's doing anything about it. And so I Don't understand why. We're just at a point politically and in this country where you can hate a person so much that regardless of what he does, you, you just hate him. I'm fairly certain this point Trump could and half the American people would be upset at him for putting, for, for putting doctors out of business. Yeah, I just, I mean, he's gotten to that point.

B (19:24)

He's done a lot of what he said he was going to do. He actually did finally release the files.

A (19:28)

He did. He's just pulling. That's the irony of it. Most of the things he's done, he, he said he was going to do,

B (19:33)

he said he was going to go hard with ice.

A (19:35)

Right. Which, which is a surprise. I think, I think we're so conditioned for politicians to say things that never do it.

B (19:42)

100% agreed. Usually they don't.

A (19:44)

And, and I don't see and I, they're so blinded to it. I think that's why so many people like him.

B (19:48)

Yeah. Because he's just a straight shooter.

A (19:50)

I, I, I would like our politicians to start doing what they, what they say they're going to do on the campaign trail.

B (19:55)

Yeah.

A (19:56)

I think that thing, that'd be nice.

B (19:57)

I was actually surprised he dropped the files.

A (20:00)

I'm too, you know, and more than, and you know, probably rightfully so, people are still gonna be mad at the amount of time it took and I think that's, that's frustrating. But hey, there are other people had the opportunity to do it, never did.

B (20:14)

I mean, he was literally in them and he dropped them. So you gotta respect that. Right. I mean, yeah, there's a lot of people that wouldn't do that. So shout out to him for that. But yeah, I agree with China. I think it's a matter of, because they're going to invade Taiwan. So it's, when that happens, what's going to happen. Right.

A (20:30)

Yeah. I think the thing they were looking at the, the Ukraine thing and I'm actually a little bit surprised, to be honest with you. When they, when they saw the lack of reaction from the world on Ukraine, I thought China would have taken that as the, you know, all the information they needed to say, okay, we can, if Russia can go take Ukraine and no one's really going to do directly interdict on it.

B (20:58)

Right.

A (20:58)

Then, then, then we can take Taiwan. And I really thought they would. I don't know why they didn't. Why they didn't. Because they, they really haven't hidden the fact.

B (21:06)

I wonder why they're waiting. Yeah. I wonder why they're waiting.

A (21:08)

Yes. I don't know what, what they're waiting for.

B (21:11)

Well, they think 100 years and I had. Right. That's how they kind of operate.

A (21:14)

Yeah. I was thinking that already when you're talking about They've. They live. We're very short term oriented.

B (21:21)

Yeah.

A (21:22)

They, and they, they have a long plan and they're, they're pretty good at executing it.

B (21:26)

Yeah. Do you think being short term is kind of not good when it comes to the military and.

A (21:32)

No, again, you have to be able to do both. You have to be able to plan because you can't just plan for a long term because if you just have this long goal but you have no short term plan that it's going to be, that's going to be the steps to get to that long term and just short term goals. Without a long term goal. It has the, has the same faults to it. So you have to be able to effectively do both.

B (21:56)

I agree. Because I've noticed the long term goals stuff just changes so much along the way that by the time it kind of doesn't even matter, honestly. You know.

A (22:03)

Yeah. And getting us as a country to agree on a long term goal I think is. Would be near impossible. I think the, one of the benefits we have that we. I don't believe we have a long term goal or a real solid one. The. I think we're just too big to fail.

B (22:28)

Yeah.

A (22:29)

And that just keeps us going. And I even say that a little bit tongue in cheek because we're not. We're not too big to fail.

B (22:34)

Not at all. Look at the deck.

A (22:36)

Every, every empire has fallen so far.

B (22:38)

Yep.

A (22:39)

We will. And so will China.

B (22:40)

Every currency has failed. Every empire has fallen. When you look at the debt, we should all be uniting about that. Look at the Pentagon failing all the audits.

A (22:48)

It amazes me what is political now in this country. And it really does. I used to not be a very political person because in the Delta Force it didn't matter to me. I didn't care who sent me where this is. I didn't have social media.

