The Real Reason Patrick Beverley Was Traded 7 Times | DSH #1616

Summary

Podcast Summary: Digital Social Hour — "The Real Reason Patrick Beverley Was Traded 7 Times" (DSH #1616)

Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Patrick Beverley
Date: November 13, 2025

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Main Theme / Purpose

This episode features NBA veteran Patrick Beverley in a wide-ranging, unfiltered conversation with host Sean Kelly. The focus is on Beverley’s candid reflections about his career, particularly the emotions and business decisions behind his numerous trades, his experiences in both the NBA and overseas, thoughts on basketball culture, player longevity, injuries, and the realities of being a professional athlete. The discussion also delves into evolving perspectives on the NBA, WNBA, media narratives, and Beverley’s personal and spiritual journey.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Recent Playing Experience in Israel and Abroad

• Beverley describes his recent season playing in Tel Aviv:

  “It was a vibe. It was really nice. Minus the obvious, you know, bombs and shit. But other than that, it was. It was beautiful. The country is beautiful. The people are great... built a lifetime bond with teammates over there.” — Pat Beverley [01:09]

• Living in Herzliya felt “like Miami every day,” highlighting the contrast between news headlines and his lived experience [59:16–63:23].

2. Longevity, Training, and Changing Health in Basketball

• Beverley stays motivated and in peak shape, feeling as good as he did in his 20s.

  "I'm still working out. Like, I feel like I'm 25 almost. ... The proof is always in the pudding, baby." — Pat Beverley [01:42]

• Discussion on why more players are extending their careers into their late 30s [02:33].

3. The Big Three, Offseason Moves, and Modern NBA Trends

• Praises Ice Cube for the success and vision of the Big Three, offering continued relevance for older players [02:59].
• Surprised by recent trades and waivers, especially Damian Lillard’s mid-career waiver.

  "To get a guy like that and a team waves him...never would have predicted. Never would have thought wave." — Pat Beverley [03:49]

• Talks injuries (“eight torn Achilles last season”) and links them to player conditioning and increased game tempo [05:07–06:33].

4. Youth Basketball, Injuries, and AAU Concerns

• Reflects on the toll of AAU and year-long basketball on youth injuries, sharing the story of his daughter's ACL/MCL injury. Emphasizes the need for balance and exposure versus overplaying [06:41–08:53].

  "I just think that it's a. It's a lot going on. ....They're playing back to back to back, and you, you know, you're on a court and then you go right to the hotel ..." — Pat Beverley [08:23]

5. WNBA, Production, & Gender in Sports

• Pushes against lowering WNBA rims, seeing the core issue as marketing and production value rather than player capability.

  “The product is there. ... It’s not a product issue. ... I think it's more of a production issue. ... Maybe we address that with WNBA. Let's get some purple courts out there, let's get some pink courts out there... Let's do more funky stuff." — Pat Beverley [11:35–13:04]

• Notes the rapid growth of women’s basketball and increased athleticism.

6. Favorite NBA Seasons & Trades Backstory (Why Was Pat Traded So Much?)

• Favorite team: Minnesota Timberwolves because of the locker room culture and his leadership role [13:43].

  "I was able to give the locker room a winning spirit. ...I was able to, I wouldn't say change the culture, but I was able to give the locker room a winning spirit..." — Pat Beverley [15:06]

• Emotional reaction to playing against the Clippers in the play-in was about lack of recognition and compensation for his earlier contributions.

  “You put your blood, sweat and tears into an organization and you want to be compensated for it and you don't get it. Now you play them in a one on one ... Now, you see why, right?" — Pat Beverley [17:44]

• Shared the circumstances of each trade—some known, some out of nowhere (i.e., the Philly trade) [20:37–22:24].
• Details the business side:

  “I get on the bus. Trade deadline. Darryl Morey on the bus. ... Oh, that's how you know ... Ain't been here all year. You on the bus. Okay, say less." — Pat Beverley [21:00]

7. Playoff What-Ifs, Luck, and Peak Teams

• Recalls teams he thinks could have won a championship if healthy (the Bucks, Rockets with Dwight Howard, and Bubble teams) [22:57–23:43].
• On luck:

  “I'm not the guy that believes in luck... I believe you make your own luck..." — Pat Beverley [23:47]

8. Hard Work, Preparation, and Defensive Mindset

• Deep dive into his preparation and defensive approach:

  “Trying to find ways each summer, like no matter how old I get, find ways to get better. And I think that's the key." — Pat Beverley [27:03]

• Defensive edge comes from knowing offensive players as intimately as he knows himself; emphasizes mind games and psychological warfare.

  "All you motherfuckers is trash. I can lock up any one of you motherfuckers. Who do you want me to guard next, coach?" — Pat Beverley [31:15]

• On role players vs. superstars:

  “Guarding a role player, guarding a superstar, two totally different things ..." — Pat Beverley [30:19]

9. Perspective on the “Villain” Role and Reception

• Welcomes being booed everywhere, sees it as respect earned for his impact and work [50:07–51:01].

  “Anyone can clap... But to boo a motherfucker? That's hard. That takes a different energy. ... It's respect." — Pat Beverley [49:51]

• Endorses Draymond Green as one of the few other “polarizing figures” [50:51].

10. Media, Awards, and Relationships

• Feels awards like All-Defensive are subjective, often influenced by media relationships [51:57–52:23].
• Once he became a member of the media, he saw firsthand how easily narratives could build or destroy a player’s reputation, citing LeBron and Ben Simmons as examples [52:29–55:53]:

  "This man is probably one of the most underpaid athletes ever. ... LeBron James, Steph Curry should have made a billion dollars at least in NBA." — Pat Beverley [53:29–54:01] "To see, like, media, to see other people...destroy him time after time...he deserves to be out there, man." — Pat Beverley on LeBron [55:10]

• Talks about the emotional and real impact that negative media can have on athletes' careers and mental health.

11. On Overseas Play and Social Issues

• Honest talk about living in Israel during times of conflict, his faith, and relating his upbringing in Chicago with normalcy amid violence [59:08–64:10].
• Reiterates positive, even “magical,” experience of playing in Israel:

  "In my mind, I'm like, damn, I get to touch the Jesus touch... I get to experience the things that Jesus experienced." — Pat Beverley [61:35]

12. Personal Faith

• Major influence of Christianity in his life; it is foundational:

  “Not even like, the role, like the most important role.” — Beverley on faith [64:32]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On getting traded from the Clippers:

  “Y’ all do respect Errol Frank. Like, you know, he gotta. You ain’t gonna pay me. Like, you trade me.... I put this Clipper brand on my back, I want to be compensated for that, you know, like everyone else...” [15:06–16:30]

• On the emotional playoff win over the Clippers:

  “You see me standing on the scoreboard taking jersey off, and you see me emotional. But if you knew the backstory...now you see why…” [17:44]

• On preparedness as a defender:

  “Being a pro, being a basketball player...I can’t not have those numbers going to battle...” [41:46–42:19]

• On the difference between NBA and WNBA marketing:

  “NBA and WNBA are obviously under the same brand, but those are two differently, like, totally different brands. ...It’s just hard to market. ... Let’s get some purple courts out there. Let’s get some pink courts out there...” [11:35–13:04]

• On youth basketball overtraining:

  “But realistically, I don’t long run. I don’t think it's the, the, the, the best form way to go.” [08:53]

• On success despite adversity:

  “Me paying myself, you know, me paying to play in the NBA in the beginning of my season to a 30 year old again betting on himself...” [18:29]

• On “making your own luck”:

  “I believe you make your own luck because if you, if it's good luck, that means gotta be bad luck ... I don't think it's a motherfucker wake up every day with bad luck on them...” [23:47]

• On the “villain” role:

  “Everywhere I go, I get booed... it's respect. I like it. Damn. I like it.” [50:23–50:35]

• On social media and the media’s destructive power:

  “What I witnessed ... people do to LeBron James. ...It’s almost disturbing...you have to think like, damn. Are underpaid. Like LeBron James, Steph Curry should have made a billion dollars at least in NBA.” [53:29–54:01] "Like, he's [Ben Simmons]...hasn't been the same" — Pat Beverley [55:41]

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Intro & Recent Season Abroad: [00:27–01:40]
• Training, Longevity, and The State of Pro Basketball: [01:40–03:26]
• Big Three & Offseason Moves: [02:55–04:18]
• Injury Discussions & Player Conditioning: [05:07–06:37]
• Youth Basketball, Overplay, & Daughter’s Injury: [06:37–09:41]
• WNBA Production/Marketing Debate: [11:35–13:37]
• Minnesota Years/Emotional Play-in Appearance: [13:43–18:29]
• Trade Stories: [20:37–22:53]
• Playoff What-Ifs, Luck and Injuries: [23:47–24:17]
• Defensive Preparation & Mindset: [27:11–31:15]
• Media, Narratives, & Athlete Well-being: [52:29–56:27]
• Overseas Experience (Israel) & Faith: [59:00–65:04]

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Conclusion

In a raw, animated conversation, Patrick Beverley opens up about the realities behind an NBA journeyman’s career—laying bare the emotional, psychological, business, and spiritual components that fans rarely see. From the complexity of trades and what motivates him as a defender, to navigating the challenges of media narratives and finding joy (and peace) in unexpected places like Israel, Beverley’s authenticity and candor define the episode. This interview is essential listening for anyone interested in the true, unfiltered life of a modern pro athlete.

