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The Lost World They Erased... | JT Follows JC | DSH #2067
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What if the timeline most people believe is not the real timeline? In this Digital Social Hour episode, Sean Kelly sits down with JT from JT Follows JC to discuss biblical prophecy, Tartaria, the old world, Satan’s Little Season, ancient architecture, the pyramids, Atlantis, Nephilim, demons, Hollywood symbolism, political control, Israel, dispensationalism, and the Book of Revelation. JT explains why he believes parts of history may have been distorted through a false timeline. He connects ancient megaliths, flood stories, the Tower of Babel, the Book of Enoch, fallen angels, giants, Tartarus, and lost civilizations to a biblical framework. The conversation also explores cloning, gene editing, consciousness transfer, celebrity culture, algorithmic control, political blackmail, Epstein, media manipulation, modern Israel, end-times theology, and why JT believes many churches have misunderstood prophecy. This episode is a deep dive into history, theology, symbolism, control syste...
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A
What we're told is the Daniel Prophecy was supposed to be sealed up, and this all took place in about 500 years. People will tell you now that the Book of Revelation was told not to be sealed up. Time was at hand, and it's been 2,000 years, and nothing's taken place yet. And I think that it's like the ultimate psyop is the fact that if the devil was to deceive people, the best thing he could probably do is he can't hide everything. But he could maneuver things around a timeline. Maybe he could do, like a false timeline or make you think you're on a different part of it.
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B
I've never had a guest talk about Tara, so I'm curious. Where do you think that region was? What time period? All right, guys, got JT on the show. Been trying to make this happen for a while now.
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A
Yeah, appreciate it. Appreciate the opportunity.
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B
Your life been pretty crazy lately.
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A
It's been fun. It's been fun. Obviously, doing the podcast full time has given me the opportunity to come out to Vegas and, you know, meet lots of new people and stuff like that. So it's. Yeah, I'm enjoying it. God's bless me.
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B
How's the show going?
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A
It's going good. I mean, obviously, the more I can network and the more I have the ability to. To read and try to research stuff. Yeah, it's getting better, I think, hopefully.
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B
Yeah, that's your bread and butter, right? You basically research topics and disseminate the information. Dumb it down a little bit.
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A
Yeah, well, I'm kind of like your everyman, so, like, I try to have to be able to make it palatable for people because I'm just a normal guy just doing all the research myself. And like I said, so I'm not like an expert on per se, on anything, but I may be like, you know, Jack of all trades master, but, yeah, like, I mean, I think I'm just a normal person, so I like to speak to normal people in a way that I can.
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B
Which. Which topics have you spent the most time on researching lately?
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A
Well, you know, I go by jt, Follows jc So JCB and Jesus Christ. So, like, everything kind of comes from, like a biblical perspective. You know, when I first started doing a lot of research, it was about kind of like codes in the movies and symbolism, stuff like that. Secret symbolism. But, you know, what I've been focused on most recently would be, you know, people talk about Tartaria or the Old World, and I like to talk about it in relation to something called Satan's Little Season where the idea that there's this very advanced civilization that seems like it could have been kind of recent that we're not really told about. So the, obviously the big tells are the architecture.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I think that's interesting because it does seem like that there's evidence of something and when I can tie it back into the Bible, it, you know, I think it's, it's way more important.
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B
Interesting.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So I've never had a guest talk about Tartara. So I'm curious, where do you think that region was and what time period?
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A
Well, I think that when we talk about Tartaria, it, it kind of is like a catch all phrase for just, okay, so you see like a Greco Roman building or a Gothic cathedral, some kind of a, an architecture that we're told is built probably in the 1800s. Well, obviously could be built in with the, within like the last thousand years. So Tartaria is a place on old maps, typically somewhere like in northern Asia. And so people have made the connection. Oh well, they don't talk about this old empire anymore. So therefore all the architecture is related to Tartarians or Grand Tartary. Now if you read old books, it mentions Tartary a lot. It mentions the Tartars. Now some people just say that that's what the Europeans called like the Mongolian Empire. But I think there's, there's a little bit of truth and I think there's a little bit of vagary and it's like the shadows of history just, it's not really that clear. But what I think is the architecture is worldwide. So some people have been led to believe that oh, the Tartarian Empire was around the whole world. I just think it's just showing like that there is a architectural style that it transcends all the continents. You know, you have Greco Roman architecture and like southern Africa, you have it in Australia, you have it in northern Asia, you have it all through the Americas, through Canada. And I just think it's, it's, it shows that there was a connected civilization probably for, I mean at least for the last couple thousand years.
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B
Wow.
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A
And so, but Tartaria, again, it's kind of a catch all. Some people, I like to kind of phrase it more like the old world, old world architecture and. But no, I mean it's just, I mean obviously the proofs in the pudding. Like I see, you see buildings and people say like we don't build them like we used to.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And that's certainly true. But like the real question is why, you know, why would it been. Why would have been feasible to build buildings out of stone and granite and marble that are supposedly used by, you know, when people had no power tools, horse and buggies, hammers and chisels? Like, how. How Was that feasible five, you know, 500 years ago or 200 years ago? And then today we just build up just the most basic boxes in order to make widgets. Like, we have no concern about making a lasting legacy of a building. It's just put it up as fast and as cheap as you can. So when we see these old courthouses and state buildings, we're like, why don't we build things that look like works of art like they used to?
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B
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A
I mean, I think that that's. It's what's kind of similar to saying, like, I'm not sure how they were built. I. And I don't doubt that Maine could build buildings like that. The real question is, why don't we anymore? Well, like I said, cost wise, it's like, it's kind of similar to ice. When I first started getting into research, I was looking at, like, ancient Egypt. And I like to kind of show ancient aliens. I thought the. Their premises are kind of dumb. But the questions were kind of interesting about when you see pyramids on all the continents, again, like, kind of similar to the same architecture, they're asking a question. So if you have pyramids in every known continent, was that evidence that these societies were connected, you know, 6,000 years ago, 5,000 years ago? And then. So then when you get into like, well, how did they build the pyramids? Well, you don't. It doesn't make sense to me if this, If. If the mainstream science is saying they use copper tools. Well, it doesn't make sense if the stone is harder than the tools they're using. How did they cut any of this stuff? So all that being said is I don't know how they built them, but I know that they didn't build them the way they say they did. In the same way that I don't believe that it makes a lot of sense to spend, you know, 500 years building a cathedral. You know, it's like. It's kind of similar to the stories of the pyramids. It just doesn't. How do you build something that you're not actually going to get to enjoy? Not only you're not going to get to enjoy it, you're going to. Your grandchildren aren't, and your great grandchildren aren't. This is like. It's these stories. We have a lot of questions about them. So, I mean, I would say that I. I don't know.
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B
Basically what I'm thinking of is like, a large piece of history is lost, and I'm wondering if that's intentional or not. You know what I mean? I'm wondering if they're intentionally hiding that information or we just. It got lost over time, naturally.
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A
Well, I think that the truth is I got this book recently, and it was called American Antiquities and Discoveries in the west. And it was by this guy named Josiah Priest. And it's interesting. The book is originally. It was a reprint from, like, 1833, and it's asking a bunch of questions about the things they discovered in America, you know, supposedly when the Europeans got here. And it just. I don't know, like, the way I'm reading the book, it just. It's like he's trying to theorize about lots of things. But I think that we live in a day and age where we obviously have a public school system created mostly by, like, the Rockefellers.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And so we believe, like, our history is, like, a fact. Like, we got all, like, this is what the book says. But you can see, like, 200 years ago, they're asking questions about lots of things. And so I think the truth is, history was never, like, a settled thing. I mean, you have, like, the famous quotes from, like, a Napoleon, like, history is a set of lies agreed upon.
