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The Mindset That Builds Unstoppable Entrepreneurs | Shawn Meaike DSH #1212
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Discover the mindset that fuels successful entrepreneurs and builds unstoppable momentum! 💡 In this episode of the Digital Social Hour, Sean Kelly brings you a high-energy conversation packed with valuable insights on resilience, personal growth,...
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A
So I was 97 pounds.
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B
Holy crap.
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A
I graduated 195, got 100 pounds in four years. But I graduated at 17. So I was really young. As a freshman, I didn't even think about going through puberty. And I was just, like, walking around. Didn't even realize I realized how small I was compared to them as they started to mature and stuff. But, I mean, football, dude, that's a bloodbath. I got knocked around everywhere.
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B
All right, guys, Sean Mike is back. Same name as me. Let's do this.
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A
100, man.
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B
Yes, sir. Thanks for having part two or part three?
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A
Part three, bro.
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B
Let's go.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Little. Little three Pete.
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A
Little three Pete, dude. Nothing wrong with a three Pete.
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B
What's new? You just went to the inauguration, right?
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A
Inauguration. I've never been to one. You know, it's funny because it was unbelievable. It was unbelievable to see. You were there, right?
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B
I didn't. I left the day before.
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A
Okay, so, so go. You. You pull up and, like, you can't get within a mile. Cause security and everything. And I'm, I'm thinking to myself, how many people can be waiting outside? Because it's, like, really freaking cold. Yeah. And to see tens of thousands of people waiting in line, and you start, like, talking to them. Because that was really cool. Like, you're waiting in line and you're doing that. And we didn't have to wait in line. We're gonna go around and get in. It was cool, but inside, it was just like. It was an excitement, I think. I, I, I like to. No matter who's there, who believes in what, I'm a big fan of. I like discussions. So I'd have gone no matter who, you know.
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B
Oh, you would have went if Kamala won.
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A
Hell, yeah. There's some people like you would have gone. I'm like, dude, I like experiencing things I don't have to be. And you understand, while I voted for Trump, I'm all about what's happened with the country. I'm all about where we're going. I'm an entrepreneur. All that. Would I have gone and celebrate it? But I like to see, I'd like to take all that shit in. I want to hear what people say. I'm not going to scream and yell and argue with them all day long. But I appreciate different opinions. What I don't appreciate is people saying, I can't have a different opinion. Because I appreciate your different opinion. I want you to appreciate mine.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So I had never gone, and I was going to go to experience either way, now, in fairness, I knew Trump was going to win for a while now, and I didn't know he was going to win in a landslide, but I knew he was going to win, so it made it probably easier for me to want to go. And obviously I was a hell of a lot more excited to go that.
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B
Oh, yeah, you know, the energy there was.
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A
Oh, my God, the people. But just to listen to the people, you know, I was talking to a guy and I said, bro, why are you so excited? And he's like, this is going to be the hardest four years of my life. And I said, why? And he said, I've been. I've always been proud to be an American. And I felt like I was being told that I shouldn't be proud to be an American. And he's like. And I'm not a very confrontational person.
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B
Yeah.
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A
He's like. So I just really just kind of didn't say anything for four years. And he's like, what about you? I'm like, I'm pretty confrontational and I don't give a shit and I don't seek it out. But, like, I'm just like, I believe what I believe in. I'm gonna have my opinion either way. So I guess. But I thought I didn't experience what he experienced. It didn't affect me like that for four years. I was like, dude, I'm still gonna live my life and talk about what I'm talking about. But he felt like he just couldn't. You know, it's funny going to the D.C. airport and you're like, how many people were. Had all their Trump gear on? But if this was a year ago, try to go in any of those cities, dc, Try to be in New York, dude. You find somebody walking with a MAGA hat on, people would be screaming at him, yelling and videotaping it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So it's just. It's just. It was different and we're supposed to be free. And I just think it's a. I think everything that we have always celebrated about America is. Is back.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Excited.
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B
Yeah. The times have changed, but like you said, a lot of it's perspective, dude.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, even though it was those four years under Biden and Kamala, I didn't really get affected the way I see it.
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A
Correct.
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B
I was still doing my thing.
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A
Me too. But you realize how many people got affected, and I think that's what I felt bad like, you know, and also, you know, they work their job, they're really, really, really proud of the country they live in. They're trying to raise some kids. And I, I also don't have any school age kids and I didn't realize that either. You start talking to some of these parents and they're like, I'm like, you know what? That didn't, that didn't affect me. My kids are all grown.
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B
Right.
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A
So to have to deal with that in the school system. I wasn't dealing with talking to my kids about a, a guy playing on my daughter's team. That was never a conversation or who goes to what bathroom. I never had to experience that. And had I had to, I think it would affect me as it really gave me some perspective there too.
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B
Yeah. I could see you as a parent standing up. I know you're big on sports too. You better definitely speak out against that.
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A
Let me be clear. If some dude was competing against my daughter, the dude that helped make that person would be the dude I'd be talking to. Like, I'm not mad at you. I love you. I want everybody to be okay. But your kid is not going to be. I wouldn't let my son go do that, you know, so, yeah, I would definitely have stood up. That's damn sure.
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B
They put an end to that stuff, right?
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A
Yeah.
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B
A lot of orders already.
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A
100%.
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B
You released the JFK stuff, I think today. I can't wait to read that tonight in bed. That's going to be content for the week, you know.
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A
That'll be a lot of content for you.
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B
You never run out of content with Trump in office.
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A
No. He's a machine.
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B
He's polarizing. So there's always going to be debate about around him.
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A
Yes, he is. And I think that was the thing, even listening to him talk, you know, like, like, I think I've always respected people that are bold, regardless if I agree with them or not. Because if, if not, what's the worst now is like people that, they don't stand for nothing right now. All of a sudden it's like, no, I'm good. And it's like, but you were so upset before and you hated him so bad. But now, like my opinion of people is my opinion. I just, because I didn't vote for Biden, I didn't, I didn't go, man. And I'm excited. I was like, kind of what you said, dude, I'm gonna live my life.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And that's part of just being a businessman or businesswoman is like, you're in control of your own.
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B
Right.
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A
It's the government, like whatever they're gonna come up with things were the things I had to navigate for four years. Absolutely. But you had to navigate them. It was, what are you gonna do? Like, that's an immovable force now. What can you do? Don't beat your head against an immovable force. That's when you quit things.
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B
Right.
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A
Can't go anywhere. You know, facts.
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B
It's that victim mindset. Right. Because obviously stuff's gonna pop up. Of course it is how you choose to react to it. And that's where a lot of people fold, I think, man, I.
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A
It's sad actually because, you know, at some point in time in your life, you just gotta stand up, you know, and just sometimes it's taking an ass kicking and then getting back up and going like that sucked. Let me figure it out. Most everybody wants to avoid that their entire lives.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And then, I don't know, man, I meet a lot of folks that are in different phase their lives, you know, and, and in their 70s, 80s and later. And you're like, if they've not been through anything, man, sometimes you're like, how much did you experience? And it's kind of sad because I think if they could go back and stand up at the times, whatever their, whatever the confrontation was, the fight, the difficulty, and not just become the victim, I think they'd probably, they'd probably change it. The pain of regret seems pretty nasty. Yeah.
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B
Because you talked to a lot of elderly in your space. Obviously.
