The Trading Industry Is Built on Your Losses... | Nour Trades | DSH #1912

Summary

Digital Social Hour: "The Trading Industry Is Built on Your Losses..." | Nour Trades | DSH #1912

Release Date: April 12, 2026
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Nour Trades

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Episode Overview

In this candid and illuminating episode, Sean Kelly sits down for a long-awaited catch-up with Nour Trades (aka Nour), a respected figure in the trading world known for his transparency and industry critiques. The discussion dives deep into the realities of modern trading, the proliferation of "prop firms" and influencer-driven trading schemes, the ethics behind trading education, personal security, lifestyle changes from financial success, and Nour's vision to change the trading industry for the better. The tone alternates between insightful, confrontational, and at times, deeply personal.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Rise of Influencer Trading Schemes and Prop Firms

• Nour criticizes popular trading influencers (e.g., TJR, FX Alex G, Lambo Raul) for selling the dream to young followers and monetizing prop trading firms through affiliate deals rather than genuine trading expertise.
  • [01:20] Nour: "I'm just tired of seeing the bs... TJR twerking on Instagram and TikTok now and he's got the little kids in a chokehold."
• Explanation of "funded accounts" — programs that charge users (often minors) to access fake or simulated capital, profiting when users fail.
  • [02:12] Nour: "Funded accounts are basically access to capital that you wouldn't have... These kids are buying 10 accounts a day, 100 accounts a week."
• Affiliate structure: Many influencers get a significant cut (up to 40%) from every account bought.
  • [03:10] Nour: "He's probably getting, like 40%, I want to say, from all these accounts that are being bought."
• Morality of the model: Nour refuses to profit from people's losses and calls out the systemic scam dynamics.
  • [03:47] Nour: "You're only making money if people lose... Why would I bet on people failing when the whole point... was to make people successful?"

2. The Casino Analogy & Ethics in Trading

• Contrasts online trading schemes with casinos: in casinos, people are aware of the risks, but online trading “mentors” disguise gambling as legitimate skill-building.
  • [04:14] Nour: "With casinos, you know you're gambling... People like TJR and FX Alex G are both selling online a dream."
• Critique of unregulated offshore brokers, staged profits, and lack of transparency in influencer material.
  • [05:49] Nour: "Offshore, unregulated account people... if it's offshore, it's unregulated. So they can put 500,000 in his account and keep refilling 500,000 because it's fake."

3. Public Challenge to Influencers

• Nour triples down on transparency: offers $100,000 to any influencer to trade live, with real regulated accounts, in front of a public audience.
  • [04:52] Nour: "I have a hundred thousand dollar bet for anybody... come and, and sit there with me and show me that they really trade."
• Expresses skepticism that influencer traders can perform live under scrutiny.
  • [05:06] Nour: "No, not at all. TGR was a depressed kid growing up because he couldn't figure out trading."

4. Nour’s Proven Track Record and Real Trading Performance

• Nour provides real-time proof of his trading successes, live on the show.
  • [08:36] Nour: "Today alone, I'm up 70,000."
  • [09:30] Nour: "Right now, I'm up around 350 (thousand) this month."
• Discussion of scaling up and handling bigger risk and losses as a trader’s account grows.
  • [10:16] Nour: "It's all about scaling... to make more, you have to realize you're going to lose more on bad days."
• Emotional management: learning to be comfortable with large swings in wins and losses.
  • [10:59] Nour: "You have to. That's part of trading."

5. AI & Quantitative Trading

• On the current and future influence of AI in trading:
  • [11:09] Nour: "We've always technically had AI, especially in the trading world... there are computers at these institutions and hedge funds that are trading every millisecond."
• AI won’t completely replace discretionary/human trading but is useful for research and idea generation.
• Quant trading vs. "bot" trading: Quant is real, bot is often a scam sold by influencers.
  • [13:00] Nour: "The difference is this is quant trading versus bot trading... People in Miami love to sell that whole bot thing that could trade for you."
  • [13:45] Nour: "Because why would you even sell it if it's working? ... You can make way more just doing it on your own or raising money and then putting it into your own."

6. Building Student Wealth and Community Engagement

• Nour’s educational initiatives have generated over $40 million in student profits (and counting).
  • [14:18] Nour: "Way more than that. 40 million, that was about two, three years ago."
• Runs a transparent community: livestreams trades, open testimonials.
  • [14:33] Nour: "Community stock hours. I trade live every single morning... started that when I was 17."

7. Personal Risks: Security and Lifestyle Changes

• Details of home invasions (multiple), leading him to move from LA to New York for safety.
  • [15:20] Nour: "You have to remember in LA it's glass everywhere. So they came through the back and it got a little crazy."
• Self-defense incidents and the anxiety of wealth and exposure.
  • [15:53] Nour: "Dude, the fact that you defended yourself. Well done."
• Social circle becomes smaller and trust diminishes as financial success grows.
  • [23:02] Nour: "It does. Because a lot of things become more strict when you have money… why people are around you, relationships."
  • [24:23] Nour: "I don't trust anybody, like, unless... I find a new relationship through business."

8. Cultural and Political Reflections

• Briefly touches on political topics and diversity, specifically referencing New York politics and representation, while emphasizing independent thinking.
  • [16:48] Nour: "If we can't have that conversation, then we're not mature enough."
• Reflects on being Muslim, not drinking or smoking, and personal adherence to faith and discipline.
  • [25:20] Nour: "I don't drink. I don't smoke... if I go out, I go out with my friends, but I'm still not doing anything wrong."

9. Wealth, Spending, and Living Simply

• Admits to being a "big spender"—mostly on food and occasionally watches (as investments), but not flaunting designer goods daily.
  • [26:05] Nour: "Spending money is a big part of my life."
  • [26:44] Nour: "I'm a big spender on food. When I go to a restaurant, I order everything."
  • [27:10] Nour: "I don't split bills. And if you invite someone, I believe you should always pay."
• Emphasizes the importance of only dating or entertaining relationships once you’re financially secure.
  • [27:28] Nour: "I don't think you should be dating... unless you're in an area of your life where you're able to."

