Virginia Is Turning Blue And Nobody’s Stopping It... | Amy Dangerfield | DSH #1975

Summary

Digital Social Hour — “Virginia Is Turning Blue And Nobody’s Stopping It...”

Guest: Amy Dangerfield | Host: Sean Kelly | Episode #1975 | May 21, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, host Sean Kelly sits down with political commentator and media creator Amy Dangerfield for a candid conversation about the right’s current infighting, the rise of the America First movement, generational political shifts, censorship, digital IDs, and the looming threat to free speech in Western countries. The discussion weaves through Amy's personal journey, her involvement in the media world, and her perspectives on the state of American and global freedoms. This episode is rich with insider anecdotes, analysis of emerging digital control mechanisms, and warnings about the future of political dissent.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Right-Wing “Cancel Culture” and Internal Division

• Infighting on the Right: Amy and Sean discuss how right-wing movements are mirroring leftist “cancel culture,” particularly through public purity tests and demands to disavow figures (e.g., Candace Owens). (01:08–01:46)
• Emergence of “Woke Right”: Amy labels those engaging in cancellations on the right as the “Woke Right.” (01:37–01:51)
• Generational Shifts: Gen Z is becoming more politically activated and threatening established power structures, leading to defensive reactions from the “old guard.” (01:54–02:41)

Quote (Amy, 01:30):
"We made fun of [the left] for doing that, but now they're doing it to people on the right."

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2. America First vs. MAGA: The New Divide

• America First Candidates Rising: Amy highlights candidates like James Fishbach (FL) and Dennis (CA), noting their authenticity and traction with young voters. (02:42–04:21)
• Live Audience Reaction: At a live Naples rally, controversial topics received unexpected support, indicating a changing political atmosphere. (03:23–03:36)
• Embracing Outspokenness: Amy emphasizes the power of authenticity and refusing to “hide your power level”—encouraging more to publicly express their views. (04:42–05:31)

Quote (Amy, 04:16):
"Refusing to disavow people... he's garnered a lot of respect among Gen Z voters."

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3. Censorship, Platform Bans, and Social Media Tactics

• Censorship of Dissidents: Discussion of how figures like Nick Fuentes are systematically banned; Amy details measures like using asterisks to avoid content moderation. (06:20–06:41)
• Bot Attacks and Coordinated Harassment: They delve into political botting on X/Twitter, where automated accounts attack dissidents or suppress organic engagement. (21:49–22:42)
• Cross-Platform Suppression: Tyler Oliveira’s Patreon ban and subsequent establishment pushback are cited as examples of how both ends of the spectrum can foster censorship. (06:51–07:54)

Quote (Amy, 06:25):
"You had to put [his] name in asterisks, like a curse word... Otherwise they would flag your video, take down your video."

Quote (Host, 22:33):
"They've weaponized these bot farms politically."

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4. Amy’s Path: From Debates to Independent Media

• Social Media Breakthrough: Amy's viral debates on Fresh and Fit led to her starting a media channel (11:35–12:45), and further media appearances (Source Cast, Valuetainment).
• Inside the Industry: Amy shares her experience learning video production/distribution at Valuetainment, building her skills before going independent (16:22–17:10).
• The Power of Editing: Both Sean and Amy note how strong video editing boosted views dramatically. (19:40–19:46)

Quote (Amy, 12:45):
"It was, like, not super adversarial either ... It's society that's kind of brainwashed women to be normalized with that idea..."

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5. Freedom Under Threat: Digital IDs and Global Authoritarian Creep

• Mechanics of Digital Control: Amy warns about the implementation of mandatory digital IDs in Australia and the UK, and how the US is the “last bastion of freedom.” (28:28–31:27)
• Social Credit System Warnings: Discussion on how digital IDs and CBDCs (Central Bank Digital Currencies) could lead to Chinese-style social credit systems in the West. (28:42–29:13)
• Incremental Approach: Amy notes how these measures start as “voluntary” before becoming mandatory in private, then public, sectors. (30:40–31:27)

Quote (Amy, 28:47):
“CBDCs and digital IDs ... you have the perfect system that underpins a social credit score, which is exactly what Communist China does.”

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6. Free Speech Erosion: Case Studies and Cautionary Tales

• Political Persecution Abroad: Amy recounts the criminalization of speech in Australia (01-year jail sentence for anti-Semitic remarks [25:45–26:10]) and mass arrests in the UK for online posts (27:06).
• Tucker Carlson’s Detention: Sean mentions Tucker being detained and interrogated in a foreign country after interviewing an international leader—highlighting shrinking global speech protections. (26:49–27:06)

Quote (Amy, 12:10):
“This truly is the only country in the world... that is the last bastion of freedom.”

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7. Conspiracies, Scepticism, and the Epstein Files

• Epstein Case Debates: The conversation turns to the latest Epstein files and media narratives. Amy argues that many purported “victims” were also recruiters, urging listeners to approach files with skepticism—citing manipulative sensationalism and widespread misinformation (33:11–37:48).
• Misinformation & Psyops: Both agree that fake documents and wild rumors may be deliberately sown to fatigue or mislead the public, preventing serious investigation. (40:05–41:06)

Quote (Amy, 33:44):
“The people who are seen as the poster victims for Epstein actually recruited the majority of the women who were 14, 16, 17...”