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B
Yep.
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A
I think that's the truth. I mean, like, we. We're told over and over again how the winners write the history books. So if you think about it, like, the way that we're told, like, American history is you have, like, these robber barons, like Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, JP Morgan, people like that. They're credited with building America. Yeah, well, that's what we're told. But I mean isn't it interesting that if the Rockefellers are the ones who basically where we get the modern school system from? Well of course they're taking credit from it. And you think about like this, the, what we're told about the industrial revolution is that we had this economy that's just completely changed to a petrol based economy. And even like in America still we have like the petrodollar and we're still going to wars based on oil. Well, I think that that's kind of like the big conspiracy about like the old world is what if they had an alternative energy, like a free energy, like something that's tapped in with some of these buildings. They have what we call antiquatech. They have all these copper roofs, domes and spires. You know they have like the geometry in these buildings seems more than just aesthetics.
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B
It's sacred geometry.
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A
Like. Yeah, sacred geometry. Like you think about some of the cathedrals, they have these rose windows that are like based on like cymatic patterns.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like the frequency and the resonance. So. So people have wondered what if some of these buildings were like energy sources? Kind of like some people have wondered that like what was the true purpose of the pyramids?
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B
Pyramids?
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A
Yeah, yeah. I think like an ancient battery or something like that actually does kind of make sense.
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B
Yeah. Some people think they forget the word. You could teleport through them. Stargates.
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A
Stargate. Well, yeah, I guess I'm open to everything, but I just think that when you build something like on such a scale it, it probably had some kind of purpose. I want to say even the guy, Oscar J. Hansen, who's famous for creating the statues over at the Hoover Dam.
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B
Yeah.
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A
He was comparing the construction of the Hoover Dam to the great Pyramids and I thought, you know, what if he's, you know, you could say on the basic first level is he's doing it because it's obviously got tons of concrete, it's a huge structure. But what if it is more than that? What if it's like just like the Hoover Dam, it's producing electricity through hydroelectric turbines. What if the Great Pyramid had some kind of a turbine in there? Like where they called like the king's chamber. So you have all these shafts in there. What if it had some kind of ancient machine in there?
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B
That'd be nuts. Is there any mention of the pyramids in the Bible?
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A
The Bible never mentions the pyramids directly. Obviously the story in the Bible about the Exodus, you have the Israelites were building stuff for the Egyptians with bricks. Well, there's. The story goes, is that when Moses tells Pharaoh to let his people go first, obviously Pharaoh gets mad, and then he decides to take the straw away from them to be able to make their bricks. Well, the pyramids aren't made of bricks. I don't think. I have seen actually interesting video where somebody was running up the Great Pyramid and there was some bricks.
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B
Vitali. Yeah. Arrested for that.
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A
There was some. There actually was. If you did see, like, if you slowed it down, there was a spot where there were bricks. Now, what we're told and what it looks like is typically the. There's obviously granite inside the pyramid, and the outside is limestone blocks.
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B
Right.
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A
So it doesn't seem like that's what the. The Israelites were building, but there is a. There is. I want to say some of them, I think they called this step Pyramid of Dozier is made of, like, smaller bricks. So it's possible they were building that, but it really never gets into exactly what they're building.
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B
Interesting. It makes me wonder if the pyramids predate the Bible, then.
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A
I think that my. My theory is that the biggest megalithic, like, structures around the world, like, bow back in. In Lebanon. And you think about some of, like, the stuff in Peru. Yeah, I think those things were probably before Noah's flood.
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B
Wow.
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A
You know, so that survived the flood. Right. You know, if you really think about it, if, you know, if you believe the biblical story, which is, you know, kind of corroborated by all kinds of mythologies all around the world where they talk about gods from the heavens, they talk about giants, and they talk about a. A deluge, this massive worldwide flood. I think that it makes sense that if you could get a lot of things wiped out, well, what would be. What would be left? Just the big structures, probably stones, they were too big, too big to move. And so what happens. What, like, what follows the flood in the Bible is the story of the Tower of Babel, and it mentions how they. They were making bricks to build this tower to heaven. Well, again, it seems like whatever they were doing before the flood wasn't about making bricks because they were the stones they were using. Like, one stone, like, like, was in Baalbek. The. The stone of the pregnant woman. I want to say it's like. It's well over a million pounds, but they have the trilithon stones or, like, at the foundation of this ancient temple. I want to say that each one of those weighs a million pounds.
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B
Wow, that's crazy.
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A
It's one. One stone So I mean, honestly, it's. It seems like that if you could still do that, you would. Yeah, I mean, because. Why wouldn't you? Because it would be awesome to. To build structures like that.
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B
Yeah, that'd be nuts.
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A
But the logistics don't make any sense to us now. So that's the real question is like, how did it ever make sense to anyone?
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B
Yeah, must have been some advanced technology or something. Aliens, who knows?
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A
They had to have something. Again, like, that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't know how they did it, but I know that they didn't do it how they said, I don't care how many people you got. There's also, I want to say the Serapeum in Egypt, some of these really weird ones where. That's the place where they have all these boxes and they said that they were likely kept for like bulls. Now these things are like granite, like sarcophagus things. And they're about 7ft tall. They're. I can't. They moved like 5ft wide and like they're I think 15ft long. I want to say they say the. With the lid included, these things weigh 70 tons.
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B
Holy crap.
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A
Now if you look at the way it's kind of lined up in this building, this thing is underground and these things are just neatly fitted in kind of like these almost like stall little areas. There's no room for them to get in there. Like, you know, like the logistics of like, how did they turn it in there? How did they get it in there? It's almost like somebody took the roof off and they lowered them down in there.
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B
But wow.
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A
But the point is, is that when we're told like by historians, it's like, oh, well, they had lots of slaves or they had the Israelites. Right. They just got a bunch of people. But. But your numbers wouldn't mean anything when the space. It'd be like trying to maneuver something that big in here. You can only get X amount of people to. You know what I mean?
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B
Yeah.
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A
To fit in the place. So how did you get it in there? So the truth is, we don't know. I mean, it could have been sound. Sound resonance.
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B
I've heard something.
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A
Vibrations. I mean, that makes a little bit of sense, but I mean, I said it's just, it's a massive mystery.
