Why Kenny Ko Got Banned Everywhere... | Kenny Ko | DSH #1926

Summary

Digital Social Hour – Why Kenny Ko Got Banned Everywhere...

Podcast: Digital Social Hour
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Kenny Ko
Episode: #1926
Date: April 22, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Digital Social Hour features Kenny Ko, a well-known fitness commentator turned political firebrand, who discusses his experience being banned from every major social media platform. Host Sean Kelly guides an unfiltered conversation about cancel culture, online censorship, industry “plants,” and the blurry landscape of free speech in the digital age. Together, they examine the power structures underlying social networks, the ripple effects of deplatforming, and Kenny’s controversial transition from fitness exposes to politically charged commentary.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cancel Culture and Deplatforming

• Kenny describes being banned across platforms:
  • Discusses the shift from being a fitness creator to sharing political commentary—a change that rapidly led to bans and severe throttling of his content, especially after new corporate takeovers (Oracle buying TikTok, etc.).
  • "It's been a journey for sure." (00:58, Kenny Ko)
• Private ownership vs. constitutional rights:
  • Both argue that private companies controlling digital speech essentially nullify First Amendment protections.
  • "People saying that, oh, we have freedom of speech, we really don't, because everything's privately owned. And they can take you off any platform at any point." (00:40, Kenny Ko)

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2. Industry Plants, Virality, and Censorship

• Suspicions about major influencers being "plants":
  • Kenny and Sean are skeptical about the meteoric rise of controversial personalities like Nick Fuentes, suggesting establishment support behind the scenes.
  • "If you're too early talking about a certain topic, you'll end up like Nick Fuentes … eviscerated." (02:18, Sean Kelly)
• The economics of virality:
  • Going viral requires significant funding, often beyond an individual’s means.
  • "To get to his level, you gotta be spending six figures a month ... Where's his money coming from?" (04:23, Kenny Ko)
• Differential censorship:
  • Kenny notes that smaller voices get punished for saying things larger, potentially establishment-backed influencers can say freely.
  • "I get way more backlash than a lot of these bigger influencers who are allowed to say the same things, but yet they keep their platform." (01:17, Kenny Ko)

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3. Big Tech Control & Media Consolidation

• Private acquisitions and policy shifts:
  • Oracle’s acquisition of TikTok and Larry Ellison buying CBS News are discussed as part of a trend toward media consolidation, following Musk’s lead with Twitter/X.
  • "Larry Ellison just bought TikTok. He also just bought CBS News." (07:10, Sean Kelly)
• Rapid censorship post-takeovers:
  • Both note a dramatic increase in censorship, especially around sensitive geopolitical topics (Israel, Palestine) after ownership changes.
  • "All of my accounts just gone instantly. Couldn't even reference the word of, like, Jewish or Israel anything." (07:54, Kenny Ko)
  • Sean's TikTok views dropped by 90% after Oracle’s takeover. (07:54)

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4. Freedom of Speech Limitations and Algorithmic Throttling

• Banned for hosting controversial debates:
  • Sean describes being banned and severely throttled on TikTok after hosting debates on Israel and other contentious topics.
  • "So we got banned multiple times... all my views went ever since have been down 90%." (08:21, Sean Kelly)
• YouTube self-censorship:
  • Kenny removed up to 60 videos preemptively after receiving strikes, fearing mass takedowns over content mentioning Israel, even if unrelated.
  • "I had to go remove...like 50 to 60 videos or something." (10:55, Kenny Ko)
• The necessity of online platforms for public speech:
  • "To get speech out, you need to use social media platforms. You can't just walk out with a megaphone these days. Like, it doesn't reach the masses." (09:30, Sean Kelly)

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5. Debate Culture, Infighting, and Movement Divisions

• Newfound toxicity in politics vs. fitness:
  • Kenny compares the "toxic" but mostly playful rivalries in fitness with the death threats and rage he receives for political speech.
  • "I have never seen this level of, like, not only delusion in people, but people that are just so hostile over something that they believe, whether it's true or not." (34:12, Kenny Ko)
• Movement infighting:
  • Questions why online figures with seemingly aligned goals (like Nick Fuentes and Ian Carroll) feud publicly, instead of building alliances.
  • "If your end goal is the same, why not cause conflict with these others that view entirely different?" (17:38, Kenny Ko)
• Exposure of influencer tactics:
  • The hosts discuss allegations that big names (including Ben Shapiro) inflate their stats via paid views to impress sponsors.
  • "They basically run YouTube ads to all their videos... if you look at the comments, it has, like, 50 comments." (19:06, Sean Kelly)

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6. America First, Patriotism, and Foreign Policy

• US government priorities:
  • Frustration over the US government funding foreign militaries (e.g., Israel, Ukraine) while neglecting veterans and first responders at home.
  • "We're wasting all this funding on stuff that doesn't matter at all or doesn't help our country in any way." (15:45, Kenny Ko)
• War as a business:
  • Kenny frames global conflict as "the most profitable business," second only to pharma.
  • "War is the most profitable business in the world. Right next to probably, like, Big Pharma..." (40:03, Kenny Ko)

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7. Historical Parallels, Brainwashing, and Ideological Subversion

• Critical of mainstream historical narratives:
  • Kenny offers alternative readings of 20th-century history (Weimar Germany, WWII, etc.), claims school curricula are heavily manipulated, and laments American unwillingness to resist oppression.
  • "History is always written by the victors, so people didn’t get to see the actual data..." (41:28, Kenny Ko)
• Normalization of oppression:
  • Kenny claims current US society is experiencing the "final stage of cultural subversion – normalization," referencing increasing taxes, loss of liberty, and general apathy.
  • "We're in, like, that final stage of the cultural subversion, which is just normalization. We just become normal to be this fucked up." (46:13, Kenny Ko)
• Skepticism toward left vs. right politics:
  • "If you still believe in the left versus the right, you're a loss. It's not the left versus the right. It's used to cause division among the people for a greater picture that's at play." (32:46, Kenny Ko)

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8. Platforming, Free Discourse, and Guest Selection

• Sean’s approach to guest selection:
  • Sean values open dialogue and refuses to shy away from hosting controversial figures, even if it results in backlash or losing sponsors.
  • "I have on a lot of controversial people, so be yourself." (01:07, Sean Kelly)
• Host’s duty vs. “platforming”:
  • Debates the “platforming” argument, pushing back on the idea that hosting a guest raises their influence, especially when these guests are already more famous.
  • "First of all, they have a bigger platform than me. So me platforming them, how does that make sense?" (29:43, Sean Kelly)
• Importance of letting people show their true colors:
  • "People will usually display their own colors or their own intentions just through talking. The longer you can get someone to talk, they'll usually either slip up." (35:48, Kenny Ko)

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9. Fitness Community Notes & Kenny’s Viral Moments