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A
I mean, I did it as a social worker and I did on selling life insurance, but I met with a lot of folks as a social worker and, and you know, me and, me and your guy out there were just talking, he's like, I didn't realize how much wisdom I was going to get from people in this, in this space. Because he deals a lot, a lot of, you know, elderly folks in his business. And it's true, man, they've been through a lot, good, bad or indifferent. And they're usually in a phase in their lives where they're like, they're done front and are lying. They're just kind of. They're not pretending to be anything. They're not. They're just like, here's what I've done in my life, here's what I would probably do differently. Here's where I'm at. And you know, a lot of them, I think if they could have chosen to continue along that path would have been harder. I think they would have.
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B
Yeah. That's cool though, to have that no regrets mentality at A younger age, right?
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A
It's, it's, it's, it's like bliss, bro. Like it's the greatest thing in the world. Like you're gonna make mistakes, but you've done everything you can do. And you don't back down from, you know, you never take a step backwards. That's the. Yeah, man. I think that's a, you know, I said old football coach and that's why I love, you know, that's what, like he was my linebackers coach and he said the only time you're wrong is when you're going backwards. Move laterally, move forwards. Your job ain't that hard. We ain't letting you cover nobody down the field. You ain't that fast. Just hit this person, you know, but don't go backwards.
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B
I love that simple advice, but you could, you could apply that to life, right? Not just football. That's why I like sports a lot.
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A
Because it parallels life 100%.
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B
Sports, poker, there's a lot. Like I was a distance runner and that, that mindset that I got from distance running to be able to endure running five, ten miles a day. I mean, I use every day at this point.
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A
Of course you do, dude. And how you feel with doing it, getting through it, the sense of accomplishment, that's about working out. People are like, yeah, dude, I just like doing something every morning that I don't necessarily love to do. Like, I don't mind doing it, but I don't wake up and like jump up and down. If I could wake up and do something business related that has an awesome result or wake up and work out for an hour and a half, I'd rather do the business deal. But I start by doing this. I don't really want to do it. And then I get through it and then I feel on top of the mother effing world and then I go conquer everything else. Yeah, like I just, it's just that like you said, in that competitive nature, you don't ever want to lose it.
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B
I love it, man. So that's a non negotiable for you, working out every day.
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A
Every day. Wow. It's more emotionally. But seven days a week, Damn.
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B
No days off?
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A
No. You wonder why. First of all, don't 52. You know, I mean, I'm just saying like you, you, you get to be you. You in your 20s, you can take days off. In your 30s, you can take. You know, I read something a long time ago said at 35, everything starts to slow down and reverse stuff a little bit. And I don't know if it's psychological or not, but I got to the point of 35, and I was like, man, it does. It changes. So for me, you know, sometimes something happens that I'm on a plane earlier doing something else, and maybe I'll take a day off. But I was sitting there talking to David Goggins about that one day, and he's like. He's like, I don't take any days off because life might give me a time to take a day off. And I'm like, okay, I'm not taking days off either. And if that fool can run 100 miles of broken legs, I can go work out if I'm sore, you know, so every day. And it makes me feel just emotionally, it's probably the. That's probably the bigger battle than the. The physical. I want to be healthy, but emotionally, my mind is jacked up if it's a couple days in a row that I don't go work out.
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B
Do you feel like you have good control over your emotions? For the most part, yes. That's important, right?
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A
Very. Yeah.
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B
A lot of young guys do not have control. I see it in basketball and pickup. They just lose their.
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A
You know, and. And then everybody owns you. You know, a man in control of his emotions is dangerous in a good way. You know, when I lose my. When I'm frustrated or I'm angry, I'm like, dude, I intentionally didn't lose myself. I wanted to make a point to about where I was at. But why would I ever let you get inside my head and control my emotions? You lose control of your emotions when you give somebody else the keys. You don't take the keys yourself. Turn on, Jack it up. You're like, here. Here are the keys. You said something. I missed a shot. I didn't do something. Also, it's lack of accountability. You lose your emotions. How about playing ball? I coached basketball for years. I'm like, dude, why are you mad? You missed the shot. Like, why? What do you. You missed the shot. You did. You mad at them for. Who cares? You know who they are. Yeah, that guy in the stands, he never played either. What do you care? And that guy that you're talking to is better than you. So now you need to learn. That was our deal. Try to get in people's heads. That's I loved about basketball. That's why I love coaching basketball, because these kids were older. They're all, you know, 16, 17, 18, 19. You're playing travel ball. You're coaching basketball. Coaching is Unlike anything else. Because you're in the game. I'm here and you're there. You're a player. Like I'm this close to you on the other team. That doesn't happen in baseball. You're in a dugout, you're near your team, but you're not near their team. In a football, you're on your own sidelines. Unless some dude comes on your sideline on occasion and he's got a helmet on, nobody can hear what anybody's saying. But basketball, I can be walking out, you can be warming up. And I'm like, why are you shooting that? You're like, I'm like, four, stop shooting that. You're never gonna make it. And they're talking to me. I'm like, I don't care. Like, I ain't even playing. Keep shooting. Let him shoot. Let him shoot all day long. But also, I wanted them to be mad at me over the kids I had. Because the kids I had were sometimes a little bit intimidated with the groups went into. And how big the group was, the fans, the audience, how rowdy it is that basketball's unlike anything else.
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B
It's my favorite sport.
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A
Yeah. And I couldn't, I couldn't know less about it. Like, I know so much about football and baseball. I know I learned about basketball. But dude, I. It wasn't. It motivated me because of just the environment and how real it is. The talking resembled life to me. Because in baseball you're not even supposed to talk. Like, it's like somehow it's a violation of the game or the rules. Yeah, I mean that's. There was an article a long time ago that was that kid's name. Now I forget. With the, with the.
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B
Oh, Trevor Bauer.
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A
No, not bad. He's a trip. The kid is with the. He's with the Phillies now. The left handed hitter. I'll forget. I remember later. I'm thinking about. But he was on sport. I think it was ESPN magazine, something. And they said, what is your biggest issue? Because people are going to stop watching baseball. It's boring. He said, I take my bat, flip it three, four times after I hit a home run. Harper. Bryce Harper. And you're like. He's like, everybody's mad at me. He's like, dude, that's entertaining. And also I'm excited. I did something that's amazing. I hit a ball that was going 98 miles an hour that moved nine inches, spinning like a top. And I smoked and hit 400ft. Why should I not be excited? So it's discouraged. It's like an old school. Like you don't do that. It's like, dude, that was a hundred years ago. Like we don't do that in anything else in life. We don't go like, well 100 years ago in business, you didn't do that. Like, dude, nobody's watching, nobody cares.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, and even the NBA, like you said with the, with a basketball, dude, like, don't, you know that whole flopping and this and that, like be accountable 100%.
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B
I agree. The NBA's ratings are at an all time low this year. It's because they're giving technical fouls for just talking.
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A
Dude, you. How old are you?
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B
27.
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A
Okay, so have you watched clips of like the Pistons and all them back in the day?
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B
I've seen clips, yeah.
