Timothy Alberino: Why Mars Is the Key to Humanity’s Lost History | DSH #1746

Summary

Podcast Summary: Digital Social Hour with Timothy Alberino

Episode Title: Why Mars Is the Key to Humanity’s Lost History | DSH #1746
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Timothy Alberino
Date: January 11, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this gripping conversation, Sean Kelly interviews Timothy Alberino—author, explorer, and researcher into ancient mysteries, UFOs, Nephilim, and lost civilizations. Alberino shares cutting-edge theories and personal insights about alien abductions, secret government programs, the Mars mystery, and ancient sites like Egypt and Peru. The discussion spans from UFO disclosure and abduction phenomena to the hidden agendas behind Mars exploration, all peppered with candid stories from Alberino’s fieldwork and research.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Alberino’s Rise to Mainstream Attention

• Topics Going Mainstream: Alberino’s work on UFOs, the Nephilim, and biblical mysteries gained mainstream attention as these topics surged in popular culture.
• Long History in the Field: References to colleagues like LA Marzulli, indicating a longstanding community before mainstream acceptance.

  “We have a long history behind us…researched for years.” — Timothy Alberino (01:05)

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2. The Three Eye Atlas and Anomalous Astronomical Objects

• Skepticism and Official Secrecy: Alberino discusses the mysterious “Three Eye Atlas” object, noting the lack of high-resolution NASA images and government trepidation.

  “It is interesting though that NASA…never really released the high definition photos that they must have.” — Alberino (02:38)

• Trepidation in Washington: Suggests both extraterrestrial fears and possible collision risks are under consideration (03:00).

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3. The UFO Threat Narrative and Alien Abductions

• Modern UFO Disclosure: 2017 Nimitz incident article spurred a new era of public interest and whistleblower activity (03:26-04:23).

• Abduction Phenomenon as Evidence: Alberino strongly asserts that physical alien abductions are central and supported by extensive evidence.

  “There’s more evidence in the abduction phenomenon…millions of people have been abducted…” — Alberino (05:19)

• Intrusive Hybridization Programs: Describes alleged hybrid-breeding involving humans and “greys,” referencing Dr. David Jacobs’ “Walking Among Us,” in which advanced hybrids are integrating into human society.

  “I have a great deal of confidence that the breeding program is happening…[Jacobs] believes that the objective…is planetary acquisition.” (09:25)

• The Threat Narrative: Alberino voices caution against giving governments more emergency powers but insists the abduction phenomenon itself constitutes a real threat (09:26-09:54).

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4. Physical Evidence and Personal Experiences

• Hereditary and Physical Markers: Abduction believed to be hereditary, with common physical evidence like “scoop marks” and triangle-shaped impressions (12:00-12:54).
• Implants and Telepathic Control: Abductees reportedly have migrating implants, possibly for tracking or control (14:23-14:56).
• Large-Scale and Recurring Abductions: Corporate abductions can mean entire neighborhoods vanish temporarily; abductions are “for life” if you're in the lineage (19:27-21:27).
• Screen Memories and Hypnosis: False memories (e.g., seeing animals instead of aliens) can obscure abduction experiences (23:00).

Notable Quote:

“This phenomenon is pervasive. Abduction is for life…It’s hereditary.” — Alberino (19:23/19:35)

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5. The Role of Psionics, Orbs, and Government Programs

• Psionics and Orbs: Some individuals can “summon” orbs or UFOs—explained by their possible status as abductees intrinsically connected to the phenomenon (26:14-29:08).
• Contact and Legacy Programs: Discusses legacy government programs (reverse engineering, crash retrievals), whistleblowers, and the compartmentalized secrecy involving contractors and agencies (32:32-34:48).

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6. Global Secrecy and Reverse-Engineering Alien Tech

• Worldwide Shell Game: Describes US dominance post-WWII in UFO crash retrievals and the international “arms race” in back-engineering alien technology (36:18-39:36).
• Exotic Matter and Element 115: Cites Bob Lazar’s claims about element 115 as an energy source for UFO propulsion, noting our inability to synthesize a stable isotope on Earth (47:50-48:51).

  “…If that’s true, then you’re looking at an extraterrestrial phenomenon because somebody’s harvesting element 115 somewhere else in the universe because it’s not here.” — Alberino (48:51)

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7. Mars, Ancient Civilizations, and the Mystery Schools

• Mars as Humanity’s Lost History: Alberino believes Mars holds tangible evidence of prior, advanced civilization—particularly in the Cydonia region.

  “…the secrets of the gods, the knowledge of the gods, is on the planet Mars…there are massive megalithic structures there.” — Alberino (50:37/52:35)

• Elon Musk, NASA, and the Occult: Connects modern interest in Mars (Musk, NASA) to ancient desires among mystery schools, suggesting occult connections in the origins of space programs (53:37).

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8. Archaeology, Hidden Tunnels, and National Identity

• Peru, Egypt, and Political Archaeology: Highlights the difficulty of challenging accepted historical narratives in nations where ancient cultures are integral to national identity (60:25-62:17).

• Finding Lost Structures: Alberino details attempts to use advanced ground-penetrating radar to confirm tunnels and chambers below ancient sites like the Coricancha in Cusco, battling official hostility and smear campaigns (69:22-74:24).

  “He proved…that the walls of Sacsayhuaman…were not built by the Inca because…they only discovered pre-Inca artifacts.” — Alberino (67:42)

• Cultural Politics and Scientific Discovery: Describes threats and smear campaigns against foreign researchers who challenge local interpretations, and the personal risks involved (74:24-75:42).

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9. What’s Next for Timothy Alberino

• Return to Peru: Despite challenges, Alberino continues expeditions, searching for lost cities using LiDAR, working with local academics, and advancing projects on ancient tunnels and mummies in the Andes and Amazon (75:54-79:16).

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Memorable Quotes

• On the Nature of Alien Abductions:

  “The abduction phenomenon is the heart of this thing…If your parents are abductees, you’re being taken—at least by the time you’re a toddler…Abduction is for life.” — Alberino (19:23/19:35)

• On Mars and the Mystery Schools:

  “According to the mystery schools, that’s where the gods descended from—Mars…The secrets of the gods, the knowledge of the gods, is on the planet Mars.” — Alberino (50:37/52:35)

• On Government Secrecy:

  “You’re dealing with the biggest secret any government has…Most aggressive secrecy apparatus in the world is controlling this thing.” — Alberino (36:19)

• On Archaeology and National Identity:

  “If you come in with an alternate theory…now you are doing violence to the national identity…You are seen as a foreign usurper.” — Alberino (61:59)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Topic/Segment | |------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:05 | Alberino on UFO & Nephilim community going mainstream | | 02:38 | Government’s caution on anomalous objects like “Three Eye Atlas” | | 05:19 | Physical abductions: Hybridization and program intent | | 12:54 | Physical signs of abduction: scoop marks and hereditary nature | | 16:44 | Corporate abductions and recurring family abductions | | 19:35 | Abduction is for life; elderly and young abductees together | | 23:00 | Screen memories and detection of abduction | | 26:14 | Psionics, orbs, and abductees’ unique connection to the phenomenon | | 32:32 | Government secrecy, contractors, and compartmentalization | | 39:36 | Exotic matter, reverse engineering, and Element 115 | | 47:50 | Why element 115 implies extraterrestrial origins | | 50:37 | Mars as focus of the mystery schools, hidden megaliths | | 62:35 | Challenges facing non-local archaeologists | | 69:22 | Discovery of underground tunnels in Cusco, smear campaigns | | 75:54 | Alberino’s new quests in the high jungle for lost cities |

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a whirlwind tour through the shadowy intersection of ancient mysteries, extraterrestrial intrigue, and cultural politics. Alberino’s blend of speculation, field reports, and historical connections offers a rare synthesis for listeners curious about what's truly “out there”—on Mars, under the pyramids, or right next door. The conversation regularly challenges orthodoxy, confronts institutional secrecy, and teases discoveries awaiting brave explorers—on Earth or beyond.

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Check out Timothy Alberino’s work at his members’ community for further videos, documentaries, and updates on ongoing discoveries.

Transcript

[Timothy Albarino]

It's been an objective of the mystery schools for a long, long time. An ancient desire, an ancient objective to go to Mars. Because according to the mystery schools, that's where the gods descended from. It was Mars. And that the secrets of the gods, the knowledge of the gods, is planet Mars. I believe that the Cydonia region of Mars was inhabited and that there are massive megalithic structures there.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, guys, really excited for this one. Today we got Timothy out here in Las Vegas, author of Birthright and the Book of Enoch. Thanks for your time today, man.

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah, thanks for having me. My pleasure.