• Transition from Natty-or-Not to politics:
  • Kenny discusses how attitudes around performance-enhancing drugs have changed—most physique influencers now admit usage; only a few cling to natural claims.
  • "Everyone would lie...versus now...it's hard to find anyone that lies other than maybe like Michael [O’Hearn]." (24:01, Kenny Ko)
• Memorable viral clips:
  • Kenny recounts the viral Sarah Safari interview and his disappointment in her follow-up statements.
  • "It was a super quick one. And I wanted to, of course, you know, talk to her more about the viewpoints...but unfortunately she walked off." (25:07, Kenny Ko)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On systemic censorship:
  • "We don't even operate on a constitutional level anymore because everything's privately owned. So they don't have to operate on the constitutional level." – Kenny Ko (09:10)
• On war and government priorities:
  • "We're American, we should be, you know, obviously Nick Fuentes America first. But we should have the patriotism and want the best for our country and our people, especially our soldiers...but yet we just discard them to the side as if they're worthless." – Kenny Ko (15:05)
• On virality and manipulation:
  • "To go as viral as Nick Fuentes, it either requires a lot of money or like some serious, like insiders within the social media platforms to boost you." – Sean Kelly (03:37)
• On social media’s real power:
  • "They want people to know, but they're not going to outwardly say. It's almost like a puzzle." – Kenny Ko (37:44)
• On the toxicity of online politics:
  • "I have never seen this level of, like, not only delusion in people, but people that are just so hostile over something that they believe, whether it's true or not." – Kenny Ko (34:12)
• On the normalization of authoritarianism:
  • "We're in, like, that final stage of the cultural subversion, which is just normalization. We just become normal to be this fucked up." – Kenny Ko (46:13)
• On podcasting work ethic:
  • "People don't realize how much work the social media scene is...wait till you start to grow a little bit and get that first hate wave or something. Good luck." – Kenny Ko (28:32)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Cancel Culture and First Amendment Limitations: 00:40–01:41
• Nick Fuentes, "Feds," Industry Plants: 02:18–05:04
• Big Tech Takeovers & Censorship: 07:10–08:38
• YouTube/TikTok Censorship & Strategy: 09:46–11:36
• Hostility in Political Content vs. Fitness: 34:12–35:48
• War, Foreign Policy, and US Veterans: 15:45–16:34
• Divides, Critical Thinking, and False Narratives: 32:39–33:47
• Historical Parallels & Brainwashing: 41:16–44:23
• Podcasting as a Craft: 28:29–29:39
• Short-Form Content Future: 53:04–53:29

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Conclusion

Sean and Kenny’s raw, wide-ranging conversation delivers a sobering look at the modern censorship regime, unpacks the mechanisms behind digital influence, and exposes the high personal and professional costs of dissenting online. The dialogue is both combative and introspective, posing hard questions about America’s trajectory, the role of technology in democracy, and the necessity of open debate—even when it comes at a price.

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Where to find Kenny Ko:

• X/Twitter: @KennyCancelled
• Instagram: @gentilegoys
• Facebook: Kenny Ko
• Backup channels: Discord, Telegram groups (due to ongoing censorship)

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Transcript

[A]

I do think deep down my gut instinct is that he's almost a plant, a fed made to talk about this stuff so that other people vocalize and talk about these things. And it's almost as if they're building a list of who would revolt or resist if certain situations were to pop off. And then the freedom of speech is gone. And that's the problem, is we don't even operate on a constitutional level anymore because everything is privately owned, so they don't have to operate on the constitutional level. So the people saying that, oh, we have freedom of speech, we really don't, because everything's privately owned. And they can take you off any platform at any point. Point for whatever. And there's always some bigger agenda. You know, we can speculate or guess what it may be, but there's always going to be a bigger power at play with who knows what their agenda is or what they're trying to achieve.

[B]

All right, guys, fellow Vegas local and survivor of Cancel Culture, we. We got Kenny co here today. Thanks for coming on, man. Good to see you.

[A]

Thanks for having me, bro.

[B]

How's it been since getting banned everywhere?

[A]

It's been a journey for sure. So before we jump into anything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is this fully uncensored? You want me to, like, hold back a bit on keywords and stuff? I would just make it easier.

[B]

I wouldn't hold back. My editors are used to. I have on a lot of controversial people, so be yourself.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, yeah. Cancel Culture has been quite the thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As of recent. What I've noticed with is I feel there's a lot more industry plants than people kind of think because of what I've said and experience. I noticed that I get way more backlash than a lot of these bigger influencers who are allowed to say the same things, but yet they keep their platform.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If that makes sense. So it's for what reason? What agenda? You know? Right. Like, are they a fed or what is it?

[B]

I agree. Because the bigger the podcast, the more filtered their guests are. I've noticed. You know what I mean? Like, I'll have on anyone because I'm not at that, like, elite level yet. But I feel like if you're talking about, like, a Ben Shapiro or, like, even Tucker to a degree. But those big shows seem to very selectively choose who goes on their shows. Right. You know what I mean?

[A]

And we can dive into some deep topics for sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The control of things and why I believe those things are happening, why certain people are allowed to talk about topics. And then you'll say almost verbatim, the same exact thing, but one person gets taken down. So it's a very interesting time.

[B]

Yeah. If you're too early talking about a certain topic, you'll end up like Nick Fuentes. Right, Right. You'll end up eviscerated.

[A]

He's been an interesting one lately, too. I don't know if you want to cover that at a certain point.

[B]

I do. I know he made a stance yesterday about unto.

[A]

He's had some interesting ones lately.

[B]

Are you losing support for him lately?

[A]

I just feel almost fed level. And a lot of people, anytime you're defending Epstein and then just the narrative, it's almost. He's contradicting things he said in the past.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Or what he kind of stood for. He's almost doing the polar opposite now. And it's almost a weird shift of who knows really what happened, what stance or what side he's really on. But I know obviously he was deplatformed quite a bit, except for on Rumble, and then I think he came back briefly on Spotify or something like that. Yeah, he got like brought back, but we're taken back down. Sorry. But I don't know. It's hard to say with him. I do think deep down my gut instinct is that he's almost a plant, a fed who's made to talk about this stuff so that other people vocalize and talk about these things. And it's almost as if they're building a list of who would revolt or resist if certain situations were to pop off or go, you know, so that they know beforehand with all the data and everything, who would take a certain stance in one way or the other.

[B]

Yeah. I will say. I know I. I would consider myself a social media expert because I have on a lot of people and I get a lot of data for sure. And I will say to go as viral as Nick Fuentes, it either requires a lot of money or like some serious, like insiders within the social media platforms to boost you. You know what I mean? Like, you don't just go that viral organically without any money.

[A]

And that's great that you've seen that firsthand because, you know, obviously he's. He has to have a clipping team, you know, that's taking all of it.

[B]

That's experience, by the way, taking the clips.

[A]

Yeah. And then you're having, you know, hundreds, if not thousands of people posting these on new accounts to help spread the message because you're banned on all these platforms. So, yeah, you have to have the Money. Where's his money coming from? Because he talks about how the banks shut down his accounts and everything. So.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Where is this funding coming from? That's the weird part for me. Now, I would love to say that he has our best interest at heart and he is anti Israel or pro American, you know, America first, of course. But it's hard to really say, especially just because. Yeah. His recent tweets and everything he's been staying saying and the stances he's been taking on Venezuela and Greenland and a bunch of crazy things. 100% almost opposite of what we know of Nick Fuentes.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, to get to that level of clipping, because I spend about 25 grand a month on clipping and I get a decent amount of views. But to get to his level, you gotta be spending six figures a month, whether it's him or someone helping him. You know what I mean? Right.

[A]

And it's because, like, I know he does. Well, obviously on Rumble, he's got a ton of viewers. I'm sure he gets tons of donations, but for that. And then this is before he was really pulling those types of numbers. So where was he getting the funding from? Right. To begin that or to start. Unless he was just, you know, getting investors or something or. I really don't know.

[B]

Yeah, it's hard to say. Our space is very interesting because there's a lot of people at the top level that I do agree with. You are plants or they are being funded by whether it's a government or another country. You know what I mean? I think that's a big thing for sure. Right.

[A]

And there's always some bigger agenda. You know, we can speculate or guess what it may be, but there's always going to be a bigger power at play with who knows what their agenda is or what they're trying to achieve. Obviously, we're in the age where technology and data reign supreme.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So collecting that type of stuff like I was talking about, of who would stand against a certain agenda and getting exact names, who they are, you know, what comments they're putting out so that you can better analyze, like how things would go in a certain situation. Yeah. What that situation would be. I don't know. Like, once again, it's just speculation.

[B]

For sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Speaking.

[A]

I don't know if you. How you feel about Nick, if you think I've had a head or if you think authentic.

[B]

I've had him on the show. He did address the Fed allegations. He said he's been called the Fed before. People have been saying it for a while now, I think, because then he

[A]

used to work for the Fed. Or am I mistaken?

