Vinny Lingham: Why “Healthy” Foods Don’t Work for Everyone | DSH #1724

Summary

Digital Social Hour Ep. #1724 — Vinny Lingham: Why “Healthy” Foods Don’t Work for Everyone

Episode Overview

In this episode, host Sean Kelly sits down with Vinny Lingham—entrepreneur, poker high-roller, and early crypto investor—for a dynamic, no-holds-barred conversation about health, longevity, nutrition myths, the food industry, and Vinny’s adventures in poker and cryptocurrency. The episode is anchored by Vinny’s personal journey: how a “healthy” diet nearly wrecked his health, why he became a carnivore, and how he believes the mainstream food narrative is fundamentally broken. Vinny also dives into his experiences in the crypto world and shares thoughts on risk, investing, and the volatile future.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Biohacking for Longevity

• Omega 3:6 Ratio & Inflammation
  • Vinny discusses aiming for a low omega-6 to omega-3 balance—ideally 1:1, though he maintains about a 3:1 ratio due to traveling.
  • "If you look at a lot of the studies around longevity, people who have very low levels of omega 6s tend to live longer. And be healthier. And so you see this in like Okinawa...one common theme is very, very high three to six ratio. So more threes than sixes. Omega 3s are anti-inflammatory, Omega 6s are inflammatory." (00:00)
  • Credits cutting seed oils and high fructose corn syrup with reducing his HSCRP (inflammation marker) from 3.7 to 1.3.

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2. Poker as a High-Performance Hobby

• Vinny recaps recent success in high roller tournaments at the World Series of Poker, hitting career earnings over $1 million.
  • "I was chip leader at one point in the final table. I screwed it up, you know... But I still, you know, it was a good win, good haul for me." (02:10)
• Discusses poker as a hobby, not a profession:
  • "I'm just a pretty good amateur...for me it's trying to play maybe 12 tournaments a year at the 50k plus stakes level." (03:01)

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3. Crypto: Early Adopter Wisdom & Cautions

• Vinny’s early advocacy for Bitcoin and perspective on how its use-case shifted from global payments to “store of value.”
  • "I think owning a piece of the future, which is crypto, is important. I think most people's biggest mistake...is they get too over their skis and put too much money into it." (05:08)
• Cautions against overexposure:
  • "I've seen four or five [crashes] now...there's probably another one brewing. And so people should be very careful." (06:16)
• Nuanced take on crypto celebrities:
  • "My prediction would be that [Michael Saylor] does more damage to Bitcoin eventually than FTX did. Wow. Are you serious? I think it's a real possibility." (08:28)
• Discusses Solana, Filecoin, and shifting interest toward new tech, filmmaking, and other hobbies.

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4. Health Transformation: Carnivore Diet and Rewriting Nutrition Norms

• Details journey from omnivore to vegetarian/vegan (which hurt his health), then to full carnivore, fixing gut and metabolic issues along the way.
  • "Over 18 months, it was just like, it wasn't great for my health...I got an ulcer...they put me on PPIs...which gave me this thing called SIBO...the more fiber I had, the worse things became because the fiber feeds the bad bacteria...eventually, I went carnivore and kind of fixed pretty much everything." (14:15)
• Surprising heart health benefits and dramatic improvement in arterial health after three years on a heavy meat diet:
  • "Low density plaque came down 90%...in about three years of eating a very heavy meat diet...stenosis in my heart...is actually widening, not narrowing." (16:04)
• Argues most “healthy” official nutrition advice is motivated by profit, not science.
  • "The food pyramid is a total scam...But you know what, people don't have to believe what I'm saying. Just test these things." (18:26, 18:32)

Notable Quote:

“Saturated fat, cholesterol does not cause heart disease. I made a documentary about it...It’s on Amazon, Apple...it’s really about the roots of our health and how we can get off medication.” – Vinny (17:26)

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5. Cutting Seed Oils and Processed Carbs

• Seed oils are demonized as a hidden epidemic in modern health, citing personal stories of inflammation, numbness, and pain when consuming high omega-6 foods.
  • "I started cutting seed oils out...I haven't had a problem since. My arms don't go numb." (26:15)
• Vinny’s challenge to nutritionist Lane Norton: $50,000 wager that 30 days on high seed oil and sugar diet will yield negative health impacts.
  • "We're in for 50k now to Lane...we're actually in the midst of doing a legal contract." (27:08)

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6. Food Industry Critique & Shrinkflation

• Explains how food inflation, supply chain pressures, and retailer demands lead to lower food quality and sneaky ingredient substitutions (e.g., canola for olive oil) over decades.
  • "So that's the game that's been played...for the past 50, 67 years...shrinkflation applied to food." (34:39)
• Advises buying from ranchers or local sources, avoiding mass-produced goods.
  • "All I try and do is educate people. Whole foods. Okay. Like, you can't put fillers in a steak, right?" (36:05)
• "When you buy packaged goods with like 50 different ingredients, you're crazy." (37:33)

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7. Supplements, Testing, and the Individualized Approach

• Vinny’s personal regimen includes 30–40 supplements, tailored to his individual markers through regular testing.
  • “I try not to tell people what to take because you should test your blood and...optimize your health.” (37:59)
• Priority markers: Vitamin D (“should be above 60”), sleep supplements, NAD, glutathione, fatty acids, creatine, and mitochondrial support.
  • "Vitamin D is the most important one I think...if you have to look at one marker." (38:51)
  • "I don't get sick. I take like black seed oil...it's close to 30 to 40 [supplements]." (40:01)

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8. Broad Health Philosophies & Practical Tips

