Wade Martin: Former Top Producer Exposes the Dark Side of Fame, Sex & the Music Industry | DSH #1643

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Digital Social Hour – Wade Martin: Former Top Producer Exposes the Dark Side of Fame, Sex & the Music Industry | DSH #1643

Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Wade Martin (Former Producer, DJ, Studio Owner)
Date: November 27, 2025
Episode Focus: A raw and unfiltered conversation with music industry veteran Wade Martin, who reveals the realities of fame, the evolution of the music business, celebrity culture, and his personal journey through addiction, burnout, and self-reinvention.

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Main Theme

This episode dives into the complex inner workings of the music industry, the changing landscape of fame, and Wade Martin’s personal battles as a top producer. Martin discusses the toxic side of celebrity culture, the erosion of artistry in music, the impact of social media, dating and sex work, and his philosophical outlook on relationships and fulfillment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Wade’s Introduction and Career

• First Podcast Appearance
  • Martin acknowledges this is his first interview ever and expresses gratitude (01:49).
  • 25 years as a music producer, started in “old school” traditions, saw the industry undergo dramatic changes.

Burnout and the Straw That Broke the Camel’s Back

• Burning Out in the Studio
  • Relates final breaking point: producing a 17-year-old influencer with 15 million followers who lacked musical credentials and creative humility.
  • "After all the things that, you know, Britney Spears put me through at the beginning of my career...I got to a point where I was like, you know what? I'm done." (02:52)
• Paid a fine to Universal Studios to walk away.

The Ego Epidemic in Entertainment

• Explains that producers become “glorified babysitters” dealing with artists' egos and unstable personalities (04:46).
• Notes celebrity culture has become more toxic and “demonic,” leading him to sever all ties with famous friends after retirement (08:25).

Industry Changes: Music Production & Technology

• Details the shift from luxurious, physical studios to home setups as technology advanced (13:01).
  • “Everyone was recording on laptops now. So the need for recording studios is basically gone bye bye.” (12:54)
• Predicts this trend early; moved to home studios well before most rivals (15:49).

Decline in Musical Quality & Passion

• Observes a quality decline as cookie-cutter production takes over and passion fades.
  • “When you look at music today…there is a definite quality decline in the production and the writing.” (16:23)
  • Contrasts the rich sound of Michael Jackson’s “Billie Jean” with contemporary hits like Justin Timberlake’s “Suit & Tie” (16:47).
• Laments the commodification and lack of originality in today’s music and content creation (18:22).

Celebrity Case Studies: Britney Spears, DMX & More

• Britney Spears
  • Reveals behind-the-scenes struggles, insecurity, and mental health issues:
    • “Brittany, she was a little nuts…very chemically imbalanced back then…A lot of times in the studio, I would…prop her self esteem up a little bit to maximize her performance…” (19:15–20:22)
• DMX
  • Calls him “the most talented rapper I’ve ever worked with…He would perform as though there was 20,000 people in front of him.” (21:36–22:32)

Money, Fame, and DJing

• Discusses pivot to DJing after seeing Calvin Harris' self-promotion model.
• Became known as “the Billboard guy” in Vegas, making up to $85k per 90-minute set (06:49–07:36).
• Notes astronomical DJ fees (e.g., Marshmello at $600k per set) and questions current nightclub viability (07:39).

Life After Music: Addiction, Reinvention, and New Ventures

• Admits to hitting a dangerous low-point post-retirement:
  • “I realized…that I was probably going to end up killing myself with hookers, cocaine, and alcohol.” (22:47)
• Found new purpose by starting a supplement business and launching a humorous, educational YouTube show (“Wade Martin’s Video Thingy”) on taboo topics (23:13–24:09).

Dating, Women, and Sex Work

• Candid about dissatisfaction with modern dating, claiming women are increasingly narcissistic due to social media validation (27:54).
  • “Women today just irk me…like, how many selfies a day do you need to post?...what’s going to end up happening is they’re going to grow old and realize that, oh crap, I’m old…It’s not going to be a happy ending for them.” (27:54)
• Asserts OnlyFans and major cities make relationships transactional and superficial (28:25-29:54).
• “I’d rather just go home and jerk off…There is no conversation there…the intelligence level is just not cultivated because they don’t need to.” (31:07–31:41)
• Discusses the economics of sex work versus traditional relationships (30:47).

Relationships, Solitude, and Personal Philosophy

• States he’s been married twice, both initiated by wives, and now prefers single life (26:26).
• Prefers male companionship for intellectual stimulation over dating (33:05).
• Explains his “no-shower” philosophy for skin health, inspired by Johnny Depp, and practices a minimalist approach to hygiene (33:35).
• Defends his choice to avoid relationships, describing it as self-empowering and freeing:
  • “I love the sport of growing old alone…That sounds like the most—the best idea ever.” (41:41)
• Says he avoids returning to England due to cultural, food, and social changes (35:41).

Reflections on Society and the Future

• Warns that politics and mass migration are changing Nevada, California, and England for the worse (36:39).
• Suggests possible future relocation to Mexico or Thailand for affordability and personal freedom (37:42).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Exchange | |-----------|----------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:52 | Wade Martin | "I was producing for Universal…she was literally telling me how to do my job…I was like, you know what? I'm done." | | 04:46 | Wade Martin | "As a music producer, you're a glorified babysitter…this becomes a nightmare over time." | | 08:25 | Wade Martin | "I've removed them [celebrities] from my life, cut them out like a cancer…celebrities are, to me, demonic." | | 13:01 | Wade Martin | "Everyone was recording on laptops now. So the need for recording studios is basically gone bye bye."| | 16:23 | Wade Martin | “When you look at music today…there is a definite quality decline in the production and the writing.”| | 19:15 | Sean | "What was it like working with Britney at the peak of her career?" | | 19:35 | Wade Martin | "People didn't realize how the poor thing was very chemically imbalanced back then…She knew she wasn’t Christina Aguilera…"| | 21:36 | Wade Martin | "DMX by far was the most talented rapper I’ve ever worked with…he would perform as though there was 20,000 people in front of him."| | 22:47 | Wade Martin | "I realized a couple months into my retirement that I was probably going to end up killing myself with hookers, cocaine, and alcohol."| | 27:54 | Wade Martin | "Women today just irk me…like, how many selfies a day do you need to post? They're so self-absorbed…" | | 31:07 | Wade Martin | "I'd rather just go home and jerk off…There is no conversation there…the intelligence level is just not cultivated…it's like talking to a white canvas."| | 41:41 | Wade Martin | "I love the sport of growing old alone…That sounds like the most—the best idea ever." |

