TikTok Was China’s Weapon All Along... | Gary the Numbers Guy | DSH #1962

Summary

Digital Social Hour #1962: TikTok Was China’s Weapon All Along… | Gary the Numbers Guy
Podcast Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Gary the Numbers Guy
Date: May 12, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this provocative and unfiltered episode, Sean Kelly sits down with Gary the Numbers Guy, a controversial numerologist and influencer known for outspoken takes on geopolitics, finance, and internet culture. The conversation explores the origins and impact of TikTok, the cyclical nature of crypto markets, influencer drama, numerology’s role in destiny and success, and sharp commentary on American politics and global power plays.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. TikTok: China’s Weapon & Numerology’s Influence

• Origin and Intent:

  • Gary claims TikTok was launched by China (2016) not to make money, but to “spread propaganda” and subtly shift American public opinion, especially post-COVID and following Middle East conflicts.
  • “The Chinese didn’t care about making money. They just wanted to spread propaganda.” (A, 00:00, 04:21, 05:45)

• Numerology in Major Moves:

  • Gary ties TikTok’s founding, sale, and key owners to recurring numerological themes (e.g., “Year of the Monkey”, “Life Path 33”).
  • “Larry Ellison… born 1944, year of the monkey, purchases TikTok, founded 2016, year of the monkey… TikTok is now a 33 life path.” (A, 04:21)

• Impact on US Politics:

  • TikTok’s influence led to underlying shifts, fracturing the Republican Party and redirecting resentment from China to Israel.
  • “The Chinese used a platform… to distract from them to Israel. Who was the most hated country in America after COVID?... And where did all that change start? With TikTok.” (A, 08:02)

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2. Crypto Markets and Predictions

• Track Record and Confidence:

  • Gary boasts of correctly calling every major crypto market cycle, including the latest crash.
  • “I called a lot of this stuff… Crypto's crashing and already started. It already started. Take your money out of crypto…” (A, 02:17)

• Cyclical Nature:

  • Stresses all markets “go in cycles,” reinforcing his approach rooted in numerology and history.
  • “Everything goes in cycles. Every crypto crash I’ve called since I've been into it, I called.” (A, 02:17)

• Skepticism of XRP:

  • Identifies Ripple/XRP as the “biggest fraud out there,” making a play on the word Ripple containing “lie.”
  • “How are you gonna trust a company called Ripple? You can’t even spell the word Ripple without the word lie.” (A, 03:40)

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3. Influencer Drama, Loyalty & the Incel Phenomenon

• Incel Mindset Evolves:

  • Gary implicates social media for enabling extreme behaviors among online “incel mobs”—first idolizing, then attacking influencers (example: Sneako’s turn on Andrew Tate).
  • “First they become superfans, then... you’re not paying them enough attention... then they turn on you.” (A, 09:38)

• On Andrew Tate:

  • Shift in Tate’s persona (post-prison) noted: “This new Tate is a lot better… The old Tate thought he was gonna beat the system… he wised up.” (A, 12:13)
  • “Tate’s nothing but a glorified pimp with a good mouthpiece. It is what it is. But... these are people who are just jealous...” (A, 12:31)

• Networking as a Success Key:

  • Gary and Sean emphasize networking’s role in their rise—a point addressed with mocking tone towards critics:
  • “That’s why networking has king in it. If you want to make it in this game, you got to network.” (A, 15:41)

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4. Numerology, Destiny, and Influence

• Gary’s Numerology Legacy:

  • Takes credit for popularizing numerology in the West, scoffing at imitators’ lack of results.
  • “Most people… only know about numerology because of me… They can copy and paste my tweets. They can’t copy and paste my results.” (A, 00:49)

• Notable Claims of Predictive Success:

  • Sports betting: Claims of “over 80% win percentage” on championships, with students also achieving “82%-85%” success.
  • “I haven’t lost a Super Bowl this decade.... My GG33 people… five out of six NBA titles...” (A, 20:26–21:23)

• Numerology Drives Online Success:

  • Connects screen names (e.g., “Destiny” adds up to 33) and timing to digital influence and luck.
  • “The only reason Destiny is famous… Destiny adds up to 33… that energy is what pushed him over the top.” (A, 17:09)

• Personal Anecdotes:

  • Gary’s son started streaming at 12, in a “snake year,” matching their numerology. Sean’s podcast launch (an Ox, in Ox year) given as more “proof.” (A, 17:53–18:43)

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5. America, Immigration, and Global Power

• Defending Trump & MAGA Policy:

  • Passionate advocacy for Donald Trump, positioning him as the only president following through on conservative promises—border control, trade surpluses, diplomacy.
  • “He is keeping his fucking word… Everything they complained about, this guy is fucking fixing.” (A, 13:20)

• ICE & Deportations:

  • Supports strict immigration enforcement by ICE, calling for deportation of all “illegals” as a necessary act to protect American interests.
  • “If you're an illegal alien, get the fuck out. If not, ICE is gonna deport you… I only can care about my country, my borders, my nation.” (A, 30:32)

• Meritocracy and Race:

