The Truth About Systemic Racism, DEI & The Political Divide | Adam Mockler DSH #1209

Summary

Digital Social Hour: The Truth About Systemic Racism, DEI & The Political Divide | Adam Mockler DSH #1209

Release Date: February 28, 2025

In episode #1209 of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly engages in a profound and unfiltered conversation with guest Adam Mochler, delving into the complexities of systemic racism, Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI), and the current political landscape in the United States. This episode offers a comprehensive exploration of controversial topics, shedding light on the intricate dynamics shaping today's society and politics.

Trump's Presidency: Effectiveness and Policies

Executive Orders and Trade Wars Adam Mochler critiques former President Donald Trump's approach to governance, particularly his reliance on executive orders. At [03:02], Mochler likens Trump's strategy to Steve Bannon's "flood the zone" tactic, suggesting that the multitude of executive orders were more performative than effective. He states, “He did a flurry of executive orders... but he has to do everything via executive order after executive order” ([05:29]).

Discussing the trade war with Canada and Mexico, Mochler argues that Trump's actions were largely symbolic, noting, “I think that it was all performative with no real concessions” ([03:08]). Despite Trump's declarations of victory, Mochler points out that the $1.3 billion spending package with Canada was already in place before Trump's involvement ([04:05]).

Ukraine Policy and Allegations of Bias A significant portion of the discussion centers on Trump's stance regarding Ukraine. Mochler criticizes Trump's statements about Ukrainian President Zelensky, labeling them as “beneath the pale” ([01:50]). He highlights the inconsistency in Trump's criticism of Zelensky while downplaying Vladimir Putin's long-term dictatorship ([09:28]). Mochler expresses concern over Trump's apparent alignment with Putin, questioning the rationale behind blaming Ukraine for the invasion ([10:19]).

MAGA Movement and Media Portrayal

Mochler explores the media's portrayal of the Make America Great Again (MAGA) movement, arguing that coverage often paints Trump and his supporters negatively without necessitating such bias. He remarks, “You don't even have to paint Trump in a negative light. You just have to cover what Trump is doing, and it seems negative” ([08:30]). However, he acknowledges that prominent MAGA figures like Charlie Kirk, Benny Johnson, and Tucker Carlson contribute to this negative image through their outspoken and sometimes extreme rhetoric ([08:50]).

Elon Musk's Influence and Government Oversight

The conversation shifts to Elon Musk's role in politics, particularly his influence over government actions. Mochler raises concerns about Musk's attempts to reform government operations, critiquing his methods as overly aggressive and lacking proper oversight ([14:01]). He points out incidents where Musk allegedly fired teams responsible for FOIA requests, hindering transparency ([14:47]).

Furthermore, Mochler discusses the close relationship between Trump and Musk, citing Trump’s statement that Musk would enact any executive orders he writes ([15:18]). This alliance raises alarms about the concentration of power in Musk's hands and the potential for misuse ([15:32]).

Corruption in Congress and Presidential Pardons

Addressing corruption, Mochler differentiates between systematic corruption and leveraging the system through legitimate channels. He acknowledges instances of corruption within both political parties, mentioning Democratic figures like Senator Menendez and New York Mayor Eric Adams ([25:37], [26:10]). However, he maintains that Trump’s actions, such as the mass pardons of January 6th participants, represent a more egregious level of misconduct ([35:28]).

Regarding presidential pardons, Mochler supports their use in appropriate circumstances but condemns blanket pardons that undermine the legal system. He criticizes Trump's pardoning of individuals involved in the January 6th Capitol riot, arguing that it emboldens criminal behavior and undermines law enforcement efforts ([35:28], [37:38]).

Systemic Racism and DEI: Definitions and Impacts

One of the episode's core discussions revolves around systemic racism and DEI. Mochler provides a nuanced definition of systemic racism, emphasizing the lingering effects of discriminatory laws and practices from decades past. He explains, “There were racist laws on the books in the 60s and way before that too” and how their remnants continue to disadvantage Black Americans ([55:19]).

Charlie Kirk initially expresses skepticism about systemic racism but gradually acknowledges its existence through Mochler’s explanations and analogies, such as the Monopoly game analogy illustrating generational wealth disparities ([58:28], [59:57]). This analogy compares historical advantages given to white Americans to one team having a significant head start in Monopoly, making it difficult for another team to compete on equal footing.

Regarding DEI, Mochler explores its application beyond mere racial and gender diversity, advocating for inclusion based on diverse lived experiences. He critiques both liberal and conservative misinterpretations, suggesting a balanced approach that values qualifications while ensuring a diverse representation ([18:25], [20:48]). The conversation highlights the importance of understanding DEI beyond surface-level implementations to address deeper societal inequities.

Immigration Policies and Deportations

Mochler and Kirk discuss the contentious topic of immigration, focusing on deportation policies. Mochler argues that while deportations are necessary for those committing crimes, they should not target individuals contributing positively to society. He criticizes both Trump's performative deportation rhetoric and Biden's ongoing challenges in managing immigration effectively ([40:16], [41:21]).

They agree that a balanced approach is essential, where military support to allies like Ukraine does not come at the expense of addressing domestic issues such as homelessness and veteran support. Mochler emphasizes that aid to other countries, particularly through military equipment, can coexist with domestic support without being mutually exclusive ([50:18], [51:04]).

Presidential Effectiveness: Trump vs. Biden

Examining the effectiveness of Trump’s and Biden’s presidencies, Mochler concludes that Biden has been more effective in enacting substantial legislation, such as the Inflation Reduction Act and the Chips and Science Act, leveraging his extensive experience in Washington ([32:11]). In contrast, he views Trump’s tenure as lacking significant legislative achievements, attributing his successes more to media savvy and strategic marketing than to effective governance ([30:32], [33:06]).

Mochler acknowledges Trump’s strengths in showmanship and media presence but questions his capability to govern effectively, especially when his actions often result in performative victories rather than tangible policy outcomes ([33:06], [33:16]).

Conclusion: Bridging Divides and Understanding Systems

The episode culminates in a mutual recognition of the importance of understanding systemic issues and avoiding polarized narratives. Mochler advocates for a middle ground in both DEI implementation and policy-making, emphasizing the necessity of nuanced approaches over extreme positions. Both guests agree that fostering multiple perspectives and breaking out of echo chambers are crucial for meaningful progress and societal cohesion.

Notable Quotes

• Adam Mochler [03:02]: “He did a flurry of executive orders... but he has to do everything via executive order after executive order.”

• Adam Mochler [08:30]: “You don't even have to paint Trump in a negative light. You just have to cover what Trump is doing, and it seems negative.”

• Adam Mochler [55:19]: “There were racist laws on the books in the 60s and way before that too.”

• Charlie Kirk [60:36]: “Yeah, well, I did not believe in systemic racism before. Before this, so now you've definitely opened my eyes.”

Final Thoughts

This episode of Digital Social Hour offers a deep dive into the intertwined issues of systemic racism, DEI, and the polarized political environment. Through candid dialogue, Adam Mochler and Charlie Kirk dissect the underlying systems that perpetuate inequality and examine the effectiveness of current political strategies. The conversation serves as a call for more informed and balanced approaches to governance and social justice, encouraging listeners to look beyond surface-level narratives and engage with the complexities of these pressing issues.

For more insightful discussions, follow Adam Mochler on YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok.

Transcript

[Adam Mochler]

You're pretty smart when people talk about you too. Smart comes up a lot. So why are you trying to prove them wrong? Why aren't you pushing the limits of science and powering the nuclear engines of the world's most powerful Navy? If you were born for it, isn't it time to make a smart choice? You can be smart or you can be nuke smart. Become a nuclear [e-mail] nukesmart America's Navy forged by the sea. Maga does have a lot of crazy. You don't even have to, like, paint Trump in a negative light. You just have to cover what Trump is doing and it seems negative. That's like, I don't have to paint Trump. I don't have to lie about Trump's Ukraine take. I just have to show Trump's tweet about Ukraine. You can see that he's kind of taking Putin's side. And he's also saying that Zelensky was the one who caused the invasion. Not true. He also said that Zelensky is a dictator who doesn't hold election. Like, as a conservative, you seem open minded as well, right?

[Charlie Kirk]

Pretty open minded, yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

Can you see how it's scary when the President of the United States is saying that Zelensky is a dictator, when Putin is the one who has. Doesn't really hold real elections. Like, Putin is the one who has been in power for 20 years. I think maybe 25 years. At this point, he's the actual dictator. I just don't know how the President can call Zelensky a dictator. Can you see how that's backwards?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I could see that. All right, guys, Adam Mochler here today. First time in Vegas?