B (23:07)

Yeah.

A (23:07)

So it's not like I was going to go get on my social media. I wasn't allowed to, you know, and, and, and rant and rave about whatever political situation is going on right now. So yeah, I just, I just had my job and, and life was pretty simple back then. But it just. The debt should be bipartisan. I'll go as far as border security. Why is border security not bipartisan? I. That it really does Call me naive. It blows my mind why not every American wants to have a secure border. It just, it, it's. And it's not like. Well, they just have two different ways to go about it. There's really not, you know, two different ways to go about it. In fact, the other, you know, parts of one side want to go as far as. As open borders.

B (23:58)

So.

A (23:59)

So, you know, they can't even agree on that. And I, I get it. I'm not completely insensitive to what's going on with the illegal immigration and ICE things right now, but when it comes to illegal immigrants with a criminal past, and I've either. And I've even gone as far as American women, I think we can. I think we can get on the same page as that.

B (24:24)

Yeah, agree.

A (24:25)

And that's. And I know she may not have known at the time, but that's what that lady died over when she tried to run over that ICE agent. They were there trying to get an illegal immigrant who had sexually offended.

B (24:38)

I didn't even know that. Wow, that's crazy.

A (24:41)

Yeah.

B (24:41)

Part of me wonders how much of that ICE stuff in Minnesota is authentic because there's a lot of exposing right now with money flow and what's.

A (24:49)

What's crazy. I just, I just saw this station and I hope I remember right, but between the deportations in Texas and Minnesota, the difference is Texas has 10 times the amount of deportations. You would think that Minnesota is like the. The deportation capital of America right now, but it's a fraction of what's going on in most states.

B (25:11)

Wow.

A (25:11)

But. But they. They have screamed the loudest and, and made. It does seem almost as if there's something more at play here.

B (25:22)

I agree. When you look at how organized it is, I don't know if you follow James o' Keefe's trip there, but as soon as they got his license plate, they tracked them. They were texting him.

A (25:31)

Yeah, it was. It's getting really weird.

B (25:33)

Like, that is scary.

A (25:35)

It's. It's getting really weird. And. And again, I already said that I'm not. I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but sometimes I. I don't mind the questions, though, because you gotta have. You better have answers to these questions.

B (25:47)

Yeah.

A (25:48)

And a part of me is with the childcare fraud and insurance company fraud that's going on in Minnesota. What's a better way to deter from that than make a lot of noise about ice? I don't know. That's what's happening. But again, it should at least be asked. And there better be a good answer debunking that.

B (26:15)

Agreed. Do you think the conspiracy culture has gotten out of hand on social media?

A (26:18)

Yeah, absolutely. We still have. We've. We've never had more technology, more scientific advancements, and we still have flat Earthers out there. We have, we have satellites surrounding this earth based off scientific, scientific data that they stay in orbit off of around Earth. We have cameras. We. We know what this earth is at least. At least shapewise. We know that's a tough one to defend. We still have flat Earthers.

B (26:54)

There are a lot of political ones though, that I think people really are into right now. Political conspiracy theories.

A (26:59)

Oh man. When it comes to we. I get it a fair amount on. On the podcast only because I have a fair. A fairly non conspiracy theory outlook.

B (27:08)

So.

A (27:09)

And we do live shows and so we feel a lot of questions.

B (27:12)

Yeah.

A (27:13)

Just everything. But everything can't be a conspiracy theory. Everything ends up being a conspiracy theory. The. You. You know that UBL was even alive at the time, as Is a conspiracy theory. Did. Did, did the government take down our own twin towers and kill 3,000Americans as a conspiracy theory. Hurricane Katrina, that Navy SEALs went in and broke the dam. As a conspiracy theory. The Las Vegas shooting.

B (27:41)

Yeah. That's a big one.

A (27:42)

Is a conspiracy theory. Even though they caught the gunman and he had dozens of weapons and thousands of. Of ammunition. It's a pretty, it's a pretty easy case to solve. And even that one is a conspiracy theory.