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Noteworthy Segments & Timestamps

• Breaking Point with the Industry – [02:52]
• Celebrities as “Demonic” Influences – [08:25]
• Technological Disruption of Music Studios – [13:01]
• Britney Spears Behind the Scenes – [19:15]
• DMX Studio Stories – [21:36]
• Retirement and Hitting Rock Bottom – [22:47]
• Modern Dating, OnlyFans, & Sex Work Economics – [27:54] [30:47]
• Reflections on Singlehood and Avoiding Relationships – [41:41]
• Cultural Critique of England & Social Change – [35:41]
• Life Philosophy: Embracing Freedom – [42:05]

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Tone and Language

The conversation is unapologetically blunt, mixing cynicism with sardonic humor and flashes of vulnerability. Martin’s stories shift between war-weary industry insights, philosophical commentary on fame and relationships, and self-deprecating asides about addiction and solitude. The tone is raw, irreverent, and sometimes controversial.

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Conclusion

This episode offers an unfiltered lens into the music industry’s evolution and the corrosive effects of fame on both artists and producers. Wade Martin’s journey through excess, cynicism, and ultimate self-reinvention is told with biting honesty, making for a strikingly candid and provocative listen. Listeners come away with a clearer view of how art, technology, money, and social media have intersected to shape both the industry and personal lives—often with unintended, even bleak, consequences.

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For a full experience, catch Wade Martin’s humor and personal stories on his YouTube show, “Wade Martin’s Video Thingy.”

Transcript

[Wade Martin]

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[Wade Martin]

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[Sean]

Okay, guys, got Wade here. It's actually his first interview ever, which is pretty crazy considering all the things this man has done in his life. But thanks for choosing my platform, man.

[Wade Martin]

Well, for sure. First podcast.

[Sean]

First podcast.

[Wade Martin]

Yes, yes, yes. And I'm honored to be here. Thank you.

[Sean]

Yeah, because you've had a lot of experience, been in a lot of industries. 25 years as a music producer.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, 25.

[Sean]

That's a quarter of a decade, man.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, I know, I know. And they were painful years the whole.

[Sean]

Way through or near the later end.

[Wade Martin]

Honestly, most of it. Most of it. I had an addiction to, you know, cars, women, you know, and those things are expensive.

[Sean]

Right.

[Wade Martin]

So there was a point where I had to take on certain gigs for money. Not that I wanted to, but, you know, I was like, again, driven by, I need the nice house and nice cars and what have you. And toward the end of my career, I got to the point where I fortunately accumulated enough pennies together to where I. I didn't need to, you know, do that anymore. And I think the straw that broke the camel's back, Sean, was when I was in the studio about four or five years ago with this influencer that was. I was producing for Universal.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Wade Martin]

And she was 17 years old. I'm not going to name names, but she was 17 years old, never released a record before in her life, had, I don't know, something like 15 million followers or something like that. I don't know. Anyway, so I was in the studio with her and she was literally telling me how to do my job in the studio. And after all the things that, you know, Britney Spears put me through at the beginning of my career and all that, I was. I got to a point where I was like, you know what? I'm done. I told her I'm done. And she was like, what? And I was like, get out of the studio. I've had enough. And paid a fine to Universal Studios for not completing the contract. I was like, you know, I'm done. And that was again, the straw that broke the camel's back. I just didn't want to deal with artists anymore. And technically speaking, she wasn't an artist. She was a. She was a creator. Right. But she thought she was an artist. Like, you've not sold one record in your life. What are you doing?

[Sean]

Yeah, it's interesting with artists, they just seem to develop an ego over time, I guess, with all this success. Right. And then they take it out on the people around them.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah. Huge ego. Huge.

[Sean]

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[Wade Martin]

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[Wade Martin]

And I dealt with it for 25 years. I don't know how when I reflect back on it. Oh my gosh. I had at the patience of a saint to be able to, to put up with it. Because in essence, as a music producer, you're a glory glorified babysitter. You're, you know, that's what you're doing. You're managing the talent, you're managing the, the music, the production, the recording, and then you're managing the personality and all that sort of stuff. And this becomes a nightmare over time.

[Sean]

Yeah. Now, you were a DJ as well, right?

[Wade Martin]

Yes, yes, I was. So I want to say I'm going to be hazy on the timeline here because my memory is awful, but I remember watching Calvin Harris go from a music producer to a dj. And initially I thought that that was a sacrilege thing to do because as a music producer, I came up the old school way. You're supposed to cultivate the talent, stand behind the talent and lift the talent up. Calvin Harris flipped it. He decided that he was going to be the talent and he was going to have the singers, you know, be behind him, which was actually a genius idea because ultimately he was able to cash in on these lucrative DJ contracts. Right. So, I mean, I looked at that and I was thinking to myself, well, that's not what a music producer is supposed to do. You know, it's supposed to be, you know, Britney Spears and then the song title and he would basically have, you know, Britney Spears and then his name and then the song title or vice versa. Right. And. And then I saw these lucrative contracts and I was thinking to myself, well, the royalties of my catalog is definitely dwindling, so I need to prop up my financial situation. So I was like, well, I'm going to do the same thing. So I started marketing myself as an artist, even though I was acting as a producer. Got it. And that way I was able to secure lucrative contracts.

