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Lance Wallnau
The next President of the United States will be an Isaiah 45 president. And I look up, what number is the next president. So now I go to Isaiah 45. Should have started there, actually. And it says thus says the Lord to Cyrus, all this he will do for my people's sake, though he does not even know who I am, who's the only candidate. But when the primaries are over, Donald Trump will be remaining.
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Interviewer
I mean, he was a heavy underdog at 16, so. Totally. You called that early?
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Lance Wallnau
Totally.
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Interviewer
All right, guys, we are at America Fest today. I got Lance here from Dallas. Thanks for coming on, man.
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Lance Wallnau
It's a pleasure.
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Interviewer
Let's get it cracking. So you're. You're one of your main missions is like transforming mindsets, right? A scarred mindset.
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Lance Wallnau
Yeah. Well, what. What I basically do is I change the orientation of faith people to realize that they're living in a kind of like a smaller world than they're supposed to be living in. So years ago, I got this revelation on seven mountains of culture. And those seven mountains were literally like this senator was dying and actually died for 28 minutes. Michael Kratz in Georgia. And when he was gone out of his body, he had a vision and the vision. He told me. He said these seven mountains were part of the vision. And the vision was that Jesus was going to send him back and he was to run it from an office of politics. And he did. And he came out and then he met me later. He said, I became a senator and I. And I got into politics. He said, but you're like the first person that's ever talked about what I saw up there. I. When Jesus showed me I had to come back into my body. I saw these seven. Saw these spheres, these. These spheres of influence, and believers were rising up in them. And the Lord told me in the last days, believers were going to rise up and stand in their sphere. You're Doing it here with a podcast. He said what's interesting was they weren't preachers. There were ordinary people with professions who had fused their faith into their work and somehow their work became a kingdom, expression. And where they were in a shaking world, things weren't shaking. And so he said there was a stability and an authority that was in them. So that got me into thinking, what is the difference between a believer who is like a Christian expecting to go to heaven, just kind of going through earth like a pilgrim, like Peter said, or somebody who is actually engaging the world around them so as to become an influence within that. Within that world. So that's, that's kind of what got me started with the Seven Mountain mystery.
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Interviewer
So you had an out of body experience?
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Lance Wallnau
No, he did. The senator did. So I interviewed him and he gave me the data on it and his own experience. And ever since then I've been, I've been talking about how believers need to rise up in different fields. So what happens is I run into Christians that then feel like they're called to go into business or to make money or to become do movies or to go into politics. But a voice comes to them and says, yeah, that isn't really God, because that's all about you. And they kind of like feel like if they're really going to be holy, they should be a missionary, they should be a preacher, they should be, you know, a musician. And then that's. And that's the mindset that I'm up against. Right.
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Interviewer
So what do you think that voice is? Do you think it's ego? Or what do you think? What do you think is going on when they hear that inner voice?
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Lance Wallnau
Well, I think, personally, I think that the devil is real and that the, the power of that voice is that it's, it infuses its itself into the internal dialogue of a person. So when you're having those thoughts, you never think like the devil. You think, oh, it's just an idea. Never occurs to you to test the idea. So the Bible says at the Last Supper, Satan having put it into the heart of Judas to betray Jesus. Once a thought becomes a desire and the desire becomes internalized, it's yours. It's conceived at that point. You've got it. Ego is probably a separate subject from that. It really has to do with the seduction of your own will.
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Interviewer
Wow, that's interesting. So you believe that the devil is implanting certain thoughts into people's minds? Basically.
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Lance Wallnau
Totally. So when the Bible talks about spiritual warfare, it's kind of interesting. How Paul the Apostle dealt with it. Now he was beaten, he was scarred, he was physically disfigured by the abuses he went through. Unusual kind of guy. But he kept on preaching his message. He said that the weapons of our warfare are not physical but mighty through the spirit of God to the tearing down of strongholds, to the casting down of imaginations, to the taking captive of arguments and bringing them under the authority of Christ, meaning he dealt with the realm of ideas. So to answer your question, spiritual warfare with the devil is about human beings think like Charlie Kirk. I'm here in this environment here at a turning point type of event and what has he done? He's a young guy who went out and said I'm going to take my worldview and I'm going to not, I'm not just going to be believe it, I'm going to export it and I'm going to take all the heat but I'm going to plant myself on a college.