B (27:59)

Yeah. Dan Bazeran, who you just had on been talking about that one. Yeah.

A (28:02)

Every. Everything can't be agreed.

B (28:05)

I think there's way too many. The Charlie Kirk one.

A (28:08)

Yeah, that was just the Charlie Kirk one. Another one. It's, it's. Here's the problem with this and it's, it's just true. Even when things, even when you have the, the right answer, it's just, it's just for some reason the, the way it is, not everything is 100%. If you look into something deep enough, there will be one thing that maybe doesn't align with it. Even though 99 things are pointing that, that this guy is the shooter or this is what's happening. Here's. Here's a good case. The Tesla truck bomber. Yeah. Happened here in Vegas. I can't remember what it is, but there's something about the, the way the explosion happened inside his truck. And then they paused it and they're like, that's not how it happened. So you know, they, they were saying that, you know, something Else had to be the, the real story based off of that. Hey, explosions don't always happen the way you think. They're not. Everything burns up the way you think it's going to burn up.

B (29:12)

Yeah, they were. Because I was in a cyber truck and it didn't fully explode. I think that was what you're talking about.

A (29:17)

I can't.

B (29:17)

It's kind of contained in.

A (29:18)

Yeah, it was, it was. I think I had to do with his shadow in the flames or, or the way certain things were burned. So. Certain things weren't burned. They just. They just go really digging. Dig and deep.

B (29:29)

That one turned into a conspiracy, too.

A (29:31)

Yeah, sure did.

B (29:31)

I think Sean Ryan was talking about that one. Yeah. They make their way onto the biggest podcast. You got guys like Tucker talking about chemtrails. And then millions of people see it. Right. And then they tell people, spreads quick.

A (29:42)

Here's. Here's the problem with it. And it's, and it's, it's our society. It gets clicks. It gets a lot of clips, a lot.

B (29:52)

Candace is the number one show right now.

A (29:54)

There's. There's no, there's no incentive to bring logic and a cool head and into these arguments. They don't get clicks.

B (30:06)

Not, not even close.

A (30:07)

So, yeah, we're. What a weird world with, with social media and as great as podcasts are. Podcasting. I was talking to a, A journalist that was doing some more research into and Tim Kennedy after, After we exposed him.

B (30:23)

Yeah.

A (30:23)

And he said something that was really unique to me. He kept calling me and he. And, and he was doing all his research and. Which was great. I did a lot of research, you know, before I do this podcast as well. But it's taken him a long time to come to press about it and he was like, hey, like old school journalism is, is almost dead because. Because of this, you can fire up your podcast studio and you can tell whatever story with as little or as much research as you want, be as right or as wrong as you want, and you can blast it out to the Internet same day if you want it. If you want to. And that's just not how newspapers and, and normal journalism works.

B (31:03)

They got to get approvals.

A (31:04)

That's right. They have to get approvals. They have to get it dual source. They have to get their editor to say, okay, I believe that this is a true story. And, and we have no legal ramifications that are going to happen if you're wrong. And if so, I'll take the risk. It takes them a long time. But when it comes to podcasts. If you see something on, you know, on a Charlie Kirk video that you want to question, fire it up, send it out there, and it may get a million views easily.

B (31:31)

Yeah. You could even do it live now. You don't have to wait to upload it.

A (31:33)

That's right. Yeah.

B (31:35)

That's the new meta.

A (31:37)

It's. I. I love it. And it's. It is. It's a. It's a good thing, you know, but it, like anything else, it has its positives and it's negatives.

B (31:46)

Very true. You have to really cater your own feed these days. I think you could get lost in social media. I worry as a future parent, like with my kids, how I'm gonna kind of not control it, but, like, keep an eye on it.

A (31:58)

Yeah, it's. Yeah, I have four kids. It's. It's crazy because it's almost like the Internet isn't a real place, but. But it is. Those stories that people are putting out that aren't true, you know, are reaching real people. They look just like numbers and statistics, but, you know, there's a person behind that number. I don't think they're realizing that. And I'll get the most vile comments, you know, about me.