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B
I've heard that theory with the ancient civilizations. Like, I don't know if you believe in Atlantis and Lemuria or stuff like
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A
that, but yeah, I do. I mean, actually I think that Atlantis, if it was a real story. I think, again, that's probably a Days of Noah story because it. It's actually fits perfectly with the story of, like, the Book of Enoch in the Flood, because you have a story where we're told that Plato got it from Solon, and Solon, I think, pass it like Herodotus. But I mean, this story is like 400 years removed from Plato. Like the original story where Solon went to Egypt and got this story about ancient Atlantis. And so the story goes is that Neptune or Poseidon founded this city and he had sons with women. Yeah, well, he had. You know, so Poseidon being one of the main gods, the brother of Zeus, he has. He takes wives of Earth people, you know, regular humans, and he has sons who are the demigods, like, people like Atlas. And so they ruled this place. And at very. At the beginning, it's very advanced. It's very sophisticated. They got all this technology and all this stuff, but then it becomes corrupt, as they say, as the divine spirit in these people dwindle, and then so eventually it's judged by the other gods. With a flood. I mean, that's basically. That's basically the story. If, like I said, if it's not an actual real place, real story, it fits perfectly with the story of, like, what the Book of Enoch talks about is that that the angels, the watchers, came down, they sinned with women, they had offspring. These were giants or Nephilim, and these were like the men of renown, the heroes of old. You know, because you're thinking like your mind. When I. When I first put that in Genesis 6, I was like, this is the story of the demigods. This is like Hercules. This is like the story of, like, Perseus. And so it kind of makes sense that if you have this, like, royal lineage, that, like, literally these people are related to gods, which I believe are like the little G gods, like angels that God created. And then their first offspring are likely incredible. Like, you know, think like a Thor, like a super person. Well, at some point, the angels cannot continue to procreate because God does not allow it anymore. So then these people still breed with each other to keep their, you know, their divine lineage strong. So as they do that, this incestuous kind of family, like, their gene pool gets real shallow, like Game of Thrones, right? And then so eventually they become corrupt, like genetic corrupt, and you get all these mutations, right? And so what, you know, what basic precedes the flood is that the giants become, like, bloodthirsty, cannibalistic and all they do is fight in war.
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B
Wow.
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A
So I would say that that sounds kind of like what you're getting with, like, the story of Atlantis now. I think. I think it absolutely could have been real. Like I said, I think that. Yeah. Lemuria. What is it? Is it moo as well?
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B
There's a lot of them. Yeah. I don't know if you probably don't believe in past lives, but a lot of people, like, talk about past life memories in these places.
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A
Well, it makes sense. If you believe in a spiritual world, you think about demons because, like, the whole idea of, like, familiar spirits, that that's where, like, people know about demons, but they really don't know, like, where demons come from. Some people believe, like, demons are like fallen angels. But what, like the Book of Enoch would talk about a demon, or at least what we would most associate with a demon would be like, an unclean spirit, like a ghost. And so the Book of Enoch gives you, like, the origin of where these ghosts came from. These. These unclean spirits were the deceased giants.
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B
Oh, really? That's where demons come from?
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A
Yes. Well, yeah, according to the Book of Enoch. Well, like, demons, kind of a generic term. Like angels. Like a generic term? Yeah, like angels of duty. Devil's even a generic term because, like, devil's basically like deceiver demon. You know, demons, like demonic. Satan is also like an accuser. But the point is, you could call like a. You could call the devil a demon or a devil, but that's just a kind of a description of what he. What he is. His character is like. But now, like a. But as we talk about demons. Yes, those are like the unclean spirits. So like when in the Bible when, like, Jesus is casting out demons out of people. Yes. Those unclean spirits, their origin was like a giant, like an ancient giant. So the interesting part is that if you had somebody who claimed to have a past life and this memory of this place, like Atlantis. Well, if you really think about it, like, these demonic spirits would be ancient and they literally could have been from there.
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B
Holy crap.
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A
Yeah. So, like, the idea of, like, the. Even you get into, like, the, you know, like the human sacrifice rituals that, like the Aztecs did.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I think it's really interesting when you consider that, like, why did they do this? Like, they're trying to please these certain gods, and so there are still do it or not, Right? Absolutely. So the. The thing is, you have these people, you know, committing these satanic rituals to get power and knowledge from these ancient gods. And if you Think about it, like, they might well be able to tell you how the pyramids were built because they could have been the ones who did it.
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B
Wow, that's nuts. So that's some immense knowledge they're sharing with these guys.
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A
Well, they, you know, like when you see like the megalithic stuff, it doesn't make sense for us with our human bodies. Like how like the logistics make no sense. So it makes sense if you had bigger people and you also had people with knowledge of things that we don't even understand.
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B
Right.
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A
So I think that that's probably is the missing component of, of how did they do some of these things? Well, it involved, it was involved like super people.
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B
The Nephilim.
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A
The Nephilim.
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B
Have they ever found skeletal remains of any?
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A
Oh, absolutely. I mean, well, the, the thing is the, Well, I mean, of course, I want to say back in like the WikiLeaks dump, they were talking about discovering the tomb of Gilgamesh, you know, so that, that was basically right before I think, was it? He got the invasion of Iraq, you know, an invasion of Iraq. And I think with 2003.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Is that they discovered the tomb of Gilgamesh, supposedly.
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B
Interesting timing how they distract you from.
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A
Right.
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B
Breaking discoveries with a war.
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A
Well, it's kind of like that movie like you mentioned, like Stargates or portals, like the movie Stargate from like the 90s, like the James Spader one. They show like this old newspaper clipping of them pulling out this, you know, this giant, like stone looking stargate. Right. And so that's kind of always been like the, like, did they find weapons of mass destruction? You know, I'm saying like that we're looking for, you know, atomic bombs or something. Yeah, but what if the, what if the, the weapons of mass destruction was something ancient?
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B
I've heard they were. That's why they were there. I've heard that theory.
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A
Yeah, absolutely. So when they, when they first invaded Iraq, what there was this looting of this, this famous museum in.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And that's the place they went to. Right, right, right. Logistically it makes no like. Or strategically it makes no sense. They, they come into Iraq, I think there's like a small skirmish with the Iraqi army, but then the United States takes a beeline to Iraq, which again, strategically you would go destroy their army fully because then obviously you're free to go about, do anything, but they go right to Baghdad and then before you know it, the museum gets looted. And I want to say that there was a general or something, a high ranking US military official, he was saying that it looked like an inside job. It looked like the people who were going in there knew exactly what they were coming to get and they left fake stuff. They were taking Sumerian tablets and damn and things like that.
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B
So what happened with the tomb of Gilgamesh?
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A
See, I think that's the interesting part is because I don't think anybody really said whether, you know, because it was like in the, in the emails it was like they might have found it, but they never really said for sure. And I think that's kind of interesting. Especially the, the Epic of Gilgamesh, I want to say, is like literally the most ancient writing that we do have. It's like, it's like the oldest one in history. And what is really significant about that is, is the fact that it's stated in that, that Gilgamesh was 17 foot tall. So it's kind of like interesting a question like that. If you found this Tomb, was it seven, you know, was it over 20ft? Like how big was this tomb? And you know, because if you see like the, the famous like iconography of Gilgamesh, he's like holding a line like it's a, like it's a house cat. So that's always been like the real interesting question. Like in this community if you think you can talk about like the, the CRISPR technology, like the idea of them trying to play like this mad science, you know, Frankenstein's monster. What if like a story like Jurassic park is talking about them trying to bring back dinosaurs, right? What if they were actually trying to bring back like giants, like trying to get like the genetic code out of them. If that's.
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B
I know they already brought back the mammoth.
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A
Right? But I mean, so that was when you see like the CIA, they had this, this pass through company called in Q Tel and they were funding this, this company called Colossus, which is funny
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B
because I've had on the CEO bro.
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A
Right, right. So that what they were stated they were trying to do was like what, bring back dire wolves, woolly mammoths, Tasmanian tigers.
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B
And he already did. He brought back all of them already.
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A
But I mean, so, but, and what in God's name is the CIA funding this kind of research? Like why would we care about bringing back direwolves? Well, we wouldn't. So I mean, I think that is that again, like that's the COVID story because if you can bring back a woolly mammoth, can you bring back a nephilim?
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B
Wouldn't be far fetched at that point, right?
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A
No, I mean, of course yeah, that gets into the idea of if they. Well, if they could do that, would they do that?
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B
Right.