10. Perspective on Education and Long-Term Goals

• Parents still desire a traditional education path (“doctor”), despite Nour’s financial success.
  • [21:22] Nour: "Yeah. I'm Middle Eastern, bro."
• Genuinely interested in furthering education for self-fulfillment, not merely credentials.
  • [21:47] Nour: "I want to actually become a doctor, actually."

11. Future Projects and Industry Change

• Planning to launch a regulated, SEC-approved prop firm to correct industry abuses.
  • [18:18] Nour: "I'm creating... a prop firm but actually regulated by the SEC actually in the US... finally change the idea of what prop firms should [be]."
• Travel, vlogging, and personal stories from visiting Japan, food reviews, and cultural observations.

12. Cautionary Tales: Posting Wealth and Security

• Host Sean shares a near-kidnapping story after flexing cash on Instagram, paralleling Nour’s home invasion concerns.
  • [29:38] Sean: "I just sold... $100,000 in cash in sports cards... posted this on Instagram story... The next day, I swear to God, like, over 10 people at my apartment... So then that night... they're trying to kidnap me."

13. Views on Relationships, Trust, and Social Media

• Both discuss the complexities of dating, friendships, and trust when financially successful.
• Stress the dangers of flex culture and the importance of moving smart and discreet.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On prop trading scams:

  • “Why would I bet on people failing when the whole point of me starting all this was to make people successful?” — Nour, [03:54]

• On scaling in trading:

  • “To make more, you have to realize you're going to lose more on bad days.” — Nour, [10:41]

• On public trading challenge:

  • “I have a hundred thousand dollar bet... I'll put a hundred thousand dollars of my own money to any individual that could come and... show me that they really trade.” — Nour, [04:57]

• On lifestyle and relationships:

  • “Now you're stuck between, how do I actually find someone that's there for me?” — Nour, [23:16]

• On personal vice:

  • “Spending money is a big part of my life.” — Nour, [26:05]

• On trust and new relationships:

  • “I don't trust anybody, like, unless I find a new relationship through business... other than that, I'm not looking for any relationship.” — Nour, [24:23]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:15] - Nour’s motivation for calling out bad actors in the trading space.
• [02:08] - Explanation of how influencer trading schemes target young people.
• [03:47] - Morality behind refusing to profit off student losses.
• [04:52] - $100K public trading challenge to influencers.
• [08:36] - Live trading profits, transparency, Charles Schwab account.
• [10:16] - Discussion of scaling, emotional resilience, and big swings.
• [11:09] - The present and future role of AI and quant trading in finance.
• [13:00] - Scams surrounding bot trading, especially in Miami.
• [14:18] - Impact of Nour’s educational initiatives—student earnings.
• [15:20] - Multiple home invasions and personal security concerns.
• [21:22] - Family expectations and views on education.
• [18:18] - Ethical vision for a regulated, US-based prop firm.
• [27:28] - Dating advice for young, ambitious men.
• [29:38] - Sean’s home invasion/kidnapping story and caution on flexing.

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Final Thoughts

This episode stands out for its raw honesty on the dangers of influencer culture in trading, the moral dilemmas in profiting off others’ failures, and the personal challenges that come with sudden financial success. Nour puts forward a vision of education, transparency, and regulation for the benefit of aspiring traders and students. Practical advice blends with personal storytelling and industry critique, offering immense value for any listener interested in trading, finance, or the realities behind social media success.

Find Nour at: @NourTrades on all platforms.

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[See full episode for more context, community details, and Nour’s upcoming endeavors.]

Transcript

[A]

People always ask about that, like, will I ever take over trading? And my answer is to make more. You have to realize you're going to lose more on bad days.

[B]

Right.

[A]

A lot of things become more strict when you have money because you have to pay attention to certain things. Why people are around you, relationships. Now you're stuck between. How do I actually find someone that's there for me?

[B]

All right, guys, back on the show. We got nor trades. It's been two years, dude. Holy shit. Grew out the facial hair since I've seen you.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I look like a baby.

[B]

I think you are fully shaven last time.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I was fully shaved.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I started my beard right after.

[B]

Holy crap. What caused you to kind of just go all out?

[A]

I look like a kid. Things have to change a little bit.

[B]

You got to mature a bit, huh?

[A]

Yeah. I mean, we still both have a baby.

[B]

I got a baby face. I feel like it sucks in your early 20s, but as we get older, it might be kind of useful.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

That's the positive.

[B]

Yeah. Because I'd rather look younger than older. Right?

[A]

For sure. And everybody complains about that after 30s.

[B]

Yeah. 100% though. What's new though, bro? You've been up to a lot.

[A]

Been up to a lot. Been building everything. Almost like I'm starting from zero, but I'm not starting from zero. I've just been grinding and I've been calling out a lot of people as well.

[B]

That's how. That's when I texted you again because I was like, this guy's angry. So what caused you to start calling people out?

[A]

I'm just tired of seeing the bs. Like when I first started, it was none of these TJRs. And then you got TJR twerking on Instagram and TikTok now and he's got the little kids in a chokehold right now. So I just. I decided this time to speak up.

[B]

Yeah. So how did TGR blow up? Like, what was his story? I didn't really look into him.

[A]

He has a personality, which is amazing for social media. It's easier to sell when you're one on one having a personality with other people because they'll look at you as a regular person, which is great. But it's the fact that he's using that to his advantage so that he can steal from younger kids. Especially kids that are like 14, 15 are now trading because they use their parents credit card and stuff like that to, you know, buy these funded accounts. So he's been just taking advantage, having that type of engagement online. Wow.

[B]

So he gets these kids interested in trading, and then what does he do from there?