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Transcript

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[Pat Beverley]

Elimination game playing. Game play the Clippers.

[Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Pat Beverley]

Right. And you see me standing on the scoreboard taking jersey off. And you see me emotional. But if you knew the backstory as, now you know. Now you see why. Right? You see why? You put your blood, sweat and tears into an organization and you want to be compensated for it. You don't get it. Now you play them in a one on one, play in whoever loses, go home type of vibe. Foreign.

[Podcast Host]

Guys, we got Pat Bev here today out in Vegas. Let's go, let's go.

[Pat Beverley]

You still have him again?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, of course, man. We've been talking for a minute, trying to set the show. I know you've been busy overseas.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

How'd the season go this year?

[Pat Beverley]

Season was cool. Played in Tel Aviv this past season. It was a vibe. It was really nice. Minus the obvious, you know, bombs and shit. But other than that, it was. It was beautiful. The country is beautiful. The people are great. Right. I met. I met some. Some really important people to me. I mean, important people. I mean, like some teammates. Some guys I built a lifetime bond with over there.

[Podcast Host]

Nice.

[Pat Beverley]

Won some games, played organic basketball. Can't ask for anything better.

[Podcast Host]

Let's go.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You still feel like you got a lot more left to give to the game?

[Pat Beverley]

A ton of more, right? Really? Yeah, man. I'm still working out. Like, I feel like I'm 25 almost. You know, I do do a good job of taking care of my body, so.

[Podcast Host]

That's impressive.

[Pat Beverley]

Proof is always in a pudding, baby.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. We got good access to technology and health stuff.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, for sure, right? For sure. Yeah. Knock on wood, too.

[Podcast Host]

Yes, sir.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I hope to see you back in the league, man.

[Pat Beverley]

So what about you? How you? I'm living, man.

[Podcast Host]

You work out? Grinding? Yeah, I work out. I hook. I'm in the lifetime men's league.

[Pat Beverley]

Okay. Is it an age group on that or not? Nah. Okay.

[Podcast Host]

You could play if you want.

[Pat Beverley]

I'm cool, I'm cool, I'm cool. I appreciate it, though.

[Podcast Host]

You playing a lot of ones these days?

[Pat Beverley]

What are you doing More. More individual working kind of five on five. Seven.

[Podcast Host]

Five on five.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah. Yeah, Trying to get ready for the season. Trying to get a, you know, stay in shape, be in shape, get in better shape. You know, the better shape you is, the better basketball player.

[Podcast Host]

Absolutely. I'm interested to see what other leagues take off like one on one. Three. Big three is doing well.

[Pat Beverley]

You know, it's just gonna be big, right?

[Podcast Host]

You think so?

[Pat Beverley]

I think so. I think, you know, you think of a basketball player, you know, most Hoopers say they done, but the way the game is, you know, people taking care of their bodies more, you know, guys are playing to, you know, 39, 40, 41 years old. So a lot of Hoopers out there got a lot, you know, left in the, in the tank. So, you know, all these little leagues around here, I think it's good, it's good for the community, it's good for basketball.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, Big Three's been fun to watch this season. Dwight Howard's doing his thing. Yeah, he's shooting threes now.

[Pat Beverley]

It's good. And I think that's gonna, you gotta credit Ice Cube for that. He did a hell of a job. Him and his partners, they kind, they kind of seen a long vision with that and that's kind of, I think the short term goal, you know, people didn't really understand it or respect it, but the long term vision of it and having these players who, you know, each year NBA brings in so many guys and you know, on the other end, there's so many guys that's left out. So just to give these guys a chance to kind of, kind of, you know, stay out there, stay fit, you know, and do what they love to do.

[Podcast Host]

Absolutely. What do you think of the offseason trades so far? Any of them stand out to you?

[Pat Beverley]

What I liked, I was shocked about the, I wasn't shocked about the Bradley bill one. I was, I was surprised that the Clippers were able to attain him though. Right. I think the biggest one for me was that Dame.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Yeah, that was a big one.

[Pat Beverley]

No one's seen wave, right? No one thought a wave. No one thought a wave at all.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Pat Beverley]

So for him to, you know, you get that type of caliber player you talking about, you know, and three point makes, you know, for the last, I don't know, eight, nine years probably. Him and Steph Curry. Yeah. You know, so to get, get a guy like that and a team waves him, you know, we kind of see, you know, he goes back to Portland, right. The, the, the cinematic drama with it, you kind of, you like it, you respect it, you know, you understand it's. A business and man. But we didn't think wave. I tell you that I, I never would have predicted. I never would have thought wave.

[Podcast Host]

It was Achilles though, right?

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Has to be. Because that takes two years to recover.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah. So what does that mean? Like as a. Is it business? Right. So when guys, other athletes and other basketball players make decisions based off money.

[Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Pat Beverley]

Are they wrong for that, you know, or are they just doing what's best for them? You know, you kind of, you look at this situation, obviously he's getting paid a ton of money, right. The next couple years, almost $70 million. But like to waive a guy, you know, what does that do to his, you know, one say is his career. But what does that do to the ego? What does that do to the, you know, the historic chase that you have? Absolutely. You don't hear a lot of superstars being waved. So this is a new territory we in. A lot of teams are scared to go into that second apron, you know, and, you know, this is kind of what you left with.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. What do you think of all the injuries last season? Eight torn Achilles.

[Pat Beverley]

No. Right. The game is different though, right? The game is different. Right. We argue about, right. We guys shoot too many threes, right. And then you see in the playoffs, you know, the okc, they shoot a ton of mid range and people. I don't wanna watch the game. Cause there's a ton of mid range. All right. You know, so you don't, you know, it's kind of hard to kind of like make everyone happy, especially, you know, fans, right. You can't make everyone happy, but it's just a different game, right? I think it, I think you gotta, obviously you kind of look at the game, but you have to look at players also, right? You gotta look at players also. Guys need to get in better shape, right. You understand this, you know that the paces, the up tempo paces, you know, getting faster. Guys are shooting more threes, right. That means a lot up and down. You got to get in, you got to get in shape, right. You got to get your body ready for that, you know, So I kind of look at it both sides. I kind of look at the science of it, obviously. You know, I look at the, you know, science of it. The weight room part, the nutrition part, the rest part, of course, at the same time, you know, guys have to be in shape.

[Podcast Host]

Facts.

[Pat Beverley]

I don't think collectively as a, as a unit, everyone's in shape. You know what I'm saying? That's not Jason Tatum. That's not, you know, but you see these injuries and you see these, you know, lower part of your body injuries happen and happen to happen, you know, So I always deal with, you know, got to get in shape.

[Podcast Host]

I agree. I think that's definitely part of it. What about these younger guys getting injured? Do you think they're playing too much?

[Pat Beverley]

Like who?

[Podcast Host]

When younger, Like Zion Lonzo. Do you think they're playing too much in high school?

[Pat Beverley]

I think aau, right. I didn't. So I didn't play a ton of a. You. Right. And knock on wood, I've never had to deal with acl.

[Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Pat Beverley]

Right. I don't know if that corresponds or goes together, but I remember maybe I played one tournament au, right. So I didn't put a lot of load on the body, but I did have some meniscus issues, like, you know, everyday type of shit. But, you know, I was fortunate. No acl, no anything like that. It's just, it's just tough. Right. You want to as a parent, right? And as a basketball player, right. I have a daughter who plays. She blew up her knee, acl, mcl, everything, Right. Her freshman year, she lands in Chicago for a basketball tournament. That my knee feels kind of, I don't know with my knee, but it feels kind of funny. Okay. Sit out, don't play. But, you know, the next morning you wake up, no, dad, I'm fine. I want to play. I want to play, I want to play. Right. I think it's a battle between, you know, organically wanting to be a basketball player, but at the same time, am I playing too many games? Right. We have this big tournament I have to play in. I have my high school team I have to play in. I have to practice every day. You know, when you in that basketball culture, man or women, it becomes a lifestyle, right? Like, only thing you're doing is basketball, basketball. So I mean, it's a part of it. As a parent, you want, you want to, you know, put your kid in a position where they expose everything, right? They're exposed to different players, they're exposed to different courts, different different cultures, different places, different coaches. Right. You got coaches in the stands now. So as a, as a, as a parent, I want my kid, my daughter to play every game. But realistically, I don't long run. I don't think it's the, the, the, the best form way to go.

[Podcast Host]

Too tough on the body, right?

[Pat Beverley]

I believe so.

[Podcast Host]

Because the body's still developing, still growing.

[Pat Beverley]

I believe so. Right. Yeah, I just believe so. I just think that it's a. It's a lot going on. So in. In this AAU circuit, it's. It's so much, and it's not enough warm up and it's not enough. You know what I'm saying? It's just a lot. They're playing back to back to back, and you, you know, you're on a court and then you go right to the hotel, and you really see some guys warm up before games. If they warm up, they're on the dunk line trying to get crazy. So I think it's a mixture of both.

[Podcast Host]

How important was it to you to have your daughter as a basketball player?

[Pat Beverley]

I didn't know it. I didn't know it. She kind of sneaky, loved it. Really? Yeah. She was huge in soccer. Her name was at Leia Shout out to Addie, and all of a sudden she just liked it. You know, she's. She's 16, so obviously she knows where dad is, right?

[Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Pat Beverley]

But, you know, sneaky, she just. She just fell in love with it and just, dad, I want to work out. I want to work out. I want to work out. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So you weren't pushing it on her?