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A
Or CIA. Or if you could perhaps like modify like, you know, your own DNA with something that makes you get real big or real smart.
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B
They're already doing that too, with crispr, right?
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A
Yeah, exactly. So they got this gene editing technology.
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B
Do you think you lose your soul at that point though, if you're editing your body?
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A
Well, I mean, I think that's the, the idea. So that's, that's the real interesting question. Oh, to go back to the book of Enoch is what it states is that like, God never intended the nephilim. Like, this is an abomination to him, that like, the angels were not supposed to procreate. They didn't need to because they are like immortal beings. Like, so there's no need to procreate. Now us, on the other hand, we gotta replicate each other because we are mortal. We'll die out. So the point is God didn't intend that. So, you know, like, God had like an intention for where our spirits go when we die, but it really. He never intended for these, these beings. So that's why many of these spirits were destined to roam the earth as unclean spirits. So it also mentions the Bible that Jesus did not die for the angels. So there's something about us as humans that God created us in his likeness and he's got a plan for us. So if you mess with your humanity. Yeah. I mean, I think that's a grave sin. I think that's something that you would get into, like where you're playing God, you're. Yeah. You're going outside your role. And like. So what's the purpose of, like, doing that? Yeah, I mean, it's. It does seem like these elites are working on some kind of idea of like some kind of a breakaway situation from.
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B
Yeah, they're all bunkering up.
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A
Right. And so their idea of like, the idea of like being immortal is something they've always been talking about. I mean, obviously that's probably goes back for forever.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Is that men trying to outlive their normal.
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B
I think they've realized you can't be immortal in one body. So I think they're working on transferring the consciousness. You know what I mean?
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A
Yeah. That's interesting. I was funny. I was just talking to you about, like, we were talking about cloning before we got on air. There's this show on, on Apple TV called Foundation. And I just was really. I was really struck with this idea that it's some very sci fi show. Pretty good, interesting show. And they have this gigantic galactic empire and it's ruled by this emperor named Cleon. Well, Cleon, when the show picks up, they're all like, Cleon the 11th. And so they had cloned the original emperor and they've got all these tanks with all these versions of the emperor where they've got multiple versions of this emperor, but it's all the same consciousness of this guy.
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B
And he's split the consciousness.
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A
Right. So these people are like perfect genetic clones, but they're also learning from every previous version of them of themselves. And yet there's something that is so eerie about that. We're like, is that, is this a tell? Is this, is this something that they are doing? Because, I mean, we know that if they could do that, they, they 100, they 100 would do that.
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B
People think a lot of presidents, world leaders are operating that way.
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A
Yeah.
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B
When you talk to remote viewers, a lot of them admit there's cloning facilities.
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A
Yeah. So that's the real question. And it was funny because I. I bring up this movie up all the time because I think it was such a good movie and it was so deep. The Prestige, you ever see that?
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B
I didn't see that one.
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A
The Prestige is super good. It's Christopher Nolan and it has, you know, Hugh Jackman and Christian Bale. Yeah, it's. Well, it's got David Bowie in there as well. And. And also Michael Caine. And so what's really interesting about that, that movie is that it's these magicians who are basically like illusionists. And so I'm gonna spoil it for you. Yeah, if that's okay. So. So the movie kind of centers around this trick that this, that Christian Bale's character does about. It's called like a. Some kind of like transporting man where he like bounces a ball, he goes into a door and then comes out this other door separated and catches the ball. And then of course, people are left like, how did he do it? Well, Hugh Jackman's obsessed, like, trying to figure this trick out. And eventually he does something similar. Well, Michael Caine helps him and he's like, the only way he's possibly doing that, he's got to have a double. So he has a double of himself. That's the only way the trick works. So that eventually Hugh Jackman or Michael Caine finds Hugh Jackman somebody who looks very similar to him. And when he's dressed up on stage, he goes, he looks exactly like him. But Hugh Jackman's Never satisfied with that trick. So eventually, he goes in and goes to David Bowie's character, who's actually playing Nikolai Tesla. And so Tesla has apparently figured out this way to create this machine where you can actually clone yourself. And so the interesting part about the movie is that, yeah, the. The regular magicians are. Are just illusionists. It's a sleight of hand. Right. And it's all based on, like, the consent of the audience. It'd be like if. If I was. You know, if you go down to, like, go see Criss angel, like, you buying that ticket and walking into that theater is like, you're giving consent to be tricked. Like, you want to be tricked. Right. And he's kind of like, when Michael Caine's describing how a magic trick works, he's diagramming each phase of it, and he's saying. He's like, but you're gonna look, and you're not gonna see it. He's like, because you really don't want to see it, but you really don't want to know how the trick's done because you want to see magic. And so that's how regular magicians operate.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But then they make a point to say that Nikola Tesla, on the other hand, David Bowie's character, he's an actual wizard. Like, he's actually doing actual magic through science or whatever. And so the thing that really struck me about that whole movie was the fact that it turns out later that Michael Caine was right, that Christian Bale did have some kind of a double, but he had a twin. But. But he was so devoted to this trick that him and his brother literally had to split a life in order to do this one magic trick. And then. So I. But I really started to think about. I'm like, okay, so you have three. What they're really showing you, of course, in this movie about magic, you have three different ways that you could have another. You. You could have a twin. You could have a double, like a doppelganger. Or literally, it could be cloning. And I just thought, you know what I mean, that idea really had struck. Stuck with me, the idea that, you know, there's these stories about Joseph Mengele, you know, famous Nazis, you know, scientists, goes down to South America, and then there's a place that, you know, they've made a movie about it called, like, the Boys from Brazil.
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B
Yep. People think Hitler went down there.
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A
Right. Where they have this idea that you have the anomalous amount of twins and triplets in this area where supposedly he was going down There and working, like, at some kind of fertility clinic.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I've always heard that, and I thought that was interesting, but then I never really kind of put it together. I'm like, what if they were trying to not only make twins and triplets, but what if they were? This was about cloning or what if. Even if it's not, what if most these people that are really, like, in the public sphere, what if they had twins that, like, we didn't even know about? You know what I mean? Like, almost like the idea of, like the parent trap, where these people are kind of putting these people in place, but then they actually have another one of them in some other place where if they needed them to step into this role, they could take one out and replace them with somebody else. I don't know. Just the idea that. That that's how they could be doing some of this stuff. And of course, the idea of having a double for, like a famous leader, it's like something that's like a. That's not even a conspiracy. That's like a thing that.
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B
There was a viral one last week. Jim Carrey, I think. Did you see that one?
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A
Oh, Jim Carrey. Oh, he looks. He looked different. But not only did he look different, he was. He was different.
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B
He talked different too.
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A
He was.
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B
Analyzed the voice people analyzed the facial structure, and it didn't match.
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A
Well, it was. It was like a complete 180 from what he was doing. I might have been like. I'm not sure how many years ago it was. He went to, like, an award show and he was saying, like, this is the most pointless thing, pointless things that have ever happened. I'm so happy to be at this pointless thing. And then now he's learning French so he can accept the award and act like it's the biggest honor of his life to be at this award show. And it's like that's. Yeah. Besides him looking completely different, that was not what you expected. It was. It was like. It was the complete opposite of, like, his progression of, like, how he's.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, where he's, like, sick of this scene. He's sick of Hollywood, he's sick of being famous.
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B
And there's been a few celebrities where you could point similar stories to.
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A
Well, that. The funny part was we were talking about.
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B
On.
