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The Mindset Shift Every Entrepreneur Needs to Succeed | Mackenzie Dern DSH #1414
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A
Did you ever hear of Joanna? She was like. She had that big. Her. Her forehead got, like, really, really big in a fight. Like, she got all these punches. They, like, blew up, looked crazy, but she. She was a really good, like, talker. Ronda Rousey, too, you know, kind of like the mean girls kind of thing. So, I mean, and it's pay per view. That's what you need, you know, so. But man.
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B
Okay, guys, Mackenzie Dern here. Today. We got her before. Celebrity poker tournament. Gonna be a big night for you.
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A
Yeah, I'm excited. You know, usually, like we were saying, we kind of get into drinking and stuff like that from the. For the poker game, but today I'm really focused. I'm not gonna have my water already. I'm gonna be hydrating and be focused, and I really want to get the. Get the belt. I haven't. I've played for, like, about four or five times already, so I'm due for a win.
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B
You're a veteran at this point?
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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B
What's the. What's the strategy?
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A
I mean, I've been taking classes. Poker classes.
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B
Okay.
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A
So, I mean, the strategy is to, you know, play good hands, put pressure, you know, like, not just buy in mini races all the time, you know, like, really come in with some more pressure. Jose, last time, he was like, yeah, you have to kind of look at the pressure. Probability. I'm not good at math. That wasn't my. My strength in school, you know? So the math part I'm not really good at, but I'm starting to understand, like, okay, maybe there's two pairs. Maybe there's a sequence. So just kind of take my time, like maybe three to five seconds before I make a decision and try and get as much. Much chips as I can to get me to the final table.
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B
Wow, so you're taking this serious. You're taking classes on the side. You're learning from Jose.
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A
This is investment.
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B
I love it. Well, I know you're competitive, so that makes sense.
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A
Yeah. No, my daughter, she's so funny. She's like, I'll ask. Oh, what does your mom do for work? She's like, oh, she's a fighter. She plays poker. I'm like, wow, she thinks I'm a poker player for work.
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B
What a combo. Maybe you transition into that after you're done fighting.
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A
Yeah, maybe that'd be fun. I mean, travel around the world. They have so many tournaments. Like, I've got a couple. And you just meet so many people. Like T. Swift. She's like, princess, you Know, they've all just showed me all these different competitions that they have all around the Bahamas, you know, I'm like, crazy. I want to do that shout out to princess.
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B
I just saw her talking about she made half a mil her first year playing poker.
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A
Yeah. Yeah.
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B
That's crazy, right?
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A
Yeah, that's crazy.
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B
Yeah, I guess you can make some good money if you're playing in the right games.
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A
For sure. And I think women, we kind of have, like. Well, I mean, I think the guys don't think we know how to play.
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B
Oh, easy.
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A
You know what I mean? And I mean. And there's not really that many women that are in it, too, so. Yeah, but I go to, like, the casinos, and there's, like, these old, you know, Asian woman. And they're like. And all their. I'm like, dang. What? They're good.
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B
Oh, they're playing poker?
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A
Yeah. Yeah.
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B
I thought they played baccarat.
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A
Yeah, maybe they probably that, too.
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B
Yeah. Old Asian woman. Yeah. That'd be hard to read in poker.
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A
Yeah, for sure.
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B
They got no emotion, right?
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A
Yeah, exactly. They, like, you know, just eating their food, you know, just throwing the chips out. They barely look at the hands, and I'm, like, looking, you know.
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B
Yeah, they've seen it. They've seen everything at that age.
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A
Yeah, for sure.
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B
Got a lot of wisdom. You play at the casinos. Like, you're playing poker casually at the.
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A
I got fifth. No, I got fourth place at the win. After my first time playing for Celebrity Poker. I went the next day. I was like, okay, let me just go in this tournament at the win. Um, and then I got fourth. And of course, like, at the table, like, as we're going through people like, oh, you're a fighter and everything. And then I think that kind of distracted them a little bit, you know, and then they were kind of like, I don't know. They probably think I have so much money, so it's okay, I'll just throw it down. You know what I mean? And they're kind. They're. They're a little bit more aware of, you know, not wanting to spend and everything. So, like, tighter, right? Yeah, exactly. And so it was like. And I really didn't know what I was doing. But that's kind of dangerous because then things just happen. Like, they work out, but once you kind of know the. The. The, like, what could happen? You know, really, the possibilities, then you're like, oh, shoot, you know, So I already got that experience, you know, like. Yeah, just trying it out. I'm like, oh, okay. I got you. You know, now I know all the different types of possibilities that can happen.
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B
Yeah, they think you're lunch meat. They think you're a whale.
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A
Yeah, exactly.
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B
You fighting again this year or are you taking the rest of the year off?
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A
No, for sure I want to fight. I wanted to try and get three, three fights this year, but my last two fights were against people behind me on the ranking.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I got two wins. So we want something that would get me to the belt, you know, and I'm number five.
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B
Nice.
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A
So the top four would be, I mean, I can't fight for the belt right now. Probably one more fight. So I'm just waiting for the top four girls. They, all four of them, they just fought each other last month, you know, so kind of to see who recovers the quickest, you know, who will be open for a fight. I fought all of them already, so it'd be another rematch. My last fight was a rematch. So I think I'm just gonna go through my, my losses and get those rematches back.