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8. Looking Forward: Next Steps for Amy & the Political Fight

• Personal & Professional Focus: Amy shares plans to deepen her media work, collaborate with others, and start a family—prioritizing faith, “America First,” and real-life over being "terminally online.” (42:19-44:48)
• Mission Statement: Mission is centered unapologetically on Christ, patriotism, and challenging narratives that push people away from family and faith. (43:39–44:48)

Quote (Amy, 44:38):
“We’re on a mission... Christ first, above everything, but then America first when it comes to patriotism and giving back to this nation…”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "We made fun of [the left] for doing that, but now they're doing it to people on the right."
  -- Amy (01:30)
• "The America First hat is a great litmus test... there's way more people who are happy and accepting of it than people who would ever [react negatively]."
  -- Amy (21:26)
• "CBDCs and digital IDs... you have the perfect system that underpins a social credit score, which is exactly what Communist China does."
  -- Amy (28:47)
• "This truly is the only country in the world... that is the last bastion of freedom."
  -- Amy (12:10)
• "There's honestly almost been a deliberate push to put people's brains into overdrive about all of this stuff to the point where they think it’s so gory... they're actually unwilling to look through the real files."
  -- Amy (40:29)
• "We’re on a mission... Christ first, above everything, but then America first..."
  -- Amy (44:38)

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Key Timestamps

• Right’s Culture War & Purity Tests: 01:08–02:41
• America First Rising & Gen Z Activation: 02:42–04:21
• Censorship & Ban Mechanisms: 06:20–07:54, 21:49–22:42
• Amy’s Media Start (Fresh and Fit, Valuetainment, Going Independent): 11:35–17:10
• Digital ID & Surveillance Threats: 28:28–31:27
• Free Speech Erosion Western Nations: 25:45–27:06
• Epstein Files Debate & Sensationalism: 33:11–41:06
• Amy’s Next Steps & Values: 42:19–44:48

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Final Takeaways

The episode is a dense but engaging exploration of the current state of right-wing activism, generational change, and looming digital and legal threats to freedom. Amy Dangerfield emerges as both a cautionary voice and a passionate advocate for authenticity, American values, and the exercise of hard-won rights. The urgency surrounding the next election and the pandemic of speech controls underpin the entire conversation, alongside an invitation to engage missionally, think critically, and, above all, "touch grass" outside the internet echo chambers.

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Find Amy Dangerfield:

• YouTube
• Rumble
• Twitter/X

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For listeners interested in the convergence of politics, technology, and free speech, this episode is a must-listen for its perspective on the quiet, yet accelerating transformation of Western democracies.

Transcript

[Amy]

I always start off by saying, like, it's not mandatory. It's up to you. It's completely voluntary. And then they'll slowly start making it mandatory, first in the private sector, and then eventually it moves to the public sector as well. Like in Australia, if you're a business owner and you don't have a digital id, you'll be fined potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars. In the UK, if you don't have a digital ID, you won't be able to work without it. By 2029, this truly is the country in the world that is the lost bastion of freedom. America Falls. Everything else is fully done. Like Australia, the uk all these places are already cooked. But, like, they'll be beyond cooked.

[Host]

Okay, guys, we got Amy in studio today, drinking coffee at 5pm let's go. I love the boldness. How's it going?

[Amy]

I'm good. How are you?

[Host]

Good. It's not getting canceled, you know?

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Hanging in there.

[Amy]

It's tough these days, right, when you

[Host]

associate with the Griper movement. And I've had him on the show and a couple people canceled, lost a couple sponsors.

[Amy]

Really?

[Host]

Yeah. Nothing too crazy, though.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Host]

But it was definitely a little noticeable.

[Amy]

Man. It's crazy that they coined that new term the work. Right. But they're more so applying it to people within the Grupo movement. But I think it's the opposite. It's the people in the right who are trying to say you need to publicly disavow others, because that's what the left did. Right. They had all these purity tests, and if you didn't believe exactly what they believe, then you needed to be canceled and excommunicated. And we made fun of them for doing that, but now they're doing it to people on the right.

[Host]

The right is cancer.

[Amy]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ad Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host]

The left was known for that, and now we're doing it. Right. And all the infighting on the right is crazy how they're going after Candace.

[Amy]

Yeah. That's what I would label the Woke ride, honestly, is all the people who were trying to do the canceling.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

How do you think it got to that point?

[Amy]

I think that they're threatened that some of these ideas are really starting to catch a lot of steam, and people are resonating, and it's really kind of rallying the younger people. A lot of Gen Z are becoming very politically active in a way that they've never been before. Gen Z is kind of renownedly known to not actually vote. Right. But they're actually getting out there, and they're getting politically active, and I think they're terrified of the old God that carries a lot of power and a lot of money and a lot, lot of influence. They're scared of losing that influence. And it's kind of intimidating for them when they see young guys who don't have the money and the resources that they have getting so much attention and really seeing that the power could actually come back to the people.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

The end of the day.

[Host]

Yeah. America first versus Maga, right? Kind of the new school versus the old school.

[Amy]

Yes, yes, indeed. 100%. And there's a lot of, you know, America first candidates that are coming out now that I. I really, really respect. Yeah. I just did an interview with James Fishbach. Yeah. Shout out to James. He's doing incredible. Gubernatorial candidate for Florida. We did a rally out at sea to table in Naples. And I was a little bit scared, to be honest, because, you know, Naples, it's an older kind of community. You think you have more, like, establishment MAGA people hanging out there. And so we did this live podcast. It's the first live podcast that I've ever did since going independent. Meeting with a live audience.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And I was like, we're probably gonna get some booze. There'll be cheers, but there'll be some booze as well. I feel like when we start talking about more contentious topics around APAC Israel, things like this.

[Host]

Sure.

[Amy]

Everyone was cheering.

[Host]

Really?

[Amy]

Yeah. Everyone was cheering.

[Host]

Wow.

[Amy]

It was cool.

[Host]

That's shocking. He.

[Amy]

He rallies people unlike anything that I've ever seen before. He's a workhorse. Every night he's out there, I see it.

[Host]

Campaigning every time I'm scrolling.

[Amy]

Yeah, yeah. He's. He's catching a lot of steam. I'm. Honestly, it's incredible to see. I actually was on a, like, online panel with him. This was my first time meeting him in person in Naples. But, like, months before, we did an online show together, and I didn't even know who this guy was then. He was barely getting any attention. And in a matter of just a couple of months, from just working hard, speaking truth to power, connecting with the younger base, and refusing to disavow people like Puenters and the Gripers when people are calling him to. He's garnered a lot of respect amongst Gen Z voters.

[Host]

That's exactly what happened to me. So he was at amfest two years ago.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Host]

I didn't have him on just being honest. I didn't know who he was then. He was at Student Action Summit. I wasn't Going to have him on again, but then someone canceled, so I filled him in. That's where I met him. And then he just started blowing up. And his movement's been insane.