[Pat Beverley]

I try not to. Yeah, but once. Once it's on. Once it's on, I gotta be dad. I gotta. Yeah, yeah, come on, let's work out, let's work out type shit. So. Yeah, man. I mean, and just how far women's basketball is going now, right? You have to kind of not only respect it, you have to. You have to, you know, you have to invest in it the right way.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Pat Beverley]

I can't teach her like I teach my younger son. Like, it's a different investment. Women, you know, they blow out their knees all the time, you know, so that's norm for them, you know? So, like, you know, I think that was the hardest thing to deal with as a. As a parent, you know, having a daughter blowing out her knee. Like, you know, if it's your son, you smack up here. Hey, stop acting like a bitch. Come on, put some dirt on it. Whatever the fuck is going on. Like, stop crying. Stop being a pussy. Like, come on. You're supposed to go through this with your daughter is very different.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, you can't be as tough.

[Pat Beverley]

You can't. You have to kind of like she crying. Oh, let me cry too. Like, you know, wow. You know, so it hits different. So. Made me a better parent going through it.

[Podcast Host]

I feel that.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah. Real shit, though.

[Podcast Host]

Feel that. Dude, where do you stand on the WNBA debate with lowering the Rims. I saw your reaction.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, low on the rims.

[Podcast Host]

I don't.

[Pat Beverley]

I don't know. I just think. I just think the.

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[Pat Beverley]

I think when you talk to me, I have a different perspective on a lot of things in life. Right. And I think that's, that's, that's what kind of, you know, people kind of respect the voice because that kind of makes. Makes me unique because I don't agree with everything. Right. I think it's a, I don't think it's a product issue. Right. The product is there. The players are there. Right. The athleticism is there. It's got girls that can dunk. We got girls that can shoot it 30, 40ft. Right. So the product is there. I don't think the production is there. Right. I don't, I don't think you can use the same matrix and with the NBA. NBA and WNBA are obviously under the same brand, but those are two differently, like, totally different brands. Yeah, right. You can't market WNBA as you would market NBA. You know, like, it's a, it's, it's, it's, it's just hard to market. Maybe, you know, when we do the in season game, the in season tournament, NBA and you had these different courts. Maybe we address that with wnba. Let's get some purple courts out there. Let's get some pink courts out there, right? Let's, let's do some more funky stuff. Like, let's have games, I don't know let's have a game. Let's have a game in, in London, you know, Rest in peace to Queen. You know what I'm saying? Just, I just think it's, it's more of a production issue. I think if, if, if, if, if, if, if. I don't know who's behind scenes, but I don't know, people can, Yeah, I don't know, sale the WNBA in a different brand. I think it'd be, I think it'd be much better. Yeah, right. You can't, you can't lower rims.

[Podcast Host]

You don't think so?

[Pat Beverley]

I don't think people would take it serious anymore. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't lower rims. I just think it's a different production. You just have to market it a totally different way than any other thing because it's very different. But it's growing, right? It's getting huge. As you see more girls at these camps, you see more girls that can, you know, I've seen a girl on YouTube 2 hand dunking. I can't even two hand dunk right now. Really, you know, type. Yeah, I'm a little rim Grace, about 37 years old, you know what I'm saying? But the game is getting so big that you have to just find a way. It's hard to market wnba. You just got to find creative ways to try to market them.

[Podcast Host]

I got a fun question for you. I think I know your answer. Your favorite NBA season.

[Pat Beverley]

My favorite NBA season.

[Podcast Host]

What was your favorite team to play on?

[Pat Beverley]

Favorite team to play on? Minnesota.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, I thought you're gonna say Houston.

[Pat Beverley]

Nah.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Minnesota.

[Pat Beverley]

Wow. Yeah, I went to Minnesota on a, on like a. I think we just. First time that the Clippers ever went to the Western Conference finals. Right. I'm coming off that season, you know, play solid in that, you know, Utah series. Played, you know, once, you know, won some games at Utah series. And I mean, won some games like hit some big shots, got some stops, you know, Made it really hard for Devin Booker. Right? Made it made it extremely hard for Devin Booker that following series. And it's the first time the Clippers ever got to the Western Conference finals. So obviously, like any basketball player after the season's over, I'm rubbing my hands like I'm Birdman. I'm thinking, oh shit, I'm about to get paid. Right? And I go in, I ask for extension and you know, the number wasn't obviously any. Anything close to, you know, what I felt like I deserved. Right. Especially the time I was there, right? The. The. You know, you. You talk about blood, sweat and tears. You know, a team that's, you know, first time ever going to Western Conference, you know what I'm saying? So I'm thinking in my head, like, you gotta take care of that. That type of group, you know, that's. That's brought you to places that you've never been. So, long story short, don't, you know, can't come to agreement with extension. And you know, me, I'm at a round table. Me, my agent, shout out to L. Frank Errol Frank, gm, President of the Clippers at the time. And I'm like, y' all do respect Errol Frank. Like, you know, he gotta. You ain't gonna pay me. Like, you trade me. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel you. I understand the business of it. You feel my. I played 40 games this year. You know, it's. You know, my knee swells up here and there. But, like, I put time in this. I put. I put. You know, I put this Clipper brand on my back. Like, you know, I want to be compensated for that, you know, like everyone else is who wasn't here before, right? The Kawhis, the pgs, they all getting taken care of. I was here before all of them. I'm, you know. You know, I'm in line like, okay, I gotta be next, right? So it doesn't go down, right? It doesn't go down. And I get traded, right? And I get traded to Memphis. And now I'm like, okay, I don't know what's going on in Memphis. I don't know a lot of people in Memphis. I don't even know that. You know, I'm talking to the gm, and the GM was like, yeah, you know, we're gonna bring you to camp. And I'm like, bring me to camp, motherfucker. I'm the motherfucker sitting next to John Moran. What do you mean? I'm playing with John Moran. What do you mean, bring you to camp? Like, type shit. Memphis mates away. I go to Minnesota. I go to Minnesota with, you know, some of the people that. That kind of scouted me and brought me from overseas to the Rockets. They were kind of that, you know, an assistant coach for the Houston Rockets. Coach Finch, he was the head coach. Now Garrison, who, you know, kind of saw me playing in Greece, you know, when I was overseas. He's the GM now. A Rod Mark Lord. New. New ownerships. It's great, right? I'm in Minnesota. I get a Chance to be on the car. Anthony Towns, dlo, Anthony Edwards, you know, and a team that's, I think won 16, maybe 16, 18 games the year before. I think we find, I think, you know, you add all the games up, I think we won 50, 52 games that year, right? I got people in my corner like, bro, what the fuck? Are you going to Minnesota? Like, people go there to die. You know, you go there in Minnesota, you're retired the next season. I'm like, nah, we going to playoffs. And motherfuckers like, playoff. Have you lost your damn mind? This Minnesota, bro. No, they're not going to playoffs, you know, and I was able to kind of, I wouldn't say change the culture, but I, I was able to give the locker room a winning spirit. And there's no surprise where, you know, why they're in a position there now, you know, weren't going to Minnesota. It just wasn't, you know, so I think that was my funnest year. And then, you know, I, you know, I say that to say elimination game playing game. You play the Clippers.

[Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Pat Beverley]

Right? And you know, you see me standing on the scoreboard taking jersey off, and you see me emotional. But if you knew the backstory as now, you know, now you see why, right? You see why. You put your blood, sweat and tears into an organization and you want to be compensated for and you don't get it. Now, you play them in a one on one, you know, play in whoever loses, go home type of vibe.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, hell yeah, that makes sense now.

[Pat Beverley]

You know what I'm saying? Like, hell yeah, I'm emotional. Hell yeah, I feel some type of way, hell yeah, I want to win. Hell yeah, we beat y'. All. Hell yeah, fuck y'. All. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a, it's a ton of emotions that's going on, you know, throughout the, throughout the game, right? It's the game and then it's the game inside the game, and it's another game inside that, that I'm all playing at the same time. So, you know, and then to get compensated, I think, you know, in the middle of the season, I signed for $13 million.

[Podcast Host]

Nice.

[Pat Beverley]

You know, so I bet on myself and again, right? I bet on myself not only once, right? Me paying myself, you know, me paying to. To play in the NBA in the beginning of my season to a 30 year old again betting on himself like, nah, I ain't gonna take that. I'm a, you know, yeah, I'm 33, I'm this. But I, I work hard. It's gonna pay off. And it did.

[Podcast Host]

So, yeah, you crushed it that season. You were the vet on that team.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, it felt good too. It felt good. I felt like my team, you know, like, it felt, it felt like the makeup was, you know, you know, all my team. Obviously Coach Finch is great. His coaching staff is great, but, you know, it's no surprise where they're, you know, while we started that and you know, ever since then, they've been in the Western Conference finals. Western Conference finals.

[Podcast Host]

How did that team break up? Like cat left. You left, right?

[Pat Beverley]

Right. So new ownership came in. Yeah, I think the ownership from, from Denver came in. He kind of wanted to bring his guys, you know, I think they, I think they made the Rudy Gobert trade where it was Rudy Gobert for me, Vanderbilt, Van Do, Malik, Beasley, a ton of picks.

[Podcast Host]

Was that unexpected trade? Did you know?

[Pat Beverley]

Unexpected? Damn. I'm talking about. I'm. I'm thinking, okay, year two, you feel me? We just played Memphis. We just took him in six games. Like, okay, I get traded on a day. I'm at the gym, five o' clock in the morning.