[Sean]

DJing smart. And you got to the point where you had 83 billboards at one time in Vegas.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was known as the Billboard guy for a few years. And you know, again, if you would have asked me 10 years prior, would I have done something like that, I would have said absolutely not because I wouldn't want the attention. But again, I was monetizing the situation and getting not like Calvin Harris money. But I think the most I got paid was like 85k for a 90 minute set. Holy crap. It's. Believe it or not, at the time Cowan House was getting. Harris was getting 400,000 for 20 minutes for a 90 minute set. Oh, 90, yes. He was getting 400,000.

[Sean]

Still insane.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah. So I was like, I'll take the 80,000, know what I mean? So it ended up working out fine.

[Sean]

Holy crap. I didn't know DJs were making that much back in the day.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think marshmallow topped out at 600,000 for a set back when chaos was around.

[Sean]

And they're doing multiple sets a day, right?

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, obviously chaos couldn't afford to pay marshmallow that. Which is why the contract ended and the whole thing imploded. But, yeah.

[Sean]

Now times have changed, though, because I just read an article that nightclubs are struggling and they can't afford DJs. Is that true?

[Wade Martin]

I don't know. When I retired four years ago, I completely disconnected myself from. You were done with anything to do with the entertainment business, honestly.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah.

[Sean]

So it messed you up that badly that you were just like, I'm scarred.

[Wade Martin]

I'm Scott. I'm Scott. To the point now where I don't have any celebrity friends anymore. I've. I've removed them from my life.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah. Almost cut them out like a cancer. I know that's a horrible, horrible judgmental thing to say, but just like, celebrities are, to me, demonic.

[Sean]

Do you think that's every single celebrity?

[Wade Martin]

Like, no, that's not fair to say. But a majority, A majority, A majority. And I think I've just got PTSD to the point where now I just don't want to be around a celebrity. I don't care if it's a movie star. I don't care if it's an artist, what have you. And a lot of people that I'm around, like, oh, we're going to go see so and so and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I'm so over it. I just don't want to do it.

[Sean]

Yeah. Yeah. I guess to get to that point of fame, you have to sell yourself out in a way, right?

[Wade Martin]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Like they call it selling your soul or whatever. And to an extent, I think it's true.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah. 100%. I mean, there are some, you know, like, for example, Paul McCartney, super sweet guy. A lot of your viewers probably won't know who that is, but Beatles again, a very huge star, super humble, very polite. Would be attentive whenever you're talking to him. Won't be like gazing off, wondering, you know, who's. Who's the next person they need to talk to?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Wade Martin]

You know what I mean? So very genuine in nature. So they do exist. But usually they're the old school people, not the new generation.

[Sean]

Did you like the fame back in the day when you were in that industry? Like, did you like being around famous people?

[Wade Martin]

That's a great question. I don't think I really thought about It. Because the way it would work is they would come to my studio and I was there to do a job. You know what I mean? So I didn't really have the luxury of indulging this, you know, oh, I'm enjoying being around this person that everyone knows, because I'm like, I'm. I'm having to make sure that the record label is happy, A and R is happy that the artist is happy, making sure that I'm doing my job correctly. I'm juggling all of these different things at the same time, so I'm not really indulging the personal feeling of, oh, this is cool. I'm working with so and so.

[Sean]

Got it. So you treated it strictly as a business.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, for the most part. Yeah.

[Sean]

Respect. Yeah. And that was probably when social media was just emerging, so it didn't matter as much, I guess, to.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, correct, correct. It was like. Because, you know, a lot of folks would ask me today, it's like, oh, do you have pictures with so and so. I was like, well, you know, 15 years ago, it wasn't like this whole selfie with a person thing. It just wasn't like that. You know what I mean? Whereas now everyone's taking a picture of everything. Oh, look, I'm eating this food. Oh, I'm taking a crap. Oh, look. You know what I mean? They're taking pictures of everything. But wasn't like that then.

[Sean]

And you had eight studios you built out. Two of them were ranked number one and number seven in the world.

[Wade Martin]

Number one. Number seven. Yeah. Not all at one time. At one time, I did have the number one ranked studio and the number seven ranked studio. The number one was here in Vegas. The other one was in Phoenix. Um. Yeah, I got into building my own recording studios. I. I liked it. I like knowing everything about, you know, the construct of where I'm recording and acoustics and all of that sort of stuff. So I was really hip to that.

[Sean]

That's interesting. I didn't know Vegas had the number one studio back in the day.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, yeah, I did. Based on sound and. Sound and. And Mix magazine's review, which. Those magazines are obsolete now.

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[Wade Martin]

Kind of like, you know, the audio file side of music is kind of obsolete also.

[Sean]

Yeah, a lot's changed.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, absolutely. Everyone was recording on laptops now. So the need for recording studios is basically gone. Bye bye.

[Sean]

Damn. So you are all those out of.

[Wade Martin]

Business now or for the most part, most of the major recording studios are gone. You know what I mean? They're not needed anymore because, well, technology, you know, I mean, crikey, it's like you can do virtually anything on a laptop now. And the power of a laptop supersedes the power of like the supercomputer that I had running my studio 10 years ago.

[Sean]

Holy crap.

[Wade Martin]

You know, it just technology.

[Sean]

Did you see that change coming at all or was it super broke? But you did?