• Focus on anti-inflammatory lifestyle, whole foods, individualized nutrition, and avoiding plastic-packaged foods/water.
  • "If someone said to me, Vinny, what is the most important thing you can do for your health? Number one, in my opinion is cut out seed oils." (18:33)
• Practical considerations for sourcing quality seafood, meat, and eggs; using resources like Seatopia and buying from trusted ranchers. (23:25, 36:38)
• Sees whole-food-based, low-inflammation diets as foundational, not necessarily dogmatic.
  • "I'm not like religious about it...I was in Japan for a week and got some sushi. I was in Italy for a week, had a slice of pizza. But then go back to eating meat." (18:16)
• Warnings against vegan protein powders (heavy metals) and the limitations of plant-based diets without modern supplementation (41:17).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We humans are being farmed. At a very high level, we are being farmed on Earth. We have corporations selling shit to us every single day...unless you take back your health, you're going to become part of the farm.” — Vinny (29:46)
• “Statin usage and dementia...there's a linkage...cholesterol is actually...your brain's made of cholesterol and your body needs it.” (30:22)
• “The game plan: companies acquire organic brands, then slowly sub in cheaper stuff to improve your margins.” (35:29)
• "People should stop buying from supermarkets when it comes to food." (37:33)
• "When I play poker, it’s a whole different game...I take it very seriously." (40:28)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:00] Omega 3s, seed oils, and inflammation
• [02:05] Vinny’s poker tournament performance and mindset
• [05:08] Bitcoin/macro crypto advice for investors
• [08:28] Deep dive: Michael Saylor, Microstrategy, and Bitcoin risk
• [13:46] Vinny’s health/dietary transformation begins
• [14:15] From vegetarian misery to carnivore breakthrough
• [16:03] Carnivore blood work: heart health markers improve
• [17:26] Documentary: "Animal" and challenging the food pyramid
• [18:26] Testing seed oils, processed carbs, and key tips
• [21:28] Fasting protocols and muscle retention
• [23:25] Seafood sourcing, mercury, and microplastics
• [26:15] Seed oil inflammation saga and public $50,000 challenge
• [34:39] How “shrinkflation” and ingredient swapping undermines food quality
• [36:05] Whole foods principle, buying from local ranchers
• [37:59] Supplementation strategy and sleep optimization
• [41:17] Risks of vegan protein, technology, and diet
• [44:32] Purpose and bias-free intent behind the "Animal" documentary

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Final Thoughts

Vinny Lingham’s evidence-driven, contrarian approach to health, investing, and life shines throughout the episode. Whether warning of the dangers of seed oils and the modern food supply, reminiscing about early Bitcoin or high-stakes poker, or explaining why “one-size-fits-all” healthy foods don’t work, the key takeaway is to test, personalize, and take responsibility for your own wellbeing. The episode ends with Vinny urging for real, unbiased conversation and practical change—reminding listeners that we are ultimately responsible for our own health in a system designed to serve corporate interests over individual wellness.

Transcript

[Vinny]

You can get your omega 3 to 6 ratio as low as possible. In an ideal world, 1 to 1. Mine's at 3 right now. I try hard to get down, but you know, it's tough when you're traveling. You have a steak, you know, the animals fed corn. So it's got a high omega 6 ratio. So it's hard to get it down to one to one. But if you look at a lot of the studies around longevity, people who have very low levels of omega 6s tend to live longer. Wow. And be healthier. And so you see this in like Okinawa and all these different parts of the world where kind of like the blue zones area where you have these centenarians. And one common theme is very, very high three to six ratio. So more threes than sixes. Omega 3s are anti inflammatory, Omega 6s are inflammatory. So you want to cut out your diet everywhere. Your body can make some of the sixes, but you get enough laces, you don't need a lot of sixes. And you have too much, you have information. So I took my HSCRP, which is an information marker from 3.7 down to like 1.3, which is really, really good. So I cut out seed oils and I cut out high fructose corn syrup.

[Interviewer]

Okay, guys, got Vinnie here. We're in Vegas. He was here last month, right?

[Vinny]

Yeah, last month.

[Interviewer]

And you're back already?

[Vinny]

Back already. Vegas is a regular hotspot for me.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, well, with your lifestyle, right? With poker and everything.

[Vinny]

Okay. It's, it's, you know, it's. With a lot of the pokers played, for sure.

[Interviewer]

You made a good run in the World Series this year. Congrats.

[Vinny]

Thank you. It was great.

[Interviewer]

Was that your best outing out of any performance?

[Vinny]

Definitely. I mean, so I've, I've relegated myself really to playing the high rollers. I mean, I'll play a little small one here and there. I did, I did the main event. I lost it like two days and I got kind of tired of it.

[Interviewer]

You got bored, right?

[Vinny]

It's a very long event. I mean, it's a seven day stretch. And it's funny, actually the day on day two, which I was right towards the end and I was kind of like just below average, maybe, maybe 20% below average stack. And I was like, I don't really want to go into day three, you know, like kind of struggling to keep up with the average stack. And as the bigs are moving down and I said to myself, okay, let me just make a move. If I, if I You know, if I bust out, I bust out and I'll go play the high road or the next day, which was brilliant sort of as the outcome. Right. Because I wound up coming fifth in the, in the high road next day. So that was a pretty big win for me as well, like in terms of my career.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah. You made a deep. That was 100k, right?

[Vinny]

That was the 50k. So the 50k, I came in fifth place. I was actually chip leader at one point.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Vinny]

In the final table. I screwed it up, you know, and you live, you learn. I never gotten that deep before. So I was trip leader for a while. But I, you know, I lost a couple of hands. Two unlucky, one bad play. But I still, you know, it was a good, it was a good, good win, good haul for me. It got my career earnings over a million dollars now, which is great for, for tournaments.

[Interviewer]

So you're pretty all in on poker these days?

[Vinny]

Like it's my, it's my hobby, so yeah. So I've been taking it up part time for the past three or four years. I've been playing for a long time, but just socially. And then the past year or so. Last year I entered the 50k and I came 13th and I was like, whoa, maybe I can play the game. You know, because I was social as a player. I was a pretty decent social player. So then this year rolled around for the whole series. Like, let me do a couple of these. So I did the 100k and I came in eighth place and I did the 50k and I came in fifth place.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Vinny]

And I was chip lead on both at one point in time.

[Interviewer]

Holy crap.

[Vinny]

In both tournaments? Yeah. So, so now I'm just basically going to start playing a lot more with the high roller. 50k, 100k, 250, 300k buying tournaments. Because look, I'm not a pro. I, I, I, I don't have the time to do this all day long. I'm actually pretty busy guy. And so for me it's trying to play maybe 12 tournaments a year at the, at the sort of 50k plus stakes level. That's enough. I mean that's, that's, it's, it's a lot of fun. It's great. But I don't feel like I'm exhausting myself on poker. So I try and find a balance with what I do.

[Interviewer]

Yes. You like the high buy in games?

[Vinny]

Well, just it's worth my time. Right. So if I go and play for a couple of days and the first prize is, you know, 3, 4, 5, 6, $7 million. It's actually worth your time to, to go there. If you're a pro, though, you're grinding out, you know, all the 10Ks, the 5Ks.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

And you're playing maybe 50, 100 tournaments a year. I'm not in that league. I'm never going to be a pro. I'm just a pretty good amateur.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Yeah. The pro lifestyle is pretty stressful. Right?

[Vinny]

You're on the road the whole time. I mean, I've got my. I got friends to do this. Like, I don't know how they do it.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, you're on the road. You can't really talk to anyone. You're playing all day.