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A
On my show about how. So you had Ariana Grande, who's been doing. You know, she was. When she was doing, like the wicked were demonic. So, so weary. Oh, yeah, this was it. Cynthia Nixon.
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B
Yeah.
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A
It's so just off. But she was doing some red carpet interview and they were asking her about something and I can't remember exactly what her answer was that, oh yeah, I was gone at the, the mind erasure treatment. And what she was referencing was a, a part of what I say, the eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. Because it was like she was like kind of saying it tongue in cheek, like she was joking with them. But the way you see it, it's like, this is not funny because she does seem like she, she seems like she's been lobotomized.
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B
MK Ultra.
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A
Exactly. But I just think it's interesting she was referencing a Jim Carrey movie and now we have Jim Carrey out here acting exactly like she was in that bizarre way. You're like, yeah, it's like these people have definitely. Either they're got a completely different person or they have been, you know, physically altered through cosmetic surgery and also they're been lobotomized through like MK Ultra.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Because it's like you, you know, you sign the proverbial, proverbial deal with the devil and it's like, now you, you're not getting out of this deal. Like you, you're still going to work for us. Like, you can't go away. We need you, Jim Carrey. So now we're going to bring you back. And kind of like that's the idea of like, I think the devil's that
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B
powerful where once you sign a contract, he has you for life.
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A
Well, I mean, it's, it's kind of like the stuff that you see in the Epstein files. It's like that, you know, it was crazy. You know, just like we're talking about just like the stuff that's going on in Iran where, you know, Trump, 2016 or 2015, him now is like a completely different person.
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B
Agreed.
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A
He was talking about, you know, so Lindsey Graham's been like one of his biggest cheerleaders now because obviously he loves war.
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B
Yeah. And Israel.
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A
He loves war in Israel. And Lindsey. Or Trump was saying how he's so stupid and how he's so insane and how he's just the biggest joke. He shouldn't be able to win as dog catcher. And now they're. They're buddies. And then you way that you see our politician works, it's like, yeah, the whole idea of like a blackmail scheme like run by Mossad or MI6 or the CIA, it makes perfect sense. It's like, I think that that is just like a microcosm of like how all this stuff Works is these people are blackmailed, they're, they're compromised in some kind of way. I think at the very beginning of it, it's kind of like, well, do you want all the things? Do you want money? You want cars, you want women, you want kids? You have anything you want, we'll do that. But eventually we're gonna get you really compromised. So not only can we take the stuff away from you, but we're gonna completely ruin you. We're gonna ruin your life, we're gonna ruin your family's life. And I think that that's where it's like you're never done. It's kind of like watching like a movie. Like, like a mob movie.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And any kind of like old drug cartel movies. It's like you're watching the movie and you're like, why doesn't he get out? He's got enough money. It's like cuz you can't, you can't get out when you're making, when you're making this, this mafia don money. Well, you can't get out of that deal. It's like as you. Because you owe me a favor.
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B
Right.
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A
And I'm not letting anyone out of this deal.
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B
Yeah. Do you think all these actors are part of it or do you think it's kind of dying off? What's, what do you think about the current state of whatever you want to call it, Illuminati or deep state?
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A
Well, I don't think that most people get a platform like they get without being able to play ball. I mean, that's why you see though, all the references to pizza in these movies and stuff like that, like the Jennifer Aniston stuff and you know, you have like Adam Sandler talking about it, joking about it, all these references to this stuff. I think that it's like you're giving these people so much room to say whatever they want. But I don't think you do that unless you have control over these people. So I think that the interesting part is it does feel like that that celebrity culture has lost a lot of the control that it once had. Because now guys like you and I can be somewhat famous. Right. So you think about like influencers, like that's obviously the next level because, you know, podcasters and people like that are very influential.
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B
Podcasters and streamers.
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A
Absolutely.
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B
My concern is they're going to start infiltrating this space, which I already know they are doing.
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A
Oh, absolutely. Well, that's the thing. It's like, you know, so the, the previous Gen, like the boomers, they're still watching Fox News, but, you know, nobody younger than like 50 is. Is still doing that. Yeah. So. So now it's like, well, the news comes from podcasts and. And influencer lifestyle.
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B
Influencers. Yeah.
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A
So these people who are famous on your phone are famous. And then the box office has obviously lost a lot of its cachet. Like, people don't really even go to the movies anymore. Like, stuff comes on streaming, but, you know, you can pull on. Pull up YouTube or you can look at Netflix. Either way, it's like the people, the views people get on YouTube and things like that. So, I mean, I think that they've. Hollywood has lost a lot of its grip. But I mean, these people who work in, like, these three letter agencies who engage in, you know, Operation Mockingbird where they're. They're still putting their voices in all the spaces. Of course it would be. It's not like they don't see any of this stuff coming. I mean, obviously they're the ones who introduced all this technology.
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B
Yeah. And I'm sure before television, they had control over whatever was hot at the time. Time.
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A
Yeah. And you see how that, who is really the White House is really in bed with all these technocrats.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And so you have. Every one of these big tech billionaires are like, right up next to Trump. And I think they're obviously the ones who are kind of controlling.
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B
You control the algorithm, you control the world. It's that powerful.
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A
Absolutely.
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B
You know what I mean?
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A
Absolutely. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, we all know that when we post videos, it's, you know, the app picks winners and losers. It's not like, you know, you could make a great video or you could have a great podcast and nobody would see it. And it has nothing to do with whether it was good or not, because we know that if they put it on the front page, they put it in the for you page and leave it there. Any video is viral.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But they get to decide that. So it's kind of like that. I think that's how, like, the news is full of lies. Not always outright fabrications, but it's like lies by omission. It's like the truth you don't tell. The part of the story that they want to keep hidden is the lie. Right. So they could tell you something true without actually telling you the whole story. And I think that that's what they can obviously do on social media, where they can make it seem like, like this war in Iran is Really popular. Because if they only promote the algorithm of, like, on acts of, like, all these war. War cheerleaders or, like, on Instagram and TikTok. Well, yeah, I mean, they can make anything look popular. And of course, then they can fabricate the polls and they can say, oh, see, see, look right here. Statistics and lies.
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B
Yeah, Polls are just total bs.
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A
Yeah, absolutely. What do they say? Like, the White House was trying to say the 95% of Republicans or something were supporting, like, the war in Iran, which is like.
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B
But it's lies.
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A
No, it was. It's. It's totally.
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B
I haven't met, other than people that are pro Israel, a single person that has been defending the war in Iran.
- [42:15]
A
No, I mean, I wouldn't think he would unless they were getting paid to say that. They are.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I mean, because. Because all these people on X who were supporting Trump in 2024 was a. Mostly Was about no new wars getting him. Sad of wars, you know, putting America first and things like that.
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B
I don't think I'm ever gonna vote again, to be honest.
- [42:35]
A
My. My last vote was cast in 2020, so I actually did vote for Trump. I voted for him twice. I did not vote from this last time. And so you saw through it this time. It was. It was funny because 2020 was the year that I really woke up to almost, like, everything. When you go from, like, the pandemic to the election funding business. Yeah, I was just like, I'm not playing this game anymore. I said, this is. This is a farce. You know, leaders are. Are selected, not elected. And I don't know, there was just something about it. Like, part of me was like, I almost got drawn back in, but I was like, nah. I said the operation warp speed stuff. I was like, no. Like, I. If he was ever the guy that people wanted him to be, that was his opportunity.
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B
Warp speed.