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B
Oh, so you lost to all the top four?
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A
Yeah, I fought all three of them. Well, there's one Tatiana Suarez, who haven't fought her.
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B
Okay.
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A
So. But she, she's fought in like, she's been in the UFC for like almost 10 years and she's only found like.
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B
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A
Well, she gets, like, injuries all the time. You know, I think she even. I'm not sure she went to the Olympics for the wrestling. I know that she's had like cancer, I think thyroid cancer and then like a neck surgery. So she's just like, injury, injury, injury. She went all the way, like, undefeated. Just fought for the belt. She lost. So she's. She's hanging out there, you know, we'll see what happens. Maybe, maybe they'll give me her. But she kind of takes a while to fight. So I want to try to get two more fights in the theory, but right now we're just waiting.
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B
I love it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You think those losses are redeemable? You think they're beatable?
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A
Yeah, for sure. For sure. One of the girls that is going to be fighting for the bout next, what everyone's saying, she's a Brazilian girl, Verna. She kind of has like one eye, goes to one side, and then went to crazy hair. She's. She's super cool, you know, but she's a grappler like me, and I fought her and I beat her. She ended up fighting the girls in the top five that I fought and I lost to them, and she fought them after me. And then she just like took them, took them down and like submitted them, which is like, technically what I should have done, you know, But I get into the striking, you Know, and so I'm like, man, see, I gotta just do what she's doing. Because me and her, I feel like I fight better against her.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But she's able to put our game, which is grappling, better against the girls than I am, you know? But I feel like the girls are so scared to fight against me, you know?
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B
Really?
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A
Yeah. I feel like they're like, they do everything they can. They, like, fight for their life to not go to the ground, you know? And, like, with her. And then they beat me and they're like, okay, well, I can hang with any girl on the ground now. And then they go with her, and then she's like, a little bit more basic, her grappling, but it's just like straight to the point kind of thing.
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B
Oh, she's not as fancy with it.
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A
No. Yeah. I'm, like, doing, like, oma plates and like. Like, Like a pretzel stuff. They don't know what's happening, you know, they're like, you know, and then, like, maybe they survive, but, you know, the judges don't. They can't tell. Like, was she, like, in real danger? I'm like, yeah, her arm was, like, all the way, almost twisted off. You know what I mean? But the grappling, you can't really tell how dangerous punches, you can see, like, okay, their nose is bleeding, you know. Okay, they got knocked down. Grappling, you can be, like, in so much danger, and you can't really tell if you are in danger or not, you know?
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B
Right. Because your adrenaline, everything's happening so fast.
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A
And it's just like a knot. They don't know what's going on inside that ball. You know, it's like, is it their shoulder? Is their neck getting, you know, is there a leg? Is there knee being, like, you know, twisted, torqued? They're feeling so much pain. So it's like, way harder to get a 10, 8 round on the grappling than it is on the striking, you know?
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B
Yeah. Cause there's so many ways you can, I guess, hurt them. When you're grappling versus punching, you're just aiming for maybe the head and the.
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A
Liver kicks, you know. One of my fights, they gave her the first round. The fight was decided on the first round. The first two and a half minutes, I took, like five kicks to the. To my leg, strong kicks, but I kept moving forward. And then at two and a half minutes, I took her to the ground like a clean takedown. And then I was controlling the whole. The second half of the round, I was, like, trying to punch, but she was kind of holding onto me too. So I was kind of, like, having to create space and, like, punch. I wasn't as, like, doing too much damage, but they gave her that round because of her five kicks, you know what I mean? Instead of over the control.
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B
Oh, wow.
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A
And then that's just kind of thing. We don't want to leave it in the hands of the judges because, like, okay, she was kicking me, but I was still able to put my game, so I feel like. You know what I mean? So it just comes down to, like, correcting those errors that I think for sure. Wow, I got that.
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B
So they really value leg kicks, huh?
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A
I guess. I mean, I guess, like, I mean, if it was like, okay, I'm like, falling to the ground, you know, like, people can. I've seen people in the first round get, like, the fight over because of leg kicks. They can't put their foot on the ground. But they were really strong leg kicks, too.
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B
You know, Some of them look painful. I've never been kicked in the leg, so I can't relate.
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A
But have you ever been kicked anywhere in the balls?
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B
Yeah. Oh, God, the leg kicks. I've seen some good ones.
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A
Yeah, no, for sure. Like, where they. They can't put the foot anymore.
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B
They can't walk.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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B
What is it about that that hurts so much? Is it specific part of the leg.
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A
You get the nerve. She cut my nerve a couple times where it just like, all tingles down a lot, you know? But yeah, unless you check it, which checking hurts so, so bad. But it's like. It hurts some, too.
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B
So then they can't check with your shin, right?
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A
Yeah, exactly. But, yeah, it's just like. I don't know, it's the muscle. The muscle on the shin, on the chin guard.
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B
Yeah.
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A
My whole. My leg was like. I didn't go to. I've never gone to the hospital after the fight. We can go to the hospital. Usually they. If you want, you can go to the hospital right away. I didn't go. I went like, two days, and my leg just, like, blew up. And then I went to the hospital like, five days later, you know, and I was like, almost a month with my leg like, this big. It's crazy. Yeah.
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B
So I wonder if you could train your leg to take more of those.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You think you can?
