They Don't Want You To Know What's Beyond Antarctica... Flat Earth Dave | DSH #2083

Summary

Digital Social Hour – "They Don't Want You To Know What's Beyond Antarctica... Flat Earth Dave" | Episode #2083

Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Dave Weiss, aka "Flat Earth Dave"
Date: July 27, 2026

Episode Overview

In this thought-provoking episode, Sean Kelly hosts Dave Weiss, known as "Flat Earth Dave," for a deep dive into flat earth theory, the motives behind the "globe" narrative, and the broader implications for individual empowerment and societal control. Blending skepticism, conspiracy analysis, philosophical musings, and a dash of humor, the conversation peels back the layers of mainstream cosmology, government, and indoctrination, aiming to spark curiosity and critical thinking in listeners.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. The "Globe Lie" and Motivation for Deception

• Central Claim: The globe model is a deliberate deception to keep humanity ignorant of its true power and centrality in creation.
• Indoctrination Allegations: School systems serve as indoctrination centers (00:42-01:43). Common facts about the earth (e.g., radius, circumference) aren’t truly known or understood, even by those who defend the globe model.
• Purpose for the Lie:

  "It's because they want to hide the fact that we're at the center of creation... they don't want us to know that we are special, that our thoughts create our reality." (01:06-01:33, A/Dave)

2. Antarctica & Maps: What’s Really at the ‘Edge’

• Flat Earth Layout: Antarctica is not a continent at the ‘bottom’ but the high-elevation shoreline that contains the world’s oceans (04:20-05:26).
• Flat Earth Map vs. Globe: The azimuthal equidistant (AE) map predates the globe concept and is allegedly foundational for globalist deception (04:20-05:50).
• Conspiracy of Exploration:

  "All the countries in the world agree that nobody can freely explore Antarctica." (05:50, A/Dave)
  Notably, direct Southern Hemisphere flights or explorations are suspiciously circuitous, which supports the flat earth map assertions.

3. Debunking Globe ‘Proofs’ and the Challenge for Evidence

• Offer of Reward:

  "I offer three bitcoins for anybody that can come up with one globe proof." (07:11, A/Dave)
  Dave advertises his app (“Flat Earth, Sun, Moon, and Zodiac Clock App”) and the challenge that, if followed methodically, leads people away from globe proofs.

• Most Common Globe Arguments Addressed: Tides, gravity, seeing too far, sunsets, seasons, and more are claims with explanations offered within his resources/app (07:44-08:07).

4. Gravity, Science, and Alternative Physics

• Distrust of Gravity: Gravity is not proven; experiments (like Cavendish) are misinterpreted — electrostatics and density better explain observable effects (13:26–16:38).
• Electrostatics:

  "We can manipulate electrostatics... Now does that mean gravity’s not real? Well, gravity could be real also, but it’s never been proven. It’s a theory." (14:13-15:36, A/Dave)

• Science & Math Suppression:
  Vex over the education system’s focus on “slave math,” neglect of sacred geometry, and vortex mathematics (16:10-17:11).

5. Cosmology & The Creator

• Spiritual Angle:

  "If you want to dilute God... pour it into infinite space versus [knowing] we are in an enclosed, intelligently designed system by, for lack of a better word, God, a creator." (11:37-12:38, A/Dave)

• From Atheism to Faith: Dave discusses his personal shift from atheism to a belief in a creator, which he attributes to flat earth discoveries.

6. Governments, Division, and ‘Loosh Energy’

• Control via Division: National borders, wars, and division by race/gender/ideology are tools for controlling masses and harvesting “loosh energy”—described as fear/misery that fuels demonic elites (01:33-04:13, 38:15-38:40).
• Illusion of Government:

  "The only power government has over you is in your imagination... Governments are an illusion." (32:44-33:16, A/Dave)

• Voting as Consent: In Dave's view, voting energetically consents to being ruled; personal sovereignty must be reclaimed (32:44-33:16).

7. Space, NASA, and Media Manipulation

• Moon Landings & Astronauts:
  Dave claims the moon landings were fabricated, points to whistleblowers, and claims mainstream media/NASA deliberately deceives (61:07-61:36).
  • Memorable anecdote:

    "Buzz [Aldrin] looked at him... and goes, ‘You’re a smart man.’ And he walked away." (62:28, A/Dave)

• Media & Social Media: “Paid agents” and “bot farms” fill comment sections to troll or discredit flat earth proponents (06:43-06:46, 47:56-48:37, A/Dave).
• Rocket Launches and Billionaires:
  Dave critiques Elon Musk, Branson, and others—calling their rockets “so fake,” filled with sexual occult symbolism, and their PR stunts laughably staged (64:44-68:17).
  • Notable quote:

    "His rockets ... If I had showed it to you without context and go, ‘Hey, we're making a movie about going to Mars’... you’d say, this is the worst movie ever." (64:44-65:51, A/Dave)

8. Aliens, False Flags, & Predictive Programming

• Alien Invasion as Social Engineering:

  "They’re warming everybody up for an alien invasion... They need our energy to do this stuff. They can't do it without our permission. It's like the vampire rule. Can't come into your house unless you invite them in." (33:21-34:52, A/Dave)

• Consent in Manipulation: Karmic laws require consent or at least non-resistance; non-answers are consent (35:03-35:33, A/Dave).

9. Simulation, Mandela Effect, and the Nature of Reality

• Mandela Effect: Certain shared false memories (like braces in Bond’s Moonraker) point to reality’s malleability; ancient texts predicted such confusion (40:33-41:59).
• Reality as Simulation:

  "We’re in some sort of simulation, right? We are eternal souls. This isn’t who you are." (42:41, A/Dave)

• On Time: Only the present—"the now"—exists, past and future are refracted illusions (42:54-44:05, A/Dave and B/Sean).

10. Awakening, Empowerment, and Next Steps

• Waking Up as Resistance:
  "One man awake is more powerful than a million elite sleeping." (69:29, A/Dave)
• Call to Action:
  Investigate, question indoctrination, express love, unplug from the control matrix, and nurture community (35:52-36:05, 69:29-70:09).
• The Real Prison:

  "The prison is the globe... They don't want you knowing that you're in a prison. The prison is the globe." (28:52, A/Dave)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "It's because they want to hide the fact that we're at the center of creation... they don't want us to know that we are at the center, we are special, that our thoughts create our reality." (01:06-01:33, Dave)
• "Three bitcoins for anybody that can come up with one globe proof." (07:11, Dave)
• On gravity: "Gravity could be real also, but it's never been proven. It's a theory." (15:36, Dave)
• "If you want to dilute God... pour it into infinite space..." (11:37, Dave)
• “Belief is the lazy man’s knowing.” (40:29, 64:03, Dave)
• "The only power government has over you is in your imagination." (32:44, Dave)
• [Using anti-flat earth trolls] "Bot farms. And just lazy trolls." (06:43-06:46, Dave)
• On the Mandela Effect: "Dolly never had braces. It doesn’t make any sense." (41:08, Dave)
• "If you think I’m crazy, spend the $3 on my app and prove me wrong. And I’m done. I’ll go back to my old business." (52:14, Dave)
• "We are eternal souls. This isn’t who you are." (42:41, Dave)
• "One man awake is more powerful than a million elite sleeping." (69:29, Dave)
• "Thank you NASA; you're creating more flat earthers than me." (11:00, 67:41, Dave)
• On voting: "If you vote, you are comically, energetically giving your permission... that you are allowing someone to rule over you." (32:44-33:16, Dave)
• "Love is the energy that powers everything." (36:05, Dave)

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Timeline of Important Segments

• 00:01-01:43 – Opening: Indoctrination, centrality of humanity, the "globe lie"
• 04:20-05:50 – Map debates and the mystery of Antarctica
• 06:43-07:44 – App introduction, censorship, challenge for globe proof
• 13:26-17:11 – Gravity, electrostatics, sacred geometry, suppressed sciences
• 31:33-36:04 – Governments, consent, spirituality, and societal division
• 47:56-48:37 – Social media manipulation, paid trolls
• 61:07-63:42 – Moon landing, astronauts, governmental cover-ups
• 64:44-68:17 – Elon Musk, fake rockets, sex magic symbolism
• 69:29-70:09 – Awakening, unplugging from the matrix, closing call to action

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Tone & Style

Dave’s delivery is direct, emphatic, sometimes irreverent, often blending earnestness with humor. He frequently urges listeners not to take his word at face value, but to "go verify" (18:33-18:48), and challenges authority, mainstream consensus, and the very definition of knowledge. The tone is provocative, occasionally conspiratorial, but always focused on personal empowerment and independent thought.

Sean remains an open-minded, inquisitive host—skeptical but receptive, asking thoughtful questions without committing to either side.

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Useful Links & Further Exploration

• App: Flat Earth, Sun, Moon, and Zodiac Clock App – flatearthdave.com
• YouTube: D I T R H – Dave's primary video library
• Crash Course: Hosted resources for debunking globe proofs
• Further Enquiry: Topics to look up: vortex mathematics, sacred geometry, the AE map, NASA whistleblowers, Mandela Effect examples.