[A]

He. He makes them buy funded accounts. So funded accounts are basically access to capital that you wouldn't have. So, for example, you'd buy a $50 CA account and have access to $5,000.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So instead of using 5,000 of your own money, using 5,000 of a prop firm, which is demo. Obviously it's not real money, but since it's only $50, these kids are buying 10 accounts a day, 100 accounts a week. It just works like that because they keep swiping that cart.

[B]

Wow. Yeah. So that's how he's making his money.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Yeah. He's selling enough of those to make what he's make. Like showing on Instagram all those cars.

[A]

Stupid. You see how many times he posts a day? 10 times a day. Wow. Holy.

[B]

That's more than me. Yeah, I post a lot of clips, bro. That's more than me.

[A]

Use TDR code literally 10 times a day. Different prop firms. Because he has a deal with everybody now.

[B]

Wow. So he sells the account for 50 bucks. So he must be selling tons then.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I would. I would assume thousands a day.

[B]

And what's his cost? What's his cost on that, you think? If you had to guess.

[A]

Well, these aren't even his prop firms. He's just getting a share. So he's probably getting, like 40%, I want to say, from all these accounts that are being bought.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And accounts could cost up to, like, $500 because you can get access to 200,000.

[B]

And I'm sure you've been offered to sell these too.

[A]

Oh, years. I've been offered this since I was. I just started in 2018. You have to remember, when I started, there was only like, three other people online, and I was the hottest at the time. So when I was around, they offered this, and I could have made millions and millions of dollars every year. But the whole idea is you're only making money if people lose, for example, Right. When they. The only way prop firms make money is when they buy an account and they fail it. So why would I bet on people failing when the whole point of me starting all this was to make people successful?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You get what I mean.

[B]

There's a lot of drama right now with these online casinos and this exact issue. Right. People signing up these kids to online casinos.

[A]

The thing is, with casinos, you know, you're gambling. The word casino is in the Same sentence as gambling. Right. So you know that you're going into this and you know that you're going to lose.

[B]

Right?

[A]

People like TJR and FX Alex G are both selling online a dream. Okay? Trade. Now you'll learn how to trade and be just like me. So you can afford a Konigs egg. That, for example. That's all he's been posting. Right. And he's selling that dream. So people buy accounts. When you say the word casino, it's completely different. People know that when you go to the win or you go to the Hard Rock, there's a high chance you're gonna walk out with no money that night.

[B]

That makes sense. Yeah. There is a difference. You're right. Would you, Would you debate with them? Have they responded to your.

[A]

Nobody wants to sit in the same room because they're not as educated. They're not educated at all.

[B]

Damn. So if I texted Alex, you don't think he'd do it?

[A]

I have a hundred thousand dollar bet for anybody. If you can set this up, I'll make this the biggest event.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I will put a hundred thousand dollars of my own money to any individual that could come and, and sit there with me and show me that they really trade.

[B]

Really? So you don't even think they could trade?

[A]

No, not at all. TGR was a depressed kid growing up because he couldn't figure out trading. Which is perfectly fine. Because if you start a business, you start a podcast, there's always the downs before you go to the ups.

[B]

Right.

[A]

The thing is, instead of focusing on a craft that you can become good at in the future, people say, f this, I'm going to start selling something. Since I showed people I can trade, quote unquote. Because I'm posting charts, posting profits, but I'm not posting any losses. Let me just sell people on this. And obviously he had plenty of courses that he sold prior to this fund.

[B]

Wow. Because when you look at his WAP video, I don't know if you saw that documentary of his lifestyle. He was trading on it. So people would assume he's good at trading if they watch that video.

[A]

It's a fake account.

[B]

It was a problem.

[A]

Offshore, unregulated account people. That's the thing. People are so uneducated, they can't see it unless you're a trader. So if you're a trader, you know he's trading on hero effects offshore. If it's offshore, it's unregulated. So they can put 500,000 in his account and keep refilling 500,000 because it's fake. People don't understand that. When I trade, I trade stocks and options. You know that it's regulated by the sec. Yeah, I trade on Mumu. I ch. I trade on Charles Schwab. These are all regulated brokers that you can't play around with. There are no deals you can make with these companies because they're publicly traded companies.

[B]

Wow, that's nuts. So these kids can't even trade. That is crazy. No, I can't believe that, dude.

[A]

No, not at all. And. And fx. Alex, he used to work with Lambo Raul and they had like a big dispute, so they ended up splitting up.

[B]

I heard of Lambo R. Yeah. What happened with that kid?

[A]

Alex was his assistant, basically. And Ali's kind of learned the trading world and how much he can make from that. So he decided to move away from Lambo Royal and do his own thing.

[B]

Wow, that is nuts. Well, Alex, you've been on the show. You're probably going to see this if you want to take the challenge. 100 grand. So what would they have to do exactly?

[A]

Well, they just. Let's all sit in a room. We'll throw a free event in Miami. Trade on a big screen in front of everyone. We'll use a regulated broker so everybody knows it's real money. And we'll show the progress from Monday through Friday.

[B]

Dude, that would be viral. You should definitely do that, bro.

[A]

And I've been trying to set it up, but no one even wants to sit in the same room and have a conversation.

[B]

Damn. Those are the two biggest right now, right? You say Alex, and it's not about

[A]

biggest and not biggest, but it's the problem with the influence that they have. It's not about them being big that I'm calling them out. I've been big for eight plus years now. And you can go to WAP and ask them how much. I mean, my revenue has not decreased. So for me to do this is not to make more money. I'm just trying to prove a point that they can't sit in the same room and show everyone right there live that they actually make money for trading.

[B]

Yeah. You're like an OG in this space at this point, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Even though you're young. I mean, you've been in this game for.

[A]

For a minute, for a long time.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like people in the four. Would you say Forex space or.

[A]

Well, I'm in the stock.

[B]

Stop.

[A]

They're in. The Forex is the biggest right now.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Because that's. That has more volume or.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. It has more liquidity. They would say liquidity is the amount of dollars being traded every day. And that being said, there's so many offshore accounts that people can use. So many funded. And it's not regulated by the sec. So there's so many funny things that can happen with Forex versus anything that can happen with stocks and options.