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Lance Wallnau
Early CT mobile.com campus I'm going to say come change my mind like a Steve proud or change my mind. And people look at the courage and clarity of somebody that thinks differently and they can defend the proposition. What's he doing? It's what Paul said. He is taking captives thoughts and ideas and bringing them under the power of a truth that he himself believes.
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Interviewer
Right. And he's doing it on college campuses which is needed because a lot of these universities are on the left, right?
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Lance Wallnau
Yeah. Well, they're ideologically captured. So in the worldview that I come from, I look at every sphere. Like you take those spheres, what are they? They're like religion, family, education, government, media, arts, business, seven of them. In the education realm the campuses would be under a stronghold. So you go to someplace like Harvard. The first official protest I ever had was at a Harvard campus. I was asked to go up there and speak to a student. Suddenly there's an organized protest against me. I had no idea that my ideas were that radical. It was when I left the church and I went into academia that I encountered organized opposition. And I thought, man, I guess what I'm teaching must be more, more powerful than I thought. Because what happened was I got, I got the. The campus atheists and agnostics and areas that were involved with witchcraft and Salem. They all came out to protest. I was totally naive. I thought, what are they mad at me for? But did he? I didn't even know what I teach. That's when I realized something. Harvard was originally founded to be a school for the training of Christians for ministry. It has so deviated from that original mandate that it now is a stronghold for ideologies hostile to Christ.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Lance Wallnau
So that a Christian who was the original purpose of Harvard, which was come up here, we're going to make you smarter and more competent. They actually now prosec. They persecute the ideas of Christ.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Lance Wallnau
So I thought, is this possible? You look up Princeton University, you look up Harvard, you look up Yale, you'll find that the founding of those universities was by Christians for Christian influence. And that over a period of time it departed from that. And Jesus said this. He said, when a house is swept clean, it's occupied. But if it isn't occupied properly, seven times worse spirits that are cast out will go back and take it. Meaning that a ideological stronghold that God puts in the earth that isn't vigilantly kept will become a stronghold for hell, more powerful than the stronghold it had for Christ. It's just Jesus was the one who taught that.
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Interviewer
Wow. How do you think the universities got to this point? Do you think it was a gradual thing or did it happen over maybe 100 year period?
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Lance Wallnau
You know, it's interesting. They were. It. It certainly was gradual and then it's like Hemingway said, it was gradually and then suddenly or, you know. So I think if you look at the psychological journey of it, it happened during the Scopes Monkey trial. Something happened in the psychology of Christianity and during the. What was that? If you look it up, what is that like the 20s and 30s? So you had. Clarence Darrow is now defending the atheist viewpoint of science versus the creation viewpoint. Yeah. And the problem was that Christians became embarrassed at the Scopes Monkey trial because what got juxtapositioned was science versus the Bible. And they brought out William Jennings Bryan, who was a great orator, ran for President twice and was a preacher, really, who they put on the stand to defend the Bible against science. The mistake they made, they should have got a creationist scientist because then they could have broken this sapsucker down and said, oh, you believe that way? Here's the facts about that. If you get a creationist now against a scientist, the two of them are going to have a real knockout. Joe Rogan would have a lot of fun with it because the creation scientists are every bit as sophisticated as the atheist science. And then you come down to the argument of, well, I guess it's a question of what you believe. It's faith. After all, it isn't science, but the church world. My brother became self conscious after the Scopes Monkey trial. That is the moment when you see Harvard shift to the left.
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Interviewer
Wow. So 20s and 30s.