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Summary Takeaways

• The episode is less a scientific debate, more a guided tour through the worldview of a committed flat earther, blending critiques of science, education, government, and media with philosophical explorations on reality, consciousness, control, and the possibility of a creator.
• Listeners are repeatedly invited to challenge their assumptions, research independently, and recognize the role that narrative, consent, and belief play in collective reality.
• Ultimately, the conversation aims to empower people to take responsibility for their understanding—and their sovereignty—within a world Dave claims is far stranger and more controlled than most have realized.

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For those wanting to learn more, or take up Dave's challenge, visit his app or website. As always, verify, question, and think for yourself.

Transcript

[A]

And it's because they want to hide the fact that we're at the center of creation. You know, we've got Bill Nye the lion guy with the bow tie, and you got Neil DeGrasse Tyson. They say to think that humans are at the center is so outrageous. You know, it's so egotistical when the universe is so big, this is indoctrinated into kids. So they don't want us to know that we are at the center, we are special, that our thoughts create our reality. They don't want us to know that there's probably more land, more civilizations, more technology, free energy to. The point is the people that run this world are the literally demonic and they feed off of what's called loose energy. And then if you really try to debunk flat earth, improve the globe, you'll become a glober, become a flat earther before you even get to me.

[B]

All right, guys, got a fun one today. We got flat earth. Dave, been watching you for years, man. It's nice to finally meet you and learn from you.

[A]

Thanks, man. I didn't know you were watching me for years.

[B]

I was.

[A]

So that means you must be a flat earther.

[B]

I would say I'm open to it.

[A]

Open to it.

[B]

Okay. I'm not like set on any opinion.

[A]

That's, that's, that's the really a great place to be. When somebody says to me, I don't know anything about whether it's flat or not. You know, more than people that think they know everything, right. And think it's a globe. What I say to people, and you probably can answer some of these questions. People like, oh, it's absolutely a globe. I'm like, great. I say, well, what's the radius of the earth? Do you know?

[B]

No.

[A]

Do you know the circumference? You know, how fast it's spinning at the equator, how far from the sun? How they figured that out, right? You don't know any of these things, but you defend, not you specifically, people will defend the globe and they don't know anything about it other than what they learned when they were five years old.

[B]

We've been indoctrinated, right?

[A]

Indoctrinated. The school is not education, it's indoctrination. How do you make your parents happy and the teachers happy and graduate? You memorize and regurgitate the nonsense that's in the Rockefeller funded textbooks.

[B]

Why do you think they push that specifically though, like the, the globe narrative,

[A]

you know, the, the jumping to why the lie? I'm not the One that's lying. So how do I know? But I do have a great opinion, and it's. It's pretty darn obvious. And normally the way things go is people say, what about seasons? What about sunsets? And you knock all these things down and they go, well, why would they lie? So you're jumping to that point. I actually love that. It actually, it's a sign of intelligence, in my opinion. And it's because they want to hide the fact that we're at the center of creation. You know, we've got Bill Nye the lion guy with the bow tie, and you got Neil DeGrasse Tyson. They say to think that humans are at the center is so outrageous, you know, is so egotistical. When the universe is so big, this is indoctrinated into kids. So they don't want us to know that we are at the center, we are special, that our thoughts create our reality. They don't want us to know that there's probably more land, more civilizations, more technology, free energy. They don't want us to know. Know that the. There isn't all of this division, right? All of the countries board. What's the difference between a Canadian and an American that live a mile from each other? There's no difference. There's just an imaginary line that says, you're Canadian, you're American, and all the other countries. All that division is, is it's just programmed into people. And then, you know, like children are told they hate the Palestinians, so they grow up hating Palestinians. They don't know why, right? So all of these wars, it's not the people, it's the governments orchestrating the people to hate each other. Because jumping to the, to the point is the people that run this world are literally demonic and they feed off of what's called loose energy. Have you ever heard the term boosh? Energy is fear energy. They feed off of misery and pain and suffering. I've heard. And they want us, they want us feeding them that. That energy, you know, Feeding energy. That's weird. There's so many things that, you know, we feed off the energy of the sun, right? The sun keeps us alive, right? So they. They feed off of this demonic fear, which is the opposite of love. And they, they want us divided and fighting and. And they don't care what side we take as long as we fight.

[B]

That makes sense.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When you look at a world map, like seven continents, however many countries, is that all just bullshit? Like, what do you mean?

[A]

No, it's pretty accurate. You know, the. I Mean the globe is not accurate. And we can prove, you know, all different ways that the lighting on the globe, the spacing between the continents, it's wrong. There's a thing called the azimuthal equidistant map. Now the globers will say, oh, you just took a globe and flattened it out. The truth is that was around before the globe. They took that and wrapped it around a ball. So the shoreline of our world pond is Antarctica. Antarctica is. If you rated all the average elevations of continents, Antarctica is number one. And it's over twice the height of number two. Interesting, right?

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. So Antarctica is the highest average elevation of any continent of the world by double number two. So large bodies of water at rest need containment. You're drinking that cup there is contained. If it got rid of the cup, the water's the liquids that's going to flow. So think of our world pond as a giant, our world oceans as a giant pond. The shoreline contains the water. It has to be higher than the water. Antarctica is what surrounds us. It's not down here, it's out here.

[B]

Interesting. Yeah, because on the map you're right. It's either it's at the bottom, right?

[A]

Well it's. So if you take the, if you take the look up the AE map, just Google it, it'll come right up anywhere that's listening. And you cut it out and wrap it around a ball. That outer rim becomes a continent squished at the bottom. Guess what? All the countries in the world agree that nobody can freely explore Antarctica.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Nobody goes from Santiago over to Australia. That would be the shortest route. They go all the way up to Texas, to California, then to Texas and then all the way back down.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

But if you look at it on a flat earth map, it's a straight line.

[B]

That makes sense. That's why they made it flat.

[A]

Yeah, I created the censorship is incredible. It's hard to find anything. If You Google Top 10 reasons the Earth is flat, you're going to get top 10 reasons the Earth is a globe. Right. So that, that should be, you know, sign number one. When you post this online, you're going to get a lot of flat earthers making great comments. Look at their channels. Wow, these are real people. Then you're going to get anti flat earthers out there. Dave's a scammer. Dave's app uses the Haver sign formula. Dave, you're going to get all of this nonsense and then you look at their channels and I call them big. The complete globe proof channels because you go to the channel and there's absolutely nothing on there.

[B]

Bot farms.

[A]

Bot farms. And just lazy trolls.

[B]

Right. So you said you have an app. What's that app about?

[A]

The app is called the. The Flat Earth, Sun, Moon, and Zodiac clock app. You don't have to remember that. Just go to.

[B]

In the video.

[A]

Yeah. Flutterave.com. and that's the app. And it shows you how the. How the. How the. How it works, how the. How the stars circle around. It has daily video every day. And at a bitcoin conference right Now, I offer three bitcoins for anybody that can come up with one globe proof.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's $300,000.

[A]

Yeah. Well, it wasn't when I first offered it, but now. Now. Now it. Now. But I'm not worried because the Earth is not a globe. And the. The. The thing is, I don't want you to waste my time. Every day, you watch the daily video for two weeks. At the end of that two weeks, if you think you have a globe proof. Many people think they do, you can present it to me, but you have to go to the frequently asked questions page first to make sure it's not answered there. Where. Where. Wow. And then if you really try to debunk flat Earth, improve the globe, you'll become a glober. You become a flat Earther before you even get to me.

[B]

So those are the most asked questions you get. One of them was, what about tides?

[A]

Yeah, what about tides? Where does the sun go? Why would they lie? Where's the edge? Gravity. We can see too far. Boats over the horizon. Seasons. All of it is explained. You know, like, let's pretend that you've never heard of flat Earth. You believe the Earth is a globe. What's your number one reason that the Earth is a. You think the Earth is a globe.

[B]

My number one reason it'd be a globe. I literally can't even answer that.

[A]

Because there are none. There really are none. You're a smart guy. And the thing is, we were trained that the Earth was a globe before we can talk. Sesame street had astronauts, right? Your parents probably got you NASA bed sheets. You had a mobile of the solar system above your crib. And then you go to school, one of the first things they teach you is about gravity. They swing a bucket around with water in it. That's not gravity, actually. That's completely different. And they'll tell you that the sun goes. The Earth goes around the sun, the moon goes around the Earth. And yet I remember my sheet as a little kid. I had to. Why are they teaching little kids that? And here's why we have such crazy arguments with people. Because when something you learned before in life is challenged, you revert to the age when you learned it. So when you go to a grown man whose whole life was built around the Earth being a globe, you tell him it's flat. He becomes a five year old.

[B]

That's what happens with religion, with politics. Yeah. With everything with flat earth science.

[A]

It's incredible.

[B]

It is.

[A]

It's absolutely incredible. And, and you'll see the, just the, the, the, the people that fight against it, they have. They never offer a proof. You know, what? If there's so many flat Earthers been out, there's tens of. There's tens of millions. I mean, there was 10 million in Brazil in 2017. In 2017, they did a survey in Brazil. Do you think the Earth is a globe or flat? And 10 million or 11 million in 2017 just in Brazil said not a globe.

[B]

Is that because their education system isn't compromised?