[B]

Has anyone gotten in trouble yet in that space? Forex?

[A]

Yeah, You. If you look up lawsuits in Florida, you could see that a few people have, you know, a few funded companies have been sued for 100 million plus.

[B]

Holy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Just for the prop. Firm stuff for sure. Wow, that's crazy, man. Any crazy trades for you lately? I know last time you came on, there were some wild stories.

[A]

Today alone, I'm up 70,000.

[B]

No way. All right, show the camera this. And this is on a verified exchange. Charles Schwab, let's go. Yo, this guy brings the receipts.

[A]

Receipt.

[B]

That's why I like having you on. Because a lot of people. Cap, bro, look at this.

[A]

Charles Schwab. You could even look at it.

[B]

Holy. All right, so I'm looking at this. Yeah. Mu is Micron Technologies.

[A]

Correct. They had a big day today.

[B]

$70,000. Was this options or was this straight stock? Holy.

[A]

And just make sure you swipe. So when they. When they ask you if it's a real.

[B]

What do I have to swipe? Swipe up.

[A]

No. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Just make sure you use the app. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

It's not a screenshot.

[B]

No, no. I'm clicking the tabs. Yeah, it's the real app. Holy. Yeah. How many hours did you spend, like, trading that.

[A]

I had an early flight today to come see you. So I've only spent an hour. I want to say if. Oh, maybe like 30 minutes.

[B]

An hour to make 70k. 30 minutes to make 70k. Guys. Crazy. What's the month looking like? You up?

[A]

Yeah, I'm up right around 350.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So it is a big day. Wow.

[B]

That's nuts, dude. And what's a typical month?

[A]

Right around 250 to 400 maybe.

[B]

That is crazy, bro.

[A]

June is still my best month right now. I finished at around 530, 000.

[B]

What happened that month?

[A]

Just insane movements. Every day. Every day was Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla. And Tesla's my favorite stock. The liquidity in that, the type of volatility you get. You can see this stock move $20 up at the beginning of the day. By the end of the day, it's down $20.

[B]

Wow. You've gotten a lot better in the past two years. Oh, because I think you were making like low 100k, 200k when you've came on back.

[A]

I would, okay.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But I always had some volatile months though.

[B]

Right. So you're like almost up double now from that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Holy. What did you change? Any specific? Did you learn new techniques or.

[A]

Honestly, it. It's all about scaling and it's not a one, two, three thing. Like the last time I saw you was two, three years ago. So it took about two, three years to kind of double up and make this my average. Even though I have had those months in the past, it's on my average and it's just all about scaling. And in options, you have to remember liquidity is always an issue. So if I want to get in with a million dollars in options, it's pretty hard on a lot of stocks. But things like Tesla, I can figure out ways. But to make more, you have to realize you're going to lose more on bad days.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

So I need to know how to deal with those emotions, how to deal with seeing that on my screen, not chasing those L days. Because some days I'm going to lose 30, $40,000.

[B]

Yeah. You kind of have to be at peace with that. Right?

[A]

Yeah, you have to. That's part of trading.

[B]

Yeah. But in the long run, you know, with your skills and your knowledge that.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

You'll make it back. That makes sense. Are you using any AI yet? Whether it's on the research side or the trading side?

[A]

No. And people always ask about that, like, will AI ever take over trading? And my answer is we've always technically had AI, especially in the trading world. So if you go back in time and you look at what's going on, there are computers at these institutions and hedge funds that are trading every millisecond. And you know, it's been around for a long time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that's been around. But if you really think about it, the AI, what is that going to do? Do more research for you with trading or is it going to actually trade for you if everybody's running AI to trade for you? I mean, where, where, where, where is the market going?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? If AI all decide, all the AIs decide to go long on something, it's all going in one direction. I don't see AI taking over hand to computer, you know, type of thing. I think I will be something that can help you do more research. You know, Bloomberg Terminal, I use that. So Bloomberg Terminal adds more or adds AI to their platform. It can allow you to find stocks quicker that are moving or having a breakout, whatever the case might be. I just don't think it'll take over just one on one trading.

[B]

Do you think it'd be hard to teach your skills to an AI model what you know and how you trade?

[A]

No, because you can sit down with the coder like I have. It's called Quant and I'm in my world. So there's quant traders. And I have an employee that's a quant trader. He actually doesn't even wake up in the morning anymore.

[B]

Yeah. So it just trades for him.

[A]

Trades for him.

[B]

And it's doing well.

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

Wow. Yeah, but you got to update it, right?

[A]

Or else we'll update it as far as if you find better probability trades. He's a coder and that's what you call quant trader. So he's been going after it, editing it, trying to make it perfect.

[B]

Damn. I need to look into that because I. Because I'm filming all day. So I need something where I can. My money just works.

[A]

You know what's funny about that? That's actually another big thing that Miami traders like to do. They sell a bot that trades for you.

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[A]

The difference is this is quant trading versus bot trading. The bot trading in Forex. I don't sell anything. Quant, whatever. But I'm talking about in Miami. If you look at Lamborgh Rule. Yeah, he went down big. He made $7 million on bots that trade for you. Everybody reported for a dispute. He went down for it. He apologized to everybody. Ethan Duran, same thing. So people in Miami love to sell that whole bot thing that could trade for you.

[B]

I got wrecked on one of them.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Yeah. So wrecked, lost everything. It was like Traders Domain, if you heard of that one.

[A]

No, I don't even pay attention, but I've seen these traders post it.

[B]

Yeah, I got so wrecked, lost everything. But I'm sure there's some that work. You just got to know the Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, logically. Why would you sell it though? That's my thing, right?

[A]

You just.

[B]

Cuz mine worked for like four months and then it busted or whatever. But why would you even sell it if it's working?

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

You, you can make way more just doing it on your own or raising money and then putting it into your own.

[A]

Never have to talk to another person.

