The Truth About Geopolymer Materials... | Owen Benjamin & Chris Gardner | DSH #1899

Summary

Digital Social Hour – Episode #1899: The Truth About Geopolymer Materials with Owen Benjamin & Chris Gardner
Date: March 31, 2026
Host: Sean Kelly
Guests: Owen Benjamin, Chris Gardner

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Episode Overview

In this lively and wide-ranging episode, Sean Kelly welcomes Owen Benjamin (comedian, builder, “biochar snob”) and Chris Gardner (gardener, podcaster) for a deep dive into geopolymers, biochar, soil health, alternative history, and the oddities of conventional narratives about carbon, ancient civilizations, and technology. The trio blends practical insights on soil amendment with speculative and sometimes provocative takes on history, social engineering, and the mysteries of perceived reality. Expect a mix of practical gardening advice, irreverent humor, and bold challenges to mainstream science and history.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Biochar: What It Is and Why It Matters

• Definition & Creation (00:46 – 02:32)
  • Owen introduces biochar as 'fixed carbon' made in an oxygenless environment—much more stable than regular charcoal (“stable for up to about 15,000 years”).
  • He elaborates on its difference: “Charcoal, they're usually doing pit burns where a lot of oxygen goes ahead and works on the carbon, and it creates a secondary oxidative stress. This is fixed because there was no oxygen in the burn.” (00:52)
  • Water Filtration & Diamonds: Biochar, at a micro level, contains what amounts to micro-diamonds, aiding in structuring and filtering water, resulting in bigger yields — “we’re getting between four and five times the yield” using it. (01:37)

2. Carbon: Demonization Versus Reality

• “We’re made out of carbon!” (03:05)
  • Chris observes, “...the demonizing of carbon, and we're made out of carbon, so it almost seems like that bad dad that is like, blaming everything on the kids...”
  • The guests push back against narratives blaming carbon for climate change, calling for more carbon in soil, not less. (04:12)

3. Soil Life & Amazonian Agriculture

• The Secret of the Amazon Rainforest (05:07 – 06:32)

  • Owen describes pre-Columbian Amazon as “more agriculturally intensive than Asia,” citing “terra preta” (rich black soil created by indigenous agriculture with biochar).
  • The process: chop-and-drop agriculture, covered kilns, and infusing carbon into soils led to the thriving Amazon—contrasted with the man-made desertification of the Sahara through deforestation for construction materials.

• Quote:

  “When the trees came back in, there was all this carbon in the ground. And then that's why the Amazonian rainforest is as massive as it is.” – Owen (06:14)

4. Ancient Construction & Geopolymers

• How Pyramids and Megastructures Were Really Built (06:52 – 15:37)

  • Instead of the “slaves and rollers” narrative, the team details Davidovitz’s theory: pyramids and ancient walls were cast in place as geopolymers, made from blended natural materials and minerals (volcanic/fly ash, natron, clay, and sand), not quarried stone blocks.
  • They note archaeological evidence, such as notches and spiral ramps inside pyramids and structures worldwide, support this construction method.
  • “...the geopolymers, they get harder over time. Same with Roman aqueducts.” – Christopher (09:56)

• Logistics & Architecture

  • Real-world building experience (Owen’s domes and Chris’s gardening structures) reveals the immense challenges of “moving heavy things on undeveloped land,” supporting the idea that ancient builders used lighter, cast materials on site (17:17).
  • “The last thing that you can do on a piece of land that has no roads is build something heavy.” – Owen (17:17)

5. Modern Applications & Technological Parallels

• Biochar in Modern Construction and EMF Shielding (18:58 – 20:13)

  • When mixed with concrete, biochar improves the medium and even blocks electromagnetic frequencies (EMF), including 5G:

    “We've literally been able to get the internals of rooms and buildings to zero [EMF]... Especially 5G won't [penetrate].” – Owen (19:31)

• Graphene & Cloud Seeding (20:30 – 21:56)

  • The team discusses graphene’s “villainization” and its dual use – as a superior conductor and as a reflective element in paints or dispersants (e.g. for weather/climate modification).
  • Owen advocates for precise legal terminology: “If you use the word cloud seeding and high atmospheric aerosol dispersant, then you could actually have legislation that would actually do something.” (21:44)

6. Data Centers, Geoengineering, and Land Devaluation

• Texas Floods and the Data Spine (22:56 – 25:48)
  • Large, engineered weather events are linked (speculatively) to clearing land for massive data centers: “They're devaluing the land by these controlled outbursts of rain or these controlled outbursts of fire in these very specific farm [areas]... Sell it to us, you know, pennies on the dollar.”
  • Chris and Owen note how deep-rooted native grasses prevent flooding and how loss of grasslands leads to water management issues. (26:04)

7. Savannahs, Grasslands, & Forest Management

• The benefits of grasslands and balanced tree management:
  • Burning native grasses (prescribed fire) fixes carbon and regenerates the landscape. (26:38)
  • Aggressive young tree removal benefits older trees and soil health:

    “They’re competing for the very limited nutrient base... You need 12ft in every direction. With no saplings.” – Owen (29:08)

8. Nature, Presence, and Vibrational Encounters

• The conversation turns philosophical:
  • Presence in Nature: Being calm and present draws wildlife closer; animals are sensitive to human energy (“if I just settle down and I'm just, like, present, then [the animals] are like, bro.”) (30:49)
  • Nature as a “healer” and a “no lies” zone. (32:51)

9. Alternative History: The US as the True “Holy Land”

• Bold Claims on Biblical Geography (34:36 – 39:20)
  • Owen floats the idea that the Western US is the real “Holy Land” of the Bible, the Redwoods are the “Cedars of Lebanon,” and Salt Lake is the Dead Sea:

    “I really think that the Holy Land was the western United States, actually where we are right now... that area fits that [biblical narrative] so much better.” – Owen (35:51)

  • “Florida was the Garden of Eden... only place in the world that grows gopher wood.” (38:43–39:14)

10. Narrative Inversions & Social Engineering

• Questioning Mainstream Narratives
  • The guests point out recurring societal inversions: blaming carbon, fat, or salt for health woes—while ancient wisdom and modern evidence suggest otherwise. (41:08)
  • They speculate about base-level social engineering that keeps people from seeing these “truths.” (42:06)

11. CERN, Vortexes, and Portals

• Speculative Physics and Reality (43:17 – 45:46)
  • Positioning CERN as a “gateway” built on ancient sacred ground (Mount Hermon), possibly creating “portals” or “vortexes” through particle collisions.

12. Mandela Effect and Nature of Reality

• Debating Objective vs. Infinite Realities (45:49 – 49:17)
  • The group shares examples of Mandela Effects (Curious George, C-3PO, Franco Colombo/u) and discusses whether reality is objective or if each person experiences a unique cut:

    “There is objective reality, and I think we're all trying to find... objective reality because each one of us, none of us are ever going to experience each other's realities.” – Owen (47:27)

13. Flow State, Identity & Ego

• Performance, Presence, and “The Zone” (49:32 – 52:07)
  • Athletic and artistic achievement demand ego, but flow state is “effortlessness”—the “being” overtakes the “doing.”
  • “When you’re operating at a high level, you do kind of disappear.” – Christopher (51:46)

14. Closing: Biochar Promotion & Further Resources (57:02 – 58:13)

• Owen plugs his company, Black Hole Biochar (“not charcoal!... we isolate the outside environment... we get the really good stuff with all the nano diamonds”), as well as his podcast, Biocharisma.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Biochar’s Longevity & Impact:

  “This is stable for up to about 15,000 years.” – Owen (00:52)

• On Demonizing Carbon:

  “We're made out of carbon... it almost seems like that bad dad that is like, blaming everything on the kids.” – Christopher (03:45)

• Amazon’s Engineered Abundance:

  “What they saw was they would essentially do a chop and drop system... kilns look like tandoori ovens... That was the way the Amazonian culture was able to grow and be so massive.” – Owen (05:29)

• Construction of the Pyramids:

  “They're molded geopolymers... they made the stone and poured it.” – Christopher (07:06)
  “I've made geopolymers... it’s a pretty labor intensive.” – Owen (10:06)

• EMF Shielding:

  “We've literally been able to get the internals of rooms and buildings to zero [EMF].” – Owen (19:42)

• Graphene in Geopolitics:

  “Graphene is going to be like the direction that most computing goes because of how efficient the signal and the electrical current can be sent.” – Owen (20:30)

• Data Centers and Weather Manipulation:

  “They're devaluing the land by these controlled outbursts of rain or these controlled outbursts of fire in these very specific farm...” – Owen (24:58)

• On Grasslands and Savannas:

  “Savannas are a very large ecotone... that's where all the life is... because the birds don't necessarily need trees, they need low grass.” – Owen (26:53)
  “All those new little trees that are starting to sprout up, they're competing for the... nutrients.” – Owen (28:42)