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A
Okay, so I grew up watching that. Like you were going to games and looked like Jordan was getting like literally physically assaulted punch. I mean brutal. But back then you didn't like, that was just the way you played.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And you watched Bill Lambir like jump up and elbow people on the mother head, you know, and spit at each other and cut. And you're like, dude, it was. First of all you knew they cared. That's the other thing I think that's happened with all this, all these, all this au shit is everybody's, everybody's friend, you know, like when we grew up, we played at a high school. You were at a different high school. We competed. You went to college, I went to college, we competed. We never played in the same team. Like if it was an all star team, it was like one game. But we didn't leave our high school team. We played with our high school teammates over the summer, then went. But now it's like with all these travel, everybody knows everybody.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So now all of a sudden you get here and it's like, well, I played with him and I played. Well, dude, you're on our team now. It don't matter if you. I don't care if that's your best friend or your biological brother. He ain't on our team. And it's like, you know, and you're right with the, you know, who doesn't want to see people talking? It's theater. People are excited and most of the people don't even know what's happening in the basketball court anyway. They're eating their hot dog, watching popcorn. They want to be entertained. You give them popcorn, you yank out the entertainment. Of course people aren't going to show up.
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B
Yeah, it's lost that physical nature. And I think other sports, you should be allowed to talk because I. I used to love tennis. But now you get penalized for talking in tennis. Same with chess, you know, same with baseball.
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A
Chess?
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B
Yeah. You can't talk during chess.
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A
Really?
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B
And I love chess because when I play with my friends, I'm talking like I'm getting in their head. Like you said, it's a mental game, too.
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A
You're allowed to say anything.
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B
Can't say anything, or you get disqualified.
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A
For real?
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B
Yeah. For chess, like, you should be allowed to try to get into people's head. You know, it's a sport. It's competition. You know, the physical nature of the sports, one side of the game. But the mental side, like you said with basketball, it's really evident because you see these guys warming up pregame, they don't miss a shot, not one shot. And then you see them in the game, they can't make a free throw.
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A
Well, that's the other thing too. You know, it's funny because, you know, you get tech or something late, and one time a guy said to me, why don't you ever let my son shoot the technical fouls? He's the best free throw shooter on the team. And I said, no, your son's the best free throw shooter on the team when the game's not on the line, and he is. If we're up 20, down 20, he's gonna make both of them. And if the crowd's okay, but in a hostile environment, I'll let this kid shoot. He's 15% lower than your kid on a. But when the game's in line, he don't change at all. He actually does a little bit better. He wants me. It's like, you hand the ball and you look at the kid's eyes and you're like, nope, nope, nope. And then there's that one kid going, give me the ball. Yeah, like, I want the ball. Same with. Same with pitching baseball. You go to the bullpen, you're like, who? Well, this kid's dying to get in. Sometimes you're like, hey, bro, you pitched way too much. And you're always excited. And you're not as good as everybody else, but a lot of times you're like, no, he wants in. That's the thing in life. The guy or girl that just wants in all the time. Dude, I want in. Like, who's in? I'm in. What are we doing? Don't even know I'm in. Got any volunteers? I'm in. You know, we did this little reality show. It was great. One of the first deals was you had to, like, volunteer, you know, what you're volunteering for. Ended up being. And they were sparring, but we had this kid come in. He's a UFC former champion, Charles Rose, a great guy. And it was boxing for a couple rounds. And again, he wasn't gonna, like, murder anybody, but you had to land, or he lands the point. But it was the people that were like, I'm in. And you're like, dude, do. You don't even know what it is. I know what I mean. And then some of the kids, I'm like, dude, this is what's going to happen. Have. You don't want your first fight. He's not gonna hurt you. But you've never been a fight in your life. It looks like you're terrified in your eyes. Let's. Let's. You don't have to do this. I don't want you to be out this early. Like, okay, thanks. And then some of you're like, oh, he's dumb enough to just do it. That's what I like. Sometimes we look in people's eyes. There's nothing. Those are my guys. Like, what's going on in there? You're like, I don't think anything is. Meaning. He don't give a about nothing. He don't seem scared. I don't even know if he's smart enough to be scared, but he's in. He's on our team. Yeah, let's go. Those guys are dangerous. Yeah.
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B
You could tell a lot with the eyes.
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A
Crazy's good, dude. As long as you can contain it.
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B
Yeah, that's the trick, right? You can contain it because sometimes they'll go the other way.
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A
Oh, it's a. It's. It's a bloodbath.
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B
Yeah. I'm sure you've had to fire some people.
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A
Plenty of them. Way too many.
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B
And it's tricky when they're top sales people, too. I bet.
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A
It's hard, man, but, you know, you're. You're crazy. Can't hurt everybody else, you know? And now there's levels, right? You're like, okay, he's, you know, talking about coaching basketball. Sometimes my son would say, like, why is he still on the team? He scores 25 points a game. He's paying the ass. I'm like, oh, he's paying the ass, but he scores 25 points a game. Yeah, he's good. He's a good rebounder. Handles the ball well. We're Going to hope that some of these other things change. If they don't, they don't. And if we have to do something, eventually, we will. What if he scored two points a game? That I wouldn't have him on the team. That's not fair. No, that is fair. That's life. You only got eight kids, so don't be absent expendable at the same time. So if you're having results, there's a little bit of leeway, but then there's a line. You get too crazy. You're like, okay, do I got to take him off team? Like, he's going to harm somebody.
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B
Agreed. Yeah.
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A
Literally.
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B
You still coaching any sports or all your kids are grown up now, right?
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A
They're grown, dude. I miss it though, man. Like, I do. That's one thing I will tell you. I freaking miss immensely. Like, I do some stuff at FAU football program in Boca. My buddy Chris Carter, I do a podcast with him, and he's one of the coaches there. And. And I'm involved with them. Just, just. I like just being a ball, but I. Damn, I miss it, miss coaching. Football, basketball, baseball was some of the greatest times I've ever had to watch other people and be there for them, you know, whether they're having their. Their. I mean, dude, I'm. I can remember games that These guys played 15 years ago, and I. I can vividly remember them.
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B
That's impressive, man. So you really were passionate about that.
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A
Yeah, man.
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B
Where do you rank coaching in terms of difficulty? Because a lot of people say it's one of the toughest jobs on a professional level, man.
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A
You mean being a professional coach or being professional coach? Yeah, I think. Well, first of all, it's ex. Insanely complicated. I. I rank at the difficult difficulty levels off the charts.
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B
But.
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A
But also it's one of those things where. Let's even take college nowadays. Imagine being the guy in charge that makes a million a year, and then everybody else, your coaching makes more than you. And in today's world, and in that world, a lot of times it's like, who's making the most?
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B
Right?
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A
Well, damn. The dude there is making the least, and he's allegedly in charge. If a guy makes 20 million a year to play basketball and the coach mates 3 million, the dude making 20 million is in charge. Coach is not. He's kind of in charge. But they ain't gonna. If they're partnering with one of these two, it ain't gonna be this dude. So he's got to appease this guy. Cause this guy's in charge when they go. He's a players coach. Well, dude, almost all these professional coaches are nowadays. Like, the Raiders just hired what's his name back. Pete Carroll.
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B
Oh, they did?