[B]

Yeah, like you're a quank guy. I doubt he Even wants to sell it.

[A]

Right, Exactly.

[B]

Because then it wouldn't work.

[A]

No. Well, I don't know if that's. That's. That part is not true.

[B]

Oh really?

[A]

Can still work. There's enough liquidity and there's still people who are going to go against you no matter what.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Um, but it will still work. It's just. Why would you sell it?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So for sure doesn't make sense.

[B]

I don't know if this is accurate, but 20 million in student profits, is that still accurate?

[A]

Way more than that.

[B]

That was from a while ago.

[A]

40 million, that was about two, three years ago.

[B]

Damn. So you've doubled that too? Yeah. So you got them all in a discord or.

[A]

All testimonials? All reviews. All real reviews. You can go online and check them.

[B]

This man's changing lives out here. Is that a community or how does that work?

[A]

Community stock hours. I trade live every single morning. And I started that when I was 17.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because I always thought about it. I always wanted to do something bigger. And I noticed that I have to wake up in the morning anyways to do this for a living. So why not do it in front of other people? Especially when my friends were asking, I was like, this is a great idea.

[B]

Yeah. So the first time you came on years ago, there was a home invasion. You said there's been another one since.

[A]

Well, there was one right after that, but it was still a little while ago. But. Yeah.

[B]

Was that in LA too?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you stayed in the same house?

[A]

No, it was a different house and it was gated this time.

[B]

You think it was the same people that did it? No.

[A]

No.

[B]

Really.

[A]

I. I heard someone at the door. Picking at the door at a gate. Cuz you have to remember, I wake up really early because I have to trade.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And market opens 6:30 out there, so I like to wake up, get my coffee and heard someone at the gate and I knew someone was here automatically so they were trying to pick up the door. And you have to remember in LA it's glass everywhere. So they came through the back and it got a little crazy.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Holy. Did they get everything again?

[A]

They didn't even get to come in. I used self defense.

[B]

Got it. Yeah. Because the first time they got your. Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You had some cash or something. Damn. That's nuts, dude. Were they rolling deep?

[A]

I think it was about four, maybe one in the car.

[B]

And you were solo?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Dude, the fact that you defended yourself. Well done.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Holy.

[A]

Vegas has those rules, right? The self defense rule.

[B]

Yeah. Cali. They don't though.

[A]

But you're allowed to have a. A gun in there.

[B]

Yeah, but if they turn around, you can't shoot, which is whack.

[A]

Yeah. Like, I mean, I'm pretty sure you got. You can't shoot when they turn their backyarry as well. Right.

[B]

I don't know about Vegas, but certain states, I'm sure in Texas they don't give a. Where you shoot someone they tell you

[A]

to kill in Texas.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's no questions asked.

[B]

Exactly. Yeah. But that's crazy. So you got to move pretty. Pretty silent.

[A]

Yeah. I ended up moving right back to New York because of that. It just. It didn't make sense to stay out there when I'm going to think about my sleep. You know, I'm giving up my sleep at that point. I got to worry about what's going to happen in the night.

[B]

Exactly. How's New York with mum Donnie out there now?

[A]

I'm not even paying attention. He hasn't done anything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And I don't see him doing anything anyways.

[B]

Okay. Do you stay out of politics? Did you talk about it ever?

[A]

Yeah, I talk about it. I tell you my opinion and everybody's entitled to their own opinion. If we can't have that conversation, then we're not mature enough. Madani is not going to be able to do anything in New York.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Was it a great thing to see something with diversity in her? I'm. You have to remember, I'm Muslim and I'm Arab.

[B]

So cool.

[A]

Like amazing. But let's pick the right one. And I don't think Madani was the right one to pick.

[B]

Yeah. He doesn't strike me as the right representation for your culture.

[A]

Doesn't make any sense.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, dude, I just. I grew up in Jersey. It's too cold, bro.

[A]

It is cold.

[B]

I can't stand it. Like, you must be freezing your ass off in the winter over there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you even leave your house at that point? No. I don't blame you.

[A]

Just dinner maybe, but it. You gotta run to the car and. But my family and friends are out there. So.

[B]

How's the nightlife out there? You go out a lot?

[A]

No, I don't. But I like dinners, so I'm always trying. I'm like you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I love.

[B]

I'm a huge foodie.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Yeah. I used to do food reviews. I had to stop.

[A]

Why?

[B]

They would get pissed. I was getting banned from.

[A]

You're being super real with it.

[B]

I was just doing what Portnoy does. You know you've seen his pizza reviews, right?

[A]

And they just didn't want you coming around.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So I stopped because Vegas is a pretty small city and a lot of the restaurant owners know each other. So I didn't want to it up, you know. Yeah, yeah. But I love food. But they would think like a 7:1 is low. They think like a 7.4 is low.

[A]

I mean Portnoy, when he gives those ratings, they love that.

[B]

Yeah. And it's like a five. Eight in the lead. Super hyped. You know exactly. What else you doing outside of trading? Working on any. Anything else Big.

[A]

Well, I'm creating like I said, a prop firm but actually regulated by the sec actually in the US And I'm going to finally change the idea of what prop firms should or what they. What it's what it's thought to be to what it should be.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

And I want to be. I want to lead by example and finally do this on my own.

[B]

Nice. That's cool. Yeah, we'll link it. I don't know when it launches, but if it comes out around this time, we'll link it for sure. You're also doing vlogs now? I saw your one to Japan.

[A]

Yeah, Japan was sick.

[B]

I want to go there.

[A]

Dude, you haven't been. No, I. I automatically assume you've been.

[B]

I'm Chinese, but.

[A]

Well, not because of that. I just feel like you, you.

[B]

I do travel a lot. Yeah, but it's on my list. Where does it, where does it rank for you? Cuz you've been all over too.

[A]

Dude, I'll be honest, the food thing is not my thing.

[B]

You didn't like the food? Sushi, ramen? Come on, bro, you don't eat sushi.