[Amy]

It really has been one of a kind.

[Host]

Shout out to James.

[Amy]

Yeah, shout out to James. Shout out to Dennis as well. I know you had Dennis on. Dennis is awesome. Another America first candidate. He's doing out in California, though, which is probably even. Yeah, it's even. Even more difficult, I would say, than out in Florida. So, yeah, these guys are starting to become a lot more bolder. They're starting to speak up, which is incredible. You know, Nick says that people should hide their power level, and I get that. I totally get that. But I feel like the more we, you know, authentically say what we believe to be true, and we're not afraid of the blowback, and the blowback's going to be inevitable, but there's power in numbers, and the more people who authentically say what they believe, like, the more unstoppable we're going to be. It's nice seeing people be more public about it. It's kind of like. Remember those memes about, like, coming out as a Republican?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Now it's like coming out as a group.

[Host]

Yeah, it was coming out as a Republican.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Trump's first term. Really scary.

[Amy]

Right?

[Host]

Like, a lot of shame.

[Amy]

Exactly. It's this, and now it's the same with people who are unapologetically America First.

[Host]

Yeah. How long you been following fuentes stuff?

[Amy]

Since 2000. The end of 2022. Yeah. I spoke to him for the first time in 2023 on a call. My friend Santino actually put me onto him. And back then, it was more so like, his red pill takes on, like, women and race realism and things like this.

[Host]

Right.

[Amy]

I didn't really get into the APAC stuff till a little bit later. I'd say probably 2024. But, yeah, I've been following and supporting him for a while now.

[Host]

Nice. That is somewhat early, I feel like, for him, because he.

[Amy]

He was very banned then.

[Host]

Yeah. That was when he was banned everywhere.

[Amy]

Yes. You could only watch him on a platform called Cozy tv. Yeah. And you. If you wanted to reference him in anything online, you had to put his name in asterisks, like a curse word, like, literally. Otherwise they would flag your video, take down your video. Yeah.

[Host]

That's crazy.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

I know. He's still face banned on TikTok because I tried posting a clip of ours and instantly got deleted.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Which is crazy.

[Amy]

Well, that's not surprising now because that's owned by the Ellison's.

[Host]

Yeah, not surprising at all. Speaking of someone else getting banned though, you see this Tyler Oliveira. Yeah, yeah. Just got banned on Patreon.

[Amy]

Indeed I did see that. Yeah. And also what's interesting is the blowback that's come upon Nick Shirley for supporting him. Did you see that?

[Host]

Saw that too.

[Amy]

Yeah. Yeah. No, he obviously this guy Tyler just did exactly what Nick Shirley did, but exposing the power in like Orthodox Jewish communities that are taking over the area, committing a lot of the same fraud, monopolizing resources. The same thing that Shirley reported on. And all he said was expose them all. And for that, all of the people who are elevating Nick Shirley as this legend for calling out, you know, the Muslims, now they are attacking him. Those same people who supported him are now attacking him all because all he did was say expose them all. Three words can now. He's can now get you hate. Yeah. He's being attacked by Laura Looma and a lot of people on the establishment. Right.

[Host]

Every time I see her tweet, read about something, it's negative.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Like, it's never like I felt better after reading that. It's always like, what the. Her calling someone out?

[Amy]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Host]

And then seven other people call the same person out with different words. Slightly.

[Amy]

Yeah. I mean, and she's just unabashed in it too. Like she'll get ratioed, but she'll just keep going. I think she just does it for love of the game, honestly.

[Host]

Some money, sepal. You know what I mean?

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[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

It's addicting for sure.

[Amy]

It is, yeah. I need to take mental detoxes over time.

[Host]

Are you pretty vindictive? Like, do you respond to haters and people like that on Twitter?

[Amy]

No, not really. I mean, every. Every so often I will, but more. More so I do not.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Yeah. I've grown pretty thick skin. I would.

[Host]

Never responded to one.

[Amy]

Never responded to one. Wow.

[Host]

No, I don't see most of them, but the ones I do, it's just

[Amy]

the really dumb ones that I respond. So like, like someone the other day, they're like, dangerfield is a Jewish last name. I was just like, that's wild. No, it's not. What do you. I'm like, are you referring to Rodney Dangerfield? Because that wasn't his real last name. You know, that was a stage name, if you weren't aware. So just like really dumb things like that. Someone called me out for being on Claviculous Stream. I've never been On Claviculous stream. It's just like the. The dumb blatantly untrue thing sometimes. I'll respond to this just to clarify

[Host]

the truth to let.

[Amy]

Yeah, just to let people know how dumb they are.

[Host]

You have been on Fresh and Fit though.

[Amy]

Yes. Yeah. Shout out Fresh and Fit.

[Host]

Were you debating them or what? What was the.

[Amy]

No, no, this is back in. When was it like 2023, I think. Yeah, something like that. A friend of mine was connected in Fresh's group chat that he has like his mentorship group chat program that he runs and they were looking for some girls to come on and maybe kind of challenge the only fans models a little bit. And so that's why my name, my name officially got thrown in the bucket. They invited me on and just some clips went viral of me debating these girls and that's the whole reason why I created my YouTube channel because other people kept posting a bunch of clips of me that were performing extremely well.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

So I was like, hey, I might as well just rip this thing and just throw it up on my own channel essentially. And that was my first couple of shorts that went super viral.

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[Amy]

from there I kind of started carving out my own space in the media world.

[Host]

So that was your first debate ever?

[Amy]

First debate, yeah.

[Host]

And you just crushed it right off the bat.