[B]

Well, there was a theory that after J6, because he was there. I don't know the exact story, but the Fed showed up to his house or something, and people thought he was an informant.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I think it was around that time.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So he's been getting called that for years, but I think now it's ramping up because, like you said, he's changing his stance on a lot of stuff.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

So I wonder if he's actually changing his opinion or it's. He's being told, you know.

[A]

Right. And by who.

[B]

Yeah, I'm sure.

[A]

The big mystery.

[B]

Yeah, I'm sure you're diving in that rabbit hole. That's probably why you got banned, honestly.

[A]

Well, we know who controls most of these media companies, especially back in the day now, even still, though it's owned primarily by a very small percentage of people.

[B]

Well, one of them's buying some assets up. Larry Ellison just bought TikTok. He also just bought CBS News. I don't know if you saw that. It seems like these guys are going after media outlets now and trying to own them.

[A]

Right.

[B]

After seeing what Elon Musk did.

[A]

And I get that Elon took a good stance. And I've always been kind of conflicted with Elon, too. I'm not really sure what side he's on, because some of the tweets he puts out and things he says, I think he's going one direction, but then you'll say another one that puts it in the other direction. And then at least him having that I do feel X or Twitter at the moment is at least the most free speech, because really. Yeah. Tick Tock with Oracle when that took over is like, all of my accounts just gone instantly. Couldn't even reference the word of, like, Jewish or Israel anything.

[B]

My views went down 90 on tick tock after that takeover.

[A]

And there's like, I don't even know what that platform is now anymore.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, because obviously the freedom of speech is gone, so it might be just how a TikTok was years ago. Maybe just the dance move stuff. I really don't know because I'm not allowed on that.

[B]

Yeah, it's a shame, because that was one of our biggest platforms.

[A]

Oh, was it?

[B]

Yeah, we were getting tens of millions of views when China owned it. Who knows?

[A]

So you didn't get taken down, though, did you? Or was it more just like an extreme censorship?

[B]

So we got banned multiple Times I got banned when I had Myron gains on he was debating destiny on Israel. That got me banned for like four months. Then when I got it back, all my views went ever since have been down 90%. Like I. I'll barely crack a th000 views on a video now.

[A]

Damn. So they really did throttle it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For you. Which is so crazy because I feel these types of conversations are so important. Like for instance, the next one that I'll do, if you have people with different viewpoints, you need to have these conversations. We can't just have one narrative sitting down and actually discussing. I feel like it helps open people's minds to like another perspective or another way of thinking or how someone actually believes. And then you can, you know, take whichever side you want at that point. But they shouldn't hold you accountable because it's not like you're solo on a video making some crazy claims.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And then the freedom of speech is gone. And that's the problem is we don't even operate on a constitutional level anymore because everything is privately owned. So they don't have to operate on the constitutional level.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So the people saying that oh, we have freedom of speech. We really don't because everything's privately owned and they can take you off any platform at any point for whatever. Then we have to give you a reason.

[B]

No, you're right. Because in order to get speech out you need to use social media platforms. You can't just walk out with a megaphone these days. Like it doesn't reach the masses. Right. It's not like how it used to be. And I just saw this morning actually YouTube, I think, announced that Biden was pressuring them to censor certain topics.

[A]

I did so notice. And I had to pull basically all my content off YouTube that was pertaining at all to Israel.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Because even my ones that didn't reference anything Jewish, Israel, anything got were starting to get taken down. Strikes and stuff.

[B]

Yeah. Because you got it.

[A]

And there's no way you would have ever been able to unless you're in the knowing know that that was about the topics I was saying.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It wasn't even like anything hate crime related, talking about history, anything. So they're definitely throttling a bunch of content and stripping it off the platforms and then hoping I what I would assume people don't notice that it's all coming off.

[B]

Yeah. Damn, that sucks. Because you have a big YouTube. You got almost a million subscribers, right?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, it's approaching like a million. And then that was the one I was most worried about. So that was the reason I had to pull all that content.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I got a strike. And then I knew there was gonna be more because the one that got a strike on was. Yeah. Just the most preposterous video of all time.

[B]

I was wondering get one why you did that.

[A]

Like of all my videos, if that one got strike, then I'm screwed. So I had to go remove. I don't even know how many videos. Like 50 to 60 videos or something.

[B]

Yeah. Because when I was prepping for this episode, it was only your like bodybuilding stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was like, where's all this political takes? Because I know you made that transition

[A]

in the past year and it felt like it was doing good for a while. YouTube was allowing it. Same thing with TikTok too. And then obviously Oracle took over and that was almost immediate. Meta, I feel like is hit or miss sometimes. You. It's almost a ticking time bomb. I'll start a new account. It'll blow up. It'll do really well. Eventually it'll get under certain supervision.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Get taken down. And then I think also some type of identity thing on there, I would imagine. I think maybe with an IP address.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Able to monitor which accounts I'm on. So I'm just completely banned off. Meta. Essentially.

[B]

Jeez, that sucks. Because that's like our best one on this show, at least.

[A]

And I do love at least the memes, the scrolling. I feel you get a good balance of information. It's not super restricted or regulated.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or if it is, at least it'll stay up for a little bit before those accounts or videos get taken down. So next to X or Twitter, I'd say that's probably the best source of information for people to gather what's actually going on.

[B]

I agree. My problem with Twitter is I love how it's free speech, but it feels very negative.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like people are just on each other, like non stop on Twitter, for sure. You know what I mean? And I feel like that could like destroy your brain over time. Just like trying to look for drama non stop.

[A]

And then also I feel like on X and Twitter, a lot of it, you have to distinguish now with AI, what's real and fake because so many people are putting up AI images pretending that they're real. And then there's gonna be people that believe it, repost it, write whatever they want with it. And then. Yeah. The energy with it, of course, is just super negative. Where I've always been, I just want to spread the truth, learn the truth and have others that want to discuss those topics. And that's why doing the debates and whatnot is such a fun facet or an outlet to have, because it just gives you a greater understanding of the world in general, how it operates, people's psychology, verse. If it's just the brain rot hating on each other for no reason, where does that really get anyone?

[B]

Yeah, for sure. Who have you debated so far?

[A]

So technically, I'm not supposed to debate any Jews as, like, a National Socialist.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Yeah. Just because it's the classic always lie oh type of saying.

[B]

I didn't know that.

[A]

Yeah, so that's why it'll be interesting. This the next podcast.

[B]

Well, Brian's actually against who you're going to be debating. He's actually against Netanyahu.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But he is Jewish. Yeah. So I think they're. I don't know. I'd love to see, like, a percentage breakdown of people that are Jewish that support him versus don't, because they all kind of get lumped in.

[A]

I know there is a vast majority that are against Netanya.

[B]

That's what I mean.

[A]

That's why there's a bunch of, like, protests and stuff happening over there. Kind of similar to, like, the whole Trump situation right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It just feels more dictatorship than anything. Where the end goal is what it seems is complete or total takeover. Like a totalitarian dictatorship, essentially.

[B]

He's making some moves lately, especially with

[A]

ICE and the military. Like, I see it in the foreseeable future that it's going to be a military takeover that'd be nuts nationwide.

[B]

I mean, it wouldn't shock me at this point. I feel like we're in pretty deep already.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know what I mean? And now with the whole Iran stuff, last night, Twitter was going crazy about that, that we're going to war with them. I don't know if that got announced.

[A]

Let's have another Iraq that went so great last time. That was gonna be a fun one.

[B]

My cousin got blown up in that and. Yeah.

[A]

It's just really.

[B]

Well, he lost his thigh and then his best friend died to a mine. And just so much trauma came from that war and, like, nothing came out of it.

[A]

So my question for that. Because he was in the military. Yeah. Also, if he's watching this, thank you for your service, but. But how well taken care of was he after the fact by our own government?

[B]

Not well at all?

[A]

Or was he just kind of like discarded off to the side?