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A
Yeah, warp speed. And it's one thing to say I got lied to and I. I shouldn't have done. I shouldn't have done it. I was working with the best information I knew at the time. But no, he's like, would brag about being the father of the vaccine, and I was just like, now that that's a bridge too far for me. And then. But I. I never really foresaw him doing like, a 180 on, like, almost everything. So, yeah, I'm. I'm happy that I. I didn't vote for him, but at the same time, like, I know people would say, well, what about Kamala? I was like, well, I Don't think she'd be good either. But I think that, I think that the interesting part about both parties is they, what they always seem to agree on which. So regardless if we had a Kamala Harris administration, we'd still be in this, involved in this war is real too. And there was a clip recently where it came out that Hillary Clinton was praising Trump's foreign policy.
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B
Really?
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A
So you have all these never Trumpers, like the people who said never would vote for him, you know, like the Ben Shapiro people like that, even J.D. vance. Yeah, never Trumpers. They are just talking about how great a job he's doing. You're just, and you're just like, this is so nauseating to watch this. And, and it is, it's, it's two wings of the same bird. And regardless what you get, you're going to get funding of Israel and you're going to get bombs over the Middle East.
- [44:39]
B
Well, the military is the, what, the third largest business in our country now? The military industrial complex.
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A
Well, absolutely, absolutely. So, yeah, so the thing is that, that the war profiteers get super rich when this happens. You obviously have all these contracts still go to rebuilding places after they're, they're destroyed. I mean even that whole thing where like that. I think a lot of Trump lost a lot of people when he was sharing the idea of like Trump Gaza, that really, that really cringe AI video showing all this stuff about like, you know, like as, you know, especially as a Christian, I'm looking at that and I'm like, this is so wicked what's happening over there. And then to callously say, oh, we're going to turn it into some five star resort. You're like, these people, like these people are still dying every day and being starved. And I'm like that. I, I just don't know how as I don't know how anybody with the heart, if they actually look into like some of the stuff that's going on that you can support any of that. So that was, that was where he really was like, oh no, he, he really, they really, they got to him.
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B
It's so nuts because if you just look at his first term, he would have gone down as one of the best presidents, I think.
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A
Yeah, it was like till the very end. Till the very end. But it seemed like that whatever happened in 2020 was designed to oust him.
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B
Oh, for sure.
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A
Yeah. I mean with the whole, with the whole idea of now we got this new normal where we have all these mail in ballots and people voting early and and that whole idea was. It seemed like that, that was well orchestrated, but now it does seem like that they. He must have played ball. He must have made a deal where like, okay, you're going to, we're going to let you get back in here. Because the funny part is like, the way Trump left office with January six and all that stuff, it was like the most chaotic thing ever. And then, so when he won in 2024, I think a lot of people expected the major freak outs. I think a lot of us wouldn't have been surprised if you'd had like another, what, like George Floyd type situation where you'd have massive protests and burning cities and. Because, you know, Trump's Hitler.
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B
Right.
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A
Like, that's what they've been saying for years. So the fact that he gets elected and the, and the Democrats are just like, hardly say anything.
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B
Yeah, that was weird. When you look into protests, a lot of them are funded.
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A
Oh, absolutely. I guess that's the point is like that. Why didn't they freak out? It's almost like somebody said, I'm not
- [47:01]
B
going to fund this.
- [47:02]
A
Well, no, they're going to. They're going to tell. They're telling these people. It's like, don't worry about it. Like, he's. He's with us now.
- [47:08]
B
Yeah, that's crazy. That's a great point. I've never heard that.
- [47:10]
A
Yeah, he's with us now because otherwise you can't really explain like the, the irrational, you know, just like freak outs when he gets elected to not see that on the streets. But it's, but you're right. So if no NGO is funding this idea of like this public unrest. Yeah, well, that's why. But why aren't they. Because he's gonna play ball when it matters. It's like, okay, we'll let you win on a few situations. Like, okay, you can have the tariffs, you can do X, Y or Z. But. But when it comes down to it, you're gonna back in Bibby, like, you're gonna be his guy. And he absolutely has been.
- [47:48]
B
Yeah, they're going after Soros now. Did you see that?
- [47:50]
A
I haven't.
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B
Yeah, he fled the country. I think his son got arrested. He's one of the biggest NGO funders. Infamous.
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A
Well, that's. Yeah. Well, that's interesting because Soros is like. He basically made his money by destabilizing. Destabilizing economies.
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B
The uk. Yeah.
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A
Yeah. And. But the one thing he's really not. He's not. I don't think he's A big Zionist. Right.
- [48:12]
B
I don't know his take on that, but I know he does a lot of weird NGO funding.
- [48:16]
A
Oh, yeah, for sure. But I think that that's the really interesting thing because he's always been like, the boogeyman for the right. And I'm not saying he's good. I'm saying he's absolutely as bad as they say he is. But it's like, we worry about his money funding things, but then you have, like, the Adelsons who are obviously giving Trump half a billion dollars at least. And he, Trump is the one who's publicly saying that. When Marion Adelson supports Israel more than America. And you're like, they're saying they're not even hiding it. But. But the point is that nobody in the Republican Party has a problem with the Adelsons and what they want to support. But Soros is the bad guy because that's where it seemed like that over the past at least two years, where the lines have been drawn really clear about, like, a Republican, Democrat, not so much. But it's like, do you. Are you a Zionist or are you not a Zionist?
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B
Yeah.
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A
And that's where it, like, seems like the lines have divided just so clearly.
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B
100. You think Epstein was Israel asset?
- [49:14]
A
Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, I mean, he had Ehud Barack, the former Prime Minister, staying at his house all the time. He had Mossad agents staying, staying at his house. I want to say that he even. He was. He was lobbying our government to drop bombs on Syria. And he was also trying to get a. Yeah, Ehud Barack, A meeting with Putin and things like that. Like, like, why would he do that if he wasn't connected? And of course, he's wearing, like, an IDF sweatshirt and things like that. I mean, it would be, It'd be ridiculous, the idea that people now are trying to play some. Oh, he actually was taking Qatari money or he was working with Russia. Like, I mean, what this person seemed to do was that he was involved in lots of big circles that were influential.
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B
But.
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A
But his focus seemed to be something happening over in Israel.
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B
Yeah. It's crazy how Israel has the best intelligence community out of every country.
- [50:11]
A
Well, I think that's the interesting thing is that, like, when you even think about, like, our own CIA, I don't think that these, They're. They're not loyal to this country. Right. And I think that there might be some connection between all the three letter organizations around the world. I think that they're all kind of connected.
- [50:28]
B
Yeah.
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A
And they have a, like, A international view of things. So they're destabilizing countries and obviously they're all getting rich based on it. But yeah, like that there, yeah, there's been some, some like kind of whistleblowers in the CIA talking about how, yeah, Israel's always been spying on us and we just don't even really do anything. It's almost kind of like, hey, kind of knock that stuff off. But, but yeah, like that. I think that they do have coordination, obviously together. I mean, it would make sense logically
- [50:57]
B
because they're so small. How would they do it by themselves?
- [51:00]
A
Right, right. Well, it's funny too, is that one of the reasons they promote the idea that we need to continue to give Israel billions is because they give us intel. Well, their intel is always. Well, I wouldn't say it's always. I would say their track record of intel we've got about the Middle east has not really been all that great about like the two weeks you know, away from a nuke that Iran has been for at least 30 years. Pretty much my whole lifetime. And then obviously the whole idea that the bibby's in front of Congress talking about weapons of mass destruction and so is that what the billions are going for, paying for that kind of intel that gets us into war with their enemies? I don't think it's worth it. I think it's led to a lot of wars. Yeah, it's led to, it's led to so many war. It's led to forever wars. Yeah, you know, the war and terror on terror and all that thing.