[Vinny]

Absolutely. It's, it's, it's. Yeah, you see it quietly for, like, it's, it's fun in short spurts. I couldn't do it every single day.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

I mean, the amount of focus you have to put on and, and just disconnect from the real world. Like, for me, I just, I take a week to go play poker and my inbox is like a thousand emails deep. And, you know, all my business associates are calling me and pinging me and, like, I would jump on calls. I can't take a lot of the time out of my, out of my lifestyle to go do it. But I love the game. I absolutely love the game. So I'm just going to play the high road.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. So when I was prepping for this episode, if you search your name on YouTube, the first video that comes up is your TedX talk from nine years ago talking about buying Bitcoin.

[Vinny]

Yeah. 2014 in. I think it's 2024 to 1520.

[Interviewer]

It was nine years ago, so whatever.

[Vinny]

I think it was the end of 2015 actually.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

So it's just nearly 10 years. That was in Cape Town. That's where I told everyone in case there was an audience of thousands of people that told me to buy bitcoin at like, I don't know, I think it was like 100 bucks or 200 bucks or something.

[Interviewer]

Hopefully they listened.

[Vinny]

A lot of people didn't. I saw people thanking me today for their retirement.

[Interviewer]

Wow, that's incredible. So you had the foresight back then?

[Vinny]

Well, yeah, I was in early, so I was in Bitcoin in 2013. And, you know, the bitcoin's changed over the years, to be fair. So a lot of the ideals around bitcoin in the beginning kind of changed. And I got into it because I saw it as a better way of making global payments. Yeah, now it's, it's got the whole store of value narrative. You know, I think the departure of bitcoin from the white paper has been good and bad. It's now it's seen as a store of value. So there's a lot of buy in from institutions and governments and everyone's trying to make this what it is. But there are scaling restrictions with bitcoin so you can use it for a certain use case and so there are other cryptos out there. But I was good to get good. It was good for me to get into bitcoin early, understand the tech and then, and then go and figure out where things are going to go as the community decided to go in a different direction with bitcoin. But I think owning a piece of the future, which is crypto, is important. I think most people biggest mistake they make is they get too over their skis and put too much money into it. And I just don't. My advice for everyone is like, hey, depending on where you get in, could be early, could be late, manage your exposure. Just remember it's an investment like anything else and you would do yourself a big disservice if you just went all in. And I've seen it happen many times. Lots of people, they lose it. The crashes are always going to come. I don't think we're through the bubble bust cycles in crypto. I've seen four or five of them now and there's probably another one brewing. And so people should be very careful.

[Interviewer]

Even today I think there was like a 5, 10% dip.

[Vinny]

Yeah, yeah. It's very volatile. But it's okay. If you've got like 5% of your net worth, 10% even, and you kind of just leave it and you see where it goes, that's fine. But, but I know people have got like 100% of the net worth of crypto and they're like, yeah, you know, you can go up and go down, but you know, when it goes down 60, 70, 80% depending what crypto and maybe even 90%, it's pretty painful.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

And I've seen that happen to a lot of people saying it's bad.

[Interviewer]

I'd imagine Michael Saylor's close to 100%.

[Vinny]

Yeah, he's definitely up in 90s because.

[Interviewer]

You need some to like buy everyday things, but you still need to live. Yeah, but that dude might go down as the goat of investing if it all plays out the way he thinks.

[Vinny]

Oh, exact opposite. It could be, you know, he could bring down Bitcoin to some extent. He could actually cause an unraveling.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Well, now with institutional money, I don't think that would ever happen. Right.

[Vinny]

I'll challenge you on that.

[Interviewer]

Really?

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

You think it could actually crash?

[Vinny]

Yeah. Because what's happening with MicroStrategy is he has to keep issuing these new types of convertibles in order to pay people from the previous convertibles he's issued because he doesn't want to sell the bitcoin. So it's kind of like it looks a bit pyramid right now. And. But, you know, the issue I've got with it is he has a single class of MicroStrategy shares and he's got all these layers on top of it that. So you're. If you own mstr, you're the back of the queue. And so what we're seeing now is as bitcoins are moving up, you know, MSTRs aren't moving up. So you've got this like, okay, well, why. It's supposed to be a higher beta version of Bitcoin, but it's not performing as such. And so there comes a time where he can't fund the purchases of More Bitcoin selling MicroStrategy common stock because there's just too much preference behind it. So I. I've tweeted about this publicly. I've. I've said that, you know, be careful of Microstrategy. And I think that my prediction would be that he does more damage to Bitcoin eventually than FTX did. Wow. Are you serious? I think it's a real possibility.

[Interviewer]

So if it goes below a certain price or.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

What price do you know?

[Vinny]

I think they published. I think it was 50k.

[Interviewer]

50K.

[Vinny]

I think they said 50k. I said they. The company strategy. I think if bitcoin ever dropped down to like, 30k again, 20k, it's possible. Wow. Things could unravel pretty quickly.

[Interviewer]

Wow. Because FTX messed up the market for like a year or two. Right.

[Vinny]

And so I said this last year. I think strategy and Saylor probably disagree. They think that it'll keep going up forever. And he's even said this publicly. The difference in Michael Saylor myself is that I got into Bitcoin in 2013. He only got in at, like, 2019. So I'm like Gandalf and he's like Hobbit in crypto years. And, you know, like, the way he thinks about things is. I understand where he's coming from. Like, I've been there, but I was There years ago. Yeah, you know, so I've seen a lot since.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, you've been in part of a lot of early coin launches. Solana, filecore, Render. Yeah, you've seen a lot.

[Vinny]

I was the, you know, I was early seed investor in Solana and, and I was actually the first investor in filecoin.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Vinny]

I've been around for a long time in crypto.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. That's impressive, man. Do you see any new coins or do you think it's too late to start a new coin and get to the billion dollar mark?

[Vinny]

Cap, there's lots of new coins out there. I've. I've kind of like de risked myself from crypto, so I don't actually have a lot of direct crypto exposure. I've got money and funds and whatever else and they manage it. But like, in terms of like personal crypto holdings, minimal these days. Directly I got the exposure, but I don't because I just, you know, I've been in for so long and I've written it up, I just have interest in other things. I'm making movies, I'm, you know, learning how to, you know, fly a plane and playing poker. Professionally or. Professionally. So my interests have just changed over time. I mean, I spent a long time and I kind of moved on. So I'm still somewhat in crypto. I am looking at like, interesting things in crypto like dats and those sorts of things, but the underlying tech and the underlying blockchain stuff, I think there's a lot of people doing a lot of great things and it's hard to keep up with everyone. And I don't think I have an edge there anymore. I had an edge 12 years ago. I had some deep insights into bitcoin and crypto over the past decade, but I think that unless you're fully dedicated to being in crypto every single day, you don't really have an edge.

[Interviewer]

Good point.