• Redwoods as Cedars of Lebanon:

  “I think the redwoods are the cedars of Lebanon... I really think that the Holy Land was the western United States.” – Owen (34:50–35:51)

• Mandela Effect:

  “I'm. I've been Mandela affected.” – Owen (46:04)
  “In my reality, it was Always Nelson Mandeli.” – Christopher (46:07)

• On Flow State:

  “During the flow state, I wasn't doing it right. It was happening.” – Owen (50:09)
  “When you're operating at a high level, you do kind of disappear.” – Christopher (51:46)

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Memorable Moments

• Chris tries to grow citrus in Idaho indoors, Owen teases him for complaining about citrus. (03:39–04:00)
• Jokes about “horses, wagons, and pulleys” not building Philly City Hall or the pyramids. (09:20)
• Lively banter about the “Mandela Effect” and which reality is “real.” (45:49–47:23)
• Discussion of kids bone-smashing and looksmaxing, with real concern for young people. (53:26–54:46)
• Live streaming by the “live stream”—Chris’s tongue-in-cheek way to get around deplatforming. (33:15–33:46)

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Resources & Further Engagement

• Owen Benjamin’s Biochar:
  Blackolebiochar.com – Premium biochar, “not charcoal,” made with strict oxygen isolation, contains “nano diamonds” (57:20)
• Biocharisma Podcast – Frequent deep dives into soil, construction, and alchemical wisdom (57:59)

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This wide-ranging conversation is a blend of practical gardening/building tips, critiques of historical and scientific consensus, playful but pointed skepticism, and philosophical musings on reality, all delivered with humor and irreverence.

Transcript

[Host]

The Bible has a lot to do

[Owen]

with the US Especially the Old Testament. I am of the mind that the Old Testament was the US when you look at the level of destruction, especially here in Nevada and heading south, like.

[Christopher]

Yeah. Like, a lot of those mountains look a lot. Like some pyramids that didn't work out.

[Owen]

Yeah. Some desertification when you read about the Titans. And then you kind of, like, mesh that with the Old Testament, there's a lot of the, like, demigod Titan, Nephilim, that works really well in the geography here.

[Host]

All right, guys, here with Owen and Christopher, we're going to talk soil today. Yes. Let's do it, man. You brought some. I did here. Right.

[Owen]

Some biochar, to be exact. I'm sort of a snob about the. The carbon.

[Host]

So what does this do exactly?

[Owen]

Well, biochar is actually fixed carbon, and we fix it in an oxygenless environment so it's super stable. So it's not like charcoal, like a lot of people. Biochar and charcoal mixed up charcoal, they're usually doing pit burns where a lot of oxygen goes ahead and works on the carbon, and it creates a secondary oxidative stress. This is fixed because there was no oxygen in the burn. So apparently this is stable for up to about 15,000 years. Damn. Yeah.

[Host]

That's a long time.

[Christopher]

That's a very long time, gardener.

[Owen]

Holy crap. So it makes it a cumulative thing. So when you add it to your garden, your soil space, that it will. It won't go away unless it gets washed away.

[Host]

I need to buy some of this. We got it. Garden at the house now.

[Owen]

Oh, no.

[Christopher]

Dude, you got a guard. And this thing, this filters water really well.

[Owen]

Yeah, yeah. The water filtration thing we're finding is probably its biggest benefit because we're getting between four and five times the yield. And the science now is coming back with it, and it's because of the way this structures water. Everybody's heard of carbon filters. The. When you get a carbon filter that's actually made out of biochar or activated carbon, the filtration and the structuring of the water is even greater. And it's because we're finding that on a micro level, you know, we were all told as kids that diamonds are essentially carbon that was compressed. Well in the making of the biochar, you get, like, really, really, really small diamonds. And so you know how, like, people would decant alcohols, different types of alcohols, and like a crystal vase or something like that. This is kind of decanting the water that Runs through it through a diamond vase. That's a. It's a good way of looking at it.

[Host]

Wow. So there's actual diamonds coming out.

[Owen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have some pictures on Instagram. Holy crap. And yeah. Of like. Because I've never had it analyzed till just this last year. And now that we're seeing it at a micro level and seeing all the diamonds in it, it's pretty amazing. That's insane.

[Christopher]

Yeah. And what got me interested in this stuff is one, the farming, but also the social engineering around carbon, because the demonizing of carbon, and we're made out of carbon, so it almost seems like that bad dad that is like, blaming everything on the kids. Like, oh, my life would be better without these kids. And we're just like, yeah, we're kids.

[Owen]

Exactly. Yeah, I'm carbon.

[Christopher]

Yeah, I'm carbon, man.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Christopher]

And so in the way I look at the wizard stuff and the social engineering, I'm like, so car. You know? And then when he started talking about how we have a carbon deficit.

[Owen]

Yes.

[Christopher]

I got interested. That's why I wanted you guys to hang, because I'm like, more people should know about this stuff because it's true. If you. If you grow plants with this or even just put it on top of fruit trees and stuff, it's just the yield grows.

[Host]

My fruit tree just died, so I need it.

[Christopher]

What kind of fruit tree was it?

[Host]

It was lemon. I have lemon, pomegranate. Pomegranate and orange.

[Christopher]

Must be nice to be citrus.

[Owen]

You're not allowed to talk badly about citrus around.

[Christopher]

I love citrus.

[Owen]

HE BURTS on the internal level.

[Christopher]

I can't grow it in Idaho. I'm trying, but. Yeah, it's too cold. Oh, it's too cold. I am inside, though. I put a lot of effort into my orange tree.

[Host]

Okay.

[Christopher]

But I love oranges, man. Good for you.

[Host]

Out here, we can only grow citrus because it's too hot.

[Owen]

That's true.

[Host]

You know, we need stuff with a skin.

[Owen]

Well, out here, too. You don't have much carbon in the ground anyway. The desert, for the most part. I mean, I'm sure you're buying topsoil and things like that from. But what makes. Usually what makes. When you see really good soil, it looks dark, Right?

[Host]

Right.

[Owen]

Well, the dark componentry of it is this black carbon. And so usually what makes the. The soil alive is the fact that you have this little structured carbon in there, and that attracts all your microrhiza, which is your fungus, and it attracts all the good bacteria. So, like, you know, you Just had Zach Bush on. The whole thing is about having the probiotics in your gut and all. That really helps everything happen. Well, it's the same thing in our soil. Our soil needs to have the probiotic content for it to do all the work.

[Christopher]

Yeah. That's almost like a perfect empty condominium.

[Owen]

It is.

[Christopher]

And all the best, you know, bacteria move in there. So if you. You mix that with some, like, good, you know, compost and some animal manure and stuff, it's. It's a gold mine.

[Host]

Incredible. I know you got a lot of land, so you're doing this.

[Christopher]

Oh, yeah, yeah. And you can just turn, you know, wood chips into bio. Tell them about the rainforest.

[Owen]

Oh, yeah. The biomass. So, like, the way we actually make this is we just take wood chips from a wood mill and we cook it in these special kilns and that makes it. Well, the Amazonians did that. I think the conquistador started talking about the Amazonian agriculture in the early 1500s, and they said it was more intensive than even what they had seen in Asia.

[Host]

Damn.

[Owen]

So that was amazing. When I read that, I was like, whoa. And what they saw was they would essentially do a chop and drop system where they would grow the light demanding plants. The light demanders grow really fast. They would chop them, but they would chop them. So they would fall over these little kilns that they made. And then once all the kilns were covered, then they look like. Their kilns look like tandoori ovens. Once all the kilns were covered, then they would throw dirt on top of that to kind of seal it in. And then they would light the fire inside those little kilns and cook it down. And they wouldn't ever move it. And then after it was cooked down, then they would plant it. And so that was the way the Amazonian culture was able to grow and be so massive. Well, when the disease from the conquistadors took them out, the jungle reclaimed it. But they reclaimed. When the trees came back in, there was all this carbon in the ground. And then that's why the Amazonian rainforest is as massive as it is.

[Host]

That's nuts. That's not us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is a lot. It's the largest rainforest, right?

[Owen]

Yeah, it is. And it wasn't like that. That's the thing. Like, a lot of people are under the misnomer. Like, when we see something as it is now, we think it's always been that way. Like, the opposite happened in the Sahara. My. My professor in geopolymers he showed that the Sahara went away because when they were building the. The different pyramids in Northern Africa.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

They needed fly ash. So they started chopping the forest back there and they chopped so much of it down to create the fly ash for the geopolymer.

[Christopher]

Yeah. Like they poured the. You know, like we kind of did kind of solve the. The pyramid thing.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Christopher]

But it's. They're molded geopolymers. Like they made the. They made the stone and poured it. And so they were using all the trees to do that. And then it starts this vicious cycle where they don't get rain and then it becomes a desert. Versus the opposite happened in the Amazon.