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A
Yeah, Howard, Pete Carroll. And you go like, what's it? Well, everybody says the players coach. Like Dolphins coach Mike McDaniel. I have this discussion with Chris Carter. He's like, he's great. I'm like, but you know what? Players seem to like him, but then eventually got to win, too. Now, if a fight breaks out or we're trying to get excited about something, I'm not calling Mike McDaniel to get me excited. If I'm a football player, I'm just not. I'm sorry. But he's smart. People like him. I think it's really complicated to juggle all of that. I think amateur coaching is such bliss because, dude, they want to be there. They're not being paid. When he's coaching high school, some of the travel stuff we did, man, and even some of the travel teams we had, dude, I paid their way. I liked hungry, broke kids, but guess what? I paid your way. So I'm like, hey, Ma, he's on the team as long as he shows up, competes. But if he don't play, well, I want you all to understand, I'm not paying for him. Like, I'm paying. Y'all gotta pay nothing. My single mom couldn't afford to put me in anything. But he's got to now go ahead and do his job. Deliver. Yeah, yeah, deliver. You know, as opposed to, you know, you're making X amount of dollars and everybody thinks you got to play this kid or play that kid or. So I think it's. It's really hard. I don't know how some of these guys do on the professional level because there's few of them that have a lot of respect. Look at Andy Reid. And those guys love them. But if you talk about. Talk to some of these guys in the league, they love him because he knows their deal. He talks to him. He knows their life. He's just a connector. And people really love that about him. If you listen to these guys talk, that's why Mahomes, those guys all love him. Like, he's a connector, you know, and they know that he loves on him. He's been through shit in life, too, with his sons, right? So I think that they have that as well. So you hear them talk about, like, no, Andy's been through it, man, and he's still here for us, so. But I think the rest of it's really hard, man. And also, I mean, you look at the national championship this year, I actually believe, even though people argue with me, Ohio State. I think Dave was going to get fired had he not made the championship. Think about that. Like, you could literally get in the college playoffs. But they're like, no, he didn't beat Michigan. He didn't win this game over here, and he didn't do that. But he also is getting. You know, these guys are getting paid 20 million and. And a lot of them are. So now all of a sudden, you're on top of the world one day. You have one loss, you lose to Michigan. It's like the world's over one game, which didn't end up mean. I mean, they won the national championship anyway. But it's just, dude, that's a very, you know, loveless business. They love you. They hate you, bro. Yeah. And then everybody's at you anyway, and then these guys aren't playing. I. I couldn't coach anything professionally. Not that I. I'm qualified to do. I just couldn't do it. And I think I couldn't do it because, you know, I just don't know how you win that battle. You got to owner worth as much as he is. She's worth. Then you got a gentleman drop in there somewhere, don't have to deal with the players. Then you got the coach who doesn't make near as much, like he's much more expendable than they are. And if you go at it with the players and they got to pick between you and the players, they're going to be the players, right? The good ones. So now that you're not in charge, how do you navigate a bunch of people? Make them happy, challenge them a little bit. The professionals make in game decisions. Think about the star players, how you don't piss him off, and then make sure that the relationship between that triangulation of you, the general manager, the owner. And then like, what do you do when the owner is like a Jerry Jones? When owners with the players anyway, you can't. You have no shot. Like, everybody's like, is Dion gonna be coaching the Cowboys? I. I don't ever see how Jerry Jones ever sets his ego aside. Unless Dion come in. Ever. You know what I mean? Because he's Jerry Jones. Yeah, but imagine coaching knowing that any one of those players called Jerry and be like, I don't like the way this is going down. I mean, you're literally just, you know, it's tough, man. It's. It's got to be.
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B
I think the average tenure is like, one or two years at the pro level.
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A
I wouldn't want to do it, dude. I. I just. I. You know, I. I think for me, I. I think even. Even when you coach, like, when you. Like, even through high school, people always say, what did you enjoy the most? Middle school, high school, some of the collegiate stuff. You get a certain age, dude, it was like, you just get really frustrated because you're like, bro, you're not. Like, why are you acting like they're not? I used to look around and be like, where are all the scouts? What do you mean, coach? I'm like, where are they? Because you're walking around here acting like you're on top of the motherfucking world. Who do you think you are? Like, there's nobody here, bro. There's us. We're competing. We like you. You're pretty good. Just go out there and play the game. Yeah, but who do you think you are? Where do you think we are? Because that's a big part of it, too, is being honest with people. Because nowadays. And I. I do think it's different nowadays, everybody's great, right? You find a way to play somewhere. You have a distinct. Everybody will let you play if you pay. And all of a sudden, everybody's great and they get done with high school. Like, where's my kid going to play? And I would meet with these exception, baseball. And I'm like, I'll meet with you and talk to you about what their options are. And I was, like, scared sometimes. I'm like, why is he flying out there to that camp? Like, it's a paid camp. Well, he like to go to school there. And I'm like, oh, go to school there. Cool. Because is he smart? Gets good grades? Yeah. I'll be like, okay, awesome. He's with baseball there. I'm like, That's a Division 1 baseball program. Like, well, what are you saying? I'm like, your kid's a Division 5 baseball player. Like, he has no chance to play college baseball at any level. Why are you telling him that? Haven't you watched his. Like, he didn't play in his high school team. Barely. Like, but it's just like this idea of, like, let's just continue. You're gonna keep trying hard, Tommy Tom. You're not good. You're as bad as your dad was, and there's nothing wrong with that. Just go get a great degree. You played on this team. You're on your high school team you got in a little bit, you know, but these people, they lie to these kids and they set them off into the world, and it's like, there's a lot of kids that were anointed to be the next coming of everything when they're younger, especially when they mature real fast. You know, I still. People be careful with the kids that go through puberty real young.
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B
Right.
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A
Because they look really, really good.
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B
They peak young, though.
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A
Yeah, they're monsters. And all of a sudden, it's like, bro, everybody else caught up to you. Now, can you play or not? And while they were doing this, their parents weren't just, like, taking with a grain of salt. They're ready to get them drafted. They're 12. Just take a breath. And that also makes the kids hate the game. They start hating it because then their parents say, you're this. They get older. They're not this. Then they hate the game.
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B
I've seen that.
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A
Yeah, it's awful. It's awful to do to kids.
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B
I saw it in basketball with kids that grew tall early.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And then they. By the time high school ended, they hated it. They didn't want to hoop anymore.
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A
Well, why would they? They were. And then you let your parents. They don't want to let their parents down or whoever was believing them. And they're telling what they're going to do and where they're going to college and looking at all these schools, and it's like, now, listen, they can't. They're not who you said they were going to be. They. You said they were going to be. They didn't say that. Nobody else said that. You said they were going to be that way, you know, and there's a lot of people to lie to the kids. Just get them to pay. Yeah, your kids should play on our team. It's 3500 bucks for the summer, and, man, he's gonna be a great college baseball player. I'm like, he's not playing college baseball like that. But if you want to pay 3500 bucks to have a great summer, do it. But don't lie to the kid.
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B
Yeah, it's tough because they put all their eggs in that basket, and then they realize they're not good enough in college. Well, it's sports, and their identity is wrapped up in it.
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A
They don't have an identity.
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B
Right.
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A
Because it's all they got. And then it's that whole idea of, you know, it's like, you know, hard work beats talent. When talent doesn't work hard That's a fucking lie. That's a bold faced lie. In athletics, in business, it's true. You built what you built by working your ass off, that's true. But just because you work your ass off on a basketball court, baseball field or foot, dude, if you're not talented, that kid can work out. Once a year, he's going to walk on the field. He runs a 40 and 4.