B (32:28)

About you?

A (32:29)

Oh, yeah, for sure.

B (32:30)

Really? You don't seem like a. I. A guy that gets a lot of hate.

A (32:33)

Oh, I get plenty of it when. When you call out other vets for. For lying and. And if. And if that fan believes that veteran and puts him up on a pedestal and almost idolizes them, then they. They don't care about the. The message. They just want to go after the messenger. So.

B (32:53)

Yeah. Because it's an identity crisis for them.

A (32:54)

Yeah. I've been told that I. I tear down other veterans. Yeah. Because clicks and views. And that's just not true.

B (33:01)

When you called out Tim, he was probably near the peak of his career. Right? He was. He had a big following.

A (33:06)

And I had a big backlash at first when I came out with that. And people had no idea the amount of research I did on that. People had just flip it for a second. How much of a dirt bag would I have to be now, granted, I just to be unhumble for a second.

B (33:23)

Yeah.

A (33:24)

20 year army career Special Forces, fought in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, multiple times into each place, went all the way to the top of the Delta Force. And then when I got out, I was like, you know what? Here's my. Here's my plan. I'mma take these veterans that are good people, and I'm just Going to lie about them for, for, for, for clicks on a YouTube channel. Like that'd be. I couldn't think of something more, more vile. That's pretty, that's pretty bad.

B (33:58)

Yeah. Up there.

A (34:00)

So, but, but that's what they accused me of. But then again, it, it took, it took months but, but more information came out and more information came out after we started that. And I, I'd done research for months on that. Thankfully, the Internet's forever and more people started looking into it and coming up with even more things that I hadn't even found in months of, of research. And then eventually it's, it's, it's not even question now that what we did was the, the right thing. And I was right about every single thing that I did.

B (34:30)

Wow.

A (34:31)

But I, I, there's still a few holding on that still hate me for it.

B (34:35)

Yeah. Internet detectives, man.

A (34:37)

What, but what I'm saying is they would never say that to my face. They just wouldn't, they would never say what they write online to my face. And you know, when I went to school and even when you went to school, what they will say online to your kids aren't something that they would say to your kids face at school. So it's really created this environment of almost a perceived, there's, there's no backlash from it, but it's just not as immediate as saying it to someone's face, which should get you punched. But there will be backlash. Eventually you do something wrong enough or long enough and it can still have the same real world consequences.

B (35:16)

Yeah. Your past will catch up. Yeah, there's no consequences. Talking online at the moment. And I don't know if I would want, you know, legal stuff around that, to be honest. Well, I don't know if that's the solution.

A (35:28)

Shouldn't say there's none. Probably a good segue. You know, we exposed Tim Kennedy for, for just flat out lying about things, these awards he said he had for things that he said he did that he never did and his teammates and you know, said that he never did it. And we're not talking about trivial stuff. We're talking about saying that he shot 20 people from a sniper tower and fought 400 Iranian fighters. And just like, just wild stories. The. But I'm currently getting sued right now by Rob O' Neill for $25 million for defamation.

B (36:03)

Coming on the show next week.

A (36:04)

Yeah. So yeah, your words that, you know, can have, you know, can have consequences. But these, these, these, I'm, I'm, I don't worry about that lawsuit one bit. Because just, just like Tim, I, I didn't just hear a guy at a bar say this and fire up the podcast studio. There's, there, there's a reason I, I did a, an episode on, on Rob o' Neal and it's going to hurt people's feelings. But I think we should be able to trust our veterans. And if veterans lie for money and fame and no one will hold that line, who's to stop future veterans from doing it? Because veterans know the truth. They'll hear that. Veterans hear these stories and they're like, that's not bs. That's not how it works. So it's kind of a two step thing to. I want, I want the American people to still trust veterans. And the only people that can hold veterans accountable are veterans. And I want, I want to stop this. Like, hey, you can't just lie to the American public and, and there be no consequences. Like, veterans are tired of it. And we, we will say something about it.

