Unlocking Consciousness with Ayahuasca | Drew Bankey DSH #1141

Summary

Digital Social Hour Episode #1141: Unlocking Consciousness with Ayahuasca featuring Drew Bankey

Release Date: January 25, 2025

Introduction

In this profound episode of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly engages in an in-depth conversation with guest Drew Bankey. Drawing from Drew's personal experiences with ayahuasca, military service, and spiritual awakenings, the discussion navigates the intricate realms of consciousness, spirituality, and extraterrestrial phenomena. This summary encapsulates the key topics, insights, and revelations shared during their candid dialogue.

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Guest Background and Personal Journey (00:45 - 04:14)

Drew Bankey opens up about his first-time visit to Las Vegas for the podcast, contrasting it with his past experiences attending trade shows as a sales representative. He reflects on reconnecting with a fellow veteran from his 17-year service in Iraq, highlighting the deep bonds formed during deployment.

Notable Quote:

"Seeing him, it's been literally since we were in Iraq, since the last time I saw him. Wow." (01:22)

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Discovery of Spirituality and Ayahuasca (04:14 - 08:25)

Drew delves into his introduction to spirituality, initially unaware of his spiritual inclinations during his military service. A pivotal moment in 2016, marked by trauma and the realization of his adoption at 18, led him to explore ayahuasca as a means to heal and understand his identity. His journey began with researching South American ayahuasca ceremonies, eventually leading him to Soul Quest Church in Orlando.

Notable Quote:

"The whisper of the universe has always been there, but I hadn't been able to listen until I drank ayahuasca in 2016." (02:00)

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Ayahuasca Experiences and Near-Death Encounters (08:25 - 18:44)

Drew recounts his initial ayahuasca ceremonies, describing the physical purging and emotional turbulence he faced. Despite a challenging first experience, a second ceremony brought profound revelations, including visions of light and perceived interactions with entities. He shares a near-death experience during a Sundance ceremony in 2019, where he confronted the fear of death and gained clarity about the enduring nature of consciousness.

Notable Quotes:

"I didn't know I was dying until I heard someone say someone called 911." (15:46)

"Energy never dies. It just is transferred from one point to another." (17:12)

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Understanding Consciousness and Spiritual Energy (18:44 - 36:04)

The conversation shifts to the nature of consciousness, affirming that individual existence transcends physical death. Drew touches on concepts like multidimensional existence, frequency vibrations, and the interconnectedness of all beings. He discusses his experiences with Native American ceremonies, spirit animals, and the integration of spiritual insights into daily life. The dialogue also explores the suppression of consciousness studies by authorities and the eventual melding of science and spirituality.

Notable Quote:

"Our consciousness never dies. Your consciousness was always present, omnipresent all the time." (18:44)

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Extraterrestrial Phenomena and Government Suppression (36:04 - 57:22)

Drew articulates his belief in extraterrestrial life, drawing parallels with historical and cultural narratives from Native American tribes. He recounts personal encounters with "Grays" during ceremonies and discusses the societal suppression of UFO phenomena. The discussion extends to government psyops, conspiracy theories like Project Blue Beam, and the impending revelation of UFOs to the public. Drew emphasizes the importance of collective consciousness in recognizing and manifesting truth.

Notable Quote:

"The government has lied to us about UFOs, they've demonized it, they've pushed money into Hollywood to demonize it, to make it in the woo woo category." (21:49)

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Spiritual Practices and Daily Rituals (57:22 - 81:49)

Drew shares various spiritual practices, including pendulum exercises, sun meditation, and the significance of mantras like "I am." He explains the power of words and intentions in shaping reality, referencing Dr. Emoto's studies on water vibrations. The conversation covers the sacredness of everyday actions, such as eating and praying, and the energetic exchanges involved. Drew also discusses his involvement in ayahuasca ceremonies, including upcoming events and collaborations aimed at bridging science and spirituality.

Notable Quote:

"Words are power. 'I am' is recognizing that the power lies within you, and you don't have to have a third party to connect to the power." (28:13)

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Reflections on Evolution and Future Predictions (81:49 - End)

As the episode nears its conclusion, Drew reflects on humanity's evolutionary path, the dissolution of traditional governmental structures, and the rise of self-sufficiency. He contemplates the future integration of spirituality into mainstream science and warns against societal divisions fostered by fabricated dualities. Drew also touches on prophetic messages received through dreams and visions, including the perceived end of the current political system and the emergence of a new age of consciousness.

Notable Quote:

"The real work starts here in each of us individually. What we're seeing outside is a perception." (49:21)

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Conclusion

Drew Bankey's compelling narrative intertwines personal healing, spiritual enlightenment, and a visionary outlook on humanity's future. Through his experiences with ayahuasca, near-death encounters, and deep spiritual practices, Drew offers listeners a transformative perspective on consciousness and existence. Sean Kelly masterfully guides the conversation, ensuring a rich and engaging exploration of topics that challenge conventional thinking and inspire profound introspection.

Additional Resources:

• Sacred Journeys: sacredjourneyswithin.com
• Social Media: Follow Drew Bankey on Instagram @DrewBankey

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Wow, that's deep. So even pets, you think dogs, cats, I take anything. All right, guys, we got Drew in today. We are in Vegas. First time here in a while for you, right?

[A]

Yeah, it's been a while. You know, I used to do trade shows in a prior life. I was a sales rep for a distribution company for head shops and stuff. So I used to come here for trade shows a lot. But, yeah, this is my first time coming here for podcasts. So. Thanks for having me, brother.

[B]

Absolutely. It's cool to see you get acquainted with your former veteran of 17 years.

[A]

Yeah. Seeing him, it's been literally since we were in Iraq, since the last time I saw him. Wow. The unit that I started off my second deployment in 2007 in Ramadi, Anbar Province, I was a Colt team leader. He was my supervisor, so he was above me. And our unit kind of started breaking up after a while and going to do different missions and they were taking people from our unit and filling different spots. So. Yeah, last time I saw him was in Iraq until last night. So it's pretty crazy.

[B]

Yeah. Did you have a spiritual side to you back then when you were serving there?

[A]

Was, but I didn't know about it. You know, it's always. Yeah, I think the whisper, what I talk about, like, the whisper of the universe has always been there, but, you know, I haven't been able to listen to, you know, until I drank ayahuasca in 2016, so.

[B]

Right, yeah, we'll dive into that because you had all this trauma from Servant and your childhood trauma and. And then in 2016, you take ayahuasca.

[A]

Yeah. So, you know, I was adopted at birth, so literally, I've from birth, I've been a different. I've been through a constant transformation that's been happening ever since day one. So I was Joshua Brandon Robinson for the first five days of my life, and then I was Andrew Roy Banke after that. So from day one, it's always been, you know, a transformation into something like evolution. So. And that's been the path, especially, you know, over the past couple of years has been acceleration of all that.

[B]

Absolutely. So did you have a lot of identity issues growing up?

[A]

I wouldn't say that because I didn't know about me being adopted until I turned. Almost turned 18.

[B]

Whoa, that's late.

[A]

Yeah, and that was a big shocker, you know, and that was my first, like, big trauma, you know, it made me distrust a lot of people. I had abandonment issues and those were my first traumas that started to form, you know, my identity and my process here.

[B]

Yeah. What do you think the right approach to adoption is like? Do you think you should let the kids know at an early age?

[A]

I think there's no template, you know, case by case by case. I think, you know, looking back, definitely at the time when I found out, it was very hurtful, everybody. I was hurtful on all sides. You know, my adopted side, my biological side, everybody. But now, you know, getting older and going through the process, you see, especially being a parent now, you know, I have My oldest child's 21 and I have an 18 month old. So I have four children all together. And having children is starting to make sense of why things happen. You know, they were doing, they made the best decisions at the time, what they thought were the best.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I think that's always true, you know, generally for most parents.

[B]

Yeah, I love that. So let's talk about this ayahuasca journey now.

[A]

Let's do it.

[B]

2016, you said we were talking out there. You said the first night was really rough, right?