[Adam Mochler]

Yes, sir.

[Charlie Kirk]

Let's go. What are your thoughts so far in Vegas?

[Adam Mochler]

It's insane. I got in pretty late last night. A lot of bright lights. I stayed at the Venetian. Super nice hotel. I love Vegas. Yeah, it's super sick. I want to come back and not on a work trip, so I can just chill for a weekend and enjoy the surrounding areas, see some shows.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, that makes sense. So we're a month into Trump's first. Well, not first presidency, but his presidency. How are you feeling overall so far, man?

[Adam Mochler]

You know, kind of a mess. It's kind of. There are certain areas where he's really gone below my expectations, and I'm already a liberal, so I already had low expectations. But, dude, we can just dig in with what he was saying about Ukraine yesterday. Yesterday, he was trying to place the blame on Ukraine for their invasion. Even Though Russia invaded, also called Zelensky a dictator. I just think that is beneath the pale. I just thought, you can't be doing that as the U.S. president. But I mean, you want a broad overview on what I think about most things that have happened so far. Yeah, I think that right away he did a flurry of executive orders. I think that's the Steve Bannon sort of flood the zone strategy. If you've seen that, where Steve Bannon's like, if you can do 100 different things at once, you can sort of overwhelm your enemies and they don't know which one to start to attack. So Trump did all these executive orders. Some of them got challenged in the courts. Like when he tried to challenge birthright citizenship. A Reagan appointed judge actually challenged him on that. Then there was the whole trade war. We could talk about that as well. Or the almost trade war where he was threatening Canada and Mexico. I think that was mostly performative. And then, man, the Ukraine stuff was the truly offensive. Like, that was. It was. It was. I think it's not a good. Not a good position for our president to have.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

So that's a lot right there.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, that is a lot. We'll start with the trade war, though, with Canada and Mexico. How do you think he handled that situation?

[Adam Mochler]

I think that it was all performative with no real concessions. Right. So I was on this debate show the other day, and they were asking me about this. I was debating someone about it, and I asked a Conservative, can you name me a single concession that Trump actually got from Sheinbaum or Trudeau? Because you can look, you can look this up on the Canadian, like, government website. They announced this $1.3 billion spending package back in December. And then Trump sends out a tweet declaring victory in mid January saying, hey, we secured this $1.3 billion spending package. So it was all performative. And I know you're more conservative, so I think that, like, what was your opinion on it?

[Charlie Kirk]

I think he did the tariff stuff as a negotiation tactic. I don't think his plan was to ever actually do that.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, I agree. And you could see this. You could see, like, the shreds of it. When he was doing it with Columbia, he threatened tariffs on Colombia. But did he actually get anything from Mexico and Canada? Like, when you're.

[Charlie Kirk]

Didn't they send troops to the border, though?

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, but they did that before. Sheinbaum already did that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, really?

[Adam Mochler]

A few times, which is interesting.

[Charlie Kirk]

I didn't know that, actually.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, no, Sheinbaum sent troops to the border under Biden and under Trump's first term. And then what Trump did was acted like this was some new grand revelation, and he acted like this was a massive victory. And then people are like, oh, shit, Trump's a master negotiator. He did the same thing with Trudeau. Did you know that Trudeau had a $1.3 billion package beforehand?

[Charlie Kirk]

No.

[Adam Mochler]

And then Trump declared, you can look this all up, too. Like, I'm not even bullshitting. You can look it all up. There was already a $1.3 billion border package. All that he got from Trudeau was the border czar. There's a new thing called the border czar. But it's like, did you have to almost start. Do you think he could have done that without starting a trade war? Probably, yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

So you think he basically did it as a sign to assert dominance, to do that.

[Adam Mochler]

But he's also a showman, right? Like, we can agree on that. Like, the dude is a showman. He knows how to grab the headlines. He knows how to be performative. And I sometimes think that he can be performative without actually getting results. So you could say it was to assert dominance. I think it was to get a sort of superficial victory. He got this victory in the form of, like, 50% of the country right now thinks that Trudeau and Sheinbaum basically kneeled in front of him, and they were like, okay, you win. You win this trade war. But it was all just performative. So I think it was to. To get a performative victory. And I think that a lot of the stuff he does is, like. Is performative.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I can agree with that. I mean, he comes from reality television.

[Adam Mochler]

But it works, man. I mean, what am I supposed to say? I mean, he beat the Democrats. They have all few chambers of Congress, so I can't say that performative theatrical stuff doesn't work to get voters, But I just think there's a difference between marketing yourself and. And actually governing. Right. The governing part is a little bit harder.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right. How shocked were you with the results of the election?

[Adam Mochler]

There's two different pieces. So, like, I knew going into it that it was 5050. I'm a big believer in, like, Nate Silver's model and stuff like that. I was like, okay, it's 5050. It's a coin flip. I totally think he can win. But on the night of, when he actually took the victory, just thinking about Elon Musk having that much power started to kind of blow my mind. The night how shocked was I. On a scale of 1 to 10, like a 4. I wasn't that surprised, but, yeah, it always sucks to lose, right? It always sucks.

[Charlie Kirk]

I just, I was more surprised by the, the victory margin.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, I wasn't surprised he won, but the fact that it was basically a.

[Adam Mochler]

Landslide when I saw the popular vote. Yeah, I mean, it was. I wouldn't say it was a landslide electorally.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, he won all the swing states.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, he won all the swings, but that's, that's normal. That's very normal when you're. The swing states basically always go in one direction. I think what was more surprising is that he won the popular vote. Like, Republicans never win.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Adam Mochler]

Like, it's been a while since they won the popular vote. I thought that was pretty wild.

[Charlie Kirk]

You've been to over 40 of his rallies. Has he ever said anything that, like, impressed you or changed your opinion on anything at those rallies?

[Adam Mochler]

Him and his supporters change my opinion on things all the time. I wouldn't say. Yeah, Trump has taught me a lot. I don't know, but if impressed is the word, I don't know if I've ever heard something that Trump has said and be like, I am so incredibly impressed. Like, that is deep. Trump's never opened my eyes on anything, but he has taught me a lot about how the world works regarding the interactions between two people. Like, when I see him use these negotiation tactics, and it sounds bad, when I see him use these, like, quote unquote negotiation tactics and he tries to bully other countries or he tries to use the anchor, I start to see it a lot more in the business world now. So after I hear Trump talk about, like, his. I see Trump do this, I see it more in the business world, behind the scenes, even in the industry that I'm in, I see people using Trumpian tactics. So he's taught me stuff in that regard. His supporters, I've had a lot of good, interesting conversations with them. They've taught me some interesting stuff.

[Charlie Kirk]

So you are open minded. That's. That's cool.

[Adam Mochler]

Definitely open minded. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm incredibly open minded. I'm actually pretty center left. Like, I am a capitalist. I agree with Trump on capitalism. I don't think socialism would work. I, I think to a degree you need to have, like, welfare nets, basically nets to catch people. But I don't think that. Yeah, I mean, dude, the Trump supporters are very cool. They're very cool people. It's kind of odd because I'll talk to these people and it's like my aunt or my uncle from a different reality. Super nice people. They love me. Like this dude gave me the glove off of his hands. When the gloves off his hands, he was like, I see that you're cold. Here are my gloves. But then, but then he'll say some weird, like, race realist stuff. Right? Where it's.

[Charlie Kirk]

There is that section of maga.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, for sure.

[Charlie Kirk]

But overall, I think MAGA gets painted in a really bad light on the media.

[Adam Mochler]

Sort of. But they kind of do it to themselves. Like when Charlie Kirk and Benny Johnson and Tucker Carlson, when all the people out there are like the loudest voices are. Are saying crazy shit or I can cuss, right?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

Not a big deal. I should have probably asked that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Now you're good.

[Adam Mochler]

But when they're out there saying crazy stuff, you're kind of asking for it. And I do think the media can be unfair. I mean, sure. But yeah, I mean, MAGA does have a lot of crazy. You don't even have to like, paint Trump in a negative light. You just have to cover what Trump is doing and it seems negative. That's like, I don't have to paint Trump. I don't have to lie about Trump's Ukraine take. I just have to show Trump's tweet about Ukraine. And you can see that he's kind of taking Putin's side. And he's also saying that Zelensky was the one who caused the invasion. Not true. He also said that Zelensky is a dictator who doesn't hold election. Like, as a conservative, you seem open minded as well, right?