[Podcast Host]

Damn.

[Pat Beverley]

Right. It's the first. I think it's the first practice for summer league. So I'm not even supposed to be there as a veteran, but I'm like, fuck that. I'm setting the tone. It's my team. I'm be there the first day, right? I'm at the press conference when we getting a new GM, right? So I'm there, I'm there 5 o' clock in the morning. I get a crazy workout in what time I'm done. Guys are just walking into the gym, you feel me? I go, I think I go to one of the lakes, catch vibe, get some, get some lunch. Looking at the water. And I'm about to, you know, I'm in negotiations or where I'm gonna give me a house at, and I get a call like, yo, I think you've been traded. I'm like, trade it. Like, trade it where? He's like, man, I don't know how this go end up, but it sounds like they traded you to Utah. I'm like, utah? What the fuck I'm supposed to do in Utah, right? So that came all about. And that's how I went from Utah to the Lakers. So, damn.

[Podcast Host]

Out of your seven trades, did you know about any of them in advance or were they all unexpected?

[Pat Beverley]

So obviously the Clipper one I knew, right? The Houston Rocket one I knew, right? The Philly one, I didn't. The Laker one. I knew. So most of them. All I knew. Would probably. Except one. Okay.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, that's pretty good. I feel like usually they're unexpected.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, I knew all of them, except. Yeah. Except the Philly one. I get on the bus. Trade deadline. Darryl Mori on the bus. He traveling with the team and, you know, GM started traveling with the team in January and February. All muffler, about to get traded.

[Podcast Host]

Oh. That's how.

[Pat Beverley]

You know that's one plus one is two. Ain't been here all year. You on the bus. Okay, say less. So me and dear Mora, obviously, we have a great relationship from. And shout out to dear Mora, too. Right? That's my guy, right? He. When I say my guy, like my guy, like he. You know, he was. He helped change my life. He helped. He scouted me. Him and his coaching staff scouted me from overseas and got me to the NBA. 12 years in the NBA. So I can never say anything bad about Derry Moore regardless. Right. But the relationship we have is. I get on a bus and I'm like, oh, D. Mora. What's up, baby? What's going on? Hey, man, come on, man. I need to know, man. I'm getting traded. He Pat you? Hell, no, I'm not trading you, Pat. I'm like, all right, yeah, okay, cool. You know, we make fun of it on the bus. I did. For real. Don't have me traded, man. For real. I just asked you. No, no, no. But, Pat, I'm not trading you. We talking about some other shit. And then I'm playing well. I think Joel's hurt at the time. Maxie's hurt at the time, but I'm playing well. And my homie like, hey, bro, you nervous? I'm like, nah. Like, I just talked to him. Bro, you playing too well. Bro, you playing too well. You might be traded. Next morning, I get up, traded. I Damn.

[Podcast Host]

Damn.

[Pat Beverley]

But I'm traded to the Bucks. Not bad. Not bad, not bad. I get to play for Doc Rivers again, right? So not bad. You know, Bucks kind of banged up. I think we lose Giannis the game before last of the season. Dame is kind of banged up a little bit, you know, playing the playoffs against Indy. I think me and Dame Lillard have the same amount of wins in the playoffs, you know, and he'd been there, you know, as long as he'd been there, and I've been there for, you know, half a season. So, you know, my Bucks was cool, was good.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. That team, if they were healthy you guys. I think you guys could have won it.

[Pat Beverley]

One, two.

[Podcast Host]

That's the one you think about the most.

[Pat Beverley]

That one. And the Dwight Howard and the bubble one.

[Podcast Host]

So Howard.

[Pat Beverley]

I felt when we, when we had Dwight Howard with the Rockets.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, on the Rockets.

[Pat Beverley]

I think Dame Lynn was. I think Dame Lunner hit the, Hit the shot at the buzzer.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Pat Beverley]

I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that team, I believe, could have won a championship. Damn. The bubble team that, you know, they season stopped, you know, so you think.

[Podcast Host]

You could have beat the Lakers out here in the bubble.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, we were, we were tearing the Lakers up all year that year. Damn. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, like, we lost on that and I think that, that, that Bucks. That Bucks team.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Giannis, Dame and you.

[Pat Beverley]

And Chris. Chris Mettles.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat Beverley]

Chris. Bobby Porters still there. Pat Connaughton's still there. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You had a squad.

[Pat Beverley]

Squad, like really good team.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, that. It makes you wonder like, what percentage of. Of the game is luck in the playoffs? You know what I mean?

[Pat Beverley]

And it's hard for me because I don't. I'm not the guy that believes in luck.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, really?

[Pat Beverley]

Right. I believe you make your own luck because if you, if it's good luck, that means gotta be bad luck. I don't think it's a motherfucker wake up every day with bad luck on them, you know, so, like, it's kind of hard for me to, you know, to understand a good luck, bad luck thing. But I believe you make your own luck.

[Podcast Host]

I feel that. Yeah. I guess when I say luck, I mean, like, who stays healthy.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You know what I mean?

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

It was like if everyone's roster stayed healthy.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, that'd be lucky.

[Podcast Host]

I don't know. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I guess it could be good luck. Right. No, you're right.

[Pat Beverley]

That's how I look at it. Like. Or if they don't say lucky. I mean, if they don't stay healthy with their. They bad luck.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Pat Beverley]

Get a whole new group in here, chat type shit. I mean, that's how I look at it.

[Podcast Host]

No, it makes sense.

[Pat Beverley]

That's just me, though.

[Podcast Host]

Damn. Do you ever, like, have those what if moments? Do you even think about the past?

[Pat Beverley]

You do, of course, right? I mean, as, as humans. Right. You. You go through that about every day. Well, what if I. Instead of two days, what if I would have did three days?

[Podcast Host]

Three days, you know what I'm saying?

[Pat Beverley]

Instead of, instead of, you know. You know, instead of the contractor Sanction. What if I wait till the summer? Right? I think us as humans, I think we do that organically, always see what we could have did better in the past instead of, you know, look down at my feet, 10 toes on the ground, let me stay present, right? Cause ain't nothing behind me. Right, right.

[Podcast Host]

So do you feel like you had good guidance in your earlier years?

[Pat Beverley]

Uh, I think that. I think I kind of made. I think I kind of, like, made shit happen right around me that I didn't kind of know what was happening. Right after my first year, I think I come in, I get first team, all defensive. The next year, following year, I think I, you know, I get skills. I win the skills competition, right? So there's a lot of stuff that, you know. You know, a lot of people might say, damn, like, you know, he got lucky. And me, I'm like, hell, no. I've been working on this so hard. Should I paid my way to get to the NBA. Like, I don't, you know, still countless and in the gym still at this age, you know, like, sacrificing, like, time away from my family, sacrificing time away from my friends to like, okay, let me put in this joy. Let me put in this work, right? Let me put in this work. Let me clock in, let me clock in. Let me clock in. Okay, he going two days. Fuck it. Let me go three days today. Like, okay, cool. A lot of guys are working on their shot. Let me work on my defensive shuffles. Like, how can I become the best version of myself on a basketball court? Okay, cool. I had an injury. Okay, cool. Brush that off. Small things to a giant, you know what I'm saying? Gotta take the punches with it, gotta come back stronger. And oh, shit. I seen Westbrook with his tank top on one time in Las Vegas. Fuck, I gotta get in the weight room. Fuck that. I need to put on five more pounds. Like, fuck that. I'm too little. Like, nah, he ain't gonna be doing this. Carry the baby on me this season. You feel me? Like, it's so much shit that goes throughout my head. And trying to like, okay, obviously I wasn't lottery. Well, I'm second round pick, but, you know, my career is 12 years. I've been doing this shit. 18 years, you know what I'm saying? So, like, I'm steady trying to find ways to like, chisel it out. And I'm not saying, like, chisel my body out, but chisel, like the whole format of working hard and being detailed and taking care of Your body and stretching and nutrition. Like, I'm trying to find ways each summer, like no matter how old I get, find ways to get better. To get better. And I think that's the key.

[Podcast Host]

I love that.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, I love that. I think that's the key, bro.

[Podcast Host]

It is, yeah. Who did you study defensively? Who. Who gave you the most inspiration defensively?

[Pat Beverley]

My inspiration. It wasn't the inspiration defensively. I was, I was so talented offensively right early in my career. That.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. 37 a game in high school.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, right. That I kind of like, I kind of knew moves that. Okay, if a guy's left handed, I mean, if a guy's right handed, I'm right handed. I like to shoot the step back going left. I mean, I just literally took what I like to do as a scorer coming up and I just. Okay, how would you defend yourself, Pat? Okay, cool. The scorers don't really like when you get in their handle. Okay, cool. I play Paul George. I'm gonna pick his ass up 94ft, right? Scorers like when you back off of them and they feel rhythm and they can dribble the ball. So what? You know what I'm gonna make? I'm gonna make a hell. I'm it. I'm gonna pick his ass up 94ft. I'm a foul his ass early. Let be physical as. Let him know I'm here. Okay, cool. You, you got a fast. Okay. Who can't shoot. Okay, I'm gonna give him space and I'm. I'm gonna come shoot to shoot that motherfucker. You trash ass motherfucker. Like, I'm trying to get in his head mentally. Like things that I wouldn't like, right? Things that I wouldn't like. Let me do that to everybody, right? Obviously. Okay. I guard bigger defenders. Okay, That's a. That, that, that, that, that helps me, right? I have a 7172 wingspan. Okay, cool. A lot of people don't know that, so that helps me. Like I'm let my lateral quickness is, you know, it's different than taller guys. So. Okay, cool. I'm ground guarding Katie. Yeah, it's going to be tough as hell. Yeah, he go post me up, but like if he get that motherfucker outside the three, I think I got a chance, you know what I'm saying? Oh, okay. Here's my weight room now. Okay, cool. I gotta chase Steph around. Like, fuck that. Let me just body check Steph, you know what I'm saying? Okay, I gotta chase dame around. Okay, cool. Let me pick his ass up. Like, it's just. It became very, like, I kind of found the rhythm of, okay, which player didn't like which things. And, you know, no matter. And it was. It'd be guards. Like, it'll be guards like Evan Fournier who will give me my most problems. I can't guard this, obviously. Luca, you know, 6, 9, 2, 22, 30 at the time, right. Gave me issues. But other than that, it's not really a guy that I can go off my hand and be like, yo, he's just busting my ass, probably. I named Luca. But besides that, no. Really? Nobody?