[A]

We had better sushi out here and better ramen in America.

[B]

Stop it. I swear, dude, you're going to get so many.

[A]

I think you know what happened us brought all the best Japanese chefs out here. So they were left with, you know, very little.

[B]

So you are in New York City, which is the best city for food in the.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

People. Some people say the world.

[A]

I think the world.

[B]

Really. I say the country, but.

[A]

Okay, well that's fair. At least the country.

[B]

Just because I haven't traveled enough in the world to know. But you are kind of spoiled. You probably have good at sushi in New York City, so.

[A]

And there's also, you know how they talk about Tokyo being clean? Yeah, there's a lot of rats out there. No, I swear, like, I don't know where we Got this clean thing from. In Japan. It's not.

[B]

Was it cleaner than New York City, at least? That's not hard to do.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, it was. It was okay. Okay.

[A]

Because the trash cans, they separate trash cans, like, a mile apart in Tokyo. Yeah. So you're stuck walking with cups in your pocket.

[B]

Oh, that's annoying.

[A]

I don't know about that one.

[B]

Well, New York, the trash is on the street, so I don't know if that's better.

[A]

Well, littering in Japan is illegal.

[B]

Yeah. Which I like. Yeah, I like that.

[A]

Actually get arrested, so that's why they enforce that in New York. Maybe things would change a little bit.

[B]

Were you getting a lot of looks from people over there?

[A]

Yeah, especially my friends. Because they're black. They love black people out there.

[B]

I heard they think they're like celebrities, black people. Yeah, they like some people touch them pictures. Yeah. And they're tall.

[A]

So you saw my security out there, and he's very tall, so they thought he was in the NBA. So every time they would come up, oh, yeah, I play for the Denver Nuggets and.

[B]

Oh, that's hilarious. That's how I used to get into frat parties at Ruckers.

[A]

No way.

[B]

Yeah, I would say I'm on the Ruckers basketball team. I'm a walk on. I bought a Rucker's basketball shirt off ebay.

[A]

And you just walk around?

[B]

Yeah, for like 10 bucks. And you know me, I'm six. Six. So I could just say I'm a walk on and they couldn't look it up, you know, and it worked.

[A]

I believe it.

[B]

Yeah, you gotta. You gotta hustle when you're broke and a guy at Rucker's freshman year, you're bottom of the totem pole.

[A]

What college did you end up going to?

[B]

Ruckers for a year and then dropped out.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Yeah. You didn't go at all? Yeah, I actually went there.

[A]

Yeah, I went for a year and dropped out.

[B]

To Ruckers?

[A]

No, no, no. Rampo.

[B]

Oh, I heard about med student. Damn. Oh, I think you mentioned this the first time you came on. Yeah. Your parents wanted you to be a doctor. Now they're like, do they ever still

[A]

want me to go back to school?

[B]

Oh, they still do.

[A]

Yeah. I'm Middle Eastern, bro.

[B]

Oh, you're making four or five mil a year.

[A]

Yeah, but to them. To them, you're not successful unless you go to school.

[B]

But is that for money reasons or

[A]

is that for just. I don't know how to put it in better terms. But you're a bum if you don't go to school and finish and get your certificate.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

It's just like a family thing. Keeping it in the family, showing that commitment. Exactly.

[B]

Okay, so you think you're gonna do it to please them?

[A]

Yeah, I think I'll go back when I'm 30.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

I want to be. I want to actually become a doctor, actually. Yeah. But from the education side, like when we were in school, think about this. When we went to college, we were there to get good grades, you know, and maybe find a profession.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So instead of doing all that, I'm already wealthy. So when I go back, it's all about actually sitting there and wanting to educate myself.

[B]

That's true. It's a new perspective. Because we were broke when we were in school. We didn't have life experience. You've seen the world now at this point.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You got the purple AP on. Yeah. You've done a lot, dude. So you want to retire at a young age, or do you think you're going to be working for your whole life?

[A]

I think I'll be working for the

[B]

rest of the same here.

[A]

I think it just. Every time I sit with myself, every time I go on vacation, I miss it. Like, I. I get homesick from my, like, setup. I like being in my comfort zone is working.

[B]

Honestly, same. My vacation rule is like a week. Max.

[A]

Max. Oh, then that's long, too.

[B]

Yeah. I start going crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

By the fourth, fifth day, I'm itching to get to my desktop.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

Yeah. I bet that's a long flight, too. Shout out to the flight king. Did you use him for your flight? Yeah, bro. He saved me like, 27 GS.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah, my honeymoon flight.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I remember you told me that.

[B]

Yeah. No, he's a beast, dude. Shout out to him. I don't know how he does it, but having all this money at a young age, like, did that up your social circle. Like, did it fuck up your mindset?

[A]

It does. Because a lot of things become more strict when you have money because you have to pay attention to certain things, why people are around you, relationships. Like, I don't know. When did you find your girl?

[B]

When I was broke.

[A]

Okay. So that, that's.

[B]

I never struggled.

[A]

Easiest part of life when you do that, but when you don't do that, now you're stuck between, how do I actually find someone that's there for me?

[B]

Plus, you're so young. So, like, the girls you're dating are immature at that age, you know? Exactly.

[A]

And. And you have to always remember the goal that every woman has when they come into your life. They'll play the slow rule where, oh, I don't want this. I don't want that. But they know that if they can sell that to you in the next five to 10 years, they'll get what they want and be married to you.

[B]

So that happened to you when girls were kind of playing around, tricking you?

[A]

I mean, I've. I've known that. So it's not like I have to deal with stuff like that. I'm just saying, like, people in our seats. It's. It's not the easiest thing in the world because they'll either see your watch, they'll either see their social media, they'll either see your car.

[B]

Yeah, you're.

[A]

You're running into so many cons when you go out and you're trying to meet women or even on social media, facts. So it's the. One of the hardest things to do. As far as friends. I try to keep the same relationship from everyone in the past. Like, new relationships I'm not into unless it's business.