  • Highlights success of minorities in America compared to elsewhere, dismisses claims of systemic injustice:
  • “America is the most just country in the world. If you work hard in this nation, you can make it.” (A, 31:29)

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6. Elite Power Structures & The “Real Elite”

• Epstein Files and Elite Obscurity:

  • Gary distinguishes “puppet elite” (public figures, file-named) from the true power brokers, claiming “the real elite… you’ll never know their names.” (A, 23:15–24:03)

• Secrecy Trumps Fame:

  • Shares story of a multibillionaire who pays to keep his name off the internet:
  • “He doesn’t want any spotlight… pays people to keep his name off the Internet.” (A, 24:21)

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7. Islam, Political Power & the West

• Separating Religion and State:

  • Argues that Islam is “a political system masquerading as a religion,” not compatible with US values—urges reclassification to limit mosque-building and Sharia courts.
  • “The way to stop this is to basically take away the religious exemptions… This is not a religion. This is a government masquerading.” (A, 35:49)

• Personal Defense Against Bias:

  • Cites his marriage to a Muslim woman as proof of lack of bigotry against Muslims but draws a line at defending Islamic political ambitions in the US. (A, 34:40)

• Warning to Critics and America’s Future:

  • Ends with a veiled warning about personal power in the 2030s and the need to keep Republicans in office:
  • “I’ll be empowered in the 2030s. Make an enemy out of me. Just don’t. It’s not gonna be good.” (A, 30:06)
  • “Democrats cannot take the White House in 2028… If they do, they're going to try to put me in jail.” (A, 27:58)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The Chinese didn’t care about making money. They just wanted to spread propaganda.” (A, 00:00)
• “You can’t copy and paste my results.” (A, 00:49)
• “Crypto’s crashing and already started. Take your money out of crypto.” (A, 02:17)
• “Everything goes in cycles… I called the one in 216, 217. I called the 2022 crash and I’m calling it right now.” (A, 02:17)
• “I beat the stock market, I beat crypto, and I beat sports gambling… You’ve seen me do this with your own eyes.” (A, 00:49–01:33)
• “TikTok… their mission was to empower the conspiracy theorists and basically fracture the Republican Party from within. That’s what they did.” (A, 05:45)
• “First they become superfans, then… they turn on you.” (A, 09:38)
• “Don’t be a martyr for people with low IQ. You have your family and your close friends, anyone else is a bonus. That is your fucking team.” (A, 11:41)
• “Networking has king in it… If you want to make it in this game, you gotta network.” (A, 15:41)
• “If you’re an illegal alien, get the fuck out… I only can care about my country, my borders, my nation.” (A, 30:32)
• “America is the most just country in the world. If you work hard in this nation, you can make it.” (A, 31:29)
• “Islam is not like Christianity… It’s a political system masquerading as a religion. The way to stop this… classify Islam what it is. It’s a political system.” (A, 35:49)
• “I will be empowered in the 2030s. Make an enemy out of me. Just don’t. It’s not gonna be good.” (A, 30:06)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00–05:45: TikTok’s origins, Chinese intent, numerology, ownership transitions
• 02:17–04:15: Crypto predictions/cycles and call-outs of various cryptocurrencies
• 05:45–10:53: TikTok’s impact on American politics, incel culture, anti-Zionism
• 12:13–15:56: Andrew Tate’s evolution, influencer beefs, networking wisdom
• 17:00–18:43: Numerology’s link to digital success, children’s online launches
• 20:26–22:07: Gary’s sports betting record, methodology, student achievements
• 23:10–24:21: Investigation into the “real elite” and Epstein files
• 27:58–30:06: 2028 election stakes, warning about political retaliation
• 30:32–33:13: Immigration, ICE, American meritocracy
• 34:40–38:42: Islam as political system, proposed US policy, debates refused by Muslim/Christian guests

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Tone & Language

Gary is confrontational, unapologetic, and profane, mixing self-aggrandizement with aggressive critiques of perceived enemies and widespread phenomena. The discussion is punctuated by confidence in his predictions, disdain for detractors, and a persistent thread of numerological references to explain world events, digital success, and personal outcomes.

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Summary

This episode is a whirlwind journey through Gary the Numbers Guy’s worldview: suspicious of China’s motives, skeptical of modern crypto assets, dismissive of online mob dynamics, and deeply invested in numerology as a master key. Listeners will hear everything from global power analysis and internet drama to personal fortunes and policy manifestos—always with Gary’s signature brashness and Sean Kelly’s facilitating curiosity. The conversation is contentious and controversial but packed with memorable lines and bold claims.

Transcript

[A]

One of the reasons the Chinese started TikTok in 2016 was to match America's energy. The Chinese didn't care about making money. They just wanted to spread propaganda. Chinese basically released a whole bunch of propaganda. Some of it was true, targeted at Zionism. Here's the thing. Zionists are not our biggest enemy.

[B]

Had to catch this man. He just cashed out of the casino, but got him on the way home to Florida. Good to see you again.