[A]

Yeah. So rewind a little bit to 2014. I had a suicide attempt and I was in the process of starting a company. Glass Guy distribution had a 12,000 square foot warehouse in Fort Wayne, Indiana that my investors had already owned. We were remodeling it, putting in new offices and everything for a company that they were backing for me. So I had investors that were really starting to go all in for Glasscott Distribution, which is a company that I was starting, and a distribution company for head shops, bongs, just everything that you could think of in a head shop at the time. And yeah, I just had a break one moment and had a suicide attempt, wound up in the ER after being pretty much unconscious for almost around 24 hours. And that was the beginning of my mental health treatment. I didn't have any mental health treatment really before that and that was the beginning of the VA starting to treat me for suicide.

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[A]

Depression, anxiety and PTSD ultimately, you know, to make a long story short for ptsd, and I didn't know I had PTSD before that got diagnosed and everything. So 2014-16 was in the VA healthcare system. I was on around five different medications I had to get off of, to clean, to detox before I did my ayahuasca ceremonies. But a lot of talk therapy, even had a service dog and none of it was really helping. And it was a conversation with another veteran close to 2016 timeframe that had went down to Peru and I saw just there was something different in the way of who I was talking to and I was recognizing there was something different. So ayahuasca become my passion. I started researching it for next two months or so and all I found was places in South America and it was outside of my budget at the time to go down and do anything like that. So my girlfriend Wife, My wife now, girlfriend at the time, started researching ayahuasca places in the States. And so Soul Quest Church in Orlando come up. They just closed just recently, actually just a few months ago. They closed after being open 10 years, but they had just started. They were like a year into it, so there was like 20 people in the ceremony. She booked a ceremony and she's like, hey, we need to start clearing out for this. We need to stop drinking, we need to stop having, Stop having sex, eating spicy foods, all these things.

[B]

You gotta go vegan, right?

[A]

Pretty much. You know, you can eat a typical. Like a traditional meal down in Amazon would be fish, but no seasoning. So basically boiled fish and rice with no seasoning. So a little seasoning as possible. So we stuck to the diet as much as possible. You know, I didn't realize at time, but I was alcoholic. I was drinking two or three Crown and coke. Mixed drinks like tumblers of like yeti tumblers a night.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

And that would be three, four, sometimes seven nights a week. I would do that. So just getting, going through that process, I realized I was an alcoholic even before, like, you know, the ceremony, you know, because I kind of went through not like vicious alcoholic withdrawals, but there was definitely, you know, physical signs that I didn't even realize. So just getting it cleaned out to go to ayahuasca ceremony. And they say once you set the ceremony, the ceremony starts anyways. Just drinking it is just a small part of the actual ayahuasca ceremony.

[B]

So it's like a full cycle.

[A]

Yeah, well, understanding it now that, like, I do. It's the, the spirit and everything, it's much stronger. It's not contained just in the liquid. It's, it's, it's, it's in the ether. It's around us right now. You know, it's as we're having this conversation just because we're mentioning it. Anyways, back up. Yeah, we did the first ceremony on Friday night. Drank two or three cups and it was just. Hell, I didn't see anything. I was in the bathroom a lot and.

[B]

You throw up, right?

[A]

Yeah, I was just, you know, every. It excretes every place, you know, and I just leave it at that. But it was just a cleansing that first night and I didn't see anything. So the next morning, after that first ceremony. Excuse me. After that first ceremony, they have what they call integration ceremony. Integration circle, about 10:00, 11:00 in the morning. So everyone, you sit in a circle and everyone goes around talking about their Experience.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's like 20 people there going around and everyone's oh, so beautiful. All these different colors. Colors that you can't, you know, even articulate what they look like. They're not from this planet. Aliens. I saw my dead grandmother. All this stuff gets around to me. I was like, I went to the bathroom 15 times and it was, you know, the worst flu ever. And I want my money back because I don't want to be here for the second ceremony.

[B]

Oh, you said that.

[A]

Well, yeah, it was definitely talked about a lot. I talked with the staff and stuff. I didn't want my money back. I just wanted to leave. I didn't want to do the second ceremony. And they talked me and they're like, lots of times, if you're doing two ceremonies back to back, one ceremony is one way and the next ceremony, next night's the other way. They're like, stay around and we're. Make sure you get a good dose, you know, first cup and. Yeah, that second night, Saturday night, I took the first cup. And 20 minutes after that, I felt like I was about to take my last breath. I saw a light coming at me. My very first thought was someone had got in their car. We were at like this. This house outside Orlando, and all our cars are parked in the front and we're like in this big backyard of this. Not a mansion, but it's a big, big property. Anyways, I'm thinking someone got in their car and is driving around the back and just like blasted out of their mind, you know, and just drive around the back and coming at me. And as it gets closer to me, I see it's one light. And the next thought is, I'm so messed up. I didn't know. I walked down the street. Like, there's a mile when we're coming into this place. We went over railroad track tracks. I'm so messed up. I'm sitting on a railroad track. I'm about to get ran over by a train. And as the light hit me, it engulfed me. And it was the light. You know, people talk about, like being engulfed by a light, stuff like that. And I went through, you know, kind of a near death experience, but with psychedelic, you know, not a near death, but that type of experience. Going down the tunnel and seeing pictures of myself pop out. And at that time, I perceived them as past lives. Now I perceived them more as dimensional spaces or frequency points where I'm existing in different dimensional spaces or frequencies or time and spaces. I don't see them as past lives. Past lives kind of adds fact to a linear time frame. And I don't see any through all my time from 2016 till now, I don't see any evidence that there's any. Any linear structure to this universe.

[B]

What about aging?

[A]

I think it's perception. You know, I think it's just our perception in this small moment.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

We're. We're seeing through our senses, through the light fractals, through our cones and our eyes. You know, we only have a couple cones and like butterflies have more cones, so they're seeing different things that are not here. We're seeing and experiencing just a small pinpoint of reality, and we perceive it as the majority or most, and we perceive the spiritual side as a small part of other, but really it's just the exact opposite. What we're experiencing right now in this physical is a small pinpoint of the experience of the whole creation.

[B]

Mm, that's interesting. So you had an out of body experience?

[A]

Several. I've had near death experience in 2019. I'm a Sundancer as well. So a Sundance is a Native American ceremony where you fast for four days without food and water. Usually a sweat lodge in the morning, before, for the day and after. So total eight sweat lodges, four days out, food without food and water, zero.

[B]

So you're super dehydrated.

[A]

Super dehydrated. And by the second or third day, you know, you're. The veil of existence starts to break away. And this is without any Medicaid, you know, this is without anything. So when I say fast, it was food, water, no psychedelics or anything. A lot. A lot of people don't know about Sundance, but it's something I experienced in 2017, 18 and 19. And part of it also is a piercing. So there's a movie out there, it's called A Man Called Horse. So there's a clip in it with where the guy has pierced his skin and there's a rope attached and he's like hanging from the ceiling. That's not exactly what the sun dance I experienced was, but the piercings are like, I have pierced my chest and back and attached a rope to a tree until you danced away and pulled. So this normally happens on day three or four, the later parts of the later days of a Sundance when you're already halfway out anyways and you have. You have visions.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

In that. In that space.

[B]

Sounds intense.

[A]

In 2019, I pushed it too far and I had a near death experience and I had the choice to come back. And I wait. I was able to see how my death or coming back and resurrecting myself or whatever, however you want to put it, how each experience would affect. And I waited out and I. And I saw that coming back. But I made a deal with myself that I would be able to remember that space when of my near death.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

And I didn't know I was dying until I heard someone say someone called 911. He does have a pulse. So I set out. That's when I set up and when I sat out of my body and in that moment of me setting up that millisecond of me setting up like total clarity hit of everything, you know, all the emotion of the pain went away and just overwhelmed with clarity and a lot of love and joy.

[B]

I have heard that about near death experiences. It's actually like a. An enjoyable experience.

[A]

Yeah. I mean what it did for me in the long run. To a long story short, you know, there's, there's. I wrote two books on, on the subject and there's tons of interviews to go that go more in depth about it. But long story short, what it did for me was take away the fear of death. And I realized that we are dictated by the fear of death is one of the main things. Falsehoods of this reality that are not, you know, we're taught in a way especially in the western world. You know, we're. Reincarnation is not really part of a lot of our religious practices here in this. In the western world. But the reality of it is I don't think we ever die. You know, I don't think there's ever a moment that we die.

[B]

That's interesting. Yeah. A lot of people fear death. Even as a kid growing up, I feared it. Now I've accepted it more.

