The LEGO Scandal That Broke The Internet | DSH 2063

Summary

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Digital Social Hour – Episode 2063

The LEGO Scandal That Broke The Internet

Date: July 14, 2026
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Reckless Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)

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Episode Overview

In this gripping episode, Sean Kelly interviews Reckless Ben, whose blockbuster investigation into Bricks and Minifigs (a nationwide LEGO reseller franchise) has ignited the internet and exposed alleged corporate and police misconduct. They discuss escalating lawsuits, viral GoFundMe campaigns, the dark side of niche collecting, and what it means to take on powerful institutions with the support of an online community. The conversation is candid, irreverent, and packed with inside details on the scandal's evolution, the Mormon Church's indirect involvement, and broader issues of justice, corruption, and creator activism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The GoFundMe and Legal Battles

• Censorship & Takedowns: Ben’s GoFundMe intended to support Brian (whose valuable LEGO collection was allegedly stolen) was taken down after Bricks and Minifigs issued cease-and-desist letters, claiming it was "illegal."
  • Ben: "They took the GoFundMe down...they sent these cease and desist letters to all the things that are supporting me." [01:51]
• Renaming to Restore the Fund: After negotiating with GoFundMe, changing the naming (“Bricks and Minifigs” to “Mystery Company”) restored the fundraiser.
  • Ben: "Can you just change it to Mystery Company?...they put it back up." [02:59]
• Viral Support: The GoFundMe soared to $450,000, but Ben mentions RICO charges could result in legal fees totaling millions.
  • Ben: "Apparently all these lawyers...are saying that RICO cases can get into like the millions." [04:21]

2. The Public and Creator Community Response

• Widespread Support: Most internet creators, legal experts, and the general public are backing Ben and Brian, especially after damning bodycam footage surfaced of their interactions with police.
  • Host: "I feel like most people are on your side and realized I think the most damaging stuff was the body cam footage for them." [05:35]
  • Ben: "It wasn't that bad for me because I was able to film it...What's sad is for all the people that this happens to that aren't YouTubers..." [07:56]
• Recurring Abuse: Ben says many emails have documented similar abuses by Bricks and Minifigs and the local police.
  • Ben: "There's so many stories like, of people emailing my team...this is a regular thing they do, I guess, and they've just never been caught..." [09:58]

3. The Scope and Scale of Bricks and Minifigs

• Market Dominance: Bricks and Minifigs operates over 300 franchises, with revenue near $95 million annually.
  • Ben: "Their corporate income is about 95 million a year. So, yeah, they're a big company." [13:16]
  • Host: "I didn't know Legos was like that. 95 million a year off Legos off reselling LEGO." [13:25]
• Business Practices: They operate similarly to GameStop—buy low from customers, resell high. Some stores have received harassment, which Ben condemns, emphasizing not all franchises are involved in corporate misconduct.
  • Ben: "Don't go and harass these innocent mom and pop bricks and minifig stores. You know, they did nothing wrong..." [14:31]

4. The Lawsuit and the "SLAPP" Strategy

• SLAPP Suit: Ben is seeking to challenge the lawsuit as a SLAPP (strategic lawsuit against public participation), given Utah's strong anti-SLAPP laws.
  • Ben: "Basically a SLAPP suit is if they're suing you in order to silence criticism...Utah has pretty good slapp laws." [04:46]
• Escalation: The stakes have risen further: Bricks and Minifigs is suing Ben and Brian for $1.4 million.
  • Ben: "I'm still not like, I'm not sure if it's 1.4 million each or if they're trying to get 1.4 million from all of us..." [21:23]
• Community Funds Targeted: The company is allegedly trying to seize the GoFundMe and Patreon donations collected for legal defense.
  • Ben: "They're just trying to take everything, dude...their whole tactic is if they financially drain the people they're going against, then they just win..." [22:26]

5. The Alleged Scheme and Mormon Church Connection

• Speculation of Larger Motivations: Ben speculates that the controversy over Brian's LEGO collection ($80,000 value) is just the tip of a more complex money funneling scheme possibly linked to the Mormon Church, with a history of similar incidents.
  • Ben: "I think Bricks and Minifigs might be a Mormon front for some very illegal activities...I think there's a scheme to get money for, like, the Church of Mormonism." [14:54; 23:16]
• Mormon Community Pushback: Ben clarifies he doesn’t paint all Mormons negatively—he receives support from many Mormons and thinks the ‘bad apples’ are being rejected by their own community.
  • Ben: “I have some Mormon friends...it was weird to see that someone Mormon could be this evil...But...majority of Mormons are not going to protect these people.” [26:57]

6. Precedents and Previous Investigations

• Pattern of Corporate Bullying: Ben details his history being sued by powerful organizations (Scientology, Flat Earth Society, TBS, McKamey Manor) and the creative legal workarounds he’s used.
  • Ben: “Scientology...tried to sue me for a million dollars...TBS tried to sue me for $5 million, so I sued them back for $5 million and $1…” [37:32-38:19]
  • On McKamey Manor: “I looked up his LLC…he forgot to renew his LLC, so I bought his company from him.” [38:32]
• Impact and Dangers: He references a still-unreleased investigation even HBO found “too gnarly” to air, suggesting the structures enabling such abuses are much deeper.
  • Ben: “HBO watched it and they were like, oh yeah, we actually can’t pose. This is like too gnarly. That was definitely the scariest one I’ve ever done.” [41:07]