[A]

Maybe, maybe. You know, they're still teaching flat earth in Costa Rica in some places. They were teaching flat earth here in America until. In the, into the early 1900s, mid-1900s.

[B]

Really.

[A]

But yeah, so this, this is my app. This is just showing the people in America.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

Yeah, that, that, that are using my friend finder on the app.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's a lot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How's it in Vegas? Any flat Earthers here?

[A]

Oh, yeah. Check this out. I'll show you Vegas. Last time I was here, there wasn't that many, but now here, here's Vegas right there.

[B]

Dang. That's a good amount.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's crazy waking people up, man.

[A]

Look at you. It is. And, and, and the elite don't like it. They really. I'm super highly censored and. But here's the thing, Sean. You're getting in at the perfect time because everyone's waking up. I actually have a theory that they're trying to wake people up with this Artemis trip that they just did, the trip around the moon. We were expecting at least a good effort. It was the worst ever. None of it's real. It's AI. It's nonsense. It's so many things wrong with it. And I think they're purposely giving these clues out because they want to get people ready. I. I have a shout out to NASA. Thank you. You're creating more flat Earthers than me.

[B]

People used to really rock with NASA though, growing up.

[A]

Yeah, well, so did I had NASA. I had a NASA sweatshirt. And. And I had, you know, I had stars on my ceiling.

[B]

I used to want to be an astronaut.

[A]

Everyone did. So they took God out of school. They took praying out of school when I was a kid, and they replaced it with the Space Initiative. Right. And. And so the Space Initiative is literally anti God. It's anti. It's, you know, it's. If you want to dilute something. If I want to dilute a glass of milk and I poured it in a bathtub. Did I dilute it?

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah, I did. It's diluted. I poured in a bathtub a glass of milk into a bathtub.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I diluted it.

[A]

But if I poured it into a swimming pool, it's more diluted. If I poured it into the ocean, it's pretty much gone. How do you dilute God? Pour it into infinite space versus we are in an enclosed, intelligently designed system by, for lack of a better word, God, a creator. Right. I was pretty much, and I'm embarrassed to say it, an atheist. My entire life, I just believed in evolution. I didn't believe in anything. I was a little spiritual, you know. And then when I found out that the Earth is intelligently designed, I had to step back and go, that means there's a creator. And they can't deny it. You can't deny it. There's a verse in the Bible that says, once you see my creation, you can no longer deny my existence. And that's a fact. First day on Earth, you're walking around, you don't know anything. In the middle of jungle, all of a sudden, you come to a clearing and there's. The World trade tower is 110 stories tall. Do you know for a fact that there's a builder?

[B]

It would have to be built.

[A]

It would have to be a builder. You know, there's a builder. Do you know who the builder is? Not necessarily. Right. But, you know, for an undeniable fact, somebody built it. Some intelligence built it. That's the same with the flat Earth. Once you. And it's not the shape. Once you understand what this place is and what it isn't, spinning wet rock in a space vacuum, then you know that there's a creator. And I've kind of found my calling is to bring people to that realization and then they take their journey, their relationship with the Creator, on their own. I don't think anyone should tell anybody what their relationship with. With the Creator is. Everyone has to figure it out themselves. Because it's your personal journey. The God is within us. Yeah, you don't need a middleman.

[B]

You said gravity earlier. You don't believe in gravity, Right?

[A]

Well, look, I dropped my phone. There must be gravity, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's just an observation. What's the cause? Well, you'd have to isolate gravity and have an independent variable to do a scientific test. Never been done.

[B]

Really?

[A]

It's never been done. The only gravity experiment is called the Cavendish experiment, where a guy took two giant lead balls and hung them in a bar and in a. In a barn on levers. And after over. Over two days, they went towards each other. Right. For that, to prove gravity, you'd have to first conclude that it was the center of the balls pulling them together and not the surface electrostatics on the surface. The sun and moon passed over twice during that time. So the sun and moon are electronic. They're an anode and cathode in an electric system. So it didn't prove anything other than something attracted the balls together. Right. We can take electrostatics and manipulate things. We had some helium balloons and we tied them to a button, and it was hovering about 2 inches off the floor. Neutrally hovering. Right. You do it as a kid. And we attached a wire to it that went to a Van de Graaff generator. That can change the charge of something. Not on the flat Earth, just on the Earth. The flat Earth. The Earth. The ground is a neutral or negative. And the sky is positive, testable, scientifically provable. Nobody argues. So we added a stronger positive charge to the button, and it went down because the ground is negative. Positive, negative, attract. Then we discharged it and it went back up. Then we did another thing. We got a little tinfoil triangle and we added a negative charge to it. It went up. Turned it off. It went down. Went up. Independent variable. Tested it, repeated it. Anyone could do it. That's science. So we can manipulate electrostatics. Now, does that mean gravity is not real? Well, gravity could be real also, but it's never been proven. It's a theory. Wow. But here's the thing. The gravitational argument is. They. The. The. The scientists say that the electrostatic force, which they admit is real, is 10 to the 36 power stronger than gravity. That's 10 with 36 zeros. Do you know what that number is? I don't.

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay. Do you know how big that number is? You can't even fathom it. Right. 10 to the 36. That if you had a grain of sand and made it 10 to the 36 bigger, what would you compare that size to? It just Take a wild guess.

[B]

A galaxy.

[A]

Yeah. Well, that's a good guess, but it's 10,000 times wider than the alleged universe. Right. It's so. It's a number so big that it doesn't exist. Yeah, Right. It doesn't exist. Bitcoin doesn't even use that many. Do they use that many? Maybe they use 80. Maybe there's 80 numbers.

[B]

For the seed phrase you're talking about?

[A]

No, for the, for your wallet address. For your private. Private. It's a lot. The number is so big that if every supercomputer in the world worked on it, it would take like 6 million years to find one wallet. If you're lucky. Right. So it's the law of large numbers. They don't teach us in school. They teach us slave math, algebra, managerial, accounting, stuff that makes you a good slave. They don't teach you about vortex mathematics. They don't teach you about sacred geometry. These are things that'll free your mind.

[B]

Yeah. Sacred geometry is fascinating to me.

[A]

Amazing. Look up vortex mathematics.

[B]

I haven't heard of that on YouTube.

[A]

And you'll find. I don't, I haven't looked in a while, but there's this one guy, him and his whiteboard, and he'll. You're like, this is going to be boring. You watch it for a couple minutes. You'd be like, whoa, that's amazing.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. And I, I, I kind of like geometry and, and stuff in school. I don't like calculus and, and. But they're all, those are all fake math. I mean, there's real math, but it, it's nothing useful. It's nothing that's really gonna change your life. It's, it's the other ones that will change your life. And they, they hide all the good stuff.

[B]

Yeah. I haven't used calculus or geometry. Maybe a little bit.

[A]

A little bit. You know, you got to figure out how to fit the tables in this room.

[B]

But I feel like the stuff you learn in elementary is what you like addition and subtraction and division and.

[A]

Yeah, that's important. That's just simple stuff to get through life. But, you know, the sacred geometry is, is absolutely amazing.

[B]

Yes. Do you think all the objects have some sort of sacred geometry involved?

[A]

All that. All of nature does. You know, look at a pineapple, look at plants. They all have that fibonacci spiral. It's absolutely amazing. And you look at the Vanderbilt set, You know, you look at fractals, right? Everything is a fractal. It's, it's absolutely amazing. I Think the Earth is a fractal and you look at the Moon, the patterns on the Moon look like they're a fractal of the Earth. All of this stuff is worth investigating. Here's the thing, globers, when you say, what's your proof of the globe? They love looking up at the lights in the sky. Lights in the sky, sun, moon, stars, comets, whatever. Anything in the sky. The only thing that you can say 100% accurate is that those are lights in the sky. That's the only thing you can say, wait, we don't know what the moon is, Right. There are scientists in the 60s that said the moon is a plasma. You can never land on it. It's very close to the Earth and there's lots of evidence that it is very close to the Earth. And there's lots of evidence that the sun and the Moon that we see are not real. They're not physical.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

They're just a projection into our sky screen. We see it projected in the sky. You're going to have here, you're in Vegas tonight. The moon's going to be pretty close to full. It'll be out in the sky early tonight. Look at it and ask. It'll be in the day sky. If you go outside, look at it, you'll see blue sky behind it. You'll see the dark spots on the moon are blue at night. And later when it's dark, the blue spots turn black. You'll see that it's very, very close. You have to clear your mind. You have to unprogram all of the stuff that you were indoctrinated. And then you have to look at things fresh. I tell people, do not believe anything I tell you. You need to go verify. There's a whole bunch of doors that we've been blinded that we can't see. I'm showing you the doors. It's up to you to go through them and think and use your God given common sense.

[B]

I've heard the argument that the Moon is artificially created.