[A]

What's up, brother? So we've done this in Atlantic City, we've done this in Miami. We usually do this in Vegas, and quite frankly, Vegas is definitely a step up over Atlantic City.

[B]

Oh yeah, that was my first time there. It was rough.

[A]

You come, you going back? I'll.

[B]

I'll have to. Cuz. World war debate, you know, what are

[A]

they doing like once every month?

[B]

Every two months?

[A]

Yeah, I'll meet you there. Because I go there at least once a month to gamble. Because, see, here's what happens. If I stay in one place for too long, they're gonna ban me. So I gotta keep moving. And when I keep moving, then I can keep winning. Because, see, no one believes this is real. No one believes this is real. By the way, this is just a little. I kept another 300k in my pocket. But this is what sets me apart from all the other numerologists. See, ever since 2023, when I went on my big run, everyone is copying, pasting, talking about enemy signs, talking about this. And that's cool. That's exactly what I wanted. But they refused to mention my name. The guy who built the whole path, the guy who created the numerology economy. Let's face it. You could love me, you could hate me, but you, most of people in the world only know, especially in America or Western society, only know about numerology because of me. Now, these guys don't like to pay homage, but you know what? They can copy and paste my tweets. They can't copy and paste my results. That, that, that is 100%. Because listen, I beat the stock market, I beat crypto, and I beat sports gambling. You won't lie to for me. You won't risk your reputation to lie for me. You've seen me do this with your own eyes. 2023. Zcash. Zcash. Zcash.

[B]

Zcash. You called Tesla as well?

[A]

Tesla. I called a lot of this stuff, and I'm telling you right now, as I said many times, said in 2024, said in 2025, I'll say it again. Crypto's crashing and already started. It already started. Take your money out of crypto and then when it goes back up next year, put it back in. But there's no reason to bleed. There's no reason to bleed. Everything goes in cycles. Every crypto crash I've called since I've been into it, I called. I didn't know too much about Bitcoin in 2013, 14. But we know why it crashed. That was a horse here. I called the one in 216, 217. I called the 2022 crash and I'm calling it right now. I don't make mistakes when it comes to this stuff. So listen, life is about choices. You either listen to me or you don't. But, you know, one of the things I always wanted to see in my life, because I'm a historian, was if you go back to October 29, 1929, there was people that lost so much money, they started becoming jumpers, they jumped off roofs. Now, I thought I would need a time machine to go back and witness that. I ain't gonna need them time machine. I'm gonna see the crypto guys, the XRP guys, do that this year around and find out.

[B]

Damn. Calling out XRP specifically?

[A]

Oh, yeah, that's the biggest fraud out there, xrp. How are you gonna trust a company called Ripple? You can't even spell the word Ripple without the word lie like you. You gotta be out your mind to trust these guys at Ripple. Listen, I understand to a point. All cryptos got a little scammy side, you know, even the owner of zcash, the guy who founded it, doesn't like me because I said zcash has a back door. It does. It's just inaccessible to 99.999% of people, but does have a back door where it wouldn't be allowed to go up like that. The elites know what they're doing.

[B]

That makes sense.

[A]

I ain't going to lie.

[B]

That's why you're. Gary, what's the deal with Tik Tok, Brother? A lot of interesting news about Tik Tok right now.

[A]

Listen, one of the reasons the Chinese started tick tock in 2016 was to match America's energy. So America was found in 1776, the year the monkey. Tick Tock was found in 2016. Year the monkey. They made sure it matched energy, and that's why it blew up the same way the NFL was founded. 1920 in the year of the monkey. And that's America's sport. They can Talk about baseball they want. But football, Sundays, that's America's pastime. That's what happened. So they matched the energy. Now we have an American patriot by the name of Larry Ellison who has basically bought TikTok. Now I want you to think about what he did. Larry Ellison, born 1944, the year of the monkey purchases. TikTok founded 2016, the year of the monkey. And now since it was sold, now TikTok has new energy. The energy the TikTok was sold under was January 22, 2026. Now I understand some of you guys are slow out there, so I'll do the math. One plus 22, because 22 is a master number, doesn't get reduced plus 2026 adds up to 33. So now TikTok is a 33 life path. And TikTok is also a snake. Anyone you know who's a 33 and a snake?

[B]

I might know a guy.

[A]