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, I did. I saw the change coming in the early 2000s, actually. I had a, a commercial studio that I built in Beverly Hills across from the Beverly center, actually. And I was getting quarter of a million dollar contracts roughly from most of the major record labels to record an album. Yeah, which, you know, your viewers probably won't know what an album is. An album is a collection of usually, you know, 10 to 16 songs, you know, that would be called an album. Again, I'm trying to educate here. So what happened was my lucrative contracts for doing these albums and I was probably netting, I don't know, maybe like 120, $130,000. So I was, my, my profit margin was good. But what happened was almost overnight, these same record labels were farming out album deals to me and they're like, you know, would you take $80,000? So from quarter of a million dollars to all of a sudden $80,000, what was happening was these click producers that were using at the time GarageBand and all of this other, these other platforms were in essence doing pre production in their bedrooms. And these record labels saw this as an opportunity to. Because obviously pre production when you're creating song ideas, a lot of time gets spent in pre production that got, you know, sucked up by these kids in bedrooms, which, you know, caused the record labels to think, aha, you know, we're going to improve our P and L and make our shareholders happy by reducing our cost of, of production by using these kits. And I was like, shit. My lease at, at the time was, I think it was like $70,000 a month, $60,000 a month, something like that. And I was like, well, I mean that overhead is not that bad when you're doing a couple of quarter million dollar deals a month. I mean, so not that bad. But I looked at this and I talked to my, you know, fellow record recording studio buddies. I was like, guys, I see the rising on the wall. This is going to get worse. As technology improves, these kids are going to become more and more proficient and are going to be able to undercut us to the point where we're not going to be able to sustain our overheads. So I immediately got rid of the studio and I started building recording studios in my home. So I brought down my overhead.

[Sean]

Wow, that's smart. Because a lot of people wouldn't look at it objectively.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, I mean, I just saw it as getting worse. And even at that time in the early 2000s, the quality was becoming greatly diminished, which you can understand because like you go from being in a studio with very talented writers in a multimillion dollar studio and you're doing this pre production, the quality is going to be vastly superior than a kid that's playing with Fruity Loops, like, you know, mashing things together.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Wade Martin]

You know what I mean? I mean it's just, it's just a matter of time before the love and the passion gets taken out of music. So like when you look at music today and kind of sound like a old guy here, but when you look at music today, there is a definite quality decline in the production and the writing.

[Sean]

I agree. Music today just doesn't hit the same. Nope, I don't get that emotional connection anymore.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, I remember when, and I'm a, I'm a big Justin Timberlake fan. I remember when Justin Timberlake sent me a rough version of his suit and tie record. It was 10 years ago. I forget again, don't quote me on the timeline of things. So he sent this over to me and I thought it was extraordinarily creative. I liked it, but the sound was very two dimensional. It sounded like shit basically. And I told him that. I was like, you know, just do me a favor. Compare the sound quality of Michael Jackson's Billie Jean to the sound quality of Soon Tie. And for anyone listening or watching this podcast, I do the same thing. Billie Jean sounds like this, right? And suit and Tie sounds like this, except Billie Jean came out like almost 40 years prior. So you would hope and you would think because of the advancement of time, the sound quality is going to be much better.

[Sean]

Yeah, no, interesting.

[Wade Martin]

Yep.

[Sean]

It's that worse. That much worse.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, yeah, technology has an advance to that and the consumer really doesn't demand like the highest quality audio because the consumer's ears has basically been. Is deteriorated systematically over time. There's not that expectation of this million dollar wall of sound coming at you. You know what I mean?

[Sean]

That is very interesting. Yeah. Music industry changed a lot, man. That's all I got to say. I don't even think you listen to any modern music based off what you're saying.

[Wade Martin]

I don't, I don't. It's more music today. It's again, it's very sterile. There's a lack of love and passion behind it. Everything is, is beyond cookie cutter. And everyone is chasing a, a formula, a trend. Right. No one is doing something just because they feel like doing something, you know, and like whenever I go online and even when I look at, you know, podcasts or whatever it is, you know, everyone's rinse and repeat, they're doing the same thing and copying the same trend and. And no one's really thinking for themselves creatively like they used to.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah. Even with podcasts, a lot of people share the same 10, 25 guests, you know, they just do the circuit, you know, the same interview over and over. I agree with that. What was it like working with Britney at the peak of her career? Britney Spears?

[Wade Martin]

It was, it was challenging because, you know, Brittany, she was a little nuts. Well, she's still a little nuts, but, you know, I got to see the nuts behind the closed door at that time. People didn't realize how the poor thing was very chemically imbalanced back then.

[Sean]

Oh, so even back then.

[Wade Martin]

Oh, yeah, very much so. But she had Jamie, her father, and Larry Rudolph, the manager. Her manager had her under lock and key, you know, didn't allow her to demonstrate, you know, how her personality can be or could be. And in the studio with her was very challenging because she knew this is to her credit. She knew that she wasn't a Christina Aguilera. She knew she wasn't a vocal talent, you know, so A lot of times in the studio, I would like have to prop her self esteem up a little bit to maximize her performance, get the best out of her.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, there was a lot of insecurity there and granted, because like, you know, she's been pushed and pulled her out throughout her entire life, so, you know, there's going to be self esteem issues that exist there.

[Sean]

That's interesting. Man, I did not know she was dealing with self esteem issues.

[Wade Martin]

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the poor thing, because she.

[Sean]

Was like one of the most iconic singers back in the day.

[Wade Martin]

100%. 100%, you know, and very bubbly personality and what have you. And. But yeah, but then again, when you really get down to it, Sean, most of these artists, I want to say, I'm not going to put a number on it, but I'm going to put a number. 99 of artists are probably insecure.

[Sean]

Really?

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, absolutely. And they act out and treat people like crap because they're, you know, they're insecure.

[Sean]

That is nuts. Yeah. I mean, you've worked with some of the biggest. 50 Cent, DMX, R. Kelly, Rolling Stones, Snoop Dogg, Coolio, the list goes on. You've seen it all.