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy.

[Pat Beverley]

No, I'm not. Not. And I'm not saying that to like, to my own horn. I'm just saying that to like, like, you know, it's guys that I went to sleep early with, and there's guys that I, you know, stayed up playing a video game against that I feel confident about.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Pat Beverley]

So, like, I just came with it.

[Podcast Host]

So when you see these people say certain players are unguardable.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah. Do you believe that my mindset is different? I believe, I believe. You can. I believe everyone's guardable, right. If I gave you a ball and told you you can do whatever you want with it and plays you 36 minutes, you'll start doing shit you didn't even know you can do, right? So it's different, right? Guarding a role player, guarding a superstar, two totally different things, right? Role player can make a ton of mistakes, Kick the ball off his leg, missed a ton of shots. It's a bad night. I just had a bad night, right? Whether it's me playing defense on him or whoever, Right?

[Podcast Host]

You don't get the credit for that.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, it's a bad night. You feel me? Right? But I play a superstar, I contest everything he makes all off the backboard shots. Oh, he cooks you? No, motherfucker. He ain't cooked me, motherfucker. He just made some tough ass shots, right? You know what I'm saying? So I look at it like that, and a lot of people don't look at it the way I look, look at it, you know? And I, you know, I. When it's your life, you kind of like, you know, you take it on the chin. Yep. Right? How. How am I to say, you know, this guy is the best guy ever, like, or how can I say this guy's unguardable, I gotta guard him next year, right? You know? Know what type of confidence that gives a guy? Okay. Yeah, Pat. Yeah. He said you unguardable okay, cool. Yeah. He can't guard me. Like. No, I'm not. I'm not giving anybody anything they can use against me. All you motherfuckers is trash. I can lock up any one of you motherfuckers who. Who you want me to guard next, Coach? And I think that was my mindset.

[Podcast Host]

I love that.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You always crush the mental side of the game.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Like the talking and getting in people's head.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah. But you know what? People allow me to get in their heads, right? I. I guard a guy, right? I guard a guy and I. You know, Rev calls something. He passed the ball, and I kind of push off, push him a little bit just to see a reaction. Sometimes I have gaslight my arm. Sometimes guys won't. But the guys that don't know, okay, yeah, I got his ass you take advantage of.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, cool.

[Pat Beverley]

And the guys that slap my arm out, okay, Even better. I got his ass.

[Podcast Host]

Really.

[Pat Beverley]

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's a game within a. In a game. Like, I'm playing so many games out there on the basketball court that, you know, by the time we finish with a game, especially in the playoffs, right? In the regular season is tough, but in the playoffs, when I'm keyed in on a matchup and I have to guard a guy like I. You have to. With these guys, you have to. These guys are. They're too tall, right? I'm guarding Kevin Durant in the Golden State series, right? My. Off. My. My, my. Okay? My. My, my. That's my primary person I have to guard. My secondary guy I have to guard is Steph Curry, and the third guy I have to guard is Draymond Green in the post.

[Podcast Host]

So.

[Pat Beverley]

Right. I'm trying to find ways, right? What. What may work with Steph Curry, might not work with Kevin Durant. You know what I'm saying? So, like, you just gotta find ways, right? You gotta find ways not to be a. I call it a cone, right? Someone who can't guard, right? You gotta find ways not to be that. You gotta find ways to, you know, implement, you know, your offense into the game as well and at the same time try to get stops. It's tough.

[Podcast Host]

Tough it is. Was that Golden State team the best team you've ever played against?

[Pat Beverley]

Best team I. No, really.

[Podcast Host]

The 73. Nine Golden State Warriors.

[Pat Beverley]

Best team I played against in the playoffs.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I guess playoffs, that's the most important, right?

[Pat Beverley]

No, I gotta put that Indiana team up there. Damn.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Pat Beverley]

They're so fucking physical, bro. Wow. Yeah, they're physical. And I'm not trying to discredit, like, Steph and them, but they had Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, KD, Andre Guadala, Sean Livingston, Bogut, DeMarcus. Cuz it's like, right, right. You expect to, you know, you don't expect to, you know, win at Oracle twice. You expect you to afc, you're starting two rookies, you expect to be swept. You know what I'm saying? So when it comes to, like, teams that I played in the playoffs, that's like, man, I look back on that was hard as fuck. That I'm like, every night I went home like, bro, damn, they wearing us out. You look at Indiana, every time they play a motherfucker, the opposing team, somebody get hurt.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Was that Paul George's team?

[Pat Beverley]

No, that was Halliburton. Oh, that was the year before last when I was with the Bucs.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, got it.

[Pat Beverley]

That might have been one of the hardest teams I played. Damn. I'm talking about pace, I'm talking about physicality. Pick you up 94ft. Those guards, Nemhardt fucking guarded right. Matheran guarding Tyler's. Halliburton is a handful, right? So for me at that time, I think that might have been the toughest team we played. And I've played, I face in the playoffs. Damn.

[Podcast Host]

I slept on them this playoffs, man, because they were the sixth seed. So I ruled them out in the first round, you know, Bro, you saw.

[Pat Beverley]

Them going all the way, I think. I mean, I seen the last. Last season like I seen the last season. Ain't nobody's just, you know, like, you have some teams that's just. They impose their will on everybody. Every team that plays them besides like okc. Every team, like, they hurt a guy. And I don't mean like dive. That a guy knees and a guy got injured. I mean, like, guys just broke down. They literally couldn't like handle all of it. Couldn't handle 94ft all the time. You couldn't handle the pace they play with. Like, you just. Your body just broke down. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, that might have been the toughest. You gotta give Indiana a lot of credit. I do.

[Podcast Host]

So you think if Halle Burn stayed healthy, they would have had a shot to win that?

[Pat Beverley]

I wouldn't say a shot. I. I don't know about a shot. Right. But anything can happening in game seven. Yeah, he started off hitting threes like that. Anything can happen in the game seven. Anything like, anything can happen so I'll leave it at that. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You think SGA is the best in the league right now?

[Pat Beverley]

Best in the league. I think he's. I think he's one of the best in the league. Yes. Yes, I believe that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Pat Beverley]

No, I believe that. One of the best players in the league. I give him that.

[Podcast Host]

Have you guarded him yet?

[Pat Beverley]

He was my rookie.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, okay. So you saw him come up.

[Pat Beverley]

He's my rookie with the Clippers. He was the team when we played Steph Curry and Kevin.

[Podcast Host]

Damn, that's crazy.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah. So, like, he was. He been doing this shit for a.

[Podcast Host]

Long time, even rookie year. He was nice.

[Pat Beverley]

He was. Yeah, he was cooking. He was cooking Golden. No one can guard him on Golden State. He was cooking everyone in practice.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap. His rookie year.

[Pat Beverley]

Rookie year, I looked at Lou, Lou Will. Shout out to Lou Will. I look at Lou Will. I'm like, bro, is it me or this cold, bro? Yeah. I don't know, Pat. Like, it looked funny, like. Yeah, it looked funny, like. But this shit working, like. And it was all off. He didn't know the NBA game. It was. That was just. At the time, that was just all organic hoops. I'm talking about like, somebody cut him off. You go by. I think we play in Orlando, bro. I think somebody cut him off. You go behind the back, reverse lay like, we looking like, ain't nobody doing that shit. Like, he's doing that his rookie year. Damn right. So it didn't. Like, his success didn't surprise me. Like, I was the guy that was telling him, like, hey, man, you know how big you can be in this league? And he's like, no. You know, he talks so proper. Like, he's so.

[Podcast Host]

He's.

[Pat Beverley]

He's such a great guy, too. He talks so proper, and he's so great. Like, no, what do you mean? I'm like, you know, Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant is like, yeah, I can be good. But then you look back on it, you got to put him up there close. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

If he gets a few more, he's up there.

[Pat Beverley]

He's up there. You got to. Yeah, right?

[Podcast Host]

This.

[Pat Beverley]

This season might have been the best basketball season a player's ever had.

[Podcast Host]

His stats were nuts.

[Pat Beverley]

Crazy. Yeah, right. Crazy. And. And he's been doing it right. He obviously. People clown about being a foul merchant, but, you know, whenever the temp seed. And he was going to free throw line 10 times a game when nobody said nothing. You know what I'm saying? So he go, one season. You go eight times a game now you're the foul merchant. It's wild how, how things change.

