The Science Behind EMF & Aires Tech’s Game-Changing Solution| Aires Tech DSH #1366

Summary

Digital Social Hour Episode Summary: "The Science Behind EMF & Aires Tech’s Game-Changing Solution | Aires Tech DSH #1366"

Release Date: May 8, 2025

Hosts and Guests:

• Sean Kelly – Host of Digital Social Hour
• Josh – Representative from Aires Tech
• Dr. Dobrush – Licensed Psychologist and Neuroscientist

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1. Introduction to EMF Impact and Study Setup

The episode kicks off with Sean Kelly introducing Dr. Dobrush and Josh from Aires Tech to discuss the effects of electromagnetic fields (EMF) on human physiology and Aires Tech's innovative solutions to mitigate these effects. Sean shares his personal experience of undergoing a brain scan to explore how Aires Tech's technology can influence EMF exposure.

Notable Quote:

• Sean Kelly [00:26]: "We got my brain scan results and we're going to talk about Aires Tech as well. Thanks for joining us, guys."

2. Understanding the Study and Methodology

Josh elaborates on the setup of the study, aiming to establish a baseline of Sean's brain activity, assess the impact of EMF exposure from a live phone call without protection, and then evaluate the effect when Aires' protection is applied. Dr. Dobrush explains the use of a 19-channel electroencephalogram (EEG) to measure brainwaves and heart rate variability (HRV).

Notable Quotes:

• Josh [00:06]: "We're running a longitudinal study now."
• Dr. Dobrush [01:30]: "We put a 19 channel cap on your head and we did three recordings... to see what changed from your baseline to the exposure."

3. Impact of EMF on Heart Rate Variability

Dr. Dobrush presents the findings related to heart rate variability (HRV), distinguishing between the sympathetic (LF band) and parasympathetic (HF band) responses. The study reveals that exposure to EMF from a phone significantly increases the sympathetic response, leading to heightened vigilance and potential anxiety.

Notable Quotes:

• Dr. Dobrush [07:05]: "Sympathetic activation is good if you need it to be on and you're threatened... But if you stay there, it's kind of like driving a car in red line."
• Sean Kelly [14:46]: "Wow, that's impressive."

4. EMF Exposure Effects on Brain Activity

The EEG results demonstrate that EMF exposure decreases delta wave activity and increases gamma wave activity, which are associated with anxiety and hyper-vigilance. Conversely, when Aires Tech's device is used, there is a restoration of alpha wave activity, indicative of a relaxed and balanced brain state.

Notable Quotes:

• Dr. Dobrush [10:23]: "Delta activity came down in your frontal lobe as well."
• Sean Kelly [16:40]: "For me, it's eye opening because I knew EMF kind of affected the brain, but I didn't know the heart as well and probably other organs too. Right."

5. Sources of EMF and Their Pervasiveness

The discussion shifts to the ubiquitous nature of EMF, highlighting everyday appliances and technologies like hairdryers, refrigerators, microwaves, and even chairs as significant sources. Josh emphasizes the difficulty in escaping EMF exposure due to its pervasive presence in modern technology.

Notable Quotes:

• Josh [22:27]: "A motor in a chair will do it."
• Sean Kelly [22:28]: "Isn't that crazy?"

6. Aires Tech’s Solution: Fractal Antennas and EMF Mitigation

Josh explains Aires Tech's proprietary technology, which utilizes fractal antennas and silicon resonators to create a stable electromagnetic field that mitigates the harmful effects of ambient EMF. Unlike blocking products, Aires Tech's solution reshapes and distributes EMF energy to reduce its physiological impact.

Notable Quotes:

• Josh [57:07]: "Our product is very similar in the fact that we're using a silicon resonator... it re-emits it."
• Dr. Dobrush [54:01]: "The body does not respond well to square waves."

7. Critique of Traditional EMF Blocking Products

The conversation critiques conventional EMF blocking products, labeling them ineffective or even counterproductive. Josh explains how blocking EMF can lead to reflection and amplification of EMF, whereas Aires Tech’s approach avoids these pitfalls by enhancing the electromagnetic environment for optimal physiological function.

Notable Quotes:

• Josh [47:36]: "We're big advocates on doing your own research... because blocking it is a task that you will never win."
• Dr. Dobrush [48:53]: "Our EEG amplifier... He goes, it's the big scam out there."

8. Response to External Criticism and Validation

Josh addresses negative feedback from external sources, such as a critical video by Linus Tech, defending Aires Tech's methodologies and emphasizing the scientific rigor behind their products. He underscores the importance of peer-reviewed research and FDA clearance in validating Aires Tech's solutions.

Notable Quotes:

• Josh [44:10]: "It was just wrong. It was just straight up, like, not what we do."
• Josh [52:50]: "We are a publicly traded company... most of these other companies... doesn’t have to go through the amount of regulation and scrutiny that we do."

9. Concluding Insights from Dr. Dobrush

Dr. Dobrush provides closing remarks, highlighting the significance of balanced brainwave activity for mental health and the potential long-term consequences of unmanaged EMF exposure. He commends Aires Tech's efforts in creating healthier electromagnetic environments.

Notable Quotes:

• Dr. Dobrush [61:33]: "It gets sharper. And that's what happened with you."
• Dr. Dobrush [62:45]: "It's pretty remarkable that in the resting state, the alpha goes up."

10. Final Remarks and Call to Action

Sean Kelly wraps up the episode by expressing gratitude to the guests and directs listeners to follow Aires Tech for more information.

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Key Takeaways:

• EMF Exposure Effects: Prolonged exposure to EMF can disrupt both heart rate variability and brainwave activity, potentially leading to increased anxiety and other health issues.
• Aires Tech’s Innovation: Unlike traditional blocking products, Aires Tech uses fractal antenna technology to reshape and stabilize electromagnetic fields, promoting a healthier physiological response.
• Scientific Validation: Aires Tech's products are backed by FDA-cleared devices and peer-reviewed studies, ensuring credibility and effectiveness.
• Critical Perspective: The episode provides a thorough critique of ineffective EMF blocking solutions, positioning Aires Tech’s approach as a superior alternative for managing EMF exposure.

Additional Resources:

• Aires Tech Website: List of products and scientific papers
• Transcript and Visual Aids: Available through the podcast’s official channels for detailed study of the EEG and HRV results discussed.

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the in-depth discussions and scientific insights shared during the episode, providing valuable information for listeners interested in the impact of EMF on health and the innovative solutions offered by Aires Tech.

Transcript

[Dr. Dobrush]

About the impact on the DNA. And, you know, we're running a longitudinal study now. Right.

[Josh]

Happening in real time.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Happening in real time. And data is starting to come out talking about the anxiety generation. People in their 20s that have early exposure to screens at a young age or media at a young age. You know, stuff like that. And what was the impact?

[Sean Kelly]

All right, guys, Dr. Dobrush back and Josh here, we got my brain scan results and we're going to talk about Aries tech as well. Thanks for joining us, guys.

[Josh]

Super grateful to be here, man.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Yeah, thank you.

[Sean Kelly]

I just got hooked up the past hour. I'd love to see what. What happened here.

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah, we can explain a little bit the setup, because I think that will help. But, yeah, what we were looking for was we wanted to kind of establish what your brain looked like. And I'll. I'll let the doctor actually speak of this, but giving some context as to why we work with, you know, people like Dr. Dogris, and. And this specific test that we do really does help people understand the really what's happening at the physiological level and the neurological level. And then also how does the phone in, let's say emr, emf, really affect that and just disrupt that and then demonstrating the effect that the Aries product actually does to mitigate that. And I think that's really what we wanted to show and why we work with Dr. Do and others to help us understand at a physiological level what's happening. So maybe you explain how we set this up.