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B
4.
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A
He jumps through the roof. He's strong. And you've been working out every day to work your footwork, your strength, your speed to cover him. And you still can't cover him because God made him much more talent than you. He's eating Cinnabons, drinking what he wants to drink, laying on the couch, rolling off the couch and kicking your ass. Because sports, that's what's great. Once you leave the talent whenever. When it's based on talent and hard work, you got to work hard. Once you have the talent to continue to grow. I totally get that. But what's great about being in a businessman, working your job, being an entrepreneur, dude, it doesn't really take talent, which is what makes it great. Are you willing to learn and will you work hard?
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B
Facts.
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A
That's cool. So now everybody's level. And if you win, you can beat anybody. Anybody. Doesn't matter.
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B
Yeah. I had no talent in business.
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A
No, but your reps. Hey, your first podcast, when was it?
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B
Two years ago?
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A
Two years ago, Very first one. How much better are you today than two years?
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B
So much better. Night and day.
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A
Night and day. Like, you wouldn't even recognize. If you watch the video, you'd be like, wow. And not near as bad as you'll make it out to be, but so much better.
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B
Yeah.
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A
How much more comfortable are you?
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B
So much. I couldn't even talk on the first one.
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A
Correct.
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B
I was scared.
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A
People come in now. You could care less. You're eating homemade stuff in your fiance. We're having fun. We're sitting around. But the first couple, you're probably like, oh, he's coming in and yeah, what am I going to talk about?
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B
And super nervous. Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Grant Cardone came on the first time almost myself.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And now you're like, you care less if you're. If I was like, trump's outside. You'd be like, when's he in? In half an hour.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You don't care.
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B
No.
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A
Doesn't matter to you at all. You put the reps and you do the work.
- [28:17]
B
That's where confidence comes, right?
- [28:18]
A
Yes.
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B
Yeah. Because I had a little confidence Growing up, to be honest, little, I was not confident at all. I think part of that was single mother didn't have that father figure.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And then sports helped me gain some confidence. So I. That's why I recommend, you know, play sports.
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A
100%.
- [28:34]
B
You'll find yourself.
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A
100%. And you don't have to be a professional athlete. You'll find yourself. You take those things that have helped you in business. Same with me. All those things I learned throughout the years in the field, playing, coaching, I fall back on those in business. When I don't know what to do, I'm like, all right. My coach, John Ellis, was the best coach I ever had. He was a successful businessman. Cool. This happened in life. How do I deal with it? Boom. This is what I think he would have done. Cool. That's great. I remember he had to talk with me. And I was always trying to get as much out of everybody as I could. I knew the coaches were using me to be better so we'd win. I wanted to use them to get what they knew. Not just about sports, but about life. Because my old man wasn't around either. So I'm like, what can I get from them? What do they know? Coach, how'd you do that? I was a crazy question asker. Forever, ever.
- [29:18]
B
And weren't shy.
- [29:20]
A
Never. And give a no. I was lit and I was tiny. I was 97 pounds my freshman year in high school. Wow. 97. Yeah. I played football, basketball, base. I was 97 pounds.
- [29:29]
B
Holy crap.
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A
I graduated 195. You got 100 pounds in four years.
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B
Damn.
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A
But I graduated at 17, so I was really young. As a freshman. I didn't even think about going through puberty. And I was just like walking around. Didn't even realize I realized how small I was compared to them as they started to mature and stuff. But I mean, football, dude, as a bloodbath. I got knocked around everywhere. But I was. But you just kept getting up. And then I was like, eventually I'll get bigger or I won't. And if I don't get bigger, I mean, ain't not much I can do at £97, you know. But I was like, I didn't give a. I could care less. Hit me in the face punch. But I was not gonna back around. And a lot easier to get beaten up by 200 pound senior when you're a freshman. Then refuse to fight. I take that a day to week. Really, like, what happened? I'm like, oh, I almost had him. Like, dude, he beat the out of you. I was like, I almost had him, you know, but I mean, at least. And I think I just had my own issues, my own. My own self deprecating behavior as aone. I was going to party and do all that just to. So, you know, having that happen and having that happen with somebody was just another way for me to punish myself for, you know, some of the trauma.
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B
And I was going through, I feel. So you're big on partying in high school?
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A
I love partying. Really?
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B
What do you think caused that?
- [30:44]
A
I watched it growing up as much as I. My old man wasn't around. Whenever I saw him, he was always partying. And I still, much as he was never, I was like, he's still my father. So I still had this kind of weird, like, I want to be kind of like, I didn't know how. I knew it was messed up, but I really know how messed up it was. And I mean, I was around a lot of that when I was real young, you know, drinking, drugs. And then when I was probably 13, my mom worked three jobs, so we were never. So I knew some of the older kids in my neighborhood where we lived and you know, we started smoking weed and they're like, you should sell it. And I was like, what do I get? And they told me. So I was like, okay, here's an eighth, here's a quarter. How do I do this? Here's dime bag. Cool. Gotta do this. I make myself some money. Yeah, I love smoking weed. I smoked weed every day from the age of 13 to probably 28.
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B
Damn. Every day, 15 years straight.
- [31:29]
A
Everybody day, ask my friends every day.
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B
Holy crap.
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A
But I love smoking weed, you know. And then problem with that was that led me to using coke, that led me to smoking crack. It was just. It was a. So yeah, I got sober at 28, but I loved partying. I think it just made me. It made me. It gave me the alter reality I wanted. I wanted a different situation. I don't want to live in some of the stuff I had going on. It gave me an edge. It made people look at me differently, I thought. And a lot of those kids that I played ball with were really centered and really secure. So I lived like these two lives where I played ball and I had. My friends were athletes, but I partied like crazy. And so I had like all these. And back then there was all kinds of different crews they called them and clicks and different names they had for them all. But I'm like, I just kind of was in everything. Yeah, you know, I was like, you don't like him. But like, I get high with Max. Don't mess with Max. And well, Kevin, he's my. He's my tailback on football team. I'm like, I just knew a lot of the different people, so I just kind of. I didn't feel comfortable. I felt comfortable playing ball when I was playing ball with the guys on my team, on the field. But once the game was over and they went back to their lives with mom, dad, dinners, two parents, I didn't. I didn't know what to do. So I'm like, I'm gonna go over here and like, party my ass off. I don't really have anywhere to go. Like, game gets over and their moms and dads pick them up and they're good. I don't have any. Anybody pick me up, dad. Yeah. And it wasn't telling a. I mean, it was fine, but I would, like, get a ride home with somebody. My mom worked a lot, so it's not like she didn't want to be in my games. Mother just worked a ton. I don't think my mom went to football, basketball, and baseball. I don't think my mom went to. And I played basketball for two years in high school. I did. I just wasn't. Basketball didn't love me. I didn't love it, dude. So I. I only played it for two years. My four years a Baseball, football. Went to college, play baseball. My mother, I bet, seen two games. That's it from when I was a little kid. She was working.
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B
Wow.
- [33:10]
A
My mom worked her ass off. So because she had to. She had do everything to care of us. And then my dad, when he got older, he would show up drunk and talk. Talk to me like, he would like, taunt me from the. Geez, the stands. Yeah. But I hate it when he came. But, you know, so then I think I just got to a point where, like, in college, I was like, screw him. He seems to be excited. So I don't even want, like, to play anymore since he's around.