[Podcast Host]

You've been busy. You've been blowing up on social media lately, man, so congrats. So, yeah, been going on some big shows. Did you, do you expect all this mainstream attention?

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah, I figured that once, once the, these kind of topics that I talk about, the UFO stuff, some of the biblical stuff, Nephilim, that, that sort of those themes, once those went mainstream, I figured I'd get pulled along with them. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Did you fit, did you see the support right away? Because these are pretty controversial topics, Right.

[Timothy Albarino]

In certain communities, you know, I mean, like in the UFO community and in the, in, in the, I don't even know how to describe this other. The Nephilim community. I guess I would describe it. Yeah. So there's guys like me that have been operating in those arenas for years, and then suddenly this stuff goes mainstream and people just start hearing about you. But, you know, we have a long history behind us. Guys like me doing stuff, researching people like my, my colleague Ellie Maruli. You know, we've been out there for a long time.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. In the UFO space. I'm very curious your, your opinion on the Three Eye Atlas stuff that's in the mainstream news. Have you investigated that much?

[Timothy Albarino]

I mean, I've looked into it somewhat. I, I, I don't really know what to think of it.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Timothy Albarino]

And people that I trust, that I've talked to about, talk to about it, we are, we are all basically the same mindset that it's very interesting, it's very anomalous, it's unusual, but nobody knows exactly what it is. I mean, there's certain attributes, characteristics that might suggest that it's artificial. But then there's other things where it seems like it is a comet, you know, that's, that's come into our solar system. Very unique, very unique cosmic body. But there's people out there who are saying definitively that it's an alien spaceship and loaded with all extraterrestrials or something. We don't have, we don't have, have any evidence one way or the other right now.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

It is interesting though that NASA and I don't know if they've since released the photos, but they, they never really released the high definition photos that they must have. They have them of this object they've only released as far as I'm aware. Maybe, maybe I haven't done my homework.

[Podcast Host]

No, you're right, you're right.

[Timothy Albarino]

But the, the only images I've seen from NASA are very low resolution. That's interesting. Why, why is that the case? So somebody's got high res images of this thing. And I talked to a source of mine who told me that there's a lot of, there was at least, I don't know if it's still the case. There was some trepidation in Washington D.C. about this object.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Timothy Albarino]

And I asked this person, well, is it because they're nervous about this being extraterrestrial, artificial, or is it because maybe there's an impact potentiality here? And he said, could be both. But definitely there's some trepidation in Washington.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting. It does seem like the American government at least wants us to fear aliens or UFOs. I remember growing up, that was kind of my mindset with it.

[Timothy Albarino]

Well, I would say that the, the, the, the objective for decades has been to, to deny and obfuscate the reality of UFOs. And now that this topic is going mainstream, mainly since 2017 with the Nimitz, the article on the Nimitz incident that was released in the New York Times, that's really when the modern iteration of the UFO phenomenon began, at least the public perception of it. But you know, we've been, there's decades of ufology behind us, 80 years of ufology. And basically what's happening now is we're seeing these whistleblowers come forward and I know and interact with some of these guys and, and their testimony is, it's a confirmation of what we've known in ufology again for decades. Nothing they have said is surprising to people who've been studying this topic.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Timothy Albarino]

And there's a lot of people who are new to this topic and they've, they're, they've, they've just become interested in UFOs since 2017. A lot of people then, a lot of people since 2020. And so there's a lot of opinions out there but, but, but not many people left anymore who are well researched, well grounded and who have familiarized themselves with again the decades old research in this field. And if you do, you find that what the whistleblowers are saying directly corresponds to what has been known. So the threat narrative, it depends on how you look at this. If. If you believe, for example, that alien abduction is happening. Right. It is real, which I do. I absolutely believe alien abduction is real. I've done a considerable amount of research into abduction. I inter. Interface with abductees in a physical sense.

[Podcast Host]

You believe it's real?

[Timothy Albarino]

Like, yes.

[Podcast Host]

Their physical bodies are being taken?

[Timothy Albarino]

Absolutely, yeah. They're. They're abductees. You know, in. In all of ufology, the abduction phenomenon is where a lot of the evidence lies. There's more evidence in the abduction phenomenon. You could. You could talk about lights in the sky. You can talk about crash retrieval type stuff. None of us have ever seen. Most of us have never seen an alien craft up close or retreat or a crash retrieval site. We've been to a crash retrieval site. But millions of people have been abducted and have been. Have been physically taken from their homes or wherever they happen to be and brought onto the alien vessels. And they've been subjected to really, what amounts to a breeding program, a program of hybridization, where they're hybridizing humans and essentially gray aliens or the insectilins. So the abduction program is intrusive. The abduction phenomenon is intrusive into the lives of abductees. They don't ask for it, and most of them don't, don't want it to happen anymore. And it's terrorizing. It's terrifying and terrorizing. And they wanted to stop. So there's only one view really, in my mind to have in regard to the abduction phenomena. It's negative. This is an intrusion. So this is a threat. I mean, if you're somebody who. You didn't give permission to be taken, you didn't give permission to be integrated into this breeding program and abductees. The reason why so many abductees stay quiet is a. Because most of them don't really have fragment. Fragmentary memories of the abduction episodes. A lot of them have screen memories, so they're false memories. Most abductees don't even realize they're abductees.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Timothy Albarino]

And the ones that do, the ones that have conscious recall, that can remember their abduction episodes, they don't want to talk about it. Because. Because the things that happen on the craft are. Are embarrassing to them and can be compromising for their relationships with their spouses. Because abductees are often forced to have intercourse with other humans on board. On board these vessels. These alien Vessels or sometimes even with hybrids.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap.

[Timothy Albarino]

So it's, there's a very intensely sexual component to this and you can imagine why, you know, why people stay quiet about it. Yeah, it's embarrassing.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, for sure.

[Timothy Albarino]

It can be compromising. And it's, it's not their fault. They're forced to do these things. They don't have a choice. So when you look at it from that angle, you talk about a threat narrative. Well, there's a threat narrative right there. And, and what is the objective of the breeding program? And I'm, I am, I have a great deal of confidence that the breeding program is happening and has been happening for decades. Well, what is the objective? What's the end game? Well, apparently, according to researchers like David Jacobs, Dr. David Jacobs, he published a book, a series of books on the abduction phenomenon. And his last book before he retired was called Walking Among Us. And in that book he proposes, based on the testimony of abductees, he proposes that we've entered into an integration phase where the advanced human alien hybrids which he denominates, hubrids are integrated into, integrating into human society or at least learning the basics, learning the ropes of how to act normal in human society. And, and what's happening is according to the testimony of the abductees that, that Jacob's interfaced with, they, they have what they call personal, what he, what he calls personal project hybrids. And some of these abductees are assigned, are assigned adult hybrids and they have to take these hybrids around and teach them about life on Earth and again, how to integrate into society without standing out. So it's a covert operation. So what's that about? I'd say that's a threat. I mean, if you don't know what the objective is. And by the way, Dr. Jacobs believes that the objective of the gray aliens is planetary acquisition.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Timothy Albarino]

So, you know, there's different opinions right now in the UFO community and there's a lot of people who are against the so called threat narrative, but the threat is there. Now. I am cautious because I don't want to see the formulation of a one world government to address this threat or to give our government more power, emergency powers and so forth. So I don't want that. I'm not for that. But I think we need to, to acknowledge the reality of the situation and, and the threat component, because it's there.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Wow. I can't believe that. That's crazy. So millions of people have been abducted.

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah.

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[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah, there's a Roper pole conducted years ago and based on certain questions, in the way that people answered these questions, it was determined that, that somewhere between 2.5 and 5% of the population is being abducted. The American population. And we can probably extrapolate that out globally because obviously the, the UFO phenomenon and the abduction phenomenon are not. It's not an American phenomenon, it's global.

[Podcast Host]

That was my next question, actually. Is it more targeted in certain regions? Are they, you think they're just going off to random people? Do you think their approach is very.

[Timothy Albarino]

It's, it is hereditary. So if your parents are abductees, then you're an abductee. I've found no exception to that rule, by the way.

[Podcast Host]

Whoa.

[Timothy Albarino]

None. I mean, if, if you're, if your parents are abductees and you are so. Or one of your parents, if one of the parents happens to be an abductee, then. But all of the children are.

[Podcast Host]

So it's, there's no escaping that.

