Why MRIs Are Misleading You | Dr. Mike Wasilisin | DSH #1880

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Episode: Why MRIs Are Misleading You | Dr. Mike Wasilisin | DSH #1880
Date: March 23, 2026
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Dr. Mike Wasilisin (MoveU founder, chiropractor, biomechanics expert)

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Main Theme

This episode dives into the limitations and pitfalls of common diagnostics—especially MRIs—in back pain and musculoskeletal treatment. Dr. Mike Wasilisin argues that the medical system over-relies on imaging and surgery, missing the true causes of chronic pain, which are often rooted in movement patterns and misalignments. The conversation is candid, energetic, and challenges much of the conventional wisdom around pain management.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Pain as a Signal, Not a Sentence

• Pain is a message: Dr. Mike sees pain as a signal indicating imbalance or misaligned pressure in the body, not merely a negative outcome.
• Quote:

  "It's my duty to help people realize that pain is a signal and nothing else." — Dr. Mike (00:19, 19:22)

2. Common Postural Patterns and Misalignments

• The Five Patterns: Dr. Mike condenses years of clinical experience into five main misaligned movement patterns:
  • Rounding/flexion (slouching)
  • Uneven hips
  • Uneven shoulders/spinal tilt
  • Winging shoulder blades ("kyphosis")
  • Forward head posture
• Personalization: Most people have one main pattern that stands out; correcting it is key (02:03).
• Simple Solutions:

  "We measure that and then you simply inverse the pattern. That's it." — Dr. Mike (02:27)

3. The Body as a Self-Healing Organism

• Redistributing Force: By balancing movement and realigning joints, the body can heal itself quickly—even after years of pain (01:17, 04:04).
• Real-life Case: Dr. Mike’s client Christy, bedridden from spinal stenosis, was able to perform deadlifts and squats within two weeks of movement correction (04:03).

4. The Limitations and Misuse of MRIs

• Overused and Misleading: MRIs find abnormalities in people without symptoms, fueling unnecessary fear and leading to often unnecessary surgeries (12:23).

• Quote:

  "The medical system, they don't look at movement... They just go MRI says this, this, this... 80 to 97% of [pain-free people] have diagnoses, but no pain." — Dr. Mike (12:54)

• MRIs as a 'Gateway Drug': The healthcare system uses MRIs to induct patients into costly lifelong interventions (13:39, 17:58).

• Quote:

  "It is the gateway drug... Medical systems. Gateway drug to link you into the system." — Dr. Mike (13:41)

5. Problems with Surgical Approaches (e.g., Fusions)

• Band-Aid, Not Solution: Fusions and surgeries often fix symptoms, not root causes, accelerating other breakdowns (15:39).
• Wear and Tear Shifts Upward: Fusing vertebrae just shifts the problem up, leading to further degeneration (16:00).
• 20% Recurrence Rate: Up to 20% of discectomy (herniation surgery) patients have recurrence within a year (17:03).

6. The Real “Biomechanics Revolution”

• Movement, Not Medicine: Real solution is assessing and correcting movement—rarely taught in PT or chiropractic schools (14:22).
• Empowerment: Dr. Mike’s philosophy centers on teaching people corrective movement skills so they can self-manage and progress, not depend on passive care (21:08).
• Quote:

  "You need some skills... that you like connect with your mind. I need that. You go, 'Oh, I got that.'" — Dr. Mike (21:21)

7. Tall People, Desk Life, and Plane Travel

• Furniture Isn't Built for You: If you’re tall, everyday furniture and environments create extra challenges for posture (06:16).
• Practical Travel Tips: Dr. Mike outlines essential tools for surviving long flights—seat cushions, pelvic supports, and armrest covers—to reduce back strain (09:58–12:03).