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm pretty open minded, yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

Can you see how it's scary when the President of the United States is saying that Zelensky is a dictator when Putin is the one who has. Doesn't really hold real elections? Like, Putin is the one who has been in power for 20 years. I think maybe 25 years at this point, he's the actual dictator. I just don't know how the President can call Zelenskyy a dictator. Can you see how that's backwards?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I could see that.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. What are your thoughts on the Ukraine situation?

[Charlie Kirk]

I wasn't a fan of his take. Yeah, I think, yeah, it doesn't look like he's going to end that war like he said he was going to. Right?

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. He said 24 hours. Within 24 hours of taking office, I'm going to end that war. And it seems like maybe he's getting a little bit frustrated because now we're exactly a Month in, he hasn't ended the war in Ukraine. Prices haven't gone down, but that's to the side. I just feel like he's now siding with Putin after one phone call, which I think is weird.

[Charlie Kirk]

That is weird. Who knows? There's a game behind the scenes that the public doesn't know about, too.

[Adam Mochler]

I feel like, yeah, you could say that. That it's like 3D chess. 40 chess. I. I hear that argument a lot. And there are times when I thought, you know, like, going into the tariff. Going into the tariffs, when he was threatening Canada and Mexico, there are times when I felt like, is he just. Is there an end goal here that I'm not seeing?

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Adam Mochler]

Is he negotiating with them and trying to get some massive concession or get them to fall in line? But then, like I said earlier, at the end of those negotiations with Canada and Mexico, Trump got no actual real concessions. They were all just stuff that had previously been conceded. So I don't know if there's this 3D chess. I think Trump is actually just kind of ignorant when it comes to the Ukraine situation. I think he had a phone call with Vladimir Putin, Putin changed his mind. And then, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, his Director of National Intelligence, she also has the same. Take that, like, it was Biden's fault. It was Zelensky's fault that Ukraine was invaded. So she's giving him his daily briefings now. I'm sure that's not helping. And you just have to remember when he says that, that the invasion was Biden's fault. Ukraine got invaded in 2014 as well. Crimea got invaded in 2014, which is like, that's. How can that be Biden's fault?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I didn't know that, actually. That's good to know.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. Crimea got invaded in 2014. Georgia, which is another country in Europe, got invaded in 2008. Basically, Putin always has these imperial ambitions. All Putin wants to do is take land. He wants to take the next country and the next country. I mean, Putin's like a dictator. He's literally a dictator in the most literal sense. So when Trump is trying to claim that Crimea or. Sorry, when Trump is trying to claim that Ukraine was only invaded because of Biden. That's bs. Ukraine has been invaded before, a decade ago. So it's just. It's interesting to see him falling for that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Now, I know you're not a fan of Elon Musk, but can you agree that the stuff he's been exposing is good information for the people to know, I guess.

[Adam Mochler]

But yeah, I mean, it's good information, but it was already out there before.

[Charlie Kirk]

The Social Security numbers.

[Adam Mochler]

Not the Social Security numbers. I don't even know the validity behind what he's claiming there. I've seen multiple reports that when Elon Musk claims there's like millions and millions of dollars being spent on people above certain ages, I don't even know if that's fully true. I thought that they found out that there were a few different theories. Number one, it could have been a type of code in the database. What is it called, COBOL or whatever, where the code actually goes up to 150. Or there is a chance that the someone. I read some article saying that those payments weren't actually being sent out to the people after they die. I don't know. I think there's a more rational explanation. Here's the thing. If Elon Musk actually exposed tens of millions of dollars being wasted in Social Security, I would think that was a good thing, but I'm having trouble buying it. I just don't.

[Charlie Kirk]

You just don't believe it's that.

[Adam Mochler]

I think that there's a more rational explanation. I don't think our Social Security was so corrupt that I think, what do you say, 60% of it was going to other. And when it comes to him exposing, like $10 million going to Mumbai or $10 million going to, like, Dubai. Bisexual clothes. Whatever.

[Charlie Kirk]

The condoms.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, whatever the hell. Number one, this was already publicly available data. This was all in Congress bills. Congress appropriated this, and that's all public stuff. So Elon Musk isn't really. Again, it's the performativeness of it. I think he's kind of performatively doing all this. But I will say, yeah, if he can make the government more effective, I'll be behind him when he does that. Liberals in general want the government to be more effective. It's not like I want the government to be a huge bureaucracy. I'm open minded to that like we were. I'm open minded to making the governments, like, trimmed down. But I think the way Elon Musk is doing it is kind of scary sometimes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Proposing mass layoffs, Right?

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. And just doing it. He keeps saying he's doing with the like with a lot of oversight, but it seems to be selective oversight. Right. So when Elon Musk is the one that's running the Doge account and the account that tweets out all this stuff, they are selectively releasing certain documents. Real oversight would be having some sort of External validation, some sort of external oversight committee that can come in and see what Elon Musk is doing. But he's kind of blocked that time and time again. When, when people tried to go into the USAID buildings, they weren't let in. They tried to go into the Department of Education, they weren't let in. There are reports that CNN tried to put in a FOIA request for Elon Musk and to see, like, what his clearance was. And Elon Musk fired the entire FOIA team.

[Charlie Kirk]

Really?

[Adam Mochler]

So they couldn't. Yeah, yeah. The, the whole team. What I think it was called the Privacy and Communications team or something like the privacy team in the government was actually fired by Elon Musk and the people. So if he wants to make the government more efficient with oversight, that's fine, but there are legal avenues to do that. You can, you can take waste, fraud and abuse to certain courts and. Yeah, that's just. I think there's a way to do it where it doesn't have to be so breakneck.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's interesting. Did you see his interview with Trump on Fox News the other day? I didn't realize how much power Trump is giving Elon.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Trump pretty much said any time he writes an executive order, Elon is there to enact on it.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's pretty crazy, right?

[Adam Mochler]

It's wild. And I think that Elon Musk has too much power. Is. Does not scare you that Elon Musk basically bought his way into that position?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, well, it scares me when any single person has that much power. You know what I mean? Just in general.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. Especially when they're unelected and there's no way to really hold Elon accountable. That's the thing about unelected bureaucrats.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Adam Mochler]

Like, if Elon Musk did something absolutely heinous and Trump just like looks the other way. We can't vote Elon Musk out. We can't really, like, we can't do anything because he's rich as fuck and he could just buy his way out of any lawsuit. Not buy his way, but he could just pay the lawyers and get out of any lawsuit like that. So, yeah, I mean, having someone buy their way into the most powerful position, or I guess, second most powerful position in the world is kind of scary, in my opinion.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

What do you think about the argument that if George Soros were doing this with the Biden administration, conservatives heads would be exploding? Like, could you imagine for one second if George Soros. Oh, no, that's two on the Nose. Let's just say. Could you imagine for a second if before the 2020 election, Bill Gates and Joe Biden were just walking around together? Bill Gates and Joe Biden were courtside chilling out at a Lakers game. And Bill Gates bought Facebook and then used Facebook leverage that to make sure that Joe Biden has propaganda in his favor. While Bill Gates was doing this, he was donating hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars to Joe Biden. Now, do you think conservatives would be okay if, after Biden wins the election, Bill Gates is in the White House helping him draft policy and enact that?

[Charlie Kirk]

It is scary. I don't know if I'd be cool with that.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, yeah. So it's just interesting that conservatives are not. I'm not talking about you. When I say conservative, like the maga, conservatives are oddly okay with Elon Musk being impossible.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I definitely lean that way. I've actually never voted.

[Adam Mochler]

Oh, really?

[Charlie Kirk]

But I lean conservative.

[Adam Mochler]

Why have you never voted?

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't know. Interest, you know, just never voted when you.

[Adam Mochler]

I was gonna say, are you open minded enough to ever vote blue?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. I mean, I grew up in Jersey and I was. My family was blue probably my whole childhood.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

I would do it if the. If it made sense to me.

[Adam Mochler]

If the candidate was right.

[Charlie Kirk]

If the candidate was right.

[Adam Mochler]

What if it was like Mark Cuban next election versus, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene. Yes, it's like Mark Cuban versus, like a far right MAGA support.

[Charlie Kirk]

I would go Cuban. I like Cuban.

[Adam Mochler]

He's a cool guy.

[Charlie Kirk]

He's got some wild takes, though.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

I wasn't a fan of the DEI take he had.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. Where he was in favor of it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

I think that there is, you know, there's like a nuanced view. See, the thing is, you have to be open minded on this, all this stuff, because when you go online, people are so black or white. There's a. There's a take on the DEI that I think liberals and conservatives can both get behind. And I'm still drafting the best way to, like, say it, articulate it. But a lot of the DEI programs are actually pretty terrible, and liberals need to be admitting that. A lot of the DEI programs are antithetical to what we actually want, which is diversity, equity and inclusion. But there are ways to draft them where everybody is actually included. I don't know. There's a. Mark Cuban's DEI take wasn't fully wrong. He was just looking at it in a very nuanced way.