[Wade Martin]

I have, I have. And nothing surprises me anymore.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah. Holy crap. Dmx. I still bump once in a while.

[Wade Martin]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. DMX by far was the most talented rapper I've ever worked with.

[Sean]

Really?

[Wade Martin]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. The guy had a lot of demons, obviously, but yeah, the most talented rapper I've ever worked with, hands down. I mean, I remember when he first got in the booth, he was just doing like a demo in my studio and it was in my Phoenix studio. I had to adjust the microphone and compression so many times because he would perform as though there was 20,000 people in front of him. To say that he was giving it all is an understatement. And it was challenging to record him because, like, he was all over the place. And this was just a demo and a lot of it, you know. So for example, he just wrote this down and he would just, you know, spit it out, you know what I mean? And he could be like, he could have been like high and drunk and he would still deliver the most amazing performance.

[Sean]

You could feel the emotion in his music.

[Wade Martin]

Oh, God. Yeah, yeah. Dmx, hands down.

[Sean]

Before my basketball games, I bump DMX to get angry.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He has that effect, doesn't he?

[Sean]

Yeah, he does great at that. Now you're working on. So you retired four years ago now. You're working on your own show, right?

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, that's one of the things that I'm doing. I mean, when I retired four years ago and I was done with the entertainment business, I realized a couple of months into my retirement that I was probably going to end up killing myself with hookers, cocaine, and alcohol.

[Sean]

Damn.

[Wade Martin]

I mean, yeah, I was doing every single day, doing those things every single day. And I was, hey, this is not going to be good for my health. So I need to find some purpose, Right?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Wade Martin]

So I started building this new company called Cheetah Eater, which is a potent digestive enzyme. And I. I wanted to do something to scale a business like some of my buddies that have done. So in, like, business, I was like, well, you know, I can do that. And it brought purpose to my life because, like, I had something to manage, something to build, you know? And then recently, I've started my own show that I'm calling Wade Martin's Video Thingy. And again, I'm. I'm doing that for fun. Like, I don't really care if anyone watches it or not, but, like, I wanted to do something educational and humorous and at the same time.

[Sean]

Yeah. First episode was about coke. Yeah.

[Wade Martin]

Cocaine. Second episode, anal. Third episode. Third episode is going to be about foreskin.

[Sean]

And what. What goes into these, like, your own personal stories with it.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, personal stories, educational stuff, history of stuff. You know what I mean? Like the anal one. Like, I, like, do a demonstration of how to. How to douche your bottom and stuff like that. Just like, you know, just having fun, having a laugh. You know what I mean? That's what it really boils down to.

[Sean]

But.

[Wade Martin]

But, you know, I do spend a considerable amount of time on chat gdp, making sure that the information that I'm sharing is accurate. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I'm, you know, you know, screwing around, but I'm making sure that I'm providing factual information because, like, I don't know how to douche your bottom. You know what I mean? So I was like, well, I'm going to look this up and do a demonstration of how to douche your bottom. You know, need to watch it. Yeah. And then, so. And then the. Another episode, the fourth one's going to be about lesbians.

[Sean]

Okay.

[Wade Martin]

And. Oh, my gosh, that's a rabbit hole.

[Sean]

Lesbians.

[Wade Martin]

Oh, my God. Yeah. Like, I didn't realize how complex women are until I. I delved into this lesbian topic, and apparently there's 15 different types of lesbians.

[Sean]

What?

[Wade Martin]

And I break them down and Then I break down the kind of toys that they use when they're diddling themselves and what have you. Yeah. So again, I'm just having fun with it.

[Sean]

Fifteen types of lesbians. That's insane.

[Wade Martin]

I know, right?

[Sean]

I just found out the divorce rate of lesbians. It's pretty high.

[Wade Martin]

Is it? What is it?

[Sean]

I don't want to like get canceled, but I think it was. I'll just say this. It was higher than male, female.

[Wade Martin]

Really.

[Sean]

It was much higher.

[Wade Martin]

So what I uncovered, which I share in the show, is lesbians. Their intercourse lasts twice the length of time than a heterosexual couple.

[Sean]

Wow, that makes sense though.

[Wade Martin]

It does, it does. I guess that's not surprising, per se. I mean, you know, because they're. The bits are a little bit smaller so they got, you know, it's harder to do. Right. But yeah, I didn't know about the divorce rate. I probably because I've not. I've not shot my fourth episode, the lesbian one, yet. Yeah, probably should.

[Sean]

Yeah. Look into that. I think gays were. If you do one on gays, I think they had the least divorces.

[Wade Martin]

Interesting. Really?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Wade Martin]

Well, because like, men are a little bit more practical even whether. Whether they're gay or not. They're a little bit more practical and.

[Sean]

You know, well, woman initiate. I think like 80 of the divorces. Something like that.

[Wade Martin]

Wow.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Wade Martin]

Okay.

[Sean]

It's pretty high. Have you been married?

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, twice.

[Sean]

And did they initiate it?

[Wade Martin]

Yes.

[Sean]

See?

[Wade Martin]

Yes.

[Sean]

See?

[Wade Martin]

Never getting married again. I've been single and we'll stay single for a little over 10 years now.

[Sean]

Two marriages will do it. Yeah, my dad got married twice.

[Wade Martin]

No, I'm. I'm not a relationship guy.

[Sean]

Yeah. Well, I was going to ask you because you mentioned hookers earlier. Why would someone with your status. But now it makes sense because you.

[Wade Martin]

Would just, I mean, you know, you pay them to go away.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Wade Martin]

You know what I mean?

[Sean]

So you're just sick of dating, so you just hire them for convenience sake?