8. Mindset: Growth Over Fear

• Fear and Avoidance Trap: The medical industry capitalizes on fear and avoidance; Dr. Mike encourages learning from pain instead (20:34).
• Quote:

  "It's a growth mindset to understanding your own body, not just one of fear and avoidance." — Dr. Mike (20:34)

9. Critique of Healthcare Industry

• Profit Motive: The system profits from lifelong “customers” rather than real cures (17:45–18:14).
• Value of Movement Education: Dr. Mike believes if his methods scaled, they'd threaten the standard healthcare business model (18:31).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Dr. Mike’s MRI accuracy challenge:

  "I'll look at your body movement and I will predict what your MRI says." — Dr. Mike (00:16, 12:42)

• On the financial model of medicine:

  "That client is worth 800,000 to $1.3 million to the health care insurance for the lifetime of your back." — Dr. Mike (18:14)

• On teaching for independence:

  "Adjustments can be nice little things to get you some quick movement and some quick relief, but it won't... It's like holding an ice cube. It just melts and you go, now what?" — Dr. Mike (21:08)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:00–04:03] – How postural patterns cause pain and how body alignment enables fast recovery
• [04:03–05:16] – Case study: Christy's rapid transformation with movement correction
• [06:16–07:49] – Challenges taller people face & tips for adapting posture
• [09:58–12:03] – Dr. Mike’s travel kit for surviving economy flights
• [12:23–14:22] – MRI critique and why clinical movement assessment matters more
• [15:39–17:18] – Why spine fusions often fail; surgical pitfalls explained
• [17:45–18:31] – Healthcare system incentives and the profit over cure paradigm
• [20:34–21:08] – Growth mindset, not fear, is key to pain recovery

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Tone & Takeaways

Bold, energetic, and empowering, this episode flips the script: pain is a teacher, MRIs often misguide, and surgery should be a last resort. Dr. Mike’s approach arms you with hope and practical tools, prioritizing movement, awareness, and self-responsibility over passive reliance on the healthcare system.

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Stay tuned for part two, in which Dr. Mike promises hands-on movement demonstrations for lasting change.

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Transcript

[A]

Redistribute the force so that the forces are balanced and centered. And when they're centered, your body. Our bodies are self healing organisms. I can look at somebody's body mechanics and their age and I can accurately predict with statistical probability what the MRI is going. You know what we can do when we're done?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'll look at your body movement and I will predict what your MRI says.

[B]

No way.

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It's my duty to help people realize that pain is a signal and nothing else.

[B]

Okay, guys. Dr. Mike from Move. You not even gonna try the last name?

[A]

Oh, you were close.

[B]

Wasilin, wasn't it?

[A]

You were closer.

[B]

Maybe I should have tried out.

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Was a listen. Was a listen like Mississippi.

[B]

Yeah, that's one of. One of a kind.

[A]

Yeah, I know.

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Wasilica.

[A]

I guess it got changed to customs. It was like Wasaluski or something.

[B]

Yeah, that's a long.

[A]

My family like.

[B]

Yeah, whatever.

[A]

We'll take it, I guess.

[B]

Well, welcome to Vegas, man.

[A]

Dude, thanks man.

[B]

Helping people with their. Yeah, of course.

[A]

Met you one time before and want to spend the whole time helping you fix your shit.

[B]

I'm fucked up.

[A]

I got you. You're young enough to actually make real changes now.

[B]

Wow. Yeah. I live.

[A]

I lived on a farm before and I always had the best time to plant a tree is 10 years ago.

[B]

Yeah, I've heard that one.

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And for you, right now, it's right now.

[B]

You think I can still make some change?

[A]

Dude, you can transform your life in 90 days.

[B]

Really?

[A]

In two weeks? Damn.

[B]

I'm. I'm almost. I don't want to self diagnose, but I feel like I'm almost at that chronic pain level lately.