7. The Path Forward and Demands

• Conditions to End the Saga: Ben lays out what it would take for him to stop making videos about Bricks and Minifigs:
  • End the lawsuit.
  • Return Brian’s LEGO collection.
  • Admit wrong-doing and publicly apologize.
  • Stop further bullying or retaliation against others.
  • Public apology from the American Fork police, acknowledging falsified narratives and mishandling.
  • Ben: “They gotta end the lawsuit. They gotta give the stuff back to Brian. And they have to say that they were wrong and they're sorry and they'll never…bully anyone else again...” [43:01]
• Possible Outcomes: If Bricks and Minifigs continues the lawsuit, Ben assures listeners this will keep the videos—and attention—coming.
  • Ben: “It’s up to Bricks and Minifigs. It’s their decision whether I make more videos on them or not…” [16:01]
  • Ben: “If I had to choose, I would like Bricks and Minifigs keep suing me like you’re helping my career. It’s awesome.” [16:19]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the police narrative:

  “The question really is like, why would they destroy a $400 million company over $80,000? Like that’s the unanswered question, you know.”
  — Ben, [01:00]

• On police misconduct:

  “I just trusted the police, I guess…which I’m starting to learn now that the police will just lie. You know, they’re not good people all the time. You know, sometimes the police are bad people is what I’m starting to learn.”
  — Ben, [06:30]

• On Internet activism:

  “It’s not just Bricks and Minifigs against me. Now it’s Bricks and Minifigs against the Internet. And they’re not going to win against the Internet.”
  — Ben, [16:19]

• On corporate litigation tactics:

  "If they financially drain the people they're going against, then they just win, even if they're in the wrong...It's like the perfect business model, you know?”
  — Ben, [22:26]

• On community and personal support:

  “If anything, it’s just brought me and Brian closer because now we have, like, mutual trauma, you know?”
  — Ben, [19:00]

• Host on creator lending:

  “I think the most damaging stuff was the body cam footage for them. That was just crazy once it got to that part, you know?”
  — Sean Kelly, [05:35]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:51 | GoFundMe taken down, legal censorship from Bricks and Minifigs | | 03:44 | GoFundMe restored, legal threats escalate | | 04:21 | RICO lawsuit and financial stakes explained | | 05:35 | Internet’s reaction; bodycam footage impact | | 09:58 | Pattern of similar abuse; emails from affected community members | | 13:16 | Bricks and Minifigs’ revenue & business practices revealed | | 14:54 | Speculation of Mormon Church connection, ongoing series development | | 19:00 | Lawsuit strengthening friendship between Ben and Brian | | 21:23 | $1.4 million lawsuit’s scope and possible outcomes | | 22:26 | Corporate legal tactics to drain resources of accusers | | 23:16 | Alleged financial schemes; Coffeezilla’s investigation recap | | 26:57 | Ben’s thoughts on Mormons, ‘bad apples,’ and community responses | | 37:32 | Reckless Ben’s history of being sued by powerful organizations | | 41:07 | Reference to a banned HBO investigation; stakes of the work | | 43:01 | Ben's demands for saga's resolution |

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Final Thoughts & Closing

Ben’s crusade against what he portrays as a bullying corporate reseller and complicit local authorities has catalyzed mass internet attention, a landmark GoFundMe, and larger conversations about justice, creator activism, and the perils of power abuse in both business and law enforcement. With upcoming video exposés, legal battles, and growing support, the story is far from over—unless Bricks and Minifigs takes the "smart" way out, admits fault, and makes Brian whole. Otherwise, Ben’s digital David vs. Goliath story rolls on, with every escalation making it only bigger.

“It’s up to Bricks and Minifigs...I can move on to the next video if they want to...They gotta end the lawsuit, give the stuff back, say they were wrong and sorry...and stop bullying.”
— Ben, [43:01]

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Links Referenced:

• [Reckless Ben’s GoFundMe] (link)
• [Ben’s YouTube Channel] (link)

For More:
Stay tuned for upcoming episodes and investigations, and follow the links above for the latest updates on the ongoing LEGO scandal.

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Transcript

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[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

I just trusted the police, I guess. And I said my, they got hacked, you know, but, but that was the narrative. And I was like, well if the police are saying it's, the police wouldn't lie, right? Which I'm starting to learn now that the police will just lie. HBO watched it and they were like, oh yeah, we actually can't pose. This is like too gnarly. That was definitely the scariest one I've ever done. The question really is like, why would they destroy a $400 million company over $80,000? Like that's the unanswered question, you know.

[Podcast Host]

Okay guys, we got reckless Ben tuning in virtually right now. You guys have probably seen his story and everything going on. Good to see you, Ben.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

What's up? How's it going?

[Podcast Host]

I'm doing well, man. I can't say the same for you, but fill us in on all the, the latest updates, man. I saw the GoFundMe got taken down. There's a lot of, a lot of stuff going on. What's new, dude?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

It's insane. So yeah, they took the GoFundMe down because I guess they sent like Patreon, they sent gofundme. They've been sending these cease and desist letters to all these things that are Supporting me, I guess. Basically, I think Bricks and Minifigs wants that GoFundMe money. So they're like, hey, there's a court order saying that this is an illegal Gofundme. You have to take it down. And so they took the Gofundme down. And then I have, like, four GoFundMe contacts who've been, like, reaching out to me because apparently this is, like, one of their biggest GoFundMes right now. And so I called all four of the contacts, and all them just ghosted me. I was like, what the heck? And I was calling them for, like, probably over the span of, like, two, three hours, and they're just ghosting me. So I make post. I'm like, hey, like, the GoFundMe got taken down. I can't talk about it or else I'll go to jail. So. And then immediately, like, all four of them are just like, hello, like, talk to us. Like, we want to get, you know, and stuff. And so I get. A bunch of people just started, like, harassing GoFundMe or something. I don't know. And they were like, like, what can we do to get this GoFundMe back up? You know, and stuff. And. And they're like, yeah, we got, like, these Susan assists from bricks and minifigs. Like, there's a huge legal thing going on. Like, we don't want to get sued and stuff. And they were like, we just can't say bricks and minifigs. Like, because I think in the GoFundMe it said Brian put his Legos inside bricks and minifigs. And then they got lost or something. And we're trying to help him try to reclaim his collection. I didn't even say it. Bricks and Minifigs stole it, I don't think. And they were like, we just gotta change bricks and minifigs. I was like, can you just change it to Mystery Company? And they're like, yeah, that works. And so he changed it to Mystery Company. Brian put his legos in a mystery company. And then they got lost. And so they were like, oh, technically this works. So they put it back up. So the GoFundMe is now back up and receiving more donations again.