[Dr. Dobrush]

So what we did was electroencephalogram. It's a brainwave scan. And the EEG is a great device for measuring the electrical output of the brain. And so we put a 19 channel cap on your head and we did three recordings. The first was a baseline, so we can just get an idea of what you look like we. Right when you walk in. Second one was a recording after you had been exposed to a live phone for five minutes. The third one was another recording after you had been exposed to a live phone that had Aries protection on it. And I conducted a comparison analysis between these records to see what changed from your baseline to. To the exposure. And we also looked at your heart, and we're looking at sympathetic and parasympathetic activation and heart rate variability. And so we have a pretty good analysis of your heart as well.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. And for those watching, we'll throw up the images on video and on audio. We'll put a link with all the photos.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Okay, great. Yeah. So where would you like to start?

[Josh]

I think One thing I want to preface it with is my initial introduction to Dr. Dogris was I needed someone to perform this test. And we, I always tell the story because I never met him. And we were, we had hired the studio to come do up this production to like record what was happening. And he didn't really actually know what was going to happen. We like, we had like one conversation and said, here's kind of, here's what I'm looking for. And the idea came from the fact that we had, I was trying to replicate what we had already done in the laboratory and in our clinical trials. So I had already had, I don't know how many, nine different peer reviewed studies using eeg, using heart rate variability in a wide ranging types of people or test subjects. And so from a storytelling standpoint, I was thinking, can we just replicate this? How hard is it? And so making a few phone calls ended up finding my way to Dr. Doris. And so we show up in the studio and again, never met him. And he shows up and to me he's like a rock star, right? He shows up, he's got the hair, he's got the boots, he's got the vibe. And anyways, it was just an awesome day because we got to test a bunch of different conditions, a bunch of different people, really. Again, kind of mirroring what we'd already done in the trials. So I already knew the results were gonna get, but he didn't know. And so he was getting really genuine reactions. And like, as a scientist and he's, you know, one question leads to another question, to another question. And so we've had the opportunity to work a lot together. But I like to preface though, is what we did today is a, an experiment that we're just really mirroring what we did in a very controlled environments. And once I learned that we could do this and we could do these demonstrations or these experiments with really anybody, I mean, we've done these now, I don't know how many people we've tested live. And the results are, have some variations to it, but always positive.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Right?

[Josh]

And, but it is interesting how different people respond to the cell phone or just emf and how dramatic it is and then. And dramatic. But it can be in different ways. So I kind of prev. Is like, here's a little backstory, here's how we know each other. He works, he runs really cool clinics. I say really cool because the work that they do there.

[Sean Kelly]

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[Josh]

Is kind of vast and we can talk a little more about that. We get get into it, but we, I work them as a doctor, like we hire him as a doctor as a researcher and he's not part of my company, but he's awesome to work with. The last thing I'll say about to kind of set this up is Dr. Dobris is unique in the fact that not only is he a doctor, but he runs a company that actually manufactures the equipment and the software that does the eeg. So it's FDA approved. And that's how I, that's really what I was looking for when I was finding someone to assist was I need the highest quality that I can find because I need the best data, I need the best practice person to, to do this. But what's great about that is that overlap of physics and physiology. That kind of the data, the science aspect plus what's happening at the physiological level. There aren't that many people with the depth of knowledge. So it was a real like blessing to, to you be able to work with Dr. Doris because he knows both sides of that.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Understands EMF from a scientific perspective, but then also the physiological side as well. So it's really cool. So I'll stop there and let you run like what do we learn today?

[Dr. Dobrush]

But they kind of dovetail into it. You know, I was very skeptical when I heard about Aries tech at first and you know, and just by the nature of being a scientist, I am that way all the time.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

I've been in the neuroscience field now for almost 35 years. I'm a licensed psychologist in the state of California. I am the co founder and owner of Neurofield Incorporated, which is a company that manufactures EEG devices. But we also manufacture neurostimulation devices, pulsed electromagnetic stimulators, photobiomodulation stimulators, light, basically cranial electric stimulators. So there's a number of different things that we use to be able to rehabilitate the brain. So I'm also, you know, as a psychologist and a neuroscientist, we get a lot of people in our Santa Barbara clinic, which is Neurofeed Neurotherapy. And in that clinic we see a wide variety of different kinds of people with a wide variety of issues, from the very young to the very old. So when Josh approached me, at first I thought, you know, number one, I really care about the EEG field and what it is that we bring to the table and, you know, for the, you know, healing people and helping people get better from a number of different kinds of problems. And so I'm protective of that because it is a modality that is really showing very strong scientific evidence that is good for you and helpful. And so in looking at Aries, I was like, oh, do I want to do this or not? Because of my professional standing. And in typically EMF devices that I had evaluated prior to Aries were questionable. Yeah, the stickers.

[Sean Kelly]

Right.

[Dr. Dogris]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Well, people would say, well, this is going to shield you or it's going to stop this. And we conducted experiments and it didn't, you know, wasn't the case. Right. And so when we met the first time and, you know, it was blind, I ran, I think it was five different, or four or five different scans.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

And. And I was very, very surprised by the data. And because I was the one that collected the data using one of my devices, which is an FDA EEG cleared device with FDA cleared software, which basically says that you have something that's going to measure the brain and it's going to do it accurately. And so, yeah, I was pretty surprised and pleasantly surprised because I think that, you know, again, we develop a pulse electromagnetic stimulator, but the difference between that and what is out in the air around you is significantly different. It's very low intensity, is designed to be more soothing and comforting to the body as opposed to being harmful.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

And so, you know, so. So today in looking at your brain scans, I could go right into.

[Josh]

Yeah, I think so maybe we set up the different conditions so people can kind of follow along. And then when we throw up the scans, they're like, okay, this is. This is baseline. This is cell phone exposure, which I think we maybe touched on that. And then here's the cell phone exposure plus Aries.

[Dr. Dogris]

Right. Right.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Let's start with the heart.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Because I think this is really interesting stuff. So the, The. The. The heart rate variability measurement is pretty accurate. The heart's a metronome, basically. And the heart has different frequency bands. There's what's called ulf, vlf, LF, and hf. The LF and HF bands are of particular interest because they represent the arms of the autonomic nervous system. The LF band is the sympathetic side, and the HF band is the parasympathetic side. And so sympathetic is you're up, you're focused, you're doing stuff. Right. Parasympathetic. You're laying back on a hammock, you're relaxing.

[Dr. Dogris]

Right.

[Dr. Dobrush]

So when you walked in on baseline, those two bands were pretty equal to each other. So the yellow and the green, you were just a little bit more parasympathetic. So it means you were relaxed. You know, your heart rate variability score was 94.64 milliseconds. Normal is 50. People that have higher heart rate variabilities from 50 to 100 are typically athletic, and they work out and they get good cardio. And so obviously you do that. And so, you know, I saw that and I thought, okay, this is normal. Good, we have a good baseline. Now. When we ran the first exposure, you were exposed to a phone with no Aries protection.

[Josh]

And then this, to be clear, we weren't. We weren't taking the reading while the phone was active.

[Dr. Dobrush]

That's correct. Yeah.

[Josh]

I think that one jumps out on us a lot.

[Dr. Dobrush]

People always say, oh, it contaminates the recording. Every recording we took, there was no active phone. Yeah, it was. It was, you know, it was. It was. We only exposed you for a period of time, then we shut off the phone and took it away from you.

[Sean Kelly]

Yep.

[Dr. Dobrush]

So it's. The recordings are pure. There's nothing that. To contaminate the recordings. Also, I personally artifacted these recordings, so I made sure that the data that is represented here is actual brain and heart data and not artifact, which is another thing that can occur that can make the data skewed, essentially. Okay, so what we see here, and this is really interesting, is that the LF band, the sympathetic arm almost doubled as compared to the parasympathetic. Arm. So this yellow bar here went really high, and. Which represents you being more vigilant. And this is a profile that I have seen with first responders, people diagnosed with PTSD and anxiety. So it's obvious that this phone had an impact on you that created a more sympathetic response in your heart. That's the first observation. And then when you did the second exposure with the Aries present, then we saw a different presentation with your heart. And this is what we saw now.

[Dr. Dogris]

The.

[Dr. Dobrush]

It flipped completely. The parasympathetic activation goes off the scale, and the sympathetic activation drops dramatically. And that happened within a period of five minutes.

[Sean Kelly]

Crazy.

[Dr. Dobrush]

And so that, you know, all of us were sitting here watching this happen. That's a big swing.