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Lance Wallnau
Yeah. Princeton shift to the left. Yale. And what did the Christians do? They said, well, the Bible's still true. And so what they do is they created Wheaton and they created the Bob Jones University. And they. And they separated from the secular culture. They created a subculture and said, we don't need. We don't. We're not a secular. We are sacred. Now, the secular sacred split is what your generation has got to sort out because you've been taught this territory is. Is secular. And this one is. So when. When we go into politics, for instance, a guy like me, I could go in and be. And be outspoken, but because I am a believer, I get so much heat. I did one meeting in a rally in Pittsburgh before the election.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Lance Wallnau
J.D. vance was looking for a place to do a meeting. I said, well, man, I got all your clergy here. At my meeting, I had like around 500 or 600 people there. 700. I said, I'll tell you what, I've already got the civic center that we're using. I'll give it up to you for like two hours and I'll just walk off, use my set. I've already got the thing set up. We'll just pay a little more for Secret Service. And I had 40 media company outlets that signed up that wanted to cover JD Vance. So they were coming to my event, so I just approved them all. Now when the event happens, I got so much heat because now the Washington Post and, you know, Wall Street Journal and, and. And NPR. Christian nationalists now that J.D. vance dared to put himself in proximity to a platform. I was being generous because I want to see him win.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Lance Wallnau
And so I said, I'll pay for it. And I did. I per. I Said, I'll even do it out. I got a business. I said, my business will sponsor it. So no one will accuse me of being like church and state problem. It didn't matter. I got nasty letters. We're going to audit you. We're going to come after you. You, you know, you flipping Christian Nazi nationalists. And I'm thinking, dang, what is it that when we move outside of the sacred area of just the next life and we start to become believers that invade a campus or get involved with politics and say, actually, Jesus's words apply to all of life. The Bible is applicable to economics, it's applicable to families, plugable to education. It's not weak. It's actually very profound. The moment you take it in there, you get pushed back like you wouldn't believe. It's like all the vipers come out of the bushes.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Lance Wallnau
And so I was shocked at that. But it happened at Harvard. I showed up just to speak. There's a protest, I show the JD Van shows up at my event, and all hell breaks loose. And I'm just saying there must be something powerful to the ideas that Jesus has, that the moment that they unveil themselves in spheres outside of a building, in a church on Sunday, they become controversial.
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Interviewer
Yeah, I see that with a lot of pastors, man. They, they have one controversial political take and then they start losing members of their church, you know?
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Lance Wallnau
Yeah. So what do you do with that in your case, when you're seeing that? What's, what's the typical response?
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Interviewer
I mean, I just feel for them. I, I report on the story, I have them on the podcast to share their side, but at the end of the day, me, the media is against him. So they're going to push all these negative articles like, what happened to you?
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Lance Wallnau
You know, here's my theory. I think we just need to reorganize. After looking at Trump's victory, I believe we had like around 40 million evangelical believers, probably like 15 million pro life Catholics. That made up a big margin. I believe there's enough people out there that actually are, are, are faith people that if they ever organized, they can, they could break down the opposition. Because you take a church like that, there's 300,000 churches in America, basically independent churches. One third of them we would call, like, they espouse to be Bible believing, whatever. So you got a hundred thousand of them, and of them, only about 20,000 or 20% are willing to be courageous enough to be MAGA pro Trump. I mean, just say, I'll take it on the chin. I don't care because I'm going to. So you don't have that many churches out there and they lose people. Okay. So here's what they do. I think we ought to be taking the people that aren't going to church and the people that are going to weak churches and redirecting them to churches that have the courage to speak the truth. So you start to put a list out as to. There was a guy once named C T Stud who was a missionary in Africa from Cambridge University. He got saved at a revival with five other students. They were, like, world famous because they're all, like, big, super stud athletes and they all take off for ministry. So they're kind of the Cambridge Seven, they were called. He goes to Africa. And he referred to chocolate soldiers, the guys that would start off as Christians. And he said, chocolate soldiers that melt in the heat of combat. And I never forgot that. Chocolate soldiers. Because we have a lot of plastic pulpits that melt in the heat of combat, whether it's Covid or whether it's censorship or whether it's don't talk politics and then don't talk this, don't talk that. I think if we were to literally have the plastic pulpit review in every state and list the churches that eschew and avoid controversial subjects for fear of backlash, and then we would list the churches that are courageous and willing to stand for truth. I'd love to see that list out in public, because I think there's a lot of people that would not go to the plastic pulpit that are looking for people that have conviction and courage and clarity.
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Interviewer
Yeah. I think times are changing. I think more people want that. Right. We'll see how it plays out.