[Podcast Host]

You've seen it before with Harden.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, I mean, I've seen it. Jh, right. I seen Beard change the game two, three times.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. They had to make new rules, right? New rules.

[Pat Beverley]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

What'd you think of that rule?

[Pat Beverley]

Which one?

[Podcast Host]

When you're shooting, you can kind of jump into them and.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, I mean, it. It was so much that they were trying to do with like. Like we had a referees, you know, me, you know, meeting before, you know, the season started and there was so many teams complaining about, damn, how that's not a foul and he's grabbing me. And they had to take that out. You know, that's when he was, you know, guys were kind of hooking them off three point shots. You just take it and if three point free throws and they took that out, right. Called everything on the floor. Then they added the sweep through because he used to pick the ball up at the free throw line. Everyone used to reach in. He used to sweep up and change that and put that on. Yeah, it was wild what they did to him.

[Podcast Host]

Crazy. They nerfed him.

[Pat Beverley]

Nerfed him. Nerfed him and took all his powers away. He's still getting it done.

[Podcast Host]

He's still getting it done. But he was scoring what, 35 a game before.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, it was, it was a. It was very different.

[Podcast Host]

Nuts.

[Pat Beverley]

Nuts. And like. And to me, I think that Harden was, you know, like, I don't think that Harden gets enough credit. Like, the team that he was leading in, me, Jaylen Chandler, Parsons, Amira Sheik, like, he was doing some wild.

[Podcast Host]

You guys almost beat Golden State for real. The semis, you were up 3, 2.

[Pat Beverley]

Right, 50, 50 point triple doubles, right? Walk down 3, 1 lead. The LA Clippers, he walk them down by itself, like probably, arguably probably one of the best ISO players to ever play the game.

[Podcast Host]

I was just gonna ask, is he the best one on one player you've ever seen?

[Pat Beverley]

He up there, right? And he don't. And Beard is funny because beard don't play a lot of wands.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Pat Beverley]

I never seen Beard play a ton of wands.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Pat Beverley]

Right? I'd seen him like work on his moves, right. But I've never seen him play a ton of wands. Right. And the guys I look at as one on one is like, him, right? I look at Kawhi guys that I've actually like, play within my career, like, yeah, those have to be some of the best guys. When you talk, talk about one. Shay, right Those are some of the guys that kind of stand out to me.

[Podcast Host]

Mellow.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah. I never played with mellow. Yeah. I'm just talking about guys that I suited up with and I watched them prepare. Yeah. You know, so, like, that beard doing, like, you had a little taste of it this past season with the Clippers, and that's why I really had them going far with him and him and Kawhi Leonard. But injuries, right? Yeah, injuries. Right. Man.

[Podcast Host]

You cool with Chris Paul, or are you? You guys beefing still?

[Pat Beverley]

No, it's never been a beef. Right. I mean, you know, you, you, you, you, you point God, obviously it's a throne that everyone wants to get now. It's like if you, LeBron James, you're the king, Everyone wants to dethrone the king. Everybody at that position, point God, you know, feels some type of way. But it's never like any crazy animosity where, if I was to see Chris Paul on the street, I wouldn't speak respect. No. Like, it ain't that. It ain't that deep.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Pat Beverley]

You know, it ain't that deep. You know what I'm saying? What he's done with the game of basketball and still doing right. I don't think he gets a lot of credit when you talk about longevity, a guy that, you know, played in a ton of games last season. Right. Still playing right now, I think, 20 years plus.

[Podcast Host]

Crazy.

[Pat Beverley]

Right? So you have to give him a lot of credit, what he've done with, you know, him and his career, obviously. And I'm arguing. I'm arguing with an older CP right at the time. So, you know, that's always fun. But, no, it's never like a beef where, you know, I see him and I don't speak. He's done too much for the game of basketball for it to be like that deep.

[Podcast Host]

Respect.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Were you just trying to get in his head, like, trying to break him?

[Pat Beverley]

No, no. Chris just cp. Cp, just different. He different man. Cp. He flirted in between the lines of playing the game the right way and playing the game, I hear right a lot. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? And, like, you know, a lot of people, I respect it. You feel me? I respect it. You know, I respect it. But when I do it, for some reason, I get caught.

[Podcast Host]

I was just getting an ass.

[Pat Beverley]

When he does it, he don't get caught. You know what I'm saying? So, like, you know, I ain't purposely never try to injure nobody. Right. You know what I'M saying, but everybody just got different strokes, different folks.

[Podcast Host]

Do you have a line with. With when it comes to trash talk, like, stuff you won't talk about.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah. I ain't gonna go into Ultimate District. Like, I done heard guys talk about people, family members and like that. I'm like, nah, that's too deep. Yeah, right. I'm the guy that's. I'm. I'm going strictly off numbers. Oh, man, you shot 30 last year. You're shooting 32%. Your ass can't shoot.

[Podcast Host]

I love that you memorize their stats.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, I have to.

[Podcast Host]

I love it.

[Pat Beverley]

Right? I have to, bro. Like, I have my. My trainer Aaron from Elite Basketball shout out to a money. I mean, we got. He gave me a lineup of stats, a percentage this last four or five games. Last three games of gas every night before I play them. I'm locked in. This is. I'm. I'm a pro. This is what come with it. Like, I can't not have those numbers going to battle and a. Hit me with a tween. Tween. Step back. Going out out his left hand. When I own the sheet, it says anything he shoots is coming off his left hand. Right. I got to be prepared for that, you know, And I gotta. You know, you pay people to give me that information too.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Pat Beverley]

I'm saying, so like being a pro, being a basketball player, I know a lot of people think that, you know, we just suit up and make a ton of money. We just suit up and go play. But it's a lot more other. Like, I'm talking about detail. Like, okay, cool, man. 80 of the shots coming out his left hand. Okay, cool. That means damn. Anytime you shoot, I'm just sit on the left hand, make him go right. Okay, cool. But if you go right, he going all the way up to the rim. Okay, cool. Let me let my big know, hey, I'm a force him right into you. I'm a box out your guy. When you contest, somebody else will get the rebound. You know, just trying to. Cause it's hard, man. It's hard guarding these guys every night. You have to. You have to do your work. You have to be diligent in getting your work done and knowing your assignment every night. Just like a motherfucker who's in the fucking Marines, right? You got to learn. I go into this motherfucking house, I know this guy got my back. I know I got to check this. I got to sight this wall to the left. I know the guy behind me got to sight this Wall to the right. And I got to trust he go do his fucking job. You know what I'm saying? But I need to know, like all the details, okay? Is, can the bullets go through this wall? Can I, Can I kick the door in? Can. Is there someone that can go through a window? Right? So, like, I look at the same way, and that's my comparison. I want to be prepared when it's for the battle of war, because I don't want to get my head knocked the fuck off.

[Podcast Host]

Damn.

[Pat Beverley]

I don't want to get a motherfucker give me. Say they gave me 31. Motherfucking give you 30. It's a rap. They go, keep giving you 30. That's just how it is for me.

[Podcast Host]

I didn't know that much went into this.

[Pat Beverley]

I mean, for me it is. I mean, for me it is. And it's different with every player. I've been around a lot of players, and most players don't think or behave the way I do. For me it is right? For me it's, motherfucker, get to the NBA as a kid or you're a failure. So with that mindset, I have to continue, continue, continue to think outside the box. To find different methods to motivate myself, to find different ways to be older now, but still able to hang with the young guys. I gotta find different ways.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, the guys are young now, right?

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah. Shit's crazy.

[Podcast Host]

The average age on a team is probably what, 20, 25, 26.

[Pat Beverley]

26.

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy.

[Pat Beverley]

All right, I'm 37, right? So that's 10, 11 years. So I gotta find ways to. Okay, cool. Let me do some mobility instead of lifting all these big ass weights, you know, Let me move. Let me. Go ahead. Let me take a Pilates class a little bit. Let me see what this do, right? So I gotta find ways to kind of check box to stay because the game changes, right? I gotta stay with the game. Whatever the game presents, I gotta stay with it. Are we shooting threes this season? Okay, let me get my ass in the gym and shoot threes, stay in shape, you know, so everything just. Just different strokes, bro. Just different strokes.

[Podcast Host]

You think it's going to keep heading towards more and more threes?

[Pat Beverley]

Ah, until you get a somebody like Shaquille o', Neal, right? Like everything, the game is a revolving door. It repeats itself, right? It was a time back in the day, you know, shooting a ton of jump shots, right? It's going to be a time where it's going to be a big motherfucker that come in like Shaq, and they just go be dominant. And there's gonna be every team looking for Shaquille o' Neal guy. But now we're in a time where, you know, three and D guys. But now we're in a time where it's, you know, guys between 65 and 68 who can dribble, who can shoot the three long. Wiry, athletic, can guard multiple positions, good with the ball, good with playmaking, good in pick and roll, right? So when you hear Kevin Durant make statements of. And it's hard for, you know, guys six two and under, this is why, you know, right. The game is evolving so, so, so much and so fast that you got these bigger guys with the ball all the time. And now these coaches. What coach doesn't like size, right? You can tell a coach, hey, I give you six, five, six, six guard. I'll give you a six one, six two guard. Coach. Go say six five, six, six in the dough. Yep. Right. Right. So that's where it's leaning to, right? That doesn't mean it's not opportunities out there for six one guys. Because I'm six one. I'm in, in my mindset, living hell for anyone. I had to guard to a point where you don't like me, right? Not something I said. Not. Because I only started talking at the end of my career, right?