[Timothy Albarino]

Not really, no. So it, it, it's cumulative over time, the amount of people that are, that are inducted into the program and again, against their will. Most of them don't really know what's going on. They, they just know that, you know, they go to bed one night and they have strange dreams and then they wake up the next morning with, with various kinds of physical markings on their body. You know, one of the more common demarcations, physical demarcations of abduction is scoop marks. People have them on their arms or sometimes on their hands, various parts of their Body, but then also that delta shape. There's a series of sort of like impressions in the skin that look like dots and it's in a delta formation, so triangle formation.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Timothy Albarino]

That's very common. So you have, again, this is a realm of physical evidence. When people are abducted, they're physically missing from the point of abduction. This isn't out of. This isn't a out of body experience. It's not astral projection. They're gone. They're physically gone. And there's been cases where there's been search parties sent out to find these people and they're missing for a couple of hours and then they're suddenly and inexplicably returned to the point of abduction, you know, while their search party's out looking for them. So return back to their bedrooms or whatever. Sometimes they're. They're abducted from their bedroom, which is probably the most common case. Abducted from the bedroom. And then they're dropped off outside of their house in. On their patio, and the doors and windows are locked and so have to break in to get back in the house. I mean, this. Sometimes they're returned with the wrong clothes on. Sometimes they come back and their clothes are on backwards or no clothes at all.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Timothy Albarino]

And this is quite common. People. People will have an abduction experience, an episode, and they'll. They interact with sometimes other abductees. You have small, smaller scale abductions where it's just you or a couple other people and they have large scale abductions, you know, like community abductions almost, where you have hundreds of people on a vessel and they're all laid out on tables and they're all, they, they're all in a state of sedation. They're incapacitated for the most part.

[Podcast Host]

How do they get you in that state, you think?

[Timothy Albarino]

There's a couple of ways. I think there's telepathic control.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Timothy Albarino]

But then also they're implanted. I think all abductees are implanted with a chip or with a device, some sort of a technological device that it evades detection in your body. It doesn't, it doesn't cause an inflammatory response. So that's. It's a very advanced piece of technology.

[Podcast Host]

Like nanotech or something.

[Timothy Albarino]

Something like that. Yeah. A lot of abductees have implants around the nasal cavity, sometimes around the ears, behind the ears, in the neck. But they can be anywhere in the body. And they migrate. They can migrate.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Timothy Albarino]

And so if you're implanted with this technology, then maybe it's interacting with your nervous system. So if. If. And it's mainly gray aliens that are doing the abducting. And I know that there's a narrative out there that it's not that the gray aliens are created by the CIA, elements of the CIA, that, that. That. Or that are people dressing up as aliens and, you know, drugging somebody and sedating them and making them think they're being abducted. Violence. Maybe that happens to some extent, and maybe it has, and it wouldn't surprise me. But the. But the. But the phenomenon itself is not that it is wholly alien. It's not. It's. It's not a human phenomenon, and it's. It's happening on such a vast scale. When, for example, there's cases. I've personally talked to someone who's. Who experienced a. What I would describe as a corporate abduction where it. Not just you, but all of your family and your neighbors are abducted, the ones that are abductees. And when this happens, a craft will land in the neighborhood somewhere. Let's say it's usually a rural neighborhood. Abductees are often. They have this inclination to move out into the country, many of them, and. And. Or into communities that are more secluded. Yeah. And so in those cases, a craft will land, like in a field near the town, and then there'll be dozens and dozens of people abducted at the same time. And in many cases, the grays will go and, you know, they're holding them by the hand and they're walking them out of their house or sometimes floating them out of their house. That depends on the proximity of the craft. If the craft is in close proximity, then it deploys technology that is, for all intents and purposes, indistinguishable from magic. You know, levitation technology.

[Podcast Host]

Just like the movies, right?

[Timothy Albarino]

That's right. Yeah. So the. So the craft, if it's close to the house, it will deploy a. A beam of light, usually a bluish hued beam of light through a window. And abductees, the grays will come in through the light, and then they'll take the abductees out through the light.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. So they could phase your physical body through.

[Timothy Albarino]

You can go through a closed window. Now, some people say you can go through the walls and ceilings. That may be true, but I wonder if it's all through windows, because sometimes closed windows, sometimes there's cases where an abductee is in a. Is in a room without windows, and the graves will actually escort them to a different room that has a window. It doesn't matter how small the window is, as long as that beam of light can get into the room, and then they're transported into the craft through the light. Holy crap. Now, when the craft is not in proximity, in this case, I was describing corporate abduction, where it's landed in a field, and the Grays have gone in and they're gathering, they are retrieving various abductees at the same time. Then, as I said, they go into the houses, and they lead the abductees by the hand out through their yard, across the street, through the woods, into the field. And this is why so many abductees have these vague memories of, you know, especially when they're kids, they'll remember that when they were a toddler, when they were, you know, five years old, they remember holding the hand of this little bald gray guy and walking across the street. And one person told me she remembers looking to her right. She's being led by a gray, and she looks to her right, and her neighbors are also being all led by gray aliens. By the hand. Wow. Into the craft. So these people. Sometimes you have abductees who they. They encounter each other on a craft, and then they don't know. They've never seen each other in any other context. This is the first time they're meeting, is on this craft. Right. If they're not from the same neighborhood, say, and then they'll run into each other just out there in the world, and they will recognize each other from these, from the encounter they had on the craft without any previous interaction. I mean, we can just go on and on and on. The physical evidence in the abduction phenomenon is. I mean, you could prove this in a court of law.

[Podcast Host]

That's fascinating.

[Timothy Albarino]

So this is where a lot of the evidence is. People say, well, where's the evidence of this stuff? Why don't they show us the aliens or show us the craft or whatever? Well, the government's never going to do that, not anytime soon. But it's a good possibility. One of your neighbors has been on the craft and interacts with the Grays routinely, but maybe doesn't realize it.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

So this. This phenomenon is pervasive.

[Podcast Host]

You say routinely. I was actually going to ask. So they're repeatedly abducting the same person over and over. It's not like a one and done type of thing.

[Timothy Albarino]

Based off your research, abduction is for life. So you're. Again, it's. It's hereditary. So it's your family line. So if. If your parents are abductees, you're being taken, you know, at least by the time you're a Toddler.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Timothy Albarino]

And it doesn't appear that it ends until you're. You're. You're into your old age. And. And I know again from talking to abductees that some abductees that I've interfaced with, they were abducted when they were toddlers, and when they would be brought onto the ship, they would see elderly people on the ship. And in one case, this particular friend of mine said she was being escorted onto a ship in one of these situations where the craft landed in, like, a field, and she's being escorted by a Gray. And when she was going onto the ship, it's a. A saucer. She. She's boarding the ship, and there's an older woman sitting there. Of course, she's sitting on a bench that looks like it's molded into the wall. And the old lady looks at her and she's distraught, and she said, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, honey, but this is going to happen to you for the rest of your life. So here you have a young lady and then an older woman being abducted. At the same time, the older woman realizing that she's been involved in this for a long time and that this younger girl is also going to be subjected to this for her whole life. So, again, going. Circling back to the threat narrative. So, to me, this is an invasive, hostile operation. Even if, let's say, the Grays have good intentions, and I don't think they do. I think whatever intentions they have may be good for them, but they're not necessarily good for us. Right. Even if the Grays have good intentions, benevolent intentions, the operations that they're conducting are. Are so invasive, they're treating us like cattle, and it's. It's hard to morally justify that.

[Podcast Host]

Man, you got me wondering if I've been abducted. I wake up a weird mark sometimes.

[Timothy Albarino]

What kind of marks?

[Podcast Host]

Like bruises. This one you could kind of see. I get, like, weird bruises sometimes, but people just write that off as like you're getting older, you know?

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah. Have you ever had dreams of floating through your house?

[Podcast Host]

I had one dream where I felt like I was astral projecting.

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah. Through your wall or through your ceiling or something?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I went out the house and was, like, flying in the air.

[Timothy Albarino]

What did you see? So you could see the house below you? Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever seen orbs in your house, actually, or on your property?

[Podcast Host]

Orbs?

[Timothy Albarino]

No.

[Podcast Host]

Sometimes in photos, you know?

[Timothy Albarino]

You've never seen any in your home?

[Podcast Host]

Not with my own eyes.

[Timothy Albarino]

Have you ever had sleep paralysis where you feel like Somebody's in the room.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, yes. When I was a kid, in my old house. All the time.

[Timothy Albarino]

By the way. These are the questions. Some of the questions that were in the Roper.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

That were in the Roper poll. Yeah. Wow. If you answer. If there's five, and if you answer yes to, like, three out of the five, then there's a pretty high probability you're an abductee.

[Podcast Host]

I think I just answered yes to three of them.

[Timothy Albarino]

Right. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Jesus.