[B]

So if you're brainwashed, you would say, well, because you believe in big pharma. But he was put on so many medications, he ended up in prison, honestly, because he was just on all sorts of medications and just didn't know how to live his life. And that's how they fix it, the mental health stuff.

[A]

And that's the part that bothers me the most, is because we're sending all this funding and everything over to Israel to help them, them and their causes and also for their idf, but yet we don't take care of our own. We're American, we should be, you know, obviously Nick Fuentes America first. But we should have the patriotism and want the best for our country and our people, especially our soldiers who are giving everything for our freedoms, but yet we just discard them to the side as if they're worthless or don't matter. 100 but we're wasting all this funding on stuff that doesn't matter at all or doesn't help our country in any way. And that's the part that bothers me the most. I think deep down, just because I came from, I was a firefighter fighter before ever like the social media scene or this type of content. So anyone that's in like the police force, firefighters, military, like they do so much for the country to just like no one cares about them, the country doesn't care. But yet we'll send funding to another country to take care of their military all day.

[B]

We'll send billions, billions to Ukraine, to Israel, whoever. Like even we fund terrorist groups. Allegedly.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Like that's what the is up. Like we're funding our enemies.

[A]

The more we find out each day. And this is where I've been kind of conflicted on if it's a genie out of the bottle scenario and they're trying to put the genie back in the bottle, but that doesn't happen. Like with social media's information that's so readily available. I don't know if they ever accounted for people connecting on this level or once again, if it's a strategic plant to kind of separate who would resist and who wouldn't. Like who kind of feeds into it versus who gives flat back. But also I don't know if they really foresaw, you know, social media connecting people in this way where information would be passed around so much that obviously then it's like a wildfire snowball where you can't stop it.

[B]

I don't think to this level. I don't think anyone could have predicted that because now the age of information we get Real time war updates as soon as someone dies or gets kidnapped within hours, you know, it's pretty like

[A]

content creators are putting stuff out instantly on the stories, of course, force news, media outlets, everything. It's so instant.

[B]

Yeah. Like we knew about the jets flying to Iran last night. People were tracking the maps. People tracked Netanyahu's jet. He was going to Greece, like.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That's crazy, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

People are like on like Internet detectives. They don't, they don't miss.

[A]

Yeah. There's people who do some deep dives and they pull some crazy.

[B]

Yeah. Like Mike Benz is one of them. He pulls some good stuff. Ian Carroll, I don't know how you feel about him, but I've only seen

[A]

a couple of his videos, so I can't really. I know he stance how I necessarily feel. The videos I've seen, I've enjoyed. I feel he did a good job on at least a couple I've seen. But overall I'm not really too sure.

[B]

I know Nick's going at him, so I don't know. People kind of choose their sides.

[A]

And that's the other thing that's interesting too about Nick for me is because incorrect me if I'm wrong. But Ian, Carol, they should be kind of on the same side. Right.

[B]

They should be technically us.

[A]

So it's like if we're trying to start a movement or grow that movement into being America first and whatnot, why cause conflict from within with people that have similar viewpoints? Yeah. You may not agree on necessarily everything, but if your end goal is the same, why not cause conflict with these others that view entirely different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or want an entirely different agenda. You know, maybe like Israel first or something.

[B]

It is weird.

[A]

So to cause that conflict. And then I know he's always of course going after like Candace Owens or it was Tucker at one point. I don't know how their standing is now, but that part was always a little bit bizarre to me. Because you should be standing together or sticking together if that is your viewpoint.

[B]

Yeah. There's so much infighting on the road, it's actually mind blowing.

[A]

Right. And if you want to grow into something, obviously you need numbers and you need to work together. And because it's so suppressed and you know, you're de platformed off of essentially everything, you have to be able to make those alliances and continue to like grow the movement.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So to have that little bickering, but not with for instance, the Ben Shapiro. That's totally fine. Obviously totally different viewpoints and what they want. But I Just don't understand that.

[B]

Yeah, he just got exposed a couple of days ago. Did you see that?

[A]

Which one?

[B]

Who? Ben Shapiro and Daily Wire. They were buying YouTube views.

[A]

Really? Ben was?

[B]

Yeah. Well, allegedly. I don't want to get sued.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Some guy, I forget which creator, he made a video. They basically run YouTube ads to all their videos. So like you'll get 300,000 views, but then if you look at the comments, it has like 50 comments.

[A]

How's the like ratio to it?

[B]

Barely any likes. Like a thousand likes.

[A]

I always wonder why. For what? Is it an ego thing for him to believe that he's reaching more people?

[B]

I personally think it's for sponsors and potentially an ego thing too. But sponsors pay based self views, you know how it works. So like, yeah, if you run $3,000 of YouTube as to a video, get it to 300,000 views, the sponsors are probably paying you more than that, maybe equal to that.

[A]

Right. So you're still in the profit margin.

[B]

Right. So that's what I think it is. I think it's a business play. But they have so much money. I mean that company does a lot of revenue.

[A]

I did notice Ben has fallen off quite a bit over the last year. He is, I think it's just because he really exposed himself and a lot of the things he's been saying or the stances he's been taking.

[B]

I used to like him same years ago.

[A]

I still like the way he talks. I think he's very articulate in the way he speaks and debates.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think that was what I enjoyed about him previous to the things I know now, of course. But yeah, over the last year I've just noticed he kind of shoots himself in the foot with a lot of the things he says. Or if you're American, I get that you have a Jewish religion, but if you're American, you should want the best for America. I'll always remember the claim where he thought Netanyahu should be able to be president, United States.

[B]

That's a hard one though.

[A]

Forever with that one.

[B]

It goes back to how we started this about like these top shows, a lot of these top shows under Daily Wire, they can't have on the guests they want, dude.

[A]

Which is just so insane that for freedom of speech and we're supposed to have all these freedoms, why are we not allowed to talk to whoever we want?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or say whatever you want if you want to. People want to believe it. That's up to them at the end of the day. But I do believe if I Want to come on here and say the hard R or like any crazy words. I do firmly believe I should be able to.

[B]

I've had white people do that. On the show.

[A]

Yeah. On your show.

[B]

Yeah. Woman propaganda.

[A]

Wow. Oh, did he actually drop it a bunch?

[B]

He dropped it just once.

[A]

Hayden, Right?

[B]

Yeah. Hayden.

[A]

Which also. I saw his crazy video.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Went back and slapped the dude.

[B]

Yeah. I was there at that event.

[A]

You were there? Did you witness it?

[B]

No. So he got slapped or. No, he slapped the guy back and then he was walking out while I was walking in and that's how I like saw it.

[A]

But interesting.

[B]

Cam Higby. Right. Cam Higby and that other guy.

[A]

And what was the reasoning for that happen?

[B]

Basically woman propaganda. Hayden got slapped in New York. I'm sure you saw that video. And he wanted to do a get back because it made him look bad.

[A]

I know that he was getting a lot.

[B]

He was getting a lot. Yeah.

[A]

People saying.

[B]

Which I don't know. How do you feel about that? Do you feel like you got to get them back in the moment or do you think he took the higher route and didn't fight back?

[A]

I feel like ideal scenario. He should have done it in the moment because then it shows. Like you got some backbone and spine.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I feel going back after the fact, I still like the dude and I'll always support him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I think he's hilarious. But I think going back after the fact was more so probably done just because of the hate.

[B]

He was getting a pr, so.

[A]

Yeah. Exactly. To kind of like renew your image or restore your aura. But so. And I don't really like when it's that stance.

[B]

Yeah. I agree.

[A]

I think you should be able to stand on the ground of what you believe.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

So. And if someone puts hands on you. Yeah. You better clap back.

[B]

How's that happening?

[A]

No. Because it's a free. It's a free fight. Yeah. At that point you're able to swing with no repercussions.

[B]

So did Mike O'Hearn put hands on you?

[A]

He gets on my face when we kiss.

[B]

But he gets in beef with a lot of people. I noticed.