[Sean Kelly]

Huge.

[Dr. Dobrush]

And you didn't appear to have any state change or consciousness change. You were awake. You weren't sleeping. It was the same. It was the same state in all three recordings, in my opinion.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dogris]

And so.

[Dr. Dobrush]

And all done at the same time. Notably, your heart rate variability spiked when you were exposed to the phone as compared to when you had Aries on. It actually dropped to 74.98, which, again, is healthy. It's a. It's a little less than your. Your. Your baseline rhythm, but it's within variability, so it's pretty close. So, you know, it appears that the protection had an influence on what your heart, you know, was doing.

[Sean Kelly]

Wow, that's impressive.

[Josh]

Yeah. I was gonna ask you, like, you know, because, you know, people often comment when they see our content or they read our studies and. And they, you know, they want to really understand all the different controls and things like that. And I'm. And I have seen this now many times, and we've done, again, all the clinical stuff that we've done, and I'm always like, if I asked you to control the different aspects of your heart or the different waves in the brain, like, would you even know? Like, how would you even think about that? You know, when you sat here and got tested, did you. Did you feel different from one to the next? Like, were you, like, actively trying to say, I've got to calm down, or I got to, like. And I. And I always, you know, we don't get a chance to talk to the test subjects in this environment.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Josh]

So I'm curious, your thoughts as you were going through that. Like, what was going through your mind as you were, you know, navigating?

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, I didn't feel any noticeable differences during the test. He was saying to, like, loosen my jaw and to kind of stay calm, so I was sort of just thinking about that, but no, I didn't feel anything. So to see it like that drastically on like the, the readings is really wild to me.

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah. And, and, but overall you weren't like, you weren't trying to like beat a test of some sort because you didn't really know what you're being tested?

[Sean Kelly]

No, I didn't know what. Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Typically prompts are given so I can see jaw or muscle artifact in the record as we're recording. And so it's not unusual during these kinds of recordings to tell a person, okay, keep your jaw loose or stay calm, or, you know, give me periods of time where you don't blink, that kind of thing. And we try to keep the amount of direction to a minimum. So occasionally in all three recordings. I think I coached you in all three of them.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Just to make sure that we're getting good data.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. For me, it's like pretty crazy to see with my own eyes because you hear all these videos about how EMF is bad for your body, but I've never seen actual results like this.

[Josh]

I think it's actually really good point to say because the average healthy person in real time is not always able to have a, I guess a physical response, like a negative physical response, but it doesn't mean that it's not happening. And so maybe speak to that, like what's we saw, it's actually happening in a physiological level. So what does that mean? It's. We're talking really about a cumulative effect over time, a compounding effect that's maybe occurring or, you know, potentially a weakening of something that allows something more dramatic to actually. So from your standpoint, what does it actually mean? Because like you said, you don't really, you know, not everyone has this dramatic response. Some people do. They actually have a real physical response, but you would probably know on both, both directions. So, like, if you would know you had a negative response and then you. That therefore you then know you had a positive response, the average person isn't responding in that way. So what is actually happening?

[Dr. Dobrush]

Yeah, you know, it's interesting when you think about it. It's. It's a primitive response. You know, when you're looking at the heart, you know, the heart's picking up what's happening and it's responding to it in real time. And that primitive response is if there's danger, then you're going to have a sympathetic response. Right. In your environment. And that sympathetic response is fight or flight. Right. You know, your blood flow is going to get diverted to muscles. Your respiration might increase. Your, you know, your body's going to prepare for combat or it's going to prepare to run away. Right. And your brain's going to get sharper, it's going to become more sympathetic because there's danger present. But when danger is not there, your body relaxes. Right. And so it's no surprise to me at all that he goes into a parasympathetic response, because now the body's not threatened anymore. So in my opinion, it's primitive. It's outside of your real conscious awareness.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Interesting.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

So you can't control.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Would be very difficult, too. You'd have to be like an established meditator to put yourself into a parasympathetic or sympathetic state. But the sympathetic response is harder to gear up unless you're a person that has, you know, trained to do that. Like a monk, Like a first responder, for instance. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

They're trained to be calm in stressful environments.

[Dr. Dogris]

They're.

[Dr. Dobrush]

They will be sympathetically activated most of the time. And that's not good for you. Sympathetic activation is good if you need it to be on and you're threatened, you want your body to be able to go into that state so that you can protect yourself or run away, have the natural response that's going to be healthy. But if you stay there, it's kind of like driving a car in red line. You know, the motor can only handle it for so long before it seizes. And so your body, when it gears down, your body is going to go into its housekeeping mode. Then it's going to start getting rid of toxins and stuff, your bloodstream that shouldn't be there. You eliminate stuff.

[Dr. Dogris]

Right.

[Dr. Dobrush]

But you can't go into housekeeping mode when you're in a sympathetic vigilance. You stay in a. In a vigilance mode. Your body's using its resources and it's gonna. It's gonna continue to hold on to all the garbage that should go out and. And over time, that will translate to illnesses.

[Sean Kelly]

Wow.

[Dr. Dogris]

And.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Yeah, because those kinds of toxins in your body could, you know, they can impact all the systems like your kidneys, your liver, your stomach, your heart.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Your brain, all of them. And eventually it could turn into really bad, you know, diseases.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. For me, it's eye opening because I knew EMF kind of affected the brain, but I didn't know the heart as well and probably other organs too. Right.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Yeah. The whole body. Wow. The whole system's Going to get impacted.

[Josh]

Yeah. The way I always describe it, because I get these questions all the time. And. And in science is like, not helpful because there's. If you read this paper that's like, okay, it talks about oxidative stress. This one maybe talks about blood, brain barrier or the cell communication, calcium channels. It's all sorts of things. So there's clearly, like, a lot of different ways that EMF and EMR exposure is processed at a physiological level. And maybe it's different for everybody, but there's definitely a clear amount of stress that's occurring. And how. What that looks like over a long period of time is difficult to test as well. But I do think the science is getting more and more convincing of, like, hey, this is something to be aware of, which is why I think you're seeing culturally more people talking about it. You saw it in the executive order that the president signed in February, where I think it was section four, calls out specifically connecting EMR exposure to the disease epidemic in America. It specifically calls it out like they want to do more research and learn more about that. And so you are seeing it more in culture, like, more awareness of EMR causing a problem. And actually, I was just talking to one of your team members here, and they were talking about their Apple Watch.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Josh]

And it's. And I told them, like, Apple Watch is one of the number one products that people find their way to us is their experience with the Apple Watch. And I don't really know why, but the Apple Watch is one that is like the gateway product to finding a solution. And it was interesting because I see, I would say one out of three people that I interact with almost always call it out. Cell phone is, you know, probably number one. But I think it's the Apple Watch or smart watches. I don't want to pick on one brand or the other, but smartwatches in general seem to be a triggering product for some reason.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. The doctor was telling me earlier about how there's so many devices that emit emf, not even just like the ones we know, like phones and stuff, but he was saying a chair.

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Isn't that crazy?

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

A motor and a chair will do it.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

You know, that's one. A lot of appliances in your home.

[Josh]

Hair dryer is a big one, you know, really?

[Dr. Dobrush]

Hairdryer refrigerators are huge. EMF generators.

[Dr. Dogris]

Wow.

[Josh]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

I didn't know that.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Microwaves, too.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Micro. Of course.

[Josh]

Yeah. Microwaves are interesting, though, because they're. They're very well Shielded. So because it's a. That's a different part of the electromagnetic spectrum that is dangerous. So they do shield them more. It doesn't mean that they're still not. I mean, when you. When you understand the physics of it, there is a amount of smog that's generated in and around all of the devices. But. But. But, yeah, I mean, you really can't escape it. I. We've been traveling. I've had this prototype wearable EMF reader, and that is programmed to tell you how much EMF your body is absorbing and kind of where all your hot spots are, but then gives you, like, a cumulative score over the day. And ba. You're. If you're at a hundred, that's what your allowable. Allowable a number is based upon the current U.S. guidelines. Right. And I'm pretty conscious of it, obviously, being in this space and running this company.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Josh]

I have not had a day that I'm not at 200%. Geez, it's wild. And then we were. We were at this Airbnb, this old home. We were in South Carolina recording some content with this doctor and I'm. I'm tripping out the whole time because I'm in the middle of the living room and this thing's beeping while I'm interviewing this guy, and it's just beeping, and I'm like, what is going. And then. And then in virtually every car, everyone picks on the electric cars. And again, I go back to, like, if you're building products that, you know, are emitting a large amount of, you know, emr, you're typically shielding them. Like, electric cars are built pretty well with shielding because they know that there's an EMF that's outside of the government guidelines already. So there's a fair amount of shielding. It doesn't mean that they're safer than the other ones. I'm just saying the obvious things actually are obvious to the manufacturer as well.