[Timothy Albarino]

But it's just not. I mean, it's not ironclad. It's not. There'd have to be a much deeper evaluation. But, yeah, you would be an interesting candidate for, let's say, hypnotic regression to try and see if you have memories of abductions. Because most abductees don't have memories.

[Podcast Host]

I don't have any.

[Timothy Albarino]

They're there, but they're sequestered behind a firewall. And if you try and get the memories, get to the memories. Usually what you'll be presented with is a screen memory, which is a false memory.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. They could plant false memories.

[Timothy Albarino]

They plant false memories in your mind. So you confront a screen. Usually some people have conscious recall of a lot of the actual details for whatever reason. But most people, if they can remember anything at all, they're presented with a screen memory. So it's a screen memory, is a false memory. Sometimes it involves, like, animals, for example. You'll see. Here's a scenario I've heard. You'll be driving along the road. You'll see a craft, looks like a bright light. Sometimes it's following you. As it gets closer, you realize it's a craft. And then the next thing people remember is like, I saw like a deer. The next thing I remember is a deer staring at me. But it had black eyes. Well, like this sort of weird, bizarre scenario that doesn't make any sense. But when you penetrate and you circumvent those screen memories, you realize that it wasn't a deer. It was a gray alien standing at their door.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. Right? That's crazy.

[Timothy Albarino]

And then they open up the door and they're let out and they go up into the craft. And quite common, actually, abductions that happen on the road, on rural roads while you're driving. While you're driving, what? The car still operates so well, you are. Remember most abductees, if not all abductees, are implanted. So you'll have this impression that you need to. You'll see a cr. Usually this is how it. How it plays out. So this is a common Scenario. I've personally interviewed people who've had this happen to them, where you'll be driving along a rural road. Obviously, it's most almost always on a rural road at nighttime. And you'll see a light in the distance and you'll think, oh, that's interesting. I wonder what that is. And it's making erratic movements. And then suddenly the light is either over top of you or it's right behind you. And then the next thing, the next thing you know, you're pulling over. And a lot of abductees only remember to that point, and they remember pulling over with this light behind them. And then the next thing they remember is they're driving again, but they have missing time or they're somewhere, or they're much further along on the road, or they're in the wrong. They're on the wrong side of the road and they have to swerve over to avoid traffic.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Timothy Albarino]

Very common. And sometimes the, the craft will actually, let's say it's a saucer, will actually lift the entire vehicle with you inside of it into the craft. Other times they'll have you pull over. And in almost every case, you pull over because you're, you're implanted. But there's also telepathic control, and that telepathic control is from a distance. And abductees are always in contact with the phenomenon. Always through telepathy. Through telepathy and probably through the implant.

[Podcast Host]

I've tried that. I think it was. Might have been Stephen Greer that came up with the one where you start talking to the stars and you start seeing stuff. I forget what type of meditation that is, but.

[Timothy Albarino]

So you've heard of psionics, right? Yeah, the, the, this, the. These are individual psionic assets, they call them. These are individuals who. Some of them are in the Legacy program. And they are able to make contact with something with, with the alien presence, let's say. Yeah, and UFOs show up.

[Podcast Host]

Blood cell.

[Timothy Albarino]

Right. People like that. But others who like, are actually in the programs, in the Legacy program. And Jacob Barber came out with Ross Colart, I think it was last year, and talked about the psionic assets. And, and he, he had psionic assets on his team. And so they can draw in UFOs. And people wonder how they can do this. Well, I think the way that they're doing this is because the psionic assets are abductees. And abductees are intrinsically connected to the phenomenon. They're interlaced with the phenomenon. So they're never not being surveilled and, and it's, you know, and I hate to put it in these terms, but say you're a cattleman and you've got cattle out in the field, and you know, when one of your cows is in distress or whatever, and if you, if you, if you sense, or the cow is making some kind of auditory distress signal, you're going to go investigate and see what's going on out there. Maybe there's wolves out there. If you live where I live in Montana, bear wolves. And so you go out and you investigate. You go out, if it's nighttime, you go out with your flashlight and you take a look or you jump on your hors, your quad or whatever. And, and because that's your cattle. Right. So in the same way, abductees are interlaced with the phenomenon so that if they're broadcasting something, then that elicits a response from the phenomenon, because they are. And again, I hate to use these terms, but they're kind of like the cattle. Yeah, the, the, the, the assets. And so I think what happens a lot of times is that response is automated and, and, and it, and what shows up are orbs. So it's kind of funny because the best example of this, the, the best analog for this in my mind is I had a friend who had a ranch in, in, in Australia. He had a big cattle ranch. His cattle were at, were way out there, and he was too lazy to get up and go check on them all the time. So whenever something seemed like they're getting agitated, he would send his drone. He'd be sitting there, you know, and in his tighty whities in his house watching TV or something, and he sees that the cows are getting agitated. So rather than going out there himself, he deploys his drone. He's looking on his screen. So in, in the same sense, I think that if there's, if there's some sort of a communication happening between an abductee and the abductors, then what, what happens is an automated response and drones, so to speak, are deployed. The orbs.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Timothy Albarino]

And that's why I think so many people can, I shouldn't say so many people that some people seem to have this unearthly ability to summon orbs.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

And, and I've actually discussed this with, with some people in the psionics programs.

[Podcast Host]

And that makes, that makes a lot of sense to me because not everyone can call them out and they just appear.

[Timothy Albarino]

No. So I think what you have is a lot of these individuals are abductees and they probably don't realize it. Some of them maybe do, but a lot of them probably don't. So it's the most important. You know, I talk about this a lot because it's the most important facet of the phenomenon. It's. It's more important than the Legacy Program, than the Crash Retrieval program. It's more important than the reverse engineering of the technology or the recovery of the bodies. The abduction phenomenon is the heart of this thing. It's at least. At least as it pertains to Gray aliens. It's at the heart of this thing. Like, this is the. This is the op.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

So let's assume that people like, you know, the late Budd Hopkins and Carla Turner and David Jacobs are correct. These abduction researchers and the Grays are integrating into human society with advanced human alien hybrids that are, for all intents and purposes, indistinguishable from us, except they retain the powerful, the potent telepathic capabilities of the Grace. Let's assume that that's true. Well, that's a problem.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

Because we don't know what their intentions are. Wow. We can't find. We can't stop them, and we have no idea what the end game is. So. So that, to me, is the most important facet I interface with, with people in government about this topic. And this is, again, in my mind, the most important facet of this phenomenon and the thing that I'm really trying to raise awareness of at that level. Because at the congressional level, let's say there's acknowledgment of the Legacy Program, there's a lot of whistleblowers who are coming behind the scenes, and right now there's no whistleblower protection yet. So you have a lot of whistleblowers who come privately, and they have all kinds of stories. Whistleblowers come to me, but they go to these congressmen and women, they tell them stories, but they don't want to go public. Why? They don't want to lose their pension, they don't want to endanger their family, and they don't want to lose their own lives. And so they'll tell these things in private. They'll tell the senators and congressmen privately and representatives privately about their experiences, but they don't want to go on the record. And that's understandable.

[Podcast Host]

Makes sense.

[Timothy Albarino]

And so that's why at the congressional level, they've been trying to pass the legislation, the Whistleblower Protection act and so forth, to try and protect these people so that they can come forward Tell their stories. And not. Not at the expense of their lives. Not at. Not at. Without having to worry about losing their pension. Yeah. And. And endangering their families. So that's. That reality is happening right now. So a lot of these congressional people who maybe were kind of interested in the phenomenon a couple years ago, many of them are now realizing that this is. This is a reality, especially the Legacy program. But they. But they're. They haven't yet begun to contemplate the abduction phenomenon. Yeah, that. That to me is. As I said, that's.

[Podcast Host]

That's the final boss.

[Timothy Albarino]

That's it.

[Podcast Host]

Do you think there's a open line of communication with. Whether it's the Grays or any sort of alien species and any government agencies right now?

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah, I think we've been in contact with one or more factions for a long time. Since the. Since the 60s, at least. I would say.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah. But. But when I say we, as you know, it's. This is a. This whole thing is clandestine and it's compartmentalized, highly compartmentalized. So different facets of the. Of. Of the phenomenon, rather, let's put it in these terms. There aren't. There's a suite of government agencies involved, and then beneath them, there's a suite of private enterprises that are involved. The. The aerospace contractors. So you have, of course, like the CIA, and you have the Department of Energy, and you have the United States Air Force. Those are three big ones that have been involved in this phenomenon for a long time. But then you also have the aerospace companies, you know, the. The Lockheed Martins and the Raytheons and the Northrop Grumman and all of these different aerospace contractors. And they don't interface, they don't share information. They hoard it. And it's. It's. They each have a component of the. Of. Of the. Of the puzzle. A piece of the puzzle. And sometimes the. Let's say there's a. A retrieval. A retrieval of a saucer, and there's bodies. Well, different aspects of that technology will be sent to different places, and nobody will have the whole picture. Nobody will know where it came from. There's no getting together and trying to collectively figure out how this thing works or what to do with it. It's. There. There's so much secrecy. There's so much compartmentalization that this thing is just spread out all over the place. And so it's difficult to. And it's done purposely. It's difficult to assemble the pieces. And this apparatus has been intentionally devised to circumvent Oversight, the oversight of the American government, specifically of Congress and then, and then the knowledge of the American people. So it's, this entire thing has been, it's been concocted to keep everybody in the dark so that nobody has the entire picture.