[Podcast Host]

So, yeah, last time I checked, it was at, like, over $400,000, right?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

I think it's like 450 now. It's insane. Wow. Which we were like at first. We were like, oh, my gosh. Like, this is more money than, like, we're ever in need, like, our entire lives, you know, like, the most Money I've ever had in my bank account before, this was probably like $10,000 or something. So we're like, what are we going to do with all this money? You know, like, this is insane. Like, and then we start looking it up and apparently all these lawyers online and these are like professional, like lawyers, I guess they're saying that RICO cases can get into like the millions, I guess. So it looks like it's going to be just a fraction of what we're going to have to pay if we get charged for rico, which is what they're trying to charge us with. So we'll see if that happens or not. But we're getting anti slap lawyers on it because basically a slap suit is if they basically are suing you in order to silence criticism, which is what it seems like this is. So we might just be able to get it dismissed because it's a slap case and Utah has pretty good slap laws. So we might be able to get dismissed, but if not, could be in the millions for lawyer fees, which sucks. But I don't know. The power of the Internet, I. I feel like we can raise it. So I don't know. It's crazy though.

[Podcast Host]

I mean, you do have the Internet on your side right now, right?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Oh, I. I think so. I'd like to think so. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I hope so.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

I mean, I feel like the Internet's mostly good. I feel like the Internet mostly hates thieves, you know, so it's like, if I'm trying to take down a thief, why wouldn't you be on my side, you know, I guess maybe some people don't like the way I went about things, but for the most part, I think people just understand that what I'm doing is just goofy and it's just all in good fun to make fun of the bad guy, you know, I've

[Podcast Host]

seen most creators cover you favorably, like penguins, couple lawyers. I feel like most people are on your side and realized I think the most damaging stuff was the body cam footage for them. That was just crazy once it got to that part, you know?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, I'm pissed that we couldn't get the body cam footage in Oregon. That would have been really funny too, but in Oregon they don't wear body cams, but they do. So we. That was like. The first thing I did was, I can't believe the. They accidentally leaked the body cam. The other redacted stuff of John. I was insane. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Can you just show or. No.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

What?

[Podcast Host]

Can you use that in court or do you think they'll Say that it wasn't obtained.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

No, you can. So at first everyone was calling the police department to see like what this footage was and the police department was saying they got hacked. That was the official police narrative, was that they got hacked. But I think they were just too embarrassed to admit that they leaked it themselves. Because if they leak it then now you can use it in court because it's an official police release. If they. Even though it's an accident, it still counts as an official police release. So that can be used in court. That can be used. So yeah, that's an official, like, statement from the. Like those are official police documents that are good for the public to use. So that's why I think they were trying to lie and say that they were hacked. Because if they were hacked, then we're not allowed to use this footage, you know, but because they released. So I think they were trying to cover up this thing. It just, again, it's just another cover up, you know, by the police. But yeah, it's insane. But I was stupid and I just took the police's word for it. I just trusted the police, I guess. And I said my, they got hacked, you know, but, but that's when that was the narrative. And I was like, well, if the police are saying is the police wouldn't lie, right? Which I'm starting to learn now that the police will just lie. You know, they're not good people all the time. You know, sometimes the police are bad people is what I'm starting to learn. Because my whole life I was just like, oh, the police were good, you know, But I guess in some instances, maybe they're not. I don't know.

[Podcast Host]

It is nuts because yeah, we're taught growing up to really, you know, respect police, trust them with everything. But I think that body cam footage was just. That was hard to watch, dude. Yeah, the way you got treated was just like. Because people were putting themselves in your shoes, I think, and were like, dude, that's unacceptable, you know?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Well, it wasn't that bad for me because I was able to film it and make content out of it. So I'm like, not really complaining about it. But what's sad is for all the people that this happens to that aren't YouTubers, you know, or that. That. Yeah, and they aren't filming it and they're just like some Mormon family that's getting abused by the police, you know, and it's like they're just getting taken advantage. Like there's some businessman or something that's just Getting taken advantage by the police and then they genuinely just get screwed. You know, it's like I have the whole Internet on my back. I'm still kind of getting screwed. You know, it's like think of the people that don't have the whole supporting them, how screwed over they're getting. And so yeah, it is kind of interesting to think about like when you think about like that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. When I mean you're getting screwed for sure. When I think of rico, I think of Mafia. I've never seen it in a case like this, you know.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah. No, it's insane how many stories have come out and they're like bricks and minifigs has done the same thing to me, you know, like I got screwed over by bricks and minifigs. I got screwed over by the.

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[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

There's so many stories like, of people emailing my team and them telling me about and they're like, like this is like a regular thing that they do, I guess. And they've just never been caught for it, you know. And holy crap. Insane that. Yeah. So I think that's why also we're getting a lot of support because people have felt this abuse before by this company and by the American Fork police. And they're like, we just need to like finally someone's exposing like some, finally someone's like, brave enough to like, stand up to this, you know, because most of the time they're str. Like both the American Fork Police and bricks and minifigs, their strategies. Even though we're in the wrong, we're gonna bully them because we have the power and they have to listen to us, you know? And so now finally I'm like. I don't know, like, they have a lot of power, I guess, but like, I kind of have the power of the Internet right now. So it's like their police power and like bricks Mayfig's like money power versus my, like, Internet power. It's kind of like the perfect battle right now, you know, it's like Dragon

[Podcast Host]

Ball Goku versus Frieza type battle. Yeah. You think LEGO is going to make a statement on this or you think they're going to kind of just play safe?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