[A]

Just because of. He'll be. I always told him he'd be a great politician.

[B]

Probably. Yeah.

[A]

Because I think he's gonna take the natty or not thing to the grave.

[B]

Is he?

[A]

I believe so.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Kind of like the OJ Scenario. You know, I. I firmly believe that OJ Was going to. On his deathbed or something. Maybe he didn't know it was gonna Happen the way it did, but that he would come clean.

[B]

I thought he would too, but.

[A]

So to take it to the grave, I was like, damn, that's willing to go pretty far. I think Mike would probably do the same.

[B]

It's not even a big deal anymore, though.

[A]

And people don't even really care that much is the thing as well. It's so common nowadays. I just feel like maybe because of he's been so invested into that lie for so long that people would way differently. But it's like we all know already.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like deep down we know there's no way.

[B]

Does he admit it off camera to people?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, wow. So he's going hard.

[A]

Rumors and whatnot of gym bathrooms. Who knows whether what's true and what's not of him, you know, like taking stuff in the bathrooms and stuff. I can't say for certain whether that's true or not. I haven't personally seen it and he hasn't ever admitted anything to me, even off camera. I've tried, I've pressed him, but still no.

[B]

Dude, I feel like. I mean, you got kids like clavicular running around just so open about it these days. No one gives a anymore. More like if you're on steroids.

[A]

And that was an interesting thing too, because when I went to the Olympia this previous year at the end of 2025, it was compared to the previous years where I was doing the natty or nots. Back in like 2018, everyone would lie. Or a majority that had the crazy physiques versus now the recent one. It's hard to find anyone that lies other than maybe like, Michael.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. You're gonna need a new everyone.

[A]

Just so open about. Which is great to see that people are more transparent about it. It's not so taboo. Or people aren't afraid to talk about it as much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who. Whether they're being true about the dosages and stuff they're taking. But that's just up for speculation.

[B]

That's probably the next part of the mystery. Yeah, that's probably the next mystery. I don't know, man. TRT is so normal. Now. Is that considered a steroid? Trt?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, it is.

[A]

Yeah. Because it's testosterone.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. Basically you're just taking a level. Well, normally you're supposed to take a level that just would be produced naturally and of course, as you get older that your testosterone number declines. So it's to help combat that and put you in an optimal range. Now people will always take a little bit more and they'll say it's trt.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's going to be, I would say, low end cycle, maybe higher base trt. So put your numbers way higher than you would have probably been naturally.

[B]

That makes sense. Well, you ended up going viral from that event for a different video. It was for the Sarah Safari video. That's how I found you, actually.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. I didn't know who you were before that.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. Oh, that video blew up, dude. Yeah.

[A]

Across like every social media platform, which I wasn't really expecting because it was a super quick one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I wanted to, of course, you know, talk to her more about the viewpoints of why she said what she did. But unfortunately she walked off.

[B]

Is she even Jewish? Like, what's her. What's her deal?

[A]

The comments and people that know her better said she's Iranian.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Or something. So that'd be kind of interesting with the scenario that's happening now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was hoping, because I was just at LA Fit Expo this previous weekend and that's kind of her stomping grounds.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, like the LA scene. So I was hoping she was going to show up because I wanted to do a follow up. Just to see your stance because I always hate when people, after they just try and save their reputation.

[B]

Right.

[A]

They don't stand on what they actually believe. And what I mean by that is she said in Bradley Martin's podcast after I'd aired that interview that she's always been Free Palestine, she always will be. She stands with the people of Palestine. But it's like, what have you done? I've never. I hadn't ever heard her mention Free Palestine once previous to that video coming out. No donations, nothing in the direction of Free Palestine. So it's to me that just shows that you only care about your own image.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And about the cancel culture. Because obviously people were hating on her immensely because of the stance she took and what she said in the interview where then I can just tell because, I mean, and you probably can as well, doing social media, when someone's just trying to save their reputation easily, you know, essentially kind of misdirect or lead the situation down a different road so that people stop hating on you.

[B]

Yeah. 100. I've seen it over the years. I mean, apology videos rarely work out. Usually you have to just take full accountability.

[A]

Right. And that's what you should have done. I would have respected that so much more if on the podcast with Bradley Martin she just said, you know, like, I just didn't want to get like political. And I don't want to, you know, get my content in that way because

[B]

that's not caught me off guard.

[A]

I'm sorry for the way it came off, but her saying that she's taking all these stances and stuff, I'm like, you've never made those stances before. You can't like lean on that as your alibi out of this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I was hoping she was gonna show up. Unfortunately, she didn't. At LA Fit Expo, I do want to run into her again just to get a follow up.

[B]

I don't think she'll do that. You think she will?

[A]

A lot of people are speculating. Maybe her management is Jewish owned or maybe it was confirmed, but there was a bunch of comments. People, you know, of course, doing their Internet research, figuring out everything about her.

[B]

I like Bradley show, though. He's pretty real.

[A]

Yeah. I think he's a great podcaster too, I think. Great at asking questions, having conversation that just naturally flows. I'd say the same for your podcast as well. Just being able to have like a easy conversation where you're just communicating back and forth.

[B]

That's the whole goal of the show. Like, as the host, you're. You're sort of there to guide, in my opinion. I don't like when hosts overbear the guest. Right, sure. You've been on shows that are like

[A]

that, where they kind of want the spotlight. Yeah, the scenario.

[B]

It's always weird to me, like, if you're inviting someone on and you're trying to, you know, get the spotlight. Right.

[A]

I guess. Unless maybe like a Joe Rogan or something like that, you see it. But even Joe's. I feel pretty respectful about the guests he has on there. He wants to like, learn about them, hear them talk. Yeah, that's the chime in, you know,

[B]

that's the goat right there.

[A]

Do you have any goals to be on there or have you been?

[B]

I haven't been on his show. We've shared a lot of guests, but yeah, I guess long term would be dope to get on there. I do want to pass him in episodes where we're getting close because.

[A]

How many are you at now?

[B]

We're at like, I think 1900 on YouTube, but I filmed about 2200 and he's at 2,500ish. So we're gonna meet up in like two years, I think.

[A]

That's wild, man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hey, props though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Good job, bro.

[B]

Work ethic, bro.

[A]

People don't realize how much work the social media scene is. They think it's such a cookie cutter, easy job, but they don't realize it's just a very different job. Like all your energy and effort, you need to go into planning, figuring out the scripts and what you want to talk about, then being well versed and knowing of the scripts. You're going to be talking about the different topics, doing the research on the people you're going to have on the show. And that time commitment alone, I don't think a lot of people are equipped for. And if you're doing, like you were saying, a podcast every day.

[B]

Yeah. They don't factor that in. I do more work off camera than on. Right. Like, I'm preparing. If the guest has a book, I got to read it. If they have interviews, I got to watch them.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know, it's just different stressors.

[A]

You know, every job's gonna be different regardless if you're doing construction or you're a teacher or you're a podcaster.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You have different stressors to your job. So the people that think that the social media work is easy, I'm like, it's not. You're not. I'm like, wait till you start to grow a little bit and get that first hate wave or something. Good luck. Let's see how you handle.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I've had a couple of those. Nothing major because I'm the host and usually the hate goes to the guest mainly, but I've had a couple. Like when I had Fuentes on, I had a few people cancel. When I had Tate on, I lost a couple sponsors.

[A]

And is it because they're upset you for having the guest on platforming them,

[B]

which I hate that argument because first of all, they have a bigger platform than me. So me platforming them, how does that make sense? Right, Right.

[A]

I get the one with Nelk. I did dislike when they hosted Netanyahu on theirs, but that's just because it's Netanyahu. That's like, there's a few names or exceptions where I don't think you should platform them unless it shows that obviously you're in some way pro Israel. Because I can imagine Netanyahu and you know, the Israeli government probably gave a script to Nelson Boys of what they could.