[A]

Well, I don't think so. I mean, the Bible says that God created the sun and the moon. One to rule the day, one to rule the night. They're both the same size, they appear the same s, both move around the Earth, circling above the Earth in the same direction. But the heliocentric model tells us that no, no, we're going around the sun, the moon's going around us the other way. But it just appears like they're doing the same thing. Right. They're breaking your common sense. That's how they start so young as kids. A kid experiences the sun and the moon move across the sky. He experiences them at the same size and he goes to school and they say, oh no, no, the sun's 400 times bigger than the moon. And worse, the sun isn't setting calmly as I'm watching it set over the ocean. You're falling over backwards faster than the speed of sound. That's the heliocentric model. You watch the sunset. It's beautiful, it's calm. The sun just looks like it's going away, dropping due to perspective, going beyond the atmospheric deck of opacity, which you think is a horizon. It just goes beyond it. But they want you to believe you're falling over backwards faster than the speed of sound. That sounds scary to me.

[B]

Yeah, it doesn't add up to me. Right. And then when you start talking flying and gravity and all this stuff, it just doesn't make sense.

[A]

Well now, even just a regular airplane. But let's talk about the SR71 Blackbird. That the fast, you know, super fast spy plane. It goes Mach 3.2, 3.2 times the speed of sound. Like 2300 miles per hour or something. So you're flying over a ball. The ground is dropping away from you. Ready? 800ft per second. That's an 80 story building. So that plane needs to lower by 80 stories every second so it doesn't fly off into space. What?

[B]

There's no way it's doing that.

[A]

There's absolutely impossible. And now the SR72 supposedly goes 4,000 miles an hour. I think it's like I forget the number. It's either half a mile or a mile per second. Well, that turn would crush you. You'd be on the ceiling and you'd be jello. But if you look at, on a, on a flat Earth, every planes airplane flies in the air over the plane. They fly in a straight line, right. After many pilots know the Earth is flat. Many pilots are just brainwashed. And no, I've take this curved course and my, my heading changes even though I'm going straight because the Earth is a globe. And no, your heading changes because you don't understand how a compass works. You're never taught how a compass works. If this was the North Pole. Yeah, okay. And I had a compass, right. This is my compass, the needle, it's going to point to the North Pole. Right. Because this is the magnetic north.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that would be west.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Right. So if I start going west, I have to keep turning to maintain the heading on the compass, I have to keep turning because the compass always has to point towards the north. So west is a circle around the north.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

East is a circle around the north. Does that prove the Earth is flat? No, because it's the same on a globe. If you were a mile, the Earth is the globe. You're a mile from the North Pole and you want to go east or west, you just have to walk 6.2 miles or 3.14 or 6.28 miles. Right. And you're right back to where you started from. You have to constantly turn, and billions of people have Circumnavigated east and west. 0 have done it south. Because on a globe, you should be able to go around south. South will be down to the bottom and back up again. Zero people have done it. Wow. If this was the North Pole and we both have our backs to it, and we both started walking forward, you're going that way, and I'm going this way. We're both walking south.

[B]

How?

[A]

Because north is behind us. South is every direction away from north. Okay, get a magnet, get a compass. Check it out. It'll show you compasses whether you're in the Northern hemisphere or the southern hemisphere. If you believe you live on a ball, they all point to the north. They all point to the north.

[B]

So if someone just was in a plane and kept going up, how high do you think it would?

[A]

Well, planes can only go up to a certain height because of the air. Because we live in a dynamic system. You know, we should talk about this first. Is. Is space is a vacuum. We're told a vacuum of no pressure air. The natural law says that air violently seeks to equalize. It's always looking for equilibrium. So if I had a box of air, just a box of air from this room, and then we evacuated all the air in the room, that air wants to get out of the box. If I poked a hole in the top side or bottom of the box, it's going to violently equalize with the room. Right. So we have a. We have a. We have a ball of air in a glass thing or the tube to another ball that had. It's got a valve. And we had no vacuum up here, and we have gas down here. We open the valve, the air will equalize instantly. And so it's half up here, half down here. It says equalize. What if we made that top volume the size of a warehouse? It's a vacuum. We open the valve, what's going to happen? All of that air is Going to go up instantly, going to equalize, and it's all going to be gone. We live on the tiny blue dot, the pale blue dot, right? Surrounded by air, surrounded by an infinite vacuum. The air would go gone, and we'd all be dead. There's nothing holding it there. Now the globalists will say gravity holds it down, but I just proved my valve that gravity is not holding the air down. It still will seek the vacuum. So we have to be contained. Well, their, their argument is, well, no gravity is holding it down. And there's a pressure gradient which is true. Highest pressure on the ground, it gets thinner and thinner. Top of Mount Everest, the air is pretty thin. Gets thinner and thinner and thinner and thinner until it's space. Cool story. I could buy it if I really didn't think it through. But we live in a dynamic system, and the higher up you get off the Earth, the colder it gets. The colder it gets, the thinner the air. We also have magnetic fields. Oxygen is attracted to magnetic fields. That could affect how much oxygen is up higher versus down lower. Right. They want to tell you that the lighter gas is slowed up, but we have an ozone layer, and ozone's heavier than oxygen. Why is it up in the air? Why isn't it on the ground? Right. And it's because of its electrostatic potential.

[B]

So all that being said, is it like a set top?

[A]

Like, well, there's, there's some sort of firmament. We're in a container. I don't know what it is. I could read the Bible. It tells me what it is. I can read. I can look at all the ancient civilizations. They can, you know, tell you what it is. Some people think it's frozen oxygen. Some people think it's energetic. Some people think it's crystal. I don't know. I haven't been there. I haven't been able to touch it. Now, I kind of think that we could find out if we can go south through Antarctica. But all the countries in the world that are warring against each other agree that there's no independent exploration of Antarctica.

[B]

You think it's the edge of the Earth?

[A]

I don't think there's an edge like fall off into space. I don't believe in space. I believe that we could live on an infinite plane. It could. Well, that space is infinite.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. It could just go. Let's just say it goes 10 million miles, 100 million mile, a billion miles. Okay. Who knows? We don't know. What if there's more domes out there? What if there's Other lands beyond, beyond Antarctica. What if there's other ponds that have their own circling sun? That'd be another world, an extra. A piece of the plane. What would you call a piece of the plane? A planet. Right. A piece of the plane. And let's just pretend that's real. Again, we're speculating. We don't need to do this to prove the shape of the Earth because we've already falsified the radius. That would just be a few thousand miles away. It's a day trip on a conventional aircraft versus outer space, which is ridiculous. The closest star in the heliocentric system to the earth is 25 trillion miles away. That's four and a half light years, they say.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Which is also light. Light years are nonsense. But 25 trillion miles. So if you and I got in a rocket ship and we're traveling faster than anyone until anyone's gone a mile per second, right? And we traveled 1 trillion seconds, we've gone 1 trillion miles. Mile per second. 1 trillion seconds. 1 trillion miles. Well, now we got to do that 24 more times to get there, right?

[B]

Geez.

[A]

Right? How long is 1 trillion seconds?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

31, 000 years. What if Elon, I heard he's a buddy of yours, lends us a rocket that goes a hundred thousand miles an hour? Unfathomable, right? We only have a ledge that rot that are, you know. Our fastest goes 25,000 miles. We got one that goes four times faster, 100,000 miles an hour. It's only going to take us 28,000 years to get to that star. And then when we get there and find out there's no life on the planets that are allegedly around it, we have to go to the next star, which is magnitudes farther. Space is just a dilution for your mind. It's to make you feel hopeless and lost and insignificant. Your thoughts create, you know, if you're like, oh man, I suck. I'm not smart. If you say stuff like that. Your parasympathetic system reflects that and you become that.

[B]

I believe that.

[A]

Yeah, you become that. So they want you to believe that you're insignificant. You're a random chance. You turn into warm meat when you're dead. You know, they want you not to understand that your thoughts create reality. They don't want you thinking, you know. They don't want you knowing that you're in a prison. The prison is the globe. What if there's more prison planet, you call it? Well, that's what that's What Alex Jones calls it, I don't think it's a prison. I think it's a paradise. I think that if we could survive beyond Antarctica, which maybe we can, maybe we can't, then, then, then that's cool. But the earth is so frigging big. There's so much here, you know, And I think that we're infinite souls, that we're having a physical experience here. Maybe we go to one of the other realms, another construct, if you will, dimension or. Yeah, I did an interview. Do you know who Darius J. Wright is?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, I've seen a lot of his stuff. Yeah, I did a couple of interviews with them and he was talking about his. He does obe traveling and he. Before he even heard about flat earth, he was looking at stuff that he was seeing. He's like, this doesn't make any sense. And then he learned about flat earth. He's like, that's what I'm seeing. That's what I'm seeing.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He does remote viewing, right?

[A]

Yeah, super, super. Well, remote viewing or out of body experience, it's kind of. It's kind of very similar.

[B]

Does that contradict your Christian? You mentioned the Bible a few times.

[A]

Well, I'm not Christian. I. I was pretty much an atheist my whole life until I found flat earth. And then I was like, wow, there's a creator. And I think that the Bible is the most accurate history book ever. And I believe that we all have Christ consciousness within us. Not New Agey, I'm just saying that in the 1700s, all the religious books said that God is within us and that we don't need a middleman. And there's. All the Jesuit priests got together and said we need to take that out. So everybody has to come to our mosque, our temple, our church, whatever. And that way we can be the middleman and control these people. Right. And that's what they do.