Yeah, you might know a guy. And I'm gonna tell conservatives this right now. If you had problems with Tick Tock in the past, come on over, I'll do my little, a little magic over here and I'll make sure you have protections. Because the Chinese and the people who run Tick Tock now very, very different. The Chinese didn't care about making money. They just wanted to spread propaganda and they succeeded. After October 7, 2023, Tick Tock got turned into the anti Zionist platform. And they have basically made this stuff go so far and wide they don't need to own TikTok anymore. They succeeded. You got Nick Fuente, Sneako, a whole bunch of guys out there who are talking all that stuff. Now here's the thing, they're not lying. All that's, most of that stuff is true. Some people obviously take it way too far. Listen, it's not the Zionist fault. You're broke. It's not designed as fault. You have a, as a mother. That's not their fault. Okay? Now the other stuff, you can might be able to blame them in some shape, way, shape or form. But when it comes down to Tick Tock, their mission was to empower the conspiracy theorists and, and basically fracture the Republican Party from within. That's what they did. Remember, if I want the truth about Russia, I'm not going to ask the Russians, I'm going to ask the Americans. If I want the truth about China, I'm not going to ask the Chinese, I'm going to ask the Americans. If I want the truth about the Americans, I'm going to ask the Chinese. So The Chinese basically released a whole bunch of propaganda. Some of it was true, targeted at Zionism. But here's the thing. Zionists are not our biggest enemy. Some could say they're our allies. Now I think what Israel does is fucked up. I'm never going to be a fan of Netanyahu, but to say that Israel is our biggest enemy, you got to be on fucking smoking crack cocaine is unk607 around somewhere. So what you have to understand is China is our biggest enemy. And the Chinese used a platform that to basically distract from them to Israel. Who was the most hated country in America after Covid?

[B]

China.

[A]

China. And that's changed, hasn't it?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And where all that change start with TikTok, you understand? They changed the whole narrative. They reprogrammed. So again, I'm not denying the Zionists have a lot of power in this country. So does Cutter. No one's talking about the billions of dollars the funded their American madrasas over here. No one's talking about that. They always want to talk about Israel, Israel, Israel. The funny thing is I was talking about the Israel stuff before anyone. I was talking about the stuff when Nick Fontes was in diapers. These are facts, okay? But the delusion that goes out there, I'll give you an example. Andrew Tate said what was going on in Gaza was a genocide on one day after it started. Yeah, I don't think it was a genocide. I think it was flat out murder. But for me to believe something's a genocide, what 30, 40% of population has to go, not 1 2% is. Again, murder is murder. But we can't call everything genocide. So Andrew Tate goes out there, says it's a genocide, he starts calling people out. And now that he goes out there and says, yo, the aren't responsible for everything, now he's a Mossad agent. So the guy who basically helped start it all now is being called a Mossad agent by the same people he basically enlightened. What does that tell you? That tells you you have incel mob that if you don't blame Israel for them not having a girlfriend, for the them having a mixed child they never wanted for, for them being broke, you're the enemy now. I mean, listen, at some point we're crossing a line into insanity. So if they can do that to him, they will do it to anybody. I want to explain this mindset because I need people. I want people to understand this. When I started popping off in 2023 on a much lower scale than tape, but I did Start popping off. I saw people who were basically infatuated with me. They were my super fans and like they, they just wanted to be next to me. They wanted to know everything about me. Normal stuff for, you know, someone who's a somewhat celebrity or influencer. I noticed some of those same people turned on me within two years. So I want you to understand the mindset of some of these incels. First they become super fans, then they feel that somehow you're not paying them enough attention. Then they feel that you're disrespecting them and then they turn on you. This is a normal process that happens with most people. And we've seen it over and over again with Tate. There's a guy going at tate right now 24, 7, who used to idolize him.

[B]

I think we both know.

[A]

Yeah, we know who that is. His name is Sneako. This is a guy who idolized Tate. This is a guy who wanted to be like Tate. And now he has nothing but resentment toward Tate. Why? Because Tate never took him in. Because Tate knew he was a rat. Tate knew that this guy had no loyalty. That's why he never let him in. But see, to Sneako or people like Sneako, oh, I, I was there for you. I was supporting you and you didn't show me support back. So now you're the enemy. This is the type of incels you have to deal with when you're an influencer or a star. And I'm telling you guys, if you want to get in this game, expect things like that to happen. I'm sure you even have it to your. You probably had it happen to yourself a few times.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So the moral of the story is this. Don't be a martyr for people who are low iq. Don't be a martyr out there. You have your family and you have your close friends and anyone else you help is a bonus. But that is your fucking team right there. No one's gonna save the whole world. You're not Jesus. You're not Muhammad. You're not even Gary the numbers guy. You're not gonna change this stuff. So again, I like the new Tate. This new Tate is a lot better than the old Tate. The old Tate thought he was gonna beat the system. He was gonna destroyed the matrix. Well, he went to jail a few times and now he understands how the game works. So he wised up. Some of these other people are going to have to wise up too.

[B]

Wow, I never thought you'd be defending Tate.

[A]

Yeah, I'm not, I'm not really defending him too much. I just speak the truth. And listen, Tate's nothing but a glorified pimp with a good mouthpiece. It is what it is. But I mean, the other people who are going after him right now, these are people who are just jealous of him. Have I ever been mad that Tate has more money than me? No, why would I? It inspires me to work harder, to do more. Listen, you guys might think I'm just some numerologist who likes to boast and talk about people. I'm one of the most connected people behind the scenes there is in this game. And I've been here, what, two years?

[B]

I'll vouch for that. You've gotten some of my biggest guests

[A]

on the show and they don't even know it.

[B]

Yeah, they don't know.