[B]

Wow. So you're just distrusting, would you say, of new relationships?

[A]

Yeah, I don't. I don't trust anybody, like, unless. Unless I find a new relationship through business. Like for me, for example, Me and you. Yeah, we found each other. That's a business thing. We have a business relationship. It's mutual, you know, so other than that, I'm not looking for any relationship.

[B]

I mean, I don't blame you with the home invasions. You got to be fucking moving smart like that could ruin people and girls. The woman you marry is the most important decision of your life.

[A]

I think so. I mean, you know so.

[B]

I know, but I've seen women destroy my friends and people I know as careers and. Yeah, you can really make a.

[A]

In the NBA every day. You see it in the NFL. Yeah, that's just on a bigger frame on tv. There's so much stuff that happens behind the scenes.

[B]

Absolutely. So no baby mamas for you?

[A]

No, no, no. I'm not interest. Interested in that. And I want one kid. Well, not one kid. I want one mother to my kids.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm not into that lifestyle.

[B]

Respect.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Are you pretty? You said you're Muslim, or do you follow it up? Pretty.

[A]

I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't. If I go out, I go out with my friends, but I'm still not doing anything wrong. I'm standing with them, having fun, laughing, and that happens like, once quarterly. I want to say where everybody wants to go out, and I'm like, damn,

[B]

you're locked in, bro. Yeah. So you don't drink our smoke? You never have? No, dude, that's rare. Yeah, our generation is doing all that, you know.

[A]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's. People think it's hard because I'm surrounded by it, but, I mean, you know, if you're surrounded by something, that doesn't mean you have to do it. Yeah, you could enjoy it from a distance.

[B]

So what would you say your vices then? Any addictions to, like, video games or anything?

[A]

No, I don't even like watching tv. I think traveling and spending money. Spending money is a big part of my life.

[B]

You're a big spender. Big spender on designer.

[A]

Well, I wouldn't even say designer. I'm dressed nice for you right now because it's your podcast. Yeah, I respect it. But on a daily basis, I'm dressed pretty homeless.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I got slippers on with no socks on. I got gym shorts. I got socks. The only thing I'm into when it comes to, you know, accessories is watches.

[B]

Yeah, same, but they're investments.

[A]

Investments.

[B]

Like, you probably bought that and it probably went up.

[A]

Oh, yeah. So other than that, I'm not into anything. Like, as far as what you see on right now, I'll do this for an event, but on a daily basis, I look homeless. Yeah, you wouldn't be able to tell.

[B]

I feel that. Yeah. Watches are big for me. I probably spend most of my money on food.

[A]

Food. I'm a big spender on food. When I go to a restaurant, I order everything.

[B]

Yeah, you have to.

[A]

Yeah, that's a. That's a normal thing. So when I go to a restaurant, instead of it being a $300, $200 day, 2, 3, 4,000. My birthday, I just spent 15,000 on dinner.

[B]

God damn, Nobu. Or where do you go?

[A]

No, I went to Avra Madison right in front of Central Park.

[B]

15K. For how many people?

[A]

I want to say 30 people.

[B]

And you paid for it?

[A]

Of course.

[B]

It's your birthday dinner, bro.

[A]

I don't split.

[B]

What kind of friends you got split bills? I would never let my best friend pay on a first birthday dinner.

[A]

Who's going to pay a 15? No, I don't. I don't split bills. And if you invite someone, I believe you should always pay.

[B]

Even on a first date?

[A]

Yeah. Man is always supposed to pay.

[B]

You're not a 5050 guy?

[A]

No, I Don't think it makes any sense. And I also don't think you should be dating in the first place unless you're in an area of your life where you're able to. Because you have to remember every time you meet a new woman, you have to do things that you've already done. Go on a date, go on a dinner, take her out to a movie. These are all things that are taking up your time for one that you could be using to advance in life and taking up money. So instead of. I know it's very hard to think about this and just sitting home and not talking to any girls, but the relationship that you should have is. If it comes by, it comes by. But looking for these relationships while you're trying to become successful makes no sense because it all involves money and time. No matter how you put you go on the cheapest date, it still costed you some money.

[B]

Right? Right.

[A]

And it costed you time. So you shouldn't be looking for a relationship, looking for girls, looking to sleep with girls until you're in a right state of manner as far as your journey.

[B]

So you think you should be the one attracting them?

[A]

Yeah. Because if we continue to do what everyone does and we don't learn from it, like what's, what do you, what do you see from your friend? You said woman, right?

[B]

A lot of simps. Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Spending money, going to the club, showing that you have money or showing that you, you kind of have money. You know what I mean? Like all those things involve spending money to please others. And when you go out and take out a girl for the first time, for example, you want to please her because it's your first date. You're trying to put up first impression.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then that leads to the next date, the next day. It doesn't, it doesn't have to involve shopping, but it still involves money. And I think that's a waste of time to be talking to a point. And even when you have money, I don't think it makes any sense to be going on these dates.

[B]

It's a good point. When I was younger, I was definitely insecure and I would try to flex and all that. Yeah.

[A]

I mean we've all been there when we were younger, but even now, like let's say I'm single. Just because I have money doesn't mean I want to give a woman my time. Because I still have to go on a date with you. I have to ask how your day was. I don't care. You know what I mean?

[B]

Like 100.

[A]

I've already asked this question to every other girl. Why do I want to sit there and talk to you?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Makes no sense.

[B]

Did I ever tell you the story on why I stopped flexing on Instagram?

[A]

No, dude.

[B]

I don't know if I've ever shared this on the pod, so I'll say it finally. Dude, I was so dumb. So I. I used to sell sports cards.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Back during the boom.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I don't know if you remember that. It was like, four years ago.