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Lance Wallnau
Well, we'll see. But there, again, it has to be organized.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Lance Wallnau
So, you know, the agonizing is in the organizing.
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Interviewer
Yeah. Do you believe there's any biblical prophecies in the Bible when it comes to politics and specifically Trump?
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Lance Wallnau
I believe, I think. I think that Donald Trump, when he ran as the 45th President of the United States, Sean, he was elected by 150,000 votes in, like, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan combined, like 120,000 votes out of the 80 million that voted. What I'm saying is it was a small margin that got him in in 2016. Nobody thought he was going to get in there. And I helped to make that happen in part because I was the first Christian that said, actually Donald Trump is the one that God's got his hand on. And it's not. We had Christians, we had Huckabee, we had Cruz, we had Ben Carson, we had Catholic Marco Rubio. We had all kinds of Christians running. But God chose the guy from Queens on his third marriage, who's a business guy from the Apprentice. This didn't go down well with a lot of my friends, but I felt the Lord told me, go to Isaiah 45. I read Isaiah 45, and the Lord spoke to me at that time as best as I can and hear him, that the next president of the United States will be an Isaiah 45 president, and the 45th president will be Isaiah 45. So right away I go to Google. I'm thinking, dang, am I hearing voices in my head? And I look up, what number is the next president? And it says, you know, Barack Obama was 44. The next is 45. So now I go to Isaiah 45. Should have started there, actually. And it says, thus says the Lord to Cyrus was a Persian, not a Jew, whom I have anointed to go through the two leap gates of Babylon, to break the gates of iron, and he will undo the belts of his adversaries. He will make the crooked places straight and then catch this. And all this he will do for my people's sake, though he does not even know who I am. Right away, a light bulb went off. I said, who's the only candidate that's running right now that doesn't claim to be a Christian? I mean, everybody says they're a Christian, but who's the one that doesn't know who God is? I knew who the guys were running. They were. They were almost. And then Pence was also in the mix. I said, my gosh, they're all evangelicals running against each other. This is a weird election. And the one guy God chose was Osiris, the man who does not know who I am, and my hand is on him. So I started telling people, I said, you may not like this, and they don't make me popular, but when the primaries are over, Donald Trump will be remaining. He'll be the one.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Lance Wallnau
And they said that you're crazy. I said, let's see. You know, I'm not. I'm not saying I'm not crazy. I'm just saying I'm hearing a voice. If people hear voices, could be crazy.
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Interviewer
I mean, he was a heavy underdog in 16, so.
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Lance Wallnau
Totally.
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Interviewer
You called that early?
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Lance Wallnau
Totally. So when I'm in. I'm in Jerusalem two weeks before the. A couple weeks before the election, 2016. And I wrote a book on God's chaos candidate about Donald Trump telling my story that I believe. I think this guy's going to be president. And I told the story about Cyrus, how God chooses rulers in the earth that are for his people. And at the time that he chooses them, their own piety is not the issue. The issue is whether God's hand is on them. And that would be Lincoln during the Civil War, who was an annoyance to the revivalists because Lincoln didn't even go to church. You got Charles Finney in the Second Great Awakening and you got the main guy leading the nation through the crisis. They're pulling their hair out. They're going, we need a man of God. And here's a guy that's kind of like joking about stuff. Lincoln was the man God chose. Churchill was the man God chose. Neither of them was a card carrying evangelical. They didn't go to church. They did fit. Trump fits that Bill Osiris type. So two weeks before the election, this Access Hollywood video comes out. Your younger demographic. It is the most lurid, embarrassing, graphic locker room spiel you'll ever hear a guy talk about about him with other girls. It was from 10 years earlier. He was with a guy named Billy Bush talking, and someone recorded it. And he's talking about womenizing and how he does it, you know, and he's a celebrity, he's a rich guy, he gets whatever he wants. It was a disaster. So I'm in Jerusalem. I just wrote my book. I published it two days earlier, so confident that Trump's going to be president. And I got a phone call while I'm there. Can you recall the book? I said, what? Yeah, didn't you hear, man, that Access Hollywood video, man, they're even talking about Pence