[Host]

Okay.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

It wasn't aliens that built the pyramids.

[Owen]

No.

[Christopher]

I mean, you know, they might have looked a little like that with their head sizes, but whatever.

[Owen]

Yeah, more like the nephews. The nephews were building it.

[Host]

They had some nephilim or.

[Christopher]

Yeah, I think we might be related to them, so.

[Owen]

Me too.

[Christopher]

I mean, we're so. I mean. Yeah, we're tall enough people.

[Host]

Used to be nine feet back in the day.

[Christopher]

Yeah.

[Owen]

I have to watch my words around you.

[Christopher]

That's true. That's my n word is nephilim. How dare you.

[Owen]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, yeah, the. The rainforest as we know it now was not what was endemic to that area. It was actually, it happened to be a secondary growth off of the bioch that the Amazonians, because the Amazonian culture, the numbers that the conquistadors were saying were like in the. Upwards of like a hundred million people.

[Host]

What?

[Owen]

Yeah, right. It was massive. They said it was more culturally intensive, like agriculturally intensive than what they had seen in Asia.

[Host]

No way.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

That's hard to pick.

[Christopher]

Yeah. The pyramids there, like all that stuff that came from massive civilizations and now it's.

[Host]

Yeah, logically it has to be. Those things are giant.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

You can't make those today though, right? Not as advanced.

[Christopher]

Well, you could if you like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Owen]

That we were told a lot of things. Like there's like. I brought up Dr. Davidovitz earlier with the geopolymers. He's, you know, contracted to help, you know, a lot of military installations go in. So these things are being built. Just the public isn't really.

[Host]

Oh, so pyramids are being built.

[Owen]

Not necessarily pyramids, but let's just say geopolymer rich structures.

[Host]

Got it.

[Owen]

Because when people talk about tartarian structures, they talk about all these things that are, you know, are essentially indestructible and very old construction.

[Christopher]

Guys hate that because it costs so much to flip them, like break them down.

[Owen]

Yeah, yeah. Like, what was it, the,

[Christopher]

in Philadelphia,

[Owen]

the comptroller of Philadelphia, when he was telling the congressman of Philadelphia, hey, look, we all go bankrupt if we knock down city hall. We can't do it. That wasn't built by wage slaves. That was built by some other people that had.

[Christopher]

It wasn't horses and wagons and rollers

[Owen]

and horses and wagons and little come alongs and pulleys.

[Christopher]

Yeah.

[Host]

How the pyramids were built. Right.

[Christopher]

Slaves.

[Host]

No, that's what I would remember as a kid though, learning.

[Owen]

Yeah, yeah. We were all taught that. But like, like if you ever get a chance. Dr. Davidovitz is an incredible person. He was actually kicked out of Egypt from Zahari Hawass. I always.

[Host]

Oh, I know that guy.

[Owen]

Yeah, yeah, he's the, he's the, the big guy that's, you know, pushing the slave narrative of Northern Africa. But that in 1979 he had figured out what I'm talking about with the pyramid. 1979. Holy shit.

[Christopher]

Yeah. And the geopolymers, they get harder over time. Same with Roman aqueducts.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Christopher]

And so they're just like, no one knows how. And it's like, you can make this stuff.

[Owen]

Yeah. Like I've made geopolymers. I'm actually here in, in Las Vegas to actually go to. I'm this Thursday I'm going to go talk with my geopolymer producer. I'm actually going to be interviewing for my pod. So I'm excited to see that their plant and how they're doing it because I've made them myself. But it's, it's a pretty labor intensive.

[Host]

How does that process work to make one?

[Owen]

You have to find volcanic ash. I can't just buy that. Pozolanic ash. Depends. Like where I lived in Central America, I could get it. Most of the cement companies used instead of fly ash, they used volcanic ash. That's why the cement down there was so good. But the main thing that's hard to get is this, this, this substrate called natron and natron mixed with fly ash or some other high heat ash mix.

[Christopher]

Sounds like a rapper. Natron.

[Owen]

Natron.

[Christopher]

What up? Natron?

[Owen]

Yeah, natron, silica. Like a sand. Some sort of sand and then also a very, very highly rich calcium bentonite clay. Those are your substrate for geopolymers.

[Host]

Got it.

[Owen]

So like the areas in, near Rome where you have all these old aqueducts and things like that that are geopolymers, they had the pozzolan the volcano called pozzolan. So they used pozzolanic ash. They were, you know, on the Mediterranean. So they had tons of sand and they also had tons of crustaceans. And the reason why Zahari Hawass got so pissed off at my teacher was that, you know, they pushed this whole narrative that, oh, northern Africa was flooded. That's why we find seashells at the base of the Sphinx, in the base of the pyramids on the.

[Christopher]

That's such a crazy call to be like. It must be like it was flooded by an ocean.

[Owen]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host]

What an assumption.

[Christopher]

Yeah, totally.

[Owen]

Davidovitz was like, no, you dip. I don't know if I'm allowed to curse here. Yeah, no, you dipshit. They actually use the crustaceans that were in the Nile river, the calcium bentonite clays right there. They deforested and pulled all the fly ash right there in the largest natron deposit in the world in Northern Africa. Here it is.

[Christopher]

There it is.

[Owen]

And this is the cool thing. They dry mixed it.

[Host]

What's up?

[Owen]

So whenever you're doing concrete work, what makes it so heavy is. It's wet.

[Christopher]

Oh.

[Owen]

So he was able to show. Because any archaeologist will tell you, no, the cities that were alive when these were being built were not slave cities. They were artisan cities. They find all this higher.

[Christopher]

All slaves do is bitch anyway. I mean, I hate working with slaves. They're just like, why do you keep whipping me? I'm like, because I know you can work harder.

[Owen]

Yeah, exactly.

[Christopher]

Like, they don't do a good job.

[Owen]

You have too much time for music and.

[Christopher]

Yeah, yeah.

[Owen]

So. So they were able to show, like, the.

[Christopher]

The.

[Owen]

In archaeologically that the people that were building these things were not under the whip. And so David was able to show. No, no. They would dry mix it and they'd hoof it up. And they had forms because whether you're in South. South America or in Egypt even, they found this in Gobekli Tepe in Turkey. Wherever these pyramids are, you'll see that there's a little indention against each rock.

[Christopher]

Yeah, I've seen those.

[Owen]

And so that's that.

[Christopher]

That's in Montana, too. Have you seen that wall? Oh, dude, I don't want to sidetrack because he's making a point, but, like, there's massive, multi ton, perfect, like, wall in Montana, near where I live. And they're just. People are claiming it's like a natural phenomenon. It looks. It's insane. Rogan's covered it so people know about it. But it's like, but they. All those little notches.

[Owen]

That little notch is like, I do construction. I have a construction company. And whenever you're doing a free form pour.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

You have these forms that you have to lean something against it. So when you do your pour, it doesn't.

[Host]

Got it. Got it.

[Owen]

And literally the notch is on every single one. So you just know that they did the dry mix from the top, they poured the water in, they let the heat of the day come because the casing stones on the outside were black. And also when you look at the side cut of the pyramid, it actually looks like a massive rocket stove, which is another love of mine. And so what Davidovits was able to show was they heated it from the inside with the rocket stove type thing. And then the, the heat from the sun heated the outside. It was able to raise the temperature of the geopolymer to a sufficient heat where it set much faster. And they just worked their way. And he, he predicted, he said you'll find a spiral. Because for years and years and years people were saying, oh no, we, we've mapped every single part of the Great Pyramid.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

He's like, no, no, you'll find that there's. There, there should be a spiral going to the very top to where you know the.

[Host]

Wow.

[Owen]

And they found it.

[Host]

No way.

[Owen]

Yeah, it's there.

[Host]

The spirals on the inside of the pyramid.

[Owen]

On the inside. Because think about it, if you're building like the way he said they were building, you'd be working like this as you were working to peak.

[Host]

Like a staircase almost.

[Owen]

Yeah. Like all of us have seen like the conical shapes. Like a pyramid is just an octagon. They, most people think it's a cubicle at the base, but it's an octagon. But just a four sided cone is the best way of saying it. And to get the energy or the material all the way to the peak, you'd move in a spiral. And so that was another one.

[Christopher]

It's like an inside scaffolding kind of.

[Owen]

Exactly.

[Christopher]

Yeah.

[Owen]

That's the path that you'd have to take to position all the dry material to have it cure.

[Christopher]

Yeah. I find this stuff so fascinating. He built a dome at our campground that we do, the Bertarin campground. And now I'm just so interested in building techniques because it's just like when I was at the Vatican, I remember just being like, this is not like how I've been taught construction works. Like there's. And I just love building stuff, you know. It's like, it's. It's fun.