- [33:30]
B
But.
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A
But yeah, man, I. So I decided, I think I would run. Like, not run, but my game would get over. I'm like, let's go over here with these guys and get high. You know, find my buddies in the apartment complex I lived in. And they weren't hard to find. Their moms weren't home, moms were working, or their moms were partying. My mom worked. My mom was a. She was a drinker, but she wouldn't drug user.
- [33:48]
B
You know, so you were living two lives.
- [33:50]
A
100.
- [33:51]
B
Wow. That probably helped you with sales because you got all these perspectives.
- [33:54]
A
Oh, dude, I learned how to deal with all kinds of people. I mean all kinds of people, man. And all everywhere. Like just every background where I grew up. And I was all always very comfortable in any environment. So it wasn't a lot that made me uncomfortable.
- [34:08]
B
Which is cool because sometimes athletes are just so in their own bubble. Right. That they're close minded to other perspectives. I see that with football players, you know.
- [34:14]
A
Yeah, I wasn't, man. I, I think I was very, you know, I. And which was good. I had a lot of perspective from a lot of different people, you know, so. And I was always moving in in different groups, so that was good.
- [34:25]
B
And it sounds like you really wanted to provide for your mother. Is that a big part of your work ethic?
- [34:30]
A
Yeah, I'm probably my mother. I didn't want to be broke, you know, so my mom would be okay, which I've been able to do. It's been awesome. And I didn't want to be broke, you know. So I think. And I think you talked about identity earlier. I wasn't like, I was smart. Like I know one thing was going to be my identity. Like I love playing sports. When I got done in college, I didn't freak me out. I was going to go to work. And then when I had my first job and I loved it, that wasn't my identity. It was just a job. And I'm like, okay, cool. I'm going to run a real estate company. I wasn't like a real estate. That wasn't my identity. I was a businessman, did that for years. Had an opportunity to sell it. Cool. Let me get into waste management. But I wasn't. That was my identity either. Life insurance is not my identity. You know, I want to be a good business person. I want to do well. I want to provide for other people. I want to teach other people to do what I've done.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Period. End of story. And I want to do it at a better. I want to give people a better opportunity. There was barrier venture was really hard for me when I got into business because I was trying to find a way to get around people and they wouldn't. We didn't have social media.
- [35:28]
B
Right.
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A
So you didn't get to go on and just search it and find it. So you had to go find people and then you go find people and then they want you to pay them. They wouldn't do it. And it wasn't like it is now, like, they didn't have all these coaching, but you'd have to find a way to get around them, you know, When I was in real estate in 2000, dude, I was like, my first event was here in Vegas with a ReMax company that shows like $30,000.
- [35:54]
B
Damn.
- [35:55]
A
Yes. But just to attend it, to attend all the sessions they had. It was like four days. The breakouts, yes. But a lot of these people. So I was one of the few people not making. Like I was new to the business and I'd made a. I mean, it's money. Like, I was. I was never broke when I was. I was doing other. Doing stuff I probably shouldn't be doing. I had money and then. But it was so awesome because I was like one of the only guys. Everybody else was there a big. Was a big producer.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So I had this wealth of people. And I was young, like, they're most of them a lot older. And I had the ability to. I was, I was courageous. I'd ask questions. So I made a lot of relationships there that lasted me 10, 15, 20 years. And a lot of them were like, well, why did you come? And I'm like, well, the person that recruited me said, this is the best meeting all year. And said to me, she said, I bet you can't afford to do it. She was, you know, hell, in her 50s. She was 30 years older than me. And I was like, well, what do you mean? She's like, well, it's not for new people. And I'm like, am I not allowed to go? And she's like, no, you can definitely go. I'm just saying, like, I wouldn't waste. I'm like, but you're telling me it's really good. Why am I wasting my money? You know? And she's like, would you have 30 grand? I'm like, I could come up with it. I come up with 30 grand if it's going to be that good. And then I'm not going to. Those four days, I went to every minute. I showed up 7am, stayed till 7pm I didn't miss nothing. Went to the bathroom, I came right back. And then I just asked questions. When we had breaks and found people. Wow. And I'd be like, can I get your number? Can I get your number? And dude, like, it was different world. It wasn't like, where's your cell?
- [37:22]
B
I mean, it was no cell phones back then, right.
- [37:25]
A
World, man. When you start thinking back then, like, how you got a hold of people.
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B
Yeah.
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A
When There was email. That's the other thing. A lot of which is good, but a lot of y'all don't, like, couldn't fathom because you're like, what do you mean? I'm like, yeah, we didn't. That was a newer thing for me. You know what I mean? To send an email, it was like getting your home phone number to then call you from my office or home phone to then get a hold of you.
- [37:48]
B
That's crazy.
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A
And I can't remember when I had a cell phone or didn't or when I didn't have a pager or when I first got my next out, and I'm like, walkie talkie people. And. But yeah, man, but you had to. You had to go get it. And. And I wanted to provide stuff where people. It was lower barrier of entry. You know, I wanted to be able to just share information with people on a pretty regular basis and not smoke them. Wow.
- [38:10]
B
That perspective is crazy because you hear people complaining about not getting views on social media, but this is a whole nother level, you know, like, you would.
- [38:18]
A
Get an airplane to fly across the country to have a conversation with somebody, and then when you left, how did you get in touch with them? You'd have to get back into a. Into a phone and hope they were in front of theirs as a nuts.
- [38:30]
B
Now. Yeah. Now you could text them on the plane.
- [38:32]
A
100%. You do everything.
- [38:33]
B
You got Wi Fi on the plane.
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A
And then you're like, how'd you get your information? Watch tv, Read a newspaper, right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
That's all my business information.
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B
They met on a newspaper.
- [38:41]
A
Really?
- [38:42]
B
Yeah. That's what dating was back then, right?
- [38:44]
A
Yeah.
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B
Paper ads.
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A
Yeah. It's crazy.
- [38:46]
B
Now you got Tinder, you just swipe.
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A
Yeah, yeah. I never, I never use newspaper ads, but, yeah. So it's a lot different nowadays than it was then.
- [38:53]
B
Yeah. Yeah. The access is just like, I see all the views I'm getting. It's just like, Holy crap.
- [38:57]
A
Yeah.
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B
100 million views a month.
- [38:59]
A
It's crazy.
- [38:59]
B
Like, back then, that's not. You had to have a huge television show.
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A
Well, think about that. Really, Right? How many people back then had. How many. How anything had 100 million views? Like, y'all are bigger than, like, the biggest TV and shows and sport events were.
- [39:16]
B
Yeah, that's true.
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A
100. Yeah.
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B
Because they have that many stadiums, like a hundred thousand.
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A
Correct.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Now think about that. That's what blows my mind. Like, I, I, I, you know, I'll travel a lot, and I'm with People, I'm like, and again, it's. And it's always bigger platforms. Right? Your platform. What's his name? The Hard Knocks kid who I like a lot.
- [39:34]
B
Oh, James.
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A
Yeah, James. Like, I was, you know, I was in Casino the other night and this guy's like, hey, man, how are you? You Sean? I was like, yeah, just watch Hard Knocks. But then again, somebody's like, man, how do you like, I'll be traveling. I was in St. Thomas. This dude's at a restaurant. He's like, hey, I just saw your Hard Knocks. I'm like, but when you have that many views, there are a couple hundred million people in America. If you're getting that many views, that's a large percentage of population that's seeing what you're doing.