[Sean Kelly]

Right.

[Josh]

It's the. I would say it's the vehicles that are not electric. When you're sitting in a normal, like, everyday vehicle that's been built in the last five years and you have an EMF reader in there. I don't. It doesn't matter what's going on. It's buzzing.

[Sean Kelly]

Wow.

[Josh]

It's pretty wild. And it's. You don't even know where it's coming from. Is it the LTE from the car? Is it the WI FI from the car? Is it the batter, The. The battery that charges your phone by just setting it on the induction charger. What is it? And it's pretty wild because you can't escapist. So now you're in this metal box of just this, this energy field that's impacting your body in a negative way. And so when you think about chronic exposure compounding over time, the time you spend in the vehicle is a large part of everyone's day, especially young people, you know, which I don't think we talk enough about. But young people, you know, we were, every time we do this test and the young people react pretty wildly. The swings are pretty wild. Older people, I would say 45 and older, just anecdotally I see they swing, but it's a slower rise up and a slower rise down and maybe not as sharp. And again that's just anecdotal from the stuff that we've done. But young people, it's pretty wild.

[Sean Kelly]

I wonder what's causing that. We're just exposed to more devices maybe.

[Josh]

I think it's maybe the age at which it, it was present in your world and, and then always on and then growing up always connected and just kind of. And if you look at the, the, the curve of wireless technology in our environment, it's been exponential like since the 1990s. Since the 1990s. It's a curve that's like a crazy straight up line because you know, you're, we pick on the phone a lot because it's so close to you and it is, does emit a lot. But your vacuum is a robot vacuum. It's like wireless technology and your refrigerator and your washer and dryer and everything.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Is, it makes me wonder about the impact on the DNA. And we're running a longitudinal study now, not my company, but in life around the world. Right. It's happening in real time and data is starting to come out talking about the anxiety generation and you know, people in their 20s that have early exposure to, you know, screens at a young age, social media at a young age, you know, stuff like that. And what was the impact? You know, but if you look at EMF exposure, you know, the first cohort to be exposed to it probably didn't have too much of a response. Yeah, because they didn't have any previous responses. But DNA is smart, it knows how to adapt. The body's adaptive. So if it, if it's put in a state where it's in danger, it's going to respond and it's going to change itself to be able to survive. An example of that is unfortunately is like alcohol Abuse in the United States. If you look at Native American populations, it was discovered in the 1980s, basically that there was a very strong alcohol issue in these. In the Native American culture. And, you know, there's. There's abuse of alcohol and then there's dependency in alcohol. You know, your brain creates dopamine, and when you drink alcohol, dopamine seized alcohol as a poison. It doesn't like it. And so if you drink too much, you get sick. Right. But if you drink too, dependence, not abuse, but dependence, where if you don't have it, you have a withdrawal or a seizure or, you know, your body's going to react to it. The body is smart. It goes, whoa, you want me to. You want me to get good with this? So now I'm not going to make dopamine for you anymore. It mutates it genetically and creates a new neurotransmitter called TH iq. Now, TH IQ does the exact opposite of what dopamine does. It doesn't reject alcohol. It wants more.

[Dr. Dogris]

Right.

[Dr. Dobrush]

So it would make sense to a substance that the body responds to it. It changes genetically to adapt and survive. So what's going to happen with this EMF exposure that we have been subjected to and continue to be exposed to with WiFi 5G, you know, electrosmog around us? Our bodies are going to respond. My biggest concern is when I see data like this, that you have a very high sympathetic response, your body doesn't do the housekeeping. I think it's going to give rise to more anxiety. I think it's going to give rise to more systemic illnesses. I think it's going to give rise to some bizarre stuff that we haven't seen before, like strange autoimmune stuff and sensitivities that make people look crazy because, you know, they're. They're going, God, I'm reacting to everything around me, you know, and as a psychologist, I kind of raise an eyebrow and go, well, is this real or not? And it's starting to look pretty darn real.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

You know, and that's scary.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

And, you know, based on the numbers and the science, you know, we have some data right here that is. Is showing us something that we should pay attention to.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, man, that's concerning.

[Josh]

Do you want to hit some of the brain stuff? So we talked about the heart, which is good, because we don't actually talk about the heart stuff all that frequently. Yeah, a lot of stuff we don't want to take the UFC is. I don't know if it's Opposite, but they'll usually come in. In that vigilant state because they're kind of always on.

[Sean Kelly]

Right.

[Josh]

They're programmed to always be on. And we see that with the athletes where they're dialed and they have a hard time coming down off of that. A lot of Houston, the first responders look like that as well. So the work we've done with the UFC is similar in the fact that the ability to turn it off and relax and clean the system out like he's described seems to be kind of consistent theme from the tests that we've done there as well. So it's kind of fascinating. Like I said, it runs the. The gamut of all the different, you know, variations, but it's consistent with the lifestyles that we see, too. So the. The basketball player, the pro, the pro ball player was headed to the Olympics this summer from Canada that we tested. Same thing. He just, I think he had a practice. For the practice, it was an off day, but they were getting. They were gearing up to play the U.S. yeah. And he came in, just dialed, like, super focused and. But he had kind of this issue where being able to come off of that. So how does he relax? How did he come off, sleep? All these different things start to become effective. The downstream effects of that really start to pile up.

[Sean Kelly]

Right, that's interesting.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

And also when you travel, you're just absorbing a ton of emf, too, Right. When you're flying and going everywhere.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Yeah, I. Yeah, I think about it on an airplane.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

How many cell phones are on an airplane?

[Sean Kelly]

Right.

[Dr. Dobrush]

When we were talking about this, you know, you got 100, 175 seats. At least 150 are holding phones.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

You know, and in a very com. You know, confined space.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Right. And all of them are talking to one router or two routers on that plane. You know, that's a lot of. That's a lot of concentrated energy.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

I can tell you for sure. You know, having a company that develops pulse electromagnetic stimulators, we did a lot of research to determine what would actually make your brain change.

[Dr. Dogris]

Right.

[Dr. Dobrush]

And, you know, of course, the goal here is to be able to do it in a healthy way and to cause no harm. Well, one of the things that we know in neuroscience is that heat is dangerous to cells. Right. You heat up the brain, you're going to cause cellular death. That's not good. Right. So when we did our first experiments, I designed, with the help of my engineers, a device that actually is capable of delivering low Frequency low intensity EMF stimulation for the sole purpose of increasing blood flow. If you gently stimulate a cell, it will call for resources. So you get capillary dilation, increased blood flow in a region, and you can reduce inflammation in the brain and bring it more of what it needs to be able to function correctly. Because it's the best doctor in the room. Right. And so we were like, okay, this is a cool idea. We want to do this. But when we started to really look at it, the device actually created a field that was less than what you get when you look in your refrigerator looking for food. Okay. So I was thinking, okay, that's pretty good. Right? These things are creating a field that is significantly stronger than that. Right. And it creates heat. And prolonged exposure over time is going to impact those structures. And we know there's research now that shows that the temporal lobes begin to get degraded as a result of. Of cellular exposure. Holding the phone up to your head is not a good idea. It is shown to be.

[Sean Kelly]

And airlock are worse, right?

[Dr. Dobrush]

Well, there are lesser of two evils.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, they're not as bad.

[Dr. Dobrush]

They're not as bad. But the, you know, a lot of.