I've been trying to get a sponsorship. I like, I reached out to this management company because all these, like, management companies are trying to give me like, brand deals and sponsors now. And so I'm. I've never like, really been into sponsors because I'm like, I don't ever want to post something in my video that people just skip, you know. So I've always been against that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

But so I've just been telling these management companies, like, hey, if you can get me a partnership with Lego or if you can give me like a brand deal with lego, I'll definitely, like, sign with you, you know, and so I'm just trying as hard as I can to get. Because I think that would be like the ultimate, like, diss to bricks and Minifigs, like, reckless sponsored by lego, you know, like the LEGO is spot. Like, what if LEGO is sponsoring the downfall of bricks and minifigs? I think that would be so funny.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, that'd be nuts. So is bricks. Well, go ahead, go ahead.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

I was gonna say bricks and minifigs loves basically, like, they brag all the time about how they have like the best relationship with Lego and that's why they're number one. Like, out of all the LEGO LEGO resellers, we're number one because we have. We're the only LEGO reseller that actually has a real relationship with lego. So if LEGO sponsored my video, it would just take their, like, claim away of why they're the best. I just think that'd be like, that's like the biggest, like. So then it's like, no longer just a sponsorship. It's like a plot point of the video, you know? And so that would do a sponsorship, I think. But yeah, I've been trying to reach out to Lego, but they're a big company. They don't really like to make controversial statements like this. I guess that could, like, make their partners mad. So it makes sense why they've really spoken out yet. But maybe they will soon. We'll see. I don't know.

[Podcast Host]

So Bricks is the biggest reseller. How do you know how many stores

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

they have bricks and minifigs? 300. And I think, wow. I think they opened up like 200 in the last two years or so. I'm not. I could be wrong on that. You might want to double check that. But I know they have 300 franchises and they're, they're growing like crazy. Up until I posted my documentary, I'm not sure if they're still growing and opening new franchises. I would assume not. But they, they have been growing very, very, very fast.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap. So they got, they got a ton of money basically, is what you're saying.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

I think their income, their corporate income is about 95 million a year. So, yeah, they're a big company. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I didn't know Legos was like that. 95 million a year off Legos off reselling Lego.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, they're not even selling. They're just reselling Lego. They're like. They're like Gamestop for Legos.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, so you trade in your collection, they lowball you, and then they resell it.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yep, exactly. Yeah. And they're kind of getting a lot of crap right now because people are saying, like, oh, they advertise, they pay like 50 market price, but then they end up paying like 6 or 7%, I guess. So I don't want to, like, make like crap on the other bricks and minifigures. I feel like most of the other bricks and minifigs out there are actually, like, really, like. I mean, they could be just a moral local Lego mom and pop Lego shop that has nothing to do with this. And they just happen to have the same brand name as this other store that did some really bad thing that they don't support, you know, but they can't talk out against it or else corporate will come and seize their store. So corporate's kind of just put all these other stores in a really bad position. And now these other stores are getting harassed and stuff, which I definitely don't support. I always want to say, like, don't go and harass these innocent mom and pop bricks and minifig stores. You know, they did nothing wrong they just wanted to have a successful store and corporate messed up. It's not their fault. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So your third episode's coming out. This is going to come out after. But do you plan on making more episodes on this series, or do you see it wrapping up soon?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

I'll just say I think Bricks and Minifigs might be a Mormon front for some very illegal activities. And I think we're going to uncover a lot of crazy stuff soon. So I think this is just the beginning. And also, if there is a law, if there is a lawsuit, assuming they don't just end the lawsuit, like, yeah, assuming they don't, like, get smart and just end the lawsuit. Like, the smart thing to do would be to end the lawsuit, because they are going to absolutely lose. But if they want to be stupid and, like, ruin their whole country or, sorry, their whole company and sue me, then it could take two to three years. So in that case, this would literally just be the beginning, you know, like, so. Or they could end it and just not sue me, you know, and then I would just move on to the next video series because I have, like, 12 different, like, topics I'm doing right now. Like, the Lego is just, like, why I have, like, some other crazy ideas I'm doing. But so if they would just not sue me, I would just move on to the next video idea. But if they want to keep the videos going, then they could sue me, and that would make the videos keep coming. So, uh, yeah, pick your.

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[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

It's up to bricks and minifigs, you know, it's up to bricks and minifigs. It's. It's their decision whether I make more videos on them or not, you know, so whatever they decide, I'm not, I can't make that decision for them.

[Podcast Host]

The ball's in their hands. But that is pretty crazy. Hearing this could be just the start of something bigger, man. That's, That's.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

I personally, I, I, I really hate the fact that they're suing Brian because not only did they steal from him, but now they're suing him for, like, like, oh, I'm gonna steal from this person. And then I'm gonna sue him for talking for, like, talking about how I stole from him. Like, that's stupid. So I, I definitely want them to stop suing Brian, but I hope they keep suing me, because then the video, like, like, my career is doing the best it's ever done right now, you know? So it's like, I want them to keep making. I want to keep Doing videos on this. I don't want to move to the next thing. So if I had to choose, I would like bricks and minifigs. Keep suing me like you're helping my career. It's awesome, you know, but. But I do think they'll probably end the lawsuit just because why would they continue? It's literally a losing move for them to continue the lawsuit. And they know that. And they know that. They used to use these lawsuits as a way to bully the little guy. But no longer am I the little guy because I have the whole Internet support now. It's basically bricks and no longer just bricks and minifigures against me. That's what it was. But now it's bricks and minifigs against the Internet. And they're not going to win against the Internet, so. Right. And they know that now, but. So I feel like they're going to probably drop the lawsuit just because of that. But I don't know. We'll see. I hope they sue me. That'd be best case scenario for me at least. Because if they go through a lawsuit,

[Podcast Host]

what a, what a saying. I hope they sue me. I love it. Yeah, they're probably trying to bring Brian into this to try to divide you guys. Right. That's probably their tactic.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

How would that divide us though?