[B]

There was a clip about how they got handed some questions that was verified or not. That's the reason I didn't like that one was because they treated him different than their other guests. It was like a softball interview. Right. You know what I mean?

[A]

It's like in those types of scenarios, you have to Hit him with the hard questions. That's why it's probably a good thing I don't have a podcast. And Netanyahu would probably never agree to a podcast with me because I would probably agree to the script and then I would just hit him with totally different questions.

[B]

Oh, that's hilarious.

[A]

But then I'd probably also be dead, so.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think they'd let you leave the country. Yeah, because, like, even Tucker, he kind of goes hard on certain guests. You know what I mean? Like on Sam Altman, he destroyed him. And same with Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz.

[A]

I did like the Ted Cruz, by the way. I think he's a traitor to America.

[B]

Ted Cruz. I can see that. Same with Dan Crenshaw. Right.

[A]

I feel like anyone where it's not America first, if you don't have America as your top priority, then you're not American, you're not a patriot. If you're worried about another country over your own, there's a problem there. Like, you shouldn't be in a conflict of interest. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like, who do you want the best for? Why are you in a political seat for America, but yet you want the best interest for Israel? It just doesn't make sense.

[B]

Yeah, and they have a lot of, like, APEX funding, a lot of the people in Congress and government positions.

[A]

And that's the other thing, too, with, like, the whole FAR registration. Why does APAC not have to register? They're the only entity, the only one. Every single other foreign agent has to register with Farah, but for some reason, APAC doesn't. There's so many red flags that should go off for people. And that's what worries me is, like, people see this information in front of them or, you know, talked about, but yet they're still blind to it. Yeah, I always give the classic thing, like, people will believe delusion. Even when there's concrete evidence sitting directly in front of you, they'll still believe whatever illusion or brainwash they were taught. And it's just they're a lost cause. Luckily, there's people that are able to wake up and, you know, they're starting to piece together other parts of the puzzle.

[B]

But it's a minority, though.

[A]

Yeah, it's just. I mean, I'm sure you've seen it too. There's just so many people who don't have critical thinking, no abilities. They're not able to piece together certain things that happen through history or look at the bigger picture. It's like they are told one thing and they just believe it, regardless what they see in front of them.

[B]

Agreed. That's why I'm careful with labels. Like, I don't even label myself a Republican or conservative or anything, even though I align with those values. Because then you start boxing in your ideologies.

[A]

I'm the same exact way.

[B]

Yeah. You got to be objective.

[A]

People are always like, call me like a liberal. Or sometimes they even say I'm left, I'm right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then I also, I just usually reply to them. I'm like, if you still believe in the left versus the right, you're a loss. It's not the left versus the right. It's used to cause division among the people for a greater picture that's at play. Yeah, it's exactly like what you're talking about. Put you into a box of certain beliefs where you should just be able to look at the big picture and do what's morally right. Like, we all probably know what the right thing to do is, but yet we have all this division amongst us, whether it's racial, political, religious. There's all these divides among the people. And obviously you can see it in the news and social media all the time.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Especially with this ice shooting. Oh, my God. And no matter what evidence is prevented, one way, the sides are going to be the sides because politics is a sport. Like, no matter what evidence. I felt like it was pretty clear evidence on how it went down. But both sides still are so set in their opinions, for sure. You know what I mean? It doesn't matter.

[A]

And one thing that's been very interesting that I noticed, like, fitness content was a little toxic from time to time. If you had a super supportive fan base of someone you're calling out or exposing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I always knew politics, religious type of beliefs are going to cause the most controversy between people, but I didn't realize how toxic the political scene is. Yeah, it's bad when you take a stance on something. Oh, my. I have never seen this level of, like, not only delusion in people, but people that are just so hostile over something that they believe, whether it's true or not.

[B]

Dude, even I get death threats every day. You know what I mean? It's nuts. I'm sure you never got that in the fitness space.

[A]

No, no. You know, in fact, I'm trying to think if I ever had, if it was, it was probably a joke, the fact that you have nothing I was ever worried about.

[B]

Yeah. Now you're probably getting them daily, right?

[A]

Oh, yeah, all the time. Like it Got to the point where, I mean I get so many messages that I don't really check it too often. There's times I'll, you know, maybe scroll through, see if I see like any names I recognize.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Kind of see what they're talking about and stuff. But then also for entertainment too. Sometimes I think it's funny.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We'll see how mean they can get or what they write or what they believe. And that. That part is actually pretty entertaining. I do.

[B]

Yeah. When you're reacting emotionally that you just say the craziest shit.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think you know too the longer you've been doing it, the more you kind of realize what to react to, what not to like. People are always trying to get a reaction out of you. I don't think some people might not even believe what they send to you or message you. They just want to see what type of reaction they get.

[B]

100. I don't think I've actually ever responded to a hater, which is pretty crazy to say. But even whether it's a message or a comment, I've. I just don't pay it any attention.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I get so many dude.

[A]

Because I mean really, at the end of the day what's their biggest goal? Obviously they just want your attention to react back to them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's really why they're sending it easily. You know, Think I hope they don't believe that. They think that their message is going to sway your way. They might to be honest some of

[B]

these libtards or whatever. But yeah, I think that's why like they hate my guests because they know I won't even respond. Like I get hit with the seven thousand dollar comment all the time.

[A]

Seeing for your platform. I don't think they should hate on you for hosting who you do because it gives multiple sides.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Of people being able to come on and talk and then you actually get to know what those individuals believe and what they're working towards. So I always am a firm believer in. People will usually display their own colors or their own intentions just through talking. The longer you can get someone to talk they'll usually either slip up. Especially if they're lying in the way their stories are.

[B]

That's why Kamala didn't go on podcasts when she was running.

[A]

Right. It's usually because they're going to be untruthful in some way and they're going to slip up and then people are going to catch that because it's a long duration of talking and then you'll Notice if they catch themselves slipping up, they'll go down like a deeper rabbit hole, like, trying to undo that lie or whatever they were just talking about.

[B]

And she just bought an eight million dollar house yesterday.

[A]

Really?

[B]

That's weird. Yeah.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

I think it was in Cali or something. Yeah. Where'd she get that money? I don't know. Gavin's got a 8 or 9 million dollar house too, I believe.

[A]

Speaking of Cali, too. Oh, my. I could never live in Cali. I was just. I tried, like I said, For LA FIT Expo, L.A. just not it. I tried why people would live there. You were there.

[B]

I was there before Vegas. Hated it.

[A]

That was even. What year was that?

[B]

That was during the pandemic. 2019, I think. I lost it for four months. Oh, my God. Worst four months of my life. I could barely sleep because I didn't feel safe there. Right. Yeah. I was in Woodland Hills, which isn't even like a bad area, but I was getting stocked. My car got broken into. My. My dogs were always barking because there was just bad energy there, dude. Right. Terrible energy.

[A]

I just.

[B]

Demonic. Demonic energy. I don't know if you believe in that, but. Yeah, it was rough, bro. It was rough. I'll say that.

[A]

The Synagogue of Satan. That's what people are saying.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, I'm not saying it. So, you know, don't cancel me on social media.

[B]

Straight demons out there. I mean, even watching that award show the other night, I'm like, these people are just wild.

[A]

To me, that's the other thing too, is they'll usually blatantly put it in your face almost as a mess. They want people to know, but they're not going to outwardly say it's almost like a puzzle.

[B]

I think it's karmic law, you know,

[A]

for instance, like, all the references to pizza.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And everything. And all the things that they say during these award shows. And then of course, the whole Epstein situation, which has just been the biggest nightmare. And that's why people who still support Trump, too. I'm like, are you actually retarded? Are you actually. I mean, I'm sure I'm gonna get a lot of hate for saying this, but into, like, how close he was to Epstein. How much is redacted information within the list? I don't know if you actually went and, like, did a deep dive into the files that have been released thus far. Weren't they all redacted black boxes? Yeah, they basically blocked out everything. But you know that Trump's obviously in there a heavy amount and then all the things he's doing recently while in the presidential seat, it just screams to me, like, how do you support that? I don't get how someone could be so brainwashed. Just admit you're wrong in your party and your beliefs that you believed in a guy. Because I'll be honest, like, I thought Trump was going to have the best interest of America at heart until he got into, you know, actually being the president once again. So I didn't vote. But I did want Trump to win over Kamala.