[Amy]

Yeah. I mean first, first public debate, sure. I mean I've debated friends. I, I, I like, you know, I like challenging different ideas. I've always been, I wouldn't say like an adversarial person because I'm the type of person where I can like disagree with someone and then like give them a hug after or you know, go for a coffee or something like that. Yeah, I don't carry like genuine like hate and vitriol in my heart, unlike a lot of these other people seemingly. So I, I do enjoy debates but that was my first public one. Interesting and, and perform really well. That one was like not super adversarial either. Like it, it was, but it was also me trying girl and say like, you know, you, you seem pretty intelligent, you're beautiful. You could do so much better than just turn your body into a commodity for men to purchase because I'm sure that doesn't feel very good. I think society has kind of brainwashed women to be normalized with that idea. But I don't think anyone who does like on a self inventory of like their mind and their heart, it probably doesn't feel very good.

[Host]

What ended up happening to her? Did you check in with her?

[Amy]

I did, I tried to check in with her a little bit. At the time I was involved in sales so I tried to hook her up with some different sales roles and I'm not sure I followed up with her for a little bit like six months or so after that. I'm not really sure what happened to her after, but I definitely gave her some job interviews and things like that.

[Host]

Shout out for doing that because most of these lf girls actually don't make that much.

[Amy]

No, crazy. Yeah. The average income earner on Only fans makes, I think it's $2,000 per month. That, that's not even the average, sorry, top 1%.

[Host]

Oh, that's it, the top 1%.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Holy crap.

[Amy]

I mean that's kind of like typical with most a lot of businesses. Honestly like, and here's the thing, like they have this referral program with only fans or if they recruit girls onto the platform using their referral link, then they make a percentage of oh, what these girls.

[Host]

I don't know that.

[Amy]

And so it's kind of like a multi level marketing scheme for whores, basically. But you look at most MLMs, and the. The top 1% of earners also only make about $2,000 per month. It's when you get into like the top, like 0.1 or the top 0.01%. These are the people who are actually making hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars. But they don't market it as such, obviously, because then they wouldn't be able to recruit people.

[Host]

Right, that makes sense. Okay, Got it. So fresh and fit. Kickstart your career.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

From there. Is that when you went on PBD stuff or.

[Amy]

Yeah, I went on a podcast called Source Cast.

[Host]

Yeah, I've been on there.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Host]

That was an interesting show. I went on there, just got engaged. It was me and eight girls. And what did you think?

[Amy]

How was that experience?

[Host]

Weird. My. My fiance at the time was pretty pissed, but. Oh, I thought it was interesting, you know?

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

So I held my ground.

[Amy]

Similar. Similar type of format, I would say kind of the fresh and fit.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

So I went on a couple of times, actually, my maybe third or fourth time Nick was on there.

[Host]

Oh.

[Amy]

So it was my first time meeting him in person. I'd spoken to him once on the phone before that, but yeah, it was my first time meeting him in person. And that was kind of wild. Like, everybody was attacking him on that panel.

[Host]

Wow.

[Amy]

It was. It actually. I'm pretty sure it was a coordinated setup.

[Host]

Damn.

[Amy]

Yeah. Because I've recently actually put out a video because a lot of people have been saying I'm like the original Gray Pet, which I'm not, by the way. There are definitely women who were on board the movement before me, but I was combing through, like, a lot of the footage of, like, when we first met and just like tracing through the backstory and upon, like, second glance and really getting into it, it seems like there was a little bit of coordination. You see people gesturing, like hand signals, like, check your text and no way. And things like this. Yeah.

[Host]

Holy crap.

[Amy]

A little bit.

[Host]

Well, I know him and Adam aren't cool anymore. Nick and Adam?

[Amy]

Yeah. I'm not too sure. I know that the last time they met up in person, they seemed pretty fine with you.

[Host]

Yeah, they were fine then. And then I forget what. Oh, there was the Tate thing, probably. Yeah, there was something. Oh, yeah. I think it was the HH stuff. Adam was like, that's the final straw.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

But I. I went on Adam's show, like, several times, and then from there he said that valuetainment was hiring in sales. Since that was my background. I applied for a position, but I didn't like it very much. Nothing to do with them. I just, like, was kind of over the sales industry, I think, at that point. And so when I went to quit, they actually offered me a gig in the studio side of things, which was pretty cool.

[Host]

That's what you wanted to do anyways.

[Amy]

Yeah. I mean, I already started up my YouTube channel. I'd been on Fresh and Fit by that point. I had a very modest subscriber count, I think, like 20,000 subscribers or something like that. It's something. But, yeah, pretty. Pretty small. And so. So I thought it would be a great opportunity to be able to learn from these guys who had millions of subscribers, you know, getting tens of millions of views, sometimes 100 million views on some of their videos to learn exactly how to run a successful YouTube operation. I was in distribution, so figuring out the best, most strategic ways to post videos.

[Host]

Right.

[Amy]

And it was very educational, for sure. I learned. Learned so much. Absolutely. Yeah. I definitely want to give valuetainment their flowers for teaching me a lot there. And then I pitched a show to them maybe like a year and a half later, and they eventually accepted.

[Host]

That was her take.

[Amy]

No. So her take was actually started up around the same time that my show got accepted. So, yeah, they put me on that panel with Jillian Michaels, Anna Kasparian, and Lindy Lee.

[Host]

I thought that was a great idea.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

There was no political show that has done that.

[Amy]

Yeah, no, I agree, definitely. The concept was it was going to be like the view of the right wing, basically.

[Host]

It was kind of like his show because he has four guys on his show and you were kind of like the four females.

[Amy]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. It was.

[Host]

Thought it was good.

[Amy]

Yeah. Good opportunity, for sure. For sure. And I got to make some incredible friends that I still love so much. Anna Kasparian is one of my favorite people. Same with Lindy Lee. Yeah. And it really taught me. I mean, I kind of already knew this, but it kind of showed me that the political divide in this country is so much more than left versus right. And it really is about America first versus people who are willing to put other nations first or other interests first.

[Host]

Right.

[Amy]

And Anna's a really great example of that, in my opinion.

[Host]

Yeah, she's left, right?

[Amy]

She is, yeah, she's left. I mean, I would say, honestly, she is issue by issue now. Yeah. I don't think that she would call herself resoundingly left overall, you know, because when she Espouses some of her views on certain things. It's like, oh, that's a little bit of a, you know, either moderate or maybe even right wing talking point. It's. We found a lot more common ground than differences on her take, which was pretty cool.