[Podcast Host]

Like I try to stress you guys out financially and then have you guys turn on each other. Usually with lawsuits, they start off suing as many people as possible.

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[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

That's interesting. I don't. If anything, it's just brought me and Brian closer because now we have, like, mutual trauma, you know?

[Podcast Host]

Trauma.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, we have, like, shared trauma now. Like, we're both being sued by the same thing and supporting each other. Like, I made the GoFundMe to support him. And so, if anything, this has just brought us, like, super close together. Like, now it's like Brian's like, look at this thing. Like, Ben raised all this money for me. Ben's awesome. I'm like, dude, Brian's getting screwed over for something he didn't do. And that makes me like, if anything, this has brought us much closer together.

[Podcast Host]

That makes sense. His grandfather definitely found out about all this by now, right?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, I think he told him a little while ago. Once he raised. Once we hit the goal for the GoFundMe, like, the $120,000 or whatever, because that's what he was afraid of, is that he was trusted by his family with their family's life savings collection. And then he failed and ruined and basically lost his family's life savings, you know, so, yeah, I mean, that's like, I would hate to tell my parents that, you know, that lost our family's life savings. So he just didn't tell him. And then. And also, his father was in poor health, and stress is something that makes his healthy health even worse. So he's like, not only. So then if I tell him about this, I could even be making his health worse. So finally, now that we raised the money, he was like, okay, now it's safe for me to tell my dad. And he had a great conversation with them, and they were happy, and it was awesome. And literally a couple hours later, we find out about this $1.4 million lawsuit. And he's like, no, I just told my dad about this, and now I'm getting sued a hundred. Like, 1.4 million. And then he got super stress. And then the stress just came back again. It was like, oh, my gosh. This is. It's like. It's almost like life doesn't want us to have nice things. It's like we finally got something nice. You know, after two years of working on this, I mean, I haven't been at this for two years, but he's been dealing with this for two years. So after two years of stress, there's finally A moment of relief and it just instantly goes away. Like. Yeah. Short lived.

[Podcast Host]

Just. Just when you thought it was over, he gets served the. So the one point you said $1.4 million lawsuit, was that from Briggs, Brick, Bricks and minifigs?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, I mean, I. I'm still not like, I'm not sure if it's 1.4 million each or if they're trying to get 1.4 million from all of us as a total, but I just know it's 1.4 million is the lawsuit.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I think slap definitely might work because they know you guys don't have that money. I mean, I don't know.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

From the GoFundMe is get. I mean, maybe the GoFundMe will hit that by the time. Because it's gonna take them at least two years to sue us. So maybe that GoFundMe hits a million within the next two years. I don't know. Especially if we keep making videos on it. Like, they, they want that, that GoFundMe money so bad.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, God.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

That's like the. That's like the community's money. Like, the community came together to refund Brian and they want the community's. Like, why are they entitled to the community's money? It's stupid. But I don't know.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, Brian's collection wasn't enough. They want the. The money that's being donated to. That makes sense now.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, it's stupid.

[Podcast Host]

And they went after your money with the Patreon stuff. Right? I saw that video.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

They're just trying to take everything, dude. It's insane. They just. Yeah, they just want to. I mean, it's. Their whole tactic is if they financially drain the people they're going against, then they just win, even if they're in the wrong. And so, yeah, just financially drain your opponent. They can't hire. Like, you'll see this in the fourth episode that's coming out soon, but basically they have a history of stealing people's life savings and then basically just hiring the best lawyers. And then since I stole from you, you can't now hire lawyers because I already stole your life savings. You have no more money to hire lawyers. And then I just win. Even though I'm wrong, I win because I have money. You don't. I stole your money. That's why you don't have money. And it's like the perfect business model, you know?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

And that's why I think they're going so hard with this because, like, dude, the amount of money they still owed Brian it was like less than a hundred thousand dollars, I think. So it's like. I think now with the Coffee Zillow video out, we found out it's like less than. It's like $80,000 that they owed Brian. It was like, why are they going to destroy a $400 million company over $80,000? I think it's deeper than just, oh, we're grief that $80,000. I think they have a scheme to get. I mean, this is all speculation. We're investing in this in the fourth episode, but I think there's a scheme to get money for, like, the Church of Mormonism. And this is all speculative, but, yeah, like, if. If they get caught with this 80,000, like, they take over stores illegally and then use the money to put it in the Mormon Church. And if they just happen to take over a store that had a consignment and they don't want to give it back because that, it would kind of show everything that they're doing that's wrong. I don't know. You'll see in the fourth video, it gets kind of crazy, but.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, that's nuts. I didn't see the Coffeezilla video yet. That must have just came out.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, the Coffeezilla, he calculated all the costs and stuff, and it looks like he might have. Brian might have only been owed $80,000 left because the collection was advertised as a $200,000 collection, but maybe some numbers were being exaggerated by the owners is what he found out. And also, Brian was paid some for the sets by the old owner before Corporate took over. But then once Corporate took over, then they just took the rest of the Legos and didn't pay them. So it looks like it might have only been up to $80,000 that he still owed. And so the question really is, like, why would they destroy a $400 million company over $80,000? Like, that's. That's the unanswering, Unanswered question, you know?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I'm sure you looked into the corporate, the company that took over when that happened, and who's behind it at this point. Right?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, Ammon, Brandon and Josh. Yeah, they've. They have. We're saying. We found they have a history of doing the exact same thing to other people's stores. This is not the only time they've done this. They. They have a big history of doing this.

[Podcast Host]

That's nuts, man. Because for people to collect for so many years, something like Legos, it's. It's an emotional bond and to. To Just steal it like that. I mean, it's more than just financial damage, you know?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, yeah. It's crazy. I mean, like, this family was also like, huge, like Star wars, like, fans and stuff that, like, when I went to Brian's house, they had a bunch of books and stuff of like Star wars books and like Star wars like posters and everything. Like, they're huge, like Star Wars. Right? So it's not just like, oh, we were just collecting this to make money. It was like, no, like, they love Star wars, dude. And like this was like a world record set for them and they were like, proud of this. And for just get stolen for them just sucks.