[A]

I remember.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. And I just sold. It was, like, a hundred thousand dollars in cash in sports cars to this one card shop in la. Drive back with the money to my apartment in Woodland Hills. I'm, like, recording the cash. It's like, the most cash I've ever seen. At the time, I was like, 21, I think. And then my boy is like, you should post this on your Instagram story. And I was like, nah, I don't know if that's a good idea. Like, we're in la. Like, a weird time. He convinced me to do it, bro. The next day, I swear to God, like, over 10 people at my apartment, all wearing blue, all wear blue. Yeah. Black guys, all wearing blue, just, like, canvassing my apartment. I'm, like, walking my dog, and I see a bunch of cars. I'm like, what the is going on? So then that night, I take my dog out again. I see this guy approaching me, like, huge Black guy, like £450, probably, like, just walking straight at me. Then I see a car to my side, and this guy's getting ready to open the back door. So they're trying to kidnap me?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

While I'm walking my dog. So I was like, holy fuck. I booked my apartment. I moved out of there. I ended my lease early.

[A]

They didn't get anything?

[B]

No.

[A]

The Crips came to get you?

[B]

Yeah. I don't know if it was the Crips or whatever, but. Because one of them was wearing a Nipsey Hussle shirt, but because I was so aware, I guess I got out of it.

[A]

You sprinted immediately?

[B]

Fucking booked it, bro. And they were running after me too fast. Yeah. I did track in high school.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think having my legs. Yeah, I think having my dog helped too, though, because he was like, dogs pick up on energy. If you ever want to run.

[A]

What dog do you have, though?

[B]

Australian Shepherd.

[A]

He could have saved you.

[B]

No, he's small as, but they pick up on energy. Like, if you ever want to run a girl by your dog, they can Sense if they're good or not.

[A]

There's no way.

[B]

I swear to God.

[A]

What is a dog gonna say?

[B]

So I brought this kid to my house. Not a girl, but, like, same thing. Because I might. I. I was thinking about working with them.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And my dog greets everyone and usually they wag their tail. As soon as this kid walked in the door, the tail went under their ass, like towards their back legs, and he went in the corner. Oh, of the house. That's. So dogs can sense energies.

[A]

I see that.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But they're good with. With girls too.

[A]

That's. That's cool.

[B]

You got pets, huh? You got pets?

[A]

I got two Bengal cats.

[B]

The. Is that. Oh, the leopard?

[A]

Yeah, the cheetahs.

[B]

Oh. Are they pretty? Like, energetic? Like, do they sense energies?

[A]

I wouldn't say sense energies, but they're. They're. They're not domestic. They're half. Half domesticated.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So they don't like. Like certain people and dislike certain people.

[A]

They're friends with everybody.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Honestly.

[B]

So maybe not. That's the best example, but certain dogs I know are good.

[A]

Dude, that's the first time I've heard that.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. Sensing energy, dude.

[B]

That's common knowledge.

[A]

How's that common knowledge, though?

[B]

You've never heard a dog.

[A]

Dog can tell you that a girl is good for you or not tell

[B]

you, but they could tell, like, if they're good energy or not.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You know what I mean? Like, if a dog's going to the

[A]

corner heavy into, like, energy and stuff. Right.

[B]

I'm very spiritual.

[A]

You're not religious?

[B]

No.

[A]

Wait, but you're not voodoo or anything like that?

[B]

Buddhist? I. I do believe in karma, which is kind of like Buddhist. And I do believe in reincarnation, which is kind of Buddhist.

[A]

As another human.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But I know that clashes with your ideologies.

[A]

I mean, no, I. I love listening. I'm always educating myself on other beliefs, regardless.

[B]

You're pretty open minded to that.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I always. I love it. I mean, my cameraman is a Buddhist.

[B]

Oh, what? Yeah, the big black dude.

[A]

N. He's Asian. His name is Stephen. He's from China.

[B]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[A]

But no, I'll go to church and listen. I'll go to the mosque always because I'm Muslim. And then I'm always listening. I've been to the temple before.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

There's nothing wrong with educating yourself with other. Your religion. Never said you can't educate yourself.

[B]

I like that. I mean, I personally like that there Is a lot of divide these days though, with religion.

[A]

Yeah. Same thing with politics.

[B]

Yeah. Like on social media, it's all I see, dude, everybody, right or wrong. Crazy.

[A]

Show me.

[B]

I never got like too caught up in it, but I moderate these debates and I see it and people get so passionate and heated. That's why I want to moderate a trader debate because I feel like that's never been done before.

[A]

Bro, set that up.

[B]

Yeah, I'm a set that up, bro. If we can get some money behind it, I'm sure he'll do it. I mean, he's probably scared of what you're saying is true. But why would you not want to defend yourself?

[A]

Because you know why? He. He should be able to do it regardless. Because just because he's trading with fake money and it's not actually trading, he should know at least how to trade.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But he's scared to go heads up with me one on one in front of other people. Because if you slip up, you slip up and it's live.

[B]

And there's a difference with real and fake money too. You're going to take way more risk with fake money, Right?

[A]

Exactly. Yeah.

[B]

You're not gonna be nowhere as good Did Did.

[A]

It's like getting sponsored by steak. Yeah.

[B]

For real. How did the reception. How was the reception on the videos? Because they got thousands of comments. Yeah, I mean, were people like agreeing with you or.

[A]

Yeah, it was like I only did like 10 episodes and it was like 10 million views? No, 13 million views.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's crazy. And they were all agreeing with you.

[A]

Well, people comment in the section. Well, this guy doesn't even sell anything. Okay. But you don't see the business aspect. He doesn't sell you anything, but he makes you sign up for his broker and he gets rebates on that. Just because you're not paying for anything, you're still losing and he's still winning from you losing.

[B]

Right.

[A]

People don't get to see that because, you know, it's just.

[B]

They don't associate that. Yeah, no. It's the same thing with casinos. I know it's not as bad, but they do get a kickback of the losses. You know, it is what it is. But dude, this was great. Where can people learn from you? Join your community and find you nor

[A]

trades on every platform.

[B]

Cool. Check them out, guys. Peace. My guy, Sean, let's hit the tables.

[A]

Yes, sir.

[B]

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