[A]

So I've got people on Sean Kelly show, big guest, they don't even know. I got him on, vouch for it.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So it is what it is. And listen, I'm gonna shove numerology and astrology down everyone's throat because that's the just the way it has to be. But at the end of the day, let's just try to make this world a better place. And to make this world a better place means keeping America number one. And listen, I love President Trump. I don't give a fuck what anyone says about him. Listen, these conservatives, these modern day conservatives are a bunch of bitches, okay? All I heard when Joe Biden was in office, we need to shut down the border. Trump did it. We need to deport these illegals. ICE is all over the place doing it. We have a trade deficit. And he said Trump now has gave us his trade surplus. What the fuck is your problem? Seriously, what the hell is these people's problems? Everything they complained about, this guy is fucking fixing. He is keeping his fucking word. And now all these people can say, action. What the fuck is wrong with you people? What do you think? America is the only place in the world that has pedophiles and positions of power? Here's what you guys have to understand. I know everyone thinks I'm a Mossad agent or all these influencers are Mossad agents. They're not. I know these guys. I know what they make. I know they're not. They're just not. There's no secret P that goes or cabal that goes around controlling these guys that I don't know about. Now I've. I don't know anything about Kai. So not level or, you know, when I show speed, that's a whole different level, Mr.

[B]

Beast level.

[A]

Mr. Beat. Well, Mr. Beast, we talked about, that's a whole different level. You know, but 99% of these influencers are just making content. They're just making content and people believe they're masadi. I, I, like, I see these accusations that the social media. I cut a deal with the social media companies, that they push me and they push me through the algorithm. No, that's 80,000amonth in clippers. Yeah, that's what the fuck that is. That's me going on podcasts. That's me building relationships with Sean Kelly, building relationships with Tim Pool, Myron Gaines that made this stuff possible. Not me selling out. See, see, the problem is you guys are losers. You're absolute losers. And you think just because you couldn't do it, that means, oh, no one else can do it. No. Work hard, network. That's why networking has king in it. Because if you want to make in this game, you got to network. Sean, let's be real. Isn't networking one of your main pieces of success?

[B]

Oh, yeah, by, by far.

[A]

Where would you be without networking?

[B]

Wouldn't have any guests on the show. I would be nowhere.

[A]

And you know, some people out there say that networking is gay. Those same people were the ones attaining gay nightclubs when they were young. Interesting how that works.

[B]

Networking's gay.

[A]

That's wild.

[B]

That's wild.

[A]

You know, listen, listen. I hear there's a guy out there who's calling himself the new Top G. I didn't know people who went to gay nightclubs could be considered Top G. You know, another thing I, you also can notice is when people start, you know, listen, I'm an old man. I'm trying to get some of the grays out. I admit, I'll put, you know, a little black in here. It is what it is. But one thing you're never going to see me do is dye my hair blonde. When people dye their hair blonde, that usually says they're on Team Lefty. And sometimes that means maybe they're, you know, kind of swinging both ways, if you know what I mean. Yeah, I don't trust people who dye their hair blonde, man. And neither should anyone out there.

[B]

Yeah, Destiny died his hair, too.

[A]

No, again, Destiny was caught doing a little something on tape. So that doesn't surprise me. Man, Destiny's a cuck.

[B]

Would you debate him?

[A]

Yeah, sure.

[B]

I'll set that up. I'll set that up.

[A]

Listen, Destiny, Destiny is a decent mouthpiece, but the only reason Destiny is famous, the only Reason is because the word destiny adds up to 33. It's not like his dumbass. I even knew that. He just lucked out. He called himself Destiny. Destiny adds up to 33. So that energy, that energy right there is what pushed him over the top. Listen, bro, Destiny's a failure. His kid's a griper. I mean, listen, listen. I'm going to be picking my kids wives. My kids are going to fucking like, I'm going to set everything up for my kids the way I am. My kid already started streaming. My kid already started.

[B]

How old is he?

[A]

12. Wow. He already started. You know, I mean, he's doing the video game streams, you know, just start and stuff like that, but he already started streaming. He's a snake who started streaming the snake year at 12. Just like I show Speed is a monkey who started streaming the monkey year 2016. That's how it goes. You do things at a certain time, everything starts working for you. And you know, again, a lot of these people are going to be like, oh, Gary's a fraud. He doesn't know what he's doing. I. I talked to too many billionaires not to know what I'm doing.

[B]

That's wild. I think I might have started the pot in ox year. What? When was the last aux year?

[A]

221.

[B]

Yeah, that's when I started the show.

[A]

What do you know? Sean Kelly, born 1997, the year at Oxford, starts his podcast in the Ox year. And I mean, listen, brother, aren't you one. One of the number one podcasts in the world?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, so again, you guys don't want to believe me, you.

[B]

That's crazy. Round two with ANK tomorrow. You got a game plan going into this debate with 607ank.

[A]

I mean, listen, I don't need a game plan with people who have lower IQs than the silverback gorilla. Come on, bro. I'm gonna. This, this guy's gonna get cooked. Listen, UN fans, and he has a lot of fans.

[B]

He does.