[Podcast Host]

That's what I'm saying, man. When people collect for decades like that, whether it's Pokemon or Legos or whatever, like, it's, it's their lifestyle, man. You're taking that away from them. It's. And they're just hiring the best lawyers and shutting people up. It's crazy.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And you said other people have reached out to you with similar stories, right?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Sorry, what you say.

[Podcast Host]

You said other people have reached out to you with similar stories of their collections being taken.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Oh, yeah. That's gonna be the next episode is all about that. Like, find out the history of this basically this Mormon scam that is basically this huge, like, illegal money scheme. It's crazy. It turns out it's much deeper than just this one little thing that happened, I think.

[Podcast Host]

So your view on Mormon people has changed recently?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

No, I, I, I, I always thought, like, I had a bunch of Mormon friends. I have some Mormon cousins, actually, and I, I had some Mormon friends. I was in high school. They were super cool. We'd always like, explore abandoned buildings together and stuff, you know, like, other people are like, drinking and partying and stuff. Like, we would kind of be straight edge and like, we still did crazy stuff, but it was like, I don't know, we would like, like surf skateboards behind cars, go cliff. Like, just do crazy stuff like that, you know, that wasn't like, against the golden rules. I was never Mormon, but. And then, yeah, it was really weird to see that someone Mormon could be this evil and steal a collection like that and like blatantly lie, you know, and how can a Mormon be that evil? I thought, you go to hell, like if you're Mormon, you know, like, there should be a huge incentive not to be evil if you're Mormon, you know?

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Sounds confusing for me. And then why are all these Mormon police officers protecting these evil people? This is weird. And then A bunch of Mormon people start hitting me up, and they're like, dude, these are like the bad apples, you know, like, the majority of Mormons are not going to protect these people. And I went on a Mormon podcast and they were like, you'd all our Mormon. Like, basically everyone in the Mormon community hates the American Fork Police Department right now. And Josh, Brandon, I think the Mormon community. Actually, Josh used to be really high up in, like, the Mormon Church. He was on some board of directors or something, I think, and he got taken down. So, I mean, so it seems like Mormon people are doing the right thing. Like, they're getting rid of. It doesn't seem like the Mormons are protecting this guy. They're trying to actively get rid of them. So I don't think my view on Mormonism has changed. I think they're. I. I do think a lot of their beliefs are very goofy and lack common sense, but that doesn't mean they're bad people, you know?

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Like, I disagree with things they believe in, but it doesn't mean they're bad.

[Podcast Host]

I'm with you on that.

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[Podcast Host]

It was either your first or second episode. You went to the church, you found some young Mormon kid and sent him to his house. Right. Do you still talk to that kid?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

He's on Instagram. No, I. I tried to. Dude, I was trying to find a Mormon so bad because I was like, dude, like, if. If we. Because I was like, dude, that's the solution, you know, like, we just gotta. Because, like, I was like, I know a lot of Mormons just from, like, back in high school and stuff. Like, I know how Mormons think. And. And like, the average Mormon is not gonna be cool with someone doing what Josh and Brandon and Ammon are doing. So I was like, dude, if I just let the Mormons know he's doing, then. Then, dude, they're gonna, like, be outraged. And, like, that's how we're actually gonna get this Lego collection back. So I kept, like, trying to find Mormons and, like, none of them were down, dude. It's because they were just, like, scared, I guess. I don't know, but I think. I think they thought maybe I was, like, trying to expose Mormonism, because I have gotten a lot of comments throughout the years, like, dude, you gotta expose the cult of Mormonism. You know, Like, a lot of people really want me to make that video where I take down Mormons. So I think probably all the people that were, like, DMing me on Instagram and stuff that were Mormon were Probably like, oh, shoot. Like, he wants me in his video because he wants to take down Mormon, and I don't want to make my Mormon religion look bad. So I think they were all just. Most of the people I was talking to were probably just scared about that, but. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Well, the church has a lot of power, man. They're suing my fellow podcaster, my friend John Dellen. He owns a podcast called Mormon Stories.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Really? Why?

[Podcast Host]

He's had guests on like that are ex Mormons. I forget what they're called. There's a name for it. And he just has them share their stories about the church, their experience growing up, what was good about it, what was bad about it. And, yeah, they're suing his podcast, man. He had to change his logo, his branding and everything. It's. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Wait, Mormon Stories is what? But he's not claiming to be Mormon. He's claiming to share Mormon Stories. That's not copyright.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I guess the church was saying they own certain images and branding, and I don't know. It's. It's a really nasty lawsuit, man. I'll send you it after this. What the heck?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

It doesn't sound like a Mormon thing to do to sue someone for sharing their story. That's not. It's not very Mormon.

[Podcast Host]

Like, that's what a rational person, which

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

is not being very Mormon right now. Oh, no.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, man.

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[Podcast Host]

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[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Wait, so he's being sued by a religion or someone that's in the religion?

[Podcast Host]

No, he's being sued by the whole Mormon Church. Let me try to find it, actually, just so I'm not talking out of my ass.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

So a church has the ability to sue someone? That's insane.

[Podcast Host]

Well, yeah, because the Mormon Church is a. Is a business. Yeah. So the Church of Jesus of Latter Day Saints filed a federal trademark and copyright lawsuit in. In US District Court in Utah against ex Mormon podcaster John Dellen and his nonprofit, the Open Stories Foundation. So his podcast is a nonprofit, which is crazy. I didn't even know that. Alleging that his branding and imagery of Mormon Stories podcast are intentionally confusing the public.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Oh, no.