[Host]

Yeah, she's great. She's one of the best debaters I've ever seen.

[Amy]

Oh, absolutely.

[Host]

Because I saw her against Pearl.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

I was doing podcasts at that event and she won.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Even though I disagreed with her.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Like, obviously I'm not in support of feminists or whatever, but she won the debate.

[Amy]

Yeah. Nice. So there's some just really talented debaters, I would say. Same with, like, Destiny. I think that Destiny can probably win a debate even when you disagree with them.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Yes.

[Host]

That good. Same with Andrew Wilson. Same with Myron Gaines.

[Amy]

Yes, absolutely. Yeah. So Anna's awesome, Lindy's awesome. Valuetainment is awesome. All over. A really great experience. But I am so happy to be independent now.

[Host]

Good feeling, right?

[Amy]

Yeah, definitely is for sure. It's just given us so much more freedom, my fiance and I, to be able to travel. He worked at valuetainment too. He was their top editor over there. Yeah. He's extremely talented in production. Post production, really everything. He wears all the hats now. He's like my manager.

[Host]

My producer is everything.

[Amy]

The editing really is everything.

[Host]

My views went up 14x in the first month.

[Amy]

Oh, wow.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Incredible.

[Host]

Yeah. It was crazy.

[Amy]

Yeah. No, he's always, you know, cooking up different strategies, coming up with different ideas. You know, he gets very creative with it and we just have a lot of fun.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

With it now. It's cool. Like a lot of the creative part of my role at valuetainment was kind of overshadowed by like the day to day responsibilities that I needed to focus on. Like, those came first, you know, and so now we just get to be wake up every day and, you know, the day is completely in our hands. However we want it to go. We can either focus fully, lock into work mode for the day and film and edit, or we can just enjoy the day. We can, you know, travel. We can network with people. Like here on this trip, we're, you know, doing our Groiper family meetup part two.

[Host]

There's some Groiper in Vegas.

[Amy]

Yeah.

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[Host]

So when I had Nick on, people would just come up to me randomly at like the grocery store, the gym. I'm like, damn, he's got people everywhere.

[Amy]

Absolutely. Yeah. The America first had is a great litmus test. Oh yeah. Whenever I wear it out in public, the amount of people who come up and they like either fist bump me or like they give me a wink or something, I can see that there's way more people who are happy and accepting of it than people who would ever. I don't think anyone's ever actually said anything negative to me in person. Not in person for wearing the hat.

[Host]

Yeah, it's all online. And you could argue that some of that is bots. Yeah, True coordinated bot attacks.

[Amy]

I don't really understand much about the botting thing. I'm actually kind of new to like X and like, I've had an account, but I've only since going independent, started posting on it in a very like, significant way. But I'm pretty sure, like people have said to me that I've been botted like once or twice.

[Host]

Probably.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

They have different types of attacks.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Host]

There's attacks where like, they'll instantly reply to all your tweets and just bought your comment section and disagree with you.

[Amy]

Right.

[Host]

They bought your followers sometimes. Okay, I have a bunch of fake followers and then it messes up your engagement.

[Amy]

Oh really?

[Host]

Well, they bought your views, so it messes up your algorithm on YouTube so you don't show up on the for you page anymore.

[Amy]

Oh no.

[Host]

Yeah, they've weaponized these bot farms politically.

[Amy]

Oh my goodness.

[Host]

I'm sure once you get bigger, you'll start seeing.

[Amy]

Right. And is it attached to like certain keywords and stuff like that?

[Host]

Yeah, there's that too. Certain words they'll automatically comment.

[Amy]

Right? Like I, I made a post on X, all I said was, what in the kirk is happening here? In response to Something. It wasn't even Charlie Kirk related. It's just kind of like a phrase that has, you know, it's not even a leftist phrase. A lot of people on the right, they. I'm sure you've seen the Kirk memes and the. The digital animations, the AI. Yeah, there's no way people on the left are making those. People on the left do not have a sense of humor. Like, these are coming from the right. So I posted like, what in the Kirk is this? And all of a sudden, like, hundreds of comments out of nowhere. Keep his name out of your whole mouth. Like, literally ripping into me, creating, like, AI, terrible AI depictions of me. Let's just put it that way. Yes, definitely. That definitely breached some tos on X. I'm sure. But yeah, that was my first experience with that. And then I had a friend who was like, I think you actually got bodied probably.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah. So. And once you start live streaming more, sometimes they'll bop the stream. You know, they'll start spamming the chat, so you can't read the chat. Wow.

[Amy]

Wow. I thought that was happening to us once, but it turns out we were just being Rumble rated by the. By the CEO of Rumble and the CEO of Tether. Yeah. Shout out to Chris. That was awesome. That was our first time going live on Rumble and they donated, like 1600 bucks.

[Host]

Let's go.

[Amy]

Yeah, it's pretty cool.

[Host]

Live streaming now.

[Amy]

Yeah, a little bit. So, like I mentioned, I've been out in Arizona for a little bit. My fiance has been kind of traveling around the Gulf coast and spending some time with his family. They're based kind of nearby Naples. But we are looking to settle down in Sarasota where Rumble is. And when we get there, I'm gonna do like, a consistent three day per week kind of schedule. Live stream to both, you know, YouTube and rumble.

[Host]

We'll have to get you on clavicular stream E. Some looks maxing with them.

[Amy]

Sure. It's funny, one of my longest friends in the United States that I've known for years, like, or like seven years now, is actually like, his business manager.

[Host]

Really?

[Amy]

Yes.

[Host]

Small world, huh? Wow.

[Amy]

I'm gonna be collaborating with one of the girls who's coming onto his network here shortly. I don't want to give too much of a spoiler, but some very interesting story surrounding her that we're going to be going live and doing a video essay on.

[Host]

Okay. Yeah, I was gonna say that'd be a good next investigation for you. Looks maxing.

[Amy]

Oh, I. That was actually the first video that I made.

[Host]

Oh, really?

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Oh, I didn't see that one.