[A]

Yeah, the body dies, obviously the physical body will pass and go back into the process of, you know, fertilizing the earth and eventually be in those chemicals will come back together in a human body once again one day or an animal body or whatever. But the energy. There's two facts that we can agree upon. Energy never dies. It just is transferred from one point to another. That's something we can agree upon as a collective. Another fact is there's energy inside of us because when we dive, we get shocked with the paddles and a spark gets put back into us jump starting us like a car. There's electrical spark in us that Reiki healers use the meridian points that there's. There's proven fact that we have energy coming off of us and we can raise and lower that energy depending on our conscious state. You know, Reiki healers understand that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So those fat. If we put those two facts together, that says we never die. Like our consciousness never dies. Like, I, in my near death, it was like I said, I did not know I was dead until I heard someone say, he does have a Pulse. Someone calling 911. Because there was never anything that signified to me that anything happened. My consciousness, like if you were to close your eyes and I was continued talking, that consciousness Drew was always present, omnipresent all the time.

[B]

Yeah. Why do you think the memories get wiped in between lives? Because I feel like there's a lot of valuable information in every life.

[A]

Well, we're all particles of source here, having an experience. And our mandate here is to have experiences, to expand the consciousness of the whole source. And the most valuable experiences are when we're trying to recover from some event. And it's hard events. Maybe a breakup in relationship, loss of a job, all the way up to, like, mourning. Mourning a coworker, a friend, a family member, a parent or a child. That's where you get into really, really deep lessons in spirituality. Because, you know, you can talk about this stuff. You can talk about spirituality, consciousness all day long. But when you go, when you have. When you're going through it and having to apply those truths and theories to what's happening in your everyday, that's. That's the true test. So mourning, when figuring out how to mourn in a proper way, like celebrating that life and understanding that. That there's a good chance that. That whatever that consciousness is of whatever that passed away, a pet, a family friend, whatever, or a parent, that energy is still there. And you can talk to it with a faith that it's really there. And I think people really need to take faith and it's there.

[B]

Wow, that's deep. So even pets, you think?

[A]

Dogs, cats, I think anything. You know, I had a. I had a horse that just passed a few months ago. His name is Atlas. So he. He passed right after we had Aurora Borealis that was witnessed in Colorado.

[B]

Wow. I didn't know it reached Colorado.

[A]

Yeah. And I got pictures of. Beautiful.

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

Check. Check out my. Check out my Insta. Yeah, it's all on there. But yeah, he passed away. It was like the day after the. It was like the day after the Aurora Borealis. So he was able to see the Aurora Borealis. And a day or two after he passed, the Atlas comet went by. So synchronicities you know, I live by synchronicities all the time too. And there's, it's just a beautiful thing, like. Yeah, the Atlas Comet went by and just all types of stuff.

[B]

Yeah, synchronicities and coincidences people call them. Right?

[A]

Yeah, I don't think there's any. I think coincidence is a man made word to explain something that is wanting to be suppressed. You know, the government, the powers to be, have lied to us about UFOs, they've lied to us about consciousness, they've demonized it, they've, they've pushed money into Hollywood to demonize it, to make it in the woo woo, you know, category, all this stuff. So when people talked about it, they were discredited. But now we're starting to figure out that they were studying it all along in the background. Since the 30s, 40s or maybe even before.

[B]

Right. The CIA was remote viewing very early on.

[A]

I mean we're talking about consciousness and I think like not jump to the end of the conversation, but this, the UFO phenomenon is being suppressed because of our relationship to the pilots and what's in the UFOs. I think obviously spent a lot of time in Native American ceremonies and around a lot of Native American elders. There's always, they've never had a disconnect. They've always known there's been a relationship and they've never not talked about it. Right here in the Western world. It's been disconnected and put in a category that makes anyone talking about it not have any credit. When in reality the relationship that, that relationship, the consciousness ability that we all have inherent in us, every single one of us, you know, bar none, has this ability and it's our choice to unlock it and expand it. They've been messing around with it and they've been messing around with psychedelics, consciousness and it's all one bag. Yeah, the UFO connection, it's all one bag.

[B]

I agree. I had a pilot on yesterday and he flew over South America and talked to Native people in that area and they all said they see that stuff every day, it's normal out there.

[A]

I've had experiences with Grays in Ceremony. I've seen Grays come into Ceremony. They taught me how to heal with my hands. One time it was in a ceremony in Crestone, Colorado. There was three Grays come in. They walked around, they were starting to heal. I telepathically asked them to help to show me how to do that. So they were walking around, guiding my hands, showing me how to push energy out of my hands, basically Reiki heel on a really, really extraordinary level.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

And my. My wife was in that ceremony, too, and at that time, she was having, like, cramps, and she had. From her first child, my stepdaughter. She's 20 now, and she's in Europe, by the way, traveling, having a great time. She's living an amazing life. She just started a trip with her boyfriend for, like, two weeks in Europe.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Anyways, after my wife had her, she could not have children anymore. Like, she was. Like, there was something wrong. Like, it was. She didn't have a hysterectomy or anything, but there was just, like, problems. Yeah, she couldn't have children anymore. But that time during the ceremony, she was having pains and just pains in her abdomen. Like. Like, bad cramps. Over the past couple weeks leading up to the ceremony, I asked the Grays. I was like. I was like, you're showing me how to help everyone else in this ceremony. There's, like, 20 other people in the room. I was like, why don't you show me? Why can't you show me how to help my loved one, my wife? Like, that's, you know, first and foremost, that's who I want to help, you know, like, there's nothing stopping. The response was, there's nothing stopping you from helping your wife. I said, well, show me. And I was tearing up. I was weeping a little bit, and they held my hand. They wiped a tear off my eyelid, and they rubbed it on her navel, around her navel. They said, close your eyes and focus on love. I have two children now that are proof that something happened that day. I don't know what it was, and I don't know. I'm not saying it was that day, but I'm saying what is the truth now. I have a son named Hawk that's about to be three on January 11th. You know, 1 11.

[B]

Baby numerology.

[A]

Yeah. 111. 20, 22. On the way to the hospital, before he was born, me and my wife both simultaneously saw a UFO that was.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

That was following us.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah. And Amber, she's 18 months old. EMBER Ellamina. So Ella mena is to illuminate. So her name is the Ember to illuminate.

[B]

And there's a lot of power in words, as you demonstrated outside. You know, I think people need to take the naming part of their kids seriously.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Words are power. You know, there's a. There's. And there's so much I can say about words and spelling. And stuff, you know, Amen is giving your power to someone else. But the I am is recognizing that the power lies within you, and you don't have to have a third party to connect to the power. And that's ultimately my overall statement. My existence in this world is to bring forth that and help people foster their own connection, their direct connection to whatever they call it Source. I call it Source, Call it God, Buddha, or whatever label you put on it. It's the same vibration. And I think Source is the best representation of that. I think I have on the back of my first book, the first edition of it. I have on the back of a channeling I got from Source. The very first time I kind of recognized and channeled Source. It said, I am the Source of all creation. You are the Creator through the power of manifestation. Step into your power to facilitate the upcoming evolutionary shift. And that was the very first channeling from Source. I channeled Osiris, Jesus, and many things before that. But it was a pinnacle moment in a channeling one time when I was channeling Osiris and I heard Jesus speak. And Drew has always. Back when I channeled a lot, I would do public channelings in Florida and stuff like that, and video channelings and stuff, But Drew would always be present. But his voice and his vocal cords were being used almost by something else, but he was present in the moment. And I was channeling Osiris one time, and I heard Jesus speaking. Drew was in the background, and I said, you sound like the same thing. And that's when Source said, you finally said the magic words. And that's when I started to understand the powers of I am. The I am meditation or mantra with the sun. Meditation in the morning is a very powerful thing that the Vedic Sumerians were talking about. That's been washed away.

[B]

I didn't know that was a thing because I always heard of Amen from praying.

[A]

Amen is giving your power to something else. I am is stepping in, saying, I am the I am, and so is everything around me. The cult leaders, they stop and they don't add on the last part of everything around me, you know.

[B]

Interesting. That's deep, man. Because there's a lot of people that pray and they end it with Amen.