[Charlie Kirk]

I agree. I just. As a capitalist and as an entrepreneur, DEI never made sense to me.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, I guess it depends on, like, what the working. What's your working definition of dei? What do you usually think? It's.

[Charlie Kirk]

When I think of Di. I think of just hiring certain ethnicities to fill the job position.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. I think that there's a way. Here's the question. If there is a talent pool of a bunch of very highly specialized people and you have two people, they both have the exact same qualifications. So they Both had a 4.0 GPA in high school. They both have the exact same college degree. They even went to the same college. But one of them grew up in a. In a worse family. Like, they had a worse family life. They were able to accelerate their career much faster and get to the same position as the other person who had a great, really wealthy life. Do you think it's okay to. To hire the person who had a worse off life? Because that's a. That's a. That's a form of dei.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, is it? If they came from not as rich of a background?

[Adam Mochler]

Basically, yeah. Like, it's. It's not even just diversity in race or more women in the workplace. It's a diversity in lived experiences. So you want people from all different types of backgrounds. Even if it's a white dude who had a less privileged life growing up.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

And then a white dude who was super rich growing up, DEI would still be picking the white dude who was less privileged. Would you think that's okay?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I didn't know that. I thought it was just ethnicity.

[Adam Mochler]

Would you think that that was okay if that's a form of dei? That.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. I mean, for me, I just. I don't have a huge company, so I hire people based off if I like them or not in skill. Like. Like that's all that matters to me.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. I think when Mark Cuban was talking about dei, I don't think he was talking about. Because, like, it really depends on your working definition. I have. I grew up in Indiana, so I've got a bunch of Trump supporting friends, and we had this conversation recently, and they were saying essentially, DEI is just hiring black people just for the sake of hiring black people or women hiring a woman just because you think you need more women on the team. I don't think that's the case. I think it's looking at a very highly qualified pool and making sure when you're pulling from this pool of highly qualified people, you. You have a diverse portfolio of people on your team. So I think having people from, like, Lesser privileged backgrounds. More privileged backgrounds. You want a highly qualified black person. You probably want women on a team. If you. It's like you just want like some sort of diversity. But you don't want to force it in there. No, I think the liberal idea of forcing it in there is pretty.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's what pissed people off, I think.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. People feel smothered by that. There's a. Like, like I was trying to say this earlier. There's a middle ground it. There's a middle ground to di. Where you're not like pushing it in people's faces or. Or making sure that people can't get jobs because of it, but you're actually making sure you have like a really high qualified, diverse, functioning team.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

Where everybody is like really super good at what they do.

[Charlie Kirk]

Would you ever vote, Right. Republican?

[Adam Mochler]

I could. I mean, it depends. I. For the modern day Republican Party? Hell no.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like advance ran next election.

[Adam Mochler]

No, no. I couldn't see myself voting for Vance. I'm just so diametrically opposed to him on basically every belief. Wow. If I were ever to vote for the Republican Party, it would have to be a completely different Republican Party. But I don't vote just based on. It would be very ignorant for me to say I'm only going to vote blue for the rest of my life.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right. Because a lot could change over time.

[Adam Mochler]

A lot could change. Who knows? If the Democratic Trump comes out in 30 years and the Democratic Trump is somehow just has terrible positions on everything, then maybe I'd vote for the more Republican. It just depends on what the party looks like.

[Charlie Kirk]

But do you feel like the Democrats. Because I hear this a lot. Do you feel like the Democratic Party has changed a lot over the years?

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, I'd say so. I mean, over how many years though?

[Charlie Kirk]

Because I'd say 15, 20.

[Adam Mochler]

No, I don't. I think that the Republican Party is the one that has gone really far to the right. The Republican Party is a side that has gone off the chains. Have you ever seen that meme that Elon Musk posted and all these people post where it's like, I didn't leave the Democratic Party. It left me.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

Shows the Democratic Party going way off to the side of the Republican. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's not true. The Republican Party, the MAGA wing of the Republican Party is the one that has gone far. Right. Because if you look at 2008, who was the vice president in 08? That was Joe Biden. 09. Joe Biden. If you look at 2008, 2009 Joe Biden was the vice president. Fifteen years later, Joe Biden was the President of the United States. So the party really hasn't moved that much. It's gone from Biden as the VP to Biden as the President. Maybe he got a little bit more progressive. But if you look at the Bush era of Republicans to the Trump era of Republicans, dude, it is night and day. Think about the Bush Republicans. Think about what they cared about, which was like NATO, which was not expanding the deficit too much, which they did. Going to war and stuff. They loved the endless. And compare that to what the modern day Republicans are. It is night and day. So I think the Democratic Party from 2008 to 2025 hasn't really changed that much. But at the same time, the activist wing of our party is kind of dragging us down.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right. And that's what people associate with on social media. Every Democrat is like that.

[Adam Mochler]

Every Democrat is like the college blue haired activists.

[Charlie Kirk]

Destiny.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, yeah, like destiny. And it's, you know, it's fair to flip it. On the other side, people think the craziest MAGA supporters are every single Trump supporter. That's not true at all. But I think that there is some truth to the idea that our activists don't usually make it into Congress. Actually our activists vote against us. So these far left people, when you look at like has piker.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

He doesn't even vote blue. He doesn't even tell his audience to vote blue. He's so far left. He's way farther left in the Democratic Party. So our activists give us a bad name. Like those pro Palestinian protesters who give us a bad name. They didn't even vote for Biden.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Adam Mochler]

But then when you look at the far right people, they're actually given a seat in Congress. Like I think Marjorie Taylor Greene is definitely farther right than both of us. She pushes a lot of conspiracy theories. Half of Republicans in Congress, maybe even more, say they believe the 2020 election was stolen. So you've got Republicans in Congress actually believing conspiracy theories. Meanwhile, it's just our activists that make the Democrats look bad. You know what I mean?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I could see that.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do you feel like there's a lot of corruption within Congress?

[Adam Mochler]

Define corruption. Like in what way?

[Charlie Kirk]

So I see these charts of like who's funding who. Basically like a pacs funding some people in Congress, Big pharmas funding Bernie Sanders. Like I see these like where's the money coming from? Do you think that's corrupting them in a way?

[Adam Mochler]

No, I don't Even know if that' Corruption? Well, it's hard if we want to play with terms a little bit. It's not corruption because you're kind of just using the system as it's set up. When you're getting money from lobbyists or a company like, or not a company, but a lobbyist like AIPAC or from certain lobbyists, that is just kind of how the system works. I wouldn't say it's corrupt, but you can say it's guiding the way people vote in Congress for sure. But that's kind of just leveraging the system as it's supposed to be leveraged. I mean, I give you money, then I have a little bit of control. I have your ear. I can tell you what to believe. And yeah, I don't know. I think the thing with Bernie and Warren being funded by these big Medicare companies, I read an article about that, that it wasn't actually big Medicare companies funding them. It was small donors that worked for Medicare, like worked in hospitals. It was nurses, people like that making small time donations that added up to like these huge numbers because they want to see reform.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, so that counts as the company funding when that's the case, I don't.

[Adam Mochler]

Even know if it was the company. I think that maybe we're talking about different from my understanding. I thought Bernie Sanders was being funded by a bunch of like smaller time people that work in health care. But yeah, I mean, is there corruption in Congress? I'm sure, yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, with the stock stuff, that's undebatable.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the stock stuff. And like even Menendez, who's a Democrat, he recently got arrested and charged and yeah, he's.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, really?

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. And Eric Adams, as a Democrat in New York, the mayor of New York, Eric Adams, super corrupt.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Adam Mochler]

So there's corruption between mayors, between Congress people. But I just think that, not to take it back to Trump, but the level of corruption Trump shows is kind of just next level.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I like that you call out your own party, though. That's, that's respect, man.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, I mean, right now is the time to do that for sure. When, when we took a massive effing loss. Call out your own party. And yeah, I'm not, I'm definitely not like a far left hardliner who's crazy about the Democrat. I'm a Democrat for sure. I am liberal to the core, but I can call out when my party has messed up. What did you think about, what did you think about Trump's meme coin?

[Charlie Kirk]

I didn't buy. I was actually in D.C. when he launched it, and I met a ton of people that made money off it.

[Adam Mochler]

Damn. I was in D.C. as well.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, you were? Oh, you went to the inauguration?