[Amy]

Yeah, it was a video. Video essay. So I do. I like Going Live. It's been pretty sporadic, but I do these in depth video essays where I basically research a topic for like a week, do a big deep dive, and then try to look at it from, like, both angles, both different perspectives. Yeah. Actually, sorry, it wasn't my first video. It was, I think, my third video essay that I did.

[Host]

Okay.

[Amy]

Yeah. The first one was on APAC versus America First. The second one was on the Bondi beach shooting in Australia, which I believe to be a false flag.

[Host]

Yeah. At this point I do, too.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

A guy actually in Australia was just. He got a one year sentence, actually for anti Semitism.

[Host]

What?

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[Amy]

Yes. On Australia Day. I. I think he said, instead of like, our greatest ally, they're our greatest enemy. Something along those lines. And. And, oh, it has been. It has been.

[Host]

You know, people just there. That's crazy.

[Amy]

You were.

[Host]

Yeah, for my honeymoon. That's crazy.

[Amy]

Yeah. People ask why I'm America first. It's like, this truly is the country, the only country in the world. From my perspective, that is the last bastion of freedom.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

America falls. Everything else is fully done. Like. Like Australia, the uk, all these places are already cooked. But, like, they'll be beyond cook. They'll be like, well done. Like, burnt to a crisp by that point.

[Host]

Honestly, that's scary.

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[Host]

Very particular where I travel now because certain countries, you tweet something, you get arrested. Yeah. People that have landed in certain places and stuff, they said on a podcast gets brought up in the interrogation room. That's the reality.

[Amy]

Tucker Carlson. Right. Trying to leave.

[Host]

Yeah. What are your thoughts on that? Because I saw mixed things on that. There was a video of him hugging someone. I don't know if you saw that,

[Amy]

but no, the hug, I'm not. But what. From my understanding, he went out there for the interview with Huckabee.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And the. The conversation was interesting. I mean, Huckabee responded in a way that you would expect him to respond to a lot of things. I think Tucker definitely had a few gotcha moments when it came to Netanyahu and his lineage and what they would technically define as a Jewish or an Israeli person. I think he made some interesting points there. But the political persecution of him, then being detained at the airport for a period of time so they could lecture him, interrogate him about why he was there. It's like, I'm here for an Interview, dude, what do you think this is? But you're right, it's scary. Like there's only so many places in the world that truly have free speech. The UK has locked up. I believe it's 1200 people now for posts. And in Australia now it's becoming more and more frequent. That's why I definitely think, without a shadow of a doubt, the Bondi shooting was a false flag. They use that to push these anti Semitism laws.

[Host]

I really hope the US doesn't get to that point. Yeah, I mean, they're locked up.

[Amy]

Yeah. They were already saying that they're looking to like revoke visas and, and things like this from people who are legally in the US for speaking out. So it can be. It's a little bit scary, but yeah, hopefully it doesn't progress fully to that stage.

[Host]

Yeah, I feel like censorship's the first step and that can get to that for sure.

[Amy]

Digital IDs as well. Yeah, that's scary. Australia's implementing a digital ID. UK is implementing a digital ID. And these are just mechanisms to check on the quote, unquote, anti Semitism and things like this.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah, that's scary. Digital IDs, digital dollar they're talking about.

[Amy]

Yeah, CBDCs and digital IDs. Once those two things kind of form together, you have the perfect system that underpins a social credit score, which is exactly what Communist China does. Holy crap. Sorry. Like, literally, America is the last free country. And, you know, we have our constitution, we have the rights here, the right to free speech, the right to bear arms. These are things that are meant to protect against these tyrannies from being enacted here.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

So people just need to consistently assert their rights. They need to know their rights and they need to not cower when they try to take them away from us.

[Host]

Absolutely. Yeah. I know people forgot about mass surveillance, but I think it's already here. You saw with the ring doorbell incident the other week. Oh, you didn't see that? They had some footage of some crime being committed on a ring doorbell and they were able to access the person's ring and get the footage and then

[Amy]

I think without their permission.

[Host]

Yeah, I think that person got in trouble.

[Amy]

Dang. I mean, even when you go to the airport and they're like, you know, you hand over your boarding pass and they ask to take your picture.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

It's like, why? You guys literally have like 100 cameras. Yeah, 100 cameras right there. Right. Why do you need it? Honestly, even the real ID thing that they're trying to do? At the airport is kind of like a first step towards a digital id. I know that people like Thomas Massey have been very outspoken about it, about trying to prevent it from being enacted. They couldn't get all the states to agree with it, which is why they kept push, pushing it back. Pretty much since I've been in the states, when I go to the airport, you see the signs that are like, digital ID is not digital id, Sorry, real ID is here. You need to have your real id, otherwise you won't be able to travel by X state. And then it kept getting pushed back to push back and push back because

[Host]

no one was getting it.

[Amy]

Well, yeah, exactly, because the states were refusing to comply with it because in a lot of ways it isn't fully constitutional.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah, it was so annoying. They were shoving that down our throats and I didn't see the need for it.

[Amy]

Yeah, well, once that becomes fully enacted, then that's essentially kind of like a trial run for a real digital id, like the ones that they're enforcing in Australia and, and the uk and they always start off by saying like, oh, it's, you know, it's not mandatory. It's up to you. It's completely voluntary. And then they'll slowly start making it mandatory, first in the private sector and then eventually it moves to the public sector as well. Like in Australia, if you're a business owner and you don't have a digital id, you'll, you'll be fined to the tunes of tens, potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars. Well, in the uk, Keir Starmer said that if you don't have digital ID that you won't be able to work without it by 2029, I believe.

[Host]

Holy crap.

[Amy]

So, yeah, there's a huge push towards all of that right now.

[Host]

So this next election is really important then.

[Amy]

Absolutely, for sure.

[Host]

Wow.

[Amy]

I mean, all over the world, the elections are really important. But again, America is. They set the standard. So if America starts being subservient and they start accepting these more dystopian technologies and polic, then it's going to be even easier for these other countries. They won't even need to say, in 2029, you know, we're going to implement this, it'll be like, no, it's right here, right now because they'll follow suit with the United States. So we need to try to kick that can down the road for as long as possible. And if we can just say no altogether, prevent it from even starting up, because that's, it's not just for the freedom of the people in America, but the freedom of the west overall.