[A]

So that's giving. Yeah, that's giving. You know, that's saying, okay, I kind of need a third party to connect me to something else. The I am and this. You know, people should look into Vedic texts and things like that, the original sun meditation, and learn the powers of sun meditation, look into breathitarians, you know, just do their own studies. This is. I tell people all the time don't listen to what I say as fact. Like do you allow it to spark a Google search, you know, or go to library and start to look up some of these things and find the. Find the truth out for yourself. Because ultimately this is an experiential thing. You know, I can talk about UFOs all day. I had a face to face experience near Chaco Canyon where I saw ET without psychedelics or anything, face to face.

[B]

Was it a gray?

[A]

No, it was a shadow. Oh wow. At first I thought it was a shadow from a street lamp. I was on the back, back deck of a bnb. I was traveling years ago for. Me and my wife were celebrating an anniversary and we went hiking in Chaco Canyon. Before that. I took a drum there and sung a prayer song in, in the canyon after hiking, seeing the petroglyphs, seeing the Fibracci sequence a lot and starting to get like I was almost reading but just by looking at the petroglyphs I was, I was getting messages from each and every petroglyph.

[B]

Downloads, huh?

[A]

Yeah, downloads. And so I sung a prayer song, a Lakota prayer song in that canyon, just kind of thanking the spirits and went back to the BNB that night. Woke up in the middle of the night to a ringing in the ears. At that time I smoked tobacco. I rolled my own tobacco. So I rolled a tobacco up and went outside and went on the back deck and lit it. And as soon as I lit it I just started like that. I was overcome with a vibration that started from within me and permeated out. And it was to the point where it was just like overtaking me. And so it got me to like hack or spit. So I leaned forward to spit over the edge of this deck. And as I leaned forward I seen two feet beside me. So we're in a town and I live out in the middle of nowhere. I have a homestead, we live off grid. So I don't have any street lamps where I'm at and stuff. So I'm not used to that. So my first thought was there's a street lamp behind me. I turn around and look. There's no street lamp or anything. When I turn back around and I see this, the shadow like mirroring me and I look and I was like, I can't, I don't understand why this is a shadow. And about as I'm thinking that its eyes open up and light starts pouring out of its eyes as soon as its eyelids start to break and as it's open up, I see. I start to see, like, galaxies, stars in its eyes. And the best way I can describe it, it pulled my soul out of my body. Maybe it didn't pull my soul, but my. My soul came out of my body and went through its eyes.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

And I started flying through the universe.

[B]

That's insane.

[A]

And I got download after. I got download after download that I'm still processing. And I don't. I couldn't even tell you what. I couldn't even tell you any specifics of what was told to me in that moment.

[B]

That's incredible. And no psychedelics either.

[A]

That's no psychedelics. So I come back into my body, you know, I kind of feel my heels hit the ground. So I felt like I wasn't, like, held in the ground, but I feel like maybe I was levitated a little bit, you know, looking back on it. I look at it, and it still has its eyes open. It's like two bright lights, you know, just blinding white light coming out of it. And I just run inside. Locked the door. I went back into human, right back in Fight or Flight. Locked the door. I wake up my wife, and I was like, you know, you got to wake up. You gotta come look at this. And she's, like, laughing at me. She's. I tell her the whole story. She's, like, had, like, experiences from when since she was a kid with all types of different things. So nothing really, like, surprised her too much. So she's like. She's laughing at me because I locked the door. She's like, you locked the door? Like, that's gonna stop anything, you know, if this is what it is. You know, what you just described, it's gonna go straight through the door, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the kicker of that whole situation was a dream I had about maybe a week or two later where I'm on another planet, and I don't see my body or anything. I just kind of, like, see myself walking. I'm walking around on this other planet, see aliens walking around, and no one's, like, paying me attention. And all of a sudden, I blink and I'm like, on this deck. And I see me walk out and light a cigarette. And at that moment, I realize, like, I'm looking at myself from another perspective. And in that moment, like that, that. That taught me that experience. I went through the whole experience of me walk, seeing Drew walk up, but from the other perspective of the ET or higher Being angelic, Being whatever. Whatever you want to call it. I don't know what it was like. It's something outside of space time, you know, higher dimensional. Higher dimensional. Whatever you want to call. You know, it's something that I can't articulate, but this is what I experienced and it showed me, basically taught me bilocation, how we're bilocated at the same time and multilocated. We're not just bilocated. I think we live in multidimensional time frames. And as our consciousness expands, I think we start to be operational or active in more and more frequencies or different dimensional spaces. As our consciousness expands in this one.

[B]

Yeah. Because I've heard theories that we are aliens, right?

[A]

Absolutely. I think. I absolutely think we are. Because for one, we have stardust. We have. There's. There's like studies that's been found that we have particles of stars or remnants of stars in our physical makeup. Wow. Our eyes are made of. We have crystals in our eyes. You know, our body makes dmt. There's. And the relationship, the starving relationship. The Native Americans have never. If you go to tribes, and not just in North America, South America, you go to tribes in Africa, they all talk about star beings or people from the stars, the shiny craft beings. These are all off planets. They're not talking about them as these are beings coming out. They're talking about the relationship of. They're talking about the ancestral relationship of. If we're talking about quantum entanglement, you know, people tend to put a boundary on that when they start to. When they start to dive into quantum entanglement and how energy all connects. And they think it's only present maybe here on this Earth. Well, it's present everywhere, you know, it's. You know, it's present everywhere in every being.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, it's about frequency of vibration. Tesla had it.

[B]

Tesla had it dead on, and they took them out.

[A]

Story time in Florida a few years ago. I was in between leading ayahuasca ceremonies and me and my wife went over to a friend's house. Not involved in psychedelics, but a friend of ours that lives in Florida, they have a few dogs and they had a new dog they were training with a collar on that had. Every time she pressed a button, it would have a beep.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, I didn't. I wasn't paying any attention, but this dog started jumping on me and she was hitting this button. I was hearing this beep. And then I put it together. I was like, hit that button again. And I heard the beep. So what I'm saying is I was in between ceremonies and doing so many ceremonies around the same time. Because when I lead a ceremony, I also drink basically microdose. You know, I don't take a full on dose that you would take if you were like going in for a ceremony. I take a microdose. But being I had so many ceremonies in that short time frame, I could hear that frequency. So my hearing was tuned up to a wider range of what it normally is. And the same is true with sight, vision, all your senses to include senses that we don't even know about.

[B]

You know, I could see that because there's stories now of people restoring their vision. Poor vision.

[A]

Yeah, I. It's funny, I just had Lasix a few months ago.

[B]

Oh yeah?

[A]

Yeah. And I went from not wearing glasses at all, couldn't see far away too clearly. So I had Lasix to fix that. But now I have to wear glasses for my short vision. So it was a trade off.

[B]

Yeah. I think long vision is more important.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So.

[A]

So I might be looking at stem cells someday if I. Oh, in the eye.

[B]

That sounds painful.

[A]

I don't know. I, I've heard that stem cells, not, not just in the eye, but stem cells like in your body can.

[B]

Oh, the IVs.

[A]

Yeah, the IVs can, can fix. So.

[B]

So I think there's a spiritual component to stem cells. So I'm a little cautious with those.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I think when you're getting stem cells from another human's body, they're transferring spiritual energy as well.

[A]

What do you think about AI do you think, you think there's any spirituality? And I.

[B]

Not yet, but I think one day there could be. Right. All those movies.

[A]

I think there's spirituality in all existence.

[B]

Really? So even I, right now, you think has it.

[A]

Yeah, it was an idea in someone's head at one time.

[B]

Yeah. So an idea. How does that translate to spirituality?

[A]

Well, if we're talking about manifestation, you know, manifestation is real. We've been doing all along, sometimes when we're manifesting, we use more physical, the physical force than the spiritual or energetic force to manifest something. But I asked the spirits one time, I was like, how is everything sacred? Because as I was going through my teachings, I heard elders always say, like, everything is sacred. That don't make any sense. Like, what about the bad stuff? You know, what about guns? What about, you know, the bad stuff that happens to people, babies or whatever, you know? You know, all the bad stuff that happens. But it was all in someone's mind at one time.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It was. It trans. It transferred from a picture of thought into the physical, no matter what it is.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

So that's how everything is sacred.

[B]

Interesting. Yeah. And there's no good and evil. Right? There's no.

[A]

There is.

[B]

There is all subjective.