[Podcast Host]

And that worked for a while, but now in the digital era, it's getting harder.

[Timothy Albarino]

It's getting harder. Yeah. And there was a lot more government oversight until the, the, until the FOIA Act. I can't, I don't know if that's what it's called, but when, when the FOIA stuff went into, when that stuff was passed, where now civilians can make inquiries into different aspects, different agencies to find, to find out what the government's doing. And so they had to move the programs out of government and house them primarily in the, in the corporations, the private corporations, the aerospace companies. So what that does is it, it, you know, the way I think of this whole thing is like, is a gigantic octopus. And each of the, each of the arms of the octopus is playing a shell game. So they each have a component of the, of the phenomenon, but it's like a shell game. They, if you try and figure out what it is, what, what they know, they move it around, right. It's like a puzzle. They tell you, there's nothing here. We don't know, we don't know about that project. We don't know what you're talking about. Even when congressmen make inquiries or you don't have the need to know, or it's, they don't have the clearance. And it, and it's, every single agency involved in every single corporate entity involved plays this shell game. And, and so that's what, that's what we're dealing with. So when people say, you know, why hasn't there been disclosure? Or for example, with this film that just came out, the, the Age of Disclosure.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

People get upset because they say, oh, we're sick of talking heads. Where's the evidence? Well, good luck trying to get that evidence because you're dealing with the biggest secret any government has. And, and, and there's, there's, there's the, the most aggressive, the most aggressive secrecy apparatus in the world is controlling this thing. So you're not just going to get receipts. You're not just going to walk into some facility and with a camera and take a picture of an, of an alien body laid out on the table. That's not going to happen. I mean, this thing has been so carefully crafted to ensure that that doesn't happen. So this is, you Know, you have to play the long game if you're interested in disclosure.

[Podcast Host]

It is incredible how they're able to pull it off on a worldwide scale though, right?

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah. And I mean, you think about it though, go back to the 60s, the 50s, and let's go back all the way to the 40s in the wake of World War II. Really, the only government that had the capacity to control this phenomenon was the United States after World War II. And so we had a, we had an agreement in place with our allies in friendly nations that if there was a UFO crash, let's say Peru, for example, then the, the United States Air Force would deploy to go and, and recover the residue of that craft to, to that. That was the operational arm of this thing was United States Air Force. And they would deploy all over the world or, or they would have like a subcontractor deploy for them. And so the United States has been controlling a lot of this for a long time.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Timothy Albarino]

And. But we don't control the Chinese program, we don't control the Russian program. They have their own Crash Retrieval Pro. They have their own legacy program in place. And that's, it's, it's a, it's an arms race to, to who, who can reverse engineer and derive functional technology the fastest from, from these crash retrievals.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I saw you on another show. Say you believe that some of it has been reverse engineered, right?

[Timothy Albarino]

Absolutely. Yeah. I think we've, we have succeeded. We have, we've had a limited, we've had limited success in reverse engineering various components of these craft. And I think part of our problem has been that, that the, the energy source for some of these craft is exotic matter, matter that's not found on Earth. So all we have of it is, is what we've been able to accumulate through, through crash retrievals. So if you can't continue to manufacture these necessary components, then you're very limited in what you can do with the technology right now. You can derive certain things like the late Colonel Corso says that claims and has claimed publicly that, that, you know, we've, we've derived various technologies from this night vision, one of them, for example, Fiber optics, stuff like that. Yeah, that, that and that. We've, since we integrated it first into military application and then it leaks into the public sector and, and you get the widespread use of this technology. So maybe, maybe we're benefiting right now from some of that technology. Could be the form of fiber optics.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Some people theorize AI too, and artificial, perhaps.

[Timothy Albarino]

Artificial intelligence.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. So they Got to recreate that exotic matter. Then they got to figure out how.

[Timothy Albarino]

To recreate that in some cases. I think that's true, yeah. I mean, you know, there's a lot of theories out there about how the technology works, how the craft are powered, how they move, how they maneuver. And I personally believe the testimony of Bob Lazar. I think Bob Lazar told the truth. And I think that element 115 is real, and that at least. And there could be a variety of things that are being done. I mean, we use a variety of things. Right. We use internal combustion, but we also have. We run vehicles on electricity.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Timothy Albarino]

I mean, we were using steam for a long time to power our trains, for example, and boats. So they could be using a variety of technologies, not just one, but I think some of the technology is dependent on exotic matter, specifically element 115.

[Podcast Host]

And do you think these ships that these UFOs are. Are, I guess, traveling. Do you think they could go to other planets pretty easily?

[Timothy Albarino]

Very easily, yeah. Certainly the planets in our solar system. And that's why some people say this isn't an extraterrestrial phenomenon, it's an interdimensional phenomenon. Okay. First of all, nobody can really define what interdimensional means, but if these craft can maneuver with this, if they can maneuver in outer space with the same ease that they maneuver on planet Earth in the atmosphere, then what's stopping them from having bases on Mars? Nothing is the answer.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Timothy Albarino]

And it would be very easy for them to come here from Mars. That's in the neighborhood of our solar system. And the craft clearly are trans. Medium. They. They can operate in the atmosphere, underwater, or in outer space with the same utility, with the same ease they move, because they're not really moving through the medium of the atmosphere. They're not moving through the medium of the water. They're. They're in sort of a gravitational bubble, and they're moving space time around the craft. Wow. And so that's why there's. For example, you can have a craft that either comes out of the water at a high rate of speed or goes into the water and there's no splash because the craft isn't actually interacting with that medium.

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Holy crap.

[Timothy Albarino]

It's. It's moving space time around it. It's bending spacetime using a very powerful gravitational force.

[Podcast Host]

That's insane. So they're bending the laws of physics.

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah, they're. They're making use of very high energy to manipulate space time through gravity. Gravity bends light. Gravity bends the fabric of space time. So the, you know, then the question is, well, what's the power source? Some people postulate that it's zero point energy. I've even heard a very interesting theory by Eric Davis, the astrophysicist, who says that he thinks it could be the quantum entanglement. That. This is really fascinating actually that, you know, we know because of quantum entanglement that particles can be in communication interact regardless of distance. Right, right. So you could have a power source. And let's, just for the sake of an illustration here, let's say that there's, there's a Dyson sphere around a star somewhere in the solar, in, in, in another solar system. Right. A Dyson sphere around a star. A star. So it's collecting all of the energy of that star, harvesting the energy of a star. That's a massive power source. Right?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

And if you could remotely interact with that power source, imagine having a, a building full of batteries, but you don't have to have any wires to connect to it. You can, like we're in Las Vegas, but let's say there's a, a factory full of batteries in New York and we can access that energy without cables or regardless of distance. Wow, that's a very, very, that's a very, very interesting hypothesis.

[Podcast Host]

Very interesting.

[Timothy Albarino]

That would be using quantum, quantum entanglement to, to access a power source somewhere else in the universe. They could be doing that. I mean, it's theoretically possible, I guess. I'm not a physicist, but. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Well, that's like scalar energy, right? Kind of.

[Timothy Albarino]

I'm not sure. I think that would be more like a zero point energy scalar stuff.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Because I know they've done some studies on scalar and like distance. Like someone in Florida will use it on someone in New York.

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah, I, I don't know, I'm not a physicist, but these, these are all very, very intriguing ideas. And I suppose if you've got that level of technology, the kind of technology on display in UFOs, I suppose anything's possible. But again, I, I'm, I'm, I would say I'm, I'm quite persuaded that some of this has to do with exotic matter. So element 115. This of course comes from Bob Lazar's testimony, by the way. Bob Lazar was talking about element 115 back in the early 90s.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Timothy Albarino]

And right here in Las Vegas with George Knapp. Yeah, the journalists here, local journalist George Knapp. And, and, and Lazar was talking about element 115. And, and this was obviously on the Periodic table. These are elements that we don't have on our periodic table. And there's a group of elements, I think it's from 112 to 116, if I recall, that Lazar says are stable and they're very heavy elements. They're, they're not found on Earth. But, but that class of elements exists. And he said that the, the craft he was working on, the so called sports model at the S4 facility, that, that it was using an antimatter reactor and, and, and element 115. And that element 115 was being used to, they were, they were bombarding it I think with protons. And when those protons would be plugged in, it was a, it's basically an atom. It's a, what do you call it, what do you call it? The thing at cern, the atom smasher.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, I know you're talking about local.