[Owen]

Yeah. These structures that were built were like. I mean, as somebody. My dad was an architect. My sister's an architect. Like, I've been in that world my entire life. And the stories that we're given with how things are built are. It's not bullshit. Yeah.

[Host]

I wonder why that happened.

[Owen]

Well, it's because they.

[Christopher]

The.

[Owen]

I think the social engineering is that we're the apex.

[Christopher]

Right, Right, right. Doesn't get any better than us, man.

[Owen]

We're the apex. Our little electronic doohickeys.

[Christopher]

That's the way they didn't have Red Bill or roller.

[Owen]

Oh, exactly. And so, like, when you look at these older structures and God knows how old these things are, like, they're getting better with time. And any of the stuff we build does not get better with time.

[Host]

Facts.

[Christopher]

So it's like my pickleball court, you know, you always have to fix cracks. It's not. These guys.

[Owen]

No.

[Christopher]

2,000 years old. It's perfect.

[Owen]

And the thing is, too, is I built in Central America, so I've built in conditions where I'm more akin to knowing what it would be like being a frontiersman building something. And I will tell you, the last thing that you can do on a piece of land that has no roads is build something heavy. Right.

[Christopher]

It sinks.

[Owen]

It all sinks, including you trying to get the material to the.

[Host]

I didn't even think about that.

[Christopher]

It's all logistics is where you see the devil. You know what I mean? It's all the details.

[Owen]

Yeah. Like, I literally had to invent a way of building because I lived in the mushiest of the mush in Central America because I could not get heavy materials to site.

[Christopher]

Yeah. And D.C. is in a swamp.

[Owen]

Exactly.

[Christopher]

And there's this beautiful dome. The funniest thing, he was like, Nick Saban, kicker. Like, he's that all American kick, like, in a saying. But he just got really into, like, the arcs of the domes.

[Owen]

Yeah. Yeah. No, because, like. Like, my. My position was, like, as a kicker, you're always watching trajectory and arcing. Trajectory and arcing.

[Host]

Right.

[Owen]

I mean, without a doubt. Like, I used to catch punts from Reggie Roby, who was like an all pro punter in the NFL. My punters at my. At my college, like, they would punt balls or 80 yards in the air, and you. I would just watch the arc. And then so I got really fascinated with the arches.

[Christopher]

Yeah. So, like, that dome, like the Congress dome, like, how hard would that be to build in a swamp?

[Owen]

Impossible.

[Christopher]

Yeah.

[Owen]

We just built a 42 foot dome which is half the size of what they built in, in, in in Washington in a 42 foot diameter dome. We had a crane boom. That was 60ft tall. And we were building that only four feet off the ground.

[Christopher]

Yeah. And double. It gets exponentially harder too.

[Owen]

Exponentially harder. And that was just the trellis of the frame.

[Christopher]

Yeah.

[Owen]

I wasn't even doing all the masonry work.

[Christopher]

Yeah. And then having all those like naked dude

[Owen]

sculptures.

[Host]

Jeez.

[Christopher]

Jeez.

[Owen]

That would be the fun part.

[Christopher]

That's hilarious.

[Host]

Holy crap.

[Owen]

Yeah. So there's a lot to consider. And one of the things with the, with the carbon. That's really cool. Part of what got me into carbon was this as a building amendment is amazing. Like when we add this to concrete, because most concrete or cement is the binder in concrete. It's very, very calcium rich. And so looking into the geopolymer science and then looking into the concrete science was like, oh my God, if I gave that, that calcium carbon. Now we're cooking with gas.

[Christopher]

And it blocks EMFs and stuff too.

[Owen]

Totally blocks. This is the magic, because I've had to build for very EMF sensitive people and we've literally been able to get the internals of rooms and buildings to zero.

[Host]

No way. Zero is not even penetrating.

[Owen]

No. Especially 5G won't. 5G is a very short wave.

[Christopher]

Damn.

[Owen]

And so it's actually not that hard to block if you have enough of this. It's actually not a volume thing. It's actually a size thing because these are all these. Like the best way you could think of it is supercomputers and things like that are starting to use activated carbon as the conductors because it, it can actually send a signal with zero latency.

[Host]

Wow.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

That's nuts.

[Christopher]

That's awesome.

[Owen]

And because there's zero latency and you can send ampage through it too, with almost zero resistance. So I think it is zero resistance, but depending on manufacturing processes. So the big no, no word that you hear, especially in the truth of world, is graphene.

[Christopher]

Ooh.

[Owen]

Graphene is evil. Well, graphene is going to be like the direction that most computing goes because of how efficient the signal and the electrical current can be sent. Well, when we actually put that in a chaotic mess like say within paint, that same thing that will send a signal and be able to receive a signal with zero latency will also reflect a signal if it's tangential to where the signal is coming from. Does that make sense?

[Host]

Yeah, that's not. Wait, why is graphene evil, though. Why do people say that?

[Christopher]

Well, they're. That because they. They put it in shots and stuff.

[Owen]

Well, they put it in shots and a lot of the weather modification that's used, they spray graphene because it's.

[Host]

Oh, in the chemtrails.

[Owen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like to say a high aerosol apostolic dispersant. No, I say that specifically because there's this huge movement like the states like Tennessee and Florida, where we've banned chemtrails, yet everybody there still sees chemtrails. And it's because the word chemtrail is actually not the right word for what we're seeing. What we're seeing up there. The streaks in the sky is technically. And if people brought legislation with the right word, it would actually make all the difference in the world.

[Christopher]

But when they just switch it again now, they love switching the definition.

[Owen]

If they use the word cloud seeding, you use the two words, cloud seeding and high atmospheric aerosol dispersant. If you use those two things, then you could actually have legislation that would actually do something.

[Christopher]

It's like Rumpelstiltskin. Yeah, it's like, oh, you got my name.

[Owen]

Well, you know how legal this.

[Christopher]

Yeah, of course, of course. Yeah. So like, like image, like when they're like, look at this image from NASA. Image. The definition of image is not reality. It's like a idea put in, you know, it's not a photograph. You have to say photograph. Image is not like real.

[Owen]

That's so true.

[Host]

That's a good one.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

I wouldn't even think about that.

[Christopher]

Imagination. Image.

[Owen]

Exactly.

[Host]

Damn.

[Owen]

Yeah. So like they'll use this in. In modifying the weather. Weather modification. Geoengineering is a great term in the geoengineering because it. As a condensation nuclei, like something that attracts water. It's perfect for storing water in the sky. So like NASA like 25 years ago was saying, we're going to store all the water in the future is going to be stored in the sky because they can make these nanoparticulates of this. They put it up in the air and they can drive this very easily with signals. So they can store water up in the atmosphere. Wow.

[Christopher]

Yeah. And water can hold data. It's a direct metaphor of the icloud.

[Owen]

And that's cloud seeding is not. Is not just for moving the liquid, it's actually for moving.

[Host]

And can they release the water on demand from the.

[Owen]

On demand?

[Host]

No way. They did just make it rain.

[Owen]

Absolutely.

[Host]

Holy shit.

[Owen]

Well, there's so many. I mean, so the whole thing happened in central Texas. Right. You know how many months ago, the hurricane or whatever. No, in central Texas they had it

[Christopher]

rain for 30 days, just like 30 days straight. I don't know how I know how many days there was. It was insane.

[Owen]

They essentially got a year's worth of rain in like a few hours there. And it killed a bunch of kids. Like it did all this damage in central.

[Christopher]

I might be thinking of one a few years ago.

[Owen]

They've done it a lot.

[Christopher]

They do it a lot in Texas.

[Host]

Like Texas.

[Owen]

Well, Texas is. Because it's part of the news. The central data corridor.

[Host]

I don't even know.

[Owen]

So there's a corridor.

[Christopher]

Rabbit hole to. Rabbit hole.

[Owen]

Yeah. Like years ago they were talking about the whole thing with cafta, nafta, about having this highway from all the way down from South America all the way to the tar pits of Canada. Okay. And I like it was in seeing where all these floods are and I live in the central part of the United States too, and seeing where all these massive farms are going out of business. And then when my biochar company were helping the state of Iowa remediate a lot of their water problems from big agriculture and what's Iowa telling me from their legislature, they've approved something like 200 data centers. And so when you look at all of the different data centers in all the different states, it's down that same highway that they were talking about years ago that I thought was going to be like an actual highway. It's the information highway. And they're literally putting it right up the spine of the Americas. And so what they're doing now is they're devaluing the land by these controlled outbursts of rain or these controlled outbursts of fire in these very specific farm

[Christopher]

in this flooded area.

[Owen]

Exactly. Why are, you know, sell it to us, you know, pennies on the dollar. Because it's not worth anything.

[Christopher]

Climate change, I mean, it's. Everything's getting so chaotic out there.

[Owen]

But again, it's because carbon is killing you now. Oh no, no.