[A]

Yeah, well, it statistically will get worse if. If you keep doing what you're doing. If it is like. Even if it stays the way it is, your body. Our bodies tend to fall in about five misaligned patterns. They fall into too much rounding inflection. That's one for you. Yeah, they fall into a pattern of uneven hips. Uneven shoulders in the spine does something called scolios. As a result of that, a neo buckle and an ankle will go in and it'll drop a hip down. Another contributor of scoliosis, because when the hip drops down, the spine's got to go the other way.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

The shoulder blade tilts forward, takes the back with it and that's called winging shoulder blade kyphosis. And then you have a forward head position. But we've. Our bodies tend to fall and it's taken me so like to, to really simplify to this, our B.O. now we can carry all five of these, but some people, most people have one that really stands out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then we measure that and then you just simply inverse the pattern. That's it.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

If your body falls into flexion, then there's pieces of this. Your chest needs to tilt this way, your pelvis, the breath, like we simply inverse it. And now what it does is it redistributes the force because it's not like your back hurts, because your back hurts. Because you have uneven pressure distribution. You have like some of your pressure might be jamming just on your back right joint and then on the disc above it, just on the front left of the disc. It's like it's hitting the same wound every time. We have to just redistribute the force so the forces are balanced and centered. And, and when they're centered, your body, our bodies are self healing organisms. Like if you herniate disc, your body's trying to lay down a dam right now to keep it from getting worse. But if you keep jamming into it, the dam can't be built. Yeah, your body's like, what the hell, I'm trying, but you're blowing the water out the other side. So when you realign and recenter these joints, your body heals itself. And that is also your strongest position. And so that's ultimately what we would do is take a look at just some simple movement patterns, help you see it understand why your arthritis is there. Yeah, your arthritis, your disc, that is just the result of something that's not the cause. The medical system thinks it's the cause. It's just not bad luck or bad genes. It's years of improper pressure distribution into these different areas. And when you can get that pressure off of that point and center yourself, it heals. I mean, I'm talking within, sometimes within a week. Two weeks.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

My girl Christy. Shout out to Christy, one of my favorites, spinal stenosis. She stands pain down both legs, rounds forward through here, disc pain down the legs. And she's pretty much bedridden in two weeks. She's doing deadlifts, hip hinges, squats. What pain for two weeks? And she let this go for 20 more years than you.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It's unbelievable how fast you heal and how much and how much stronger you get just by properly positioning your body. It blows me away how fast it is.

[B]

That's exciting because I've had scoliosis my whole life.

[A]

Sure. You know, we have to look at why it's there. Is it from one ankle that rolls in and a knee that goes in that can cause the whole thing? Sometimes one leg shorter that caused all scoliosis. Is it? But even regardless of that, we just figure out which one of those five will help you make the biggest impact on it and improve it. And I've spent 25 years simplifying this into the most simple words I can. Shift, tilt, turn. I've got it down to those simple words now. And so like I'm trying to make as fast and as simple as possible, but that's something that we. I'm committed to helping you if you're committed to improving.

[B]

I am.

[A]

Awesome.

[B]

Yeah. Because it's affecting my livelihood at this point.

[A]

It is, huh?

[B]

You know, I'm waking up with wicked pain.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It could be my sleep posture too.

[A]

I think that wouldn't be a cause.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It doesn't necessarily help.

[B]

Yeah. Where do you feel it mostly right now?

[A]

Let me think about it.

[B]

I'm so used to the pain. Back. It's definitely back. Yeah. Sometimes it's upper, sometimes it's lower, sometimes it's neck. Yeah. Yeah. The curve is near the top. My scoliosis is to the left top of my spine.

[A]

So you're. You're six foot seven?

[B]

Six. Six. Yeah.

[A]

Let me ask you, how do you feel about being tall?

[B]

I love it. Good.

[A]

Okay. That's great to hear. Because some people get this psychological stuff that they feel they're too tall and then they'll then.

[B]

Really? Oh, yeah. I didn't know that.

[A]

Oh, they're hunched down. Poor confidence.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Steam. And so like to help get in position. But if they don't love it.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I do slouch.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

I've slouched my whole life.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like in public school, I was the biggest sloucher. I was the shortest kid in class when we sat down, actually.