[Podcast Host]

Oh, really?

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah. I only started really popping my. Towards the end of my career. But it's guys that didn't like me since day one. And I've been the same guy, right? I've been the same every day. So I just think with these, with this new generation, they're all competing against each other. Iron sharpens iron, right? You, you, you, you, you get guys who, right, get drafted two, three years within each other, but they know each other. Damn. They're best friends, right? Right. The brothers play as plays against each other. The, you know, they've been playing one on one since they were 14, you know, and you do that so much. You. You organically become so much better than the next generation, you know, because when I grew up, it was, I ain't working out with him, and I don't like that guy, you know, was that now these guys is not even. Everyone's cool. Everyone's cool. Everyone's working out with each other. Iron sharpens iron. They're taking a game in there. They're. They're elevating it all because there is so much competition. They're playing against each other so much like they Know each other games like, wow. And you have to respect.

[Podcast Host]

That's an interesting take because you hear people say the opposite where it's like, it's too friendly now, they don't compete as hard. But you're saying it's a good thing.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, friend, I, I believe when, when it, it's friendly, right? When it, when it competing, you know, you, some guys might not take it, you know, serious, but you get better, right? You got a homie, he going to 12th pick last season. You can enter in the draft the next year. Only thing y' all been doing is playing ones. That's your homie. You see him every summer, you go organ, you go get better, like, regardless. Like, if you're around him, you're gonna get better, right? And if he's around you, you go keep pushing him to get better. Next thing you know, both of you motherfuckers get nice. You know what I'm saying? So you see the J Dubs, right? You see the Shay Gildrich. Like you look at J Dub and Shay, they play very similar, right? Yeah, they play really similar, right? You look at the, right, the, these other play making guys, everyone game is kind of similar. Like everyone is 6, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, right? Everyone can put the ball in. Brandon Miller, right? What's the difference between him and J Dub? Maybe he shoots us a little better from the three. Other than that, what? Right? So Ben Mather and what's, what's the difference between him and Brandon Miller, right? Obviously you got the Alonzo balls, different guys, but for the most part, all these guys, they look the same, they play the same.

[Podcast Host]

That's a good point.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

There's not as much personality as you see it.

[Pat Beverley]

You see it. And that's probably why viewership is going down too. Like, man, that's my fucking play like him. Play like him, like.

[Podcast Host]

So I have an interesting take on that. Yeah, it's going down on tv, but my generation is just watching clips, right? Like we're watching the YouTube highlights of the game. I still think there's a lot of views.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah. You know, just different. I think that I tell the person it's. You can get it quicker, right? I can go to house of highlights and get it right. I can go to the pad, be a pot, shout out to Pat, be sure you guys subscribe. But I can go to the papaya pod and I can. Okay, cool. Let me see, Let me see who was cooking tonight. Or I don't even have to watch basketball. I can watch a guy who's not even showing highlights, just showing all bad highlights. And now in my mind, this guy's trash, right? And I don't even know him, but I'm just me watching clips, and just me only watching clips in my mind. Oh, man. Okay, cool. Shaqing a fool. Oh, yeah. He trash, you know, and that's. And that's how it's going. And that's why when you see guys, you know, who play guys be shocked. I didn't know he can do that. I didn't know he can play like that. Because, you know, you only watching mainstream guys, so.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah, I know. The players get a lot of hate on social media, right?

[Pat Beverley]

That comes with it, though, right? You get so much love. Gotta have some hate. Yeah, yeah, that comes with it. I wouldn't. That wouldn't be right.

[Podcast Host]

It never affected you?

[Pat Beverley]

Hell, no. I look at it. I tell my son this, right? I tell my son this. You know how easy it is to clap for a motherfucker? Like, I could be talking to you my phone. You know how hard it is to boo a motherfucker, right? I gotta literally stop talking to you. Like, hold on one second.

[Podcast Host]

Boo.

[Pat Beverley]

Like, you know, like, that's hard. That takes a different energy. Right? Right. So I look at it like that. Like, anyone can clap. I can clap for my foot. Don't even. My. Oh, muffler. Hit a three. Oh, okay. I see you. Right? I'm up. I'll come on the court and I'll hold this conversation. I gotta boot the out of here. Yeah, I think it's more respect.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So you see, that's respect.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah. Oh, and. And everywhere I go, I get booed.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Every city.

[Pat Beverley]

Every city. But for the most part.

[Podcast Host]

And that doesn't get to you?

[Pat Beverley]

Hell, no, it's respect. I like it. Damn. Yeah, I like it.

[Podcast Host]

You embrace the villain role.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah. I mean, not. I don't know if it's a role or a villain, but I embrace the work I've put in to make a person feel that way about me.

[Podcast Host]

Not many players can say they do that.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah. You know, okay, cool. I can have you my folks in here booing. Yeah. Okay. I know I'm about to have a good game now.

[Podcast Host]

I would say only probably you and Draymond. Honestly, I can't really think of anyone else.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You know?

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, yeah. Respect. Got the polarizing figure. Yeah, yeah. It comes with it, though.

[Podcast Host]

Three defensive. All. All defensive teams. Do you feel like you should have got more of those?

[Pat Beverley]

I think. I think. I think it was One more that I kind of missed out on.

[Podcast Host]

Which year?

[Pat Beverley]

I think it was the. I think it might have been that Minnesota year. I talked to Kawhi. I'm like, yo, K, I want to get this defensive player of the year. I need the trophy, man. What the fuck I gotta do? He's like, my boy, you have to average one steal and you have to average one block. You do both of those, you're gonna get it. I'm like, you, for real, I'm gonna get it. If I do that, bro, if you get it, you're getting it. Trust me. So I go out there and I average, like, one steal, like, point 0.9 blocks. So you round it up, block again. Didn't get any other team. Didn't get a team at all. I thought that was probably one of my best defensive years also.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah. So, yeah, it come with it. And there were some years where I got cooked more than usual. Then I got a defensive. You know, it's just different.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. It's all subjective, right?

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

It's not based in actual data, or else it would be.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah. And I think it's relationships, too.

[Podcast Host]

You think so?

[Pat Beverley]

Right. I mean, you know, anybody from the media can vote from it.

[Podcast Host]

Right?

[Pat Beverley]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. That's a third of the vote.

[Pat Beverley]

Right, Right. So if I don't have these relationships or, you know, force myself to have these relationships with people, it can get overlooked. Or some people, you know, many cases can get looked.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Pat Beverley]

By having these, you know, relationships. So it's just different.

[Podcast Host]

How did you view the media when you were actively playing? Like.

[Pat Beverley]

I respected it because it was a job. It was someone that took their time out of their life, went to school for, made it their career. How they earn money, take care of their families. So from that point on, if you do that, I respect it. Feel me? I can never say anything bad. That's what you do for a living. I can't. You know, but once. Once I was in it and I became like, the media, I seen how I seen. I seen how you can build somebody up and how you can tear them down. Right? Yeah. Like what I witnessed and witnessing, like people do to LeBron James.

[Podcast Host]

Yup.

[Pat Beverley]

It's almost disturbing. This man is probably one of the most under him. And Steph Curry, probably one of the most underpaid athletes ever.

[Podcast Host]

Underpaid.

[Pat Beverley]

Underpaid. Wow. You gotta think Steph Curry come to the Golden State Warriors. Feel me? They worth, I don't know, 500 million, 530 million, 600 million. Every time my $9 billion is Golden State wars.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap.

[Pat Beverley]

So now when you think about it like that, just sold the Lakers for 10 billion. Damn. So when you think about like that, you have to think like, damn. Are underpaid. Like LeBron James. Steph Curry should have made a billion dollars at least in NBA.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap.

[Pat Beverley]

NBA made off them.

[Podcast Host]

Wow, that's an interesting take. So you're not a fan of these, These market caps then?

[Pat Beverley]

I mean, I'm.

[Podcast Host]

I'm.

[Pat Beverley]

I'm. I'm. What do you mean, market cap?

[Podcast Host]

Like these salary caps? I mean, like, they cap you on a certain number.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, I don't. I don't like that.

[Podcast Host]

You know, like that.

[Pat Beverley]

Nah, I don't give. Get do baseball, right? Go. Baseball rules.

[Podcast Host]

Shohei Otani money, baby.

[Pat Beverley]

You know what I'm saying? But, you know, when you speak about media and we speak about LeBron James, we watch people kill LeBron James. Absolutely. Try to destroy him, right? And if you haven't been watching LeBron James, you gotta think this man's been the same basketball player since his sophomore year in high school. Crazy, right? To have a son, get drafted, go to the NBA, to have another son for sure is gonna go to the NBA. You know what I'm saying? Like, you talking about black excellence. And to see, like, media, to see other people, to see other black people in the media, like, destroy him time after time after time after time, he's proven he's deserves to be out there, man. 40 years old, playing at a high level. High level. I think. What, he made third team this season.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Pat Beverley]

You know what I'm saying? So, like, I think he's one of those guys that you're gonna appreciate him more when he's gone. He's done so much for the game of basketball, right? On and off the court. And when you see media try to, you know, pick him up and destroy him like that, it can do it to anybody. And that's when I knew right there, I say, oh, this media shit, this shit is too strong.

[Podcast Host]

I've seen it destroy people.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Look at Ben Simmons, man, for real. He was never the same.