[Timothy Albarino]

Term for it, the particle accelerator. Yeah, basically using a particle accelerator. And, and when the, the particle hits the element 115, it turns an element 116 and it throws off an antimatter particle. And so it's an antimatter reactor. So you have a matter, the, the most explosive power that we know of is matter antimatter. So when matter and antimatter collide, it creates, it turns into energy, pure energy. So it was, it's the, it's the antimatter reactor in this case by way of element 115 that's creating that enormous amount of energy that's necessary to bend the fabric of space time. And that, that energy is being, is being used to, it's being emitted through gravity emitters that create like a torrid donut shape of, of of spacetime distortion around the craft. And by the way, when fully energized, that's what makes these craft disappear because gravity bends light. So if you're bending light around the craft, it's not that the craft disappeared per se, it's that it's just become invisible from your perspective, from your vantage.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Timothy Albarino]

And whether the craft's just in a gravitational bubble because it's using vacuum energy or something like that, zero point energy, or whether, whether it's generating gravity waves to envelop the craft in a, in a, in a gravity bubble. Same kind of the same concept. You wouldn't see the craft when it's fully energized because it's bending light. You would only see the atmosphere around it. Yeah. You'd see what's behind it, but you wouldn't see the craft itself. I think that's why they disappear, because they're not really going. Sometimes they just take off. Extremely high rates of speed, but sometimes they're just fully energized and you can't seem anymore. So it's all very fascinating.

[Podcast Host]

Very. Have they figured out where element 115 comes from yet?

[Timothy Albarino]

No, but I'm glad you brought that up, because I didn't finish my thought. So, Lazar was talking about element 115 back in the early 90s, and then some years ago, we were able to synthesize element 115. I believe it's called moskvum today on the periodic table. And we confirmed that element 115 can be synthesized, but not a stable isotope. So we can't do anything with it because our version is very. The one that we can synthesize. It's not stable. In other words, decays too quickly. You can't make use of it. Okay, so a stable version of element 115 is there. Does not exist on Earth. Which. Which informs us. If that's true. I believe it is. If that's true, then you're looking at an extraterrestrial phenomenon because somebody's harvesting element 115 somewhere else in the universe because it's not here.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Timothy Albarino]

Maybe it's on Mars, maybe it's on Venus, maybe it's on Mercury, maybe it's on one of the other planets in our solar system, but it's not here. So if they came here with element 115, if that's part of the mechanism behind their propulsion system, then we. We can know for certain that they came from somewhere that is not planet Earth, because we don't have that here.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

And that can be said for some of the other exotic materials that have been reported over the years by people like Colonel Corso and others, that there are exotic components. There are exotic. There's exotic matter incorporated into some of this technology that is not found on Earth. Well, that implies an extraterrestrial phenomenon.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

So I believe Lazar's story is true. I really do. I know a lot of people still doubt Lazar, but I would agree with people like George Knapp, who knew Lazar intimately, and he verified much of Lazar's story, if not all of Lazar's story, even the debunking that people have done out there. Knapp has proven that Lazar was employed where he said he was employed at Los Alamos National Laboratory. And, And. And. And the people who work there knew him and recognized him. And so Forth and anyway, shout out to Lazar.

[Podcast Host]

Real one man, he was ahead of his time. Yeah, yeah. I did want to ask you about Mars. You brought it up. I've seen you talk about Mars and other shows. Elon's obsessed with going there. Seems like we might get there in our lifetime. What do you think his, his goal with Mars is?

[Timothy Albarino]

Well, I think his goals are what he stated genuinely that he, he thinks that, you know, we should be an interplanetary species and, and we, we need to colonize Mars for many reasons. But also what people don't realize is that it's been an objective of the mystery schools for a long, long time. An ancient desire, an ancient objective to go to Mars. Because according to the mystery schools, that's where the gods descended from was Mars. And that the secrets of the gods, the knowledge of the gods is on the planet Mars. And I personally believe that there's evidence of lost civilization there. You know, the Cydonia region, the face on Mars and all that. Even though they, you know, they published some low resolution images and then they came out later and published some higher resolution images that just, you know, made it look like, basically made all of those anomalous features look quite mundane. But I, I believe that the Cydonia region of Mars was inhabited and that there are massive megalithic structures there. Wow. Pyramids and other kinds of buildings. And in fact, do you remember recently, rather recently they published a, I believe NASA maybe even, or somebody found this photo on this, I can't remember, but there was a, a picture taken of Mars where there was a perfectly square outline, like, I remember like a footprint of a building. I mean it's, it's hard to imagine that that something that symmetrical could exist in nature that that wasn't artificially constructed.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I definitely think there was a civilization on Mars.

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah, and again, in the mystery schools, they, they, it's not a question of if they know there was a civilization on Mars. That's, that's part of the secret that they keep in the mystery schools. And I think that to some extent, of course, everybody's aware of the, the occult roots of NASA and of the, the Jack Parsons and a lot of what happened in the early days of the rocket program. And there's a lot of occultism in, in, in the rocket program and space exploration and even the times of the year and the seasons when they're going to land in certain areas, the coordinates where, where they're going to land, there's all these bizarre occult connections. So the whole enterprise is Occultic, the whole space enterprise right now. And again it, it's directly connected to the goals of the mystery schools.

[Podcast Host]

You think those schools are still around today or you think that was ancient?

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah, I think they are in various forms. Probably not the ones that people think of like the Freemasons and the Illuminati and all of that. I think that, that there are much more important, significant mystery school organizations that nobody knows about. Nobody knows the name. The name isn't published on the Internet. And they, you know, there was the Elysian Mystery School back in, back in the ancient Greek world. And, and each, each of these cultures had these mystery schools and they go back certainly to the ancient Egyptians. Wow.

[Podcast Host]

That far?

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah. And I think a lot of the, the knowledge that's kept in the mystery schools is in many cases it's functional knowledge. It's not just spiritualism. It's actually functional knowledge. It's secrets that are kept and that are, that are transmitted only through the adepts, the initiates in the mystery schools. And they have an agenda. And again, it's not just spiritualism. There's functional information there. And when I say functional information, for example, this idea that there was a civilization on Mars, so it becomes functional when you start to build the rocket ships to go there. Right. And I, and I think that ultimately there's going to be what I described as the revelation of Mars, that there was a civilization there.

[Podcast Host]

I think we'll know in our lifetime. Right?

[Timothy Albarino]

I think so. I mean we can, you know, we'll send probes there for sure and have.

[Podcast Host]

I don't trust those though. From NASA.

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah, I think we'll see a man mission to Mars.

[Podcast Host]

That'd be great.

[Timothy Albarino]

Maybe in the next 15 years.

[Podcast Host]

Hope so.

[Timothy Albarino]

Especially with artificial intelligence plugging that into the equation. Yeah, I, I think that, I think Elon Musk will accomplish that.

[Podcast Host]

I hope so. Really do. Egypt's fascinating when they discovered all the stuff that's going on underneath the surface did not shock you at all?

[Timothy Albarino]

Well, I don't know that it's been verified.

[Podcast Host]

I thought they did some sort of scan that.

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Mapped out everything.

[Timothy Albarino]

They did it from space, from a satellite and I don't remember. I think it was sonar. I could be wrong. I think it was a sonar technology. It was satellite based and there appears to be something under the pyramids. But until somebody digs or, or goes in there with some serious ground penetrating radar to try and verify any of this, you can get all kind. I work with ground penetrating radar. We have a, on our Team, we have a state of the art aerial GPR unit and we actually have two, two different antennas. We've, we've deployed it in Peru and found some really cool stuff, but we can see down 300ft. Wow. And that's at a little bit of lower resolution. That's to find larger structures like the kind of stuff that they say are under the pyramids. And then we have a more high resolution shallow antenna that, that can see under the right conditions, can see a quarter 15ft under the ground. So if the stuff that they say is there under the, under the Giza Plateau, then you should be able to go in there with, with state of the art GPR equipment and verify it. Because one thing you have to understand is when you're using these kinds of technologies, there's all kinds of artifacts and artifacting that you have to be aware of. There's, there's, if there's water, some of these technologies reflect, okay, you know, our technology reflects, for example, in water. And even without water you'll get reflections, echoes and GPR readings. And our GPR readings by the way, aren't like just the squiggly lines, the layers of different squiggly lines. You can plug these into software now and you get a 3D rendering of what's, you can get a 3D rendering of what'S under the ground. And so you got to be careful. So you know, you have to be able to, to differentiate between reflections and you have to verify, you have to, you have to go in there and take another kind of technology and then try and verify the readings that you got with the sonar.