[B]

I think it's within us because when you study the greatest minds of all time, they got all their answers from within.

[A]

Yeah. And I think that we have collective consciousness that all of the information of all of this realm is available to us. But they've literally calcified our pineal gland with. From internally and externally. We're breathing it in from the sky, we're eating it in the shit food that we eat. And we're. Some people are letting people inject it into their bloodstream. Okay.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

Yeah. It's absolutely nuts. And here's how they get away with it. One, they make people Believe that a spiritual war and this much evil can't even exist, so therefore they can't see it. If you. I can't believe that that's true. You can't believe it, right? You know, you can't see it because you can't believe it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, and once you, once you break free of that, all fear goes away. Like, it's like, oh, my God, this is horrible that, you know, I'm not in control. We're in a prison, right? Snap out of it, get out of it and free yourself. The only power government has over you is in your imagination. Imagine this goes viral. Everyone in the world watches it. And they go, you know what? That flat Earth Dave, he's right. He's right. We don't. We're going to ignore governments. We don't need a revolution. Ignore the governments. What could they do if everyone ignored them? Yeah, they could do nothing. There would be nothing. They'd be like a flea on your butt. There's nothing they could do. Governments are an illusion. Right? Governments want to be above us. I'm not going to ask you whether you vote or not. I don't, I don't. Okay? Because if you vote, you are comically, energetically giving your permission, whether you're right or wrong, whoever wins. But someone is allowed to rule over you. If you win, they rule over you. If you don't win, the other ones rule over you. And you're allowing it. That's you contracting that you are allowing someone to rule over you.

[B]

Yeah. I never thought of it that way, but it makes sense.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I just never believed it, you know?

[A]

Well, it's, it's, it's all, it's, it's nonsense. And I don't think sometimes in these elections, they don't care who wins. They'll let people vote. Like, okay, everyone voted and the numbers really worked out, but since, you know, last few elections, they've rigged it and everything, but it doesn't matter. You are voting for someone to rule over you. The only one that rules over you is God. And I don't even know if I would allow governments below my feet. I would allow dog crap below my feet before government.

[B]

Okay, the government or the Pentagon just announced they're going to release some UFO files. Did you see that?

[A]

So the, so this is, this is their game plan. You know, you know, the Hill Galian dialectic. The problem reacts to the solution. So they want a one world government, a one world order. So right now we have all these wars going on, all of this Atrocity. And they're, they're warming everybody up for an alien invasion. 10, 15 years ago, if you believed in aliens, you were a nutcase. Now if you don't believe in aliens, you're a nutcase. So they're doing a good job. We had those drones, remember the drones and orbs? We had some over our neighborhood.

[B]

That was in Jersey, right?

[A]

Right. In Connecticut, you know, they were. They're worldwide. Right. And the government goes, we don't know what they are, but they're not dangerous. How dumb of a comment is that? Right, Right. So they're getting people to the point where they're normalizing it. And so when one day when the government goes, there's a, there's an alien mothership or whatever coming, and then all the countries go, let's all band together and fight these. All of the socially engineered people will be like, yes, that's it. And then all the governments come together and they say, you know what? These aliens are mixing in with us. We need digital IDs. Yes. We need digital IDs. And every, everyone will cheer it on. Right. The governments wanted to invade all of these countries in the Middle east, but they couldn't do it until we banged the war drum. So they did 9, 11. And then I banged the war drum. I'm like, let's get these MFers. Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They need our energy to do this stuff. They can't do it without our permission. It's like the vampire rule. Can't come into your house unless you invite them in.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So you have to be careful about the things that you say, the things that you think, the things that you agree to, the things that you sign, the things that you do because you're giving permission.

[B]

It's a karmic thing. Right?

[A]

It's a karmic thing.

[B]

They need to alert you first.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They can't just do it.

[A]

They tell us like, hey, would you like to have this thing stuck in your arm? And then if you don't answer, you know, they're going to ask you again, you know, and, and it. You need to say, I, I'd be glad to do that. If you can show me the actual studies where it's been proven safe, which they can't, you know, so you always need to answer. Non answering is cons is. Is consent. If you don't answer to something, you're consenting to it.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

So you need to counter offer it.

[B]

What do you think they're going to try to do next? Because I feel like another job Won't work.

[A]

I don't think it will work either. And I think that people are waking up quick, so I think they're going to. They're going to try the alien invasion. Everything is pushing towards it, you know, everything. And all I say is make sure you have enough non GMO popcorn because the show is about to begin.

[B]

I'm buying water, I'm buying generators.

[A]

It's not bad to be prepared, you know, it's not bad to be prepared and be prepared to help the people that live around you because they didn't prepare. So you're gonna have to get some for them also or they're gonna kill you.

[B]

Community is important these days.

[A]

Yeah, super important. So it's good to be prepared. It's good not to have any fear. It's good to help your neighbor. It's good to spread love because that's the thing that they hate, right? They hate love. Love is the energy that. That powers everything.

[B]

That's why they hate the nuclear family. Yeah, they attack that with feminism or whatever. Man versus female everything.

[A]

Muammar Gaddafi in the 80s was making speeches about everything that they're doing now. He was screaming it in. What's the language? Is it Libyan? Is. I don't know, whatever.

[B]

I heard that name, but yeah.

[A]

Oh, he's a. He's a leader of Libya that they killed. And he was probably the greatest leader of all time, but we were taught that he was just an evil madman.

[B]

That's how I remember him.

[A]

Yeah, that's how we were taught. All of it's fake. All of. None of it is true. I made a couple videos on it. That Joe, he. He discovered an ocean of water below the ground. It's called primary water below the desert. And so he started building these pipes buried in the desert that you can drive a truck through and was delivering water all over Africa.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Giving families farms. Here's water, here's seeds, here's cattle, here's a tractor. And they had to just do organic farms. And they were popping up all over Africa. It took them 40 years. Largest aquifer project ever. And then when he finished it, the un, Hillary Clinton and Obama's blew it up with the leaded uranium bombs. It's called the great man made river. You never learned about that in school. It's absolutely the worst atrocity ever on the human race. And you didn't hear about it.

[B]

That's awful.

[A]

Yeah, it's crazy. You're not going to find this stuff on your own. My website, flatearthdave.com. check out my app, check out the Crash Course if you think flat earth is stupid. Come take my bitcoins, please. Okay. Come take it there. Go down to the Crash Course and there's a list of videos there. Watch the first five videos and you'll be, you'll be like sending me a message like, hey Dave, sorry for trolling you for all of these years and whatever.

[B]

I'm sure you get a ton of those.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I, I just keep your message short. I get too many emails. Why do you send me a long one? I'm not going to read it.

[B]

Why do you think they keep suppressing Africa? Because they, Bill Gates did some stuff allegedly there too. Like a lot of weird stuff.

[A]

Yeah, they did. They, maybe they were testing, you know, the, the COVID stuff there. You know, for years they start, they, they, they gave vaccines and they sterilized like millions and millions of women.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So they don't want the population getting to the point where we, our collective consciousness. They're afraid of our collective consciousness. So keeping us apart. Six feet apart. Divide by countries, divide by sports teams, divide by political parties. Bl Races, genders. Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

On my app you fill out a profile and there's only two genders to pick from.

[B]

Thank you for doing that, man. I, I can't stand when I get asked like for the gender. And there's like a drop down menu

[A]

on my LinkedIn though I do have my, my pronouns.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

I have sire, lord, and. And. I forget the other one, but they're good.

[B]

I'm glad we got past that weird phase. I feel like people don't care as much.

[A]

Absolutely nuts. You remember Alex Jones used to scream they're, they're turning the frogs gay with astrazene.

[B]

And he was right.

[A]

He's absolutely right.

[B]

The water.

[A]

Yeah, I made a bumper stick, right. On our kapoca this year it said, make David Icke a conspiracy theorist again.

[B]

It's like a compliment now to be considered a conspiracy.

[A]

Well, I, I don't like the word conspiracy theorist. I'm a conspiracy analyst. I use my common sense, my God given senses to look into the things that we're told to just believe. Believe has a big lie in the middle of it. Belief is a lazy man's knowing. And because it takes no effort. I live in Connecticut. You stored that information in your head. If I asked you 10 minutes later, you'd probably say, yeah, you live in Connecticut. No need to verify because you really don't care. It's not important. I used to be the President of the United States. Ten minutes later, if I ask you what I said, you would tell me and I'd say, is it true? You'd say, absolutely not. I said, did you verify it? And you'd be like, no need. I have too many life experiences to know that that's bullshit. Right. Am I allowed to swear? Sorry. And so what if you told a five year old that I used to president United States? And then the next year, in his social studies class, they showed a movie and it showed Dave Weiss as president. And then they went to the White House on their sixth grade trip and my picture was on the wall with all the other presidents. And then you watch some movies and I was listed as president there. And then later in life, you told him, david Weiss is never president. That kid will fight you to the death. And yes, he was. And he has no proof.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's all programming.

[B]

What about Mandela effect? What do you think's going on with that?

[A]

That's interesting. You know, the Mandela effects, some of them are nonsense. Yeah. But there's some that are unbelievable. I don't know if you remember the movie Moonraker with Jaws.

[B]

I didn't see that.