B (37:12)

I mean, respect for doing. I mean, they literally made a movie about that man. Right. Rob o'. Neal.

A (37:17)

Zero Dark Thirty isn't about, it's about the raid. And Robin Neal is on the raid, don't get me wrong. You know, but in his story, he's, he's the sole person to shoot bin Laden and he takes out bin Laden face to face.

B (37:30)

That's what I remember.

A (37:31)

Shoots him in the face three times and, you know, and he's, he's the hero.

B (37:37)

Yeah.

A (37:38)

He's not even, he wasn't the first, second or third person to shoot bin Laden. The point man shot him. He was already dead when everyone else ran into the room.

B (37:47)

Wow.

A (37:47)

And he just did a pile on shooting. Now if he'd have told that story, he's still a hero like you were in the room. But to tell a story that completely takes away any other teammates and completely puts you at, at the center of it all is just, it's, it's not, it's not right.

B (38:07)

Yeah. That's wild.

A (38:08)

And, and some people come back and they'll say, well, I don't care who did it, as long as, as long as, you know, as long as bin Laden's dead, that's all we care about. And usually my rebuttal that is, do you like sports?

B (38:20)

Yeah.

A (38:21)

Like football? Yeah. All right. This was the super bowl of maybe until the Maduro raid, you could argue, but you could still argue this was the super bowl of special operations. What do you think would happen? What would the American people Do if the backup quarterback came out and was like, I threw the game winning touchdown and super in the super bowl, they

B (38:40)

would call them out.

A (38:40)

They'd lose their mind. They'd lose their mind. And that's just a game and that's just an athlete that you shouldn't put on a pedestal to some degree, you know. So we're, we're talking about things that matter way more than lying about a Super bowl touchdown. So. But I don't think. And again, I get it, it's hard for, for them to realize how offensive it is to, to veterans because. Yeah, it's. They don't see it through our lens. Yeah.

B (39:09)

They don't see it from your perspective. You know, he had guys with him that actually took the shot. Why did they never speak out?

A (39:15)

Because they're true professionals.

B (39:16)

Interesting. Because he held that in for years, right?

A (39:21)

No. Rob o' Neill got out early, got out so fast that he didn't even get a retirement. Oh, he got out and he immediately wrote a book.

B (39:29)

Wow.

A (39:30)

Yeah. He didn't hold in for years at all. He immediately wrote a book and started going on. Going on speaking. Going on the, the public speaking tour.

B (39:38)

Holy crap. He must have made a killing off that for sure. Crazy. For 25 million dollar lawsuit. I mean, that's. You're not worried at all though. That's. That's impressive.

A (39:46)

Well, if, if I had lied about this, I would, I would have a lot to worry about.

B (39:51)

Yeah.

A (39:51)

But I, I know what, I know for a fact what happened. Not just from one person, not from two people, from. Again, I was, I, I have several friends, several friends over in the Seals Team 6 community. And, and I've talked to people who were on the Rage and yeah, you

B (40:09)

got the truth on yourself.

A (40:09)

And there's, there's. Hasn't. There's never been one person that I've ever talked to who's like, no, that actually happened every single time. It's this.

B (40:18)

That guy that's crazy.

A (40:21)

So I just. That, that, that speaks volume in, in our community.

B (40:24)

Yeah. And he's going on a little pod tour now. I noticed he's been going on some shows.

A (40:28)

Yeah, he didn't. He just went on the Andy Stump podcast and didn't do himself any favors because now he's. Now he went on the Andy St. Podcast and did this big reveal and was like, this is the true story that I've never told before and what actually happened in the room. And then we all lied in the debrief to cover for that. And so now he's trying to put a spin on. On it after, After I called him out for it.

B (40:56)

What I've noticed with pods is it's such a long format that you actually can't for too long. You know what I mean?