[A]

Well, you know what happens is, is the whole world is built for. For a five foot eight individual. Five, eight, Pretty much everything. And so we're. I'm six four, you're six six. And so it's not that everything's built for smaller people. It doesn't mean that we have to succumb to those. We just have to be aware of how we need to move and adjust our bodies based on our height. And also these things that we're sitting and moving on and these low hanging doorways and watch out for that ceiling fan.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And so that's great if you love being tall because you're Gonna gain another inch.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Oh, for sure you'll gain one more inch.

[B]

I would love to be six.

[A]

We've measured it before, people. I got, I've had a kid recently, he had flat feet and we measured him as paranoid. He gained one inch by lifting his arch up.

[B]

What?

[A]

He's like 13. You know, it's funny, his kid's 13 years old, right? Hot and he has no pain, but his feet collapsing, his knees collapsing, he's like, ACL risk, MCL risk. How do you convince a 13 year old? I'm like, in 20 years, I'm like, that ain't gonna work, you'll be faster. He's like, I literally went through the whole bag of trips in there. Like number 18. I said, you'll be taller. And his dad is like, he grabbed that one. That's the one that makes sense.

[B]

Yeah, that's the one that does make a lot of sense.

[A]

I go, all right, all right. So yeah, the world's not built it's challenge. It's more challenging for us because it's not built for us. But we. It's not an excuse to succumb to it. We have to be in control and aware of our body position so that we can make the best out of those. The way the world was built. Because it's built for smaller people.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I mean you've seen thousands of people. Or do taller people have more issues? For the most part,

[A]

I don't know if I've ever. I don't know if I've ever come to that conclusion.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I really don't know if I never thought about that. To taller people. More issues.

[B]

I hear a lot of tall people

[A]

complain about back pain and usually I would be statistically. And I always play with statistical probability. My premise of what I do is built off of a. It's from the Prague school of rehab and it's a term that was phrased called joint, which means optimal position of a joint. Meaning like whenever you're back, the weight should be distributed between your joints and your disc, front to back, side to side. And, and the weight in your knee, like when you stand, the pressure should be on your knee. And so I look at the body and that we would generally call that biomechanics, meaning like your body is designed from the factory and we're all about 90 some percent the same by the way. Everyone thinks they're so different. Not really different. Your body from the factory is designed like your vertebra. Like for you particularly, like your vertebra are Actually in. The discs are actually fatter in the front than the back to give you your natural curve. So your body's, like, designed to have a natural curve in the back, but when you slouch over time, it starts. You're actually pushing into the structures in a way they weren't designed. And it'll cause the disc to wear off first, just like it'll wear the inside of a car tire out because it's out of balance. And so everything I do is built on the laws of biomechanics. And the point is, when somebody's tall, if we know that the average kitchen counter height is made for somebody five foot nine, that person either knows how to hip hinge to go down, or they're just going to slouch into it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so those people taller would definitely be more likely to carry more roundedness if they're not moving properly because they're improperly slouching down. Airplanes, airplanes. Airplane seats are too low for us. Our knees are up really high, and then they're up high, and it forces us into this more rounded position.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are the worst.

[A]

Flying can be the worst.

[B]

What's your strategy? What's your strategy? Say you're flying economy. What's. What's the right approach?

[A]

Okay, good question. What I travel with. Katie always lasts. My wife travels. She's laughing over there because I literally travel.

[B]

Oh, God.

[A]

Like, with this whole kit. She's always so embarrassed because I, like, whip it out on the plane. I hold up everybody. So, number one, I put a thin cushion down. The seat cushions, first of all, they're hard, and they're like that plastic. So if somebody pukes or shits on the seats, you know, they can wipe it off easy. But you slip forward on those seats. So I bring, like a. I bring, like, a thin cushion to put on the seat. And number two, just like these anthros chairs that we're in, by the way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Best chair on planet. You're welcome to the free plug. Anthros. The. The cushion is. And they have something on here called pelvic support, as you know. But I always bring something for. To place. To push my sacrum further forward. But the cushion under your butt, it actually should be a little closer to your knees, if you follow me. If you're sitting on an airplane chair, check this out. You're sitting on a plate. Your butt is trying to slide forward, but if you put a little wedge underneath your little cushion, it'll block the hips from sliding forward.