[Pat Beverley]

Never, never. Never the same, right? Never the same, bro. Like, he's. He hasn't been the same.

[Podcast Host]

No.

[Pat Beverley]

Like, it's wild.

[Podcast Host]

He was an all star.

[Pat Beverley]

All star ever since he got the ball underneath. And they played against the Atlanta Hawks, and I remember the game they played against the Atlanta Hawks in Philly. And he didn't go up there and dunk on Trae Young. They killed him. And ever since Then it's like, it's been like a struggle. An injury, a struggle, a injury, a injury, a injury, a struggle, a struggle. Like people were comparing him to LeBron James.

[Podcast Host]

I remember that. That's why I don't even blame players for not watching the media, because it can really get to some people right now. Yeah, I know you got thick skin, so it doesn't affect you, but I feel like a lot of people would get affected.

[Pat Beverley]

And I don't care what you say. I don't watch it. You hear it. It's impossible not to hear the media. It's so huge right now. You go hear some shit, right? You go hear some shit. You can't phase everything out. And I know some guys who, at the game, they write on Twitter, search engine, damn. They say, what this person say, what this. I walk on the bus, I look over, damn, he's searching his name. You know what I'm saying?

[Podcast Host]

They care that much.

[Pat Beverley]

Some guys search for highlights, but you search for highlights, you go get some bad shit, you go get some good shit. Right, Right. You know, but, you know, that just shows you, like, how after a game, you can just instantly go to the media and find out everything that you think you want to know. I know somebody got my highlights. I played well. Some guy calling you trash. Some guy calling you overrated. Oh, you only did that because this such and such was hurt from this game. You're trash. You don't deserve that contract. Yeah. You're a killer, man. You're going to be an all star team. Oh, girl, girl. Sending you a dm. Oh, man. Good game tonight. So much shit that goes on. Yeah. With the media, it's. Wow. You know, so for. For athletes to kind of, you know, take it, keep going forward, use it. Right. That's my big thing. Right. That's what I've, you know, been in this podcast where I'm able to. To use my experiences and my. My gifts of storytelling and. And. And put it on a platform where people can listen. I think if you use it in a white. In the right way, you. You put yourself in a position not only to be successful, but to be heard.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, absolutely, man.

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Well, where could people find your pod and keep up with you, man?

[Pat Beverley]

No, man. You know, papaya pod with Rome. Shout out to my guy Ron with barstool. Shout out to barstool. Barstool Sports. You tell me about your pod. How long you've been doing this, baby?

[Podcast Host]

Two and a half years.

[Pat Beverley]

Damn.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, we got episode 1700 and grinding. Appreciate you coming on means a lot.

[Pat Beverley]

No, that was. That's just. That's like. That's like. That's like how I see a lot of stuff with. You didn't ask any Jewish, Israeli questions.

[Podcast Host]

I didn't want to get you in trouble.

[Pat Beverley]

I don't think I can get in trouble.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I didn't want to make you say the wrong thing. And then media outlets pick up on it. You know, it's a hot topic with Israel.

[Pat Beverley]

Oh.

[Podcast Host]

The anti Semitism stuff.

[Pat Beverley]

So, I mean, I. Trust me, when I signed over there, I've gotten so much.

[Podcast Host]

I bet, dude. I bet it's the most hate you've ever gotten. Honestly.

[Pat Beverley]

Probably so.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. That stuff's really hot right now on social media, right?

[Pat Beverley]

Yeah, probably so. For sure.

[Podcast Host]

But I want to respect your career. I don't want to get you in trouble, so.

[Pat Beverley]

No, I mean, I played over there. I can only go off. What about what I experienced?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. So I guess, how was it? Like, other than the bombs, but I.

[Pat Beverley]

Mean, other than that, it was phenomenal.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Oh, really?

[Pat Beverley]

Phenomenal. Like, I stayed in Herzliya. I'm not sure if you're familiar with.

[Podcast Host]

No, I haven't been there yet.

[Pat Beverley]

Okay. So the. The. I stayed in Herzliya. It's. You know, I think the ambassador Sweden was next to me. The ambassador of France. Germany was around the block, you know, home. So, like, we're a respected neighborhood bros. Like, I was in Miami every day.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Pat Beverley]

I went to the beach every single day.

[Podcast Host]

I didn't know they had beaches out there.

[Pat Beverley]

Every single day. I went to the beach every day. Like, water's warm beach, sand is white type of beach. Like, I went to the beach every single day. Right. My biggest thing was, like, right. You hear about the bombings. You hear about all that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Pat Beverley]

My. Was like. And I feel sorry for my teammates because, like, they gotta live over here. But then you talk to them, they like, yo, Pat, man, we be. I've been going through this since I was little.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap.

[Pat Beverley]

Like, you feel me? I've been on outside of basketball court watching missiles fly across my head. And then it got me thinking, like. And I don't like to compare it anything to anything with, like, I'm from Chicago, right? And. And I didn't grow up in the. In the most, like, prestige neighborhood.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Pat Beverley]

But guns and violence were normal, Right? That was the norm. Right. And it wasn't obvious. It wasn't. It might have been bullets flying over, but it wasn't bombs. But for everyone else's perspective. So, you know, you get older. And I'm not saying that it was something that I invited myself to be a party and like, you know what? Yeah, let me, let me go here. Because they're bombing. They're like, of course not, right? But when I was there, I never had to go into like a safe room or a bomb room or a shelter room because bombs were about to hit. Like, I've never had to experience that, you know, so I was fortunate, you know, but, you know, when I left, you know, they couldn't finish the championship either because it was, you know, you know, so like, you know, but my experience and I can only go, you know, and I believe in Jesus Christ, right? So religious wise, like, you know, I'm in my own lane religiously, you know, Religious wise, like, I believe in Jesus Christ, you know, I'm a Christian.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Pat Beverley]

You know, so like, religiously, like, it was a. A ton of stuff where. And in my head, I'm like, I'm coming from a game I'm playing in Jerusalem, right? So for me, you feel me? I'm the highest paid player at the time ever in Israel, right? So, you know, and I've done well, you know, in NBA. So I'm driving black Escalade from Jerusalem after a win, right back to the crib. I got a big ass castle I stay in, right? So my experience was very different. Like, in my mind, I'm like, damn, I get to touch the Jesus touch. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I get to experience the things that Jesus experienced. Like, you know, I've never got a chance to indulge in any of this. Everything feels good, Everything feels magical. Everything, you know, and that was my vibe, you know. So for me, Israel was to play over there right at that time. It was great. I had a. I really enjoyed myself, like, when it came to, like, enjoying waking up every day, going to work, going to play basketball, like, it wasn't any concern of, like, me waking up and not being able to, like to go to work, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I can't go to work today, man. I stay my ass in the house or, you know, shit getting crazy over here. I got to go back home. Like, I've never experienced a safe room, you know, my time there. So I can only go off my perspective. I really can't go off, you know, anyone else.

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy. I just assumed the opposite, honestly, when I started playing over there. Yeah. Cause I just see everything in the news about the war and everything. So I thought you were, like, over there, just.

[Pat Beverley]

And it was the same way a lot of my family like, yo, what are you doing? Like, come home.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Pat Beverley]

And I'm like, let me FaceTime you real quick, right? And I'm FaceTiming. I got on shorts in the water. Like, they're saying it's a bunch of bombs over there on their way. This. This. I'm like, man, I. I know what y' all hearing, but I'm. I'm currently in. In water right now. Swimming, like, water is 83 degrees. That's nice. You know what I'm saying? Like, you feel me? So Israel was. It was a really good experience. It was humbling, too, right? To see, you know, to see the way people living over there, when I mean, living, like, you know, have to go through that. Damn. It makes you appreciate, you know, being American, I bet. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Hopefully they can resolve all that so you can.

[Pat Beverley]

Oh, right.

[Podcast Host]

Play out there again. It sounds like you loved it there.

[Pat Beverley]

No, no, no, no, it was cool. It was cool. It was really good.

[Podcast Host]

Love that you always been Christian, though. I know that's important for you.

[Pat Beverley]

Always. Always. Yeah. Grandma took. Pulled me by the ear.

[Podcast Host]

Respect.

[Pat Beverley]

Pull me by the ear. Make sure I got in that van for church every Sunday. Damn. Yeah. The household was built on. On a foundation, which is. Which was Jesus Christ. So, yeah, that's the only thing we know.

[Podcast Host]

So it's played a major role in your life.

[Pat Beverley]

Not even like, the role. Like the most important role. And you got to think like, I'm. I'm the kid that's, you know, playing in Russia, and we. We play a team in Tel Aviv, and I'm like, yo, can we get a day off? Can we stay extra night? I want to go to the Garden of Eden, right? I wanna go to the, you know, the Western Wall. I wanna make a wish, right? I've been doing that since, you know, since before NBA. And for it to come back around and be a full surface, full circle moment, it was pretty cool.

[Podcast Host]

That's awesome, man.

[Pat Beverley]

It was cool.

[Podcast Host]

Thanks for your time, man. This has been super fun. Can't wait to see what you do next.

[Pat Beverley]

Good luck with everything too, gang.

[Podcast Host]

Thanks, brother. Appreciate that.

[Pat Beverley]

You deserve it. If you believe in luck, I don't. My dog.

[Podcast Host]

Check him out. Yeah, pleasure, brother.

[Pat Beverley]

My dog.

[Podcast Host]

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