[A]

Moonraker is a James Bond movie. And the, the big guy, the giant guy, he had these metal teeth and he bites people. And at the end, he looks at the girl, Dolly, this little girl that was involved in the movie, and they, she smiles at him and she has big braces across her mouth. And they, they, they had a, like a, you know, they had a connection. And that was the whole purpose of that whole scene. It was like a big part of the movie. Dolly never had braces.

[B]

Huh?

[A]

Go back. I, I bought the old vcr. I put, Dolly never had braces. It doesn't make any sense. So there's. In the Book of Enoch, there is a thing about the Mandela effect that said everything will be backwards. Things will be confused. Plants, fruits will grow backwards. Well, bananas. You ever see a banana plant? The bananas, you know, are. They come out in bunches, right? They all grow. Which way do they go? Down or up or. You don't know.

[B]

If I had to guess. Is it down?

[A]

Yeah, they used to be. Now they grow up. What? They. Now they all grow up. What the heck? Yeah.

[B]

Logically that doesn't make sense.

[A]

And so that's one thing. It said, the fruits will be backwards. And it says the moon will be out of place when there's a crescent moon. It's always been on the right side or the left side. The crescent moon. A little crescent.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Now it's on the bottom.

[B]

Wait, what?

[A]

It just started this year. It's on the bottom.

[B]

Wow. Yeah. It's always.

[A]

It said the moon will be out of place, and the moon is way farther north than it used to be.

[B]

Huh.

[A]

So how can that happen? This world isn't as physical as we think it is. As. As Darius says that when he leaves his body into the other side, he calls it, it's way more physical than this real life experience that we call real life. The. The other side is more physical. So this. We live in this toroid, and in that magnetic toroid, there's a plane of inertia. That's where. That's where we experience physicality. Okay, so we're here having this physical experience in this. I hate the word, but. Simulation.

[B]

Simulation.

[A]

We're in some sort of simulation, right? We are eternal souls. This isn't who you are. We're here right now. Do you think there's a past or a future?

[B]

I was just gonna ask if you think time is linear.

[A]

Have you ever been to the past? You just remember the past. You just remember it. It's. It's a. It's an illusion. It's. The past is. And the future. You can only imagine the future. You know, there's only now. The way Darius explains it, he takes a deck of cards, you spread them out, and that's time. We go from card to card to card to card to card. Put them all together, go to the other side, you see right through the deck. You see them all at the same time. What. What time? There's only the now. And our brain refracts it and spreads it into artificial time. It's hard to wrap your mind around because we are these 3D people. We need time to understand this world, right? But this world is way more like on the other side of you. He says, and it makes sense to me. I really love a mango. There's a mango in his hand, instantly, right? If we had that ability here, there'd be problems because right now, like, a dragon would come through that door and you know, and cook you. And I'm like, oh, man, I really wish I didn't think that, you know, things would happen too fast. But if you notice lately, your life is manifesting faster than it used to. You're. You're.

[B]

I've noticed.

[A]

Yeah, you're. You're younger. But things didn't used to happen. Assassins, they happen now. I think of things and they happen immediately. Sometimes it's Crazy.

[B]

I'll be thinking about someone and they'll text me instantly. Yeah, crazy. Yeah. Time does seem to be going faster.

[A]

And. And, you know, there's tasks where they take a drop of blood from somebody and move it to the other side of the earth. And then they. They poke the person with a pin or something. And the blood reacts. Yeah. There's like quantum connection to everything, so the separation is an illusion. We're all part of this one system. But I like experiencing life, how we experience it. We're here in this system having this physical experience. I came over there and punch you in the shoulder. Ow. It would hurt. You'd think. Dave, cut it out. Right. So we're having this experience, so let's play with it. Let's. Let's live in it. Let's use it and for. For what it is. But once you unplug from the heliocentric mind prison, everything becomes better. Dave, there's so much atrocity in the world. Why. Why are you focusing on the shape of the Earth? There's child trafficking, starvation, war. Why does this matter? This is how they got away with all of this stuff. This is how they get away with everything. Because you're spinning out of control, lost in space. Don't know who you are, don't know your true power. Think that there's shortages. Thinks that we're running out of food, running out of oil. All the old oil wells are full, by the way.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, they're all just refilled.

[B]

Yeah. I remember growing up, this must have

[A]

been a bunch of dinosaurs that climbed in there and died. Right.

[B]

The price keeps going up, but, yeah.

[A]

Yeah, well, the distribution is an issue. And they're. They're literally trying to, you know, to knock down the distribution. And it. They want us worried about it. They want us. They want us fighting. Right. And the thing is, they. People are so programmed. You know, we had a power outage a couple years ago, and gas stations were closed for a couple days. People literally had baseball bats out after two days.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah, it was. It's crazy how nuts people are.

[B]

If they shut off the electrical grid, it would only take a couple days for everyone to go.

[A]

It would be pretty crazy. And people aren't prepared. So I don't know if they'll do that. If they can do that. Maybe they can.

[B]

Or if they get hacked or another country does. It doesn't have to be.

[A]

Well, they'll blame it. Whatever. Whatever. Real things happen. Power outages happen, wars happen. All different things happen. And many times those really Happen. But the story we hear is complete nonsense.

[B]

They'll blame it on someone else.

[A]

Yeah, they'll blame it. They'll just, they'll just. It's all to keep us fighting. But the beautiful thing is if you go back to the loose energy, if you don't feed them, if you just express love, they're efficient farmers, they'll just leave you alone. I'm done with Sean and Dave. These guys are just exuding love and it's disgusting to me. And they'll go farm somebody else. They'll go scare someone else because I'm not scared.

[B]

I feel like they're using that loose energy right now with all these missing scientists.

[A]

I don't even know if it's true because the missing scientists, oh, they were looking into aliens. They were looking into. That's just reaffirming the alien agenda. All these scientists disappeared because they were working on everything that has to do with aliens. So that just makes the alien agenda belief stronger. So I'm not buying into any of that.

[B]

False flower.

[A]

No, those people really may have disappeared. Those people really may have been working on things that they thought were real and now they disappeared them. It's all part of the play. Right. If I'm trying to think of an example. If the, the top guys in bitcoin all disappeared and then they're pushing like, well, the, the bitcoin is going to do this and now all the top guys are going. That's just making it a stronger belief.

[B]

Yeah. Spinning the narrative.

[A]

Yeah, it's been a narrative. There you go.

[B]

Yeah. You always got to think that way these days when you see a headline.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What are they trying to invoke?

[A]

What are they trying to make me feel? What are they trying to make me do? Because that's what they're doing.

[B]

But so many people see it and then they're in fear state or they're angry.

[A]

You can't. I, I have so many people after me. It is incredible, really. And I. These anti flat Earthers, these paid agents, they'll show up in your comments, you know, and they'll all make comments like, oh, Dave's a grifter this and that. He's only here to sell his app. He knows the Earth is, is a globe, but they'll never offer globe proof. Now you'll see comments and really supporting and giving examples. And you go to those channels and you're like, wow, you know, those are real people you can see. You go to the anti flat earth channels. They're all empty. Yeah, my Comment is, is that your best proof? And I see you've compiled all the Globe proofs on your channel, which is your favorite, and people go to look and the channel is empty because there's nothing there.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, your message is resonating. You're getting a lot of engagement lately. I feel like people are waking up

[A]

and I appreciate you having me on. There's a lot of people, a lot of bigger shows that are having me on. I think they're all going to come out at once a lot. There's a lot of big shows that know. That know something's up with the Globe, but they're afraid.

[B]

Let's get you on Rogan, man.

[A]

They're afraid. Well, Rogan, I would gladly go on Rogan, but he feels like he's gatekeeping. This Eddie Bravo is his good friend. Eddie has convinced him that there's something up with this.

[B]

Look how many things Eddie said years ago that he's being proven right on.

[A]

Yeah. Joe Rogan used to be the guy. His saying was, there's no way you can convince me. We went to the moon. There's no way. And he was crushing the moon landing. Yeah, for years. And then he went on vacation. His first interview was Neil Degrasse Tyson. Joe wore an astronaut jumpsuit. And then Joe goes, you know what? Maybe the moon landing's real.

[B]

Real.

[A]

And then Joe got some very big contracts. Really very big.

[B]

Very convincing.

[A]

No, he's not. He's not to you, but no, he's not convincing. He's convincing to anyone that wants to believe because he reinforces what you were told as a child. But everything is like, oh, you want to someone just. His latest video is, Neil, can you. Can you prove the Earth isn't flat? He goes, well, sure. Do you have any tall buildings? He's talking about the Burj Khalifa in the Burger Do, I think. And he said, you can watch the sunset. He goes, have somebody on every floor and have them raise their hand when the sunsets. And the person on the bottom floor will raise their hand, and then the next person will raise their hand, and the next person will raise their hand. And that's because he. He's straw manning and he's. He's gaslighting us. The sun goes beyond the horizon. What is the horizon in the distance? 30, 40, 50 miles away? All of the atmosphere will say, from 40,000ft down. All just goes to a line that appears to be at your eye level, but it's still 40,000ft above your eyes.

[B]

Oh, it still is.