[Adam Mochler]

I covered the rally the day before, but then when they moved the inauguration inside, we decided, like, I'm just gonna go back to the studio and do stuff in the studio. But, yeah, I think the meme coin was wild.

[Charlie Kirk]

I wasn't. I'm in crypto, by the way. I wasn't a fan of it, to be honest. It's just a bad look, dude, when the president launches a meme coin. Like, meme coins are for, like, degenerates, literally, since launching it, it's kind of weird to me.

[Adam Mochler]

The President launched it, but the worst part is he used the hype of his own inauguration to kind of, like, boost it. He did it, I think, 48 hours before the inauguration, and then Melania launches a coin.

[Charlie Kirk]

That was terrible, dude.

[Adam Mochler]

How?

[Charlie Kirk]

That crashed Trump's coin.

[Adam Mochler]

It crashed Trump's coin. I remember that people that had just bought in basically were freaking out.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

Because they bought into Trump's coin. But, yeah, it's. It's pretty insane that the President of the United States is openly doing degen stuff. And I just think that, like, I think it enriched him, too. I just think that when people talk about both sides, like, both sides are corrupt, you can say that the Democratic congressmen and women do stock trading like that, but that's a wholly different level of corruption than the President of the United States leveraging his inauguration to launch a meme coin. I think it's just two different sides.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, crypto is not as regulated.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

So you could get away with stuff like that, but, yeah, the stock stuff blows my mind. I don't know how they're getting away with that.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. I like how AOC always vows to never buy individual stocks. Aoc, I think she doesn't own any stocks or indexes or anything because she just says, you know, would you vote.

[Charlie Kirk]

For her if she ran in 28?

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, if she ran against J.D. vance in 28, I would. But in the primary, probably not. I think that. I think that AOC needs a little bit more time. So if there was a primary full of a bunch of experienced people, as much as I think AOC is the most. Probably the most charismatic messenger in the party right now. When she talks, I listen. She's really good at messaging. I think that if a few clips of Kamala from 2019 could nuke her campaign, like those clips of Kamala Saying far left stuff. Yeah, they have 10 times as many clips of AOC saying really far left stuff. As recently as 2022, AOC is saying, like, super far left stuff. So I just think that would nuke her.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, well, she was on the pronoun wave for a bit, right?

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, she was like on the. Yeah. And I also don't know if. I don't know if Kamala Harris or. Sorry, I don't know if aoc. Yeah, I just. I don't know if she's ready to make a presidential run.

[Charlie Kirk]

I know it's a bit early, but who do you. Who do you think would be the best right now? Newsom.

[Adam Mochler]

Newsom's a little bit. I don't even think Newsom. I think that. Let me see. It is really early. Here's the thing that I always say. In 2004, the Democrats took a massive loss to Bush and the party was kind of in shambles and nobody knew who the Democrats would have in four years. And Obama comes out of nowhere and takes the whole country by storm. Right. And then in 2012, the Republicans. Mitt Romney lost to Obama. And I remember the Republican Party was like, we are so cooked for decade. Like, the Republican Party's fucked. Four years later, Trump comes out of nowhere and just wins. So you never know who's gonna come out in four years. But if there was a ticket I like, like a Shapiro, maybe a Newsom Shapiro could work. Newsom is a little bit too slicked back sometimes. This is nothing against him.

[Charlie Kirk]

Personally, I don't trust him.

[Adam Mochler]

I think he's probably a good guy, a really charismatic guy, but he's got this California slicked back here. Like, you'll shake your hand and then talk about behind the scenes, right, doctor? Yeah, that's how I feel. But I think he's probably a good guy. I would vote for him.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

For aoc. Buddha. Judge, how do you think about how you feel about Buddha?

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't know. I don't know him enough to be honest. Yeah, I'm not as deep in the space as you.

[Adam Mochler]

He's. He's really cool. He's really cool.

[Charlie Kirk]

Where do you rank Trump just being totally objective out of presidents in your lifetime in terms of effectiveness?

[Adam Mochler]

Presidents in my lifetime, in terms of effectiveness. Last.

[Charlie Kirk]

They're like, just be objective, though. Put your differences to the side.

[Adam Mochler]

Okay. It depends on what you mean by effective. There's a few things that you could say. Has he signed a huge amount of executive orders? Yeah, but like, to what end? How effective is it to sign an executive order that gets blocked by the courts. And the thing is, Biden was way more. I know that people will disagree with this. Biden was way more effective than Donald Trump. Biden is the negotiator Trump dreams of being, and I can back that up. Biden took office, and due to his massive amount of experience in Washington, he was able to pass the Inflation Reduction Act, a massive Covid bill. He was able to pass the Chips and Science act, the PACT Act. He was able to pass all of this stuff and a lot of times get Republicans to sign on. Meanwhile, Donald Trump has to do everything via executive order. If Trump was actually effective, like, as effective as he claims to be, then he would be able to pass this stuff through Congress and get both sides to come together. But he has to do executive order after executive order after executive order. So to answer your question, where do I rank Trump on effectiveness? Well, in his first term, we can go off that. He ran on building the wall. It didn't really happen that much. He said he was gonna lock up Hillary. Didn't really happen. Not that I would want it to. He said that he was. All he got done was his tax bill, the tax cuts that he did in 2017, the tax cut and Jobs Act. So I don't think he was that effective in his first term. Now, there is an argument to be made that during the second term, he's been effective because he signed, like, 100 executive orders. But again, Congress hasn't really passed anything. Trump doesn't really have his landmark piece of legislation. Like, for Obama, it would be Obamacare.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

Affordable Care Act, Biden, probably the inflation Reduction Act. I just don't know if Trump has been that effective at passing legislation. But Trump has reshaped the entire Republican Party in a way that no Democratic politician.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, you got to give them that.

[Adam Mochler]

There's. Yeah, there's things I can reach across and give Trump certain things. Like, Trump is incredibly good on camera, and a lot of liberals won't even admit that. But when Trump goes on camera, this dude is fun to watch. He's funny, and I disagree with him on everything, of course, but this dude is, like, he's fun to watch on camera. He's. He's also a really good marketer. Like, some of the slogans he comes up with. Some of the stuff they come up with is pretty clever. I think he's a pretty good strategist. I think there are times in politics when he outplays the Democrats or he baits the media into saying something about him. So I do think he's actually a pretty smart political strategist, but I don't know if he's effective at governing.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

You know how I was saying earlier that there's a difference between marketing yourself and actually governing? I think that he's effective at marketing himself, but not a very effective governor.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I guess time will tell. We'll see how his second term goes.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, very true.

[Charlie Kirk]

You're right, though. He doesn't have that landmark thing. I've seen old videos of Biden and it's actually impressive the way he used to talk.

[Adam Mochler]

Biden was. Biden was sharp. He was a good politician.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. I think recency bias plays a role in people's perception of Biden because I think he can't talk or walk, whatever. But I've seen old videos of him. He was sharp back in the day.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, he was very, very Sharp. Even in 2011, 2012. He was given really powerful speeches. And I think that history will look back fondly on Biden's presidency. I hope, because he passed a lot of stuff. It's really easy to overlook what Biden passed because he couldn't really articulate it much. He couldn't really speak about what he passed. Yeah, he couldn't speak at all in that debate and market himself. So I think that hopefully history will vindicate the Biden presidency and we'll see with Trump. Time will tell.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I think conservatives were just upset. They were hiding it. Yeah, his mental decline. And there's still people like Harry Sisson saying he didn't have any mental decline, but come on now, he clearly had.

[Adam Mochler]

A level of mental decline. Yeah, clearly not a level of mental deterioration. But I still think even a mentally declining Biden would be better than Trump, who is currently alienating NATO and our allies and putting Ukraine down. It's like I would take a mentally deteriorating, steady handed president who could, who could actually speak with Zelensky and not bully him than someone who's. It's not like Trump's that far behind Biden. He's really old.

[Charlie Kirk]

78.

[Adam Mochler]

Right, 78. And that dude's starting to slur his words a lot too. So.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, with his diet, I mean, drinking Coke, Coca Cola every day, McDonald's.

[Adam Mochler]

True, true. And that dude, he does work a lot. I mean, I, you have to be, to be in that position, to be in like the presidential role. But when I was covering his campaign, it would like tire me seeing the amount of events that he and Kamala do. This applies to Kamala as well. But Trump used to sometimes do four to five events a day. He would be in a. He would be in. And Kamala would do this, too. But Trump would be in Philadelphia, then he'd be in Arizona, then he'd be in, like, talking to farmers in Iowa. Like, every single state, a swing state. He would be hitting. It's pretty wild.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's nuts. What'd you think of his pardons? I know the Silk Road one was probably the biggest one, right?