[A]

The duality ends at the end of our 3D existence when we. And 3D 3D existence is not a physical thing. It's a consciousness frame of reference that we have. So. So 3D is. Is governed by the laws of duality. Good and bad, good and evil. You know, a mirror back and forth, moving past that is, you know, the, the message that comes through in ceremonies through experience. Experiencers that have UFO experiences face to face encounters, abduction, what do they come back and always say? Oh, they're talking about one. They're talking about we gotta prepare for this. We got, you know, we gotta understand oneness, we gotta understand connectedness, all this stuff. That's what the messages keep telling us. So why don't we listen to that?

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, there's a reason why it keeps coming through.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And there. The connectedness. We. When it's not a physical point, you know, we can like I can be in 4D, 5D and still be here in the physical. Just my consciousness having this conversation even I'm probably in 4D or 5D. I'm starting to talk outside of that duality and starting to advocate for the oneness and source energy that we all share.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, that's. That's how when you start to date someone and after a while you start to finish each other's sentences because you're within their aura. Our auras are about three feet out that, that go around us all times. That's. That's our standard aura. That's. That can be. A lot of people agree upon, that can be expanded out or in depending on our conscious state. People that run ceremony or lead ceremony with psychedelics, especially with ayahuasca, understand there's a process you can do to really expand that bubble or perimeter of your own aura to cover the container of the ceremony. And that's what I do and have learned over time. That's part of what I do. When I start to lead a ceremony with ayahuasca or San Pedro or bufo of arias. I lead ceremonies with bufo of arias.5meo dmt as well. So it's very important that I hold that space as well.

[B]

Yeah. Because we all have an energetic field. Right. 10, 10ft out from our bodies, I've.

[A]

Been told it's around 3 to 6ft is the average aura. So our auras are intertwined right now. So when you get into a relationship, especially if you're your partner, you're sleeping together, you're in a car a lot, you know, you're having dinner a lot, your auras are intertwined a lot. And then you start finishing each other's sentences, you know, having, having the same thoughts. And it's, you know, it's romantic, but it's also, there's a scientific reason behind it too that I think is the science moving forward over the next couple years, next 10 years is going to be integrating a lot of energetics, energetic truths and spiritual truths into modern day science.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

There's something, and I'm interested in that I'm, I'm definitely interested in, in seeing the bridge and hopefully, you know, being one of the people advocating for the bridge between science and spirituality because it's all creation and we need to find a way to integrate it. There's. Yeah, the borders are, all borders are self made. You know, I flew here from Colorado is at night, but if I flew during the day, I would look down and I wouldn't see any lines of state borders. Those are man made and those are just ideas.

[B]

Wow. And they teach you that growing up on the map.

[A]

They teach you a lot of things. They also teach you to I pledge allegiance to the flag. And if we know from spiritual practices in the east, mantras are very important. Words are very important. We just saw in the pre interview when we were sitting outside in the green room about how energy is very important.

[B]

Yeah, you had that pendulum exercise.

[A]

So now we know they've been studying consciousness all the way back then. Don't you think that maybe that pledge of allegiance and all the mantras that we have, maybe they're siphoning our energy and tricking us into giving them our manifestation energy to build a cage around ourselves unknowingly.

[B]

Wow, that's deep. Because they make you pledge every day in school. Every single day.

[A]

Yeah. And if you're not, you know, if.

[B]

They'Re not, they punish you.

[A]

Not a patriot.

[B]

Yeah, I remember.

[A]

Look at, this is my. And this is. I have a flag that goes all the way up here.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And I got that right before I, right before I did my first ayahuasca ceremony. It was just being finished up. I think I had one more session. And coming out of my second ayahuasca ceremony, a lot of clarities came. And this Is one of the clarities. I was like, mantras are very important. Words are powerful. That means they have been like all this hit me all at once, dude. It just got thrown in my lap. Of crumbling of the society and the atrocities of consciousness. Using their understanding of consciousness to siphon our energy, man. To make us say these things over and over. Think about it. It's been magnified how billions, trillions of times that that mantra has been said over and over. Especially with the deep heart. That's that recipe right there. A deep heart. And oh man, I'm doing the right thing. Coupled with that oh man, you're talking about a huge manifestation. Energy.

[B]

Yeah. Because they make you put your hand on your heart.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Holy crap, that is crazy to think about. Yeah, yeah. It's like they want to us to live in a 3D mindset. Right. Like intentionally.

[A]

Well, you know, it's a 40 hour workweek, white picket fence just below poverty line. So you have to give money to insurance company or the government, whatever you want to call it, you know, they're basically fronting as an insurance company saying, you give me this money every month, something happens, I'll be there. But we've been shown over and over again, especially over the past couple years, they're not there when shit really hits the fan.

[B]

Yeah. You know, I wouldn't rely on the government.

[A]

That's why people. So I did the podcast Space Radio on Saturday and Sunday night. Every Saturday and Sunday night. Space Radio. Check us out. But a lot of the conversations over there talks around experiencers getting messages to homestead. Be more self sufficient, maybe not be preppers, but maybe it wouldn't be hurt to be prepared a little bit, have a go bag, something like that, you know, not delve off deep into it.

[B]

And no bunker. Yeah.

[A]

Buy a silo in Iowa, in Idaho or something like that. But just, just live a little bit more in balance, you know. And I tell people, even if you live in a city and apartment, you know, you can get a tomato plant, get a couple seeds or, and start a tomato plant and grow tomato plant in your window and eat that tomato or whatever, know, whatever. Eat something that you've grown and you're jumping into a sacred cycle, a sacred ceremony that we've been a part of for thousands, thousands of years since humans first started. Think about it like if everything's a ceremony and even eating is a ceremony, we're feeding ourselves, you know, physically. But there's also an energetic exchange, spiritual exchange. It's sacred because you have to do it to survive. So really it's become a ceremony. And when you add in growing your own food, you can even do this without growing your own food. You pray over your food and you don't have to have any certain prayer. It's just sending an energy of gratitude and thankfulness to that water, food, whatever it is you're taking in. But that can be magnitude if you grow it a little bit. Like I live on a homestead, I'm full on solar. You know, we have two and a half greenhouses, we have outdoor garden, we have chickens, we get eggs from them, we have goats, you know, and my podcast studio that I do my broadcast from is all run off solar. You know, I remind people all the time that's run off solar. And my house, we have everything that you would have in a normal house.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

So I'm here to show that it can be a balance like you. You don't have to live in a cave to be spiritual. The point is a melding of these two worlds. You know, a good friend of mine, Billy Carson, I know he's been on here a lot, his famous book, Woke Don't Mean Broke, I think is a beautiful message because if you truly understand this experience and what we're going through, why wouldn't you manifest yourself in, you know, abundance in all areas? Not overabundance, but abundance in all areas. So I think it's, it's a good message that we need to. This creation is about us making. I believe in soul contracts, you know, and all that. And I definitely wrote a soul contract when I come back from my near death experience and.

[B]

Oh, so you could write them during the life too. Not just before.

[A]

I think especially in certain moments, say near death experience is a moment when you can write, read, rewrite your soul contract. You know, first I. First psychedelic breakthrough, you know, there's, there's usually some type of, some type of choice like that moving forward.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And actually, as I'm saying that, I think we have that choice in every moment, you know, every day when we wake up, we have a right to re. Recite our soul contract. You know, how am I going to be? How's I. How am I going to. It starts off of how am I going to be as a partner, friend, you know, and. And they're on out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because the real work, you know, as I sit here and speak, you know, a lot of people get focused on cleaning up the oceans or doing these massive things to help the environment or. And I know there's a lot of worry out there of what's going on in the world, especially in the United States recently with attacks and, and all that. But the message ultimately is we need to focus on ourselves. The real work starts here in each of us individually. What we're seeing, what we're seeing outside is a perception. Like, you know, I see the beginning of a revolution, not in a negative way, very much the opposite. I see it as a start of a very, very positive revolution. I see it, start of a new age in humanity. We're about to have open contact. I mean, we have drones flying everywhere. That's unchecked. They're flying airports, they're flying over military installations. You know, we have an inauguration coming up. You know, my question has been, I put it out there in public a few times, like, if we're not doing anything about these drones that are flying over New Jersey and other parts of the United States, flying over airports that we know that are federally regulated over airports, like, why are. Why we don't know what they are. Like, the narrative, the public that's been put out by the White House and powers to be has said that they don't know what they are. That's crazy to me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like what? We're about to inaugurate another president on the 20th. You know, no matter your political viewpoint, what if those drones are flying over the inauguration? What is our course of action then? Are we going to. Is there going to be interaction then? Are we going to move the venue? Are we going to go inside? Like. Like, how far is this going to go with the drones before someone tells us what's going on? I don't believe that. They don't know what it is. Yeah, you know, Trump, Trump has alluded to that. They know what it is. They know where they're coming from, whether it be all planet, this planet. But it's very alarming.