may have to run instead of him. They're actually discussing it like, oh, my God, well, how bad can it be? He goes, well, it's pretty bad. Well, how bad is bad? I have him read to me. I go, all right, stop reading. That's pretty bad. That's pretty bad. So at that moment, I took my iPhone just like this. I went up to my room in the Mount Zion Hotel and I said, as a Christian would. I said, dear God, how could I have been so deceived? How could I have gotten thinking that you're talking to me? You weren't talking to me. And so many times I prayed, God, if this isn't you, let me know. So I'm sitting there going, I'm humiliated. I was wrong. I'm completely wrong. I never should have been involved in politics in the first place. I knew it. I shouldn't have gotten involved at that moment. I felt like the Lord said, open your mouth and I'll fill it. I figured I better say something because I had 2,000 books, soldiers. It ended up being 120,000 before I got done.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Lance Wallnau
So I go on my little Facebook. I got like a million followers on Facebook. I figured I better do some damage control. I said, you're probably wondering about the recent rumors about Donald Trump and that Access Hollywood video. And I said, you're probably wondering, why would God let that happen? If, in fact, does he want. Does the Lord want Hillary to be president? Is this the way it's going to go? And I said, here's my theory. I don't believe that God is caught by surprise. And I'm processing myself, like, live in front of a camera. I figure I could delete it if it's really a disaster. I said, well, and I would agree with you that this is a pretty bad thing, but God must have known it was going to happen. God knew it was going to happen. And here's what I'm going to tell you. If Donald Trump was elected president, he'd take credit for it, because he's a proud man. But now Donald Trump as president will know it was an act of God because he's going to have to overcome a very serious setback. I said, besides that, when he was interviewed, he never felt that he had a sin to confess. Now he's got one. He's going to go public and talk about how he has to deal with this thing. So when I got done, I hit send. It went to 4 million people. That's why I believe the 4 million evangelicals that watched it, out of it, probably we have, like, around 120,000. And the ultimate margin that showed up because they really didn't want Hillary to win and they liked Trump. They didn't know why, but they needed an argument for why. And I believe God gave it to me. He's Osiris. It's a ruler in the Bible that isn't necessarily a Christian who God raises up for a purpose. That video from that balcony in at the Mount Sinai Hotel, it went out. And I believe that was a decisive factor in the election. So do I believe in prophecy and in the Bible? Do I believe that there's patterns that are showing up in history? Absolutely.
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Interviewer
Wow. Yeah. That's incredible. He's hanging around a lot of Christians now, so there's a chance he might turn.
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Lance Wallnau
Oh, well, listen, he's already. I mean, From a. From now. This is like 10 years later, so what do we know? Or 8 years later. He's prayed with Christians. He knows. I mean, what's so funny about it is I've talked to, like, three different preachers. So, you know, I prayed with Donald Trump, and he's accepted the Lord. That's Christianese for, you know, he prayed a prayer. And I'm thinking, you know, this poor guy probably thinks he's got to do that repentance prayer every time he sees a preacher. It's like. It's like, I. I believe. I believe he's got what he needs. And that assassination attempt was a profound moment for him, I think when he really questioned whether or not God kept him alive. He knows he's a brother, a very pragmatic man.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Lance Wallnau
He knows the odds of him turning his head to at that moment in the presentation, going to that slide, that. That graph that he goes to 20 minutes into his presentation. He goes into it eight minutes in. He knows it was a. It was an unusual disruption of his normal. He's like. He believes God saved him for a reason.
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Interviewer
Yeah. A logical person would say that was just, you know, it just happened. But a believer would say God played a hand in that. Right.
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Lance Wallnau
Precisely. And. And I'm sure. I'm sure that he did.
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Interviewer
Yeah. That was a crazy moment. I. I couldn't believe it, honestly. You know, what unfolded after that?
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Lance Wallnau
Well, where were you? Where were you when it happened? How did you find out?
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Interviewer
I was. Where was I? I think I was at home, but, oh, yeah, I was at home. Blake Wynn called me. Steve Wynn's nephew. He's a big donor.
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Lance Wallnau
Okay.