[Podcast Host]

Got it.

[Timothy Albarino]

And that kind of, that's the kind of work that needs to be done now to, to verify the findings of the initial scan. But obviously the Giza Plateau is locked down. They're not going to let you, you know, that's completely controlled by the archaeological community over there in Egypt. And they're not gonna, I doubt they're gonna let anybody dig or, or try and verify that discovery anytime soon.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I don't see that happening.

[Timothy Albarino]

Maybe, maybe there is a project underway, underway that I'm not aware of.

[Podcast Host]

There's people trying.

[Timothy Albarino]

I think the next logical step would be, as I said, to GPR that the, the, the Giza Plateau with state of the art technology, do a GPR scan, try and verify some of what was discovered in the initial scan. And then the next step would be to dig because then you can really local, localize and pinpoint the artifact and then you dig. But Getting permission to dig in those kind of places is nigh impossible, especially if they know the archaeological community, which is, which is very conventional. Right. They don't entertain any kind of alternate theories. In fact, they don't want anything to do with alternate theories. If they know that that's the, that that's the intention is to verify some alternate theory, like massive structures under the pyramids. They're going to block it. They're going to aggressively block you. I've. I've run into this in Peru. I've done a lot of work in Peru, and the archaeological community in Peru is. And I can imagine it's the same in Egypt is very hostile. There's an accepted narrative, and everybody who works in the archaeological community is invested in that narrative. Their jobs depend on that narrative. If they want to continue to hold their job at the university or to get any funding from the government for further projects, then they have to hold the line. Right? They have to. They have to perpetuate the conventional narrative. Right. And. And as soon as they start varying from that narrative, they get ostracized. So there's a vested interest to, to go along, to get along, to get the money, to, to get the accolades, to maintain your prestige within the community, especially in places like Peru and Egypt. Makes sense, because both Peru and Egypt, you're not only dealing with an entrenched archaeological community, you're dealing with a national identity. Right.

[Podcast Host]

The government.

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah, well, you're dealing with the national identity. Like in Peru. Peru, the Peruvians like to think of themselves as the legacy of the Inca, in some sense as the offspring of the Inca. Right, right. Which isn't really true because the Inca race was basically exterminated. But, but the Inca empire, that's what Peru's famous for. That was the seat of the capital of the Inca empire, Cusco. And so so much of the Peruvian identity is interlaced with the Inca. Right. It's the fabric of their identity is the Inca and the Inca empire, and it gives them national pride. That's why there's so many brands in Peru called Inca this, Inca that, Inca Cola, whatever. There's all kinds of brands, Inca brands, because that's what the people identify with. Same thing in Egypt. In Egypt, they're very proud, as they should be, as in Peru, of these cultural identities, that their ancestors built the pyramids, their ancestors built the Sphinx and so forth. And if you come in with an alternate theory, like, well, maybe there was, like, in, in Peru, maybe the Inca didn't build the megaliths. Maybe they just discovered them and rebuilt them, repaired them. And there's an older culture here in the background, an anti diluvian culture, perhaps a prehistoric culture that was building and that inhabited this land first. Well now you're not just presenting an alternative theory now you are doing violence to the national identity of the people who live there. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

In their eyes, it's life altering for them.

[Timothy Albarino]

You're, you, you're, you are, you are seen as, as a, as a, in some sense a, a foreign usurper. Right. Who's trying to steal their inheritance and supplant them with some other theory. And that's very true in Peru and it's very true in Egypt.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. So as an investigator, that must be tough.

[Timothy Albarino]

It's very difficult because especially if you, if you're a guy like me, an American, you know, going to these and, and there's, you know, you have to respect the culture that you're working in and, and, and I'm fascinated by the Inca Empire. I think the Inca were absolutely amazing.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

One of the greatest cultures the world's ever seen, one of the greatest civilizations. And they accomplished remarkable things. They were like the Romans of South America in many ways. And the Inca were capable of incredible archaeological feats, especially as it pertained to aqueducts and roads. Just like the Romans, aqueducts and roads and architecture. They excelled, I mean they excelled above all the other pre Columbian cultures maybe, except for the Maya, Central America. And the same thing with the Maya. They excelled in the same things, aqueducts, Rhodes and so I have a lot of respect for those. I'm fascinated by them. I'm not looking to supplant the Inca. But if the Inca themselves believed that they had inherited, they had inherited a legacy that was older than them, which is what they believe, then you're not, you're not, you're no longer doing violence to that, to the legacy of the Inca. You're just, you're agreeing with what they themselves believe with their, with their mythologies and their ideas about the ancient world. Well, that was true with, not only with the Inca, but with the ancient Egyptians. The ancient Egyptians believed in Zep Tepe the first time when the gods dwelt on earth. They co inhabited with, they co inhabited the earth with human beings, they copulated with human women. They pro generated a race of hybrid demigods and that, that was the best time. That's when knowledge and civilization was imparted to mankind. So if the Egyptians are looking back, all of them, all of the Mesopotamian cultures, the Egyptians, all of the cultures in all the primary cultures in Central and South America, like the Maya, the Inca, when they looked into the past, they saw civilizations that were greater than them. They didn't do what we do. They didn't look back into the past and see cavemen holding clubs, beating each other over the heads. They didn't see ape men. When they looked into the past, they saw God men. And so they believed that the civilizations that predated them were greater than them, that were surpassing in the arts of civilization and in technological development. They all believe this, all of these ancient cultures. And so if you get a guy like me or Graham Hancock or somebody out there who's. Who holds that same opinion, suddenly we're racist, when all we're really doing is confirming the legends and the ideas of the ancients themselves. Yeah. That the civilizations that preceded them were greater than them and that they had received their knowledge from those ancient peoples, those antediluvian people. And in their minds, these people inhabited the world before the cataclysm or cataclysms, and that magnificent world of the gods and the Golden Age was brought to ruin suddenly in a great cataclysm. This is the Atlantis paradigm. That's how the ancients viewed posterity. That's how they viewed their antecedents. And so I just agree with the universal testimony of our antecedents.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, you're actually trying to help them, you know.

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah. So that's a perspective that I think is logical, but again, it is unwelcomed when you're dealing with the conventional narrative, the, the, the archaeological status quo, because there's no money for these people. There's no prestige, there's no opportunity. Right. There's no employment for archaeologists to color outside of the lines. So they have a vested interest. And it's very, it's very political.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

You have to navigate these, this message, and it gets pretty hostile.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, it does. I've tried to moderate debates with archaeologists and people like Graham. It's very nasty.

[Timothy Albarino]

Well, I'll give you an example. I have a. My colleague Anselm P. Rambly. He's a Spanish explorer researcher. He's done a lot of work in Peru. He did excavations at Sacsayuaman. He did an unprecedented excavation in Coricancha, which was the capital of the Inca empire. It was their primary temple. It's where they kept their mummified kings that they would bring out Inti Rymi and different festivals and as if they were still alive. And Anselm made some very interesting Discoveries for one thing. He proved, and nobody really knows this, but Anselm found evidence, irrefutable evidence, that the walls of Sacsayhuaman, the megalithic walls of Sacsayhuaman in Cuzco were not built by the Inca because he dug down to the foundational levels of those walls and they only discovered pre Inca artifacts.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Timothy Albarino]

No Inca artifacts. Pre Inca artifacts. That's it. That's what's at the foundational levels. That's very strong evidence. It's a very strong indication at the very least that the Inca found those walls, that they were built either by a, but they were built by a pre Inca civilization, maybe a prehistoric civilization for all we know. And that evidence has just been ignored.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I've never heard of that.

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah, that I believe he, those excavations took place in the 90s.

[Podcast Host]

He's not allowed back. I bet.

[Timothy Albarino]

So. So Anselm now is some year, last year, last fall. It's a long backstory with me and Anselm Pirambla. We've made some very interesting discoveries in Peru. We discovered a lost city together in the Andes mountains. But Anselm and our team generally we were able to use our technology, the ground penetrating radar system that I described earlier, to detect the Shinkana. What's called the Shinkana Grande in Cusco and the Cincana Grande is a man made tunnel that, it's a, it's a, it's a tunnel that runs for one mile beneath the city of Cusco from the Coricancha to the galleries, the tunnels, the, the underground system beneath the megalithic walls of Sacsay woman. This is a legendary tunnel. Right. If you talk to archaeologists and historians, they'll say, oh, that's just legend. And there's this whole story that goes with it. But we detected the tunnel with our technology. It's there. Anselm saw it previously. He actually saw it with his own eyes.