[Christopher]

But aren't I made out of carbon?

[Owen]

Exactly. You could kind of see how it's all like tied together. Yeah, yeah. So the data centers are a really big deal. And right down the center of Texas, I forget how many have been approved for that. It's that because everything with data is about trunk lines. You know, there's not so many of these satellites that we have up there in space. They still need the. If, if we're going to be pulling all this data and creating all this data, we still need a central area to actually distribute it from. And so that's why you see the center of the United States kind of being gutted right now. Wow.

[Host]

So move out of Texas, huh?

[Owen]

Well, it's kind of funny who they've attracted there, but you could.

[Christopher]

You could still survive all this stuff, though. It's just, you know, you gotta have good grass. I know another. Another thing, but grass with really deep roots, it doesn't flood, so.

[Host]

Oh, really?

[Owen]

Yeah, it acts like a sponge.

[Host]

So you need old grass.

[Owen]

We're bringing the savannah back. Like the. What would you.

[Christopher]

Yeah, like it's like six inches an hour versus like a quarter inch an hour. So, like old grass, you don't flood. That's why cement golf courses like these places, it makes really easy to flood.

[Owen]

Yeah, yeah, you get the flash flooding because the water has nowhere to go. Right.

[Host]

Got some grass, guys.

[Owen]

Absolutely. Good grass. Yeah, yeah, good grass.

[Christopher]

Some legit old school grass.

[Owen]

Yeah, the native grasses been working with a company there where we've been supplying them with biochar to do testing. Yeah, because one thing about the grasses too, was the natives used to burn it.

[Christopher]

Why?

[Owen]

Well, they would burn it because they would see that it would actually once again, fix the carbon.

[Christopher]

Yeah, burns are good.

[Owen]

Yeah, yeah. The roots would. Because when you burn, they would burn topside. But the deeper the roots were, the new shoots, which.

[Christopher]

Yeah, it won't even.

[Owen]

Okay, the grass doesn't die. It was just. You're essentially giving the ground back biomass. And in our area of Missouri, where we're just west of the Mississippi, was a savannah. And the savannah was known as, like savannas are a very large ecotone. It's when you move from forest to the plains, that's where all the life is. That's where all the life is. Because that's where all the boundaries. Yeah, because the birds. The birds don't necessarily need trees. They need low grass. And so all of your big hooved animals and things like that eat that grass. So you end up having this, you know, agglomeration of all these different animal types that are all symbiotic with each other. And then also the grasses give incredible sight lines to the predators. You don't get the same thing in forests, especially forests that weren't native to that.

[Christopher]

Yeah, it's. That's. It's like the light comes in, but yet they have the protection. It's like the coral reef of land, the savannah, you know, it's like. Like all the life is near the coast kind of where you have the coral reef, where you have, like, the light, but you also have the protection.

[Owen]

Yeah, that's a great way of putting it.

[Christopher]

Thanks, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like working with Ursa Rio, I see that, like, I'll take out some trees and I see more life come in. Because at first I'm like, I don't want to take out trees. It's the forest. Yeah. Because it attracts grass, birds, light.

[Host]

Wow.

[Christopher]

Yeah. And then the big trees get bigger.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

Your beach, it's awesome. Yeah. And we have. There's so much evidence of really massive trees at one point. But, like, when you have a lot of grass, you don't have what the. Whenever you buy forested land, which I've bought in many different countries, is the first thing that when you're talking to the conservationist is like, oh, you have to clear out these saplings. And I thought, like, growing up with the whole programming that I had that that was like, never, never touch a tree. And actually, it's actually the exact.

[Host]

Is it?

[Christopher]

Yeah.

[Owen]

No. All those new little trees that are starting to sprout up, they're competing for the very limited nutrient base in the soil against the bigger tree around it. So they say for every inch of, like, say, an oak tree per se, you take that in a foot to the next tree that's closest to it. So just by example, if you have a 12 foot, you know, at the base tree.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

You need 12ft in every direction. With no saplings.

[Host]

They need that much.

[Owen]

They need that much.

[Host]

Holy crap.

[Owen]

At least that. That's the. Yeah.

[Christopher]

And other stuff can grow there. It just. It's more like lower nitrogen fixing stuff. Yeah, yeah.

[Owen]

Just pollinators.

[Christopher]

Yeah, pollinators.

[Owen]

Because you need your pollinators in the forest, and that's a big problem we have with these overgrown forests, is that there's not enough pollinators. The reason why the bees and the birds are going away. Yes, there's glyphosate. Yes. There's all this other stuff, but the main thing is, is the pollinators that used to be in the grasslands. Well, there's very little grasslands left because there's very little carbon.

[Christopher]

Yeah, it comes back fast. It's like, I just. I plant a lot of wildflowers and it's like, bang. Bees, birds. It's almost like they're waiting somewhere where they're like, okay, yeah, yeah. It's so weird how fast it returns.

[Host]

Garden bees and birds everywhere. Hummingbirds.

[Christopher]

Yeah, everywhere.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Christopher]

Hummingbirds are amazing. Do they have Hummingbirds. I love hummingbirds.

[Host]

Yeah, they might be my favorite bird, honestly.

[Christopher]

Me too.

[Host]

They're so innocent.

[Owen]

Yeah, they're pretty prolific.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

Like, in the area. The last two areas I live, whether it's Costa Rica or central Missouri, they're. They're. They're there.

[Christopher]

Yeah. They gotta eat, like, every seven minutes.

[Host]

What?

[Owen]

Yes.

[Christopher]

Yeah.

[Host]

That sucks.

[Christopher]

Like, there's something. There's something a little junky messy about them, but I still love that they're like, dude, you got pollen.

[Owen]

You got pollen. Yeah.

[Christopher]

I love them, though.

[Owen]

And the more pollinators you have. I live on a lake, and we have lots of, like, natural pollinators because of the lake. And they're. They're everywhere, and they bring such a cool vibration when they fly by you. It's almost like an energetic.

[Christopher]

Yeah, no, that's what I love about. About the. Yeah, no, they're so cool.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Christopher]

And they seem almost curious. They're like, what's up, dude?

[Owen]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Christopher]

You good? Okay, I'm out of here.

[Owen]

Well, I've done the experiment. Like, when my mind's too busy, they'll. They'll definitely, like, you know, flee. But, like, if I just settle down and I'm just, like, present, then they're like, bro.

[Christopher]

I try to tell that to people, but it sounds almost too intense. But it's so true. I'm like, yeah, your vibe will attract different animals and insects. A hundred percent.

[Owen]

Oh, yeah.

[Christopher]

In my opinion. I know that sounds intact, but I'm in nature all the time, and it's just like, when you're just present, it'll be like, oh, no way. Hey, Mr. Squirrel. You know, and when you're not. They're like, not there. It's weird.

[Owen]

I noticed this the most with deer. Like, the deer, because every morning, there's deer by my property. I'm walking my. My golden retriever, and he wants to make friends with every animal. And so, like, I noticed that the deer. If I'm, like, listening to, like, a podcast, and I'm like, not present, the deer flee. Like, they don't. They don't like the not present vibration. But if I'm not and I'm just walking my dog and I'm being present with my dog and I'm listening to nature, the deer will just hover.

[Christopher]

Totally.

[Owen]

They just like. They're just like, you know, they're. They're very curious.

[Christopher]

They are.

[Owen]

But they're only curious if you're present.

[Christopher]

Yeah.

[Host]

100. I wonder what that is. You must be giving off a certain energy Field.

[Owen]

Well, I think because they're so present, like, you know, I have this, like, thing in physics is, like, frequency is location. So when you're present, you're actually in the nature vibe. Because I think everything in nature is present. But, like, when you're not present and your mind is, you know, wherever or scattered, then when you're coming into contact with it, it wants to flee because you're not in its. In its median tongue. Wow.

[Christopher]

Yeah.

[Host]

They say nature is healing, though.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Christopher]

Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. That's awesome.

[Owen]

Yeah. I find for. For me, like, I've seen it over and over and over again in many different settings, where if I'm just present and I'm just in observation mode, the amount of natural life that will actually make itself known is. Is much greater than when I'm.

[Host]

That's so fascinating.

[Christopher]

Yeah. There's no lies in nature. That's what's so healing about it. For me, it just is what it is. Yeah.

[Owen]

Yes.

[Christopher]

It's awesome.

[Host]

Yeah. I want to get to your level one day when I'm just in nature all day.

[Christopher]

Yeah. I mean, you garden, right?

[Host]

Yeah, but I think living in Vegas, it's. It's tough, but, yeah, I do.

[Christopher]

It's still nature here that. I mean, deserts are beautiful, you know? Yeah, absolutely.

[Host]

Yeah. You got red rock out here.

[Owen]

I think the desert is incredible.

[Christopher]

Yeah. That's still nature.