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Interviewer
And he told me, you need to post about this, because at the time, social media influencers, if they posted support work, would get a lot of hate, you know, so he's like, you need to post. So I finally posted that I endorsed him, you know.
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Lance Wallnau
Well, how's it now? Do you find it's lightening up a little bit for guys like you?
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Interviewer
Yeah, definitely a lot. In 16, you would get canceled. In 20, it was pretty rough. 24 got a lot better.
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Lance Wallnau
So you think about that. I lost 250,000 subscribers on YouTube. Wow. They wiped them out. A quarter of a million. If I was making. If my business model was based on that, I would have been out of business. Fortunately, I didn't base my business model on likes or views because I knew that I could get canceled. But there's something that's happening in terms of a movement of young men, particularly as A demographic. Well, you've seen with minorities, you've seen certainly with the Hispanic vote, too. But to see what's happening with young men, it's as though now with Elon Musk, with Donald Trump, with that moment of the assassination and Trump getting up and saying, fifth, I think there are inflection points in history that create a psychological imprint. That moment was when masculine energy no longer became associated with something toxic, but became associated with something almost courageous. And I think that that plus guys like Charlie Kirk that were working on the campuses, and then Barron Trump.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Lance Wallnau
Who took his dad. And I told people, here's the three phases of Donald Trump. You know, he's, you know, for his people that love him, he's idolized. Then by the secular press, he's demonized. And then when he went on podcast, he became humanized.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Lance Wallnau
Now, your generation looked at him having heard all this other crap, but you're also listening to Joe Rogue and you're listening to, you know, other sources and you go, I'll give the guy a chance. Let me just hear him be totally chill and neutral as best I can. And he sells himself as a non threat. Certainly not Hitler. Yeah. And certainly not, you know, the crazy red orange felon who's looking for women to rape in the lobby. And it's like, what the heck, man? And then you start questioning the credibility of what you heard. Now, as they go on in this toxic rant, you know, the late night kind of, whether it's the comedians or it's Rachel Maddow, young men are looking at that going, they're off. Matter of fact, I identify less with them and more with Rogan and Musk and Trump and Vivek and Tucker and listening to them. So a seismic shift is happening right now, and it creates a window and it's a question. So I believe now you got people that can come out and not only just speak regarding Trump, but think about how X became a whole space you can go into courageously and say, I'm just going to say what I want to say.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Lance Wallnau
And I'm going to say the quiet part out loud. Oh, my gosh. And I'm still on. And people are like liking it and commenting on it.
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Interviewer
I love it. Yeah. Alternative media and X really changed the election outcome, I believe. I remember growing up as a kid, if you even watched the news, you would never question if it was fact or fiction. You know, I would just believe every single thing I saw. But Trump really changed the narrative on that.
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Lance Wallnau
Oh, totally. And you know he did. That's why he's a blunt force. Listen, Cyrus. When that verse in Isaiah 45 came out, I felt I went from. I went from there to the second time. I thought I heard a voice speaking to me about Trump. I heard Donald Trump is a wrecking ball to the spirit of political correctness. And I thought the spirit of political correctness, it was like a speech suppression strategy that was in the atmosphere. And Donald Trump is a wrecking ball. So when I started watching him do his press conferences and he refers to fake news, I don't know if you go back and watch that, hear fake news. You have fake news. You know what? You're right. Now sit down. Sit down. You're fake news. That moment was the rebranding of what news is. So I would go around the world. So I traveled like around 70 countries, different, different networks I work with and I get off a plate and I'd be met by pastors that are Africa or from Europe or from Asia. And the person they go to me is fake news. They, they were. Because they knew I was into Trump and. But that was the only connection. They started with fake news. The world was hearing it also and they were, they were questioning the credibility of establishment narratives. That. That's the ultimate grenade. Because then you come in to find out you cannot trust that establishment.
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Interviewer
Yeah, absolutely. Well, Lance, it's been awesome, man. Where can people keep up with you and follow you?
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Lance Wallnau
Sure. Lance Wall. Now you go to lance walnut.com podcast and we do news, current events from a. From a prophetic perspective. Awesome.
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Interviewer
We'll link below. Thanks for coming off. See you guys.
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