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B
Right.
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A
You could not accomplish that before. You couldn't. There were ridiculously famous people in New England. I knew ridiculously famous. But dude, you didn't know, like, unless you watched games, you didn't know. These great athletes walked around all over the place. Nobody knew they were.
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B
Because they have helmets too.
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A
I think they have helmets. It was a different world. They didn't have post game, the interviews, all the stuff they're doing now. They didn't have any marketing. They're not being promoted and they weren't doing any commercials. I mean, the handful athletes everybody knew. Yeah, but outside of those handful athletes.
- [40:26]
B
You didn't know other than Gronk, Brady and maybe like Amendola and a couple others? Nah, you didn't know the rest of the Patriots.
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A
No. 100. But even back, back, back, back, you would know anybody you had known. Brady Gronk probably wouldn't have had the marketing back then because that wasn't the appetite.
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B
Right.
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A
There was really no Gronk kind of deal. Like, he just wouldn't have fit into a lot of the market. It was very bland and. And dry. And it wouldn't have.
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B
It wouldn't have worked. Yeah, pre social media, I don't think it would have worked.
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A
You're right, it wouldn't work. Yeah, Brady would have worked for it. He got on whatever. Whatever product it was. He would have said something. But it. But you wouldn't have known. And these were businessmen women. You didn't know who they were, your politicians, I mean, your pres. But outside of that, you didn't know. How'd you know you. If you watch the news and happen to catch one of them on the news and see something, but other than that, you didn't see stuff live.
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B
I remember reading in elementary School about like Bill Gates. That's the only entrepreneur I knew.
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A
Correct.
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B
That's it.
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A
And back then, those guys are walking everywhere. You didn't know. You look some of those old school videos back in the day, that was word of mouth. And you showed up in an event somewhere.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And got around them with a hundred people. People are like, how did they get into that group, dude? Nobody knew about it. How did you find anybody? Because I think you take that for granted. You think about what? How many views you get a month?
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B
100.
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A
What?
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B
100 million.
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A
Think about that, dude. A hundred million? Yeah.
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B
It's nuts.
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A
That's the thing. If you really take a step back and go. That's insane.
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B
It's nuts, dude.
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A
Yes. And if you take. How many people are in America, it'd.
- [41:55]
B
Probably be at least half if I. If I had to look at that.
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A
Okay. So 50 million number from here in the States.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And how many people live in the United States of America?
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B
300.
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A
Okay.
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B
Or whatever.
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A
So one every six people.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Has seen something you've done. And it's more than that because all the people are sharing. But think about it. Even if it was just that, if it was one in every hundred. One in every six people. So when you walk around and people like Dan, who you are, that's crazy, right? Yeah, that's crazy. Because a couple years ago, especially when you were like, didn't want to leave your place.
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B
I know. Had agoraphobia. I couldn't even leave my bed.
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A
Which is like awesome. You share it and also be transparent about it. But it means any dude. That's the whole deal. Like you are. Anybody can do anything. Finagorophobic who don't want to leave their bed can get one out of every six people in America to watch something he's doing every single month. By doing what? Going to work, Working your ass off, Changing. Getting uncomfortable and just showing the fuck up.
- [42:47]
B
That's what I'm saying. I'm not doing anything special. Like I'm showing up, you know, filming six episodes a day. Is that work ethic?
- [42:53]
A
There you go.
- [42:54]
B
But anyone could do it if they put their mind to it.
- [42:57]
A
Correct.
- [42:57]
B
You know.
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A
But early on, when you're not getting 100 million views.
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B
Oh, I had to lose at first. Yeah. First six months I was losing money. I was doubting myself. I was probably a month or two away from calling it quits, which is.
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A
What most successful people. Because you had to push that limit. Most everybody. When I look at all the stuff I'd done I would have done something else, but I could occur. I could have called it in. Do you understand? In real estate, waste management and life insurance, I did not make money my first three years in any of them. Now I made money that I poured back in. But I didn't make money. I was paying my bills to the tune of real estate. I was probably keeping 40 grand a year. Sold that for millions and millions of dollars. Waste management, I was paying my bills. I was probably taking 50 grand a year. Pay my bills, sold that for millions. Life insurance deal for a hell of a lot more than that. Boatloads of money and same thing. There I was paying my bills to tune of 80 rand a year.
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B
Wow.
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A
Keep my money modest. Modest? Yeah. Dude. I was building a company doing, you know, 100 million in volume, driving a Honda Accord and living in a, you know, on my house 8 and on the street in Norwich, Connecticut. A tiny little aqua blue green. I don't even know what the tea. What is hella color is asbestos sided house with no yard and no driveway.
- [44:08]
B
Wow.
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A
Yeah.
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B
No, that's discipline, man.
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A
100.
- [44:11]
B
Because you see all these people on social media these days flexing their.
- [44:14]
A
But I was doing what you were doing, dude. I was working 14 hours a day, dude. I was doing stuff that I was on the phone at 6:00am down, recruiting, selling. And I was on the phone until 8, 9 o'clock at night.
- [44:24]
B
Wow.
- [44:24]
A
Seven days a week. Anybody could have done it. Any one of my peers could have done it. But. And I was probably not too far away from going, dude, I got to make money eventually. Like I gotta make money eventually doing this.
- [44:38]
B
I see where I was about six months in. It's like, damn, can I keep bleeding like this hurts? You know, like putting that much money out, not getting the views you want.
- [44:46]
A
Correct.
- [44:46]
B
You got to stick through it, man.
- [44:48]
A
Well, you did, man. You should be proud of yourself.
- [44:49]
B
You too.
- [44:49]
A
Yeah.
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B
It's not an easy route. A couple final questions. Since I know you're big on coaching. I want to know who you think the goat of coaching is greatest of all time athletically. Yeah. Oh man, we could break it by sport probably that'd be easier.
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A
That's a great question, man. That's a really good question. I'm a big Phil Jackson guy in basketball. I just think that not just, you know, triangle offense, how many championships I won. I think to manage all those personalities, I think to do what he was able to do. When you're looking at Jordan and Rodman and Pippen, like Jordan Pimmet can't even like, talk to each other at all. Like. And listen, I. Obviously, you know, when one dude's son dates the other one's ex wife, that's got to mess you up. But like, he managed all that. And Jordan respected him, which Jordan doesn't seem to respect.
- [45:42]
B
Right.
- [45:43]
A
A lot of people. So, like, he respected him. So I think from a basketball standpoint, I mean, Pop, some of these other guys are great coaches, college level, Shashevsky. But I just, Dude, Phil Jackson, to me was just like a different level.
- [45:55]
B
He had Shaq, too.
- [45:57]
A
He had Shaq.
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B
He's not easy to manage.