[B]

You know, do you think the government's purposely instilling fear when it comes to UAPs, drones and aliens?

[A]

They have all along, so why wouldn't they know?

[B]

That's what I think, too.

[A]

Especially if we're about to have open contact.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. It's hard to believe anything they'd say about aliens.

[A]

But anyone that's had experience, bona fide experiences with ET or seeing crafts, they've had physical experiences that they've had, like ringing ears, vibration, things like that. Like. And there's an awakening that happens. Like, you can never go back and not believe once you've had an experience. So, you know, I've had Visions a while back about we were going to have a mass contact event. Like, there was going to be a lot of ships showing themselves at the same time. Whether this be the beginning of or not, I'm not sure. But I hope it is. You know, I really hope it is. I also was shown, and there's a clip I found I did on the Curious Chimps podcast back in 2019, running up to the election. And they're like, hey, Drew, like, what? Any closing thoughts? I was like, yeah, I'll just share like a dream I had been having recently. I had a dream, and the message in the dream was very clear. It said Trump would be the last president of this current governmental structure. And then 2020 coming in. As we know, he didn't get elected. So I spent like a year, like, questioning myself. I'm like, man, like, I was pretty sure about that even enough to mention it on a live broadcast. You know, it takes a lot of. A lot, a lot of persuading for me to do stuff like that. You know, I've been speaking since 2019 on this stuff and speaking about consciousness and UFOs, you know, it's. It's. It's a tricky business.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, yeah, so coming up close to this last election, it was clear to me the energy. I could feel the energy moving forward and actually bet on Trump winning. You know, made some bets on Polymarket.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Made some bets online. Made a little bit. Nothing to brag about or anything, but it was. I wish I would have trusted my instincts more.

[B]

Yeah. Cause he was underdog at first.

[A]

Yeah. I could have really cashed in. But, yeah, when he got elected, I was like, okay, you know, this is, for me, it set a time frame. Within the next four years, I believe we're going to see a reform in government. Maybe not. Maybe not even a government anymore. You know, maybe we might go to tribalism or something like that.

[B]

I mean, they're already announcing Doge is going to remove 80% of jobs. Right.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, crypto, if you're not in crypto right now, like, what. What are you doing? You know, if you're not in crypto right now, you're not paying attention to the news. Like, why not? You know, people like, oh, I don't want to do that. Sports, their person, this person, that person. Like, the signs are very clear. If you don't have. If you don't have a crypto account right now, like, what the hell are you doing? You know, because the next four years, like, this is your chance to to make money, but.

[B]

So is that the prophecy you're talking about, the Trump prophecy?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, I think he's going to believe. And you can already see the signs. You know, RFK comes in and he. If he delivers on the mandates. I saw you just had Donnie Jr. On recently. I saw that. I listened to that interview as. As I was in the airport and traveling stuff, so I could, you know, get kind of a feel for where you're at in this moment. So, yeah, it's. But to be clear, I'm not political either, you know.

[B]

Yeah, I didn't vote.

[A]

I didn't vote either. I didn't vote because I don't. I don't believe in. I don't believe there's any. I believe it's kind of a show. I don't. I don't believe there's any parties.

[B]

You know, they divide us intentionally.

[A]

Yeah, they divide us intentionally. And I think this is the age of oneness coming up. You know, this is the age of understanding source and our connection to our cosmic brothers, our connection to the sun. You know, there's. There's breath of Terrians out there. There's. There's 200,000 people on this planet that don't eat food or water. They. They eat the sun.

[B]

Holy crap. You know, how long can you do that, though?

[A]

I've heard some people have been alive over 20 years, you know, and it's. I understand it. I'm not saying I'm at that point because I'm definitely indulge in food. I love my food, but I could see how it could work. You could get your consciousness to a state of, okay, this is energy. Because anything we're taking in, if we're eating a hamburger, if we're eating a salad, it still come from the sun. That energy that gets transferred through photosynthesis. I'm not pronouncing it right at all, but that energy that gets transferred through the plant we ingest, and it's washed down energy from the sun. So, you know, talking about morning meditations and with the sun, you know, the first five minutes or so that the sun comes up, they do morning meditations looking directly at the sun. Those first. First couple minutes. Yeah, those first couple minutes. It's not, you can do it. But I found that the mantra that is best suited for that is I am, I am. And that means everything that's in between you and the sun, including the sun and back, is all part of yourself. And you're sitting there with that. With that mantra and with a Couple with the sun, you can start feeling sun coming in. You start to understand how Reiki healers here heal with their hands through their meridian points. You know, that's why people use pendulums and they hold them over their hands like you're. For instance, if I hold a pendulum over my left hand, it would go clockwise. If I hold a pendulum over my right hand, it goes counterclockwise.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So positive and negative body term, positive, negative terminals. If you know anything about electricity or anything. Now, that's the basis behind electrical charges and stuff. That's how Reiki healers work. They. They visualize and understand and feel there's a certain point. Have you ever felt like a tingling in the middle of your hands?

[B]

Especially my fingertips, yeah.

[A]

Have you ever felt like your cell phone's in your pocket? Maybe you had it on vibrate, and you go to find your cell phone, it's not in your pocket. Yeah, that's a Kundalini awakening. That's. That's your. That's energy basically coming out of your. Your root chakra around. Around your anus and everything. And. And it vibrates like I've. And that's how I know when I'm around. I used to. It doesn't really affect me anymore like I used to be when I. Going through the process, it affect me in different places, different people I meet a lot. Now. It doesn't affect me, like, nearly to that degree, but sometimes I feel like basically a cell phone in my pocket, like, vibrating my privates. And to that point, and there'd be no cell phone. It'd just be. I was around someone or around a certain area. You know, I like to visit petroglyph sites and things like that. One thing I found in a set, I've been to around five different sites in the United States. Every single site I've been to, I found a Fibonacci sequence in every single one of them. Holy crap. The ancients were trying to let us know. This is the key to understanding our existence, is understanding the swirl of energy that's around all of us.

[B]

Yeah. Could you explain the sequence for people watching the Fibonacci sequen?

[A]

So the swirl, there's. There's an energetic swirl that engulfs all of us. We all have a merkabah. We all have a merkabah. That's our energetic signature. And that's. That's what we look. That's what everything in existence, manifestation, whether it be in the physical or not even an idea, has a. Has a merkabah around it. That is just the template of it. Once we put an idea into it starts to become whatever we decide on. But that energy, the invisible energy that's around all of us. And before the show, me and Sean sat down and we did exercise with a pendulum. And you can do this at home. You can take. We use a lighter, for instance, and just set the lighter on the ground. You don't have to light it. It has nothing to do with the flame. People get caught, People find rabbit holes to go down when I explain this thing. But just put a lighter just so we can agree upon maybe a Bic lighter or something like that. Put a lighter on the ground, hold a pendulum over it, and think about it in different ways. Maybe the physical way of it, the physical aspects of it, a plastic, a spring in it, butane. And the other way. Maybe it lights sage for you. Maybe it lights tobacco. Maybe if you were stuck out in the wilderness, you light a fire. Like, how important is that lighter then? How sacred is it to you then when it comes to your life, think about it in that way. This exercise is designed to. When you change the way you talk about something, one way or another, the more sacred, more gratitude you send the object. It will activate and kind of move the pendulum around in a circular motion. That circular motion is the fibrashi sequence, the swirl that we see dictated on even in Egypt, all over the world, but even here, the. The United States petroglyph sites had these. All over. Sacred sites all over the world have them. But it's the energy that. That flows the chi, they call it the force. You know, in South America there's different words for it, but it's the energy that's coming from source that we get to dictate. And, you know, it's the putty of existence that we get to meld.

[B]

Yeah, that was a really cool exercise. A lot of power and pendulums.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm going to a. My first time ever, a full Moon sound bowl session next week. I'm really excited.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

Have you ever done one of those?