[Vinny]

So when you're investing in crypto, it's really hard to make money if you don't have an edge. And so I rather go in back. Funds that are doing crypto with guys are working in the industry every single day, all their time. They're trying to pick winners. Myself, I don't know whether, you know, xyz Coin and other coins and be a winner, but when it comes to the older coins like Solana and Filecoin and Render, I'm. I got in early, I understood those coins, so I'm very supportive of them doing what they're doing. But any new coins come along I just don't have the mental capacity and bandwidth to go and really relearn a whole new architecture and whatever else.

[Interviewer]

Well done on Solana, man. Man, that one's top five now, right?

[Vinny]

That was great. Yeah, I, I had a, it was a good, it was a good one because that was kind of the interesting depart point of departure with Bitcoin. So I kind of fell out of love with Bitcoin in 2017 because of skating limitations from the community and a bunch of things. And I was fine like whatever people can, you know, communities can go in a direction they want. Then I met an Anatolian Raj from Solana and love the guys first of all, really, really great guys and they were out raising their first round and I was in San Francisco, my office was there. So met with them and got to know them very well, became an advisor to them. Used to have lots of lunches. I should go help promote Solana to people. And I got some of my friends into it and obviously I led around for multicoin capital. I was a general partner in Multicoin. So I led the Solana around there and got people to know what Solana was about and how, how it was planning to scale and get to thousands and thousands of transactions per second. Remember Bitcoin has seven transactions per second. Lightning network is supposed to make it better, but that's been in promise for 10 years. We haven't gotten there. So guess what? It moved to Solana. It kind of went via Ethereum. Everyone thought Ethereum was the next big scaling solution at 21 tps and then they couldn't scale that so they went layer two and layer two is not working. It's kind of failing in my opinion. But Solana's layer one all on chain, highly composable. And so yeah, been an early backend supporter Solana and it's been a great run.

[Interviewer]

That'd be nuts if Solana flipped Ethereum, right?

[Vinny]

I think it eventually will. Wow. Yeah. Because the problem with layer twos and Ethereum is that when a layer two gets to set number of scale, you know, question, I mean this has been asked. I think some guys have tried to do it and I don't spend too much time in Ethereum ecosystem is there's why they on why they're on Ethereum. Just go and launch your own chain and migrate people across. So then what's the point of the long term path on Ethereum if you just leave? And the second thing is when you suck the fees out of the layer one, basically it's kind of vampiric. Right. You're sucking fees that should go to the layer one security, whatever else into a layer two coin. So I just bifurcates value. I just don't see how this works long term. And look, there'll always be a group of people who want to support it and keep doing it, and that's fine. But. But I think long term, a lot of the applications for what we see today are going to go towards where Solana is right now.

[Interviewer]

That'd be great. I hold quite a few. So let's see that happen. Let's move on to health. Yeah, yeah. You've had quite the health journey. Right now you're on a carnivore diet, right?

[Vinny]

Yeah. So I'd say largely carnivore. I've gone from eating, you know, an omnivore diet. Well, let me. I'll backtrack it. When I first moved to the US 2008, so I'm South African born, I got here and I started eating like, you know, the usual American diet, high fructose corn syrup and all this other junk and processed foods and. And then eventually I went vegan or vegetarian, actually, I'd say in San Francisco because I was like immersed in the whole vegetarian community there.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

And over 18 months, it was just like, it was. It wasn't great for my health. And then I kind of went back to a little bit of. A little bit of like vegetarian, sometimes once, twice a week, and then any meat here and there because I was scared of like, you know, saturated fats and cholesterol and heart disease and all these things that you get told. And then I wound up going through like a. A major life incident in 2018 when my mom passed away and I got an ulcer and they put me on like, proton pump inhibitors, PPIs, which killed my stomach acid, which then gave me like this thing called sibo, where sibo, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth stuff. And I just had a whole bunch of gut issues that I had to deal with. And then what I found. What I found was that the more fiber I had, the worse things became because the fiber feeds the. The bad bacteria. So then eventually, long story short, I went carnival and kind of fixed pretty much everything.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Vinny]

Yeah. But then I was worried about the heart situation. Right. So. So I've been largely carnival the past four years and pretty much all my health markers cleared up except cholesterol doubled, you know, and everyone goes, well, that's really bad for you. So I had a heart scan done in 2021, that showed zero clock, sorry, zero calcium, but reasonable level, minimal level of low density plaque, which is kind of very bad for your, for your heart. And so after going carnivore, like, my friends are worried about me. Like, I'm having like, you know, steaks and, and tomahawks and, you know, a little bit of red wine here and there. Maybe I add some fruits in once in a while, some berries or some yogurt, but mainly meat all the time. And so one of my close friends was like, you got to check your heart out. What's going to happen? So I got my results back this week and the low density plaque came down 90%.

[Interviewer]

Holy crap.

[Vinny]

So in about three years of eating a very heavy meat diet, and this is like butter tallow, very ketogenic style diet with high saturated fats, I'm like, okay, well, how do you explain this? And then like, you know, the stenosis in my, in my heart, the, you know, the arteries and stuff is actually widening, not narrowing.

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[Vinny]

You know, by the way, if you go into the carnival community, this is a common theme that they're hearing from a lot of the people who are on carnival and a lot of the carnival doctors and the, the heart guys, the heart surgeons out there, they're, they're saying this is true. Like saturated fat, cholesterol does not cause heart disease. So I made a documentary about it, made a documentary about the carnival diet. It's called Animal. It's on Amazon, Apple and you know, it's really about the, the roots of, of our health and how we can, you know, get off medication. Like I'm on no medication, no statins, I take none of that crap. And I'm, you know, I never get sick. So I, you know, I'm lifting pretty heavy weights right now. Bit of a bulk up phase. I'm just like trying to put on as much muscle as possible and, but I just eat tons of meat and you know, I'm not like religious about it. I was in Japan for the summer for a week and get some sushi. You know, I was in Italy for a week, had a slice of pizza. But then go back to eating meat.

[Interviewer]

Yes.

[Vinny]

But afterwards. So I just think that we've been lied to about a lot, aren't they? And then the food pyramid is a total.

[Interviewer]

Oh yeah, that's a scam.

[Vinny]

It's a scam. It's total scam. But you know what, people don't have to believe what I'm saying. Just test these things. Like you should just, you know, like I do a lot of biohacking and testing. I test things and what I find is that the most important. If someone said to me, vinny, what is the most important thing you can do for your health? Number one, in my opinion is cut out seed oils. Like everywhere. You can get your omega 3 to 6 ratio as low as possible. In other words, like you want to have in an ideal world, one to one. Okay. Mine's at three right now. And I'm, I try hard to get down, but you know, it's tough when you're traveling. You have a steak, the steaks, the, you know, the animals fed corn. So it's got a high omega 6 ratio. So it's hard to get it down to 1 to 1. But if you look at a lot of the studies around longevity, people who have very low levels of omega 6s tend to live longer.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Vinny]

And be healthier. And so you see this in like Okinawa and you know, all these different parts of the world where, where, you know, the kind of like the blue zones area where you have these centenarians. And one common theme is very, very high 3 to 6 ratio. So more threes and sixes.