[Owen]

I love your livestream. By Livestream.

[Christopher]

Yeah. Have you seen that? My. I. So. So I got this land where I have this, like, river, and I'm like. And there's mountains in the background, and it looks like a green screen. And so I live stream by the live stream. I. I. Because I got deplatformed before, so I. I physically built a platform, and I live stream with a live stream, and it's just so relaxing. Like, it doesn't even matter what I'm talking about. People just want to see the river flow.

[Host]

Oh, okay.

[Christopher]

And it's, like, filled with, like, fish, and it's just, like, really cool.

[Host]

It's in your backyard.

[Christopher]

Well, I got land up north a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Like, when we'd have meetups and stuff, like, listener meetups and stuff. We'd have, like, campground. And my. My wife calls them Internet friends, so they're not technically allowed at my house.

[Owen]

That's true.

[Christopher]

So we got this. And we had outdoor friends before. Like. Like, I've had some friends that are, like, you know, like, veterans that are just super intense. I love them, but my wife's like, they're Outdoor friends.

[Owen]

Yes.

[Christopher]

Like, we can sit at a fire. Don't bring them in, Sock. No, because one time we did bring one of them inside, and he was just like. And he was just like, there's a bunch of kids around, too. And he was like, do you know how many people I've. I'm like, okay, we're going outside.

[Host]

That's nice.

[Owen]

No pink mist.

[Christopher]

Yeah, we don't talk about pink, Mr. Hypocrisy from Hillary Clinton in Inside. Yeah.

[Host]

You mentioned trees earlier. I did want to ask you about the redwoods, because those are giant.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

They're kind of close to each other, right?

[Owen]

Well, I don't know. I've never been there. I've only seen pictures. I. I have a lot of theories about those particular.

[Christopher]

What's the theories? Well, you got that look in your eye. You got some gravy. What is it?

[Owen]

Yeah, I think the. I think the redwoods are the cedars of Lebanon.

[Host]

Whoa.

[Owen]

Yeah. So the biblical cedars of Lebanon, that whole thing. I don't think the Middle east is the Holy Land. I think that's all engineered. I mean, it's pretty well written, especially if you look into the British way of doing things in the mid-1800s. That. That was pretty much an engineered space.

[Host]

Hmm.

[Owen]

But I. I really think that the Holy Land was the western United States, actually where we are right now. Like, when you go up into Utah and north all the way up through Alaska and even into. On the old maps, they called it the Isla de Issu, which is the island of Jesus. That area just above the Bering Straits, I think all this. This area was the Holy Land, and they had to reframe it for their fort, I guess you could call it the. The central. Central banking interests.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

Pretty much all the history that we know of over the last 500 years is written for the central banking interests. And they have a very good way of redirecting our attention away from what is so. And kind of, you know, pigeonholing certain things and giving us a lot of red herrings. And so the cedars of Lebanon, the way that. What it's written about. And when you look at the old maps of, like, the California and Oregon coastline going up into Washington and, like, at the, you know, Canada and stuff like that, that fits so much better when you're actually. If you're to take the biblical narrative that's given that that area fits that so much better than what we're told of the Middle East.

[Christopher]

You think that Salt Lake. Salt Lake is the dead Sea.

[Owen]

I think so.

[Host]

No way.

[Christopher]

Yeah, I mean, yeah. I mean, that's what the Mormons. I think that they. That I think they have that gravy too.

[Owen]

Yeah, I think, I think there's a lot of redirects.

[Christopher]

A lot of redirects.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Christopher]

A lot of them are even named the same.

[Owen]

Yes, I know. Crazy, because that would give them the liability clearance.

[Christopher]

Yeah. We told you, we told you.

[Owen]

We told you.

[Christopher]

Yeah.

[Owen]

I mean, we're still under Roman law. Like if you're too dumb to know what we're doing to you, you deserve it. That's Roman law.

[Christopher]

Yeah. Because there is blowback if you lie, lie.

[Owen]

If you lie, lie and you never give the option.

[Christopher]

Right. There's blowback karma. Right. It really, it's there. It hits back hard too.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Christopher]

But if you tell them, it's almost like they feel almost defeated when they find out versus like angry, you know, where they're like, oh man. Really? Yeah. Florida. Garden of Eden. Yeah. It's oranges and. Okay.

[Owen]

It's so true.

[Christopher]

That's what Longo thinks. Longo thinks that Florida was the Garden of Eden.

[Owen]

Yeah. I don't think the forbidden fruit thing was an actual fruit.

[Host]

I think metaphor.

[Owen]

I think that was metaphor for sex.

[Host]

Oh.

[Owen]

But you know, there's so much evidence because like whenever.

[Christopher]

What's wrong with sex, bro?

[Owen]

Like whenever you see a small, like if you catch a kid like stealing like a cookie, what do they do when you catch them? They cover their mouth.

[Christopher]

Mouth.

[Owen]

Well, what do they keep talking about

[Christopher]

in the Covering the wind.

[Owen]

They're covering their. Their genitals. Cover the genitals. Yeah.

[Christopher]

Knowledge meant to have sex.

[Owen]

Exactly. When you look at the old Hebrew and Greek. Yeah. Especially when you look at it. To like uncover one's nakedness meant sex. So anything talking about nakedness dealt with sexuality.

[Host]

Wow.

[Owen]

So I, I believe with what Longo is saying about the four headed river is absolutely true because there's only one four headed river in the entire world and it's in the fag of the United States, the Florida, Alabama, Georgia border. There's the four headed river street, the four headed fag.

[Christopher]

That's cool.

[Owen]

Yeah, exactly. And that's also the only place in the world that grows gopher wood.

[Christopher]

Yeah. Gopher wood. Yeah.

[Owen]

The hell is that?

[Host]

Gopher wood.

[Owen]

Gopher wood is what they made the ark out of. And you have Arkansas, so you have the arc arc. Kansas. Arkansas was the southern Arkansas, they call it like Texarkana. And down to the eastern part of Arkansas was the highest concentration of Gopher wood in the world, then going down into.

[Christopher]

What are we called ark.

[Owen]

Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those things where they have to tell you.

[Host]

Wow.

[Owen]

Yeah. So Longo. Longo. Exposing that is pretty cool.

[Christopher]

Yeah. No longer.

[Host]

This is blowing my mind.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

The Bible has a lot to do

[Owen]

with the U.S. i think, especially, like, the Old Testament. I am of the mind that the Old Testament was the US and when you look at. When you look at the level of destruction, especially here in Nevada and heading south, like the.

[Christopher]

Yeah, like, a lot of those mounds look a lot like some pyramids that didn't work out.

[Owen]

Yeah. Some desertification. And then also when you look at the. I think the Greeks called it the Titan alchemy. When you. When you read about the Titans and then you kind of, like, mesh that with the Old Testament, there's a lot of the, like, you know, demigod, Titan, Nephilim crossover.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

That works really well in the geography here. Like, when you read the Titan alchemy and you see, like, how. How the demigods were destroyed and then you see the lay of the land and, like, how things were laid to waste. Makes a lot of sense that that was a southwest universe and they always invert it.

[Christopher]

So New world is old world.

[Owen]

Exactly, exactly.

[Christopher]

And they knew how to get here, so it's like they just were, like. They probably did a spell where no one could go for centuries, and then they're like, all right, it's been. It's been wilded. Let's do it again.

[Owen]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Christopher]

Yeah.

[Owen]

No, I think that's totally it. And that's why, like, the whole thing with the carbon is, like, literally, like, we're told, oh, there's too much CO2, there's too much carbon. Where you and I know for a fact the problem that we have is we don't have enough carbon in the ground.

[Christopher]

Yeah.

[Owen]

Like, we need.

[Christopher]

Totally.

[Owen]

And so it's always an inversion with these guys. Yeah, always.

[Host]

They're always telling you, global warming. That was always in the back of my head as a kid.

[Owen]

I know. Like, it was.

[Christopher]

They're like margarine. Remember? All of it. It's just all. But it's like, oh, yeah, fat makes you fat, not sugar.

[Owen]

Right.

[Christopher]

It's just, like, crazy.

[Host]

They said salt was bad for you growing up.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Christopher]

That's where the salary comes from. You got paid in salt.

[Host]

Oh, really?

[Christopher]

Salary? Yeah.

[Host]

When it actually hydrates you.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

It's crazy.

[Owen]

Yeah. I remember my grandparents saying, you know, is he worth his salt?

[Christopher]

Yeah.

[Owen]

I was as A kid. I was always trying to figure that out.

[Christopher]

And I don't even know how many people are even culpable or if that just happens. When you kind of live a life where you lie a lot, where you almost. Like, it flips in your head because. I don't know. I don't want to say there's some grand conspiracy, but. Because I've seen people see the world upside down when they've lied a lot in their life. Like, they almost just start seeing it that way, where hate is love. And you know what I mean? It's like. Like they'll look at a nice family, having a great time, and be like, that's hate. You know? And you're like, dude, what happened to you? You know?