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, yeah, for the most part. I mean, I mean, now I don't really do a hooker thing much anymore, quite frankly. And the reason is because women today just irk me. They really do. I mean, women have always had a tendency of being a little bit narcissistic, The. The pretty ones especially. But today women are just beyond narcissistic. Like, how many selfies a day do you need to post? You know what I mean? They're so self absorbed and, you know, like. And I feel sorry for them because what's going to end up happening is they're going to grow old and realize that, oh crap, I'm old. And they're going to lose their value to the men that have been, you know, taking them on trips, giving them money or have you. So it's not going to be a happy ending for them. But if we're going to be honest, men are the. The primary cause because men are allowing this behavior, you know, I mean, because like, you know, these women are posting all of these selfies and men are providing all of this validation vis a vis comments, dms and what have you. And what that does is it. It screws it up for men. Right. Because these women think that, oh my gosh, we got all this attention. They feel like a quasi celebrity. They're just not, you know what I mean? They're just getting attention, which is completely artificial and lesser cotton socks, they're going to suffer in the end.

[Sean]

Yeah, I think only fans played a major role too.

[Wade Martin]

Oh, for sure. Especially when co happened, you know, dancers stopped dancing and they were doing the. The only fans thing and like making more. Yeah, absolutely. Are making more, you know, and it's bred this culture to where women are like these quasi celebrities in their mind, which, which is very damaging to, you know, their. Well, like to have a healthy relationship with someone like that because they've always got another option, you know what I mean? They may be in a somewhat healthy relationship and he may piss her off and be like, well, I've got all these other opportunities. I can just do this. And with this guy. And this guy's offering to fly me to Dubai, this guy's offer, offering to fly me to Jamaica, whatever, you know what I mean? And then again, a quality relationship becomes very difficult for a woman to. To maintain. And same with men.

[Sean]

I heard it's real tough dating in major cities.

[Wade Martin]

Oh, big time. Again. Because you got more options, don't you? Yeah, you know what I mean? Especially when you're in a superficial city like this one, like Las Vegas or Los Angeles, you know what I mean? Like, you go to the superficial ones, it's virtually impossible. So, like, so again, so back to hookers. So hookers, like, you know, I remember 20 years ago, 25 years ago. Yes. I'm dating myself. Like, there was a lot more humility with a hooker, you know what I mean? And there was a lot more eagerness to please.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Wade Martin]

Whereas the hookers today, they. They like the women on Instagram, but worse.

[Sean]

It's transactional.

[Wade Martin]

Absolutely. It's, you know, transactional to the point where, like, you know, I've got 20 other people behind you as much, you know what I mean? So I don't really, I don't really need to be nice, you know what I mean? I don't really care, you know what I mean? Just give me the money and let's do the thing and then that's it. Like another thing that blows my mind is a lot of women that aren't hookers, they expect to be paid to go out to dinner because men are offering them money to go out to dinner. I refuse to do that. I'm not going to go out and spend $500 on, on a dinner for you and then give you another $500 to come on to come to dinner with me. I mean, that's ridiculous. But men are consistently doing it, especially in markets like, you know, Vegas and LA and New York.

[Sean]

Yeah. My dad, after the divorce, he went down the hooker rabbit hole and he was showing me his spreadsheets on how he's actually making money. Because when you factor in the dinners and the ring and everything.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah.

[Sean]

You actually make way more money because also the time, because you're, you're spending way less time.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, for sure.

[Sean]

So it's an interesting lifestyle and quite frankly.

[Wade Martin]

And again, I'm not really doing the hooker thing anymore because again, I'm, I'm irked. I'd rather just go home and jerk off. Quite frank. Yeah, it's a lot more convenient. I save a lot more money. Not so much. It's not so much of money. It's, it's like, you know, dealing with these women and like there is no conversation there.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Wade Martin]

Because they, they're not able to develop any form of. I'm going to be careful with how I say this. The intelligence level is just not cultivated because they don't need to. Intelligence, like develop that kind of intelligence.

[Sean]

They don't train it.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, they don't need to. They don't need to. So it's like, you know, it's like talking to a white canvas.

[Sean]

Well, my next guest, after you, who you'll meet is he makes companion robots.

[Wade Martin]

Oh, okay, perfect.

[Sean]

So if you want to spend 125.

[Wade Martin]

Grand on that, I'll save money.

[Sean]

He said, because I think 40 of men in my generation are virgins. So he said this industry is going to be like a multi billion dollar industry. Wow. Companion robots.

[Wade Martin]

I believe it. I believe it. Because again, women are driving men away and men are allowing it to happen.

[Sean]

Yeah. Only the top guys now are getting laid. Like 40% isn't that crazy? That is ridiculous. Like, your generation had to be way lower. Probably like 10, 20%.

[Wade Martin]

For sure. For sure. You know, I just, you know, I prefer women of my generation at that time, but now they've got baggage and wrinkles, mileage.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Wade Martin]

You know what I mean? So it's like, you know, it's just not as, it's not as appealing as it once was.

[Sean]

Yeah. That's nuts, man. Yeah. Well, good luck in your dating life.

[Wade Martin]

Thank you.

[Sean]

I'm glad. I met my girl eight years ago.

[Wade Martin]

Oh, really? You have a girl for eight years.

[Sean]

Before we, before all the dating apps, all the only frame stuff? Yeah.

[Wade Martin]

Wow.

[Sean]

I think Tinder, like, just came out when we met.

[Wade Martin]

Okay, fantastic.

[Sean]

Yeah. So she was not poisoned or programmed or.

[Wade Martin]

Wow.

[Sean]

A lot of women these days are misled and misguided.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, that's a beautiful.

[Sean]

And men, you know, it goes both ways.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, like I said, like, when I go out of a weekend, I rather, you know, hang out with a couple of my close guy buddies. I don't even go out with women on. I don't go out with women. I really don't. I know that sounds crazy because I was a certifiable man whore at one point. I was, I was. But now I'm so irked by women, I just want to hang out with my guys, hang out and just, you know, have intellectual conversations.