[B]

Same, I still do feel, which is crazy to say that he was the better option over Kamala.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Just in terms of like, free speech and like quality of life. But we'll see how the rest of his term plays out. I know he's been doing some wild.

[A]

I don't think. I mean, obviously it doesn't have the American best interest at heart.

[B]

Yeah. But neither did she, probably. I didn't look into who funded her.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

I feel like out of the two

[A]

options, he was slightly same with like Biden. And that's why I always jump back. I mean, probably our last real president, JFK people. Probably jfk. Yeah. To be honest. I mean, Nixon was good jfk. Woodrow Wilson is definitely the one who us over Woodrow. Yeah, that guy. A lot of you that are watching probably know why.

[B]

I actually don't know.

[A]

What's he part of the Federal Reserve. He's the one that signed the Federal Reserve.

[B]

I think I did hear that. Got it.

[A]

Yeah. So he's who started the Snowball Effect. And of course, we ended up in World War I, then shortly after World War II, and unfortunately, what I believe, we are on the wrong side.

[B]

It's crazy when you look into all these wars and like, how they're orchestrated.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And how deep that rabbit hole goes.

[A]

Because what people, I assume, probably know, they're watching. War is the most profitable business in the world. Right. Next to probably like Big Pharma would be my guess.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But wars, you know, it's insanely profitable. They want wars to be happening because the revenue just through the roof. So to keep a war not only going currently, but then even after the fact, you're still getting paid for, for instance, World War II. A certain group of people is still making an insane amount of money off of World War II. That ended a very long time.

[B]

Still getting reparations.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I didn't know that, actually.

[A]

So. And then when you look into 1930s, like what happened in Germany, for instance, to modern day America, it's damn near identical to what we're experiencing. The poverty level, people not being able to afford anything, the unemployment, the division among the people, the adult industry, like how rampant the LGBTQ community is. It's almost identical. Just obviously different time frame. You know, 1930s versus 2026. Yeah. But those key topics. Almost identical. And then you can kind of see why Germany made the decisions they did.

[B]

I also do see that time frame. Yeah. I also do see people comparing ICE to the Nazis right now.

[A]

Seeing that I have a very, like, probably over the top viewpoint, kind of similar to Jake, you know.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So Nazis, obviously was a derogatory term created by the. For the National Socialists, but really they just want to fight communism within Europe. Or Bolshevism, Marxism, which was created by, once again, a certain group of tiny hats over 85 of the founding party. But yeah, and then they. They say it was this hate crime, but history is always written by the victors, so people didn't get to see the actual data and things that transpired or led to certain events. Of course, I talk about this a lot on my social media, hence why the censorship tends to happen. And that's why I won't want to jump into it too much on your podcast, because I want you to be.

[B]

Well, no, it's a valid point because.

[A]

Regulated.

[B]

When you hear the N word, Nazi or whatever, people have such a negative, like, association with it. Right. So me even just saying it like I'm picturing, like, bad stuff because I've been so programmed through public education. Right. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah. Because it was technically just a derogatory term that was created by the. For the National Socialist. So. And then obviously with theirs, they wanted to fight communism, which is essentially, the government has control of anything and everything. Basically all your property, your belongings, essentially you as a person. And then the National Socialist just wanted you have your property, but you do your part for the greater good of the country. Basically, you pull your way. And that's why, you know, when Hitler came to power in 1933, he overturned the poverty level from. Or, sorry, the unemployment from 50 to less than 2%.

[B]

Holy years.

[A]

Yeah, that's actually nuts. Their economy was essentially flatlined. Their currency was worthless. At that point, they were one of the lowest ranked countries in the world. He comes to power, removes, of course, the banking system, starts a new currency, removes a lot of the influence of a certain group, and then within a few short years, they were number one in the world for their economy. Yeah. So became a powerhouse. Extremely Fast. And they demon way faster than what people probably would have ever thought possible.

[B]

Yeah. And they demonized him.

[A]

Right, right. Then because of that, then what do you have to do? Because they're doing so well, you have to rally other big powers to combat that power.

[B]

Holy shit. That's nuts. That is fucking crazy, actually.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's the real history right there, guys.

[A]

I mean, I'm sure you probably heard like the book burnings and stuff.

[B]

Heard that.

[A]

Yeah. And I mean, I'm. I'm sure people that have been browsing on social media and stuff have had that type of stuff pop up. But there's just so much misinformation out there. And what I realized too is the curriculum and everything that we were taught in America. It's almost like a bubble because if you go outside the U. S. A lot of people know this information about that group of people over in the middle East.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

You know, it's more widely taught, the actual truth of what transpired and happened versus here in America. We're taught one story.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And one way of thinking.

[B]

Well, they make the textbooks.

[A]

Exactly. Yeah. The curriculum was all written.

[B]

I've looked into that rabbit hole. Yeah. What's the company that makes all the textbooks called? I forget the name.

[A]

Yeah. I'm drawing a blank on the name. But then it's like they even, you know, the Schofield Bible, that's another one. Then you get into the, you know, of course, like we're talking about with Epstein, the blackmail operations for politicians. And then JFK being the last, you know, authentic good interest president. What I believe for America, what he was doing towards the end of his life before the assassination. And it's like all arrows point in one direction. And the people that can't properly do the pattern recognition is what just drives me crazy.

[B]

Do you see history sort of repeating itself in a way? Because now communism spreading to the west, they're saying.

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

Socialism, like. Do you see that becoming a main issue in our lifetime?

[A]

Yeah, for sure. I'm a firm believer in that. History repeats itself. And that's why I think too the Germany situation back in 1930s versus what we're experiencing now and it being so identical, eventually it's going to reach a breaking point or that boiling point where enough's enough and then people have just had enough.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, they can't afford anything, they don't have jobs. So what do they have at that point? All they have is their frustration with the life they're living and the opportunities they have. So Then that's what unites people to make a change. Which is wild too, because when you think about the Revolutionary War, we have no backbone anymore as Americans. We revolted over a tea tax.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, there's a simple tea tax. We're like, no, this. We gotta have a war over this. We're gonna get this country, you know, separate ourselves from Britain. And then now think of how much we have to deal with. The taxation on everything, how expensive everything is, all the loopholes and everything you need to jump through. And no one revolts. We don't do anything. We just accept it for what it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I just think that's the level of, like, the cultural and ideological subversion level that we've gotten to, where everything is so brainwashed and diluted that that's just become the norm. We're in like that final stage of the cultural subversion, which is just normalization. We just become normal to be this up.

[B]

We're like sheep. Yeah. I mean, we're paying almost 50 tax here.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And people aren't. Well, this year I saw some people questioning it, but for the most part, not really.

[A]

And we'll see. I know, Obviously, I saw the whole movement that people are gonna attack. Yeah. Not pay their taxes.

[B]

I'm still paying mine.

[A]

To be honest, I don't think anyone's gonna actually do.

[B]

Dude, I don't want to get.

[A]

Everyone's gonna say they are, but there's no way anyone.

[B]

Dude, I don't want to get audited. I don't want to go to jail. Like, you could go to jail.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For not paying taxes. It's pretty crazy. Crazy.

[A]

And if not that, you're just going to get fined way more than what you would have been paid in taxes. And if you don't pay that yet, you're doing.

[B]

Yeah. The penalties. Yeah. I didn't see the risk to reward there on that one.

[A]

With the totalitarian dictatorship, you're gonna have ICE showing up at your door even if you're not Mexican.

[B]

I haven't seen them in Vegas. Have you seen them?