[Owen]

Well, I think, you know, the thing is, like, for me, like, with the. Some of the people that exposed me to Agenda 21, like, way back in the day that were, like, actually showing me.

[Christopher]

Yeah.

[Owen]

Hawaii papers and then, like, reading some of the history. Be behind the different philanthropic institute institutes. I really think that this is an agenda. I don't think.

[Christopher]

Yeah, I think there's a level where it is. I just think it's like, way away.

[Owen]

It's way up there.

[Christopher]

It's Mount Olympus there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did the Swiss used to be, like, the assassins of Europe? You ever look into the Swiss? You know, like, kings would go to a canton and be like, you have to kill Austria. And that's. That's like, what they did. Yeah, no, totally. They were like. They were like the toughest warriors. And then they just got really into watches and shit because. Because the transportation, so how expensive it is to get things in and out. They'd have to make, like, one thing of steel. Super valuable. So they got really into springs and little tiny things. Dude, the Swiss are awesome people, man.

[Owen]

They're your people.

[Christopher]

They're my people. I'm part Swiss. Yeah, yeah.

[Owen]

Oh, definitely, definitely. Those guys crush could tell the cheekbones.

[Christopher]

Dude. They're the most armed country in the world and lowest crime rate.

[Host]

Wow.

[Christopher]

Yeah. Like, every dude goes into boot camp and they all have, like, a gun for life. And they just are like, you can't invade us. We'll kill all of you.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Christopher]

And it works.

[Owen]

Yeah. And they make the best particle colliders, too.

[Christopher]

What do you think that really is?

[Owen]

I think it's a. I think that's the original Mount Hermon.

[Host]

No way.

[Christopher]

What does that mean?

[Owen]

So, like, when the angels came down, like when they were cast out of heaven and they, you know, it's essentially where Jesus Christ, you know, did his. His last sermon.

[Christopher]

Yeah.

[Owen]

Or that's called Mount Hermon. Excuse me, not his last sermon. The last time he talked to his disciples.

[Christopher]

Okay.

[Owen]

Where he actually, you know, fortified his authority as being the ruler of both heaven and Earth. That happened on Mount Hermon because that's where the angels fell to Earth, too. And So I think CERN. CERN, because there's like 10,000 particle colliders all around the world, but CERN is by far the largest that we know of. There's probably some larger ones in Asia, but out of ones that we know of, and especially under the lake that it goes under in the mountain that it goes.

[Christopher]

Yeah, that's a lot of juice.

[Owen]

And then you see that it has the big Shiva, right, you know, statue at the front of it, like, which is, you know, my time in India kind of informs what that is. Is that. I think that's just a gateway. I think these. Because whenever, like, I like. I use devices that vortex things all the time. What does a vortex do? At the very center of a vortex, you always have an opening. Well, imagine you're creating a vortex with these highly charged particles as fast as you can make them go under a ring of magnets.

[Christopher]

Dude, that's so intense.

[Owen]

It is a portal.

[Host]

Yeah. Stargate, how they call it, Right?

[Owen]

I don't know if it's a stargate. I mean, I know enough hippies that would call it a Stargate. I'm not saying that as a derogatory thing, but it would definitely be a star. If you see a star as a sonoluminescent being up there in the sky. But I actually think that because they have not been able to actually create or break through a hard, fast barrier both above and below, they're trying to do it on an etheric level. And so they know vortex. Vortex physics better than we do. So they create these incredibly fast, strong verticular flows.

[Christopher]

Do you think it's worked for them yet?

[Owen]

I think it has. Just because of how wonky. Certain aspects of reality.

[Host]

Mandela effect.

[Owen]

Exactly.

[Host]

That shit's real.

[Owen]

What. What's your biggest Mandela?

[Host]

Onyx. The Pokemon. Did you guys play Pokemon Girl?

[Owen]

I never played.

[Christopher]

Oh, you never played?

[Owen]

No.

[Host]

Curious George is a big one.

[Owen]

Oh, really?

[Christopher]

The tail? Yeah.

[Owen]

Yeah, that one's.

[Host]

Yeah, that one me up.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

There's a lot, though.

[Owen]

There's so many.

[Host]

So many.

[Owen]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm. I've been Mandela affected.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

He makes fun of me. He calls it Mandalu.

[Christopher]

In my reality, it was Always Nelson Mandeli.

[Owen]

See there? It is real. It's real.

[Host]

I thought he died in prison.

[Christopher]

No, it's one of the ones that got me. The reason I do the U is Franco Colombi.

[Owen]

I know.

[Christopher]

I'm dead serious. They're claiming his name ends with a U.

[Owen]

It's so.

[Christopher]

I always thought it was Franco Colombo, you know, the bodybuilder. No.

[Owen]

Oh. So that. That. That to me is the. One of the biggest Mandelas. Because, like, Pumping iron, dude, it was Franco Colombo.

[Christopher]

And now if you Google it, it says Franco Colombo. It's like, it has a U at the end.

[Owen]

I think they did that for years. Because you were saying Mandela before that. That's been. It came out.

[Christopher]

Yeah, they're just like, I'm gonna f. With.

[Owen]

Oh, we gotta mess with that one.

[Host]

The cornucopia one, too, is crazy.

[Owen]

I. I actually had Fruit Volume and I remember asking my mother. There's so many, like, the. Like the whole thing with C3PO, right? Like, I actually had Empire Strike Back, you know, sheets on my bed. Like, I had a bunk bed. So I seriously. And so, like, no, like, that. I would have known whether or not if he had a golden calf or not.

[Christopher]

Like.

[Owen]

Like, like, I know, like, in my reality, that wasn't like, the Silver Leg. Like, what's going on?

[Host]

That makes sense.

[Christopher]

Yeah. That's where that one didn't make sense to me either.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

Do you guys believe in infinite realities?

[Owen]

No.

[Host]

Oh, you don't? You think there's a finite amount of realities?

[Owen]

I think there is. There is objective reality, and I think we're all trying to find. Find objective reality because each one of us, none of us are ever going to experience each other's realities.

[Host]

Right.

[Owen]

I will never know what it is like to look through your eyes. I won't know what it's like to look through his eyes.

[Christopher]

It's awesome. By the way, through my eyes, I

[Owen]

bet it's just looking down at it.

[Host]

Yeah, we got a lot of.

[Owen]

With your finger down.

[Christopher]

Exactly.

[Owen]

So. Because the big assumption that we all make is that we're all living the same reality. But how many situations has it been where you, like, you and a friend or a partner or whatever has seen something and you think you're seeing it the same way, and then you talk to them a little.

[Christopher]

100%.

[Owen]

Yeah. And they saw it a totally different way or have a different. And so I think one of the biggest mysteries out there is objective reality.

[Host]

So you think there is an objective.

[Owen]

I think there is an objective Reality that just none of us are really experiencing.

[Host]

So only God experiences it.

[Owen]

Well, I think when like the. So the so called satori or enlightenment occurs, you fall in into the objective cut, you fall into the real stream. The live stream.

[Christopher]

The live stream.

[Owen]

You fall into the real cut. And that's objective reality. But most of the time.

[Christopher]

What do you think happens when that happens?

[Owen]

I think you're.

[Christopher]

You laugh.

[Owen]

You absolutely laugh. Like the Buddha. Yeah, yeah. The first thing that happens.

[Christopher]

I bet it is funny.

[Owen]

It is because it. Everything once again has been inverted. I think our fall is the fall from objective reality. Like if you're gonna look at it and put in a Christian context. So like what we're all trying to get back to is like sin meant to miss the mark. And so to be sinless is to hit the mark. And the mark is objective reality.

[Christopher]

Yeah. And I think part of the humor is almost like when you see little kids lying about stuff that doesn't matter and you're like, bro, just tell me. Like, I can see it. And it's almost like we live our lives like that so much that when you hit objective reality, I bet it's just like, like what was I doing exactly? You know, like.

[Owen]

Because you know what I think it is what I mean for me personally, because my experience is gonna be different than yours. I think it's effortlessness because like think about God. God is.

[Christopher]

And I've been making fun of a lot of really base people for a long time. I'm sorry, I know what you mean though, about like the flow, right?

[Owen]

Yeah, yeah. Because it's literally like. That's why I found it was an irony as an athlete was like all my best performances, I would be in the zone.

[Host]

Flow state.

[Owen]

Yeah, I was in the flow state. But during the flow state, I wasn't doing it right. It was happening.

[Host]

Right.

[Owen]

I was witnessing it happen. But every time I was the doer, the flow state would never happen. And so reading all these books about flow state and all the things that it takes, so they say, one, you have to have skin in the game, two, it has to be dangerous, three, there has to be preparation, and four, there has to be luck. Because it doesn't like you can't control it. You can't control it. Right. And so luck, to me, yeah, I

[Christopher]

flow stated into a lot of ditches in my life.