[Sean]

I feel that. When you go out, do you, do you shower beforehand?

[Wade Martin]

I only, I shower like three or four times a week, give or take. Give or take. I, I, I picked this up from Johnny Depp, actually, and what he said was quite logical. So when you shower, you, you basically you're washing away the natural oils of your skin. Right. And those oils are genetically heat on your skin to help preserve your skin and protect your skin. So when you wash those away, you dry out your skin. Right. So I was like, okay, that's interesting. So I decided to develop this no showering policy. But I do the pap thing, you know, I coined it myself, you know, so I'll, you know, wash the pussy, ass and pits, you know what I mean? You know, but the skin, like my skin on my face and my overall body, maintain that. And I will admit that Donnie was definitely onto something in terms of my skin. Health is much better than it was.

[Sean]

That's interesting.

[Wade Martin]

Absolutely.

[Sean]

Yeah. Well, also, the water has terrible stuff in it.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, absolutely. That's another factor, too, especially in, in Las Vegas. So, you know, I look at these women that, you know, shower A couple of times a day.

[Sean]

Right.

[Wade Martin]

And they've got all of the skin care and what have you, but you're still, you know, scraping away your natural oils in your skin, regardless of what you're applying onto your skin after the fact, you're, you know, you're, you know, tearing up your skin.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah. I'm not a fan of makeup.

[Wade Martin]

Oh, yeah. And that's the worst, too.

[Sean]

I don't like it.

[Wade Martin]

Like, if you ever wonder why, you know, like, a guy with a bar of soap ends up looking better than a. A woman that looks after their skin religiously. You know what I mean?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Wade Martin]

I mean, yeah, there's a genetic component, but there is also the component that, you know, men care less, so therefore, they maintain more natural oils on their skin, which helps them from a aging standpoint also.

[Sean]

Yeah. You go back to England ever?

[Wade Martin]

No, I don't like England. Really don't like it.

[Sean]

Why?

[Wade Martin]

Bad food, bad weather. There's no English people there anymore. You know, not saying that I've got anything against immigrants, but there's absolutely nothing good about England whatsoever. Natural fact. My mom was just there visiting her sisters for her sister's birthday, and my mom 80, she basically said, I'm never going back to England ever again. And heard her say that that was a major turn. So for me, I said it 25 years ago. I'm never going back to it. Jeez.

[Sean]

Because I'm a quarter British and I. My dad was born there.

[Wade Martin]

Oh. Yeah.

[Sean]

So I. I can claim citizenship, but it doesn't look like the spot to be right now.

[Wade Martin]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just not a fan at all.

[Sean]

It doesn't seem safe, man.

[Wade Martin]

Oh, well, I mean, that's another component, too.

[Sean]

I mean, the videos I'm seeing are, like, really concerning, so I'll pass for now. Hopefully they get their in order.

[Wade Martin]

Well, I'll probably know.

[Sean]

Seems like Cali over there. Yeah.

[Wade Martin]

It's a runaway train.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Wade Martin]

You know, and same with California. I haven't seen California recovering either.

[Sean]

Not under Newsom.

[Wade Martin]

No.

[Sean]

There's no way.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah. Well, I mean, at the end. At the end of the day, you got to factor in, you know, it was the populace elected Newsom. Right. So whether Newsom is in power or not, you got to understand that the people are electing these idiots, you know what I mean? So it's like they're probably going to elect another idiot. You know what I mean? Like, San Francisco, like, it's been run into the ground by politicians that were elected by the people of San Francisco. So, you know, unless you, you know, get rid of the people and bring in new people and then the same argument could be had with regard to Las Vegas. You got so many people from California coming to Las Vegas, which is going to influence Las Vegas politics also. And we'll see how that plays out.

[Sean]

We'll see. It does seem like it's more and more blue people out here these days.

[Wade Martin]

Yep, absolutely.

[Sean]

Damn, that would not be good. You plan on staying here for a bit?

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, I think so. I like the convenience factor. Like I can get a beer and a ribeye at 3:00 in the morning.

[Sean]

Right.

[Wade Martin]

Whereas like, like where can you do that? In the United States, everything closes. You know what I mean? So I like the freedoms here, but I could see myself hypothetically maybe moving to Mexico or Thailand. Good lady boys there.

[Sean]

Cheap over there.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, right?

[Sean]

Yeah, you could eat like a king over there.

[Wade Martin]

Absolutely.

[Sean]

Where are you getting a ribeye at 3am Here?

[Wade Martin]

Pretty much any gaming bar.

[Sean]

Damn.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, for the most part, yeah. I mean, it's like I wear, I, I wear, I, I'm, I'm on like on an odd schedule, you know what I mean? So it's like, especially during the summer, I like to sleep during the day and then be up at night.

[Sean]

Okay.

[Wade Martin]

You know, because it's so hot. Like it's 180 degrees outside, for God's sake. You know? Who wants to be outside in that heat?

[Sean]

Fair point.

[Wade Martin]

You know what I mean?

[Sean]

Sleep to avoid it.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, for the most part. Yeah, I do. Yeah.

[Sean]

Go full on nocturnal.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, for the most part.

[Sean]

Damn.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah.

[Sean]

That's how much you hate the heat.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, Well, I mean, 180 degrees.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah.

[Wade Martin]

No, that's, this is like the temperature of the sun.

[Sean]

What I want to do is, once I have enough money is get a second spot on the East Coast. So in the summer here, I'll go there.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sean]

You know, when it's hot. Yeah. That's what people, all the rich people do, right?

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, that basically. Yeah. I just don't have that kind of money. Well, I'm retired.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Wade Martin]

So, you know, I got to be frugal with, with, with my monies. I remember when I first retired, my accountant called me up. I think it was like the end of January. It was like beginning of the year. And he was screaming at me because I, I spent $50,000 in this whorehouse in Tijuana.