[A]

Yeah, I've done a lot of. I bet you have done a lot of different things. Uwipi ceremonies. Uwipi Ceremonies is a Native American ceremony without. Without any psychedelics. It's just song.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

People can look up. Black Elk Speaks is a book that talks about the Uwipi ceremony. So I experienced three of those ceremonies.

[B]

Those are on full moons or they're.

[A]

Not on full moons, but they're only songs. So they're about. About 26 different songs that are sung back to back, connected. So they're sun. In groups.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So there'd be like eight. Eight and eight. But the. When you're singing a group of songs, the song from one connects to another, so there's no, like, pause in between, and that vibration will open up different channels. You know, I've experienced Bigfoot in one of these ceremonies, and Bigfoot is very deeply connected to the ceremony. Looking back on it, I didn't know it at the time how deeply Bigfoot was, but, yeah, definitely become a believer in that ceremony.

[B]

That's interesting. Yeah. I've always theorized that Bigfoot is interdimensional, right?

[A]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I don't think it's physical.

[A]

So not delving too far into it, people can do their own research on the Uwipi, but the Uwipi ceremony I was in, I witnessed Bigfoot, and he entered and exited the room. A closed door room, closed windows, doors, locked, curtains on the windows, pitch dark. Just being entered and exited without going through a door or anything. So it's. I totally believe it's interdimensional.

[B]

Was it a friendly presence or.

[A]

Absolutely. Yeah. I think. I don't think there's any. I don't think there's any hierarchy past 3D. I don't think there's any hate past 3D.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I don't. I think I. Because that's the message. If we're one, how can we. How can there be any hate?

[B]

Let me push back on that a little bit, because there have been alien intergalactic wars, though. Right. So I don't know if that stems from hate, but there must be something causing divide in the upper echelons.

[A]

I don't know if it's. I. I don't know. I know I have Ryan Bledsoe.

[B]

He's been on. Or wait, his. His son has been on.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think.

[A]

Is it Ryan or Chris?

[B]

Chris and Ryan.

[A]

Chris is the dad. Ryan's.

[B]

Okay, so Ryan's.

[A]

I listen. I listen to Ryan's podcast.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I agree with him. When people talk about negative ET I don't believe it. How can you. If they're. If they're higher consciousness beings, if ET Is higher consciousness beings and we're at the point when the message keeps getting screamed at us that we're all one, how can there be any. If you're truly embodying the idea of oneness, how can there be any conflict? How can there be any hierarchy? I think it's so far out of the realm of our Existence thus far as humans, that we really can't fathom a world without conflict.

[B]

It'd be hard to fathom as a human. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. But because it's been. It's generational. I mean, you know, it's programmed into.

[B]

Us, programmed into every movie.

[A]

But what. What is evolution? You know, if we're evolving, like, we have to let go of some things to make room for others.

[B]

Yeah. What about like reptilians, the shadow government?

[A]

I believe in that. You know, I believe that there's been, especially with everything that's coming out with what we were just talking about earlier consciousness, UFOs, psychedelics and demonizing it. I think I'm not in the Greer camp, but I definitely agree with a lot of things that he says. And I think that there's a big psyops going on to artificially make an idea that there is outside of ourselves, a higher realm that's controlling us or this, that and the other. I think it's a psyops thing that's run by the government, really. I believe. I believe in Bluebeam. Like I believe, you know, in all these. All these things they talk about, like the. The false alien invasion. I think that's a possibility too. Like we're seeing. And it coincides with the Trump prophecy I was talking about. I think we're seeing the last grip holds of a dying system that has been. Has been the truth was told in 2020 when Covid went out come out. Why was 2020 chosen as that year? Around 1840 something. I forgot the name of the guy. The date was set as 2020 that we start to have clarity.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Because he coined the phrase 2020 vision. So as a collective force, we all agreed that 2020 meant perfect vision clarity, Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All the way up till January 1, 2020, when we had to start writing it down. So unknowingly, the universe put this in that 2020 would be the year that we start to have clarity and perfect vision as a collective. Because as we write it down, we write January 1, 2020 on our checks on typing out an email or whatever, seeing it and not consciously, but subconsciously, you're going clarity and that's going out into the universe.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Magnified by 8.6 trillion, give or take, you know, whatever that is, whatever population is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So manifestation words are power we need. You know, Dr. Emota, I know a lot of listeners will know what I'm talking about, Dr. Emoto, those don't look it up. The secret of water. It'll blow your mind like the studies found out that both positive and negative vibration affects water. What are we made out of? We're 80%, 75, 80% water as human beings. So we can take that truth that Dr. Emoto found with just water, just a glass of water, and apply it to ourselves. That's why music therapy, sound baths, that's why music and vibration is so important in ayahuasca ceremonies. You know, when I sing or play, I play didgeridoo. I play a live flute. I also sing sacred songs in ceremony. There's definitely points in the ceremony where I'm seeing music and I'm writing. I'm painting a picture in my mind's eye, but using music to do it.

[B]

Wow. So you're seeing the actual music.

[A]

Yeah. Ikaros, especially ikaros that you have that are connected to different spirit animals, older ikaros that are, like, connected to the anaconda, things like that. You know, the anaconda will come through, but the. The picture is made by your own voice, your own vibration, and it's. You kind of start channeling it from, you know, a higher source or whatever that is.

[B]

Crazy spirit animals. What's. What's the reason for those? You think?

[A]

Well, it's. It's a spiritual. It's a spiritual language. You know, Native American. Every religion, every spiritual practice has its own language of describing something. It all, if you listen to it, the vibration of it, whether it be Christianity, reading the Bible, reading the Quran, really all of it. You know, Buddhism, Hinduism. If you feel the vibration that's hidden below the words and everything else, it's all source in. In the background. So spirit animals, for Native Americans, like, they. They mean different things. The eagle means different thing. The hawk means a different thing. Owl means a different thing. Like, and it's. It's regional. So depending on what your tribe is like, owl might mean something, a positive thing. A lot of. Try a lot of tribes, if owl shows up, they know someone's about to die within next four days or something.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

You know, if an eagle shows up, they're like, oh, you know, the crater's here. Like, because the eagle flies the highest. The protector of the eagle would normally be like, a hawk. So people that find feathers or have experiences where like a, you know, eagle swoops down while you're driving down the highway or something like that. That means, you know, a spirit animal is reaching out to you. You need to look into that just as if you were seeing, like, 777 or number sequences, you know.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

You will look into what that means. The universe is always speaking to us, you know, and people that has done psychedelics and done ceremonies, you know, they start to see sequences and start to see different points of the universe speaking. Maybe you're behind a car and looking at the license plate and a number sequence or a letter speaks to you about something on that car or the color or whatever. Or maybe it reminds you of a dream that you had. You know, I've had several instances where I've had dreams, repeated dreams, and then they. They manifested in the physical, you know, And I've had several visions that have manifested in the physical. That's. I've seen ayahuasca ceremonies and then that I. You know, I end up having that same experience. So I think, you know, I don't think time is real, you know, I think. I think it's all happening here and now. And I think when we start getting understanding and a higher vibration of it, we start to have experiences showing us proof of that.

[B]

Yeah. Do you think dreams are your higher self communicating with you?

[A]

Higher self would put a hierarchy on it. I just believe it's a different part of yourself. It's maybe a different vibration.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I wouldn't say. I try not to say anything that signifies anything of a hierarchy because that's one thing that's very. That's very put across a lot, you know, when. And especially when I start having all these visions, like I was having downloads visions and asked for signs of, you know, proof of something connecting, like having a dream and just asking for proof, like, show me a sign and signs would come, but. So I've always been a skeptic, and I guess I've asked so many times for it to be proven that now I just. I have a faith that is there, and I see it in everything. I see. I see myself in everything, and I see the universe in everything. And I see. I think we're. We're entering a beautiful era in our existence as human beings.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think we're on the verge of evolution of humanity, you know, I think so too.

[B]

You're hearing it from a lot of different people. Even different, like, cultures and different spiritual beliefs are all kind of saying the same thing, which is interesting.

[A]

Yeah, there's. So there's this collective dream that's had a lot been. They call it the shaman's dream or awakening dream. And a lot of people are coming forward. I had it years ago. There's. There's a series of dreams that people have, and it's a certain Point in a spiritual growth pattern. I've seen. I was talking with my buddy earlier. The spiritual growth pattern is individual, so no one's the same. But there are some type of patterns to it. Sometimes there's a dream that's shared that's told a lot by people, or a series of dreams that's told a lot about people. People seeing floods, people seeing volcanoes, people seeing earthquakes, all these natural occurrences. And also like war, fire, terrorist attacks, things like that, basically mayhem. And I had this dream years ago and seeing it watching the news, like watching the news and seeing two or three different tornadoes on the same screen. Like, I remember having that vision.