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A
Yeah. I mean, what. That's what they do in Thailand, right? I think they, like, kick, like, palm trees and stuff and, like, they kick, like, poles and everything that's crazy. Definitely. You can like have like even my, my, my, my, my shin. It's like, you can tell there's like callus inside, you know, there's like lumps and everything.
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B
Really?
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A
Yeah. It's not like a nice smooth, you know, nice smooth leg. It's like kind of bulky.
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B
Oh, my gosh.
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A
Yeah, just on my left side, you know.
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B
Oh, just on the left. Cuz is your left foot ahead of your right when you fight?
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A
Yeah. So that's a little bit the easier one for them to kick.
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B
Damn.
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A
But now I have distance. I'm like, see? So all the losses, all those things, like those injuries, they like all bring us to, like, correct the things that if we win, sometimes we don't notice how we're doing wrong. So now I have this, like, okay, now I really get out of the way when I need to and get back in fast and get that movement going. So it's making me a striker, A better striker.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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B
These days I feel like you need to have it in your repertoire, right? Striking?
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A
Yeah, for sure. You can't be a champion if you don't have like, you know, some. You gotta be all around today's days. You can't just be with, like just one martial art, you know, background. You can have a. You can have your strength, but you have to be able to do everything, a little bit of everything.
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B
I wonder if Khabib would still be undefeated today because he was just known for the wrestling, right?
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A
But did you see his striking? I mean, his striking wasn't like the best, but he was like, just like, do crazy stuff. He, like did a overhand knock down Conor McGregor, you know, like wobbled him. It's like the people, you don't expect that they land the stuff. You know, you're expecting like the takedowns, and then all of a sudden, like a punch gets you. So as long as you, like, have the guts too, you know, and you're willing to get into the firing lane, know strikers, they stay on outside grappling. We have to go through the firing lane, you know, you have to kind of go through it, bite down on your. On your mouth protector and go.
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B
Was striking your biggest weakness when you were first starting fighting in the ufc?
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A
No. Wrestling.
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B
Really?
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A
Yeah, wrestling. I have the, I have the striking. I mean, I'm not like the best striker, but I have, I have what I need, you know, I have like, heavy hands. I have like, you know, the will. Like, I'm not scared to get hit. I don't mind getting like, punched in the face, like defense, but. And I have the grappling, but that transition to take them to the ground. I do a lot of judo. My dad's a judo black belt, you know, so a lot of judo takedowns, but it's like closing that distance and taking the takedowns, that was the hardest for me. And now I really got. I'm way more comfortable now with wrestling. It's, like, fun for me now. I used to hate it was the worst trait was wrestling.
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B
Yeah. Because the takedowns, you're using a lot of energy.
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A
Right.
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B
So if you mess up a few times, you're gonna get gassed.
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A
Or if they, like, block you, you. If they defend it, your neck is like. You know, you fall like all this, you're like. It kills you. Yeah. I mean, grappling, we just, like, we can pull guard. You know what pull. You know what guard is?
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B
I've heard of it. Yeah. I'm a novice with this stuff, but.
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A
Yeah, it's like when you're on the bottom and then you. You wrap your legs around them, you know, so in the jiu jitsu world, we can just like, start the fight and we just lie down, you know, and we bring them into our. Our guard, you know, and they're not a lot of back away, you know, in mma, if I'm on the ground, they can make me stand up.
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B
Yeah, I've seen memes of that where they'll just immediately go on the ground. Yeah, right when the fight starts. Right.
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A
Yeah, exactly.
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B
People don't like that, though.
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A
Yeah. They're not, like, obligated to go into our game, you know, we're obligated to stand back up, you know, unless we take them down, you know.
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B
Yeah. Because you could have boring fights, but then, yeah, people, like, you'll win, but people don't like you.
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A
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I don't want to do that.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I don't want to. I want to be like, you know, I mean, because there's always that risk. You never win the belt, you know, I mean, how many people are trying to get the belt?
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B
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A
Of course. I really believe I can get the belt. I'm doing everything I can to get the belt, but if, you know, they have, like, Dustin. I mean, Dustin, he's had, like, the. He's had the interim belt, you know, and things like that, but it's like they have so many great fighters that they've never actually won the belt. And I want to like, man, I don't want to go through all of this and maybe I don't end up winning the belt and then like, people just like, oh, forget, like, I want them to be like, man, no, she's had like crazy fights and she's a good fighter. She's entertaining and know. And I mean I've, I've gotten a lot of bonuses, so that's good.
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B
Oh, yeah. Fight of the night.
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A
Yeah, well, I've gotten like two fight of the nights. Two or three and then a lot of performance bonuses like for the submission. So most of my fight of the nights are with losses.
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B
Really?
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A
Yeah, but so basically I was like, you know, it was a back and forth, but I was on the losing end of it. So I, I've had a fight of the night where I've got the win, but more of my fight of the nights have been when I've came out with the like showing heart, you know. So I mean, that's good too, you know, bonus. We both get the money, you know, it's good. But yeah, my performances have been like all my submissions.
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B
I mean, hey, Michael Chandler, he's getting fight of the night.
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A
Yeah. What do you say? Are you not entertained?
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B
He hasn't won in five years.
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A
Yeah. Yeah.
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B
But his fights are fun to watch.
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A
Yeah, for sure. He just lost to.