[Adam Mochler]

The Silk Road pardon. I don't really have a strong opinion on that. I thought the J6 pardons were pretty abhorrent.

[Charlie Kirk]

Really?

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. I don't think the J6ers should have.

[Charlie Kirk]

You don't think any of them? No, I've had a few on the podcast.

[Adam Mochler]

Oh, you've had a few on which ones?

[Charlie Kirk]

I had the guy with the horns. There was one in Vegas. Nathan DeGrave and then John Strand.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

I think there's a lot of disinformation that floats around about how they were treated. Was. Were they saying they were actually treated terribly in these prisons? Because.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes, all three of them said they were.

[Adam Mochler]

As far as I'm aware, they got the same amount of due process that everybody else got. Really? So they got access to a team of lawyers. I mean, wasn't the dude that you talked to out on, like, bail or whatever? He was, like, out.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes, the one with horns was out.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. So, I mean, if he was being treated so horribly, then why did he get a team of lawyers? Why did he get everybody to help him get out of prison? I think that if the prisons treated them bad, that's more of an indictment on US prisons, how US prisons operate. But every single J6ER got a due process. They got a team of lawyers just like anybody else. They got to give their arguments in court. A lot of them actually were out on bail. The vast majority of them were out of prison. The ones that were staying in prison were on, like, seditious conspiracy charges. And I think it's just abhorrent that the president pardoned people who like stuck tasers and cops necks. They beat the shit out of cops with American flags. And he then emboldened these people to do it more. I don't know. You've seen a few of them have already been rearrested, right?

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, no, I haven't.

[Adam Mochler]

A few of the January Sixers got arrested on gun charges. One of them got arrested with, like, child solicitation charges.

[Charlie Kirk]

Damn.

[Adam Mochler]

One of them got shot and killed because he got a Fight with a cop? Yeah, One of the J6ers got in a fight with a cop and he got shot and killed actually in Indiana, where I grew up. And it's like, what do you expect? If you pardon somebody who got in a fight with a cop and you call them a patriot, then, yeah, they're gonna feel emboldened or above the law and they're gonna feel like they can fight with cops further and eventually it's going to lead to death. So the fact that like 5 or 6 j 6 years within a month have already ended up back in jail or dead, it's kind of just an indictment on how these people are. They're just impressionable. That's easily radical. So I don't think they should have gotten all pardon. I think they should have gone through the legal system. I think that if you, yeah. If you try to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power, you should go to jail.

[Charlie Kirk]

So do you, do you like pardons at all? Like, do you think there's a place for pardons in general?

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, Presidential pardons are fine.

[Charlie Kirk]

You think so?

[Adam Mochler]

I know, but Biden did a ton with his family as well, and I had mixed feelings about that. But I think that, yeah, pardons definitely have a place. You just, you can't blanket pardon 1500 criminals, 1500 people who tried to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. Like I, you know all the January six arguments, right. About how pretty much Mike Pence was inside the Capitol that day. Is January six something you think that Trump went too far on or.

[Charlie Kirk]

I was surprised when he pardoned everyone. Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think the ones that committed violent crimes shouldn't have been personally.

[Adam Mochler]

But because it's like. Yeah, because Mike Pence on January 6th, like four years ago, Mike Pence was in the Capitol certifying the election results and you had all these people trying to break in to essentially stop Mike Pence. And Trump was tweeting out, Mike Pence didn't do it, needed to be done. So it just made me want. I don't know, it's just all these people don't need to be part of it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Is there any picks, cabinet picks from Trump that you agree with or do you dislike all of them?

[Adam Mochler]

I don't dislike all of them. I think when Marco Rubio got confirmed, I didn't really have a problem. Marco Rubio seems to be like a clear headed, normal Republican who then he opposed Trump back in 2016. Now what Marco Rubio has done since has been kind of. I haven't liked it, but that might be the only one I don't have a problem with because all the other ones are sort of characters. They're real characters. It goes back to what I was saying earlier. Trump prioritizes showmanship over governing. Right. Like this dude, he would rather put on a good show than actually have effective policies. So when he picks people for his cabinet, he picked a bunch of TV stars. He pulled Pete Hagseth straight off of Fox News, Dr. Oz. He chose. He chose a bunch of people who are straight up, just like TV personalities. And I think that it's because he wants to. He wants to have a good, like, propaganda network on TV so that he could show people. I don't know, he could. He could play shit up. Like, also, the mass deportations that he's claiming are happening, it's all performative, in my opinion, from every single fact that I've seen. He's not even beating Biden's daily deportation rate. It's about the same or maybe a little bit above Biden's daily deportation. But what they do is they plaster it on all the TVs, and they have. Yeah, they have, like, Dr. Phil out there. They have all these TV personalities claiming these are crazy mass deportations.

[Charlie Kirk]

That was a major selling point for his last campaign, the deportations.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, yeah. So it's just people were scared, actually.

[Charlie Kirk]

I got a lot of friends that were really scared about that.

[Adam Mochler]

Getting deported.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. What do you think about them?

[Charlie Kirk]

I think if they're here just, you know, not committing crimes, making honest work, I don't see why they should be deported.

[Adam Mochler]

Personally, I think that's what the average American thinks. Yeah. Like, that's literally the most average view. It's. I agree. Now, here's the thing. If you commit a crime, you can get out of the country, especially if you're a repeat offender. We should kick those people out. No liberal is going to disagree with that. Like, Trump is always saying stuff to the effect of liberals want to flood the country with criminals. It's like, number one, you're the one that pardoned the January Sixers. Those are a bunch of criminals who are now on the streets. But number two, liberals will say, if there's an illegal immigrant here who committed a crime, get them the hell out. But if there's someone who has a family here and they're just working, you don't have to deport them. Mass deportations seemed kind of cruel, especially for a country that was built off of immigration. And again, he's not even doing the mass deportations. I keep going back to this. Back to this point of, like, showmanship over actual results. So what does it tell you when Dr. Phil is on TV making a show out of the deportations, but then you check the numbers, and we're not actually beating what Biden was doing in his presidency, but we're on track to just do the same.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's crazy. I didn't know Biden was supporting that money.

[Adam Mochler]

Biden. There is a. There's a normal level of deportations that happen every single year. And with Obama, you know, they used to call him the deporter in chief. I've heard that, yeah, yeah, Obama would deport the hell. But it's not even like him. It's not even Obama sitting there pulling a lever. It's just that ICE has a normal level of deportations. And, yes, it went down after Obama actually, in Obama's last year, went down. And throughout the Trump presidency, it was kind of low. Trump's first term didn't beat Obama's second term. And then Biden's presidency, it was rather low at the beginning due to Covid, and then it picked back up. And right now, I think Trump is slightly beating Biden in the deportations. I think he's doing a little bit more per day, but it's, like, not what he campaigned on.

[Charlie Kirk]

It should be more, though, based off all the number of people that got in during Biden. Right?

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

They're saying 10 million plus.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, yeah, they say that. I don't know what the actual number is. It's hard. If they're undocumented, if they came here legally or, sorry, illegally, then how do you know that it was 10 million? I think people just throw a number or Trump just, like, throws numbers out there. But, yeah, if immigration should be streamlined, liberals want to streamline the immigration process. It's. There's a lot of misconceptions about what liberals believe. Like, from the liberals that you've talked to Harry Sisson, I know you've talked to Beasley, Pac Man, Pacman, too. Does it seem like any of us actually want immigrants to be flowing in, like, committing crime?

[Charlie Kirk]

No.

[Adam Mochler]

Anything? Yeah, yeah. It's not actually like that. So, like, both sides have these warped perceptions of each other where Trump will try to make it seem like liberals really want immigrants coming in here.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Adam Mochler]

Killing young women or whatever the hell is not true at all. And, yeah, I mean, there's probably a middle ground that people could.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, that's why I keep multiple perspectives around me, because you could easily live in a Bubble.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

And you see that with politics, people living in DC Especially. Oh, yeah, now everyone's leaving dc, you see that they're listing their houses.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, yeah. I. I've been in D.C. a few times over the past month, actually, and it's. It's always interesting.

[Charlie Kirk]

What's the energy there recently for you?

[Adam Mochler]

Well, before the Trump term, it was kind of doom and gloom a little bit. Like, I went there in December for a White House event. The White House invited a bunch of creators, and it was kind of like a last hoorah.

[Charlie Kirk]

I saw that one.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. Our last time in the White House.