[Sean]

Holy shit. One night.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, no, is the month. I spent the month. So to be fair, to be Fair. And he was screaming at me. It's like, you can't retire and spend $50,000 in a whorehouse. You know? And I was like, okay, fair point, fair point. So I avoided, you know, committing myself to that sort of expenditure.

[Sean]

I know people that go out there all the time. Must be nice out there.

[Wade Martin]

No, I, I, Yeah. I love Tijuana. Oh, my God, I love it. But the problem is I. I can't regulate myself there. Once I'm there, I'm committed. You know what I mean?

[Sean]

So you're still addicted to sex?

[Wade Martin]

No, I'm not. I do. I love sex. Don't misunderstand me. But I'm not. Again, going back to what I was saying, you know, the pussy is not worth the price.

[Sean]

Right. So I want Tijuana. It is.

[Wade Martin]

Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then what ends up happening? I'll spend, like, a ton of money on bottles.

[Sean]

Okay.

[Wade Martin]

You know what I mean?

[Sean]

In.

[Wade Martin]

It's just. It's almost like it's not worth it.

[Sean]

Yeah. Drunk sex is not worth it.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah. And it's not like. I mean, my testosterone level is still high, so that's not it. It's more of a psychological thing. So, you know, sex, to me, just doesn't have the appeal that it used to.

[Sean]

Interesting.

[Wade Martin]

You know what I mean? So, like, yeah, I like the Thor banging a hooker right now. But you introduced me to one right now, and I hear a Talk, man. My PP goes from 12 to 6, you know what I mean? I immediately lose interest. And I had my T levels checked because I thought, okay, well, maybe it's because I've got older. No, it's because now I need more intellectual stimulation.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Wade Martin]

Than I ever did before, if that makes sense.

[Sean]

No, you've shifted into what I am. I'm a sabiosexual.

[Wade Martin]

There you go.

[Sean]

So you like intelligence more than looks.

[Wade Martin]

Yes, absolutely. That's what I've shifted to. That.

[Sean]

For sure.

[Wade Martin]

Sure. And, yeah, finding that stimulation, that intellectual stimulation is very difficult. Wow. You know what I mean? And, like, I would. I. I would rather have sex with a. With a 4 or a 3 that I am having some banter with than a 10 I have absolutely nothing in common with.

[Sean]

Interesting. Yeah, it's a tough. It's actually tough to date as a sabiosexual. Oh, for sure. Because the woman you're attracted to are working a lot, and they're in their masculine energy because they're using their mind. So it's a tough dating dynamic.

[Wade Martin]

Absolutely. You know, my mom turned to me A couple of weeks ago. And she, she, she was like, wait, I'm worried about, you know, you spending your life alone, like, growing old alone. And my response to her was, good Lord, I hope so. Like, I love the sport of growing old alone. That sounds like the most, the best idea ever.

[Sean]

Damn.

[Wade Martin]

Well, I don't have anyone nagging me. I do what I want, when I want, how I want. That just sounds like a great way. That's how, that's where I've shifted to psychologically.

[Sean]

So you don't believe in love anymore?

[Wade Martin]

I do believe in love, but I don't believe in the, the, that comes with the companionship. I don't believe in, like, the fact that you can get nagged. Like, so, for example, if I wake up tomorrow and I want to go to Hawaii, Yep, I'll do it. Like, if, but if I'm in a relationship, you know, protocol is, hey, sweetheart, is that okay if I go with the boys to Hawaii or, you know what I mean around that? I, I, I've got to a point in my life where I'm like, I don't need permission to live my life. I'll do what I want, when I want, how I want, with who I want. I feel that I don't need your approval. That's kind of how I've got. I know it sounds very, very selfish and, and disheartening, but the reality is that's how I want to live my life from this point forward. So that isn't that, that doesn't necessarily set up a good cultivation or thing for partners. Yeah, I know what I mean.

[Sean]

I mean, I don't, I don't think that's unreasonable. You know, I have rules with my partner where it's like, okay, I'll only travel if I'm making a certain amount of money, so I'm not going to just travel for no reason. So we have really good boundaries. I think that's the key, right?

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, it sounds like you got a healthy relationship. Most people don't have that.

[Sean]

Healthier than most, I'd say. But we still have our battles. Like, I'm working all day, so that's, I'm sure you dealt with this when you're out and about all day and they want your attention more.

[Wade Martin]

Well, relationships are very difficult. And they're like plants. You got to water them. Right. And I think that I've, I've got, I've become very selfish. I don't want to water that proverbial plant anymore. I don't want to do it, you know.

[Sean]

Too much effort for you?

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, Yeah, I just, I just don't want to do it. You know, I did it for, you know, the majority of my life and, you know, this chapter, my life. I just want to, you know, do what I want. And I don't want to have to think about cultivating and watering or pruning a relationship.

[Sean]

Respect. Well, wait. I can't wait to watch your show, man. Where is it on, is it on YouTube?

[Wade Martin]

Yeah, YouTube.

[Sean]

Okay.

[Wade Martin]

Yeah. Way Martin's video thingy. That's what I'm calling it.

[Sean]

Cool. So we'll link it in this video. Anything else you want to promote or close off with here?

[Wade Martin]

No, I'm just, I'm honored to be here. You know, you're a great guy and I. I love what you're doing and this is my first podcast. So, you know, it's very cool. It's much. It's much more informal and low key than. Than television. Much better.

[Sean]

I prefer Hell yeah.

[Wade Martin]

Much more real.

[Sean]

I love that man. Well, thanks for coming on. Check out his show, guys. I'll see you next time. I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm. Thank you.

[Wade Martin]

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[Sean]

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[Wade Martin]

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[Wade Martin]

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[Sean]

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[Wade Martin]

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