- [45:59]
A
No, I can't imagine any of them are easy to manage, dude. And he did it well. Yeah, you know, man. Dude, I don't, you know, and I can go back to a lot of old school coaches and dude, I just don't know if anybody's, I don't know if anybody's better than Andy Reid, you know, I love, I know, but I'm over Bill. Yeah, I just. And I'm not saying, listen, dude. And Andy's still rolling, so like, let's not. We don't know what he's going to win or not. Bill Belichick's one hell of a coach, you know, if he's, if he's not the race all the time, then again, I'm just telling you, if you ask me right now, when you look at both of them, body of work done, look, Andy Reid slowing down, don't know how he suit bowls, is going to win, how many games he'll end up winning. I just think that, I think if Bill Belichick was starting his career today with the current players, I think, I don't think he evolves. We'll see how he does in North Carolina. I mean, we'll see. But I, I, I, I do, I do think Andy, Andy Reid, obviously, you know, Belichick's easy to say, but I, and it's not about one. I like one more. Another baseball man, dude, I. Are you an old school baseball guy at all or.
- [47:07]
B
No, no, I don't follow the old stuff.
- [47:09]
A
I'm gonna tell you what, like, Tommy Lasorda was a very successful baseball coach. Dodgers, he wasn't a lot. But I'll tell you why I love him. Because a buddy of mine played on the Olympic team with him and he was coach and they had, they were in Australia and back in the day it was a big deal because they got in a brawl in a casino. And I said, what was Tommy doing? He goes, oh, he's in the middle of it fucking fighting. Like he, I just, he was old school hardcore. I mean there's some unbelievable baseball coaches obviously, but I just, I like guys. I was a Billy Martin guy too with Yankees. Like Billy was always, I mean to manage Steinbrenner and be able to handle him made him one hell of a coach. Joe Tori, I'm a Yankee guy was one hell of a coach. But I don't know, dude. There's something about a coach that's drinking, fighting, partying, winning ass, takes no from nobody kind of guy.
- [48:02]
B
Love it.
- [48:02]
A
And he would mess with the players, call them different names just to with them, you know, get in their heads and get the most out of them. And he won an Olympic gold medal with a bunch of ragam muffins what they were called. And they said they had no shot. And now there was, it was, it was a team that no. And he won a gold medal with him. So that's, that's one hell of a coaching accomplishment. So it'd be my favorite.
- [48:24]
B
I mean, I agree with basketball and football. Baseball, I don't want to watch as much, but yeah, I think you're spot on and you would know as a former coach, you know.
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A
Yeah, man, it's been good to watch, dude. So we'll see how it all turns out. We'll see how it turns out this year in football and see where we go from there.
- [48:37]
B
Yeah. Any predictions? The Super Bowls in a couple weeks. Who do you got?
- [48:40]
A
Dude, I like, I like the commanders to beat what the Eagles. I do. Ask me do I think that Philly's in a cover. I said I Washington is going to win. I love Jane Daniels. I think he's. I said this when he's at lsu. I sure didn't know he's have this kind of year this year. But I, I, you know, Philly's loaded. Philly's talented, but I don't know. I just think in Washington is, man, they've won a lot of these big games in the road. This kid is poised. I mean this kid's in the pocket and it's like all this, he don't, he don't, he don't. He don't bend. He don't break. He's unbelievably talented with his footwork and throwing a ball. I like them and I like the Bills and I'm probably going to like sit back and watch the Chiefs win by two and be like, dude, how did that happen? They won 24 to 22. Like, what they always do. They do. But I just think the Bills are dialed in. I think Josh dialed in, you know, Kansas City. I know there's been some years that. But they, you know, they've had a tough year. But I do. I like the Bills and the Commanders, and I like the Bills to win the championship.
- [49:43]
B
I love it. You think Mahomes will catch Brady?
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A
Man, I don't. You know, what's hard about this dynasty is what happens when, you know, can they continue to do it? You know, And I also think that Brady. Listen, Brady was addicted to having that kind of success. I don't think Mahomes is.
- [50:08]
B
Wow.
- [50:08]
A
And I don't mean that in a bad way. I think, dude, Mahomes is into his family and is into a lot of. Brady was into football, period. Like, I'm not trying to be a.
- [50:18]
B
Prick, but he lost his wife over football.
- [50:20]
A
Your wife didn't hook up with this ugly martial arts instructor because she. Because you just. You. You. You married football. And that's okay. I don't judge it. I'm about to be in it to know what happened. But it's like, Tom was that committed to be able to take care of your body, your mind, from a football standpoint, do all those things that he did. I mean, Patrick Mahomes takes his shirt off and he should put it back on. And that's impressive because, like, you're like. Like, he just shows up, you know, eats his Captain Crunch, goes to canes, and then throws a football around a little bit. He don't give a damn. Drinks his course light. I just think to be able to. To do that for that many years as Tom did, and I don't know that Patrick should want to either. I. I think life's too short. And I think when you watch. For me, when you watch what Brady went through, you're like. And again, who knows? The whole deal or not? But at the end of the day, dude, talk about it being your identity. And. And, you know, and I. I wish he wasn't announcing games because he's just awful.
- [51:23]
B
Oh, great. He is. I haven't seen them.
- [51:25]
A
Oh, my God, he's awful.
- [51:26]
B
That's actually surprising. You think he'd be really good.
- [51:28]
A
He just has no. Oh, God. It's like eating a bag of thumbstacks but listening to him. But it's. But it's. But I don't. You know, it's a great question. I. I don't think so. And I don't think he should want to. I love that. I don't I think he should. He's gonna have one hell of a career. He's going to be the greatest, one of the greatest of all time. But he's looks like he's got a cool wife and awesome kids and he should focus on that.
- [51:50]
B
Yeah.
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A
And for some people that have lost sight of that, I've been there where it's like, business, business, business, business, you know, and if you're just like, dude, I. I think that there are bigger things in life and, you know, and I don't know that you'd have to ask Tom Brady that you'll probably have him on one day, but you have to ask him that. You know, I will.
- [52:08]
B
I will.
- [52:08]
A
I have no doubt you will. Will he have done anything differently? I don't know, but, you know, to win as many Super Bowls, I don't know about that. But. But Patrick Mahomes should, you know, keep his. Keep his, his, his Doritos and Captain Crunch and have his little gut and be happy and be with his family. You know, I like what he said when he was. She was having the last kid. I guess he's like, well, I had to schedule it so it's not around the, you know, the game and, and. But dude, that guy that seems like it's, you know, God, family.
- [52:40]
B
Yeah. He's all about that.
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A
And I think that's. That's enviable. Yeah, I think that's.
- [52:45]
B
I love that answer because I've had a couple points in my business career where I could have lost my wife, like, if I wanted to keep working the way I was. So you got to really evaluate, like, what are you wanting to sacrifice to get to where you want to be.
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A
100.
- [52:56]
B
I could have had a few more million, but I would have lost her. It's like, that's not worth it.
- [52:59]
A
Ain't worth it, dude. Nah, you'll get. You'll get there when you get there.
- [53:02]
B
Yeah, family's super important. For sure. Dude. It's been fun. Where can people find you and find your podcast?
- [53:06]
A
Man, they can find me everywhere, dude. But last name is M E A I K E. Even though it's Sean. Mike. Yours is spelled right. Mine is M E A I K E. Find me on Instagram. We got a fully loaded podcast. I have a Chris card. Love you. Check that out. I got my pick Money one which. Which is good dog kinds of stuff. But you can find me on all socials by my last name and not hard to find me at all, but I really appreciate letting me get on dude.
- [53:27]
B
Absolutely, man. Thanks for coming. Check out his pod, guys. See you next time.