[Josh]

People just sighs relief on that one because there definitely seems to be like an intuition about the AirPods. Like, I know it's harming me, but they're so convenient.

[Sean Kelly]

I see it all the time.

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Still Bluetooth. And that's what you got to be careful with. And then it's also, you know, wired. Is.

[Dr. Dogris]

Is.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Is the next one. And then speakers the best. Yeah, that's, that's the way, you know, hands free is the best way.

[Sean Kelly]

Well, the good news is now they could just wear some Aries and.

[Josh]

Yeah, and I guess if we want to look at those, those maybe talk through some of the other observations.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Let's talk about the brain scan. Yeah. So this is pretty interesting stuff. So we have a baseline scan and then we. And so what I did was I ran a comparative analysis looking at the baseline versus the, the second, the first exposure with no protection to see if there was any differences there. And there are. And you had the phone up to your right temporal lobe when you did the scan. And when we look at delta here in your baseline, the power level of the delta activity in the right temporal lobe dropped significantly. We set the P value at probability level at.001. And so statistics significance is usually at.05. So. But this is ultra conservative setting and it was significant at T3, T4 and C4 here on your right temporal Lobe, there's a big drop in delta. And as I look at this, it looks like delta activity came down in your frontal lobe as well.

[Josh]

That was with the cell phone.

[Dr. Dobrush]

That was with the cell phone. So the exposure definitely triggered your brain. And let's see here, as I look at it, and we do see an elevation in gamma activity. So gamma is a emergent waveform that appears in the brain when, when you're, you know, when it needs to send information and that information is sent between, you know, multiple systems or hub systems in your brain. Gamma is typically measured between around 40 to about 150 cycles per second or hertz. And when I look at this scan here, the brain map on the left here shows your baseline. The one in the middle is.

[Dr. Dogris]

What.

[Dr. Dobrush]

You look like when you were exposed to the phone with no protection. And the one on the right shows red or black electrodes. If the electrode is colored in red, it means it's statistically significant difference from, from pre to post. And in this case, all 19 electrodes in the gamma range increase significantly. Wow. All 1900%.

[Josh]

So what does that mean to him in like real life?

[Dr. Dobrush]

So if so, if when beta goes up like this and gamma goes up like this, you start to experience, you know, it's fast, it can create anxiety. That's one of the things that can happen. You could get really lucid, you know, you could get really clear for a period of time. But again, it's driving the car in red line. And what we have found is that typically it's going to create, it can create ruminations, perseverations, you know, obsessive kind of thinking, you know, anticipation of other events that are going to occur. Fear. You know, fear is like the root of anxiety. Yeah. So, you know, but typically it's going to create an anxious response. That's what we see here. So delta is your brake pedal. Right. So delta going down and the higher frequencies going up is not a good combination. A healthy brain is a balanced brain. So when you look at all the frequency bands that the brain creates, Delta, theta, alpha, beta, high, beta, gamma. You want to see a nice distribution of that.

[Dr. Dogris]

Right.

[Dr. Dobrush]

With alpha being the predominant amount of brainwave that you should see in a resting state. Right. Well, it did come up, but everything came up here. So the distribution wasn't a healthy increase. That's what we saw from baseline to the first one. And then when we actually have the Aries product on what interestingly enough happened is your delta evened out and the alpha came up in your frontal lobe. And it really did come up in a healthy way, both frontally and occipitally. So in the back of your head as well.

[Sean Kelly]

Wow.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Yeah, that's good.

[Josh]

So let's talk about that because that was when we were off camera. We're talking about alpha.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Right.

[Josh]

It's a, it's a unique, it's unique in some instance. So talk to us about that.

[Dr. Dobrush]

So people with different kinds of disorders don't produce a lot of frontal alpha or temporal lobe alpha. And, and in your case it did come up and you know, so people diagnosed with autism or ADHD or, you know, those kinds of diagnoses, the power levels are typically lower in those populations. It's one of the profiles that we see here. Now when you look at the baseline here and you look at the impact of no protection with Aries on Aries, actually seem to restore the power level in your, in your right temporal lobe. Wow. Yeah, it actually brought up the power level. And so. Well, it didn't do it, your brain did it. It may have protected you so that it wasn't being pushed down. So, you know, when you have that phone up there, your brain's responding to it and if something's mitigating that exposure, then your brain's going to go back to functioning normally. You know, your editors are going to.

[Josh]

Have fun putting all these screenshots up, chasing him around with the language. But I think in summary though, like, is it, it's consistent with the other things we've seen. It's a. Unique in his, in his own case. Yeah, but, and I think that, that Alpha 1 is interesting, but I, I kind of, we have, we've done this a lot now and sometimes it's hard because what does it actually mean to you? Like what does it actually, how does it affect your life? And again, part of the half time we don't even know. Right. But you also don't know that a negative thing is occurring either. And, and so again, you don't know until something breaks. And that's kind of what Dr. Do is, you know, educated me a little bit on, is because I, I get frustrated sometimes because, you know, I'm a, I am a healthy person for the most part. And I don't know that EMF or EMR is affecting me on a day to day basis. Right. But when you see the data, you're like, well, I don't want to live like that either. So if I'm trying to live optimally and you know, I'm doing all these other things, I'M drinking my, you know, hydrogen water. I'm drinking, I'm getting red light therapy or cold there, whatever. All these different modalities that you're testing and trying. I position Aries for a lot of people as this is another way to just optimize the environment around you that we're spending so much time in. Like think about where you're sleeping, right? You, you mentioned, you know, you, you do things to optimize sleep and most people do these days because it were so. With such a problem. Sleep is such a problem. And nobody's pointing to the cell phone as much except for athletes. I will tell you. Athletes know, they're the first ones that will tell you the cell phone is out of the room or turned off completely. Almost every athlete that's had a long career will tell you they have a strategy around mitigating EMF and EMR exposure.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Wow.

[Josh]

And it's, it's like you read Tom Brady's book, you read, you know, Novak's book, all these guys have a strategy around this. And because I think there's a sensitivity to it and when you're an athlete, you're super tuned to all the inputs, you know, what's happening in your environment. So, you know, we, we think of Aries as a way to optimize your environment, to clear your environment. We did that deal with the Timberwolves, for example, and created the first EMF friendly arena in the world with, with the Timberwolves by the whole arena. The whole arena. Well, we're working on, we have the concourse, we have most of the areas with a media room. We have the draft room, which I'm super stoked on because you have the NBA draft coming up.

[Sean Kelly]

We have.

[Josh]

Our war room will be emf. They need an interior designer in there first. So I keep telling them, I go in here and I feel like I'm in a casino. But it, but yeah, it's. We have emf, you know, our product in there to mitigate the emf, their training rooms and things like that. So we're continuing to roll it out. But what's interesting was during the arena, you see these 5G base stations that say millimeter wave on them like they're giant too. And they're like very visible. And I had this weird thought. I'm like, it's so interesting that like, as, as humans and users of technology, we'll do everything to increase our bandwidth. Like our, like, if you mess with my bandwidth, I'm like mad, right? But we, we're not Thinking about the optimization on the biology side. And so that's what's really cool about this, is we're able to kind of manage both the bandwidth and still optimize for that, while also protecting the biology side. And I think that's what's really cool about this area. Certified space stuff that we're doing with the Timberwolves is kind of our first big, you know, moment. The stuff we do with like, the UFC and the Performance Institute, which is, you know, here in Vegas, just the idea of, like, lighting is becoming a big deal. Like circadian light lighting. And again, your environment. What are we doing to. To enhance and optimize our environment? And then temperature control, even when you're sleeping, like, it's all these different things that we think about. Air filters and water filters to optimize our environment. And I think of Aries as another one of those things to improve the environment that we're functioning in. And not we get. You know, obviously we're. This idea of this protection product as well. I just think that's a. That's sometimes a negative connotate. Like, you automatically think, okay, if I need protection, that means something negative is happening to me. And I. I don't think most healthy people think that way. I think they're like, how do I just feel better, get better optimized? And I think that's a better way to. To look at, like, our technology. And what we do is it's really giving your body the best chance at doing everything very, very well. Right? It's. And so it's eliminating the things that are harmful, but more than anything, it's creating in the. The. The best electromagnetic environment for your body to function in.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, I love that. So, that being said, when you saw the Linus Tech video, what do you think was going on there? Because that seemed to be a hip piece. I don't know what. What exactly happened.