[A]

So I will give un credit where credit is due. He has a large fan base, but his fan base are low IQ incel baby mama culture, man. No one gives a what any of you guys think, man. Like, if you guys could start calling me racist. This and this. I don't care what poor people think. I don't care what people of low IQs think. You're beneath me. Anything else needs to be said?

[B]

No.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Have you ever taken advice from a poor person?

[A]

Yeah, when I was poor, obviously. My good friend over Here. Benji changed all that. And guys, listen, I'm already up a million dollars this year. Gambling.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Already up a milli. This year. And we just started the goddamn year. I'm already up a million. Sean. Listen, you need to take a camera crew, grab like 30s, grab like 30 racks. I'll double it for you in a day or something.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

This is. This is what we do. Listen, I studied numerology and astrology for 20 years. First time I went to Vegas was 2006. And I have $5,000 with me, lost now. $5,000 to me was a lot of money. That $5,000 back then is worth more than me. Than me. Than a quarter million is right now.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

That's how much 5,000 was to me back then. And then I came back in 208, failed, came back in 210, failed again. You learned from your failures. And I. I adapted my technique, and then I saw how to apply numerology. And ever since 2013, probably like 2012, somewhere in that area, I started winning and winning big. I mean, I call it the biggest comeback in NBA history. When The Cavs came back 3:1 against the Warriors. I haven't lost a Super bowl this decade. Wow. And you guys are going to be like, oh, give us a Super bowl winner. Why? So you guys can make money off it? I don't. What do I get out of making Inso's money? Nothing. So I'm not giving you my. My GG33 people who got out on Zcash. My GG33 people. I've. I've literally got six. Let's see. Was it six Super Bowls in a row? Five out of six NBA titles in four out of six hockey championships.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

And five out of six MLB championships all this decade.

[B]

That's insane.

[A]

So again, over 80 win percentage just on championships alone. My student, seven numbers. Seven. Shout out to him, Brian. He is something like 82% or 85% on COWS championships for the past 20 years. Wow. Like, where do you get results like this? And again, people are going to be like, listen, Gary, you're not perfect. Your system is flawed. No, no, numerology is not flawed. The practitioner is fraud. If I make a mistake, if something is wrong based off numerology. The numerology wasn't wrong. I was wrong. The difference is I'm more right than anyone else is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And here's the thing. Find me a better system, I'll follow it. No one has. No one has.

[B]

JW Lucas's system isn't good.

[A]

I I don't go off any. Any man's system. But I will tell you this. With JW around, I doubt anyone's gonna start pressing you. So you know, JW has his good points, too. Shout out to jw. We'll see if he can.

[B]

You think he can make a name for himself in this space?

[A]

Depends how he does it. Like, you see me in front of many people already. No, Some people, I just go at them quick. Other people I'm very mellow with and stuff. You can't press everybody. You can't press some people who can press. You can get effective results, but you just can't do that with everyone. And if JW realizes that you can't press everybody, maybe he gets over that hump. But if not, then he's just going to make a lot of good content, but he's going to hit a glass ceiling. This is nothing I haven't told him before.

[B]

Yeah, we'll see what happens. Did anything with the Epstein files surprise you?

[A]

No. I mean, listen, I knew Bill Gates was all over it, that that was a given. Donald Trump should be exonerated. There's nothing in there about Donald Trump at all. I mean, there's. There's nothing that can be proven or substantially in there about Donald Trump. Absolutely nothing. But what we have learned and what I've known for a long time is there's a Puppet Elite and there's a real elite. And the Puppet Elite are the ones that everyone's talking about, everyone in the files. The real elite. You'll never know their names. This is way above Zionism. The real elite are right over here. The Puppet Elite are right over here. The Puppy Elite. They can change. The real wheat. Always stay the same. Really. Never change.

[B]

Where do you put the Deep Stay? Is that the real elite or is

[A]

that the public elite?

[B]

Oh, so there's levels.

[A]

Of course, man. The Deep State can only do. The Deep State can get really. Can't get taken care of, too. There's always levels of this. Like P. Diddy. P. Diddy had made a career pressing people like jw. The, you know, mogul industry started pressing people. And it worked for him for 20 years. And then he pressed the wrong guy and he went to jail. So no one is untouchable that you ever heard of if you know their name. They're not untouchable. They might be protected, but they're not untouchable. The ones we never heard of, those are the guys who are untouchable. The richest guy I know, I won't mention his name, he's worth a lot of money, 10 bills. He doesn't want any spotlight. He doesn't want anyone to know his name. As a matter of fact, he pays people to keep his name off the Internet. Wow. The mindset is very, very different. See, I would prefer it to be behind the scenes. Unfortunately, no one's going to do this for me. No one had the mouthpiece, no one had the knowledge, no one had it. I had to do it or wasn't going to be done. So I would have preferred to stay behind the scenes. But then again, you know, I do a lot of stuff behind the scenes too. So I'm going to make that transition, you know, from content to doing more behind and more and more behind the scenes. But I'm just too good at this, you know, I'm just too good. Because regardless if you guys love me or hate me, you will watch me, my pod, my podcast on your YouTube channel. Some of the best ones done.