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B
Patty.
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A
That was a good one. Yeah, that was a good one. I wasn't. Patty's like really showing. He's evolving a lot, you know. I remember when as soon as came in, it was like, oh, he's not that good. You know, people kind of.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Not giving him the credit, you know, and he's really like just coming in and getting better.
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B
He gives hope to a lot of people because he has the dad bod in the off season, you know.
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A
For sure, for sure.
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B
I've never seen a fighter pull that off, honestly.
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A
Really? Yeah.
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B
Not like that.
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A
Yeah, I know.
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B
Because I feel like most of you guys stay lean even in the off fighting.
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A
I mean, we definitely bulk up, you know, but he's a different level. Yeah, he's a different.
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B
He owns it though.
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A
Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, he looked good in his last fight. Yeah, he was like lean, you know, he looked like, like Michael, but just bigger, you know. But like they both looked lean. And Michael's like, they both just had kids too, you know, they're like literally dads now, you know, like, you know, they have like mom, Bods, or mom, you know, it's like they're the dad, the dad bods and the dad. You know, it's like athletic and everything, so it's really cool.
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B
You had a kid in 2019, right?
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A
Yes.
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B
Was it really tough getting back into fighting after that?
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A
I mean, it wasn't tough. It was like I knew I was going to do it. I, like, I wasn't like this motivated, but I mean, I think the hardest thing is just like the routine, you know, and be able to dedicate that time. I'd be like, training. I thought I did a good job of it, you know, from the circumstances. But, you know, you're kind of like training, sparring, and then you're kind of hearing her crying, you know, a little bit in the background, you know, and so your mind tends to go off. You know, it's really hard to just like, turn off 100% for what, training an hour, you know what I mean? But you had to, like, you have to do it. And it's like in the beginning, they're very, like, with their mom, you know, like, you have breastfeeding. You have all these things that you have to be on top of it, you know, it's not like. So, I mean, that was the. The hardest thing, but my body, like, recovered really, really good, which is crazy because that's kind of hard for a lot of women.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And, yeah, I mean, I mean, thankfully my job is like, something that she can go to, you know, like, she goes to the gym with me all the time. You know, she just like, runs around the mats and she's like, now she thinks she's my coach. She's like, coach. She's like, she kick her in the head, you know, and then she comes and she'll bring me, like, water in the. In the one. And then my coach, my real coach is like, trying to tell me in one minute, like, okay, what do you got to do? And then when she's like, mom, mom, listen to me. And then, like, my coach is like, carrying it out because the bell ring, you know, and she's like, she wanted to give me, like, her two cents. I'm like, okay, got you. Yeah, she's really involved. So I'm. Thankfully. That's like, my job lets me do that because, you know, woman. And people have to take time off and go to the office, and then you have babysitters and all that stuff.
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B
It's.
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A
It's hard. But I mean, I think athletes in general, a lot of them wait until we retire. They have Kids, you know. So I think I'm trying to do the best example that I can just by like competing, you know. You know, I feel that I'm not very like that kind. That's like, oh, you need to do what I'm telling you to do. But I don't do it, you know, I'm like, I try to lead by example, you know.
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B
That's the best way.
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A
Yeah, that's what I think.
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B
Sponges.
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A
Yeah, exactly. That's how my dad was with me, you know, like I. He competes until Today he's like 60 years old, 64 years old, and he competes with like the 19 year olds.
- [19:14]
B
You serious?
- [19:15]
A
Yeah. 20 year olds, you know? Yeah. And he's all like ripped and everything. It's just my whole life seeing him like cut weight, wins and losses and training and like, you know, tears and happiness and. And it's just like, yeah, you got to keep at it and it's worth it. Traveling around the world and it's a really cool lifestyle.
- [19:31]
B
That's impressive at that age.
- [19:33]
A
I know, I know.
- [19:34]
B
It might be a world record or something.
- [19:35]
A
For sure. For sure. He has a world record or in jiu jitsu for the guy who's competed the most world championships all at black belt. Wow. Yeah. So he's up there and he's still competing till today. He'll fight this year.
- [19:50]
B
I know he taught you at three, right?
- [19:51]
A
Three years old. Well, I mean, that's how I started, but you know how it is. It's like you start playing, you know, like wrestling, kind of like grappling, teaching you little things, learning how to fall, learning like the basics, you know, like just being comfortable being in contact. You know, some kids, they don't like that, you know, they don't like to be contact. It's like, you know, it doesn't. Doesn't feel good. Like someone holding on to you. So it's something you got to really get them to feel comfortable with. And so he was always on top of me with that, you know, like. And I would always go after him and try to tried. My whole life I've trained guys, you know, so for me as a woman, it's good because I can go my hundred percent and I won't BE the guy's 100%. They'll be like their 70%, 80%, you know, so I can always just like. And then once you go and fight a girl, it's a lot easier, you.
- [20:36]
B
Know, because it's like running with a weighted jacket.
- [20:38]
A
Exactly, exactly.
- [20:39]
B
Yeah. That's Smart. No wonder you're so good.
- [20:42]
A
No, it's good. And I mean, I've been doing this for so many years. If. If I wasn't good by now, I should have tried something else. I mean, because it's been like 30 years, you know, I've been training, so. Yeah.
- [20:52]
B
You think your daughter's gonna want to pursue this lifestyle, too?