[Podcast Host]

Isn't that crazy?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Dang. It doesn't seem very Mormon. Like, oh, no. Oh, no. They should probably Be careful, man.

[Podcast Host]

Be careful with your par four and par five.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah. I mean, most Mormons are on my side right now. I'd say so, because I feel like I'm doing the Mormon thing to do, you know? I'm taking down a thief and a liar, and I feel like that's something the Mormon religion would stand behind. So.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I mean, I honestly see Mormons as completely different from the actual people running the church, if that makes sense. I feel like those are. We got like differentiate because, like, Mormons just going to church, those are people trying to live by the Bible or whatever.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

So yeah, it's like saying like, it's like someone from another country criticizing me for what Donald Trump's doing, you know, it's like, for sure. Well, yeah, like, like I'm an American. Just like how a Mormon could be a Mormon. But like, just because I'm an American doesn't mean I have to agree with my politicians. Like, the people who run America, you know, like, maybe all the people that run America suck, but I can still be like, I'm a proud American, you know, so. Yeah, and then it'd be like, you're right, like someone from another country making fun of me because of what my politicians are doing. It's like, well, I don't agree with what the politicians do, you know, I just happen to be in the country that the politician's running. But like, I don't agree with my leader, you know, so maybe it's the same with Mormonism, you know, it's like all the. Maybe the leadership's really bad, but the Mormons inside it are good people. I don't know.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, you could say that for almost any major religion, I feel like, you know.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah. Not Scientology, though.

[Podcast Host]

I was just gonna ask about that, actually, because you did a whole three week investigation on them, right?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, they. They kind of suck, but they're. I feel bad for them though, because they're kind of just like all brainwashed, but they are doing kind of bad things, I think. But they can't really help it because they think they're saving the world from Xenu. They still don't know anybody. They've been, They've been taught a lie since they were. Most of them were born because people don't really join Scientology, just kind of born in it. So they're all like in the Truman show, you know, like their whole life is a lie and it's just like feel bad for them. It sucks.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, you investigated before all those tick tockers started running in there, right?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, I did it when the narrative was if you talk bad about Scientology, they'll just come and kill you.

[Podcast Host]

I was like, geez.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, it was scary. A lot of people thought I was gonna like, Die or something.

[Podcast Host]

You serious? I didn't know they were. They were known for that. Is that. Is that actually a thing?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, they have to. Cause it's called a clause. It's like the anything goes clause or something. It's not what it's called, but it's something like that. Like any means necessary clause or something. But basically, to silence criticism, you can. You're allowed to take any means necessary to silence criticism, and the church will cover you for it, which includes murder.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

And that's a real clause inside Scientology. I forget the exact wording, but it's something like anything goes clause or something. It's something similar to that.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap. That's crazy. Did they end up trying to sue you or shut you down?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, they tried to sue me for, like, a million dollars, and then just for, like, defamation. Because, like, the stuff you're saying is not true. You know, I was thinking about it, and I was like, well, actually, a lot of the stuff Scientology says isn't true. You know, like. Like, for example, I was in there, they were saying that if you, like, you should go in asana for four to eight hours a day to get rid of your toxins, that's the first thing you have to do. That's the first step every Scientologist takes, is they have to be in the sauna for a long time. And however, what science says is that you're only supposed to be in a sauna for 15 to 20 minutes. So think, if any company advertised a sauna, like, because you have to pay $2,000 for this program, it's called the. The cleansing program or something. So if any company created this program and average made people pay to get in the sauna for four to eight hours, they would get sued for false advertising so fast. So I started thinking, well, how does Scientology get away with this? And they get away with it because they believe it's true. So they believe that if you're in a sauna for four to eight hours, that it makes you healthy. Even though it's false science, they believe it to be true. So it's not false advertising. So you can't sue them for that. So I was like, well, what if I just believe all the things I said in my documentary about them? So I created my own religion called the Church of Scientology. Sucks. It got legally approved by the IRS. It's a real. You can go on the IRS's website right now and look it up. It's still an active church. There's an active religion. And I just Believe that everything I said in my documentary is true. So they can't sue me for defamation if I believe it's true, you know, and if they sue me for what I believe in, in America, that's a. That's breaking the law. That's called discriminating against a religious. No, Scientology is discriminating me against my religion for suing me for what I believe in. So.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

I just thought of an idea. We should make the Church of Lego and just say we believe in all this stuff we did. If bricks and minifigs sues me for my documentary, which they're suing me for 1.4 million right now, then I can just be like, oh, well, I just believe that this was the right thing to do. It's the Church of Lego. You can't sue me for what I believe in. It's a religion. It could be interesting. I might be way out of this.

[Podcast Host]

That's nuts.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Hmm.

[Podcast Host]

How many. How many times have you been. Yeah, get. Get to the drawing board on that one. How many times have you been sued or threatened to be sued? At this point? It seems like it doesn't really phase you anymore.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, the first one was Scientology. That was crazy. That was a little scary because it was like my first time being sued. It's like billion dollar. I don't know how much they're worth. Probably a couple. Probably 100 million, I'd say, at least, versus, like, I was living my car at the time. So it was. I literally had nothing like, at all. I was just some, like, homeless kid. And then the. I think the Flat Earth Society tried suing me, but they're just, like, stupid. So that wasn't like, hard or anything. And then TBS tried suing me. That one was kind of scary. They tried to sue me for $5 million. So I sued them back for $5 million and $1. So when we crossed through each other up on top of dollar. And it worked. Uh, and then that one was scary.

[Podcast Host]

Big brain play.

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[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

That they're like a billion dollar company. That one was scary because they had, like, million dollar lawyers and stuff. That one was. They were. They were trying to take me down. Dude, that was scary. That was the scariest one I've ever been. That was scarier than this one, I think.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

And then who else. McKamey Manor tried suing me, but for, like, copyright infringement, kind of similar to the religion thing. He's like, you said McKamey Manor in your documentary. So I get to sue you for that because that's my Company name. But then I looked up his llc, and I saw he forgot to renew his llc, so I was. I bought his company from him, and. And so I'm like, you're gonna sue me for saying my own company? Like, if anything, I should be suing you. You. You're running a business out of my company name. So I actually own McKamey Manor LLC. Like, I literally own the company now.