A (41:02)

Yeah, the. There's. The. There's been two gifts that that's been happened that's in this situation. One is he goes on a lot of podcasts, so it's a. A lie is hard to remember. Like it really is, no matter how much you rehearse it. And it always falls apart as long as soon as someone starts asking questions because you can't prepare for the. You can prepare your story, but you can't prepare for. You can't prepare for the questions. And that's really what happened in, in the Andy Stumpf episode. And if you go to the comment section, which is an Andy Stomps a former SEAL as well, I didn't call him out. He was very professional about it. He was just asking good questions. And you go to the comments section. I think it has like half a million views right now, probably closer to 600,000. Thousands of comments. And the whole veterans community in the comments section is not buying the new story.

B (41:59)

Oh, man, he's.

A (42:00)

He. That was, that was a gift to us and the lawsuit. Because you basically can't say, well, I, I didn't lie. I, I lied about lying. But, but here's, but here's the truth and then tell a lawsuit saying that I've. I've always told the truth. Really. It gets. It gets muddy really quickly. That's why it's just easier to tell the truth from the beginning and you don't have to worry about any of this.

B (42:25)

Yeah, that's what I've realized. Because I used to lie when I was like a teenager and I was like, I would forget the lies and I'm like, yeah, I'm. I'm just going to be honest moving forward.

A (42:33)

And although these are bigger lies and everyone does it to. I shouldn't say everyone. Well, kind of people. Especially when you're a parent, you lie over the stupidest things because you lie to your kids a lot. Like, just.

B (42:43)

I think there's a place for it.

A (42:44)

Nah. Chick Fil A is closed. Even though it's not closed. But it is a. But oddly enough, although this was a bigger life, even the small eyes can, can have. Can snowball on you. And then you're. You're at a place you never thought you'd be. And when it, when, when initially it wasn't that big of a deal. But you made it that way.

B (43:06)

That makes sense. So you called these guys out. Was that sort of before the podcast? Was that while you were doing the podcast?

A (43:15)

I was part of a podcast before this. I had a co host. So that's, that's kind of where. Where it started. And then I spun off and did my own podcast with the tier one podcast.

B (43:25)

Got it.

A (43:25)

And so that's kind of followed me over there and it's. And here's the other thing. We. That. That last podcast and did it same format as this one. One. One episode a month.

B (43:35)

One a month.

A (43:36)

I'm sorry. Gosh. One a week.

B (43:37)

Oh, one a week.

A (43:38)

And we called out Rob O', Neal, Tim Kennedy and, and John McPhee for

B (43:46)

not being heard of that one.

A (43:47)

For not being completely honest to the American public about what? About what they did. Those are, those are three episodes. 130, 140 episodes. The rest of them. That's, that's not what we do. You know, we. The rest of them are other Navy SEALs and other green Berets and a few other Deltours operators and a few SWAT guys and firefighters telling true, real stories. Undercover law enforcement guys just doing amazing things against the mob and undercover agents against motorcycle gangs. That's what we do the most. But for. You don't, you don't get remembered for that. You get, you get remembered for the dramatic things, clicks, the controversies.

B (44:27)

That's why I host debates, because those always get the most views.

A (44:30)

Yeah.

B (44:30)

Yeah. So the goal of the show sounds like it was to provide perspective from people fighting for the country.

A (44:37)

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. It's, it's, it's the, it's the give them. And part of it was, you know, the special operations guys, they, they get a lot of clicks. They just do.

B (44:48)

Yeah.

A (44:49)

We also want to provide platforms for, for police, firefighters, infantry guys. The infantry, which, you know, isn't special operations. They, they don't get glorified for, for going through, you know, insane training and, and Gucci gear. But you know what, they're the ones just, just sucking it up in the desert day in, day out for a year straight with the, the least amount of equipment, doing the most, with the least in the worst of conditions. And we want to tell those guys stories too. They did amazing things during the global war on terrorism, but it's just been overshadowed by, by, by special operations.

B (45:30)

Yeah, Special ops people are fascinated. Right. I think because all the movies.