[Charlie Kirk]

You were with Hunter Biden.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, we were with Hunter Biden. Yeah. Yeah. He's. He's a cool guy. But it was. We were all just kind of, like, talking about what's to come. And I think that, yeah, it's probably a dark place in D.C. because a lot of civil servants are having a rough time. They're getting fired from the government.

[Charlie Kirk]

Damn.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. I think he just declared remote work is no longer allowed. Right. With the government. What do you think about that?

[Adam Mochler]

Again, there should be a middle ground with these things. You don't have to say blanket ban on all remote work. That actually caused a bunch of clutter in D.C. there was this one. I can't remember the exact station, but they have 4,000 parking spots, and 18,000 people were coming back to work on the same day because they were all supposed to come back. So there was a huge traffic jam in D.C. because they. They're not very thought out about some of these executive orders. Should people work in office when they can? Probably. But there should be a middle ground to it. I mean, you should be able to have, like, a certain amount of days. You work from home.

[Charlie Kirk]

I agree. I work from home. And I love it, personally.

[Adam Mochler]

I love it, too. I feel like there's a. There's also this old, like, saying. I don't know if it's a saying, but it's like if you work for eight hours at the office, you probably only spend three or four hours working. And you find other use the other time, like filling in the gaps, figuring out what to do. You can actually be more efficient at home. I think there's an argument. But if you're only working at home, you're losing a lot of crucial social interaction that you need.

[Charlie Kirk]

Which is needed. Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

So there's a middle ground.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's why I come here a couple days a week and then work from home another three days.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, there's a middle ground. That's. That's probably healthy. Absolutely.

[Charlie Kirk]

So Cash Patel looks like he's going to get confirmed today, right? Oh, he got confirmed.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

What do you think about that?

[Adam Mochler]

Not a fan. He seems like he's really interested in weaponizing the Justice Department for Trump's end goals. And it seems like we already have. It seems like we already have the Justice Department kind of clashing with certain. I don't know if you. I don't know if you've been following this at all, but Eric Adams, the mayor of New York, kind of.

[Charlie Kirk]

I saw Tucker's episode.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, yeah. So Eric Adams is, like, very corrupt, like, brazenly corrupt. And he's a Democrat, too, so I'll say that he's corrupt. And his charges are about to get dropped by the Trump DOJ because they cut a deal and it's, like, corrupt. It's total corruption. It's totally illegal. Everything about it is illegal. And they basically said, hey, Eric Adams, if you follow our immigration policy, if you help the Trump administration out with immigration, we will drop your charges. So Trump is already weaponizing and abusing his Justice Department department. And I think that's part of the reason why Biden thought. Here's the thing. Here's what I'll say. Seeing Cash Patel get confirmed today makes me understand a lot more why Biden pardoned his entire family and pardoned all these people. Because when Trump is appointing people who openly will weaponize certain departments to target people.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

Cash Patel. I don't know if you read this, but Cash Patel had a list. He had a list of people that he wanted to target if he got into power. And it was like Liz Cheney, I think it was Jack Smith, all the people that Trump hates. And, yeah, we probably shouldn't have people like that in power, especially when Trump loves loyalty and when he loves to have people that will just do anything for him.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, but wouldn't you say the Justice Department was already weaponized?

[Adam Mochler]

I don't think so. I don't think it was because the Attorney General before was Merrick Garland, and he was like the biggest, honestly pussy ever. Like Merrick Garland. Here's the thing. So are you getting towards that Trump was being targeted unfairly by the Justice Department? Yeah, almost every single. I just don't buy that for a few reasons.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, Tulsi, too. Tulsi Gabbard. She got put on that no flight list or whatever. The watch list.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, Yeah. I think there are valid reasons for all this. Okay, so there's a few things when I think of the Justice Department being weaponized, you need to have clear communications between the president and the Justice Department saying, like, hey, go after Donald Trump and target him. There's no clear evidence of that. There's no evidence at all. And also, all of these indictments were brought by prosecutors and confirmed by grand juries. So before the indictment can even be brought, before Trump can even be charged in New York, for example, in the Manhattan case, a grand jury of his peers had to make sure that the indictment was, like, fine. And then Trump and his lawyers got to choose the jury for the actual. The actual jury pool. It's called the pro. The process is called voir dire, where you pick people for the jury pool. They picked people. They said these people are impartial, or they can put their biases aside. And then Trump was found guilty by a jury of his peers, of Democrats, of Republicans, of men, of women. So I don't know if the Justice Department was being weaponized to target Trump. When it's like a jury, it's a jury pool the whole time of citizens, of other citizens. And, yeah, going back to the first point, there's just no real evidence.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's interesting, because I asked when Charlie Kerr came on, I asked him what the biggest threat to America was. He answered the threat of the justice system being compromised.

[Adam Mochler]

Basically, I would argue that Charlie Kirk is pushing the justice system to be more weaponized than it was before, because, again, Merrick Garland was the AG and this dude did nothing. He didn't go after Trump at all. In fact, he slow walked all of the cases against Trump. And he said, we want everything to play out very slowly. Essentially, we don't want to throw Trump in jail. We want this to be a process where he has a fair trial. So what he does is he drags it out. Trump has four years of not being in jail. He didn't go to jail once because the process was being slow. If they were truly weaponizing the Justice Department, Trump would have been in jail within, like, a year. Probably a year or two of Biden's admin. But, yeah, I mean, they didn't end up doing that. And I also just think, yeah, I don't know.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is a good segue into Trump's recent tweet. He who saves his country does not violate any law.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, that is why I just feel like that's wild to say as the President of the United States. First of all, he's quoting Napoleon, who's an emperor. You can't quote Napoleon with, like, an emperor quote. And Say that you're above the law. I mean, you agree that he's saying he's basically above the law there?

[Charlie Kirk]

I could interpret it that way. Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. Or he's at least laying the groundwork to begin to violate the law, which is kind of scary, in my opinion.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Adam Mochler]

He. Yeah. I mean, as I was saying earlier, the Justice Department with the whole Eric Adams thing, it seems like they're already starting to violate the laws. And there was a court that filed a temporary restraining order against Trump. Right. Not against Trump, but against his whole admin. Because Trump tried to freeze government funding. He tried to freeze all the funding from the government. So a court issued a temporary restraining order, and what happened is Trump just ignored the court order, and a judge had to come out and say, dude, the President is currently ignoring the courts. We're about to have a huge constitutional showdown. And while this is happening, Trump tweets out, the President is above the law.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wild, right?

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do you believe America should be funding any wars?

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, some of them, for sure. Ukraine we should be funding in the sense that we send our old military equipment. Yeah, they get our old military equipment. They get to fight. They get to fend off an authoritarian threat, and we get to benefit. We get rid of our old equipment. Ukraine gets to protect their border. We get the new ally of Ukraine. Europe is strong. I think that other wars we probably shouldn't be dipping our toes in. I think that if we want to go into the Middle east again, like, if Trump actually wants to go boots on ground in Gaza or take Gaza as the US Land, we shouldn't be doing stuff like that.

[Charlie Kirk]

But, yeah, because I see this argument all the time. It's like, why can't we help our own people, our own homeless? Why are we funding these wars? You see that, too, I'm sure.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, definitely. Well, you can do both. Like I said, when we're sending money to Ukraine, it's not actually money. It's largely just military equipment. So we send them tanks, we send them shells. Have you heard this argument before? Yeah, yeah. So we're sending them a lot of military equipment. So it's not mutually exclusive. Like, are we going to send our homeless people tanks or whatever? No. Like, we could send the tanks over to Ukraine and still allocate money towards our homeless people, but Republicans don' Want to do that every time. There is actually a program that helps veterans or helps homeless people or helps any, like, minority. Any group that's in pain, Republicans slash that. Or they shoot it down. Like, right now, they're stripping the va, the Veteran Affairs Committee, because they want to downsize the government. But it's like, so we're not helping the people at home. We can help both. I think that's true, but I think that people using that argument don't understand how we're actually helping other countries.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. I got a lot of veterans, veteran friends. They're struggling. So if they're stripping down the va, that's pretty scary for them.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, and they are. The VA is being stripped. And I just think that when you're moving at breakneck speeds like that, when you're trying to slash the government, you're going to have unintended consequences.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

You're going to do things that end up screwing people over, and you don't realize it till after. So, like, did you read this article a few days ago, they fired the entire team, the entire nuclear stockpile division in some US like institution. And then 24 hours later, they were trying to rehire those nuclear people already because they realized, holy shit, we made a massive mistake. These were highly specialized, uniquely trained people who are supposed to be maintaining our nuclear stockpile. We can't just cut that division. So when Elon Musk is going through and slashing and burning and cutting all of this stuff and saying, we'll fix it afterwards if there's a problem, there are real problems that can arise with veterans or with the nuclear stockpile. Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. That's good to know. You see this Fort Knox stuff with the gold?