[Josh]

Yeah, you know, that stuff. Always like that. That initial response when. When you get attacked in that way is like, you get emotional, you get upset. I have a. My initial reaction, though, was like, he's really good. Like, his content production, his storytelling, you can't deny that. You can't deny. And I was like, dude, this is really good. He's funny too. Like, and I thought it was really, what, what. Then I kind of take a step back and I. And I kind of assess things, and right away, the. The fact that he tested us as if we were blocking emf, I was just like, I. I felt. I'm like, dude, that you're completely like, off the mark. Like, we don't block, like our whole business model is around the ability to continue to function in an environment where EMF is present.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Right.

[Josh]

Because blocking it is a, a task that you will, It's a, it's something you will never win. You will never win that battle. And he was using, I think, an EMF reader and he had all this production value that was really cool. But like, at the end of the day, it was just wrong. It was just straight up, like, not what we do. But part of me also is, is empathy because I think a lot of people approach it that way with a lack of understanding because we are talking about like complex physics and wave interactions, that it's just not the average. Most people don't have that level of knowledge to even understand wave theory and the physics behind EMF and emr, let alone what's happening at the biological and physical, physiological level, so, or even the psychological level. Like, so that inner, that inner. The way that he approached it was just very simplistic and, and completely wrong. And I felt bad about that because I don't know him personally, but I actually do. If he spent the time and we did a test with him like we did with you, or, you know, I'm like, talk to, you know, our, our head of photonics and the universities that, that helps develop these things for decades, by the way, and have a conversation with them because he's a smart guy too. Line is a smart guy and he realized that actually he potentially prevented people from getting the relief that they needed because there are a lot of people that are hypersensitive to emf. And you see a lot of people in your practice where EMF is a real problem and Aries is a legitimate solution that actually helps people. I just have some empathy there. And I think a lot of, like, we're, we're, we're popular. People know us in this space, at least I should say so when you're in that seat, I expect it. I, it was unfortunate because I also like, he has the platform to actually do good. And I think with the right information, I actually believe he would do good. And so my hope is some, you know, at some point we have the chance to actually set the record straight. But at the same time, like, you know, he's, he's in the business of creating content that entertains.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Josh]

And gets, gets people to watch. And he did that. So he, he accomplishes his goal for sure.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. I hope you guys can mend the bridge. One of these days, you know.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

If he took this test and saw results. Yeah, I think he might change his mind.

[Josh]

Yeah, I think, I also think that in our space, this category of EMF protection, which is, again, I try to. I'll work on the language and how we kind of move away from that idea of EMF protection because truthfully, there are a lot of bad players. So I actually understand, like, because I'm very empathetic, like, I know where people are coming from. I understand the skepticism because there are a lot of bad players. Most of the bad players.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. Stickers on Amazon 100 EMF protection stickers.

[Josh]

Or the idea of even blocking. Like, I actually have a really hard time with the blocking products or anyone that's using the SAR testing. There's a particular laboratory in Southern California that pretty much anybody can go to and get a test done and they'll almost always produce a positive result for you. And the idea is, is you have your test subject here, you have your source of EMF here, and you put something in the middle of it and it's this linear action that's occurring. And of course it's going to block or it's going to mitigate in some way, but that's actually not the world that we live in it. Like EMF is all around us. It's three dimensional. So when you think about blocking. So for example, you buy a phone case that, that says it blocks, you put up to your head, it's actually amplifying the EMF and it's reflecting it because it's. It's on both sides of the wall, but it's reflecting off of it. So if it truly is blocking, it's actually going to amplify the, like a backboard, like you're throwing a ball. Backboards coming back at you, has nowhere to go except back again. So you're actually amplifying it. And I would tell people, if you really think that you're blocking products are working, your cell phone would stop working.

[Dr. Dobrush]

You know, I have a big issue with the blockers.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

You know, our EEG amplifier. In order to get FDA cleared, you have to do electrical safety testing. And part of that test testing is EMC testing. So you get electromagnetic, you know, and they're looking for leakage and all sorts of stuff. And, you know, they're talking to these engineers. You know, we have RF engineers that, you know, my guy, over 30 years of experience doing it. We talked about blockers and he kind of laughed. He goes, it's the big scam. Out there, he said, because there's only certain kind of metals that will actually block it. And the US Military has those metals. They don't. It's not something that's easily accessible by the general population or companies, and it's incredibly expensive. So a blocker is going to probably not exist. Or, you know, when people say they're using something, there's only certain kind of metals that'll stop em.

[Josh]

Mm.

[Dr. Dobrush]

You know, and other than that. Yeah, you know, that's good to know. It goes through everything. I think your brain seamlessly goes through your skull seamlessly.

[Josh]

People get on board with blocking because logically they can explain it to themselves. They understand blocking. And. But the reality is, even if we. Let's say you're wearing a hat that that quote, unquote, blocks, well, what happens? Because the EMF is all around me. So what's happened as it's in my body and conducting. Because your body's electricity and that energy is being produced and running through your whole body, and then now you have a lid on it. Where is it going? Like it's. It's going back down again. Like, it's just. It's a interesting concept that is easy to sell, I think. And so I do caution people on that, because the other thing you'll notice too is if you. If you have a blocking case or, Or a bag or you put your phone in, how hot that gets. There's a reason why it gets so hot, because the. The technology sophisticated enough where it starts to concentrate the. The signal and it intensifies it, because it's trying to get signal so that the tower is intensifying and your phone's intensifying, trying to get signal. That's why your phone is heating up. And so now you have actual temperature from the phone, regardless of emf, but just the phone itself getting hot, which if you're talking about, let's say, a male and your phone's in your pocket getting hot, any change in temperature to that region will impact your. Your reproductive system.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Josh]

And that's an. That's known, right? I mean, your body's built to actually adapt to heat changes and things like that, and even a degree or two impacts that we talked about the brain already. So any change in temperature, regardless of the source of temperature, why it's changing, will have a negative impact. And so I just think people should be very cautious on. On blockers. And that's not me trying to promote my own product. I'm saying we're, we're big advocates on doing your own research. And we, we are, we're a publicly traded company. You can find us using the, the, the ticker symbol. WI fi. That's a good ticker. I say that because it's, it's kind of, it's a funny actually. But we're very transparent because we are public. Most of these other companies, well, almost every company in the wellness space doesn't have to go through the amount of regulation and scrutiny that we do. And so I can't say certain things, I can't do certain things. And so we put a lot of information out there on how to help people educate themselves. Whether they buy our product or not. I just want them to have the education. So to me, talking about the blocking, it's such an easy thing to get tricked into, or some of these other products that have third party validation or things like that. Third party validation is maybe like the low level of science and maybe you can speak to science and papers and like that. You know, we go through the peer reviewed process, the peer reviewed then published process. And then we had to do it all again in different countries.

[Sean Kelly]

Wow.

[Josh]

Because we're traded in the U.S. europe and Canada. And so ours has been rigorously and like the scrutiny on our stuff has been pretty great. Three years and millions of dollars just to get through that process, let alone build the product and technology. So. So I know what we've gone through. And so we put it all out there. Like our patents are out there. Which by the way, just got the US patent granted officially. So we're super stoked on that. But yeah, so I just like to do your research. People need to really understand that, understand the problem too.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Well, you know, it's. Again, you know, if you have a blocker, the heart is a electromagnetic device. You can measure a human heart from across a room.

[Sean Kelly]

Wow.

[Dr. Dobrush]

There's so much, you know, power that comes out of the heart. And so this mechanism here is capable of detecting energy around you. Right. So if you're thinking that this thing's gonna block everything that's around you and your heart is constantly, I think energetically our bodies are interacting with our environment all the time. And so it just isn't logical that a blocker is gonna stop all that.

[Sean Kelly]

I've seen that theory that we have these energy fields. Right. Have you guys seen that where it expands like 5 to 10?