[A]

I haven't seen them personally, no. Not out here in Vegas.

[B]

Yeah. I'm pretty surprised.

[A]

And while I was out in la, didn't notice anything. It would be kind of an interesting scenario, though, to see them out walking around. My weird part is it's like, why are they all wearing masks? Why are they.

[B]

They don't want their, I think, their personal identity. Yeah. Like, there's a whole group of women right now dating ICE officers. And doxing them. I don't know if you've seen that.

[A]

Really.

[B]

It's viral on Tick Tock. Yeah. So they're going on dates with these ICE officers and then recording them and then revealing their personal name online.

[A]

How do they know they're going to be ICE officers? Or do they just kind of.

[B]

I guess they figure it out somehow before. Whether it's like their link. Maybe it's on their LinkedIn or something. I'm not sure. It's. It's pretty weird. I'm not a fan of doxing and swatting and all that.

[A]

Me either. I mean, I do think it's weird that they have to hide their identity. Like if you're gonna do a job.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you like you signed up for that job. Well, here's the flat back that comes with that job.

[B]

Yeah. So. So agreed with that. But here's the crazy part because I was in the lifetime sauna and I ran into a nice ICE officer there. He said he was in the dea. And because they're recruiting so heavy right now, ice, they're recruiting FBI DEA officers and all you need to do is take like he said, 30 minute class really, and you can get become an ICE officer. And so a lot of these officers weren't even supposed to be ICE officers basically. Damn. Yeah. They're just trying to recruit heavy right now. And he's. He said after a few missions he couldn't take it. He had to quit.

[A]

I wonder what the pay is too.

[B]

It's not a lot.

[A]

The incentive.

[B]

I've heard 50k, but I don't know. Don't quote me on that. Right. It wasn't that much. But any, any government job, you have good benefits. But still, dude, 50k for that? Nah, that.

[A]

I mean of course I believe that we should uphold our borders and illegal immigrants are a problem. But there is a correct way to deal with it. And obviously it's leading to a bunch of altercations and conflicts. I mean even just in the last two weeks, like there's been multiple. Yeah.

[B]

A couple people have died now happening.

[A]

And then it's working its way where it's just going to keep getting more and more severe. But because of the way things are changing, where there's a better way to do things. And that's why I think the bigger player, the bigger picture is it's going to be a full like country military takeover.

[B]

That'd be nuts. I mean they've already done in certain cities. Right. Brought in Portland, D.C. portland. They tried doing it in Cali. I believe in one of the cities. I remember Newsom gotten a back and forth with Trump over that. It's crazy. Obama deported way more people than Trump. Did you see that?

[A]

I haven't seen, like, what the numbers were.

[B]

I don't know the exact numbers, but it was way more apparently, which is

[A]

so, like, there's a way to. And I just feel it's wasted energy resources. And then it makes Trump look bad. Where I feel if I was Trump, I'd be wanting to do everything right now in my power to reverse the way everyone's kind of viewing me, especially with the whole Epstein list.

[B]

That's what he's trying to do.

[A]

You should be trying to be like America first, but not step on people's toes and not cause all this division and conflict among the people and actually try and unite the people. But obviously there's bigger people pulling the strings.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I wonder how much control he actually has.

[A]

Probably not much because I said this on Jake Shield's podcast, is what people need to realize, like with the presidential or even maybe not as much political seats, regardless if it's APAC funded or not. But more specifically with the presidential seat is they're just a puppet for the bigger power app.

[B]

That's what I think.

[A]

They're just the spokesperson that goes up that makes the, you know, speech and everything in front of the camera addressing the nation. But there's people that are telling them what to say and what to do easily.

[B]

Have you looked into Obama's birth certificate?

[A]

I like the whole one with Michelle Obama, the conspiracy with that.

[B]

I haven't seen that one.

[A]

His buddy Michael. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen that one.

[B]

Yeah. No, but his birth certificate one is wild. Dude, that shit's fake. I think.

[A]

I'm pretty sure I've heard it, isn't it? Like, you'll have to refresh me on.

[B]

So there was a whole thing of, like, where the did this guy come from? Basically, because he kind of came out of nowhere in 08, like, literally out of nowhere. And then they uploaded his birth certificate on some government site, someone extracted it, put it in his Photoshop, and apparently as soon as you do that, you can drag it and it's like someone else's name and.

[A]

Oh, I do remember seeing something.

[B]

Yeah. So they use like, a template and allegedly just change the. The name and shit.

[A]

Which honestly wouldn't surprise me, which is crazy to say that our president or former president could have been in that type of situation to get into office. Well, I think it doesn't surprise me. Which is the most up part.

[B]

That, that's crazy. Yeah. I think a lot of politicians are groomed though, for sure. You know, I, I think people are just surprised it could get to the presidential level like that. Like Obama.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But it definitely happens all the time. Well, shit, dude, you're about to debate this guy. What do you. What's your game plan going into this debate with Brian here? Have you seen his content before?

[A]

I did like a quick glance through because I wasn't too sure on his content. I hadn't seen it pop up before.

[B]

He's debated Myron, he's debated Alex Stein, he's got, he's debated RFK Vivek.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, he's went against some pretty big people.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How did he do in those ones?

[B]

I didn't watch all of them. I think the one against Myron, it was at Tim Pool's event in person. He did all right. Myron's pretty good opponent. Yeah, it's hard to beat Myron.

[A]

I feel like there's some good stances for sure. Seen his content pop up quite a bit. I feel like he's dealt with some censorship as well.

[B]

Oh yeah, they got demonetized on YouTube when they were making 100k a month. Like, imagine losing a million dollar a year revenue stream overnight. That sucks, dude. But he's actually. I feel like he's bigger than he ever was now because of live streaming.

[A]

Right? Wait, what streaming platform is he on?

[B]

He's on party, he's on kick. I think he's back on YouTube, but I don't know if he's monetized and I feel like I just see him everywhere now. I feel like Myron's got a lot of momentum behind him right now.

[A]

So I've seen a lot of clips of his pop up because I've been more so divulged in the short form content.

[B]

Same here. That's the future.

[A]

With the amount of time I have and stuff, it's hard to whip on like a full podcast or I think

[B]

the future, I think the podcast market share is going to go towards clips because the younger generation just doesn't have the attention span, you know what I mean? Like even me, I listen to books and pods on 2x because I just don't have the attention span. I feel it, you know, 1x. I'm like distracted.

[A]

Like this is way too like short, slow paced. I'm distracted. I'm on to the next thing 100%.

[B]

But dude, this was great. Where could People find you and find your show.

[A]

That's a good question. Where are you not stays up. I think X right now my handle is like, Kenny cancelled with a K. Instagram. I made a new one kind of as a joke because it'll probably go down again, but it was gentile goys.

[B]

Okay. Will link it all.

[A]

Fitting. And then. Yeah, Facebook somehow has stayed up. I don't know how. Even though it's obviously still meta. Instagram has a problem with the content. I upload Facebook for some reason.

[B]

I think more people report you on Instagram.

[A]

You think that's what it is?

[B]

I think, like, how do you even report someone on Facebook? I don't know. I feel like on Instagram it's so easy and like, also it's a younger demo, so it could be that true. They're more tech savvy. Facebook are boomers.

[A]

Yeah, could be very well. But yeah. So, I mean, probably Kenny Ko. Easiest way to find me if you just search. I just start like discords, telegram groups and stuff. Just because of the censorship.

[B]

Backups. Yeah. Cool. We'll link it all below. Brother.

[A]

Thanks for coming on. Yeah, of course. Thank you for having me.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

My man. Thank you, bro.

[B]

Peace. Thanks for staying all the way to the end, guys. It means a lot to me. If you could please leave a review on Apple that helps us climb the charts, it helps us get way more guests and Apple helps us continue growing the podcast and the team. So it would mean a lot to me if you left a review on Apple or wherever else you're listening. Thanks so much.