- [20:56]
A
Man, she says she's a fighter, but then at the same time, she says she doesn't want to fight, you know, so with her friends, she's like, yeah, I'm a fighter, you know, and she'll, like, go with all my U stuff to school, like a hat and T shirt. But, I mean, I don't know. She. She doesn't, like. Like she's really strong. She doesn't cry for anything. But I don't know, I think she feels a little bit of pressure, like, being my daughter, you know, I think, like, anytime we go to events or, like, competitions or tournaments, you know, people are always asking, like, are you going to compete? Oh, you'll be a fighter, too. Are you going to be a fighter? So I think she has a little bit of that pressure on her, kind of like a homie. And we'll. What if I'm like, not that good or this or that? You know what I mean? But when we're at home and she rolls with me, she, like, wants to kill me. When she goes against her friends, she does good, but she'll get, like, good positions. And I'm like, oh, you can, like, go to the arm bar. And then she's like, no, it's my friend, you know, like, she doesn't have that meanness with her friends, you know, like on the moment that she needs.
- [21:47]
B
To, you know, that killer instinct.
- [21:48]
A
Yeah. But with me, she does. So I think it's something that will come out, you know, as soon as, like, her friends kind of start getting her, I think she'll want to do it back, you know?
- [21:56]
B
Yeah. I wonder if that. That instinct is teachable, because some people have it, right?
- [22:00]
A
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, like, 80 of the people, 90 of the people have that instinct in them. You know what I mean? It's like people like, man, it's crazy what you do, but I'm like, if you were paid lots of money, I bet you would go into a fight, you know, you fight probably for like a hundred thousand dollars. Would you?
- [22:16]
B
Depends who.
- [22:17]
A
Yeah. Defensive. Like someone like you.
- [22:20]
B
Like another influencer or whatever. Yeah, that. I didn't know. I wasn't friends with them.
- [22:23]
A
Yeah. Or like. Well, I mean, like, maybe who has the same training as you? Yeah, like, beginner, you know? Have you trained before? No.
- [22:29]
B
No. As long as it's not Sean Strickland, I'll do it for a hundred thousand.
- [22:32]
A
Yeah, for sure. You know, so.
- [22:34]
B
I mean, that guy's been beating up podcasters, so.
- [22:37]
A
Has he.
- [22:37]
B
Yeah, he just beat up another one, like, a week ago.
- [22:39]
A
But, like, planned or, like.
- [22:41]
B
No, like, actually, like, sparring for him is. You know.
- [22:45]
A
Yeah. Got you.
- [22:46]
B
Yeah.
- [22:46]
A
Yeah. Sean, he's a character.
- [22:48]
B
Yeah. We'll leave it at that. So he doesn't go after me, but. No, if it was just a normal person that had no training for 100k, I would probably do it for sure.
- [22:56]
A
Right? I mean, you can. You know how to give your life, you know? I mean, you know how to, like, throw punches and, like, kick something. You know, you're like. You know, go crazy out there. You got to survive. Like, you got to think, like, do die, flight, or fight or flight. Fight or flight. You know, it turns on.
- [23:09]
B
I'm usually flight, but if I had to turn on in a ring.
- [23:13]
A
Yeah, for sure. You know, And, I mean, basically, we're fighting against other people who train just like us. So, I mean, it's at a different level, but it's the same of you fighting a beginner, you know what I mean? So we know. I know what they're doing, they know what I'm doing, and, you know, you kind of. It's under control, you know, so it's worth it.
- [23:27]
B
Yeah. Have you fought someone really close to you, like, friend, before?
- [23:33]
A
Let me see.
- [23:34]
B
Or do you keep that separate from the business?
- [23:37]
A
Well, I'm one of, like, the most friendliest ones in, like, the ufc, basically. I'm friends with almost all of. All of the girls. There's very few girls that I'm, like, not cool with and everything like that, which is, like, sometimes they get mad at me. They're like, oh, well, you know, you're talking to me before the fight, and then you go out there, and then you, like, go meet me. You know what I mean? But it's like, I'm gonna be the friend if they beat me or not, you know? But some people, they have to kind of turn that off, you know, to be able to punch them because you really want to hurt the person, you know?
- [24:02]
B
Like, I feel like I would have to separate it.
- [24:05]
A
Yeah. You know, because when it gets down to, like, okay, I'm gonna break their nose, you know, it's like, I'm gonna Like, rip their arm off, you know what I mean? Like. Cause you want to go, like, if they tap, you're gonna let go, but you don't want to give them a chance to get an escape. So you're gonna go, like. So you don't give them a chance to escape, you know, so it could. It could dislocate, it could kind of. It could tear your ligaments, you know what I mean? It's like, you really want to do that with your friend, and they're going to be like, how many, you know, how many months out with surgeries and stuff like that? But if you don't do it to them, they're going to do it to you, you know? And it's like, we're both signed up for this. You know, we're both cool. And it's like, it's still. We have that sport aspect, you know, And. But in the end, we're all with. We're like an entertainment. Sport. Entertainment, you know, we're more entertainment industry than we are sport these days. Yeah, these days, exactly. You know. So, yeah, I mean, there's all respect to all the girls that I fight and winning or losing, but yeah, I'm totally cool with all of them. I mean, I think there's like one or the other that will, like, kind of talk a little bit like crap.