A (45:34)

Yeah, the movies, you know, the, the training is, is, is fascinating. The, the targets you go on, you know, are fascinating because they're high value targets and usually quick in and out missions and, and you can tell them in a, in a fun, interesting way sometimes. That is a, A, a hard part of sometimes getting the infantry guy stories out because some people don't want to hear. It's like, well, we drove around all day and didn't see anything. And then we drove around all day the next day and didn't see anything. You know, they, they like it's a little bit mundane.

B (46:13)

Yeah.

A (46:13)

But coming from the military world you can have, you can absolutely ask questions in a way that, that, that relate to people listening because they still get, they do get into firefights but relate in a way that trust me, their, their story is just as interesting. It just, it's, it's just. You just have to figure out, you just have to be a little more creative and how to, and how to pull it out of them.

B (46:39)

Yeah. Have you been able to get pretty much every guest you want at this point or do you have someone in mind that you want?

A (46:44)

I'm working on Post Malone right now.

B (46:46)

He's in a little controversy today. I don't know if you saw it.

A (46:49)

What do you do?

B (46:50)

He got spotted in a photo with Dan Bazerian and for some reason that photos in the Epstein files in 2018.

A (46:57)

Really?

B (46:57)

Yeah, it's him and Dan sitting on a couch. I don't know what that was about but now he's a cool dude. He's, he's a genuine guy.

A (47:03)

Yeah. I just. Quick story about, about him and why him? I just not, I'm not big into rap music. Hold your surprise. Nothing against it, just not, not a lot of rap music. My playlist. Of course if I knew who Post Malone was. I see him on a, on a late night show and I just decided to listen to him and he was the most respectful guy artist I think I've ever heard. Just yes sir, no sir. Almost. Almost. A little bit bashful if you will. I think that's a strong word, but very reserved, very grateful. I was like, man, that's, I think I got this guy all wrong. That was years ago. And then, and since then he's come out. He's done country stuff, he's done rock stuff, he's done rap stuff. He's collabed with Ozzy Osbourne.

B (47:53)

Yeah.

A (47:54)

He's gone shooting with, with other special operations guys. He's just a really unique personality.

B (48:01)

Yeah. He's gone on ghost hunts. Zach Bagan's out here. I Saw that episode.

A (48:05)

So I think they want to go take him shooting and do some. Do some. Maybe some hostage rescue work with them and then sit them down and do. Do an interview with them.

B (48:14)

That'd be cool. If you're watching this post, Malone, hit him up.

A (48:16)

There you go.

B (48:17)

How else can people watching this support you, man? Where can they find the show, find your companies and all that?

A (48:22)

It Instagram, tier one podcast. You know, same thing with all the social media channels. YouTube, Spotify, iTunes. Tier one podcast. The number one. Tier number one podcast.

B (48:33)

And you got a business where a percentage of the proceeds go towards firefighters and law enforcement, right?

A (48:38)

Yep. I own frcc. So it's first responder coffee company, first responder cigar company and first responder cask company. That's at frc FRCC shop. We do coffee, cigars and bourbon. And parts of that. Of every sale goes back to support first responders. I still get out and I still train first responders and SWAT teams, usually for free. That's part of our give back program as well. So after I retired, I just kind of started training SWAT teams and I found out how much. What a lack of resources that. That they really have. And. And it kills me. People can have whatever. Whatever idea of SWAT teams that. That they want, but guess what? On your city's worst day, going against the worst guys. They're doing the worst things. Those are the people you call and they need training and they need equipment to carry out those. Those type of operations, and they don't have enough of it. So it was just a niche that when I found that out and they were great guys. Great guys. When I found that, I was like, man, I want to do something to support these guys. And so FRCC was, Was. Was my answer to it.

B (49:52)

Cool. I'll buy something tonight, man. Thanks. Thanks for your time today.

A (49:55)

Absolutely. Thanks for having me.

B (49:56)

Absolutely. Check them out, guys. Thanks you next time. Peace. Thanks for watching. All the way to the end, guys. Please hit like and subscribe. It helps us grow the show and helps us get bigger guests. Thank you so much.