[Podcast Host]

What?

[Timothy Albarino]

That's the whole story. That'd take a long time to unfold that, that story, but he saw it. And then later on we went back with our technology and we verified, we walked the perimeter of, of Cory Kancha of that temple, which is today the Convent of Santo Domingo. It's the cathedral and convent of Santo Domingo, but the old ruins of the Coricanca are still there. We walk the perimeter and exactly where Anselm saw the tunnel, it's there. We found it. We rendered it in 3D and it's just like it was described. It has the same architectural formation, is the walls in the Coricancha it's, it's made out of cut stone, probably andesite, just like the Koticancha walls. And, and it's again, it runs for a mile. And we detected it with two units, two GPR units, our team. And then, and then in, in conjunction with Anselm and then Anselm, Anselm independently verified it again and he, and he published. We never published our findings intentionally or there's some reasons why. But, but I made a documentary film series called Chasing Legends with Timothy Albarino. That's that I never published anywhere. I put it in my members community, but I never published it anywhere for various reasons of some of the activity that we were doing in Peru. And, but Anselm finally published the findings in regard to the tunnel in Barcelona last year in the fall, and he did a press conference in Barcelona and he published the GPR findings. Well, right after that there was an archaeologist in Cusco named Jorge Calero who started a Coricancha project. And the whole idea was to try and find this tunnel. And there's reason to believe that he stole the data basically from Anselm. And the reason I'm bringing this up is because we're the ones who found the tunnel specifically Anselm. Anselm had a project of his own that was. He had a convenio which is an agreement with the archaeological community in Cusco. He needed the signature of the regional director and the regional director, that position was in flux so he couldn't get the signature. But this Calero individual, this archaeologist in Cusco, he preempted Anselm with his own project and, and got permission for excavations. And then he turned around and launched a smear campaign against Anselm P. Ramblo. Whoa. I saw, I watched it. It was broadcast in Spanish on, on Peruvian television. And it was all about how Anselm P. Rambla is basically a conquistador, a foreign usurper who wants to steal the cultural heritage of Peru, steal the treasures. And he's a treasure hunter, this Spaniard. He's basically depicted him as a conquistador. And so they basically stole his project and then turned around and launched a smear campaign.

[Podcast Host]

Crazy.

[Timothy Albarino]

A defamation campaign. And were working behind the scenes to try and get him thrown in prison should he ever step foot in Peru.

[Podcast Host]

That's awful.

[Timothy Albarino]

Again. And that, that gives you an idea of the environment. Right. And some of these guys over there in Cusco, these archaeologists are of a communist persuasion. Yeah, very aggressive. And that, I mean that illustrates what you're up against. And so. And Anselm's not a usurper. He's not a treasure hunter trying to steal the treasures of Peru. That's not. That's not what he's doing. He makes. He's made significant contributions to the archaeological community in Peru on various. And so have we, frankly, various projects. And yet they wanted to pick us as. As white colonizers and usurpers and all of this. And. And it's absolutely ridiculous. Yeah. Um, so that, again, that's illustrative of the hostility that you encounter. They're trying to throw him in jail if. I mean, if he. If he steps foot in Peru. Because what happened was there was a. They did this smear campaign. Public, again, I watched, was full of. Of disinformation and lies. And then they referred this situation to the intelligence community in Peru. And there was, I believe it was a general or an admiral who made a public statement that it looks like this character, Anselm P. Ramblo, was using. Was using technology, prohibited technology in Peru. And. And it needs to be referred to the intelligence community. And they need to think about arresting this fellow. Basically. Was the. So that's a direct threat. Like, you know, and in Peru, they've got something called preventative prison.

[Podcast Host]

The hell is that?

[Timothy Albarino]

Well, you go to prison without being convicted of anything, just. Just to prevent you from fleeing the country. You know, it has its utility. If you've got. You know, five of the last presidents of Peru were in prison. Several of them are in prison now. So they have this system where they suspect you. That. That you committed a crime, and they. And they. They imprison you so that you can't take off, so you can't flee.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Timothy Albarino]

But it's. It's very dangerous because if. If there's an allegation that you committed a crime, whether you committed it or not, you get put in prison. Prison.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

And then the trial takes years before. Before you go to trial and you're just sitting there in prison. It's a. It's a. You know, I don't think I want.

[Podcast Host]

To go there anymore.

[Timothy Albarino]

No, you got to be very careful. And. And the. And the Ministry of Culture is aggressive in Peru. Aggressive. I've had run ins with. With people representing the Ministry of Culture, and, you know, for some of it is understandable they're trying to shut down the. The theft of artifacts and the trafficking of artifacts. But, I mean, I probably should make this statement publicly. I think that the elements of the Ministry of Culture are the traffickers. Honestly, but in Peru at least.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I could see that, man. Thanks for sharing all that. Being open, being vulnerable. That's really cool. I know you got the members only community. We'll link that in the video. What's next for you, man? Where can people find you? And keep up.

[Timothy Albarino]

I'm going to Peru.

[Podcast Host]

You're going back. We just talked all that about Peru.

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah, I know I'm going back. I lived there for 10 years. Okay. So Peru is home away from home for me. And there's some. There's some very interesting projects underway. Like there's a. There's a. We believe that we found evidence of a lost city, not the one we already discovered in the Andes, another one, I think is going to be more significant in the. In the Andean Amazon. And I went there last year and. And was on an expedition, actually. I went with Mike Cernovich. Nice. And we found indications while we were out there that there's. There's. There's a city in this corridor. And I linked up with this Peruvian professor. He has a team of other colleagues from the universities, and they have been looking for the foundations of the city of Moyabamba. And that's in the high jungle. It's in the northern. Andy. What's called the Andean Amazon, the high jungle in Peru. And you have some very important ancient cities there. You have Moyabama, which one of the oldest cities in Peru. And then you have Chachapoyas, very significant ancient city. And that was the capital of the Chachapoyas people. And then way south of there, not way south, but there's like this corridor of wilderness, just. Just untracked jungle and mountains. And on the other side of that is this lost city called. I almost said Paititi. It's not Paititi. That's the lost city of gold that people are looking for. This legendary lost city of gold. This is called Grandpa Haten. Grandpa Haten. And if you look at pictures of Grandpa Haten, I mean, it's like. It looks like it's right out of a Indiana Jones movie, like the set of an Indiana Jones movie. It's a really, really intriguing lost city. By the way, you can't go there without express permission from the government. Whoa. For the Ministry of Culture, you can't go to Grandfather walk there. No. You have to get permission. And so there's this corridor between these important cities, between this lost city of Grandfather 10, between Moyabamba, Chachapoyas. And based on all the evidence that we've seen and what these professors have discovered, there should be a lost city right in the middle. So you got to dig, and it would be. Well, well, it would be significant. A significant lost city. And so the first thing you got to do is go try and find it with LiDAR, and if you can locate it with LiDAR, then you mount an expedition and you go in with. With a team including archaeologists and anthropologists and whatever, you. You go into the jungle and then you. You explore the site. And that's a project that's sort of pending.

[Podcast Host]

Got it in.

[Timothy Albarino]

In Peru right now for me, you know, there's other things going on as well. The Shinkana thing that I just talked about, that's ongoing, because I think there's a very strong possibility that. That Anselm and his team, including me, are going to get our project approved in Cusco. And then. And then also, of course, the tridactyl.

[Podcast Host]

Mummies, the NASCAR talk mummies, or face peelers. They'll be on the next episode.

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah. So that's. That's all. And I don't know why, you know, I. I don't know why Peru is so significant for all. It's like the epicenter of weirdness. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

A lot of ancient history there.

[Timothy Albarino]

It's just. I always say Peru is the last best place. You know, like, it's. I think I. I think this was a. I don't know if this was falsely attributed to Remington, but. But it said that Remington. Remington once said that Africa was the last best place to hunt big game. And. And I think Peru's the last best place to make, like, really significant discoveries. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Well, if anyone can guarantee I won't end up in preventative jail.

[Timothy Albarino]

Exactly.

[Podcast Host]

I will go there.

[Timothy Albarino]

That's the thing, right? You want to try and make discoveries without ending up in preventative prison. Yeah, that's. That's the. That's the challenge.

[Podcast Host]

Well, dude, this was great. We'll link all your stuff below. Thanks for coming on, man.

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah, of course.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, it means a lot. Check him out, guys. Check out his community and check out his other podcast interviews. I'll see you next time. Peace.

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