[Host]

Well, Fuentes is too young to run right now, so who are you gonna be keeping an eye on? I know it's early, but it's not.

[Amy]

We don't really have any good options. Don't like Rubio, don't like Vance. I would say Massey, if Massey would run. Yeah.

[Host]

I can't think of many good options, to be honest.

[Amy]

Yeah. And there's even things about Massie that I don't. I'm not 100 on board with, but

[Host]

I think everyone at that level is compromised in a certain way.

[Amy]

Yeah, I mean, he seems to have done a really good job in recent times. Like, he. He reads every single bill. He did push through the Epstein files Transparency act, and it's something that we didn't think that we would be able to see at all. And he got that pushed through, which was pretty impressive. But I kind of messed up on the Epstein thing. Honestly, I don't know what to think anymore. I just did a deeper dive and my brain is.

[Host]

There's so many files.

[Amy]

Yeah, and it's not just that. It's, you know, when you look into a lot of the people who are purported to be victims, you know, you have Robson, her first name's escaping me right now. The woman who was on the super bowl commercial, she was up at Capitol Hill. People like Virginia Giuffre, they actually were the ones who were doing a lot of the trafficking. This is all available in the court transcripts. They recruited the majority of the girls that were actually brought to Epstein island, many of them who are underage. And this is a matter of fact, it's a matter of court record. But that's not really the narrative that people are sharing right now, because it's not in alignment with this broader, more grandiose claim that, you know, he was running this Mossad funded, CIA funded blackmail ring to blackmail all of the politicians. It's like when you start talking about the girls who were. Were victims in there being some of the people who actually caused many of these young women to suffer, who actually brought them onto the island. And Grant, like, you know, people always call you like a victim blamer and a victim shamer. Yeah, I don't want to do that. I'm sure there was a level of, like, psychological turmoil that they were dealing with, maybe some Stockholm syndrome. You don't know what mental tactics were deployed on them in order to make them recruit these other girls. But the fact of the matter is they did most of the recruiting. The people who are seen as the poster victims for Epstein actually recruited the majority of the women who were 14, 16, 17. The actual underage girls, Gave them makeup, gave them clothes to make them appear older, told them to tell Epstein that they were over the age of 18.

[Host]

Wow.

[Amy]

Polygraph tests can be faked. They're not 100 accurate. But Epstein did take a polygraph test that said he believed that the girls were over the age of 18. And he passed it. Yeah. This is all available in the original court documents. The, like, original ones before he. Before he died. Died.

[Host]

Okay, he's in.

[Amy]

What do you think about that? Did you see the. The prostate thing?

[Host]

I heard about that one. I saw the Fortnite thing. I saw the Israel thing.

[Amy]

Well, the prostate thing is the only thing that I really believe, because, you know, a lot of the pictures, they could be AI. It's so hard to tell what's real and not when it comes to AI. And then. Same as the Fortnite thing, I'm not sure.

[Host]

I think someone just. Just figured out his password and then trolled everyone and logged in from Israel, probably. Yeah, that's what I heard.

[Amy]

But in the autopsy, it said that he had. What was the exact quote? I think they said an unremarkable prostate or something. They. They made some reference for his prostate. Right. Epstein is on record saying that he had his prostate removed. So that's why he's. There's emails that came out that are confirmed emails from him saying that he needed to take more testosterone, he needed to acquire more testosterone because he had his prostate removed. But in the autopsy report, they commented on his prostate. So does he have a prostate or does he not have a prostate? And so, to me, that's the most compelling possible piece of evidence as to he may still be alive. I haven't really seen anything where I'm like, okay, this could be real. Like, everything is questionable when it comes to the age of, you know, AI. Yeah, but this. This one thing, like, it's definitely on the autopsy report that he does have one, and it's definitely in the emails that he himself said that he had it removed.

[Host]

Also, his brother has gone on multiple shows and said he never got to see the body, and he's, like, really weirded out by it.

[Amy]

Yeah, there's that as well.

[Host]

His own family couldn't see the body.

[Amy]

Yeah. Yeah. I think he actually went on the PBD podcast. He had to have his face blurred out. I don't know if he does that in every podcast that He.

[Host]

Now he doesn't, but. Yeah, I know he used to. Yeah. That's crazy.

[Amy]

So it's questionable for sure. I don't know whether he's alive or dead.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Maybe we'll never know with that one. But I think the. The whole thing, it's definitely. You need to hold up the evidence with a little bit more scrutiny. We live in a world of, like, clickbait and engagement farming, where people have incentives to put out the most sensational things in order to drive revenue, in order to drive clicks.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And again, people don't want to be called a victim blamer or a victim shamer. But when you take a further look into some of these things, you see that the people who are propped up as heroes are actually some of the conspirators, or maybe not conspirators, but they were used to actually victimize other people.

[Host]

Yeah. I mean, that's what happened to Steve Bannon. Right. He kind of is seen as someone that betrayed Trump now after what he got exposed for in the files.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

A lot of people thought he was a hero. Crazy. Same with Bill Gates. I grew up idolizing Bill Gates. Wanted to become rich and successful like him.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Disgusted by what I'm seeing about him.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Crazy.

[Amy]

It is crazy. It is crazy. It's. The other thing is, though, a lot of the reports about other people, they've come from, like, anonymous tips as well. Like, a lot of them, they. They aren't really tra. Like, even the Prince Andrew thing. Right. And actually, I should probably correct the record on this, because I spoke out about this at the rally with Fishback that, you know, I was so happy that he was arrested. How come there's justice coming from the UK but no justice here in the United States?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

I didn't know at the time. I just found that out the same day. I hadn't looked into it, done any further research. He wasn't arrested for anything to do with sexual impropriety. It had nothing to do with his, like, sexual abuse in the Epstein files whatsoever.

[Host]

I just assume it was.