- [24:59]
B
Yeah.
- [25:00]
A
But girls, it's hard. They talk, I think, like, Juana. Did you ever hear of Joanna? She was like. She had that big. Her. Her forehead got, like, really, really big in a fight, like, she got all these punches. They, like, blew up. It looked crazy. But she. She was a really good, like, talker. Rhonda Rousey, too.
- [25:16]
B
Yeah, I know Rhonda.
- [25:16]
A
You know, kind of like the mean girls kind of thing. So, I mean, and it's pay per view. That's what you need, you know, so that's. But, man, every time, anytime I've tried to talk, like, a little bit, like, oh, I'm gonna submit you. I've had like, that's my trash talk. It's like, it didn't go well for me. You know what I mean?
- [25:31]
B
You're too nice.
- [25:32]
A
Yeah, maybe I even won. But, like, people, like, was that a trash talk? Like, kind of.
- [25:37]
B
You gotta respect the trash talkers.
- [25:39]
A
Yeah, for sure.
- [25:39]
B
It's impressive that they could do that with a straight face.
- [25:42]
A
Yeah. No, and they. And it gets into their minds, you know, like. But then also, too, when you're nice, that breaks them too.
- [25:48]
B
You know, if you're too nice to them, they start Going crazy.
- [25:50]
A
Yeah, exactly. Like emotion fighting, you can't have emotion. You need to be calm and collected, you know?
- [25:56]
B
Yeah.
- [25:56]
A
The more emotion you have. I mean, you get into a brawl and then anything can happen, you know, like just one, and that can finish the fight. So you just gotta be like, no. No emotion.
- [26:06]
B
Yeah. You gotta control them. Right.
- [26:08]
A
Yeah.
- [26:08]
B
I'm sure you have a lot going on during the fight.
- [26:10]
A
Exactly.
- [26:11]
B
You gotta put it to the side and just lock in.
- [26:13]
A
For sure. For sure.
- [26:14]
B
Have you ever had to dislocate an arm in there?
- [26:18]
A
I mean, I've. I've. I'm not sure if they dislocated, but I've. I mean, I've dislocated a couple arms. Not in it. Not in ufc. Ufc. I might have, but I'm not sure if it was or not. But they've gotten, like, really, really bad. Where. I mean, girls, too, are very flexible. You got to just keep going, you know, because they're going to, like, defend it and they're going to be all, like, letting it twist sides and stuff like that. And you got to just like, keep finding that angle.
- [26:41]
B
Yeah.
- [26:42]
A
But, yeah, I mean, there's been somewhere. It's like. You feel it, like, stretching or, like, clicking, you know, and stuff like that. So. Yeah, it's pretty bad.
- [26:49]
B
That's crazy.
- [26:49]
A
Yeah. I think that's worse than, like, a punch, honestly. I think a punch is like the impact you get. Like black eyes, you know, you get sore. Your face, you can break. I broke my nose on the fire. I took a knee to the. My nose. But I mean, ligaments, that takes a while to.
- [27:04]
B
Months, right?
- [27:04]
A
Yeah, months.
- [27:05]
B
She's.
- [27:06]
A
Yeah.
- [27:06]
B
Yeah. That's interesting because you have to be strong, but also flexible.
- [27:10]
A
Yes. Yeah. And it. And those don't combine too much, you.
- [27:13]
B
Know, that's what I heard.
- [27:14]
A
It's hard to be strong and flexible. You got to, like, do a lot of biometrics. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
- [27:19]
B
Yeah.
- [27:19]
A
You got to stretch a lot.
- [27:22]
B
I'm trying to balance that now, too, because I'm a basketball player.
- [27:24]
A
Oh. Yeah.
- [27:25]
B
But I don't want to be too flexible as a guy. It's a little weird. Well, you know, you think, well, it's.
- [27:30]
A
Kind of gay, you know, like the splits people like.
- [27:33]
B
Yeah. Most guys don't respect that if you do a split.
- [27:36]
A
Well, I mean, but for basketball, you guys, like, probably twist a lot of your ankles and stuff. Right? So you kind of need, like, protect. Like, you don't want to be too flexible.
- [27:43]
B
Exactly.
- [27:44]
A
Same time. Because then it's like, you know, you can tweak. You can.
- [27:47]
B
I used to roll my ankle all the time.
- [27:48]
A
Oh, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. You got to, like, support that as much as you can.
- [27:52]
B
Yeah, yeah. At the same time, you need to be flexible on defense.
- [27:57]
A
Oh, really?
- [27:57]
B
Yeah, because people are fast, so you got to be able to keep up with them.
- [28:01]
A
So, like, pretty agile.
- [28:02]
B
Yeah.
- [28:03]
A
Like, switch. Switch directions and kind of stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. I played. I played basketball in, like, what, eighth grade?
- [28:10]
B
Middle school.
- [28:11]
A
Yeah, middle school. And our team was. I was defense, and they gave me, like. They said that I need. They needed, like, the most, like, annoying person to be, so I was the chosen one, you know? But annoying as in, like, in their face kind of thing. Just, like, I could take it, you know? So people would be, like, knocking me down, and I'd be kind of, like, letting, like. I'd get, like, so many free. Free throws.
- [28:32]
B
Free throws?
- [28:32]
A
Yeah, free throws. Because of the.