[Interviewer]

More threes.

[Vinny]

Omega 3s are anti inflammatory. Omega sixes are inflammatory. So you want to cut out your diet. Everywhere cut it out. Your body can make some of the sixes, but you get enough in enough places. You don't need a lot of sixes. But. And you have too much, you have information So I took my HSCRP, which is an inflammation marker from 3.7 down to like 1.3, which is really, really good. And, and that's. So I cut out seed oils and I cut out high fructose corn syrup and honestly all refined sugars. If you want to have some sugar, have some raw honey, maybe have some fruit, but avoid sugars. Now look, if you, if you're in Italy and you want to have some gelato ones, that's fine. Okay? Like I'm not, I'm saying out of your regular diet and I actually think it's not the worst thing if you're in a, if you're metabolically healthy to just try things here and there, as long as you aren't triggered by it.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Vinny]

But for the most part, I think people eat way too much processed carbohydrates. If you want bread, have sourdough and don't get the sourdough that's mass manufactured. Get a starter. Either make your own or find someone. There's lots of local sourdough guys that, yeah, they don't use yeast and they use a nice good starter and whatever else. So get started if you can get iron corn, iron corn, sourdough, you know, but again, still have to control your carbs. Like my target carbs per day is no more than 50 grams a day. So for them, so some days I'm at zero. It's just like steak eggs, steak eggs, that's it. But then if I want, you know, if I want to have some berries, I'll throw in some berries. Maybe I'll go up to 20 grams for the day or 15 grams for the day. We'll take some yogurt in or something. But yeah, so, so, so, but like this is all about, this is all about, you know, your, your internal workings of your body. How do you keep information low and how do you keep, how do you keep your cells healthy? How do you keep your mitochondria functioning well? And then some people can, you know, throw in intermittent fasting as well.

[Interviewer]

Do you do that once a week or.

[Vinny]

Yeah, I do it every day, actually. I try and I try and do like 16 hours a day, but it's normally between 13 to 16 hours. Okay. Because like sometimes I have a business meeting or breakfast meeting or whatever else. I'll just have a bacon eggs or whatever.

[Interviewer]

And do you do three day fast ever?

[Vinny]

You know, I, I think I'm gonna stop. I've done a 44 hour fast and I've done, I've looked At a lot of the literature and most of them, most of it says 48 hours kind of is the max. You should go if you, if you want to maintain muscle. Because I'm trying to actually increase muscle, get older. 36 hours looks like the most optimistic. Okay, so if you can do a 36 hour fast that you get most, you get 95% of the benefits.

[Interviewer]

Oh really?

[Vinny]

It's, it's pretty high. 95.

[Interviewer]

That's good to know.

[Vinny]

Now again, if you're healthy, if you're, if there's something wrong and you're sick and you need to clear out something in your body and you need to do like a couple of day water fast, supervised, go do these things right. My advice is for people who are generally healthy, metabolically fit. My, my blood sugars like in the 80s. My instant response is really excellent. My C peptides are low. My blood pressure is 112 over 78.

[Interviewer]

Damn.

[Vinny]

You know, like I'm 46 years old.

[Interviewer]

Well done. What's your resting heart rate?

[Vinny]

My overnight sleeping heart is like 57. Wow.

[Interviewer]

Pretty good.

[Vinny]

Yeah. So it's not, it's not bad. I mean I, I'm, I'm not as fit as I used to be, but it's still, again, I focus on inflammation, I focus on eating whole, whole foods, healthy foods. I actually, for all the meat I get at home, it's all grass fed, regeneratively raised cattle. Now when I eat out, I can't control that, but I can control the. You can always control the food in your house.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Vinny]

And even if something like sardines or canned fish, you got to be getting the fish, you got to make sure it's tested for arsenic, mercury. I use websites like consumerlab.com there's lots of places that test these things. I invested in a company called Seatopia. Seatopia Fish. I get all my fish from Seatopia. I actually was a customer before I invested in the company.

[Interviewer]

Seatopia I haven't heard of.

[Vinny]

So actually Seatopia is amazing because what they do is they test the fish for mercury, microplastics, they feed the fish algae and kelp and basically natural diet. When you go to a supermarket and you buy fish there, that fish is being fed corn. Where in God's blue ocean do we find corn growing fish? Nowhere. Right? And they feed trimmings to the fish. It's got like tuna in it and mercury. So I stay away from any big fish like tuna. I mean I have a little bit here and there religious about it, but I don't do like, you know, swordfish steaks.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

I don't eat that crap. So I, I try and go very low mercury and low heavy metals, but I try and buy all my fish or get my scallops and stuff from Seopia because it's tested for mercury.

[Interviewer]

Wow, that's a good sight to know because I actually stopped eating seafood because I'm so scared of all those.

[Vinny]

I'm exactly the same. So.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, I used to love sushi.

[Vinny]

Yeah, I avoid, I avoid it. I mean, again, I make exceptions, but for the most part I avoid it. But at home, the salmon, the yellow tail. I know. At least I trust the sauce.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah. Because I say never to eat farm raised. Right.

[Vinny]

Well, I was in that camp, by the way. I would not touch farm raised. And then I came across Utopia. I'm like, wait, this is farm raised? But they test it and they make sure for me it's like more important that they feed the fish what it's supposed to be eating. And the omega 3s in that fish is high. So when you feed corn meal to fish, the omega 6s go up. So now you're having fish with healthy fats. That's actually inflammatory.

[Interviewer]

Wow, that's nuts. Yeah. Because they say inflammation is the root cause of all disease, right?

[Vinny]

I believe it is. I believe it, it's. I believe it causes. I'm not, I'm not a doctor, but I believe it causes a lot of the ailments we have today.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. I mean when you study every single disease, that's the similarity, it's the inflammation.

[Vinny]

And, and from my own personal experience. Yeah. Cutting. So I, I used to get very weird situation. I, I used to get like. My arms used to go numb.

[Interviewer]

Jeez.