[B]

Got it? Okay.

[A]

Okay. With this pelvic support, like, those two are crucial. Then I have, like, these nice little cushions that go on the armrest. These are just little.

[B]

Oh, you're that guy.

[A]

These are little upgrades I use, but those two pieces are the most important for you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And for everybody.

[B]

Start bringing that.

[A]

Yep. Two pieces.

[B]

I have the seat one at my office chair, but I don't bring it on the plane.

[A]

Something thin, too.

[B]

I use the purple. Have you seen the purple one? The memory foam? It's not. It's not thin. So maybe I'm using the wrong one.

[A]

If you can. If you can carry it. Some of this is big. You know, I'm always dealing with, like, carry on. Limited space.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So thinner. But definitely. Sometimes I'll even put my. The neck rest cushion behind the neck.

[B]

The neck pillow.

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I use that for my pelvic support.

[B]

Alcohol.

[A]

Yeah. You know what I use for my butt? Underneath my butt, though? I use keyboard for. For a mouse. There's, like, the little wrist pads. There's a couple thicker ones. I use that one or anything.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Yeah. Real simple setup. I'll text you. I'll text you.

[B]

Yeah. Sweet dreams.

[A]

I'll help you get set up.

[B]

Please, I cannot sleep on planes. You will.

[A]

You will improve very quick. Nice. Yeah. I could see what's going on with you. I just need to. I need you to be able to see it. And then I'll help you understand why it's causing your pain. And you're going to feel hope.

[B]

I love that you're going to feel hope. Yeah. When I got my mri, I. I did not feel hope. So I need that. Need that.

[A]

And I don't even. You know, I've only sent two people for MRIs in 10 years.

[B]

You're not a fan of them? No.

[A]

It shows. It shows on everybody.

[B]

Shouldn't you know what you're working with, though?

[A]

I don't need to, because I can look at somebody's body mechanics in their age, and I can accurately predict with statistical probability what the MRI is going. You know, we can do. We're done.

[B]

Ye.

[A]

I'll look at your body movement and I will predict what your MRI says.

[B]

No way.

[A]

Yeah, I can do. With very high accuracy.

[B]

Wow, that's impressive.

[A]

So I think it often takes an unskilled clinician to need an mri.

[B]

That makes sense.

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The medical system, they don't look at movement.

[B]

Right.

[A]

They just go. MRI says this, this, this. Every area of the body, Sean. Every area of the body. Shoulder, back. You can find huge study out there that MRIs 500 people. 2000 people with no pain. None. Average 40 year old. 80 to 97% of them have diagnoses, but no pain. We all have things on there. It doesn't necessarily mean it's linked up with the pain you have. I have client recently, she had a whole disc surgery. Cut off her disc, did all this stuff. She stills pain. I go, yeah. Because the issue was never your disc. It was your si joint the whole time.

[B]

Wow.

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But the MRI said disc. They just cut the disc off.

[B]

Holy crap.

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So the MRI is only a part of it. And honestly, it's not. It's not even. It scares people more than anything.

[B]

It did scare me. I'm not gonna lie.

[A]

It is. It is the gateway drug. Medical systems. Gateway drug to link you into the system.

[B]

Yeah. That's concerning. And then they want to proceed with surgery.

[A]

Half the time that my medical doctor friend, Dr. Diane, she goes, the MRI is for the surgeon to know where to cut.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So if you don't plan on surgery, but it's like we want to. It's like the human issue. I want to know what it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'd be more interested with you going, what's causing my pain? The MRI cannot. The MRI is not an effective tool or a necessary tool to give you that answer. And I talk with neurosurgeons on this stuff. They. They also. This body. They're not trained with this stuff either.