[B]

Oh yeah, by far. And your debate with Anka is my number one debate.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Over 100 million, I think.

[A]

Well, on the clip probably it got even more on Tick Tock, even got more on Tech Deck. But yeah, yeah, a lot of people, they try to suspend me on Tik Tok for that. You got, can, can they, they said I got cancelled and stuff like that. And you know, this just shows you the incel mindset when you tell people the truth and they get real mad and these are incels. It is what it is. And you know, and you know, the black culture, they have a real problem because the, the women run the patriarchy there, the women are the head of households there. And when you have a whole bunch of men raised by single mothers and you're going to have a whole bunch of men who are emotional and not logical. And that's why when you say, when white guys say, you know, the nword, people get all pissed. I say it all the time. No one's going to impress me about it because I don't mean in an offensive way. It is what it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, you saw who I walked in here. Not a white guy.

[B]

You walked in here with four black guys.

[A]

It is what it is. You know, the Jew walks in with four black guys. That's how it should be. But listen, at the end of the day, I judge people based off near numerology. I, you know, judge people based off their astrology, their family and stuff like that. The race that's after. Yeah, that's always been after. Like you've Seen the people I'm around? How much better have they got at this since they've been around me night and day?

[B]

I was just telling you, Dom. Run it up. Everyone's gotten better, bro.

[A]

Run it up.

[B]

Red pillars. Oh, I just signed up for Run it up, by the way.

[A]

You did?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How's he doing?

[B]

I got a check, but I started last week.

[A]

Okay, outstanding. You need to bring him on again after he, after he runs you up a bag. Bring on. Because then you're going to have proof to actually show people.

[B]

Like, when I make 100k, I'll bring about.

[A]

He's already made me over 2 million. Damn. He's made himself over 5.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

In a year, dude. I don't want to give up all his sauce, but the guy's really rich. You know what I'm saying? I, I, I made a shitload of zcash. You know? Here's the thing. I don't need this anymore. I can quit. Zcash set me for life. I pretty much got generational wealth. But what's zcash now? The thing is, it's like I still want to shove numerology, astrology down everyone's throat. So I'm not going to quit. I'm just going to refine my methods and stuff like that. And let me tell you something, I'm like a octopus. I put so many tentacles in so many different spaces. I'm going to make sure the Republican Party stays in power in 2028. Because if the Democrats come to power, they will never give up power again, ever. I don't care what needs to be done. The Democrats cannot take the White House in 2028. It just can't happen. And I will do everything in my power to make sure they don't. Because quite frankly, if they do, they're going to try to put me in jail.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

They know. They know what I did in 2024. They know how I got almost every influencer that I'm around to support Trump and not help them win the election. They know this. They're gonna come after me. But, you know, if that happens, I'll just go to Saudi Arabia or Russia or something like that.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, they just arrested Don Lemon. Hate him or love him, right? You see that?

[A]

Well, Dom. Dom Lemon is an interesting character. He hates all white people except his white husband. It's interesting how that works. You know, I don't trust homosexuals as it is, man. I just don't. I don't trust them as it is. I never have. You know, Milo's the only one with any credibility whatsoever because he denounces the. But, you know, it is what it is.

[B]

He did say a lot of that stuff is programmed, right?

[A]

I mean, if we had a nuclear family like we had in the 50s, and everyone had a mom and dad and their mom wasn't a whore, and their dad was, you know, a strong man who worked, we wouldn't have any gay people.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

These. These homosexual men are raised by single mothers. They have no masculine energy around them. That's why. That's why I propose that every single mother who gets any sort of welfare, which is like 85% of them white, 80, 85% of single mothers get welfare. I propose that every single one of them is required to send their adult male sons to military school. We need these kids to have some discipline, have some masculine energy around them. It is what it is. And guys, I never said I'm a fucking alpha male. I'm not a beta, but I never said I'm alpha. But you know what? Alphas follow me. I'm a leader. Some of the biggest alphas in this game, follow my lead. You know this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You. You know guys who impress everyone and they show me utmost respect. That's because I am who I am. And let me tell you something, guys want you guys to understand this. I will be empowered in the2030s. Make an enemy out of me. Just don't. It's not gonna be good.

[B]

Last topic. You still rocking with ICE after all? The ice.

[A]