[A]

So think about this. I'm going to draw a picture, and everyone follow. You ever go out on a clear day where there's cumulus clouds? It's kind of like that cloud deck. It looks kind of flat. So let's say Those clouds are 20,000ft above you. Right. So we draw a string straight up to the first cloud. And so you got a strain coming from your eyes straight up to that cloud. And then when we look at the clouds that are 25 miles away, those clouds look like they're touching the water. Right. Just due to perspective.

[B]

Okay, I see what you're saying.

[A]

Right. So if we drew a line, we got a string from your eyes to those clouds, you would see that line going straight across the ocean level. Right? You would see a level line, Right? Correct.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. What if I was standing under that cloud and I can see the line, what would I see? I would see a line from 20,000ft sloping down to you 25 miles away. I'd see a sloping line. Which one is reality? They're both reality. Different. Different way we view it. It's just different perspective. So that line that you have is your horizon. So if this was. If I'm trying to angle it, you're slanting.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So. So this is your eyeline. You're here. And this is the clouds 25 miles away. But you see it like this.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So when the sun goes away. Right. It. This is way above your eyes. When the sun goes away, is it setting from the bottom up?

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah, it is.

[B]

It is. It.

[A]

Look, I'm gonna. Give me your.

[B]

Here, you need a pen?

[A]

I'll go here. So this is your horizon 25 miles away. So this is above your eyeline. So I'm not going to lower this. And tell me if it disappears on the bottom up. From the bottom up, can you see the very bottom here? My finger is on the bottom.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Right. So I'm gonna go from here.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Can you see my finger?

[B]

Yeah, I could still see it. Now I can't.

[A]

Now you can't. It's disappearing from the bottom up.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's more severe because that cloud's 20,000ft, and the sun will just go beyond it.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

It'll just go beyond it from the bottom up. And so. But if you go up higher now, you have a better angle and you can see over those clouds again. I've made many videos on my app and the. Where. The Frequently Asked Questions page. Where does the sun go? And I have videos on how the sun sets like that why the sun doesn't shrink to a dot most of the time. Because on a flat Earth, the sun's low. It should shrink to a dot. Well, there's a reason it doesn't. Too long. It's easier to. What? To. I don't want to explain. Yeah, it's easy to say. If you think I'm crazy, spend the $3 on my app and prove me wrong. And I'm done. I'm out. I'll go back to my old business.

[B]

Has anyone proven you wrong on anything?

[A]

I've. I would say some ideas that we had. I used to say a circling sun in Antarctica would prove the globe, but I was wrong. I used to say the Earth was a globe, but I was wrong for admitting not. Yeah, because I didn't understand that the sun was an apparent thing. I thought the sun was a physical. The sun that we see.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Right. And I have. I have videos on that. But if you think that boats going over the horizon. Go to the boats over the horizon section. It perfectly explains it. If you think that seasons prove it, seasons actually prove the flat Earth. It's unbelievable. If you're standing right next to a campfire, you got a nice big bonfire and you're hot.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

How do you get cooler? You move away. Now you're cooler. Right. In the heliocentric model in the north, the sun is closer to us in the winter by 3 1/2 million miles.

[B]

In the winter, you said in the

[A]

winter it's 3 1/2 million miles closer. But they say it's the tilt of the Earth. We're tilted away from the sun, so the sun's light is spread over a bigger area. That's nonsense. Because in June in Connecticut, I could watch the sun on the horizon. So it's all the way down there. And I could feel the heat on my face. That's the most severe angle. It could be tilted away. And then in December at noon, when the sun's way up here, I could look at the sun. It's 3 1/2 million miles closer. It's a much more direct angle. I can't even feel the heat. That's because it's farther away. Right. So I was in the Yucatan Peninsula and it was 90, 95 degrees in February. Last February. And in Boston, it was negative 10, 100 degree difference. 100 degree difference. In the heliocentric model, Boston was 0.00003% farther from the sun than I was. Doesn't sound like much.

[B]

Not at all.

[A]

Right. But on the flat Earth model Boston was twice as far from the sun.

[B]

That would make more sense, right?

[A]

It makes perfect sense. Frequently asked questions page on my app flat earthdave.com check out the app Seasons. Click that and as you go through each of these, then you'll say, you know what? I never ever thought of these things. Just like earlier, I asked you all those things about the basic things about the Earth. You didn't know them in 10 miles. Now there were told the Earth is so big you were a microbe on a basketball. It would look flat, right? We were programmed with that. In, in three miles, how much curvature is there? No. No idea, right? Six feet. Not a lot. Six feet. So that means a six foot tall person standing next to a waterbed, you know, ocean, lake, whatever, shouldn't be able to see the surface of the water beyond three miles because it's, it's six, it goes over six feet, you're six feet high, you can see that's your, that's your horizon. If you sit down, it's even closer. It's like one and a half miles, right? And at 10 miles, 66ft of curvature, that's a six story building, right? I can look. So what, what got me when I first started researching, and I didn't research it to learn the truth, I researched it to debunk it. I'm like, this is so stupid, right? And so I bought a Nikon P900 that had just come out. Super zoom camera, tripod went down a beach. I had a per perfect day. I zoomed in on a buoy that was just over 10 miles away. Should be behind 66ft of curvature. Not only could I see that 10 foot high buoy, maybe 8 foot high buoy, I could see the surface of the water and the beach beyond it.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And I said, okay, well the curvature formula is wrong. Must be. And so I went to the debunking sites and they're, they're like, well, you have to add in refraction and the curve doesn't work that way. You have to split it because you know, you're looking over a hump instead of from the top down, which is stupid. It's okay. There's only 33ft of curvature. How do I see an eight foot buoy? Then I said, well, I had refraction. So if you add the refraction, maybe there's 10ft of refraction, which is stupid. 20ft, I can still see it. I can still see the water. The radius has been falsified. That means all of space has been Falsified. All of space travel has been falsified.

[B]

That's crazy. So they lied about the radius.

[A]

They lied. They say Eratostes figured it out with his sticks and shadows 2,000 years ago. But that's just a lie. It's a lie. You know the Eratosthenes story? Did they teach that? They say eratosthenes. One day, 2,000 years ago, a mathematician in Greece looked down a well and he saw the sun reflecting in the water. That told him that the sun was directly above the well. Good observation. He said, you know what? The Earth is a globe. If I send my buddy 500 miles away, and he puts a stick straight up and down, if there's a shadow, the only way that could happen is if the stick was turned, like, over the curve of the Earth. So his buddy walks 500 miles counting his steps. That's how he measured it.

[B]

5,000 steps.

[A]

But no, no, 500 miles. And the way he knew it was 500 miles, he counted the number of steps. This is the official story.

[B]

Definitely inaccurate.

[A]

It's so stupid. He got there, somehow he's able to communicate. The weather cooperated. So the sun was out. Right. They were able to communicate. And his stick had a shadow. And he did really good calculation to figure out the sphericity of the Earth. Cool. Right? And the story keeps changing, sticks and shadows and everything. But here we have two posts on the flat Earth. We have a small local sun. Right? So this is a small local sun. There's no shadow. Right. But over here, there's a shadow.

[B]

Yeah, I see it.

[A]

Right. So I can do the same math he did and figure out the sphericity of this table.

[B]

Wow, what an interesting study.

[A]

It's fascinating.

[B]

And they used that for 2000 years.

[A]

They still use it. And here's the thing. He figured out the rate. And Neil Degrasse Tyson and Carl Sagan, he goes and he figured it out within 2% of where we are today. That's amazing. Right? So he's the most famous mathematician, figure out the size of the Earth. Nobody ever. There's many mathematicians that came out of the same area. Nobody ever wrote about him or published a study until the mid-1900s when the Rockefellers took over the education system and put it in their textbooks. Eratosthenes may have been a mathematician back then, but that story is completely made up and inserted into our school books.

[B]

That is crazy. Would you ever sit down with Neil?

[A]

100. I was just on with Bradley and Brad's like, we're gonna invite Neil on. We're gonna have a conversation. I'll sit down with Neil. He'll never sit down with us.

[B]

You're watching this. Neil Open invite.

[A]

Yeah. Well, we've done it many times. And he's like, I don't have time for these flat earthers. It's a waste of time. We have better things to do. Meanwhile, he tells us that the Eagles won a football game because the earth rotated under the football and it made it bounce out of the field goal by a quarter of an inch or something. He'll say, you know, the dumbest things ever is everything he says has been completely debunked. But he will not sit with us. He was actually supposed to vote to post a debate. Eric Dubay, who was one of the original really good flat earthers, and Joe Rogan set it up. He's going to be on the show. They even put it on the calendar. Neil versus Joe Rogan. Neil canceled. No way. Yeah.

[B]

Wow. What about Bill Nye? Would you sit down with him?

[A]

He will never sit down with us, but sure.

[B]

He's getting older now.

[A]

Yeah. And you know, we'll probably get a deathbed confession from him. But, you know, if you, like, someone would talk. Right. Actually, people have talked. We have NASA whistleblowers. Yeah. Buzz Aldrin keeps saying we never. We didn't do that. You didn't watch the video. You watched animation. We didn't go, you know, he's trying everything, but now you don't hear from him at all.