[Vinny]

At night when I'm sleeping, I wake up. Middle of the night, I gotta like tap my arm and wake it up. And I couldn't figure out what it was. And there were two incidents in particular that made me think maybe it's linked to my food. The one night I had actually had fried chicken. There's a place in San Diego called Crack Shack. Best fried chicken. I had fried chicken. And the next morning I woke up and I was like, what is going on? And then I was like, I didn't think too much about it. And then, because I had it a couple of times. And then I went and had a big steak in Newport beach somewhere. But it was like, it was a grain fed steak, pretty fatty. Okay. This is before I was gone to one. And then when I Woke up, same thing. Maybe it's the. Maybe it's like something in the food. And I started researching and realizing, wait, this stuff is high in omega 6s. Both the, the fried chicken fried in canola oil and the steak is high omega 6s because it's corn fed. And then I started realizing going down, there's a whole rabbit hole of seed oils, by the way. There's a huge rabbit hole. I actually did a, a video about it, but I became really aware of the seed oil problem.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

And so, you know, using seed oil, scout and those sorts of things. And then I realized that this is crazy. I started cutting seed oils out. So that's how I got my information down. I haven't had a problem since. My arms don't go down. And I probably had it, you know, not more, not twice, like dozens of times. And only when I cut out seed oils did it go away.

[Interviewer]

And you just challenged Lane Norton about seed oils, right?

[Vinny]

I did. So. So here's the thing about Leon Norton. He's metabolically fit and healthy, so he's not going to have any particular ailments. And he's probably eating a diet that's very high in protein, very low in fat, some carbohydrates, so he's not seeing the impacts of it, but he's very quick to mouth off about it.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Vinny]

And. And I said, you know what? I'm just going to throw some money at you. So I threw in like, hey, I'll put 25 grand up if you take, if you just eat badly for a month, you know, and we went back and forth bantering on Exabyte. Brent Kenny is another poker player. He jumped in because he agrees with me. He says he'll double it.

[Interviewer]

So.

[Vinny]

So we're in for 50k now to lane, and we're actually in the midst of doing a legal contract around this, but we're donating the 50k to charity. So, you know, I'm fine with it. And whether, you know, if he quits within. Before 30 days is up, I'll still donate his charity as long as he, he admits that he quit because he, you know.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. So is it a blood test 30 days before?

[Vinny]

Yeah, it's a blood test 30 days before. And then he's going to do. He's going to eat, I think it was like 70 grams of sugar or 80 grams, like 78 grams of sugar and 80 grams of seed oils per day. He has to heat it up to 350 degrees to make sure it oxidizes.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Vinny]

And he has to have that every single day for 30 days. And he doesn't do this today. The fact that we're having this conversation and we're trying to, like, figure out what foods he can do and whatever else, he doesn't do this right now. And that's a standard American diet. So I want someone who's really healthy and fit and, you know, he's obviously a pro athlete, and he's, you know, he's got a nutritional background, but I want him to expose himself to what high fructose corn syrup and seed oils combined per day will do for 30 days.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

Because I know if I have one Coke, I feel like. I feel like this is horrible. Right? And if I have, like, seed oils in. In that quantity, I know what happens to my arm. So I'm like, okay, maybe he's immune to it. But I think hammering him for 30 days, I think he'll call uncle. But maybe I'm wrong.

[Interviewer]

We'll see.

[Vinny]

Worst case, you know, it's a good experiment. I'm happy to donate the money to science.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, we'll see. Usually he's the one calling out people, so I love to see him.

[Vinny]

You know, people can have a big mouth, and I'm always happy to put money behind my big mouth. So.

[Interviewer]

We'Ll see, man. But yeah, the seed oil stuff, it's nuts because it's even in olive oil now. Like, when you go to buy olive oil at the store, olive oil is.

[Vinny]

The worst because they got olive oil blend, and you don't realize they're blending it with seed oils.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

So the olive oil I get is from a farm in Napa, which I trust. I'm a member of the farm, but I don't, you know, unless it says extra virgin olive oil and it's actually legitimately olive oil, you can't trust it. And I'm hearing that a lot of some of the oil from Italy is being cut already as well. They just don't disclose it.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Vinny]

So, you know, this is why, like, for me, it's like, ghee is great to cook with. There's some really good providers of ghee and tallow and stuff like that. Like, there's nothing wrong. Saturated fat does not cause heart disease. Cholesterol doesn't cause heart disease. It's the inflammation, it's the sugars. It's the combination of that. And so people are scared of using, like, even basic butter. And I think, like, we've done use butter for centuries, and we haven't had heart disease. Problems.

[Interviewer]

They've demonized butter, salt. It's crazy. Milk.

[Vinny]

We cover all this in the documentary. Like, I did research. We had 20 something doctors on the show. You know, it's. It's very clear that what we've been told about our healthcare is just fabricated.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

We humans are being farmed. Okay. If you think about it like at a very high level, we are being farmed on Earth. We have corporations selling shit to us every single day. And so whether it's a vaccine or it's food, bad food, good food, we're just, we're just sources of income for big companies. Unless you take back your health, you're going to become part of the farm.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. What was the most shocking discovery when you were filming the documentary?

[Vinny]

Most shocking was. There were so many things. It was like, it was, it was mind blowing.

[Interviewer]

You can name a few. It doesn't have to be one.

[Vinny]

Yeah. No. I just think that digging into the saturated fat myth was one. Yeah. Where I started speaking to, like, you know, some of the doctors didn't actually make it on because of scheduling, but some of the doctors spoke to me about the heart surgeons. They were like, vinny, this is cholesterol. Things are like these. Oh, actually, you know what the most shocking thing is? How statins drop your cholesterol. And actually there's a linkage between statin usage and dementia. Now this is coming up. And so. But. Because what we'll be finding is that cholesterol is actually. I mean, your brain's made of cholesterol and your body needs it. So when we start suppressing it, people's health fails. And so I'm actively getting my dad off cholesterol meds right now. My cholesterol doubled. My heart health improved, I don't think. And when it's doubled, it's still like 220 or something. It's not terrible.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

But 50 years ago, 300 was the, was like the average, the normal. So now we're not. So we've been. In order to sell cholesterol drugs, we've been educated that we have to get our cholesterol lower and lower and lower and lower than it was 50, 60 years ago where people were much healthier.

[Interviewer]

That's weird.

[Vinny]

Something doesn't add up.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, that's super weird.

[Vinny]

And you don't get. You, you, you, like, cholesterol isn't a problem. I don't believe. I think high cholesterol, sure. If you're getting like 607, 800, maybe your body's producing too Much. But your body produces the cholesterol. A lot of the cholesterol you get in your bloodstream isn't from your diet. It's from your body producing it. So it needs it.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

And that. And again, this is. I'm not a doctor. All I can tell you is that I'm speaking to some really smart doctors and they're agreeing with each other. And the drug companies make a lot of money by pushing cholesterol down our throats.

[Interviewer]

How's the food system in South Africa? Is it compromised like America?