[Owen]

So to me luck is another way of saying spontaneity. And I really think God lives in the spontaneity of it and in the spontaneous cut. Then you're in that complete free will. You're free of will. You don't have will because your willpower. Think about what your willpower does. It immediately puts you in a funnel. I am going to have this objective. Well, if you're going to have this objective, then you're not actually open to the freedom that's actually available. So I really think pure objective reality is one. You can have absolutely no will when you can just be.

[Christopher]

And one of the reasons I listen to like dudes like him and like Jake and people like that is because he can kick 60 yard field goals. So it's not just like, it's not just like normal Internet talk. It's like to understand that flow state like that he knows, you know, And I, for me it was like classical piano and stuff like that. It's like when you're operating at a high level, you do kind of disappear.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Christopher]

You know, you are same with like very high stress, stand up comedy situations. It's the same thing. I like almost have no memories of like half my career. Yeah.

[Host]

Just disappear.

[Christopher]

Yeah. You're just like doing the thing. Like you're just doing. You are it.

[Owen]

Yeah. And the flow state thing is really incredible too because you won't really have a memory of like how. The how of it. Yeah.

[Christopher]

And it can drive you crazy sometimes almost when you're like, I got to get back in.

[Owen]

Right.

[Christopher]

But, but I have to.

[Owen]

Right.

[Christopher]

It's like so fascinating.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Christopher]

And it's. Yeah, it's really, really interesting, man, that flow, that's when identity can mess with people.

[Owen]

Identity is like out of all the philosophers I've read, they all say that's the identity is the biggest problem.

[Host]

Ego. Right.

[Owen]

Well, ego is conditioning. And so if you're attached to the conditioning, that's, that's identity. Right. So ego could be a great benefit. Like you, you have conditioning to do this and you're really good at it.

[Host]

Right? Yeah. You need somewhat of an ego.

[Owen]

Yeah, yeah. Ego gets the, the, the. It's like the, it gets the misnomer of being bad. And I think that's like a nouveau thing to say. But it's not ego that's a problem, it's Freud.

[Christopher]

I mean, that little cokehead made ego sound bad. Huh.

[Owen]

I. What do you call it? The id?

[Christopher]

The id. The ego, the superego. Yeah. He was so miserable, that dude, you ever read what he wrote, don't listen to miserable people. Dude, he was so miserable and then he got like jaw cancer. Like that's an irony, huh?

[Host]

Oh, dude, if There's a link there with mental and physical health, I think. Totally.

[Owen]

Oh yeah, absolutely. Physiognomy, you're really big into.

[Christopher]

I am. I think you grow into the face you are.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

You don't make a bone smashing.

[Owen]

That's hot right now.

[Host]

That's a hot.

[Owen]

You know, I just heard about that killer. I had never. I had never heard of that until a recent guest I had.

[Christopher]

That's insanity.

[Host]

All these young kids are smashing their face.

[Christopher]

Oh, that makes me sad, man. To becoming a dad. It hurts more like seeing kids in like a movie or something in trouble. Like, I can't watch that shit now because it's relatable. Yeah. I think like the. A young kid smashing their face. I'm just like, oh, that is terrible.

[Host]

Yeah, they're smashing their face. Or taking TRT in their 20s.

[Christopher]

I know. For what?

[Host]

Crazy man.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

New world.

[Christopher]

I mean, listen, I'm right now drinking caffeine to be slightly more interesting, so I don't want to be a hypocrite, but that just sounds. I mean, it's just so like, pointless.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Christopher]

It's kind of like the flow state. We're just talking. It's pointless. It's like, why?

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Christopher]

Was some girl gonna be like, oh, your jaw is great. Like what? Like what happens? Nothing happens.

[Owen]

Yeah. What's the methodology? What are they called?

[Host]

Looks. Maxing.

[Christopher]

I saw that.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Christopher]

This dude's like breaking his legs to get taller.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

So people are breaking their legs to grow 2 inches. There's a surgery for that.

[Christopher]

Like, I joke a lot about being a height supremacist. It's really not as great as you. Like, just if you're listening right now, like, it's not like way better.

[Host]

Like, typically we have a way shorter lifespan actually.

[Christopher]

I know. It's cuz we're always hitting our heads on these people's door.

[Owen]

You get CTE much, much, much. Yeah.

[Christopher]

And when we go to a concert, everyone's mad at us or hurts our esteem.

[Owen]

Exactly.

[Christopher]

Yeah.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

We have our issues.

[Christopher]

We have our issues, man.

[Owen]

Well, it's like a giraffe, man. The gravity is like pulling you down.

[Host]

Yeah. I think every inch or past five, 10, you lose like a year on average. Something like that.

[Christopher]

Yeah. Every. My kids play violin at the old folks homes. And every time I go in there, I'm always saying to Amy, I'm like, like, no one's over six foot in here. Yeah, well, my, my family lived in their 90s, though. They're like old Swiss vampires, I think.

[Host]

Damn that's impressive at that.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Christopher]

Well, you live a while. You like half Chinese, right?

[Host]

Yeah, half Chinese but half Irish. So it offsets, I think.

[Christopher]

No, they live a while. Irish has some good DNA.

[Owen]

Where do you get the height then?

[Host]

My dad's Irish.

[Christopher]

He's like 6, 5 probably, you know, a few generations.

[Owen]

The black Irish.

[Christopher]

Yeah. Conquering from the north. Conquerors.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Christopher]

That's what my type of Irish is too.

[Owen]

I have a good friend that's like really big into showing like how the British Isles were black, you know, really in the 1700s.

[Christopher]

I kind of like black truthers sometimes.

[Owen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Christopher]

Like they're kind of hilarious. They're like William Shakespeare. Blah.

[Owen]

Well, when you look at like the,

[Christopher]

Some of it's right though.

[Owen]

Yeah, yeah. When you look at all the, the, the manifests of the people that were actually going. And this is what he points out.

[Christopher]

The moors, right?

[Owen]

Well, no, not the barbers who. No, no, this is like when he is talking about the flow from the British Isles down into the Caribbean. Okay. The reason why they were so able to take over the Caribbean so quickly was because they looked like them. They were the lighter blacks.

[Christopher]

I'd like to see some. I need to see more on that.

[Owen]

I, I don't. I haven't committed it to memory. They were black and black.

[Christopher]

So they like Halle Berry looking exactly fine. I can. There is some of that though. You see that sometimes.

[Owen]

And I grew up in South Florida and the, the light skinned Jamaicans.

[Christopher]

Run, dude, my friend in Idaho is a light skinned Jamaican. She's the one who's like.

[Owen]

She's European then. Yeah, she acts European, doesn't she? She lives in North.

[Christopher]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're really into like precious metal and. Yeah, but she's black.

[Owen]

The proof is in the pudding.

[Host]

Don't mess with the light skins.

[Owen]

That's right.

[Host]

Yeah, but she's still black though. Well guys, this was fun.

[Christopher]

Anything so fun.

[Host]

That was a blast.

[Owen]

Well, yeah, you took a lot of notes.

[Host]

I know. These are all clips. That's why I write a lot of notes.

[Christopher]

Tell the people about biochar.

[Owen]

Yeah, yeah. So I got a biochar.

[Christopher]

By the way. I'm not even remotely associated financially. I just love it.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Christopher]

Like, I swear to God, I'm just like, people need to learn this stuff

[Host]

because it's like, it's important.

[Christopher]

I really do.

[Owen]

Yeah. I'm selling Black Hole Biochar.

[Host]

That's the name of, I'm guessing for my garden.

[Owen]

Blackolebiochar.com we are making premium biochar. It's not charcoal. Like, a lot of the biochar that you can buy from different, very large box stores, they're selling charcoal as biochar. We're actually making. We have like the. The. From an alchemical perspective, you would call it a retort. You would call it like a retort kiln, which means we isolate the outside environment, like, next to no oxygen when we cook our biomass. And so we get the really good stuff with all the. The. The nano diamonds and all the rest of it in it. And so, yeah, Blackwell Biochar is where we're selling that.

[Host]

We'll put a link in the video.

[Owen]

Awesome. And then I have a podcast, the Biocharisma podcast, where all this good stuff that we're talking about.

[Christopher]

He does mine a lot, too. It's great.

[Host]

A lot of people flow well together, by the way.

[Owen]

Yeah, great.

[Christopher]

We hang a lot.

[Host]

Well, thanks for coming on, gentlemen. That was fun.

[Owen]

Thank you guys for having us.

[Host]

Guys, peace. Thanks for watching all the way to the end, guys. It means a lot. Please click here if you want to watch the next episode and please subscribe to the show. It helps us get more guests and helps grow the brand.