[B]

Really.

[A]

They're impressed with it. They go, it makes sense. But they're not trained on that. And so this body, this body mechanics, biomechanics, like looking at how posture and movement. Cause it. It is a. It is a skill that truly most people. Most. It's not taught in PT schools. It's not taught in Cairo school.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

I know, man.

[B]

Super crazy.

[A]

It's not in there.

[B]

I know. That's your past life, the chiropractic work.

[A]

Yeah, it is. I'm still a. I guess I'm still a licensed chiropractor.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't need my. Every year I come down here and I go, I got 24 hours a year of CE. I go, I just got out of a class on how to do, like proper note taking. I go, I haven't taken a note in 10 years.

[B]

You don't need to. I does it for you.

[A]

I go, I don't. I haven't taken a note in 10 years.

[B]

I does it on your zoom calls now.

[A]

Yeah. Someone's in the back of the classroom just doing whatever.

[B]

Back. Yeah, just doing the Deed, do you know Ronnie Coleman is bodybuilder. Bodybuilder who cannot walk anymore.

[A]

It's sad to see what I. I've heard about this.

[B]

I want to connect you with him.

[A]

I can help him.

[B]

Yeah. He's in a wheelchair. He was Mr. Olympia, I believe, for like eight years. Some people consider him the goat of the sport. And since he retired, he can't even walk. A lot of fusions in the spine.

[A]

Fusions are tough. Yeah, they're an old school, old, old procedure that there's now disc replacements, facet replacements that allow you to keep your motion. Fusions just lock it in place. I go, if it's an apocalypse, I can make a fusion kit. Literally. It's like erector set bolts. And the problem with fusions is it bolts down an area of your spine. Two, vertebra, three. And now the reason that these people even needed to begin with is because their mechanics are so off. Maybe Ronnie, it was off 2% for 20 years. That's why I look with CrossFit, people. CrossFit hurts people. CrossFit will accelerate. It will, it will add force to this misaligned pattern. You haven't will accelerate what likely was going to come later. But then this fusion, like for Ronnie, for example, let's say it was disc. Or for you, if you ever had a fusion, your back, well, your back is. Is you flexing around into this position and it wears out the disc. So what they, the surgeons, basically, they don't know they're saying this, but they're like, you can't figure out how to hold your spine in the right position. So we're gonna bolt it in place for you. But you get out of surgery, you still move the same exact way you did before. But now you have two, three vertebra that are fused together. So now your body gets the segment above the blow blob. And that one has got to now go two times as hard as it was in the wrong position as it was before. That's why each one of those wear out. It's the truth.

[B]

Sounds awful.

[A]

I know. That's why these stats upward. 20% of people that have a disc herniation surgery, up to 20%. And some studies show that it comes back the same year.

[B]

Oh my gosh.

[A]

Because then the movement's not fixed.

[B]

Wow. You're not treating the cause. No.

[A]

You're just cutting the symptom off.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so I see it all the time. And then when you cut that symptom off, now you got a big gaping Hole because the bulge is actually part of the disc material. That kind of like makes like a. A. Like an outer bulge. And now they slice that whole thing off. So you basically have like an open wound and they try to put mesh and stuff in there. But now you have an open wound where the material can go out even. It's even weaker.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I know, man. That's. That's. That's what. I literally left the healthcare profession in 2017. I go, I can't even be in this.

[B]

I don't blame you.

[A]

I can't be in it. This whole system just pulls people in and, you know, they're trying to get the most amount of.

[B]

Trying to maximize.

[A]

Yeah, you got to get. You want repeat customers, right? You think they're trying to help people fix their.

[B]

Hell no.

[A]

Hell no. That's an average person. What I was reading with PPO insurance, you enter the healthcare system through the gateway drug, X ray, mri. Yeah, that's like get you in. That's like your first hit of weed. Well, I don't think weed's a gateway drug. It might be. I like thc, so I say it's not.