[Amy]

No, everyone did. And nobody is actually putting out, like, a real statement with what it actually is, because it's not a sensational headline, because it's not clickable. It's not searchable. It's not what people like. People want the confirmation bias of the narrative that they already believe.

[Host]

True.

[Amy]

He was arrested for releasing trade secrets actually in. So it was financial impropriety, not sexual impropriety. But people are like, justice for Virginia Giuffre, you know, but it had nothing to do with any of her, you know, alleged claims about him. It had nothing to do with any of that. It was all tied to the financial crimes, actually.

[Host]

That's where governments draw the line, I guess, when you're revealing secrets. But you can. Yeah, kids, do whatever else you want. Apparently, John Kiriakou exposed this, too. Former CIA.

[Amy]

Yep.

[Host]

Crazy. At least some CEOs are stepping down, I noticed.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Host]

In United States companies, a couple big ones stepped down.

[Amy]

Yeah. I'm glad that there has at least been some kind of social shame surrounding these things. Even if there aren't any types of arrests, I think for sure there's a bunch in there that warrants further investigation.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

I just don't think people should be blindly believing narratives that come from, like, anonymous tips or from a lot of fake emails and fake. Like, have you noticed all the fake files that came out? Like, people are literally sharing things like, oh, they eat people. And it's literally a screenshot from a horror movie from the 60s. So. Of a person up on a table, like. Like kind of bent down like a chicken, like, all cooked and burned. It's like, no, that's not even real. That's from a horror movie in the 60s. So I think that there's honestly almost been a deliberate push to put people's brains into overdrive about all of this stuff to the point where they think it's so gory and so gruesome and so terrible that they're actually unwilling to go through and look through the real files because they're automatically kind of creating a filtration process where it's like, all these people, they don't have a strong enough stomach to be able to go through it by releasing a lot of fake files, by pushing a lot of fake narratives.

[Host]

That's what I wonder. Because they strategically. Strategically released 3 million. So I wonder why didn't they release all of them? Just a little test. Right. Psyop. See how people react.

[Amy]

Yeah, for sure.

[Host]

Who knows if they'll ever release the rest.

[Amy]

Yeah. I think that there was probably even, to an extent, some, like, marching orders given to the establishment rights, saying that, you know, come out and just say, this is all about a satanic, cannibalistic ring, you know?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Versus what it could be, what I believe it could be, which is possibly a Mossad operation or CIA operation. Blackmail operation. Yes. Doesn't mean they weren't real victims. There absolutely were. Doesn't mean it's not a sensational story. It absolutely is. Doesn't mean that Epstein isn't a creep. He absolutely is. But I think that there's a push to make it seem a lot more sensational than what it is.

[Host]

Definitely agreed. Yeah. But a lot of credible people are taking the Mossad angle lately. Yeah, that seems to be the number one theory that I've seen.

[Amy]

Yeah, There was a lot in the emails about CIA and about Mossad and CIA. Mossad is essentially one of the same. My opinion nowadays.

[Host]

Yeah. What, what's next for you, though? What's the main focus from here?

[Amy]

Just doing a little bit more of this, I would say. You know, I definitely, I never really had the opportunity to go out and talk to more people and do more collaborations because was working a 9 to 6 job and then had like a brief 2 hour filming window per week to actually make content. So I didn't really get the chance to collaborate, didn't really get the chance to travel. So that's a big focus. But I'm also getting married here very soon. Yes. And babies. Babies. As soon as possible. Yeah. Kind of getting a little bit on the older side. So, you know, we want to have at least two to three.

[Host]

I'm the same way. Two to three?

[Amy]

Yeah. Well, when I first met my fiance, and he's a little bit younger than me when I first met him, he, when we were friends even, he would always say, like, I want like eight kids.

[Host]

Wow.

[Amy]

Nine kids. And then we started dating and I'm like, you realize that when we get married, like, I can't give you eight, nine kids. Right. Like, I'm kind of old. Yeah, I can't. Yeah, exactly. Unless I like, like, what's that woman who would like eight, like all at once? Yeah. Right. So, yeah, the goal is we definitely get married probably next month, actually.

[Host]

Nice.

[Amy]

We're not even going to do the whole big wedding party thing or anything like that. We're just going to probably elope and just start our lives as soon as possible. Yeah. Use that money to just, you know, have kids, set up a life, really plant some roots. Sarasota for a year for sure, for collaborations. And then after that we're traveling more and doing more content and really, you know, more than anything, just like being mission focused. Like we're on a. We're on a mission to collaborate with people and to really spread a message that, you know, Christ first, above everything, but then America first when it comes to patriotism and, you know, giving back to this nation that's given so much to all the people who live here, you know, whether they were born here or whether they call this place home after living 10 years for people like myself. And it's unfortunately a counter narrative to everything that culture is telling us. You know, they don't want you to have kids. They don't want you to talk about Jesus. They don't want you to talk about America first. And all of the forces, both political and spiritual, that oppose those things. So we're putting that at the center of absolutely everything that we do. Gonna try to have some babies and. Yeah, just the mission. And touch some grass as much as possible between all of that, because I think we all forget that, like, all this stuff isn't real life. Right. Like.

[Host]

Like, it is echo chambers.

[Amy]

Yeah, but there are a lot of echo chambers, and a lot of people are so terminally online, so important to just get out there and. And touch some grass. So whatever, like, political content I consume, I try to do, like, an equal amount in, like, you know, Bible personal development, like, putting good information into my brain to kind of counteract it, because otherwise. Yeah, you have to be so intentional about doing that, because you won't naturally. That isn't, like, natural proclivity as human beings.

[Host]

You know, when I scroll on Twitter a little too long, I gotta pop an audiobook.

[Amy]

Yeah, exactly. You. You literally, like, spiritually, it's important. Like, energetically, it's important, like, you really start to feel the weight of that, and then it bleeds into every single aspect of your life.

[Host]

So, absolutely. You know, we'll link your YouTube below, your rumble and all your other links. Thanks for coming on.

[Amy]

Yeah, thanks for having me.

[Host]

Check her out, guys. I'll see you next time.

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