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

I don't know if it's that far. I've seen. There's a company that's actually out of Russia, A doctor created this device called biowell. And I really dig it because it's a camera that can take pictures of your fingers and it actually shows the light field that's coming out of each one of your fingers. And it's pretty wild. So he constructed this theory about, um, it's based on like acupuncture points. Each of the fingers is going to correspond to different parts of the body and they construct this, this three dimensional map of your body field, essentially. And, and people say that it's anywhere from 6 to 12 inches. That's what they say in, in terms of what, you know, in what's emanating from us. You know, interesting. There's not a lot understood about it, you know, and, and I'd love to see science go in that direction because we're going to have to, you know, I don't think that, you know, obviously any of this technology is going to go away. It's going to continue to grow and it's become our mainstay. It's what we use all the time day in and day out.

[Sean Kelly]

Well, now they're talking about 6G, right? That's like the next one.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Yeah, that's, you know, and so I think, you know, instead of being scared about it, we should be proactive about it and come up with ways to be able to create healthy environments. You know, this is one of the ways to do that. Yeah, that's why I'm here, because I'm interested in that and, you know, and my patient population has done better because of that.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

And so, you know, I've seen it from a scientific point of view and now I've seen it from a clinical point of view.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

And you know, it's when a person can relax more that has an anxiety disorder. Man, are they thankful.

[Sean Kelly]

Absolutely.

[Josh]

Yeah. Yeah. The, the, the space is littered with a lot of, you know, bad players, a lot of misleading information, a lot of pseudoscience, a lot of just kind of trickery. And so I'm very conscious of that and trying to surround myself with more and more professionals that are, that are in, in feet on the ground, working with, with patients, dealing with this, integrating our product product and getting real time feedback from them is really a big part of what we do. Working with, with like people like the ufc, by the way. You know, we had to do a lot of work with the Performance Institute. It wasn't like we showed up there and it was just like, oh, yeah, come bring, you know, whatever. It's, there's, it's, it's not like that. And So, I mean, you. You actually went with me to the performance. We sat with Duncan French and Roman, and these guys that run this have a massive responsibility. We did some really cool tests with them to really demonstrate in a more sophisticated way than what we did today and to really help them understand, I think a lot of. A lot of things, not just about our product, but also just the. How the. The. The body works on a frequency level. And so as you're saying, like, getting. Doing more of that, and there's a lot of products out there. The PMF mats, the grounding mats.

[Sean Kelly]

Yep.

[Josh]

The FDA has approved EMF products for bone and wound healing for decades. So it's not like a new thing. Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

Bone and muscle stimulators.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Interesting.

[Dr. Dobrush]

And there's a. Well, EMF is a transcranial magnetic stimulation as well.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Dr. Dobrush]

For the brain.

[Josh]

So it's been around for a long time. And so the only thing I would. I ask you, like, you know, while I'm here, because a lot of people do ask us, like, how it works. If, because we've had some conversations in the past. You've talked to my team. But. But if that's of interest to you, I can give you a quick overview of that, because I know that.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Josh]

What separates us, what makes us different. But you tell me what.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, let's end off with that. And we'll end off with closing comments from the doctor. Let's do it.

[Josh]

Cool. Cool. Yeah. You know, the, The. The one thing that I would really kind of call out right away is this is a technology. And so we're actually using a similar technology to how EMF is created, how it's transmitted, how it's processed and. And converted into usable information. Our product is very similar in the fact that we're using a. A silicon resonator or a semiconductor which is at the center of it. And, you know, when you see it, you can hold it up and you can actually see, like, different shapes emitting from that. That center resonator. And what those are are fractals. So it's a fractal design, and fractals are a geometric phenomenon that. That allows essentially infinite scale. So without increasing area has like an. Essentially an infinite perimeter. That's not exactly accurate, but the idea being, like, there's a really cool video, it's like three minutes long from mit, this girl explaining fractals. This idea that you can just keep zooming in and zooming like a snowflake. It just repeats the shape over and over and over again. And so the reason why I use fractals and fractal antennas have been around for a long time and that's how cell phones communicate. It's how you can get broadband communications across many, many signals. So our fractal takes the ambient EMF that's emitted by our technologies. And since silicon is extremely conductive, it's super sensitive to the electricity. That energy has to go somewhere. So as it's interacting with this semiconductor center here, this, this resonator, it's reshaped to create a stable field. So it's re emitted. So again the energy has to go somewhere. It's, it's absorbed by this silicon wafer here, then re emitted into a shape that we've designed based upon the specific geometry. So now you have this, this field that's created that is tuned specifically over a wide range of frequencies that the body's resonating with. And it's stable, it's coherent and it's depolarized. So what that means is as it's interacting now with this man made emf, it's able to spread that energy over a wider range of frequencies while also stimulating the, the, the body's own frequencies. So it's kind of a dual effect of, of the reduction in, in the ambient emf. And also the, because it's really pulsing is a really a big problem too with, with the, the man made EMF or the, from our technologies. So be able to distribute over a wide range of frequencies really diminishes the effect. And then through a bunch of other processes of destructive and interference and constructive interference, it changes that overall field. And then at the same time there has a tuning effect within the body's own field. So that's why you see in a lot of these tests that we do or these demonstrations that the oftentimes you improve over baseline is because it's actually having a resonant effect at the physiological level in addition to mitigating that interference that's occurring. So that's a really rough overview, but there's a whole bunch of scientific principles layered in there that are well understood. There really is no mystical or woo woo science about what we do. It's pretty basic. It's a printed circuit board with a specific geometric pattern on there that modulates frequencies and diffracts the waves to, to reduce the effect and then, then re emits it. So I think people try to make it more complicated than it, than it really is. Not saying that physics isn't complicated, but they want it, they want to make it more mystical because so many other products, I think, play in that space, if that makes sense.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, I could see that. Doctor, any closing comments?

[Dr. Dobrush]

Well, you know, just to kind of dovetail into that. It's interesting. The body does not respond well to square waves. We know that. Actually, we developed a 15kHz biphasic square wave that we use for vagus nerve stimulation and for cranial stimulation. And it has one purpose, to disrupt the system. And if it's used in a very low frequency, it can disrupt the system enough so that it actually resets itself. All right. Now when you see a disruptive system and we look at it in the spectra in the eeg, we can see what it looks like, right? And when we look at the, you know, these scans and we see the Aries effect, the spectra actually gets more organized. It doesn't get more destructive, it doesn't get more, you know, diffuse essentially, but it gets sharper. And that's what happened with you. And so, you know, I'm looking at this alpha peak here and I'm going, oh, this is really great. You know, it took you in the direction you need to go, not in the one that's going to make it more difficult for you to function.

[Sean Kelly]

Right. I love it. Well, thanks so much, guys. That was really insightful. And we'll link Aries in the description if people want to look into it.

[Josh]

Yeah, we appreciate you, man. I love the work that you're doing.

[Sean Kelly]

Absolutely. Thanks, guys. And I'll see you at Wrestlemania, right?

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

All right, check them out, guys.