[Vinny]

It's becoming compromised. And because. So you. The thing about food is this. And people need to appreciate what happens in every food system. When we're looking at governments and we're looking at countries around the world, and we're looking at the problem we have in the world today with, with. When it comes to, you know, inflation, governments are overspending our money, running up debt more and more. Whether it's. Whether it's United States, South Africa, any country in the world. Most countries are running up debt. And so how do governments manage their debt? Well, they have to borrow. How do they borrow? They use bonds. And when they issue bonds, they have to pay the money back at some point. But investors buy the bonds based upon a number of things that's happening in the economy, and inflation is one of them. So if inflation is running high, they get a worse price than their bonds because they're printing more money, et cetera, et cetera. So what do governments do? They try to control inflation, and they put pressure on supply chains and they put pressure on retailers. And retailers do this just without the government saying it. They have to keep prices low. So what happens when your favorite food that you eat every week is going. Has to go up in 20% in price, and the supply goes to the big box retailer or the big food supplier retailer and say, hey, we want to increase prices 20%. They go, no, you can't. You cannot. We'll take you off. We'll put some cheaper stuff from China or wherever on the shelf. So you figure out how to make the numbers work. Well, these companies can't just magically make the prices go down. If labor is going up, cost of inputs are going up, what do they do? Well, substitutes. So then instead of using, you know, for example, olive oil in their product, they're going to sub it out for canola. Okay, well, we've kept the price steady at five bucks a unit. Don't worry, there's no 20% increase. We will keep it low. But They've basically taken out the good stuff and they put cheap stuff in it. So now you might think, well, one or two goods doesn't make a difference. But take the compound effect of making processed foods over the past 50 and 60 years and governments creating inflation, printing money and retailers putting pressure on suppliers. So a lot of the small suppliers had no choice. And even the big ones, the big producers, they had to go and cut costs. And they cut costs by cutting quality of food. Food. So the more ingredients in your food, because think about it, if they add some random ingredient, even something like cellulose to the product, extra 10 grams per 100 or whatever. Oh, we've added more fiber to your product. Now they put citizens, they still charging the same as they were before, but now the product weighs, the actual core product weighs 10 less or 5% less, whatever.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Vinny]

So that's the game that's been played, you know, in our dietary system for the past, you know, 50, 67 years is it's kind of like shrinkflation, right. When inflation's high, they, they shrink the size of the, the cereal boxes. Okay. Instead of like a 200 gram cereal box, now it's 180, but same price.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

So it's the same principle. It's like shrinkflation applied to food. And so but instead of like reducing it from 100 gram, whatever, pop tarts, it's now a 90 gram pop tart with 10 grams of filler. And they do this over and over and over and they find new ways and hire food scientists because at scale, every gram or 2 grams of product that they say they're taking out and putting something cheap into substitute, you don't notice because it's the same size, but the quality is going down.

[Interviewer]

And there's also a monopoly. Whenever there's an up and coming food brand that's healthy, like Siete chips, they'll get acquired.

[Vinny]

Either get acquired and then they. So, so here's the game, okay. You acquire a brand that's organic and healthy and whatever else, and you slowly sub in cheaper stuff to improve your margins.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Vinny]

And increase the.

[Interviewer]

That's what they're doing with Sieta.

[Vinny]

That's what they.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

And they, this is the game plan because these companies have to fight inflation and keep costs low throughout the food chain. And inflation is running high.

[Interviewer]

And yeah. Yes, you could see it from a business point of view too, because you're, you're an entrepreneur.

[Vinny]

I get the business side of it, but when we're dealing with people's health, it shouldn't be like, you know.

[Interviewer]

Right. Conscious capitalism is what I call.

[Vinny]

This is why all I try and do is educate people. Whole foods. Okay. Like, you can't put fillers in a steak, Right? Okay.

[Interviewer]

Well, they put vaccines in it, but that's another.

[Vinny]

Well, actually, what they do is with chicken, they put this. They inject, like, they have these machines that inject saline into chicken, cheese brine into the chicken.

[Interviewer]

Oh, my gosh. To make them.

[Vinny]

Make them bigger. So now, you know, Yesterday you're paying 30 bucks a pound. Today you're paying 30 bucks a pound. But guess what? It's got 10% water.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Vinny]

So now they've controlled the cost going up by adding water to. And they actually have machines that do this.

[Interviewer]

The chickens at Costco look unnatural.

[Vinny]

I buy from ranchers, and we actually. On that. Sorry. So on the animal documentary website, Animal Movie, we actually, you know, for free, we put up a whole list of all the ranches that we recognize. And just. We. We just tell people, whichever state you're in, just order from a local rancher. They're not going. And stuffing the food with extra brine. They're not trying to, like, pump up their meat. This is what happens in the big. The big box, you know, sort of retailers and food suppliers.

[Interviewer]

I've read the ingredient list on a rotisserie chicken. Like sprouts and whole foods. It's like 20 different words.

[Vinny]

Everything is a. So it's all about the weight. It's all about the weight. When you're putting extra stuff in the food, you get the same weight for lower cost.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Vinny]

And so this is the problem.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. I order when I can from the Amish. Amish farms.

[Vinny]

Okay.

[Interviewer]

They got the best meat. Man.

[Vinny]

I've never had that.

[Interviewer]

Really?

[Vinny]

Yeah. Wow.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Amish and like, regenerative ranchers, like you said. There's a few in Texas, I think.

[Vinny]

Yeah. So I live in Austin, Texas, and I order from local ranches.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Yeah. It's nuts, dude.

[Vinny]

So people should start. Stop buying from supermarkets when it comes to food. And you buy packaged goods with like, 50 different ingredients. You're crazy.

[Interviewer]

And the plastic in the packaging.

[Vinny]

Oh, don't get me started. Microplastics. That's a whole different topic. But. But, yeah, I appreciate this.

[Interviewer]

I try to drink glass when I can.

[Vinny]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Water out of glass bottles.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. How many supplements are you taking?

[Vinny]

Right now I'm taking about 30 to 40.

[Interviewer]

Holy crap.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

That's a lot.

[Vinny]

Well, it is, but it's focused on my personal makeup, so I I try not to tell people what, what to take because you should test your blood and you should optimize your health. But majority of it is I think I take six supplements at sleep time to get the most efficient sleep. So that's magnesium, apigenin, tart, cherry, tryptophan and one or two other things. I have a little stack at home and that works great for me. So I take that, I get really good night's sleep. Six to seven and a half hours is kind of my, that's what I'm used to. And I. But it's very, very good sleep. Deep sleep, REM sleep recovery is fantastic. Then I take, you know, vitamin D everyone. If you have to look at one one marker in your body. Vitamin D is the most important one I think.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Vinny]

And you should have it above 60.