Ice, baby. That's what I'm talking about, man. Listen, if you're an illegal alien, get the out. If not, ICE is gonna deport you. And you know what? Listen, I understand a lot of people are, you know, saying, you know, there's kids out there who are being, you know, mistreated and stuff like that. We're all can be compassionate. We all can show empathy for kids. But end of the day, deport the kids and the mom and dad together. Deport them all. Because I can't care about everyone in the world. I only can care about my country, my borders, my nation. We all are privileged in this country. Whether they're black, white, Indian, Mexican, we're all privileged. I mean, even the lowest racial group when it comes to money around the world, blacks. There's 1.8 million black millionaires in this country. Hell, I walked in with two of them. About to be three in a while. Walked in with them. Outside of America, 100,000 black millionaires in the world. All the countries Combined, only a hundred ousand inside America, 1.8. America is the most just country in the world. And if you work hard in this nation, you can make it. You can really make my. My dad was an immigrant doing three jobs, riding a bike in snow so he could fucking give me a better life. I'm all for immigration, legal immigration, if you're a illegal alien. I'm sorry, go back to the legal channels. My dad went through the legal channels. It took him like, what, two, three years to get my mom over here in the 70s. They did it all legally. Why? What. What makes you think you deserve the right to jump in front of the line? And remember, you can't even spell police without the word ice. I love ice. Listen, if I was younger, I might actually quit doing what I'm doing. Enjoy. Nice. For about two months. Wow. I really would. Because I really think they're doing extremely important work. And again, it's a Testament to the 47th President, United States, Donald J. Trump. He said he was going to shut down the borders. He did. He said he was going to deport illegals. He did. He said he was going to get rid of the trade deficit, make it a surplus. He did. He basically made peace with eight different countries that were about to go to war. What do you want from the guy? He's not God, but he's doing everything he said he would. When was the last time we had a president do everything he said he would? I mean, we have this guy, a muswoman, New York, who said, this is going to be free, and this is going to be free. This is going to be free. As soon as he gets in the office. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna have to raise taxes. But then again, that's the usual typical Muslim practicing taqiyah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, the Muslims are very, very good at saying yo. In the Talmud, it says the can lie to the goy. In the hadith, it says the Muslims could lie to the infidel. They're the same. The only difference is the Jews are on top and they're not. Right now, when the Muslims are on top, they were doing the same shit. You know, a lot of people come into your studio and say the Christian were protected when Muslims were the dominant culture. Yeah, they were. As long as they pay their jiza. What happened to them? They didn't pay their jiza tax. They don't want to talk about that part. Yeah, of course, if you're paying protection money, people are going to protect you. That doesn't make him fair. And just People, America's first war was with Muslims. America's first war was with, outside of America, obviously, civil war. America's first war was with the Ottoman Empire. They basically, the Ottomans were, at that time, they had some affiliate nations in Morocco, and they wouldn't with the French, and they wouldn't with the British ships, because you can get a little trouble with those two. They were the major powers at the time, but they saw an American flag that would board the ship, confiscate the goods, and enslave the white people. This is what happened when Muslims were in power. And then when the Americans went into. I think it was Thomas Jefferson, he went to London to the Ottoman embassy, and it's like to the ambassador, like, why do you do this? They will pick up their Quran and say, this gives us the right because you are infidels. So, again, the Muslims are really nice now, but they won't be once they're in power. And I want to make this clear. I married a Muslim woman as a Jew. I don't give a what people think. I. I did that in 2004 when the Muslims were not very liked in this country. That's when I did this. So no one's gonna tell me I'm biased against Muslims and stuff like that. But in Saudi Arabia, if people pray in the streets, they get arrested.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And any Muslim nation in the Middle east, if Muslims block traffic to have a call to prayer, they get arrested. Only in the west, they do this to show religious dominance. In 1950, there's about 5 million Jews and about 300,000 Muslims in America. In 2026, about 6 million Jews and 5 million Muslims. Wow. The Muslim population is growing. And people need to understand Islam is not like Christianity. It's not like Judaism. It's literally a political system masquerading as a religion. The way to stop this is to basically take away the religious exemptions because they have Sharia courts. Everything based off their religion is literally for government use. This is not a religion. This is a government masquerading, basically an ideology. A government ideology masquerading as a religion. So what we need to do is classify Islam what it is. It's a political system. And after we do that, they can't build any more mosques. They can't buy any more churches. So to my Muslim friends, I think you guys are some of the best people out there. To the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, you are the only legitimate leader in the Middle East. Long live the crown prince. Because they are our greatest ally. I have no issues with Muslims, but Islam needs to be in the Middle East. It is not compatible with the American Constitution. And any Muslim who puts the Quran in front of the American Constitution, deport his ass. That simple. And you and Jake Long went about this the wrong way. I'm going to go about this the right way. I'm going to have support from all the Muslim nations when I go against these Muslims here in America because they're not the same. The people who are born in Islam and born in America, they're fine people. It's the ones who converted, like Junior, like Sneako. Those are the radical Muslims because they have to show everybody I'm a strong Muslim. That have to be as radical as possible. You've had plenty of them on this podcast and they all refuse to debate me. Cuz I will cook them. I, I actually know history. They can't pull that on me. That's why every time you've asked them to debate me, what happened?

[B]

They say no.

[A]

What happened? You asked Christians debate me, they say

[B]

no actually as well.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. It is what it is. Listen, I understand. I probably wouldn't want to debate myself either. I get it. Because I'm going to cook you. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you're black, I don't care if you're white or if you're a woman. You're a second class citizen. But you know, it is what it is if you're pro American. We're on the same team. Just are.

[B]

Yeah. We'll end it there. Let's get some food, brother.

[A]

Long live Donald Trump.

[B]

Check him out, guys. Check out his Q op.

[A]

Peace.

[B]

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