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B
Yeah. I think if this continues, our whole life will be a war.
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A
Well, that's the thing. It's like we, that's, that's the troubling part about, I guess the way that our lives can just be so disconnected from this. Or like we, we think that like some people will support a war over in the Middle east because they don't think it affects them at all. But if you really think about it like that, if you took, you know, the trillions of dollars we've spent on all these wars and you invested it back into our country, it makes me sad to think, like what. How much better this place could be. Like our infrastructure. Maybe we could have free health care, maybe we could have free college if we put that money to the good of our citizens. And then you think about the idea that they're also printing trillions. So our currency's been way devalued.
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B
It lost 9% this year.
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A
Right. So if you. So people Even if they think it does not affect them. It absolutely does.
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B
100%. I mean, just look at gas right now. It's $5 a gallon right now.
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A
Yeah, absolutely. So that. But you can, that's where they can actually see it. But I think that the idea that money's been taking from. Been taken from us.
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B
Yeah, they don't see that.
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A
Yeah. Regardless. But it's like whether it's slower, it's quick now we'll see that when you go fill up your tank. You'll obviously see it.
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B
And that's just the front end. But yeah, like you said, the inflation is, is not seen.
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A
Yeah, it's, it's the fact that it's. Not only are we spending money on things we shouldn't, but we don't have that money. They have to print that money in order to. It's like we're taking out loans and paying interest on, on stuff for, you know, we'll, We'll. We'll never pay back.
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B
We'll never pay back. Professor Jang actually said the US economy is a Ponzi scheme.
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A
Absolutely.
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B
You know what I mean?
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A
Absolutely. Yeah.
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B
I mean, the AI bubble, once that crashes.
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A
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's real troubling, but people don't think it affects them. And so they can, obviously they can go on streaming and watching Netflix and things like that and. Doesn't affect them, but it absolutely does. And like I said, this is a. It just. We've had like, kids that grew up. We have never not been at war. Like, this is crazy. This is, this is the normal.
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B
I have childhood memories of Iraq and Afghanistan. Like, watching the tv, like, that was just normal.
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A
Yeah. So now it seems like that all this stuff, particularly like with the, the connection with Israel is like you have the evangelical church tying this together with like, end times prophecies. And I started to talk about that on my show. I was like, this has got to be like the biggest psyop of all time is that the church once viewed Israel correctly, I believe, as the spiritual descendants of, of. Of Christ. Right. So, like, that if we're in Christ, that we become children of God. And if you think about like the Bible talks about how the Christians have their names written in the Lamb's book of life before the foundation of the world was, was laid. Okay, so who's a chosen person? I would say if your name's in that book from all that time back then, you're a chosen person. But now that in, you know, the late 1800s, like the Scofield Bible and like the John Darby stuff, like the modern dispensationals have made. Oh, no, actually, Israel is this land over here. And then the people need to go back into this land and then we need to support them in order to bring about the second coming of Christ.
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B
Yeah. And DNA tests are banned there.
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A
Right. So, but it's. But if you just read your Bible, like, you can already tell that you have. The only bloodline that really matters is you have like a direct line from. From Adam to Jesus, you know, so then if you go from like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Jesus. So that's like the important parts of like the genealogies. It's pointing to these promise to these certain patriarchs that you're going to have a king forever and he's going to bless all nations. So by the time you get into the Gospels, Jesus is like undressing the Pharisees by saying, you claim to be children of Abraham, but you're not actually children of Abraham. Not because they're not related, because he actually says you're ancestors of Abraham, but you're not children of Abraham. Like, there's a distinction. You're actually of your father, the devil. So he's saying, like, spiritually you're related to the devil, you're not related to Abraham because it says in Galatians that if we're in Christ, we're all Abraham's seed according to this promise that he was given. So we're all related to him spiritually because that's how Abraham was counted as righteous, was through faith.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So. So regardless if these people in Israel are related to Abraham, like physically through some kind of genetic testing or a lineage, if they don't, if they deny Christ, well, the Bible would say that they're not true Israel.
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B
Wow.
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A
Right. So. But the S being is that now we have to support, I guess, their land promises, apart from the promises to, you know, the idea of Jesus being the ultimate promise and all this stuff. And I was just thinking that, like, as far as psyops go, this is probably, again, it's probably the best one they've ever done because let's just say Israel was named Palestine or just pick a. Just pick a random name. Like, could you really see people like the boomers in these evangelical churches supporting this random country over there?
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B
No.
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A
If you take away the branding, it's like the branding is everything in this. So. So without the evangelicals being used, like, America would never support these wars. But that's exactly why they did it. And it was like, you really think about. It's like the.
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B
Wow.
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A
The devil's not stupid. Devil's not stupid. It's like they really kind of have. This is like the long game.
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B
Yes.
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A
And that's, that's the only thing that really makes sense is that, that, you know, we look at things in a very like, like we're thinking about things in like, terms of years. Well, obviously the enemy is planning things out over centuries.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Because we don't think like that because of course we're not gonna last centuries. But yeah, this is, this has been a long time in the come in the. In the making, for sure.
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B
Crazy. So the elites are basically weaponizing the Bible.
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A
Absolutely. Well, I think that's the whole thing where you have. So there was what. There's some people, like, in the military that were. Filed a complaint because these US Commanders were telling their troops that Trump was anointed by Jesus Christ to basically bring about Armageddon.
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B
What?
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A
And it's like, wow. I mean, this is literally coming from like, high ranking military officials are trying to. Trying to preface this idea of, like, you're doing God's work, this war is going to bring about Armageddon, and then obviously Armageddon is bringing in the return of Christ. And then you hear people talking about Christianity being a death cult, and you're like, well, they're not wrong if, like, if that's what you think it is, because that's obviously not what the Bible is talking about. We wrestle not against flesh and blood. It's not telling us to go fight these battles physically. It's like God's going to fight these battles for us spiritually. And if we're Christians, it's like we have, we want to have hope for people is that, well, if I kill this person, I can't convert them to Christianity. And we're. I mean, I know it seems like a platitude, but it's like literally is talking about changing hearts and minds. Yeah. Like, that we can't win this battle physically against this. These enemies. And the way that the church now views, like, dropping bombs as like something that potentially leads to the return of Christ, it's like, that's such a twisted view of things where it's like a very selfish view. Well, if World War 3 leads to a third temple in Israel or something, and then that leads to an Antichrist, well, that leads to the return of Jesus. But the way the church talks about it now, it's like, well, we're going to be raptured. Before any of the real bad stuff happens. So it's like. It's like almost like they're like that meme of, like, rubbing your hands together behind the tree. Oh, like, here we go. Here we go. We're actually. This is going to be a good thing, even though it's going to be, like, the worst time ever for the whole world.
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B
It's almost like they're trying to control their. Their fate, you know, well, through manufactured war.