[Interviewer]

That was my deficiency when I got my blood tested.

[Vinny]

Yeah. So when I moved from South Africa to San Francisco my, I didn't monitor it and my blood, my vitamin D dropped down to 19.

[Interviewer]

Holy crap.

[Vinny]

And I got really sick for one. I couldn't figure it out eventually because San Francisco's got no sun. It's like the worst place for someone from Africa and it's got no sun. So within a year I was just in a really unhealthy spot. But since then I've been supplementing vitamin D and my vitamin D levels are over 60 into 70 sometimes in summer. And yeah. So I think keep vitamin D high and you probably won't get sick that often. You know, all things being equal.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Vinny]

But you know, other. So a lot of my supplementation focuses on metabolic health and, and sorry cellular mitochondrial health. So I take things like nad, I take fatty 15, I take glutathione, so a whole bunch of those things. But again this is supplementation just for improving and enhancing and that's a creatine as well as well.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

I take root in for jimming and yeah. But nothing is essential. Like I'm actually off my supplements for a week now. I'm just taking a cleanse for a week.

[Interviewer]

And do you notice any difference?

[Vinny]

No, because a lot of the stuff I take is long term based so this, you know, like I take urolith and a. And that sort of thing. So it's all like over months and months and months and years. This is the stuff that's anti aging mitochondrial health and I, you know, I don't, I don't get sick. I take like black seed oil. I take. There's a bunch of things to say but it's close to like 30 to 40 ranges.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. I could see why you're good at poker now. You take your physical health really serious.

[Vinny]

I do, I do. When I play poker, it's a whole different game.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

Again, I'm not going to share my secrets, but, you know, you got a.

[Interviewer]

Mental stack in the I do repertoire.

[Vinny]

Yeah, I do. I have a whole stack for poker. I have a whole eating plan for poker. Like it's almost like a sport. Yeah, it's like a big sport. I have, have my own chair that I use, a special chair that I play poker in.

[Interviewer]

Really? It comes down to the chair.

[Vinny]

Yeah. Just getting posture back, focus, have a routine. When I wake up, I have a, you know. Yeah, it's, it's. I take it very seriously.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. That's why I'm fascinated that Daniel Negani is vegetarian because I feel like that would just give me so much brain fog, personally, that type of diet.

[Vinny]

Some people adapt to it, but I, you know, I think he's just gifted beyond the. He's a nutritional stack.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same with Brian Johnson. He's vegetarian.

[Vinny]

Yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer]

I don't know how, but.

[Vinny]

So look, the thing about vegetarianism is that if you, in the modern world today, it's fine to be vegetarian, actually. You can get your B12 supplements, you can get all your deficiencies taken care of. Like, if we didn't have the technology we had today, we could not be vegans, as you know. But, but we do have it. So people are fair to be vegans, really, because if you didn't have the ability to determine what the, what the protein breakdown is in pre protein and rice protein and all these other proteins that mix together to get a complete protein, you wouldn't be able to thrive because you'd be getting incomplete proteins all day. But we do know. So you can combine certain plants together and you can get the right ratio and make a protein shake and people can have that shake. It does have lots of heavy metals. These protein shakes that are vegan have lots of heavy metals. Proven not good for you, but people can choose to have that. But my point is, without the technology we have today, we wouldn't know what's in the food, we wouldn't know what a vitamin B deficiency was. B12 deficiency was, you wouldn't be able to get shots for it. You wouldn't have. So the problems that vegans have is corrected by the modern healthcare system we have. But you put vegans on an island and you say, okay, well, you have to be A vegan for the next 20 years, they're gonna have health issues. And when I say an island, like, you know, lost in the Atlantic somewhere, they'd have to eat fish.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, they'd have to. You do any heavy metal cleanse or parasite cleanses?

[Vinny]

I've fortunately never. Touchwood never had a parasite. Why? I've been tested for it multiple times.

[Interviewer]

Holy crap.

[Vinny]

I've done all the suit tests. Yeah, I just, I just don't do things which get me into parasite territory.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, but even showering these days can get you a parasite.

[Vinny]

I have a whole house water filter.

[Interviewer]

Oh, okay. That makes sense with uv.

[Vinny]

So I'm like, you know, I, I, I take, look, obviously I travel and stuff, but I, I, I always try and stay in nice places. Yeah, I don't swim in rivers and lakes.

[Interviewer]

Hell no. No, definitely don't do that.

[Vinny]

I don't trust that place. I barely go into the ocean. Pools are fine.

[Interviewer]

Really?

[Vinny]

Yeah, I do pools, but I mean, ocean's fine. I'll go like a, you know, Caribbean stuff, but I don't, I try and stay out of fresh water stuff. It's got salt, it's cooler. Better. Yeah, fresh water is more risky.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, I don't, When I was a kid, I used to walk in rivers and stuff. I don't think I do it anymore. Yeah, it's just way too risky.

[Vinny]

Yeah, I agree.

[Interviewer]

Well, dude, good luck with your poker stuff. I know you got a lot of games you're playing in this year and tournaments.

[Vinny]

Thank you.

[Interviewer]

Hopefully see you on Shark Tank again too.

[Vinny]

Yeah, maybe next year we're looking at maybe doing a Shark Tank South Africa. Nice. Again, another one, so.

[Interviewer]

That'd be sick. Anything else you want to. I know you got the documentary too, right?

[Vinny]

Yeah. Documentary. Yeah. So it's been, it's been great. The documentary was like, look, that's the other thing about the document. We made it as a, as kind of a, a gift to the world. I, I, I'm like, look, we're been bombarded with all this vegan propaganda on Netflix and all over the place. And people watch it and they believe all that stuff to be true. And some of the stuff is not. It's, it's a stretch at best. But all these documentaries, a lot of them are backed by big vegan producers, right? Companies that make fake meat, beyond meat, whatever they fake meat, vegan protein shakes. But they're sponsoring this. Good news is I made a, I made a carnival documentary. And I don't need to sell anything. Like, I don't make money out of it.

[Interviewer]

It's not biased.

[Vinny]

It's not biased. It was. It's like one guy who's a tech guy, poker player, whatever. It just felt that, hey, this helped me so much. I want to share this with the world. And people can watch it. They can agree, they can disagree. It doesn't matter to me.

[Interviewer]

I love that.

[Vinny]

I'm not trying to sell you anything.

[Interviewer]

I love that. We'll include that below. Thanks for coming on, man.

[Vinny]

Thank you so much.

[Interviewer]

Check them out, guys. Peace.

[Vinny]

Thank you.

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[Interviewer]

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[Vinny]

Thank you.