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did see that.

[Charlie Kirk]

There's a lot of concern over gold right now.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, yeah. I didn't. Trump. I read an article about it late last night, but Trump made a post about it recently.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, did he?

[Adam Mochler]

Gonna go check. Yeah, yeah. I'm not too caught up to speed on that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. That particular story, JFK documents. Hopefully those drop soon. You got any predictions for what happened? A lot of conspiracies on that one.

[Adam Mochler]

I tend to, like, move away from the conspiracies where it's like. Where it requires a bunch of people to be keeping something secret for decades on decades on decades. Like when it comes to JFK or like a 911 investigation, people, those conspiracies are all the same to me. Where it's like, you really think hundreds to thousands of people are all colluding quietly and there's been no leaks about this or that? I think it'll all be of nothing. Burger conspiracy theorists will find something to point out either way about it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. So you're not a Fan of Candace Owens. Done.

[Adam Mochler]

No, I wouldn't say I am. She's a big conspiracy theorist.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, she did expose blm, you know, for what?

[Adam Mochler]

I can't remember.

[Charlie Kirk]

For like money laundering, basically. Oh, yeah, you remember that one?

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, yeah, I do remember that. When they bought a. Some. One of them bought a house.

[Charlie Kirk]

A bunch of them bought.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. Probably shouldn't do that. But I will say, to make. To do the lived argument, defend blm. There is different organizations. There's this BLM parent organization which is super corrupt. It's like the people that bought the house, they funneled all these donations. But there's also all these grassroots movements across the United States. I'm pretty sure BLM was one of the largest grassroots protest movements, which means that there were like 1500 protests that were all decentralized. They had nothing to do with the parent organization that was corrupt. So I will say that corruption, which exists. It's real. I'm not going to say it's not. It shouldn't take away from the fact that they were actually protests about systemic, like, violence.

[Charlie Kirk]

I can see that.

[Adam Mochler]

Do you think. Can I ask you a question?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

Do you think that. That like, systemic racism is real in the sense that BLM makes the argument.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, people are racist towards black people?

[Adam Mochler]

I guess the. The definition of systemic racism would be that. Well, here's the thing, just like, back up. A lot of people think that systemic racism means that like either black people are just put down every single day. Black people are pushed aside. But it's just. They were. My definition of systemic racism is that there were racist laws on the books in the 60s and way before that too.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay.

[Adam Mochler]

And there are still downstream remnants of those laws. Would you say that that's something that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. So I'm not familiar with those laws, so I can't speak on that, but I would say racism exists. People are racist to me growing up.

[Adam Mochler]

Oh, yeah?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. But I wouldn't. Here's the thing. There's. There's the victim card from there. Right. You can say people are racist to you and then play victim, but instead you can choose to just ignore it and move on.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, well, I think that. So to point out some of the specific laws, in the 60s, there were redlining laws that said that black people couldn't take out loans to buy houses in certain areas, so only white people could take out these loans. Therefore, white people were getting houses disproportionately compared to black people and their downstream effect, like decades later. This was in the 60s.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

My grandparents were alive. And you could see how if the white family is allowed to buy a house, build that generational wealth and then. And then continue to build on top of that, build on top of that, then black Americans are left behind. And when people say, like, hey, you can't play victim, or you got to pull yourself up by the bootstraps, can you see how it's like sometimes it's outside of your control, outside of your.

[Charlie Kirk]

Circumstance in that situation. Yeah. If they can't even buy a house, that's. That sucks. I mean.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. Or they couldn't buy a house 60 years ago and now there's downstream effects. Or I just. Can you understand how the system, the institutions can screw over black people even if there's not personal racism involved? I'm not even talking about a KKK member with, like a hood. Do you think that. Do you think that the institutions can make black people's lives harder?

[Charlie Kirk]

I think so, yeah. They have the power to control where the money goes. So in a sense, they can control how many people get this amount of money. Right.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, yeah, that. And there's also just statistics like black and white Americans smoke weed at roughly the same rate. Like they. We smoke weed at roughly the same rate, but black Americans are arrested and charged at a four times higher rates.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wow.

[Adam Mochler]

And it's because. It's not because of any laws on the books. There are no racist laws. But it's because at an individual level, some judges or some cops may be more inclined to pull over and arrest.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, that's. I hear that one all the time. When black people get pulled over, they're going to get arrested. Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Mochler]

So, like, I guess my broad definition of systemic racism is just the cyclical pattern over the years of how people are kind of sucked in to the system. So, for example, like the war on drugs disproportionately affected black Americans. They literally put drugs in majority black neighborhoods, and that creates a fatherless household.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Adam Mochler]

So then that kid has no role model growing up. And they grow up into the same sort of system and they get arrested for pot with the. With the judges that we were just talking about. And then they're. So you can see how the system sort of creates this. This cycle where it makes black people's lives harder, not based on anything they did, just based on the color. Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

I have heard that theory where the government planted drugs in those neighborhoods.

[Adam Mochler]

They did. They absolutely believe that. Oh, yeah. It's not even a theory. Like, the government put crack in black people's neighborhoods. Wow.

[Charlie Kirk]

Was that the CIA?

[Adam Mochler]

I don't know if it was a CIA in particular. It might have been, I think.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I want. Damn. So they really planned this out for a while. This is like a long term plan.

[Adam Mochler]

It's not even that. I don't even think it was planned out. It's just the black Americans have always gotten the short end of the stick. Like even when. Have you heard the Monopoly analogy?

[Charlie Kirk]

No.

[Adam Mochler]

Can I explain it to you? So there's an analogy. You've played Monopoly, right?

[Charlie Kirk]

Classic.

[Adam Mochler]

Imagine you're playing Monopoly and there's two separate teams. There's the A team and the B team. Now the A team is able to, number one, spend 400 rounds building up wealth, acquiring properties. Or wait, let me, let me restart with there's an A team and there's a B team. The A team is able to spend 250 rounds building up wealth, acquiring property, building wealth for generations with all of these different houses and businesses. And then team B is forced to play for team A. And this is, this is equal to white Americans and black Americans. Like white Americans brought over black Americans on ships and they enslaved them. So imagine you're playing Monopoly and the second team has to work for the first team to help build wealth for years and years and years. And then about 200 years into the game, the white team says, okay, the black team is allowed to play now. You're allowed to have cards on the board. You're allowed to play well, the black team is inherently going to be behind, right? They are going to be behind because they don't have the generational wealth, they don't have the property that the white team has. In fact, they've spent the past few years building wealth for the white team. So then they're kind of released and they're saying, like, that's okay. The playing field's supposed to be even now, but it's not going to be even if the white team had 200 years head start. I kind of explained it in a botched way, but.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I get it. That's a good comparison.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah. If you're playing Monopoly and you have a few hundred year head start, then how are the teams supposed to be equal at the end? You can't expect there to be an equal playing field.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right. Because you're going to own all the properties. The black people have to rent from you, right?

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, the black people have to rent from you. And the big key point there is that the black people, black Americans, were building wealth on behalf of white Americans for. For generations. So then the idea that black Americans can come and just, like, pull themselves up by their bootstraps just because in the 60s things were made equal. Like, things weren't made equal until the 60s. So that's why. That's why I said there's 250 rounds, because, yeah, 250 years since you definitely opened my eyes.

[Charlie Kirk]

I did not believe in systemic rac racism before. Before this, so.

[Adam Mochler]

Interesting.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, now you've definitely opened my eyes.

[Adam Mochler]

Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thanks for sharing that.

[Adam Mochler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm glad I could. I mean, that's the thing with both sides. The side is like, a lot of its definitions. So when I say systemic racism, you think, like, are there people being mean to black people? Of course, no. But it's deeper than that. It's. Are there systems at play and laws on the books that are hurting black people? There. There aren't any laws, but there are remnants of laws left over. Yeah, same with dei. Like my DEI analogy. It doesn't have to be, hey, let's just hire more black people just to hire more black people. It's like, can there be a qualified diverse?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, that makes sense. Adam, it's been a fun combo, man. Where can people find you?

[Adam Mochler]

YouTube.com AdamMockler AdamMachler on YouTube. You can go AdamMachler on Instagram, on Twitter, on TikTok. It's Adam Mockler everywhere. M O C K L E R. Thank you for having me. Absolutely.

[Charlie Kirk]

Check them out, guys. See you next time.

[Adam Mochler]

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