[Dr. Dogris]

So we conducted a test with Mr. Sean Kelly. We have three conditions. Condition number one was baseline, where we measured his brain using a FDA cleared electroencephalogram made from the company Neurofield incorporated, called the Q21, also used an FDA cleared software called Neurofeld analysis to measure his brain. This is the result of the comparison from this test. In the first condition, we took five minutes of brainwave data just to have a baseline. Then we stopped the EEG device and we called his phone and we had him hold the phone up to his right ear for approximately five minutes. And then we ended the call, took the phone away and then started the EEG measurement again and measured five more minutes of brainwave data. Upon completing that recording, we called his phone again, but this time we played. We placed an Aries device on his phone and had him hold it up to his right ear again. And we did so for five minutes. At the end of that five minutes, we ended the call, took the phone away and then measured the brain again. It's important to note that the phone was taken away during the EEG recordings so as to ensure that there was no artifact that could distort the signal or change the data that we were measuring. So what you're seeing here is a comparison from the first exposure with no Ares device on the phone to the second exposure where there is an Ares device. So the P1 Pre is the phone with no protection, and the live call with no protection. And that's the purple line, and the green line is the phone with protection. Now, as you look at these plots, you'll notice these little spectrum. It says spectrum and FP1, FP2. These are all site locations from the EEG cap. We use the international 1020 system to identify the sites. And so you see F3, F4. The F stands for frontals. And then there's central parietal occipitals, temporals. Now, in this recording, on the horizontal axis, you'll see little black hash marks in the axis there. Any part of the axis that is painted in black represents a statistical significant difference from pre to post at the probability level set at 0.001, which is a very conservative setting to distinguish change statistically. And one of the notable things that we saw here from pre to post almost immediately is that in the 10 Hz band, which is the alpha band, there is a significant increase in alpha from pre to post. And remember, this post represents that the Aries device was present and the pre is not. So it suggests that there's obviously a huge difference here right afterwards. And typically, when somebody has an exposure to a cell phone, the same trend continues to happen. You don't see a sharp increase in alpha from pre to post in these kinds of conditions. You're also seeing some varied increases in the higher frequency bands as we look at this. So if I go through every one of the site locations, the central 3 and 4, right, left side of the. Of the head here, we have significant increases in power across the board from pre to post, suggesting that something did change here when the Aries device was placed on the phone. Now, having a good healthy amount of frontal alpha in a resting condition like this is very good. It's our idling frequency that we make when we just relax. And so a deficiency in alpha can be associated with, you know, issues like anxiety, focus, concentration issues. There can be all sorts of issues that are associated with that. Also, neurodegenerative and neurodevelopmental issues are also associated with deficiencies in Alpha. So when we look down the midline here, again every one of the plots shows this market increase. Now another way of looking at this also in the headmaps. Now the brain creates a whole bunch of different frequencies and these are speeds. Delta is in the 1-4 Hz band and represents a frequency that's very slow. Typically you make delta when you sleep, but you also make it when you're awake. All these frequencies are made all the time, but they are state dependent. So if you have an excess in delta when your eyes are open, that can create brain fog. Difficulty with concentration, attention, focus. Same with theta. So these are top down views here with the nose being in the front right ear and then left ear. And what you see here is the map on the left. Here is the phone exposure with, with no Aries present. And the second one is a phone exposure with the Aries device on the phone. The map on the right is the statistical comparison. If the electrode is colored in red, that means it met the probability cutoff of 0.001 and was significantly different from pre to post. If the electrode is in black, that means it is not significantly different at the 0.001 level. Now it might be significant at 0.01 or.05, which is still considered statistically significant. Now we set the bar pretty high here because we really want to kind of challenge and see whether or not we actually see big differences. And one of the notable changes here is that with, with the, the amount of delta here drops when the Aries device is on the phone. And it's, and it's right in the, in the frontal lobes here. You can see these electrodes here are, are colored in red there. There's a pretty significant drop in power in, in the delta band. And if you look at this legend here, what this represents is microvolts. So these are very tiny amounts of power that come out of the brain. Millions of a volt basically. And so when you, when you, if you look at the color on the legend, you can get an idea that the redder it is, the higher the power it is, the bluer it is, the lower the power. So it looks like you can see that the phone was over the right temporal lobe. And you can see that there's a pretty big difference here in the amount of delta that was produced from pre to post. When a person has their eyes open and they have phone exposure. The theta band also had this very similar type of finding here that the Ares device may have been associated with a decrease in both the Delta and theta, that was, in one way or another mitigated when the device is on the phone. Interestingly, like I noted before, the amount of alpha power goes up, and you can see that it's global. There is a global increase in alpha from pre to post here. And all these three different types of alpha that are measured, alpha 1 is 8 to 10 hertz, alpha 2 is 10 to 12 hertz, and alpha itself is the full band from 8 to 12. So when we look at this, you can see that there is a significant increase in the alpha band power for Sean when he had the Aries Tech device on the phone. Now, that's a pretty remarkable change here. And you can also see in the temporal lobe here. It appears that, you know, there's a real dropout in the power. And. And when the Aries device was on the phone, it prevented that from impacting the temporal lobe the way that we predict it would. The literature has been pretty clear that, you know, cell phone exposure over time can cause damage to the brain. And so in its damage, that's associated with the radiation that comes off the phone and the amount of heat that's generated in the brain on cellular structures that don't tolerate heat well and will die off over time from repeated exposure and long exposures. So it's pretty remarkable that in the resting state, the alpha goes up. And we see that in all the alpha bands and then in the beta bands, it's a little bit of a drop here. But again, the right temporal lobe has beta come up. Now, again, you want this to happen because beta is the frequency that allows you to focus and concentrate. If you don't have enough beta, then it's hard to have get up and go. It's hard to remain and sustain focus, concentration, and attention. Too much of it can create racing thoughts and difficulty sitting still and anxiety and stuff like that. But when you have a good balanced amount, then it's healthy and allows you to get stuff done. So when we look at this, we see again, this temporal lobe beta appears to come up as a result of the Aries device being on the phone, mitigating the radiation coming out of the phone. So that. That's a very interesting finding across the board. Okay. Okay. So here we have a screen that shows us heart rate variability. The way we calculate that is we look at the. The beat of the heart, and we look at the peak of every heartbeat, and we look at the distance between those heartbeats, and it's called the sdnn. We want to see the variability between Those heartbeats. And so the standard deviation from normal to normal beat is what's typically measured in milliseconds. The heart has four frequency bands that can be measured. There's ulf, vlf, LF and hf. The LF and HF bands have been described in the literature as being the two arms of the autonomic nervous system. The LF is sympathetic. And so that's the band that. Where you're getting up and getting going. It's your getting busy band, basically. Then you have the HF band, which is the parasympathetic band. And that band is your laying in the hammock and relaxing. Now, during this recording, Sean was just relaxing and he wasn't doing anything. He wasn't under task, so to speak. And so when he. When he did that, what you can see here is a pretty even distribution. He's a little bit more relaxed than he is sympathetic. And that's the way you should see somebody when they're. When they're relaxing. So in the next test, he held the phone up to his head for five minutes. Then we waited a minute, and then we shut off the phone, took it away from him, and we did another EEG recording and another recording of the heart. And he went from this balanced state to this state, which is obviously a big difference. His, you know, the LF sympathetic band went up significantly and the HF band dropped a little bit. Didn't change too much, but it dropped a little bit. Bit. He definitely appears to have been more activated by having the phone by his head for five minutes. Now, sympathetic activation is not a bad thing. You know, you need to be able to do that when you're getting ready to do something or need to mobilize yourself. However, if this is what's happening when you're in a passive state and you're holding a phone up to your head, may not be good for you for that to be happening. So, you know, that raises concern for me. The other thing is that his SDNN went up significantly from baseline. It popped up to 120.23 milliseconds. Normal is over 50 milliseconds. So it went up a lot. His heart became more varied and more sympathetic as compared to where he looked in baseline, where he was more relaxed like this, and his heart rate variability was 94.64. So after we did that test, that was pretty interesting, we waited a little bit and then we called his phone again, but this time we placed an Aries device on the phone and we had him hold it up to his head for five minutes and then we stopped, hung up the phone and then did another measurement and took a look. And it's really interesting here because this is what he looked like with ARES protection. Massive swing, parasympathetic swing off the chart. He got really relaxed after that phone went away with the Aries tech device on the phone which is really interesting. I would have expected the, the opposite to happen here. I would have expected increase in the LF band with continued exposure to the phone and, and, and not a flip like this into a pair of support sympathetic state. Also his SDNN went down to 74.98 and remember normal is over 50 so he, he went down towards 50 which is good. You know he is somebody that does engage in exercise. So having an STNN like this is good. Which means his heart's elastic, it can, it can handle stress, it can stretch when he needs it to. And that's what you want to have happen. Heart rate variability has been shown in the research to be associated with heart attacks. If it goes, if you have a heart rate variability less than 10 milliseconds then you're at risk for one. So obviously he is not. But this is a pretty interesting finding. So when you look at it, he's much more relaxed with the Aries device on the phone as compared to when there is no protection on phone like this. Pretty interesting stuff.