[Podcast Host]

That's hilarious.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

But, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And they ended up shutting down, right, that. That haunted house.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah. I was the last person to ever. Or me and my friends, I guess. I guess I had, like, two or three friends going after me, but we were the last people to ever go through it. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So you pretty much got them shut down.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, I'd say so, yeah. I mean, there's still an AG investigation going on. I. It. Government's just so slow. Like, that was, like, two years ago, and they're still investigating it. Like, they haven't made a decision yet. But, yeah, it's shut down, and I guess they're just seeing if he's going to jail or not. Still.

[Podcast Host]

That's insane. I remember seeing videos of that place. It looked horrific.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, it was all a lie. It was all fake the whole time.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, so he didn't actually torture you there?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

No, he did, but all the contraptions and stuff, he's like, McKay Manor didn't exist. It was just, like, three rooms. He would take you, and, like, he would either waterboard you or he'd hire people to beat you up, and that was it. He would claim that he has all these scary contraptions that, like, do all this crazy stuff, but no, they would just. And then. And then he, like, all his props got broken and stuff. So, like, he only had props for, like, two years. Then he would just take people in a car. He's like, okay, we're drive to McKamey Manor now, you know, and so they get in the car, and then he just hires people to just beat them up, and then they give up before they get to. He's like, oh, I guess we got to take you to the hospital. I guess you can't go to McKamey Manor because you have broken bones and stuff, you know? And.

[Podcast Host]

What?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, no, it didn't exist. So, yeah, he is hurting people. He's torturing people. But it's not like, a haunted house that he claims is. He's just, oh, get in my car. Well, let's drive to the haunted house. And then you get beat up before you even make it there. And, yeah, it's terrible. Really bad.

[Podcast Host]

Dude, which of your investigations would you say was the most dangerous? I know you mentioned Scientology was pretty scary.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Scientology scary because, like, there's known to, like, kill people and stuff. I'd say the TBS one.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, just which one was that one?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

I went on a reality TV show. The experiment was, you know, it's like competition shows, like America's Got Talent and stuff. It's like, who actually wins? Is it the. The. The person with the best talent or is it the person with the best backstory? You know, so I went on with, like, a fake backstory. I was, like, a medium talent. I, like, wasn't really that good of a talent, but, like, my backstory was, like, killer. Cause I made it up. And so I was like, I wonder how far I can go with, like, not that much talent, but, like, a really good backstory. And at work, I got pretty far. And then they sued me, and they just went really hard on me for that. But I don't know. I do have one that's unreleased. I was supposed to be on hbo, and HBO watched it, and they were like, oh, yeah, we actually can't pose. This is, like, too gnarly. That was definitely the scariest one I've ever done. That's, like, way scarier than this whole Lego thing. Scarier than tv. That's definitely the scariest thing I've ever done, But I can't even. I could tell you, like, off camera, but I can't tell you. Like, I can't even mention it yet, but statute of limitations is coming up. I filmed it two years ago, and statute of limitations is three years. So it's coming up on, and then I can post it. But as of now, like, it's. That one's, like, super gnarly.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I bet, you know, the law is pretty well at this point.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Yeah, My friend Danny did it with me, and he fled. He's been living in Bali ever since because he's afraid. He's afraid to even in America right now because of that.

[Podcast Host]

What?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, it's that bad. Holy crap.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

It's crazy. Yeah, I could tell you, like, after.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, tell me after. I definitely want.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Or I could tell you now. You could react to it, but you have to promise to censor it.

[Podcast Host]

But, yeah, tell me now. I'll send. Actually, no, I don't trust my editors enough for that. Tell me after. Oh, yeah, that's crazy, though. Hold anything else you want to close off with here or get off your chest or let the Audience know. I'll link the GoFundMe as well.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

I don't know. I feel like they covered a lot Crazy, I guess. Yeah. It's just up to bricks and minifigs now. It's like the balls in their court. It's like however they like. I can move on to the next video if they want to. This is what's going to take for me to move on the next video. They got to end the lawsuit. They got to give the stuff back to Brian. And they have to say that they were wrong and they're sorry and they'll never apology any.

[Podcast Host]

What an apology? Basically, yeah.

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

They have to now. They have to say they were wrong. They have to say they're sorry or they have to say they don't have to be wrong for the whole thing. If they can prove that maybe Crystal stole some of them, but they have to at least say they were wrong for the sets that are proven they stolen. They have to say they're sorry and they have to say that they'll never bully anyone else again the way they were bullying Brian. Because I don't want future people to get bullied by Brixton. I want this bullying to end, you know? Right.

[Podcast Host]

And do you want an apology from the police department as well?

[Ben (YouTuber/Investigator)]

Oh, that'd be sick. Yeah, I throw that in there. So, police department, say you're sorry for lying about the stop sign and say you're sorry about lying about the papers that were already served. Be like. Because you, you. The. The chief of police reviewed the footage and said that we already served the papers before when he clearly knew that the papers weren't served. And he said that because he knew it would make the police department look better. So he lied to make me look like a liar and a bad person publicly. He tried to make me look like a liar publicly in order to protect his police department. So I think if he just comes out and says, hey, I made you look like a liar to protect my police department and I'm sorry, I won't do this again, learn from my mistakes, then sick, you know, I'll forgive them. It'd be awesome. And then we can maybe go out and have a beer and become friends and just put the past behind us. But the bulls in there, I don't think they'll do that. But if they do, I'll say, hey, American fork, please apologize. Let's not hate on them anymore and let's go out and have a beer and become friends with. I just want everyone to get along and be friends, you know? Right? Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

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