[B]

I'm a fan, but I could see the argument.

[A]

Yeah, but is like, that is worth. That client is worth 800,000 to $1.3 million to the health care insurance for the lifetime of your back. I could help you fix. I could help people fix their. For. You know, you go through the work at a fraction of that. It's not a good business model.

[B]

Yeah, no, you. You would. If you. If there were thousands of you, you would put them out of business, technically.

[A]

And that's what I was talking. This neurosurgeon really shout out to Dr. Jared A Met. Really big fan of this guy. He's like. He does these. I'm like, you really think we could work together?

[B]

Why?

[A]

So you can send me people and then now they don't need you anymore. How's this gonna work? Yeah, and he. He's giving me. He's like, no, I think you're gonna help me. The people. It definitely. It can't. It doesn't work for you. Then they're ready for this. And I go, all right, dude. Yeah, I was starting to like this guy. He's a good dude.

[B]

So he's actually sending you people.

[A]

I'll shoot you. You should listen to the podcast that I did with him. It was my best podcast.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, I just. I just launched a soft launch. I'll shoot over to you. Yeah, give it a listen, man.

[B]

Yeah. Where's he based out of?

[A]

He's up in LA.

[B]

Oh, okay. Your LA's got some good shows. What else we got here? Man? You are. I wish I had a full hour with you, man. I love your energy. Are you always this locked in?

[A]

Huh?

[B]

Are you always this locked in?

[A]

I'm just pumped, man. I just. I know I have a. I've developed a skill set and I truly was like given a gift I've had and I just go, I. It's my duty to help people realize that pain is a signal and nothing else. It's not bad, it's not a negative. It is a true signal and your body's telling you something needs to change and that people get a shot in their back. Your cortisone shot. Oh, I can't feel my body trying to talk to me anymore. So I'm going to go back to doing what I was doing before it caused my body to start talking to me and degenerate my body at a faster rate because I can't feel it anymore. Like these symptoms are really. They also tell you're alive. These are to be listed. These symptoms are to be listened to and understood. They're meant to teach you. Even my, even my clients that I work with, they have setbacks. They're sad at first. There's always a lesson in them. Yeah, I'm on Christy. She's all sad. Little setback. We look at it. She didn't put her warm up program and she did not have. She did not set her body in position for the day and she tried to do something their body wasn't ready for. Like there's the lesson. It's always, there's always a lesson in there. It's a growth mindset to understanding your own body.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Not just one of fear and avoidance.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

People in trouble.

[B]

Yeah. I can't be living in that mindset.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That's what they want you.

[A]

Are you feeling that mindset with your back?

[B]

Fear.

[A]

Fear.

[B]

Well, I'm, I'm aware of fear, so I try not to be, but maybe subconsciously. Yeah, I mean after that MRI definitely was a little on edge.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I know that's deep within my subconscious at this point, so. But this was great. Guys. Stay tuned for a part two. We're going to do it while we're. That's it getting adjusted or something. So stay tuned for that.

[A]

That's the least thing you need.

[B]

Yeah, I need some deeper than that.

[A]

Hell yeah. Some that you can learn on your own and you could practice this throughout the day. Adjustments can be nice little things to get you some quick movement and some quick relief, but it won't. It's like holding an ice cube. It just melts and you go, now what?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You need some skills that you like. Some skills that you like connect with your mind. I need that. You go, oh, I got that.

[B]

Yeah. In between episodes, if I could just. Oh, yeah, quick little thing.

[A]

And then you're like now one rung permanently up the ladder rather than worrying about falling off again.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Get you sure footing on each step.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

I got you, dude.

[B]

Thanks. Stay tuned, guys. We're going to do a part two.

[A]

Stay tuned.

[B]

Peace. Thanks for watching to the end, guys. Please comment below your thoughts on the episode if you agree. If you disagree, I'd love to hear. I read every single comment. Means a lot to me. Thank you so much.