[B]

Wow. You know, I had a guest that had a vision of 9, 11 before happened. A channeler.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Yeah. So I could definitely see that.

[A]

You know, I. And we look at it says such important things, you know, but in the grand scheme of things, we don't die. You know, I think our energy lives on forever. I think we keep coming back and doing this and as many times as we want. You know, I think we go and be an animal. And, you know, if we need to work on patience, we take on a life as a rock. You know, we live as a Rock for 10,000 years and we learn patience. You know, I think it's. I don't think it ever stops, man. And knowing that you don't have a 80, 80 year template anymore, you have an eternity to build on your work and purifying yourself, being a better person or whatever, you know, whatever your calling is. You know, I definitely have had a calling and messages, prophetic messages or whatever you want to call it, to be a messenger for humanity, to help them through this time. And one thing was told to me very clear. There would be a point in my time when people would try to deify me, but don't let them, because this is exactly what you're doing. You're here to dismantle all that. So there's no third party.

[B]

Has that happened to you yet?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, there's. I mean, not. Not to the extent where I, you know, people want to start a cult.

[B]

But, you know, just happened to Billy. Billy Carson. You see that?

[A]

No, I didn't see that. I tell you something about Billy. Some. A lot of people talk about Billy. You know, there's been a lot of talk about Billy, but this is what I know. I used to. I had him on my podcast years ago. I used to have dreads.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So a few years ago, I had a show that I started myself. You Know, just from the, you know, did it from the ground up. And it was called Eagle's Nest Podcast. And I met Billy when I was co hosting on another podcast. I invited my podcast, Little Little Small, Little Thing. So he was on there and we, you know, started talking. We realized, you know, we were both on the Bible a lot of things. I asked him about the, the Jesus and Osiris connection, if he thinks it's the same soul. Because I saw similarities between the relationship between Osiris and Isis and Jesus and Mary Magdalene and, and others. So I saw like this, these two soul groups that were meeting in different times. And I asked him about that and he was revived on that. Anyways, this is what I say about Billy. When my son Hawk was born early Billy Carson was one of the very first people to reach out and donate money to me.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And he did it anonymously. He never asked for any recognition or anything. But when people started talking about Billy, like, you know, I know that some of the stuff he may be, you know, may not be believable. Some he may be fact checked. You know, I know that he went. He went through a debate that's hurting him and all this stuff, but that's what I know about Billy Carson personally.

[B]

He's always been good to me, man.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, he did. I sent him my books. He did a video talking about my books. And, you know, I posted a few times on my socials talking about how. How great my books were and stuff. So. I have nothing but love for Billy, man.

[B]

Yeah. Shout out to Billy.

[A]

I really do. Shout out to Billy and Liz. You know, they're. They're doing God's work that way I see it, you know, and doing the work. There's going to be haters, man.

[B]

Oh, yeah, there's.

[A]

There's always going to be haters.

[B]

You need thick skin in this space. I'm getting some hate right now. It's. Yeah. Five years ago would have really got to me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I've developed some thick skin.

[A]

So, yeah, you know, I'm. I put a goal 2024. One of my goals was beyond Shawn Ryan by the end of the show, in the end of 2024. And didn't. Didn't get that one. But my goal for 2025 and I've had dreams about it. I've had like two dreams. I'd be in a. The green room at N. Joe for Joe Rogan.

[B]

Let's go.

[A]

And. Yeah, I'm gonna do it, man.

[B]

You're gonna do it, bro. You're Right there. I'm gonna do it in your network that have been on that show.

[A]

Yeah, it's. It's. I see it. You know, I. But I've always had a problem with patience.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You know, I always want it right now. And if I don't meet a goal, like, even leading up to into last year, like, I'm in contact with Sean Ryan's producer and stuff like that.

[B]

You'll get on that show, too?

[A]

Yeah, I get on eventually, but once.

[B]

You get on one of them, they. Yeah, it's all like a small world, so.

[A]

Yeah. But, man, I appreciate you having me, bro. It's been. It's been a great conversation. Like, it's been super fun.

[B]

I do want to ask one more thing before you wrap up.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

I want to ask about dinosaurs.

[A]

Dinosaurs. I think it's a perception thing. You know, I think there's a dinosaur dragon connection, and I think dinosaurs lived in the time of humans, and I think it's masked by the stories of dragons. So if we. The names are so close, you know, but if we separate them with two different names, then one becomes a mythical creature and one becomes part of history.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But I think dragons were dinosaurs living during human times, and the storyline behind dragons were meant to cover up a truth that the powers to be thought it wasn't right for us to know at the time.

[B]

Wow. You know, so you think they actually existed?

[A]

I think they existed. I think they. I think they exist. I think the. I think there's a lot of truth. There's too many stories for them not to be true. Like, you know, when. When you have a few stories here and there, we can say, okay, that was maybe just an idea or a vision or some type of. Maybe they. Maybe they ate a mushroom or something like that. And it was a small group of people. People. But when it's repeated over and over, like, what we're finding right now, like, there is no conspiracy. Like what. How many conspiracy theories have died and got switched from nonfiction to fiction over the past couple years?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, I think we're going to see a massive uptick in that. I think that's only going to continue on and speed up over the next couple years.

[B]

Oh, it already started. I mean, chemtrails have been proven to be true. 5G has been proven to be true. Almost every conspiracy growing up that I remember has been proven to be true now.

[A]

Yeah, it's crazy, dude. Think about my kids. Like, my younger kids. They're growing up in a whole different. Whole different Idea like I grew up where aliens weren't real for the first part of my life.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, and now I'm. I'm going into a different. Especially from my own experiences. But I, by the way, I didn't have any UFO experiences till after ayahuasca. Like ayahuasca open. Open the vibration and open me up to start having those experiences.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I definitely think it's a vibrational thing with the ETS because I wasn't able to see them or perceive them before 100.

[B]

The blood cells talk about this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Certain people can just summon them out of the air.

[A]

Yeah. And if Ryan or Chris is listening to this, like let's connect like we need to talk.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

I got a few plugs I want to put out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Got, got a project coming up in May. We're going to be doing a C5 in San Luis Valley. There's two meteor impact craters so I'm going to do a C5 from inside a meter impact crater. What's a CE5 close to like the Greer thing. Calling, calling in a. Having a group people and having a shared intention of having a UFO experience. And also I don't know if you heard of Grant Cameron. He's someone. He wouldn't be able to come in person. He's up in Canada and rarely ever travels to the States. But he's UFO expert. Trying to get him down and trying to get this actually a film thing that's. That's based around psychedelic assisted C5 contact events. So having taking small amounts like a microdose, having the whole group take a small amount of psychedelics mushrooms and going into a collective prayer and trying to do a C5 like a Stephen Greer type of thing.

[B]

That's in May.

[A]

Yeah, it's tentatively in May. One thing that's locked down. I will be in Joshua Tree the first week in February. I think it's seventh and eighth, whatever that Friday and Saturday is seventh and eighth timeframe, maybe six. I don't know. I don't have my phone in front of me. But I will be in Joshua Tree. I will be leading two ayahuasca ceremonies and we have a few open seats left. Be a traditional ayahuasca ceremonies and there'd be additional add on ceremonies that can be added on to that. But that will be in Joshua Tree and you're invited too, man.

[B]

Oh, thank you.

[A]

If you want to, if you think it's time to drink ayahuasca, maybe this is your sign. Like come do it.

[B]

All right. We'll put a link below, man. Yeah. To your events.

[A]

Yeah. You can find me at Sacred Journeys. Within is my church. I got a psychedelic church in Colorado. Retreat Center, 501C3. And register with the state in 2020. Sacredjoints within.com and any of the socials you can find me at. Drew Banky. I'm not hard to find.

[B]

Beautiful. We'll link it all below. Thanks for coming on, Drew.

[A]

Yeah, brother.

[B]

Yeah, that was.

[A]

Let's run it back sometime.

[B]

Yeah, we will.

[A]

All right, brother.

[B]

Check them out, guys. Peace.

[A]

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