- [28:33]
B
Oh, you were taking charges.
- [28:34]
A
Yeah, yeah. All the time. You know what I mean?
- [28:36]
B
Yeah. You were like, Draymond Green. Yeah, he's good at that.
- [28:39]
A
So I'd be like. They'd put me on, like, their best player, and, like, you just stay on her the whole game. Wow. Yeah. That was, like, always was my.
- [28:45]
B
They did that to me in soccer.
- [28:47]
A
Oh, really?
- [28:47]
B
Yeah. They would put me on the best player and just play man to man in soccer, which is really weird. In soccer.
- [28:52]
A
Really?
- [28:52]
B
Yeah. That's, like, unheard of. Oh, but I was just really fast.
- [28:55]
A
Okay, so you're just, like, pressuring him the whole time?
- [28:57]
B
Yeah.
- [28:58]
A
Yeah. That's good. So you did a lot of sports?
- [29:00]
B
Soccer, ping pong, basketball, Tenn.
- [29:02]
A
This. Ping pong?
- [29:03]
B
Yeah, ping pong.
- [29:03]
A
You competed with it?
- [29:05]
B
No, I got lessons in China, though, and if I pursued it, I probably could have been good.
- [29:09]
A
Yeah.
- [29:10]
B
It's not, like, an attractive sport.
- [29:12]
A
Really? I think it's sick.
- [29:13]
B
Really?
- [29:14]
A
Yeah. How do you hold your racket?
- [29:16]
B
I did like this or whatever.
- [29:18]
A
Like this way.
- [29:19]
B
Yeah, the Asian way.
- [29:20]
A
The Asian way.
- [29:21]
B
Yeah.
- [29:22]
A
I do like this way.
- [29:23]
B
Like, that's the American way. Yeah. Finger like a gun.
- [29:26]
A
Like that.
- [29:27]
B
Okay.
- [29:28]
A
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
- [29:28]
B
You were good, though.
- [29:30]
A
I mean, we played at home. House games.
- [29:31]
B
Okay.
- [29:32]
A
Like poker. We're doing house games all the time now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So just practice. Practice.
- [29:36]
B
You'd probably be good at pickleball, then.
- [29:37]
A
Pickleball? Yeah, pickleball. We used to do that at training at Perilla. My boxing coach we used to train at. They had a pickleball tournament. So, like, me, Luke, Rockhold Cheeto, Vera, Jason Perillo. We do, like, pickleball turn, like, competitions, like before training. Really after training.
- [29:52]
B
This is before it was mainstream then.
- [29:54]
A
Yeah. Well, is it mainstream? When did it become, like, three years.
- [29:57]
B
Ago, two years ago.
- [29:58]
A
Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. So like, the last, like, five years? Four or five years, yeah.
- [30:02]
B
Now they're everywhere, really. Even Lifetime Gym, they're replacing the basketball courts with pickleball.
- [30:06]
A
No way.
- [30:07]
B
Yeah. Because any age can play it, man.
- [30:09]
A
I thought pickleball was a thing for, like, a long time.
- [30:12]
B
No, it was around, but now it's like, big thing. Yeah. It's blowing up, man.
- [30:16]
A
That's crazy.
- [30:16]
B
Seems like boxing's blowing up, too, with Dana White starting his own stuff now.
- [30:20]
A
Yeah. And he got the jiu Jitsu league and the Power Slap. What do you think about that?
- [30:26]
B
I've been to three of them.
- [30:27]
A
Did you like them?
- [30:28]
B
Yeah, the first one was hard to watch.
- [30:29]
A
Really?
- [30:30]
B
Yeah, I had to turn around where.
- [30:31]
A
People are getting, like, knocked out.
- [30:33]
B
Knocked out. Have you been to one of them?
- [30:35]
A
No, not yet.
- [30:36]
B
Yeah. Seeing it in person is different because.
- [30:38]
A
Really? Have you been to a UFC fight?
- [30:39]
B
Yeah.
- [30:40]
A
What do you think? Like, what do you think the difference between.
- [30:42]
B
I could watch. Yeah. UFC is easier to watch for me, actually.
- [30:46]
A
Yeah.
- [30:46]
B
Power slap is like. They have no defense.
- [30:48]
A
That's true.
- [30:49]
B
And they get knocked out. Some of them are on the ground for five minutes. Yeah. It's pretty wild.
- [30:54]
A
Yeah. That's crazy. That's great. And the girls doing it.
- [30:57]
B
Yeah, she's coming on next week, but. Yeah, I saw her do it, but she's doing good. Yeah. I think she's undefeated.
- [31:04]
A
Yeah, she's doing good. Like, she can take a slap.
- [31:07]
B
Yeah.
- [31:07]
A
And she can slap.
- [31:08]
B
You ever fight against her?
- [31:09]
A
No.
- [31:10]
B
Different weight class.
- [31:11]
A
No, we're the same weight class, but she. She left, like, when I was coming up, you know, she. She migrated to the bare knuckle. She's crazy, man. She did bare knuckle, too. I couldn't do bare knuckle.
- [31:21]
B
That stuff looks.
- [31:22]
A
Did you see their faces get so damaged? Oh, my gosh. It's crazy.
- [31:26]
B
Yeah. All you need is a couple bare knuckle punches and.
- [31:29]
A
No. No way.