[B]

Those videos have been been debunked. The moon landing videos.

[A]

Oh, please. 100. Normally, when I do a podcast, if someone says they believe in a moon landing, I turn down the podcast. Michael Sartain. Oh, Michael believes in the moon landing. It's incredible.

[B]

He loves.

[A]

So incredible. And Brad, who love, loves Michael, like Michael, I. I can't even deal with you.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So again, you know, Brad asked me, would you talk to Michael? I'm like, it's not worth it. He's too lost in the sauce.

[B]

He got the job too.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

That's like a huge knock for me when I'm. It's a huge take someone.

[A]

All those.

[B]

Unless it was like for a legit reason, but all of those dots.

[A]

So the blue dots on there, we have over230,000 now. 99 of them are unpin cushioned.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's a lot.

[A]

That's good. Unpin cushioned. I mean they didn't. I. I call it pincushion. So you don't get, you know, Got it. I don't like saying the words on YouTube.

[B]

90.

[A]

You said 99 of the people didn't. Oh, why do all the flat Earthers are awoke to that? Why? Why did they. Why did we get it? Are we all dummies or. We all may be using our critical senses.

[B]

Critical thinking lost skill these days. Yeah, too many people don't have it.

[A]

Yeah, it's a shame.

[B]

Have you ever interviewed an astronaut or sat down with an astronaut?

[A]

So they're not allowed to sit down with us. And, you know, I would gladly do it with. But Buzz, one of our guys, was at a. An event where I think it was Buzz Aldrin and. Oh, it's Dave David Nino Rodriguez. Okay, Right. And David said to him, he goes, buzz, we never went to the moon. And Buzz looked at him, put his hand on his shoulder and goes, you're a smart man. And he walked away.

[B]

No way.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Buzz is a legend, man.

[A]

Yeah, Buzz is. Buzz is. Buzz is good. But, you know, he became a serious alcoholic. And, you know, you know. But there's one guy going around, the oldest astronaut. He's been making. Going on. All of the, you know, going on. I forget the name of the shows, but they're interviewing him. He's an old guy. He actually debated Bart Sobral.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And Bart destroyed him. But the problem is he's an astronaut. Respect. He's an old man. Respect. So when you beat up on an old man, especially an astronaut, you get a lot of hate.

[B]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

Right. Bart was very good with him, though. But I don't think he was lying. Bart called him a liar on the show, and that wasn't good. Right. He's not lying. He's under hypnotic spell.

[B]

MK Ultra.

[A]

MK Ultra. Easy. Because I know a lot about it. I used to do hypnosis and. But the guy goes, wait, you think we didn't go? And he was like, totally shocked. And he's like, yeah, we didn't. And then 10 minutes later, something comes up and the guy goes, wait, you think we didn't go? Like, you heard it for the worst five times.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Five times that happened. That's because the hypnotic suggestion didn't tell him that wanted him to be surprised. So he got surprised five times.

[B]

That's hilarious.

[A]

And. And so, you know, people love jumping. You're a liar, you're paid. No. You're mind controlled. You don't even know it.

[B]

A lot of people are. I feel like they figured out how to do it through social media now.

[A]

Oh, really? Good social Media is, is really

[B]

triggered when you say certain words, you know, like the Epstein files or it could be any word.

[A]

But yeah, it's like an instant reaction that's, it's amazing.

[B]

Yeah, you're not even talking to the person at that point.

[A]

You know, as I said, I quote the quote from Crow Triple 7 radio. Belief is the enemy of knowing. I've kind of changed it to belief is the lady Lazy Men's knowing. Where do I live? Connecticut. Do you know it? No. You believe it though. And you're not going to bother to verify it. But if you want to do it, take a little time and effort. Go on my Facebook, you know, steal my wallet, look at my license. Right. You get it, you get, you get time, but we don't have time to verify everything. We're trusting, caring, believing people and that's how they get away with things. Because there's a lot of deception in this world.

[B]

Yeah. What you mentioned Elon earlier. What's your take on him being hyper focused on Mars and all that?

[A]

Yeah, total nonsense. He's either I go back and forth, mind controlled, or just in on it. He's a puppet for the elite. His rockets I have, I break down his rocket launches. They're so fake. Like, I can show you the one when he's testing his Mars rocket. If I had showed it to you without any context and go, yeah, we're making a movie about going to Mars or whatever and I'll check out the scene. You'd watch it. And I go, what do you think? Do we spend our money? Well, you'd be like, this is the worst movie ever. Right? This is so. It's so stupid. It doesn't look real at all. Because it's not. It's so bad. When I break it down for you, you know, you can see it. But if you don't, if you don't, if you don't think, you know, you'll watch an Elon rocket and go, wow, it's amazing. It lands up right side up on a raft in the middle of the ocean. These rockets are going up to outer space. The first stage comes off, it free falls. It's got little milk crate fins that go like this. And it lands on a raft 800 miles off the shore of Florida with nobody on the raft. And every single time the camera filming, it blanks out just before it lands. And then it turns back on and it's landed.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

And it's land, it's on. And it's always beautifully calm out there. I don't know if you know the ocean. The ocean is not calm. Rarely calm. Sometimes it is, but every single time it's calm. Artemis came back 5,000 degrees. What metal can survive 5,000 degrees? Land on the water. No smoke, no steam, and no eyewitness. No eyewitnesses, nothing. NASA can't film the. We don't. Police cars have cameras in them. The police have cameras on them. There's cameras everywhere. No cameras filming the astronauts during the ascent or the takeoff or ascent, because they can't fake it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You ever been. You ever seen those Tesla videos? Cars goes zero to 60 in, like, three seconds. And the people like, whoa. That rocket, when it took off, is going zero to 200 every five seconds. It's increasing by 200 miles an hour for eight minutes. Whoa. Could you even survive that?

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah, but they're in there, and then they're falling back. So now you're coming back. You're in this little capsule. You're falling back to Earth. You got to let the air slow you down from 25, 000 miles an hour down to 200. So the parachutes could come out and not get shredded. Right? And there's a. And the. The. And the thing's on fire. 5,000 degrees, and there's a. Because of the plasma or whatever, we can't communicate. So we can't communicate for five minutes. And then they're like, we're almost out of the. No communication. And all of a sudden, the girl astronaut goes, you know, so. And so capsule to. To Earth. How we doing? We're good. Totally calm. Like, you and I sitting in this room. Right? You'd be like, she should have been like, are we there? Is there a parachute out? We all craft ourselves and vomited. You know, it would have been. It would have been a nightmare. Check out my YouTube channel, D I T R H. I have a lot of videos on it, actually, on the app. I have a Artemis section now. Thank God. Thank you, NASA. You've made more flat Earthers than I have.

[B]

Yeah, I see these billionaires, like Elon, for one. But there's Branson, too. There's. Isn't Facebook trying to get to the moon.

[A]

And they're all using sex magic. If you look at all of their stuff, it's all got sexual innuendos in it. The first picture that Elon took of Earth has sex written in the clouds, clear as day.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Right? The. The. They'll go look at. Look at Rover tracks on Mars. It's a penis and balls.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Absolutely. Like, A five year old drew it. And then if you look at Apollo Orbital track, it's a penis of balls.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Right? And you look at just. There's so many of these things. If you look at Bezos's rocket, it looks like a circumcised penis. And if you look at original Atlantic Guy Branson, his looks like a female uterus.

[B]

What's. What's the deal with that? Sex magic.

[A]

Sex magic they're using. You know, NASA was based on Aleister Crowley and all of this occult stuff and they use sex magic.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Or maybe they're just laughing at us. Maybe they're just having a laugh.

[B]

Elon has always had some humor.

[A]

Yeah, well, you can. You can say that. But his, his, his. He has to know. He has to know or he's really mind controlled.

[B]

Yeah, I never know with him because he said aliens don't exist too. So you never know.

[A]

Yeah, they want. You know, the. The Elon said that there's one in a billion chance. What did he say? One in a billion chance that. That this reality is real.

[B]

Yeah, he's like on simulation theory.

[A]

Yeah. One in a billion chance. That's interesting.

[B]

Interesting number, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

One out of billion. Well, dude, what's next for you? I know you got the app. We'll link that in the video. What else?

[A]

I appreciate it. My goal is just to wake up people because when you wake up someone to flat Earth, it brings another person closer to the creator. It makes another great human. Takes you disconnect, you unplug from the control matrix. And that's what we all need to do, is unplug. We don't need to do anything violent. We don't need a revolution. We need to unplug from their control system and understand how they're manipulating us and, you know, take our power back. One man awake is more powerful than a million elite sleeping. You know, a million elite, you know, take, you know, charging us, whatever you call, whatever you call it, controlling us.

[B]

Well, thanks for your time, man.

[A]

Yeah, that's great. All right.

[B]

Have you on again. Maybe a friendly debate next time. Check them out, guys.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Thanks for staying all the way to the end, guys.

[A]

Means a lot to me.

[B]

If you could please leave a review on Apple that helps us climb the charts, helps us get way more guests, and it helps us continue growing the podcast and the team. So it would mean a lot to me if you left a review on Apple or wherever else you're listening. Thanks so much.