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A
So I think that there's definitely factions who actually do believe, like, this stuff, like, the idea of, like, frankism. It's kind of like a twist on this stuff where they. They literally seem like they're trying to provoke people to dislike the people in Israel. So this brings about this prophecy of people surrounding Israel or Jerusalem and this leading to, like, their return of. Or their Messiah, the Mashiach coming to save them from. From, like, this war that they started. Now, it has seemed to me for a while that, yeah, it seems like they are trying to use this book of Revelation, like, as a playbook where, again, it's. It's a perfect psyop. Because if you think about it, like, if you believe that the worst times ever will lead to your ultimate salvation in the Rapture, we are willing to put up with a lot of. A lot of bad things. So if they kind of keep putting that out there, oh, Third Temple, like red heifers and things like that, they're always kind of promoting this idea that we're living at the very end of time. Well, you're kind of just like, well, if the Bible says it's going to happen, I guess I'm okay with it. Instead of like, the church saying, hey, you know, we should actually try to make this place better. And instead it allows people to be more passive and just, like, be complacent. And we're like, well, this is the end time, so therefore, just let it all happen.
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B
Yeah, I don't like that.
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A
No.
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B
Then you're relying on the. If. If Jesus returns and what if he doesn't? You know?
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A
Well, if you thought that he might return in two years, but what if somebody told you, well, he's returning soon, but it's 80 years or it's 100 years. Well, you might actually try to make. Maybe work on potentially making this place better for your kids. Right, right. Or your neighbors or people like, you know, you might try to leave this place better than you found it, but instead it's like, well, if it was like, I guess if we did know it was like two years from now, then, yeah, people would say, I ain't going to work anymore, paying my bills anymore. But we know that that would be foolish to do that. Now, of course, like somebody like me, I've been talking recently, like, again, I was talking about Satan's little season. I think that it's likely he returned in the first century or whatever that time was.
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B
Oh, you think it already happened?
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A
Yeah, I think a lot of it already happened. I think that if you read the prophecies in the Bible, you know, Jesus is talking to the generation he's speaking to. Like, if you. If you kind of read the Bible with that kind of mindset of that he's talking directly to people, and people are obviously transcribing the things he said to somebody. Now, the Bible is especially the New Testament. You have the Gospels that's telling you the story of Christ and how he fulfilled all these Old Testament scriptures. But then you have, like, the epistles literally just like letters to churches. So it's like, it's interesting to consider. Like, when you read the Bible is trying to understand, like, who is the audience? Like, who was this originally written to? And so, like, trying to put yourself in the shoes of the people who actually received these letters. Like, we're like, literally reading somebody else's mail.
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B
That's an interesting perspective. I never thought of that.
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A
So the first audience is them. And I think that. Well, I think that again, to really get full understanding of the Bible, it's like you have to really try to understand, like, what were these people thinking at the time? Again, that's like, if you can go back to, like, the story of, like, Genesis 6, we were talking about how that it doesn't talk a lot about the Nephilim in the Bible, and people are kind of like, upset about that. But I think it's like a story that's known. It's kind of like that. If you and I start talking about modern politics, we don't have to explain every detail. You and I are already on the same page already seeing them. Right? So. So this is not about that. So when you get into, like, the. The New Testament, you know, it's a very specific time. It's like all these prophecies in the Old Testament are leading up to this promise to Abraham about this Messiah showing up. And so when he's there, it's. It goes with this prophecy from Daniel about the 70 weeks, which is what basically people get from, like, the end times, like the last week. Is this the end of things now? I think what it really is, it's like the end of this old covenant system. It's the end of like this, this age, because they're, Christ is talking about the end of his age, the end of the age and is coming. But so when, when Christ shows up, it's a, based on a very specific prophecy in the book of Daniel and it's all about this, this temple being rebuilt. Because the context of the book of Daniel is that Nebuchadnezzar has destroyed the first temple and the temple of Solomon and destroyed Jerusalem. So Daniel gets this prophecy that's based on this number of times 70 weeks, which is basically 70 periods of seven years. So like 490 years. And this prophecy is kicked off by the decree to rebuild the temple. So again, it's like very specific. And so like modern dispensationalists like want to add a gap into the prophecy in order to, you know, put a 2000 year gap in there. And therefore we're in the end times. But there's nothing in the Bible that states there's going to be a gap in it. And now we're looking for a third temple. But this prophecy about the second temple and also the Messiah, that's what it's about. So like, so the, so when Jesus gives what they call the olive discourse, when he's talking about the end times, the apostles are asking him about what he just said to the Pharisees about how the temple was going to be destroyed. Jesus tells him, looks at him, he says, you see this temple, there'll be not one stone standing upon the other that will not be thrown down. It's all going to be destroyed. So then the apostles start to ask him about it. So he references the prophecy in Daniel and he's, and he's tying this all together with his second coming in the end of the world. Now world could be translated into eon or age. But the point is when they start asking about the prophecies, like dispensationals will say, well they have to rebuild the temple for this prophecy to come true. Because it involves a temple. Yeah, it did involve a temple like the one like the apostles were pointing at. And Jesus said, see that one right there? That one is going away. So all these prophecies are about like basically the return, the Messiah, and then also the desolation and destruction of the temple. Well, what we're told now is by modern like dispensationalists is that they need to build a temple so they can start sacrificing Again, the animal sacrifices will start again. And then only for them to start, I mean, only for them, only for like a man to go in and eventually stop these sacrifices. But they haven't been sacrificed. And what we're told is 2,000 years. So the whole idea of like this prophecy coming to true today is the idea of like, well, it, we've been told it hasn't happened. And I think that's kind of like when you get into like what we're talking about, like history, about like, what do we really believe about history? Well, the truth is we have to put a lot of faith in people that we've been told the truth about our history. So, like that. That's why if I see Jesus telling his, his apostles that some of you standing here will not taste death until you see the Son of Man coming into his kingdom, he tells them that you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. You know, the book of Revelation starts off by saying, I'm coming quickly. Every eye is going to see me, even those who pierce me. I mean, the people who pierced him are long dead. So he's talking about like the Roman centurions or the people who put him on the cross are the ones who pierced him. Wow. And so I think that when you, when you start to understand that these prophecies were based on this specific time period, and then when you read the letters from the apostles to these churches, real actual churches, they are all talking about the imminency of Christ's return. Like John saying it's like the last hour. Peter saying, at the end of all things is at hand. Paul's referencing in Corinthians that it would be better if you stayed unmarried because the world as we know it is about to end. So this is like the context of like that Jesus tells them, before this generation passes away, all these things will take place. And then it's backed up by the fact that these gospels are all saying that this is about to happen. The book of Revelation saying the very end of it is, do not seal up this prophecy because the time is at hand. Now that's the contrast is the book of Daniel that's also talking about the end times, where Daniel was actually told to shut up the prophecy, seal it up until the times of the end. So what we're told is the Daniel prophecy was supposed to be sealed up and this all took place in about 500 years. Now people will tell you now that the book of Revelation was told not to be sealed up. The time was at hand, and it's been 2,000 years and nothing's taken place yet. I think that, again, I think that it's like the ultimate psyop is the fact that if the devil was to deceive people, the best thing he could probably do is he can't hide everything. But he could maneuver things around a timeline, maybe like a false timeline, or make you think you're on a different part of it.
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B
That's smart. On his part.
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A
Absolutely.
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B
Well, jt, this is great, man. Where could people find you?
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A
Well, if you want to hear more, the best place to find me is probably my YouTube channel. Just look up JT files, JC but I'm also obviously on all the socials, Instagram, Tick tock, Facebook, and if you'd like to listen to podcasts, you can find me. Just look up JT's mixtape on Spotify or Apple or wherever you can your podcasts.
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B
Check them out. Guys, thanks for coming on, man.
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A
Absolutely, man. Yeah. See y'.
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B
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