- [31:30]
B
You're toast.
- [31:30]
A
Yeah.
- [31:31]
B
Ufc, you got the gloves.
- [31:32]
A
Yeah. And she still looks good after everything she's going through. You know, it's like. It's amazing how good she can cover.
- [31:38]
B
Yeah.
- [31:39]
A
Yeah. Crazy.
- [31:39]
B
Would you ever do another form of fighting after ufc?
- [31:45]
A
No. I want to go into, like, bodybuilding after when I fight. Yeah. Yeah. Like Mr. Olympia, that kind of stuff. You know, I mean, I love to work out, so it's just like, if I can, like, live that lifestyle, you know, and not get beat up. Yeah, that's what I'd want, you know, or go back to jiu jitsu, you know, do some, like, super fights, stuff like that. Some things that are, like, worth the money. But honestly, like, being a mom, you just want your time with your kid now. You know what I mean?
- [32:09]
B
I bet.
- [32:09]
A
Because it's like, you know, she mo is with me all the time, but you can tell that she kind of just like, for her, she's like, I just want to, like, sit on the sofa with you, mom, and just, like, be with you. You know what I mean? Like, that quality time, you know, not, like, with me, but, like, you're walking on the street, and then, like, fans are stopping you, and then they want to take pictures, and she's like, mom, mom. You know, she wants me as her mom and not like, Mackenzie, you know? So just as she's growing up, she just lost her first tooth. We tied it to the. We tied it to the dog and threw it, you know, and then it pulled it out. It was, like, so, so loose, you know?
- [32:38]
B
Wow. That's a thing. People do that.
- [32:40]
A
Yeah.
- [32:41]
B
I didn know that.
- [32:41]
A
Really?
- [32:42]
B
I just put mine under the pillow.
- [32:43]
A
Oh, well, no, no, no. Like, that's how it came out.
- [32:46]
B
Okay.
- [32:46]
A
But we put it under the pillow after we fell out.
- [32:48]
B
Like, fairy came by.
- [32:49]
A
Yeah, for sure. And then the tooth fairy left a low and everything.
- [32:52]
B
That's cute. I never got when I left behind under the pillow.
- [32:55]
A
Really?
- [32:56]
B
Yeah.
- [32:56]
A
Were your teeth clean?
- [32:57]
B
Yeah. I don't think my mom believed in that stuff.
- [32:59]
A
Oh, really? You're like, what the heck? It's still here.
- [33:02]
B
I tried many times.
- [33:03]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [33:05]
B
I'll do it with my kids, though.
- [33:06]
A
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Do you ever think about putting, like, a diamond in your teeth? Anything like that?
- [33:11]
B
I actually wouldn't.
- [33:12]
A
You wouldn't?
- [33:13]
B
Yeah. Would you ever do that?
- [33:18]
A
I don't know. I don't think I would. Just because of my teeth. I think my teeth. My teeth still. I feel like my teeth are still, like. They look like kids teeth still. You know what I mean?
- [33:25]
B
You got good teeth.
- [33:26]
A
Yeah. Not to be weird, but they're smaller, you know, they're not like the big adult teeth, you know? And so I feel like those big, like, you know, adult teeth, those would probably look good. I know, like, Cheeto. He has a diamond, or he has. He has a couple diamonds in his teeth. It's like Becoming a thing now. More and more people doing that. Yeah.
- [33:43]
B
I don't think I can rock it. I'm not flashy like that. I don't have the confidence like that.
- [33:47]
A
Yeah. Really? I think so.
- [33:48]
B
I'm more low key.
- [33:49]
A
Yeah, I am.
- [33:50]
B
Yeah. Like, I don't even wear jewelry.
- [33:52]
A
Yeah.
- [33:52]
B
That much.
- [33:53]
A
Yeah.
- [33:53]
B
Yeah.
- [33:54]
A
But some people pull it off or you always wear your glasses?
- [33:56]
B
I wear contacts when I play sports.
- [33:57]
A
Oh, cool.
- [33:58]
B
Yeah.
- [33:58]
A
But you never wore those sports glasses.
- [34:01]
B
No, the nerdy ones. Yeah. I had a kid on my basketball team, I wore that.
- [34:05]
A
Really?
- [34:05]
B
Yeah. I'd rather wear contacts.
- [34:08]
A
Yeah, for sure.
- [34:08]
B
You know?
- [34:09]
A
Yeah.
- [34:10]
B
But this has been cool. What are you working on next? Where can people keep up with you and everything?
- [34:15]
A
I mean, just waiting for my next fight training. Been kind of doing a lot of, like, podcasts and meet and greets. I'll be at ufc, how do you say? Fight Week? International Fight Week. So I'll be able to see a lot of the fans out there when they come and stop by and just waiting for my next fight. So, yeah, if anyone wants to. To stay tuned, you know, there'll be some news pretty soon. I know. There's the fights tonight, May 10th. That'll be cool. I'm excited. One of my great friends, Natalia Silva, she's fighting against Alexa Grasso. So I'm cheering for Natalia. Let's go, let's go. And I think if she wins this, she'll fight for the belt next. So, yeah, we're very close. The belt's coming. Belts come.
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B
Let's go.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And we'll follow your poker journey, too. Hopefully, you win tonight.
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A
Please, please. Yeah.
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B
Check her out, guys. See you next time.